SPOILER! Theory how Hope kills 1 million humans

[orkoni1]

My theory below may be how it is that Hope kills a million humans in the future.

IM SERIOUS! (I think I figured it out) IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO POSSIBLY BE SPOILED, DON’T READ!!!

Remember, if this is how it goes, it's almost a year or half b4 they get to this so it might ruin it for you now.

POSSIBLE SPOILER BELOW.





Well, I didn't want to post my theory b/c if I happen to be right, I might ruin the story for people, but hey I might have figured it out.

Hope "kills" a millions humans by MAKING them Mutants. They could have either been humans all their life and she makes them Mutant, or they were mutant before the Decimation and she reverses what Wanda did to them. Or she does both, she makes some "always" humans into mutants, and some "ex"mutants into mutants again.

I read somewhere that she's supposed to be tied to Jean and therefore the Phoenix Force.

And who or what has the power to reverse something that someone like what Wanda did? Phoenix!

I was thinking to myself "How would it be that she kills a million humans alone in little time?" Then I started thinking outside the box "Maybe she doesn't literally kill those million Humans, but rather changes them as though their humanity has been killed by being made Mutants --as an anti-mutant person would maybe say-- " Which steers me to believe that she might make people that were never mutants into mutants as well as make past mutants into mutants again or one or the other. And that's what Cable knows that Bishop doesn't b/c there wasn't enough historical lit that survives for him to realize that he just knows that this kid "kills" a million humans

And the detention camps begin b/c there's a mutant that can make other mutants, or that has stopped those against mutants in their tracks from exterminating the remaining one.


Now who Hope is I'm not sure, maybe Lady Askani??? That I'm not sure. Or maybe Jean incarnate? Who knows?

What do ya'll think???

Remember I posted this first!!! Better recognize!

I'm gonna read the whole series though even if I had figured it out, the art, the story telling : )

[Fatguy]

Honestly, I wanted to mock you before I read the spoilered stuff, but its actually not too bad a theory.

[orkoni1]

Honestly, I wanted to mock you before I read the spoilered stuff, but its actually not too bad a theory.

LOL I guess thats why it's taking ppl time to consider seeing my thread.

Thanks by the way :smile:

[Flâneur]

Honestly, I wanted to mock you before I read the spoilered stuff, but its actually not too bad a theory.

This.

It's the most likely scenario, given there need to be enough mutants in place to be put in camps all over the world before Bishop was even born. That's maybe 70 years to create a population so mutants will need to be created en masse.

[mythog]

It could very well be how it goes down, it does kind of make some sense.

[Maestro]

wait a minute. I thought she was supposed to kill mutants. I keep thinking Bishop is from the Days of Future Past timeline I guess

[Prodigy55]

I would like that idea, but it would be lolsuck for the ex-mutants who STILL don't get their powers back.

[orkoni1]

wait a minute. I thought she was supposed to kill mutants. I keep thinking Bishop is from the Days of Future Past timeline I guess

I think that's what they wanted to have us think that in a literal sense.

I would like that idea, but it would be lolsuck for the ex-mutants who STILL don't get their powers back.

Yeah that would suck for them lol.

OMG I sent this theory to one of the Marvel posters here, I don't know why, I was just all giddy from thinking that I might be right.

[Omega Alpha]

I would like that idea, but it would be lolsuck for the ex-mutants who STILL don't get their powers back.

Yeah.

In anyway, I like your theory. But I think a more interesting one than that would be Hope tied to Wanda herself rather than Phoenix. Who has the power to clean Wanda's mess? How about Wanda herself?

Mind you, I'd much rather if they keep their promise and Hope is just a baby born from regular parents, but the X-office and most writers to everything they can to make things as convoluted as possible every chance they get, so...

[orkoni1]

Yeah.

In anyway, I like your theory. But I think a more interesting one than that would be Hope tied to Wanda herself rather than Phoenix. Who has the power to clean Wanda's mess? How about Wanda herself?

Mind you, I'd much rather if they keep their promise and Hope is just a baby born from regular parents, but the X-office and most writers to everything they can to make things as convoluted as possible every chance they get, so...

Yeah but even if she is not related to jean she might get tied to the phoenix force due to her power and possibly b/c she would be able to contain the beast.

Also for those that have already read my thread I added a little more towards the end of the spoiler incased msg.

LOL I have no life, too much imagination I guess, and no job HAHAHAHA!!!! Yeah I should prolly not laugh about that, lol.

[spiderwire]

With your theory and my theory that Hope is the Wanda and Cap's unborn child from the house of m reality might be right.

[Peter F.]

With your theory and my theory that Hope is the Wanda and Cap's unborn child from the house of m reality might be right.

Wanda and Cap had an unborn child in the House of M?

But wasn't he like really old?

[orkoni1]

With your theory and my theory that Hope is the Wanda and Cap's unborn child from the house of m reality might be right.

It could be, never read the whole House of M series though(I only read the part having to do with the New X-men). I didnt know they were ever together in that series. And she was preggo!

That's a very good theory too! It could very well be that our theories may be cannon, but time will tell (if they end up changing things lol, which would be hard to do but doable It think).

[4sake]

GREAT Idea/theory !!!!!! orkoni1... :biggrin:

[orkoni1]

GREAT Idea/theory !!!!!! orkoni1... :biggrin:

Thanks! I was jumping with giddyness when It popped in my mind lol.

Goodnight Ya'll I'm turning in.

I had a coffe and two redbulls, If I don't make myself go to bed, I wont lol. And yes, I can sleep loaded on those drinks.

[The Thunderbird]

If the Phoenix is involved, Jean Grey better be back because Jean losing the Phoenix while dead would decrease her chances of a resurrection and that would suck. Warsong has proven that the Phoenix is not a good character without Jean and the bird better be left alone until Jean comes back.

[orkoni1]

I like Jean, but not so much with the Phoenix force, at least not as much as I did b4. Darn Caffeine I gotta got to bed!

[Flâneur]

If the Phoenix is involved, Jean Grey better be back because Jean losing the Phoenix while dead would decrease her chances of a resurrection and that would suck. Warsong has proven that the Phoenix is not a good character without Jean and the bird better be left alone until Jean comes back.

And? Retrospective stories about Jean like the First Class stuff and the possible Jean: Metro Co-Ed series are much more hassle free than any tangled resurrection story.

[The Thunderbird]

I like Jean, but not so much with the Phoenix force, at least not as much as I did b4. Darn Caffeine I gotta got to bed!

I prefer Phoenixless Jean too, I just don't want it to be yanked from her while she's still in the WHR, or it would be tougher to resurrect her without some cocoon thing. I prefer she comes back from the dead, has the Phoenix perform it's duty, and having it leave her alive, making her mortal again. I believe that Phoenix leaving a living Jean Grey has never been done before.

[orkoni1]

I prefer Phoenixless Jean too, I just don't want it to be yanked from her while she's still in the WHR, or it would be tougher to resurrect her without some cocoon thing. I prefer she comes back from the dead, has the Phoenix perform it's duty, and having it leave her alive, making her mortal again. I believe that Phoenix leaving a living Jean Grey has never been done before.

Corrupt an X-Men Wish

HellFrost: I wish Jean would come back and was never tied to the Phoenix Force ever again.

Brett P: Granted but then she goes into space......and gets merged with the almighty Griffin Force.

lol, but yes I too prefer a non phoenix possesed Jean, Having the Phoenix firce makes her jut TOO powerful when being written. She'll just get knocked out like Storm has, how Nightcrawler has and how Elixir has too for the sake of the story not ending like in two pages.

[Faded]

I actually really like your theory!

But now it won't happen because Marvel knows we're on to them.

Shame on you!

JUST KIDDING.
Good stuff. <3

[Anna]

wait a minute. I thought she was supposed to kill mutants. I keep thinking Bishop is from the Days of Future Past timeline I guess IIRC, Bishop told Layla that 'the baby killed a million HUMANS.

Yeah.

In anyway, I like your theory. But I think a more interesting one than that would be Hope tied to Wanda herself rather than Phoenix. Who has the power to clean Wanda's mess? How about Wanda herself?

Mind you, I'd much rather if they keep their promise and Hope is just a baby born from regular parents, but the X-office and most writers to everything they can to make things as convoluted as possible every chance they get, so...

Maybe Hope is the product of Wanda's meeting with Clint?

[Home made ectoplasm]

I like it!

Alternate theory:

Hope turns out to be Jean Grey reborn, 1 million fanboys get flustered, say "but Marvel said it wasn't her, omg!!!!!", kill themselves.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Clever. Quite clever.

I'd like it if this turns out to be true, and I'd consider it far more likely to happen in the present day Marvel U than an actual one million people massacre.

[ZNOP]

My theory below may be how it is that Hope kills a million humans in the future.

Not bad:smile: I like...

[Chief Jon]

That's a great theory orkoni1! I'd be able to believe that if Marvel published it.

[orkoni1]

Thanks! I'm just excited b/c it could mean that either some of our long time fave that were depowered could possibly get their powers back, or we'll get 1Million NEW mutants, or a mix of both!

I never thought they could do with only a bout 200 hundred or so mutants for too many years--especially when they kept killing them!

[Waterlily]

I like this theory and hope it comes to pass. Having Hope tied to Wanda is much more fun than having her be Jean reborn + the idea that the humans don't really die but are actually turned into mutants is an interesting twist. I really like Anna's suggestion that the baby is a result of Wanda and Clint.

I like it!

Alternate theory:

Hope turns out to be Jean Grey reborn, 1 million fanboys get flustered, say "but Marvel said it wasn't her, omg!!!!!", kill themselves.

LOL

[Beast]

I like the theory. But it seems unlikely given the last issue of X-Force.

After all, that established that Apocalypse was going to use her as a host body for his essence.

And even though he handed her over this time, he intended to come for her again in the future.

Not to mention it makes Bishop's villainous turn even more pathetic. Who thought that was possible?

[NielsVanEekelen]

I like the theory. But it seems unlikely given the last issue of X-Force.

After all, that established that Apocalypse was going to use her as a host body for his essence.

And even though he handed her over this time, he intended to come for her again in the future.

Doesn't mean it will happen or that that has anything to do with the One Million Humans event. Only thing that confirms is that Hope has a lot of power, which Pocy wants for himself.

Not to mention it makes Bishop's villainous turn even more pathetic. Who thought that was possible?

Well, it would make Bishop right--without Hope, mutants would never be put into camps... because without her those mutants wouldn't exist

[orkoni1]

I like the theory. But it seems unlikely given the last issue of X-Force.

After all, that established that Apocalypse was going to use her as a host body for his essence.

And even though he handed her over this time, he intended to come for her again in the future.

Not to mention it makes Bishop's villainous turn even more pathetic. Who thought that was possible?

And what was it that Apoc did in X-Men Evo? Oh yeah, try to turn humans into mutants.

Yeah I'm sure he will most def be involved in the third instalment of the Messiah trilogy.

Only time will tell. I hope we do get some new more new mutants, old ones back or a mix of those :smile:

And to be honest I think that Bishop is just irredeemable, he can't go like "oh, so thats what it means by "killing" a million humans, sorry I trid to kill you all" to his fellow x-men and get away with it. He'll have his own book after that, wallow over his mistake and have some new direction, like killing some other child or something.

[scamprin]

I suppose this is possible, but I really don't like the idea at all. There were too many mutants before House of M, and it could be argued that there are too many even still. There are a ton of powerful and previously active mutants doing absolutely nothing these days.

If it turns out that Hope did this in an alternate future and it won't come true for the main timeline that we are following, then that would be fine. But I really don't want to see storylines get hijacked by Hope creating mutants all over the place.

[rwsmith]

I like this idea. Hope creates a million mutants, but, by the time the legend reaches Bishop as a young boy in his future, the story has been twisted to the point that she "killed a million humans."

I mean, the public outcry at having a million people suddenly become mutants would be pretty major. Sentinels would be put back into service and things would start rapidly heading towards Bishop's future...

...until a younger version of Cable returns to the present with a younger version of Bishop (who has his sweet jericurl again), and both have agreed to work together to prevent Bishop's future and Cable's from coming to pass.

The older versions already killed one another when Bishop tried to take out Hope with a bomb, but Cable detonated it early killing himself and Bishop instead. Right afterwards is when a grief-stricken Hope turns a million normal humans into mutants and puts all of this into play.

I could see it working, and also ultimately bringing back earlier (and IMO better) versions of both Bishop and Cable. The former joins up with X-Factor and the latter with the X-men proper, and neither of their futures will come to pass now.

Something like that. :cool:

Either that or just kill them all and eliminate any remaining reference to time-traveling X-men. :evilsmile:

[orkoni1]

I like this idea. Hope creates a million mutants, but, by the time the legend reaches Bishop as a young boy in his future, the story has been twisted to the point that she "killed a million humans."

I mean, the public outcry at having a million people suddenly become mutants would be pretty major. Sentinels would be put back into service and things would start rapidly heading towards Bishop's future...

...until a younger version of Cable returns to the present with a younger version of Bishop (who has his sweet jericurl again), and both have agreed to work together to prevent Bishop's future and Cable's from coming to pass.

The older versions already killed one another when Bishop tried to take out Hope with a bomb, but Cable detonated it early killing himself and Bishop instead. Right afterwards is when a grief-stricken Hope turns a million normal humans into mutants and puts all of this into play.

I could see it working, and also ultimately bringing back earlier (and IMO better) versions of both Bishop and Cable. The former joins up with X-Factor and the latter with the X-men proper, and neither of their futures will come to pass now.

Something like that. :cool:

Either that or just kill them all and eliminate any remaining reference to time-traveling X-men. :evilsmile:

Don't kill old cable :frown: I like him. I can do w/o Bishop for a while though.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Yeah but even if she is not related to jean she might get tied to the phoenix force due to her power and possibly b/c she would be able to contain the beast.

Quite interesting...maybe not all of the Greys were executed...maybe a long-distant cousin was living in far away Cooperstown...after all, red hair and green eyes are somewot specific genetic traits...not that I care, mind you...:wink:
Also, one might consider Hope the love child of Wanda (as per OA's theory) and Clint Barton who went looking for her after her meltown (and his subsequent death and ressurection) and found her in a remote mountain village somewhere...She migrated to Cooperstown to have her baby, perhaps? It would depend on the MU time-frame and how the events flow leading from "meltdown toHope's birth"...again, not that I give a damn...:tongue:

[7thangel]

not a fan of this theory. i'm personally tired of the phoenix force, and to a degree jean grey resurrection that others are hoping for. but my biggest problem is that in the end it would be a mainstream comics cop out, no offense. i expect there to be a cop out when it's all said and done but i won't be happy about it.

it's more compelling to have hope actually kill a million humans on purpose and see the reactions of the x-men, cable, and bishop as they deal with their part in this genocide. how she will be viewed by her peers and how she views herself

it would also be interesting to see how marvel treats this in terms of time, is it inevitable meaning it was supposed to happen regardless, or was it preventable.lets see how much of their own rules they discard or combine to explain it.

and does that mean their will be another x-book or mini down the line dealing with it and the aftermath and will it involve the present day x-men beside cable and bishop

[ProfeZZor X]

What a great way to repopulate the Marvel universe, than using fresh faces and powers. Think of all the storylines that could be created accross the Marvel universe with that cannon... Mutant converts becoming heroes/villains/vigilantes, a new Civil War controversy, mutant converts hired by the government acting as the mutant watchdogs (the new sentinels), new mutant cults and secret societies, the repopulation of the Morlocks, the expansion of the Xavier institute worldwide (possibly new international teams), and so on... The possibilities are endless.