Le Diable Blanc: Amour et Appréciation de Gambit

[Naira K]

Prince of the Thieves Guild, the snake charmer, the Cajun gambler, the mysterious rogue with a dark past, Gambit is one of the most popular X-men ever! Blaming himself for the infamous Morlock Massacre, Remy Etienne LeBeau tried to redeem himself by becoming a mutant superhero. By numerous occasions he proved himself as a man of honor avec cœur d'or, wich is, heart of gold, that is not only capable of serving for the good, but of genuine love as well. Marvel's top ladies man, he was the one to say 'there's more t'love than th' physical'. So find some love in your cœur for this fabulous monsieur! It is shameful that there is no Gambit thread on CBR forums at this time. This is the all-new, all-awesome Gambit Appreciation thread! (Constructive criticism is accepted).

Young Gambit was so hot he already looked like Leo Dicaprio at his best!

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss76/naira_k/scg2xend25-1.jpg

And when he became older he was pure Johnny Depp!

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss76/naira_k/427325-X-Men2021320Dizzy-Megan20pg1.jpg

But then Gambit was one hot bastard in Wolverine and the X-men!

You just can't not love him!

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss76/naira_k/848535-4984_546498716671_164002150_.jpg

Gambit played by Taylor Kitsch! Admit it, he was one of the very few good things about the movie!
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss76/naira_k/gambitstfu.gif

So appreci-freakin-ate!

P.S. It's late and I tried my best <3.

[psycwave]

Awww Naira. ♥♥♥♥ it

P.S. I love that ole swamp rat Gambit.

[timbox]

P.S. It's late and I tried my best <3.

It's a lot more than just the first post. I will be watching you.


http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/2532/399479-92789-gambit_super.jpg

[Naira K]

It's a lot more than just the first post. I will be watching you.


http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/2532/399479-92789-gambit_super.jpg

Am I at least on your good side?

[Fatguy]

At least this appreciation thread was made with more than "Lets talk!" in the first post, unlike most new ones these days. It makes me like Gambit a little more.

[timbox]

Am I at least on your good side?

Of course you are.

[Pixie_Solanas]

This is one of the better crafted appreciation threads, even if it is for a d-list character. Bravo.

[Nikto]

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss76/naira_k/scg2xend25-1.jpg


This image is familiar, but I can't place what issue it's from.

[Monty_Cristo]

this is my favorite picture of Gambit, even if it's Land.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/70950-11880-103948-1-gambit_super.jpg

i wonder why Remy didn't get an invite to be a Dark X-Man.

[eurazn]

This thread needs more scans of shirtless Gambit.

[Shaid O Gray]

'Bout time ole Gambit got a thread. When I look at the Z-listers that have threads sometimes.... Seriously, I hope there's good stuff ahead for him so there'll be plenty to talk about here.

And I agree, I really enjoyed Gambit in the Wolverine movie. That, and most of the actors doing a good job still allowed me enjoy the movie, in spite of a decidedly weak script.

This reminded me of Gambit's original core, and why I liked him: Cool, mysterious loner in a trenchcoat, a N'awlins native and a sleight-of-hand-master. Throw in some really well-done action scenes with the staff and a 'Han Solo' moment near the end and they really had me hoping the X-movie franchise will continue and we'll see this incarnation again.

I just really hate how the 616 Gambit had all the mystery sucked out of him. Even writers that genuinely tried to give him stories outside of the X-Men usually just wound up with "Gambit's stealing something. And along the way he tosses some cards and winks at some girls.". There's gotta be more to do with him than that!

All eyes on Mike Carey now...

[mythog]

All eyes on Mike Carey now...

Carey mentioned on his facebook a few weeks ago something about talking to Nick (I am assuming Nick Lowe) and said he thought he had plans for him due to there conversation. So not only do we have what ever Carey is planing but maybe marvel has plans for Gambit as well out side of Legacy.

[orkoni1]

I didn't think movie gambit was that great. Come on he wasn't as mysterious as he should have been, he was like that fairy godmother aiding the main character when they need it. Was kindda forced for me.

I love Gambit, but the movie one I thought didn't do much justice for the character.

[Naira K]

This image is familiar, but I can't place what issue it's from.

It's from X-men The End.

[f4faith]

I didn't think movie gambit was that great. Come on he wasn't as mysterious as he should have been, he was like that fairy godmother aiding the main character when they need it. Was kindda forced for me.

I love Gambit, but the movie one I thought didn't do much justice for the character.

You mean compared to the drek they did with characters like Rogue?

While I agree they forced the character a bit to place him in the Wolverine movie compared to what they did to other characters like Psylocke's brief non-appearance to force her into a movie and then Emma's similar one in Wolverine, Gambit's was one of their better cameos. And certainly compared to the complete destruction of main characters like Rogue and even Cyclops (who I don't even like and think he got shafted by the movies), it was at least nice to see one character I wanted to see in an X-Men movie get it half right.

Naira: Nice thread but don't you think a good Gambit clip from the movie not a Wolverine one with Gambit in it would have been more appropriate for a Gambit thread?

[Naira K]

Naira: Nice thread but don't you think a good Gambit clip from the movie not a Wolverine one with Gambit in it would have been more appropriate for a Gambit thread?

Oh well I thought it was funny. :redface:
I guess you're right. How do you like these?

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss76/naira_k/Gambit-6.gif
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss76/naira_k/gambit-5.gif
http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww354/lovdraco/gif-gambit-2.gif

[timbox]

Naira: Nice thread but don't you think a good Gambit clip from the movie not a Wolverine one with Gambit in it would have been more appropriate for a Gambit thread?

If you have any in mind, feel free to post them.


Naira K, is Rogue the girl for Gambit?

[Nathan]

i didnt like the movie version of Gambit 8 minutes on screen lack of Charisma and lack of an accent, as for comics i hate Careys take on Gambit and sadly for me he's the only writer willing to use Remy

[Naira K]

Naira K, is Rogue the girl for Gambit?

YES SHE IS!!! Rogue and Gambit used to be beautiful together until Milligan took charge and made them boring and out of character. Gambit is a womanizer and Rogue is the one he wants but can't touch and he's the one to realize that love is not just physical. Vice versa, he was the one to open Rogue up, make her a deeper person. Their relashionship is unique and beautiful.

i didnt like the movie version of Gambit 8 minutes on screen lack of Charisma and lack of an accent, as for comics i hate Careys take on Gambit and sadly for me he's the only writer willing to use Remy

On the one hand, I'll agree with you. Too much noise about him and too little screen time. However, Taylor Kitsch's voice is very deep, hot and edgy. He has the Gambit smile and Remy's mannerism. Not to say he's just a pretty guy.
I love Mike Carey but I did feel that his take on deep is very much on the surface. I hope it was because he's been a supporting character in Legacy. A Gambit-centered arc would be GREAT!

[Shaid O Gray]

Rogue and Gambit used to be beautiful together until Milligan took charge and made them boring and out of character.

God, wasn't that awful? It read like fanfic to me! They barely even resembled the actual characters during the Milligan run. I think he really only knew the bare basics about them. I mean he still wrote them like they had never touched, while it was right after the X-treme run where they lived together without powers for months! I think Milligan didn't even know that, which makes it almost impossible to even accept his run as canon for me.

I love Mike Carey but I did feel that his take on deep is very much on the surface. I hope it was because he's been a supporting character in Legacy. A Gambit-centered arc would be GREAT!

(Gonna assume you meant 'his take on Gambit' here, hehe) Gambit has indeed been a side character in Carey's stories but at least that has brought him back into the x-verse as a regularly recurring character, which is more than anyone else has done. I'm curious to see what he'll do with a current story with Gambit as the lead.

And really Carey deserves props alone for bringing Gambit back to himself after he'd been turned into the Amazing Fartman of Apocalypse... That shot of 'pick a card, Cable' in MC was a big relief.

[Rowenna]

Just adding my appreciation to the thread

[Naira K]

(Gonna assume you meant 'his take on Gambit' here, hehe) Gambit has indeed been a side character in Carey's stories but at least that has brought him back into the x-verse as a regularly recurring character, which is more than anyone else has done. I'm curious to see what he'll do with a current story with Gambit as the lead.

And really Carey deserves props alone for bringing Gambit back to himself after he'd been turned into the Amazing Fartman of Apocalypse... That shot of 'pick a card, Cable' in MC was a big relief.

Oh dang when I think of something and write about something else a mess happens. So excited about this thread, lol.
Oh Messiah Complex was generally awesome AHEMROGUEAHEM. I'm a huge Bachalo fan and I was excited to see him draw Gambit's comeback. And it's wonderful how kind and caring Carey's Gambit is. But I just don't see how he was needed in the Legacy arcs. It seemed like Carey just really really wanted to put him in but the arc belonged to Xavier or Rogue.

[Canemacar]

Oh well I thought it was funny. :redface:
I guess you're right. How do you like these?

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss76/naira_k/Gambit-6.gif
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss76/naira_k/gambit-5.gif
http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww354/lovdraco/gif-gambit-2.gif

http://thevirts.com/insiders/gambit/

[mythog]

Oh dang when I think of something and write about something else a mess happens. So excited about this thread, lol.
Oh Messiah Complex was generally awesome AHEMROGUEAHEM. I'm a huge Bachalo fan and I was excited to see him draw Gambit's comeback. And it's wonderful how kind and caring Carey's Gambit is. But I just don't see how he was needed in the Legacy arcs. It seemed like Carey just really really wanted to put him in but the arc belonged to Xavier or Rogue.

I really have to agree with you Gambits appearances in Legacy was pointless, he didn't really do anything at all. I found it a real let down to be honest with you and to tell you the truth I am still unsure if Carey really wants to use Gambit at all. I guess it is just from his interviews about Legacy, Gambit barley gets a mention if he does it is one word or half a sentence and that is it.

[Justin K.]

Just adding my appreciation to the thread

As am I, though it is well done Naira, love the effort.
I appreciate Rogue and Gambit, that is when it's not all drama...

[Canemacar]

I don't think Carey has a very good grasp of the character to be honest. I think it was Gambit Origins that sealed it for me. Up until then I had been willing to give Carey the benefit of the doubt since the nature of Legacy kept him from focing on Gambit. But once Origins came around and he had the entire issue to focus on Gambit I noticed most of the characterization issue with Legacy carried over.

But the matter seems to be behind us as the most recent interviews seem to indicate Gambit will be leaving the title shortly after #227/8. Mike seems to think Lowe's got something in mind for him.

Also, Gambit is more or less confirmed as a playable character in the new Ultimate Alliance game. A week ago, a glitch in their site revealed they had Gambit's bio typed up for the Juggernaut character page, indicating he was a future reveal. A little while ago, I found a picture of the box art that shows him on the cover:

http://www.tothegame.com/boxshot.asp?picnum=uk&id=8383

[Naira K]

Oh I still haven't read the Gambit Origins story. I'm stuck in Russia again and I'm too lazy to order the books.

Just adding my appreciation to the thread

As am I, though it is well done Naira, love the effort.
I appreciate Rogue and Gambit, that is when it's not all drama...

Thanks you guys. I really want this thread to live, Gumbo deserves it!

I really have to agree with you Gambits appearances in Legacy was pointless, he didn't really do anything at all. I found it a real let down to be honest with you and to tell you the truth I am still unsure if Carey really wants to use Gambit at all. I guess it is just from his interviews about Legacy, Gambit barley gets a mention if he does it is one word or half a sentence and that is it.I don't think Carey has a very good grasp of the character to be honest. I think it was Gambit Origins that sealed it for me. Up until then I had been willing to give Carey the benefit of the doubt since the nature of Legacy kept him from focing on Gambit. But once Origins came around and he had the entire issue to focus on Gambit I noticed most of the characterization issue with Legacy carried over.

But the matter seems to be behind us as the most recent interviews seem to indicate Gambit will be leaving the title shortly after #227/8. Mike seems to think Lowe's got something in mind for him.

Also, Gambit is more or less confirmed as a playable character in the new Ultimate Alliance game. A week ago, a glitch in their site revealed they had Gambit's bio typed up for the Juggernaut character page, indicating he was a future reveal. A little while ago, I found a picture of the box art that shows him on the cover:

http://www.tothegame.com/boxshot.asp?picnum=uk&id=8383

This is really a pity because Carey did an amazing job on every other character he's worked on. Though his Gambit is adorable, especially in MC, he was really misused in Xavier arcs recently. However, I have to say that Carey woke up the fandom's interest for the character, which is a great thing.

By the way, Canemacar, feels good to see Gambit next to Wolverine and other major superheroes. I'm so proud of Remy ^_^.

http://thevirts.com/insiders/gambit/

Thank you, this is beautiful! I wonder how come we never saw it before.

[Rowenna]

http://thevirts.com/insiders/gambit/

Oh my good gods ... I think I just had a nerdgasm ...

I'm an ex-croupier so I'm pretty good with cards anyway, but this is the kind of stuff I'm trying to learn at the minute. Thanks for posting this, I'll be studying those tricks closely!

[Nathan]

Oh my good gods ... I think I just had a nerdgasm ...

I'm an ex-croupier so I'm pretty good with cards anyway, but this is the kind of stuff I'm trying to learn at the minute. Thanks for posting this, I'll be studying those tricks closely!

yeah it was brillently edited togethere i forgot it wasnt Taylor doin the card tricks for a sec

[Shaid O Gray]

I really have to agree with you Gambits appearances in Legacy was pointless, he didn't really do anything at all. I found it a real let down to be honest with you and to tell you the truth I am still unsure if Carey really wants to use Gambit at all. I guess it is just from his interviews about Legacy, Gambit barley gets a mention if he does it is one word or half a sentence and that is it.

Carey really does like Gambit, but those stories didn't really have much place for him. They truly were Xavier's /Rogue's stories. But then the only alternative was to leave him out completely and I appreciate him at least trying to bring Gambit back as a presence.

I don't think Carey has a very good grasp of the character to be honest. I think it was Gambit Origins that sealed it for me. Up until then I had been willing to give Carey the benefit of the doubt since the nature of Legacy kept him from focing on Gambit. But once Origins came around and he had the entire issue to focus on Gambit I noticed most of the characterization issue with Legacy carried over.

Interesting since the origins shot didn't really change my mind one way or the other on that since it was mainly recapping his history, albeit with a bit of a connecting character arc that previously wasn't there. Not great but I thought it wasn't bad.

And his take kinda fits my image of Gambit: morally ambivalent, has a cold and calculating streak but underneath a romantic with a bit of a desire to redeem himself for some of the crap he pulled. Charming bastard with an 'inner good guy'. Seems on the spot to me. What exactly are your issues with Carey's characterization of him? Too nice? Just curious.

But the matter seems to be behind us as the most recent interviews seem to indicate Gambit will be leaving the title shortly after #227/8. Mike seems to think Lowe's got something in mind for him.

Really? Everything I've read so far had Carey confirming Gambit will at least be a recurring presence in Legacy. Where'd you read this?

[mythog]

The last quote is actually Canemacar not mine but the comment about Lowe wanting to use him came from Carey's Facebook account.


Laura -- Does that mean another writer wants to use him as well or you are not sure if he will be showing up in other books. I guess it's the "I think" part that has me wondering.

Carey -- The "I think" comes from conversations I've had with Nick recently. I'm pretty sure he's got plans involving Gambit.

[Canemacar]

Interesting since the origins shot didn't really change my mind one way or the other on that since it was mainly recapping his history, albeit with a bit of a connecting character arc that previously wasn't there. Not great but I thought it wasn't bad.

I liked most of the Origins one-shot. It helped tie together the background of the character and establish an ongoing theme for the character. Unfortunately, Carey didn't really have the space he needed to really go into all the interesting details. I was especially hoping for some more about Gambit meeting Sinister for the first time and their unique relationship.

And his take kinda fits my image of Gambit: morally ambivalent, has a cold and calculating streak but underneath a romantic with a bit of a desire to redeem himself for some of the crap he pulled. Charming bastard with an 'inner good guy'. Seems on the spot to me. What exactly are your issues with Carey's characterization of him? Too nice? Just curious.

That sounds like a good description of the character, but my issue with Carey's Gambit is that he doesn't read anything like that to me. I haven't read anything that made me feel Gambit was walking a fine line between good and evil, that he was even remotely calculating and pragmatic, or even a very good thief.

Really? Everything I've read so far had Carey confirming Gambit will at least be a recurring presence in Legacy. Where'd you read this?

It wasn't a single, announcement, but I've noticed Carey's description of Gambit's role getting more and more modest in the last few interviews. A while back the word was he was a definite member of the cast. Then he was described as a recurring guest character. Now it's being said he will appear "once in a while".

While there haven't been any definite statements, it's clear Carey isn't planning to have him around as much, or as often, as previously indicated. I am interested in seeing what Lowe's got planned, so I'm not too sad about Remy's lessened role in Legacy.

[Naira K]

It seemes that throughout Legacy Gambit was just... there. He had a few good lines, but that's all. It seemed like any other character could be put in his place. Perhaps Carey wasn't just that familiar with the character, but now that he explored Remy's life in the Origins story, perhaps his Gambit will be more personalized. However, MC Gambit was really a good character - perhaps he just needs an independent line in the arc, like he did in MC? What I like about Carey's writing, however, is that Gambit is kind and caring, especially when it comes to Rogue. I'd loke to see some meanness, too. Like towards Cyclops. :biggrin:

[Shaid O Gray]

I liked most of the Origins one-shot. It helped tie together the background of the character and establish an ongoing theme for the character. Unfortunately, Carey didn't really have the space he needed to really go into all the interesting details. I was especially hoping for some more about Gambit meeting Sinister for the first time and their unique relationship.

Agreed. I'm sure Carey would've preferred a mini series too. I suppose we should be happy he got the one-shot.

That sounds like a good description of the character, but my issue with Carey's Gambit is that he doesn't read anything like that to me. I haven't read anything that made me feel Gambit was walking a fine line between good and evil, that he was even remotely calculating and pragmatic, or even a very good thief.

Funny, I was happy someone's finally writing him like my description again. I see your points in some ways, but I feel that was mostly the problem of Carey having to cram so much into one flimsy issue.

It wasn't a single, announcement, but I've noticed Carey's description of Gambit's role getting more and more modest in the last few interviews. A while back the word was he was a definite member of the cast. Then he was described as a recurring guest character. Now it's being said he will appear "once in a while".

While there haven't been any definite statements, it's clear Carey isn't planning to have him around as much, or as often, as previously indicated. I am interested in seeing what Lowe's got planned, so I'm not too sad about Remy's lessened role in Legacy.

No I don't think it's a bad thing either. The new set-up for Legacy: Rogue monitoring/mentoring/whatever troubled mutant teens while she doesn't really want the job could be an interesting dynamic for her. But Gambit as a regular in there would result in two things I don't want to see:
1-Same as the previous Legacy stories, there wouldn't be all that much to do for him other that be Rogue's assistant and say some emotionally supportive things to her every now and then, and
2-It would come awfully close to domesticating Gambit again. And he's one character that shoudn't be domesticated.

I hope he stays a bit on the outs with the X-Men, and pops up in Legacy every now and then. He needs to be the cool outsider again, and that way any scenes with him and Rogue they would want to do could have some cool tension again or be 'forbidden' or flirty and won't eat up either character's whole existence.

Of course my happiness with that possible scenario still also rests with whatever Lowe has planned and how he'll be writing Gambit.

It seemes that throughout Legacy Gambit was just... there. He had a few good lines, but that's all. It seemed like any other character could be put in his place. Perhaps Carey wasn't just that familiar with the character, but now that he explored Remy's life in the Origins story, perhaps his Gambit will be more personalized. However, MC Gambit was really a good character - perhaps he just needs an independent line in the arc, like he did in MC? What I like about Carey's writing, however, is that Gambit is kind and caring, especially when it comes to Rogue. I'd loke to see some meanness, too. Like towards Cyclops

Well, we may see that last bit soon. I'm curious. I doubt they'll go into it much, but I've always wondered whether the X-Men realize how much Gambit actually helped them during MC.

[Naira K]

I hope he stays a bit on the outs with the X-Men, and pops up in Legacy every now and then. He needs to be the cool outsider again, and that way any scenes with him and Rogue they would want to do could have some cool tension again or be 'forbidden' or flirty and won't eat up either character's whole existence.

Do you mean a supporting character? Aw I think he can be pretty much leading character. Why does someone like Cyclops (oh sorry my Cyclops hate button is on) should get all the panel time? And I used to love Emma, kinda still do, but she is just EVERYWHERE. Why not bring in new, fresh leaders? Or at least give them bigger roles? I actually think Gambit'd be dang good in X-Factor. And we all know he is a great mentor to to the kids. AHEMFOXXAHEMDIRTYMOVIEAHEMBLINGAHEM.

Can you please remind me what Nick Lowe wrote before?




Well, we may see that last bit soon. I'm curious. I doubt they'll go into it much, but I've always wondered whether the X-Men realize how much Gambit actually helped them during MC.

Now that you've mentioned it... If Gambit and Mystique (!!!) didn't get the baby, who knows what would have happened. See? This is what I want to see, Gambit being the center of event not as a spectator, but as a major link in the plot.

[CrimsonComedian]

Kitsch was a terrible Gambit.

[Shaid O Gray]

Do you mean a supporting character? Aw I think he can be pretty much leading character.

Okay, but we know he won't. Carey said the focus of Legacy will be Rogue. My point was that Gambit could then easily get stuck in the same modus he'sbeen in in the last few Legacy arcs. Stories that are not really about him but in which he's shoved in anyway. Resulting in nothing much for him to do. Besides, he's a free spirit and I don't like him in the 'settled teacher' role all that much.

Why does someone like Cyclops (oh sorry my Cyclops hate button is on) should get all the panel time? And I used to love Emma, kinda still do, but she is just EVERYWHERE. Why not bring in new, fresh leaders? Or at least give them bigger roles? I actually think Gambit'd be dang good in X-Factor. And we all know he is a great mentor to to the kids. AHEMFOXXAHEMDIRTYMOVIEAHEMBLINGAHEM

I never said Cyclops should get screentime. Not even sure Cyclops will feature all that much in Legacy actually. And aren't Cyke and Emma basically just in Uncanny? And Astonishing, but that one barely even counts anymore.

.Can you please remind me what Nick Lowe wrote before?

Sorry, i said it wrong in my last post. Nick Lowe's an editor, actually. I meant how Gambit will be written under Lowe's supposed plans. (whatever they are and whichever writer it will be)

Now that you've mentioned it... If Gambit and Mystique (!!!) didn't get the baby, who knows what would have happened. See? This is what I want to see, Gambit being the center of event not as a spectator, but as a major link in the plot.

And not just that. Gambit saved Cable's life, making sure he'd escape, as well as tipping him off about what was going on with the 'minute before dawn' line. (Which I felt could've been explained a little better. I assume Gambit just paid attention to Sinister's findings and knew Cable would get it, but it would've been nice if that'd been made clearer) Gambit also sneakily destroyed the diaries right before Sinister could get them, saved the baby from Bishop and planned to kill Sinister with Mystique. At the end he was the one to give the baby to Xavier, and thereby to the X-Men.

And the X-Men should be aware of most of that. So I'm curious to see if all he gets is 'traitor!' when he shows up.

[Naira K]

I never said Cyclops should get screentime. Not even sure Cyclops will feature all that much in Legacy actually. And aren't Cyke and Emma basically just in Uncanny? And Astonishing, but that one barely even counts anymore.

And the X-Men should be aware of most of that. So I'm curious to see if all he gets is 'traitor!' when he shows up.

I know you didn't. I just feel that those two are getting waaaaaay too much unneeded screentime in whatever verse they pop in, especially Cyclops. Emma wasn't in first three movies and X-men Evolution. And she's not one of the original X-men. But Cyclops is and been incredibly annoying since day one... ooops, getting off the topic *hate button off*.

[Canemacar]

Funny, I was happy someone's finally writing him like my description again. I see your points in some ways, but I feel that was mostly the problem of Carey having to cram so much into one flimsy issue.

Oh, I was talking more about Legacy than the one-shot but while we're on the subject, I did like how Carey established Gambit's bitterness over his divorce and exile as a factor in why he became such a remorseless criminal up until the Massacre. Adds a more human touch to the character.

No I don't think it's a bad thing either. The new set-up for Legacy: Rogue monitoring/mentoring/whatever troubled mutant teens while she doesn't really want the job could be an interesting dynamic for her. But Gambit as a regular in there would result in two things I don't want to see:
1-Same as the previous Legacy stories, there wouldn't be all that much to do for him other that be Rogue's assistant and say some emotionally supportive things to her every now and then, and 2-It would come awfully close to domesticating Gambit again. And he's one character that shoudn't be domesticated.

I agree with that. Part of what I didn't like about Milligan's run(aside from everything else) was how Gambit was playing school teacher to a bunch of kids. It just doesn't work very well, IMO. It can be fun for an issue or two, like in the Layman solo, but any more and it bogs things down. Just look at Wolverine; he had a few heart-warming moments with Kitty back in the day, but now it's like every (Asian)teen girl in the place is contractually obligated to be his side-kick.

I hope he stays a bit on the outs with the X-Men, and pops up in Legacy every now and then. He needs to be the cool outsider again, and that way any scenes with him and Rogue they would want to do could have some cool tension again or be 'forbidden' or flirty and won't eat up either character's whole existence.

I'd like him to pointed not rejoin the team, but occasionally get hired to help them out with a mission or just for some cloak&dagger stuff. I bet you'd probably like the idea of him handing Cyke a massive bill for his services at the end of an issue.

Got to disagree on the rogue front though. I don't want to see anymore romantic tension between them again, period. It's a relationship thats been dead for years; it lost any resonance with most readers years ago. Just let it rest in peace.

Well, we may see that last bit soon. I'm curious. I doubt they'll go into it much, but I've always wondered whether the X-Men realize how much Gambit actually helped them during MC.

I wouldn't expect so. I man, if Rogue couldn't let it go despite it being done entirely for her, I don't see the X-men being any more forgiving. The situation's got potiential, though, so it's not necessarily a bad thing.

[Fionnuala]

Kitsch was a terrible Gambit.

Who cares? He's hot.

[.LuckyStar.]

Who cares? He's hot.

I agree.
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[Red Lotus]

It wasn't a single, announcement, but I've noticed Carey's description of Gambit's role getting more and more modest in the last few interviews. A while back the word was he was a definite member of the cast. Then he was described as a recurring guest character. Now it's being said he will appear "once in a while".

While there haven't been any definite statements, it's clear Carey isn't planning to have him around as much, or as often, as previously indicated. I am interested in seeing what Lowe's got planned, so I'm not too sad about Remy's lessened role in Legacy.

It was more Carey saying that Gambit would have more then a supporting role to once in a while. But yeah that told you that what ever he wanted to do with Gambit had changed.

The Lowe thing I dont know how to take that. The last time an editor had plans for Gambit he ended up getting blinded.

[That JonoGuy]

this is my favorite picture of Gambit, even if it's Land.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/70950-11880-103948-1-gambit_super.jpg


I had a feeling that was the image you would link to. For me, my favorite Gambit images are any that are drawn by Steve Skroce.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/30665/641988-gambit__24__super.jpg

[PSINGRAPHD]

First, lemme just say... I friggin' LOVE Gambit!!!!!!! Remy's the man! Second, I think if he does end up being initially playable in MUA2, this will be a major boon in returning him to prominence. Lastly, what do you all think of his depiction in W&tXM? I thought it was pretty damn good, tho I would have preferred to see him in A LOT more episodes. Would maybe like to see him do something a lil' more heroic in the second season also, like join the X-Men begrudgingly. Would like some follow-up to his faux romance with Polaris as well.

Concerning comics Gambit, I think he should return to his womanizing ways and play the field. I love Rogue too, but let the two of them grow as characters apart from each other for a while, they need to breathe on their own. Remy recurring in Legacy is fine, but I wouldn't mind him gettin' some serious facetime elsewhere. I don't no where or doing what, but hopefully Marvel's got some plans for him besides what Carey has in mind. Gambit's been wasted and sidelined for WAY too long now. We fans want the Ragin' Cajun back & better than ever!


http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp229/psingraphd/MyFavoriteX-MenBanner.jpg

[xfire]

I also wanted to show my love and support for Gambit, cool dude! :biggrin:

[booga]

another gay dude here then

[Canemacar]

It was more Carey saying that Gambit would have more then a supporting role to once in a while. But yeah that told you that what ever he wanted to do with Gambit had changed.

I guess i misread the interview then. So Gambit will still appear in Legacy, but mostly as a supporting character and on occasion taking a more central role?

The Lowe thing I dont know how to take that. The last time an editor had plans for Gambit he ended up getting blinded.

A very valid concern. Alonso had plans to bring Bishop and forge more into the spotlight during and after Messiah complex and we've seen how that played out for them.

[Naira K]

What do you all think of X-men Legacy #226 preview? I liked it a lot.

[CMc6]

I've always been a fan of Gambit. My first introduction to him was the X-Men Animated Series...I really liked him in that. He had that whole arrogant/charasmatic persona going on which was a big change from the other characters on the show. Also with that whole mysterious look and secret past/background, he was always an interesting character.

Strangely enough I grew up with a guy who I honestly thought was a real life version of Gambit lol...the very same kinda look and a matching personality to.

As for Gambit in the movie....I wasn't a fan. When I saw the guy who was cast as him I wasn't sure...but then after seeing the movie I was convinced. Like people have said...it's like it was forced on us. There had been a lot of calls to get Gambit on the big screen and they didn't deliver in my opinion...could have been much better.

[Puunk]

Strangely enough I grew up with a guy who I honestly thought was a real life version of Gambit lol...the very same kinda look and a matching personality to.

:O! Lucky.

I freaking love Gambit. :biggrin:

[CMc6]

:O! Lucky.

I freaking love Gambit. :biggrin:

Lol it wasn't that lucky when you're out trying to pick up some girls and he happens to be with you :tongue: kind of steals thier attention lol.

[Puunk]

Lol it wasn't that lucky when you're out trying to pick up some girls and he happens to be with you :tongue: kind of steals thier attention lol.

LOLOL.

That's still cool though ahah.

[Justin K.]

Gambit and Tarot should totally team up

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5551/139491-175484-tarot.jpg
http://thecinemasource.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/gambit-art.jpg

[rwsmith]

Just thought I'd share, but according to the leaked box art for Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2, Gambit is going to be in the game as a playable character:

http://www.tothegame.com/res/game/8383/boxshot_uk_large.jpg

IMO his resurgence in popularity is probably due to him being in the Wolverine movie this summer. One of the big complaints about the film (among others) was the fact that Gambit and Deadpool should've gotten more screentime.

[Slant]

Looks awesome. I wonder what costumes they'll use for him.

[Naira K]

Gambit and Tarot should totally team up

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5551/139491-175484-tarot.jpg
http://thecinemasource.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/gambit-art.jpg

Gambit wins. Hawt. :tongue:

Speaking of the Animated series, my favorite moment was "Everybody can relax. Gambit has returned."

[Rowenna]

Speaking of the Animated series, my favorite moment was "Everybody can relax. Gambit has returned."

Nah, beaten hands down by 'Gambit don't make no TV dinner!'

[CMc6]

I thought he had a number of good lines in the animated series, two of my favourites would be:

When hitting Apocolypse with the plane: "The names Gambit...remember it"

When Rogue fell in the same episode: "Hey, maybe you stay off that fried chicken huh?"

[Rowenna]

I thought he had a number of good lines in the animated series, two of my favourites would be:

When hitting Apocolypse with the plane: "The names Gambit...remember it"

When Rogue fell in the same episode: "Hey, maybe you stay off that fried chicken huh?"

Or to Jubilee: "How'd you sweat so much petite, and not lose weight?"

[CMc6]

Or to Jubilee: "How'd you sweat so much petite, and not lose weight?"

Lol yeah....I think he just about asked every member of the team at a point "If they missed him".

[Naira K]

WATX Gambit had some great quotes, too.

Wolverine: And you sold out your kind for a little cash.
Remy: Absolutment non! I sold out my kind for a large amount of cash. There is a difference.

And then he beats everyone up and asks Wolvie "Are you always that helpfull?"

Daaaang, WATXM Gambit was awesome.

[Rowenna]

Lol yeah....I think he just about asked every member of the team at a point "If they missed him".

Which got a nice little nod in the Wolverine film

[Rowenna]

WATX Gambit had some great quotes, too.

Wolverine: And you sold out your kind for a little cash.
Remy: Absolutment non! I sold out my kind for a large amount of cash. There is a difference.

And then he beats everyone up and asks Wolvie "Are you always that helpfull?"

Daaaang, WATXM Gambit was awesome.

Hmm, I may have to watch this now

[CMc6]

I loved Wolverine's line in the animated series in the episode where he, Gambit and Rogue go on vacation. They are doing a bit of skiing, which Gambit is hopeless at and is offered some help...to which Gambit responds with a smirk "Please.....Gambit is a natural athlete".... after which he slides down the slope and hits a tree knocking himself unconscious. He then blows up the tree due to his powers and causes an avalanche.

It then skips over to Wolverine who is digging through the snow trying to find him and as he is doing that he says "The guy doesn't break sweat with Magento or Apocolypse....so what nails him?...... A pine tree"

Wolverine had some good lines to :p

[Rowenna]

It then skips over to Wolverine who is digging through the snow trying to find him and as he is doing that he says "The guy doesn't break sweat with Magento or Apocolypse....so what nails him?...... A pine tree"

Wolverine had some good lines to :p

Oh I nearly died at that one ... but yeah, Wolverine had some of the best. Mr Sinister comments that Rogue is beautiful, and Wolverine signals his entrance with 'Thanks, I always did think I was kinda cute ...'

I could do this all night and that's not good ...

[CMc6]

Oh I nearly died at that one ... but yeah, Wolverine had some of the best. Mr Sinister comments that Rogue is beautiful, and Wolverine signals his entrance with 'Thanks, I always did think I was kinda cute ...'

I could do this all night and that's not good ...

Lol I know I could do that to....I loved that show.

I was like 5 or 6 years old when I saw the first episode and at the part Jubilee hit's the danger room open for the Gambit/Wolverine sequence I was like hmmm who's Wolverine as he hadn't appeared yet...then bang....burst's through a wall looking bad ass, for Gambit to say.."There you are Wolverine"...I think I picked my favourite at that exact moment :tongue:

[Rowenna]

Lol I know I could do that to....I loved that show.

I was like 5 or 6 years old when I saw the first episode

You make me feel old

[Canemacar]

I haven't seen the whole thing, but his second appearance in WatXM is better than his first. I forget which it is in the numbering but it was called Aces and Eights. The voice-work doesn't get any better unfortunately. Phil LaMarr's a great voice actor, but he's just not right for the role.

A second season was confirmed a few weeks ago and I think he'll have a bit more screentime if only because of his appearance in Wolvie's movie last spring.

[CMc6]

You make me feel old

Lol thinking back to how long ago it was I first saw the X-Men makes me feel old :tongue:

[Naira K]

I haven't seen the whole thing, but his second appearance in WatXM is better than his first. I forget which it is in the numbering but it was called Aces and Eights. The voice-work doesn't get any better unfortunately. Phil LaMarr's a great voice actor, but he's just not right for the role.

A second season was confirmed a few weeks ago and I think he'll have a bit more screentime if only because of his appearance in Wolvie's movie last spring.

Aces and Eights was awesome. However, I hope the whole Polaris thing is buried and Gambit and Rogue are going to at least meet. I think they both have great edgy personalities in this cartoon.

[eggie]

I liked Gambit from the beginning...I liked his friendship with Storm and then joining the X-Men and being secritive about him self but trying to gather information on the other members of the team. And then I learned to love him even more when he was on the blue team in adjectiveless X-Men...he is my favorite X-Man...Gambit rocks!!!

[Red Lotus]

I guess i misread the interview then. So Gambit will still appear in Legacy, but mostly as a supporting character and on occasion taking a more central role?



A very valid concern. Alonso had plans to bring Bishop and forge more into the spotlight during and after Messiah complex and we've seen how that played out for them.

My bad I should have been more clear. I was saying you were right. The first thing Carey said was Gambit would have more then a supporting role. But now he is saying he will come and go(note this after he said If he could keep Gambit). Which showed a huge drop in Carey plans for him as in he had to change them.

With Carey even if Gambit was just in the back ground I didn't think they were going to do some thing stupid with him. Now I cant say that.

[Canemacar]

Aces and Eights was awesome. However, I hope the whole Polaris thing is buried and Gambit and Rogue are going to at least meet. I think they both have great edgy personalities in this cartoon.

I hope they stay far away from each other or they'll lose those edgy personalities. How lame would it be to go from terrorist bombing to begging your girlfriend to forgive you for leaving the toilet seat up.

My bad I should have been more clear. I was saying you were right. The first thing Carey said was Gambit would have more then a supporting role. But now he is saying he will come and go(note this after he said If he could keep Gambit). Which showed a huge drop in Carey plans for him as in he had to change them.

With Carey even if Gambit was just in the back ground I didn't think they were going to do some thing stupid with him. Now I cant say that.

Well, Carey said something about writing a Gambit short a few days ago. I thought it was set in the past because o how he said it would be set in between two already established character beats, but now I wonder if it's a transitionary piece meant to link Gambit from his role in Legacy to whatever Lowe may have planned.

[Naira K]

I hope they stay far away from each other or they'll lose those edgy personalities. How lame would it be to go from terrorist bombing to begging your girlfriend to forgive you for leaving the toilet seat up.


Nooo, I want them to be just like they appeared together first - flirty, nothing serious, no whining, pure passion. You know what else I'm excited for? Age of Apocalypse.

[4sake]

My favorite Gambit pics.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31499/797791-gambit_00_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/gambit_00/105-797791/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/237556-77031-gambit_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/77031-gambit/105-237556/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3133/149793-92644-gambit_large.JPG (http://www.comicvine.com/92644-gambit/105-149793/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/315178-21127-gambit_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/21127-gambit/105-315178/)

[4sake]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/315243-94168-gambit_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/94168-gambit/105-315243/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/315185-114179-gambit_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/114179-gambit/105-315185/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/229/99658-75151-gambit_large.JPG (http://www.comicvine.com/75151-gambit/105-99658/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/39442/811589-g_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/g/105-811589/)

[Rowenna]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3133/149793-92644-gambit_large.JPG (http://www.comicvine.com/92644-gambit/105-149793/)

What's this one from?

[Nikto]

Ultimate X-Men 13 or 14.

[Canemacar]

Its the last page of thirteen. It's probably the best Gambit story outside of his Niceza solo in the last decade or so and strangely enough was written by Chuck Austen.

[Rowenna]

Thanks guys. I may well have to check that one out. I just looked it up and was immediately drawn by the 'almost no supernatural or mystical elements' line ...

Although I should probably read more Uncanny etc. before branching out into other universes

[Canemacar]

With that one you really don't have to. It's really self-contained. The only mention the rest of the universe gets is when Storm and Xavier try and recruit him and he calls Chuck a pedophile.

[Nikto]

Thought I'd show my Gambit appreciation with a look at my custom figure I made a couple months back.
Did it Marvel vs Capcom style.

Some of you might have already seen it when I initially showed it on Marvel.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa24/gambitholic/Picture088.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa24/gambitholic/Picture089.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa24/gambitholic/Picture090.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa24/gambitholic/Picture091.jpg

[Rowenna]

With that one you really don't have to. It's really self-contained. The only mention the rest of the universe gets is when Storm and Xavier try and recruit him and he calls Chuck a pedophile.

Seriously? That's genius ...

[Naira K]

Thought I'd show my Gambit appreciation with a look at my custom figure I made a couple months back.
Did it Marvel vs Capcom style.

Some of you might have already seen it when I initially showed it on Marvel.



Wow, good job! :biggrin:

[That JonoGuy]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/315185-114179-gambit_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/114179-gambit/105-315185/)


The covers for that Mini were so great. If only the same could be said for the story inside them.

[Shaid O Gray]

I hope they stay far away from each other or they'll lose those edgy personalities. How lame would it be to go from terrorist bombing to begging your girlfriend to forgive you for leaving the toilet seat up.

Hey I still say that is only lame when it's written lamely. Just leave out the domestication part and the right writer can pull it off.

Well, Carey said something about writing a Gambit short a few days ago. I thought it was set in the past because o how he said it would be set in between two already established character beats, but now I wonder if it's a transitionary piece meant to link Gambit from his role in Legacy to whatever Lowe may have planned.

Ok but is that 'Lowe is planning something for Gambit' because you heard something or because your wishful thinking is set to eleven? I haven't been able to find anything.

Nooo, I want them to be just like they appeared together first - flirty, nothing serious, no whining, pure passion.

That would be good.

You know what else I'm excited for? Age of Apocalypse.

Uhm, then you should travel back in time to the 90's......and watch Rogue be married to a creepy guy who used his ability to touch her to lure this traumatized teenage girl away from her boyfriend Gambit.....

[Naira K]

Uhm, then you should travel back in time to the 90's......and watch Rogue be married to a creepy guy who used his ability to touch her to lure this traumatized teenage girl away from her boyfriend Gambit.....

Nonono I mean WATX Age of Apocalypse. I'm hoping for Rogue's long hair and a green hood. :rolleyes:

[streator]

gambit's my favorite x-man. here's a link to his spotlight, although it is somewhat outdated:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=83&page=7

favorite gambit covers:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8085/76951792.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/i/76951792.jpg/)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6039/gambit31df.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/i/gambit31df.jpg/)

favorite gambit costume:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6883/gambitbigcostume6.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/i/gambitbigcostume6.jpg/)

[Shaid O Gray]

Nonono I mean WATX Age of Apocalypse. I'm hoping for Rogue's long hair and a green hood. :rolleyes:

Ahh ok. They're doing AoA there huh? I have yet to watch it. Well, I saw the first three eps at theSan Diego Comicon screening last year, which was cool, but I'm still thinking I wanna get the DVD set when it comes out and see it all in one go.

'Course that means I'm all kindsa out of touch until then...

[Fionnuala]

Gambit and Nightwing are the only really properly male comic book characters, at least that I can think of. Skroce's version was very nice to look at.

[Rowenna]

Ahh ok. They're doing AoA there huh? I have yet to watch it. Well, I saw the first three eps at theSan Diego Comicon screening last year, which was cool, but I'm still thinking I wanna get the DVD set when it comes out and see it all in one go

I've just started watching series 1. Naira's right, it's cool and their Gambit's pretty awesome

[Canemacar]

Ok but is that 'Lowe is planning something for Gambit' because you heard something or because your wishful thinking is set to eleven? I haven't been able to find anything.

There's nothing official confirming it, but Carey seemed to think Lowe had plans, presumably due to his restricted access to the character in the coming months. It could mean Lowe wants to include the character in a few projects later this year, or it could be nothing and Gambit just gets booted into limbo.

[Rowenna]

So I've noticed something recently:

http://images.suite101.com/504948_com_xmen204.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/xposition/020309/XMEN224_COV_100.jpg

http://www.dragonhero.com/graphics/X-Women/Rogue_Gambit.jpg

Why in all of these pictures does Gambit have a card ready and (usually) charged up? It seems like the last thing he should be concentrating on ...

[4sake]

I look throw Utl. X-men 13 & 14 (:biggrin: ) & Utl 50-53 (:evilangry: ) while I was at the bookstore. An I liked the fact that they kind of hinted that Mr. Sinister was Gambit biological father & etc.

So does anyone want to speculate about his origins/parents & etc. Such as what you would like to see marvel do & what you hope they don't do.

What do you think the best they could do without making him a summers brother because they hinted at it so much during the 90s. I think he make have spent more times hanging with non x-men Summer family members more than Scott & Havok did lol.

[Canemacar]

I look throw Utl. X-men 13 & 14 (:biggrin: ) & Utl 50-53 (:evilangry: ) while I was at the bookstore. An I liked the fact that they kind of hinted that Mr. Sinister was Gambit biological father & etc.

I believe you're mistaken. Gambit wasn't in issues 50-53. He died off panel just after 14 when his hobo-train was attacked by all the alligators in the NY sewers. An unforutnate coincidence? Or revenge for years of being made into gumbo?

So does anyone want to speculate about his origins/parents & etc. Such as what you would like to see marvel do & what you hope they don't do.

Do: Make him the son of a supersitious cajun couple who abandoned the baby in fear after seeing his eyes.

Don't: The son/clone of Sinister/Scott or any relation to a pre-existing X-character.

[4sake]

I believe you're mistaken. Gambit wasn't in issues 50-53. He died off panel just after 14 when his hobo-train was attacked by all the alligators in the NY sewers. An unforutnate coincidence? Or revenge for years of being made into gumbo?


He was in those issues lol, he died saving Utl Rogue from Utl Juggernaut, her possessive ex-boyfriend. Also Utl Rogue permanently absorbed his powers.

http://www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/marvel/ultxmen50/

http://www.comicvine.com/gambit/29-1499/ultimate-x-men/49-7258/

http://www.comicvine.com/gambit/29-1499/

[4sake]

Do: Make him the son of a supersitious cajun couple who abandoned the baby in fear after seeing his eyes.

Don't: The son/clone of Sinister/Scott or any relation to a pre-existing X-character.

I wish they wouldn't make him related to a pre-existing X-character, but I think they are. To at least clear up why he was taking to all those summer relatives.

Don't : a clone or a summer brother... I'll take anything other than a clone or summer brother lol

I wouldn't I mind it they made him Mr.Sinister & some Summer woman son (as long as she not Scott, Alex & the rest mom). Sinister could been dating/using her for some reason & get her pregnant. Then she relies he evil ( she sees him kill or experiment on some one or etc) She run away to have Gambit & to keep him away from Sinister.

But when he born he see his eyes are kind of similar to Sinister & she abandon him out of fear he will be evil & etc like his father. Then he get adopted by his True father Jean-Luc LeBeau & etc.

[Naira K]

So I've noticed something recently:

http://images.suite101.com/504948_com_xmen204.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/xposition/020309/XMEN224_COV_100.jpg

http://www.dragonhero.com/graphics/X-Women/Rogue_Gambit.jpg

Why in all of these pictures does Gambit have a card ready and (usually) charged up? It seems like the last thing he should be concentrating on ...

Baby I get a charge out of you? :biggrin:


He was in those issues lol, he died saving Utl Rogue from Utl Juggernaut, her possessive ex-boyfriend. Also Utl Rogue permanently absorbed his powers.

http://www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/marvel/ultxmen50/

http://www.comicvine.com/gambit/29-1499/ultimate-x-men/49-7258/

http://www.comicvine.com/gambit/29-1499/

Ah, those were his best Ultimate issues.

[Rowenna]

Baby I get a charge out of you? :biggrin:

I love the cheese ... you're good at this!

[Naira K]

I love the cheese ... you're good at this!

I'd say 'thank you' but I think I saw some Rogue/Gambit picture with 'I get a charge out of you' on it. So yeah, not mine, but used approprietly.

[mythog]

Well Carey answered a question for me on his board

mythogma says:
July 8, 2009 at 8:23 pm

Hey mike Love the new site, I read a few of your interviews and it sounds like Gambit is once again off to limbo after the this arc, until you use him again. It comes off like his part even as a supporting character in legacy has diminished a little. Can you tell us Gambit fans if there are any plans by marvel for Remy?

Mike Carey says:
July 9, 2009 at 8:36 am

I’m trying to set something up in the Annual, mythogma. It’s just bouncing Gambit off in a different direction, and setting something up that I or another writer can then pay off.

I know exactly what you mean about how my statements on this subject have changed. Initially I said I wanted to use Remy in a way that wouldn’t make him an adjunct to Rogue’s story (as he was in Messiah Complex) – and then I said “but it’s not his book”. The comments reflect the way the concepy of Legacy has been evolving as we work through this first arc and define our terms. I still want to have Gambit as part of the cast, but I’m not sure how far I’m going to be free to play out big character beats for him. I’d rather not use him than just use him as intermittent cannon fodder. I still feel I can do that – I mean, can bring him in convincingly and satisfyingly – but I don’t want to make promises and then not keep them.


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[f4faith]

I’m trying to set something up in the Annual, mythogma. It’s just bouncing Gambit off in a different direction, and setting something up that I or another writer can then pay off.

Thanks Mythog. So it seems what he's trying to do (And if I'm understanding it right I agree) is set up a new status quo for Gambit - ie a specific role to play that any of the x writers can bring him into their book to do.

Hopefully something like I've been pushing for years where Gambit out gathering information and relaying that back but maybe in a way that might not be obvious - ie if he's playing double agent like in Messiah complex, some of the X-Men might not know he's on their side and Gambit can't directly tell them that. It could work IF Marvel is willing to use the concept.

[4sake]

I hope he joins X-Force :biggrin:

[Shaid O Gray]

I've just started watching series 1. Naira's right, it's cool and their Gambit's pretty awesome

Cool. I hadn't seen Gambit in it yet.

There's nothing official confirming it, but Carey seemed to think Lowe had plans, presumably due to his restricted access to the character in the coming months. It could mean Lowe wants to include the character in a few projects later this year, or it could be nothing and Gambit just gets booted into limbo.

Well, that certainly wouldn't be the first time. Sadly. But if it's Limbo, then why not let Carey have him? Man, that would really prove anti-Gambit bias at Marvel is truly rampant.

Do: Make him the son of a supersitious cajun couple who abandoned the baby in fear after seeing his eyes.

Don't: The son/clone of Sinister/Scott or any relation to a pre-existing X-character.

AGREED! Ugh no more clones...please. Glad Carey didn't remotely go there in his 'Origins' shot.


Carey: I still want to have Gambit as part of the cast, but I’m not sure how far I’m going to be free to play out big character beats for him. I’d rather not use him than just use him as intermittent cannon fodder. I still feel I can do that – I mean, can bring him in convincingly and satisfyingly – but I don’t want to make promises and then not keep them.

Thanks for that, Mythog. Interesting. I agree about the intermittent cannon fodder thing. Wonder about that 'new direction' though.

Hopefully something like I've been pushing for years where Gambit out gathering information and relaying that back but maybe in a way that might not be obvious - ie if he's playing double agent like in Messiah complex, some of the X-Men might not know he's on their side and Gambit can't directly tell them that. It could work IF Marvel is willing to use the concept.

Oh, that would be a perfect setup! Perfect fit for Remy! And it would certainly fit with Cyclops' many under-the-table plans. And not all that different from Xavier's old batch of 'agents'. What was it called again?

[streator]

i think gambit works best as a character when he's on his own & helps the x-men out from time to time, kind of like he did in xxm. i could actually see him guesting in x-force if used properly.

[Naira K]

I hope he joins X-Force :biggrin:

I'd rather say X-Factor. Gambit is too moral to kill.But he'd make a good agent.

i think gambit works best as a character when he's on his own & helps the x-men out from time to time, kind of like he did in xxm. i could actually see him guesting in x-force if used properly.

Good idea, I'm hoping for that.

[AnodyneFlux]

I hope he joins X-Force :biggrin:

I always thought Gambit would be the most awesome spy/ intelligence gatherer if given the proper chance or motivation. Having him have a cameo in x-force could let him do essentially what he was trained to do from childhood. Plus I love Choi's Gambit and I'm curious to see Crain take a shot at him.

[Canemacar]

I’m trying to set something up in the Annual, mythogma. It’s just bouncing Gambit off in a different direction, and setting something up that I or another writer can then pay off.

Looks like the short he spoke of earlier was added to the script of the Annual, since Gambit wasn't previously a part of it.

He seems to be adding a few plot-hooks to the character in an effort to entice another writer to snatch him up(or possibly as a precursor to Lowe's plans if they do exist). I doubt it will work, most of the current creators seem to dislike him, but it was nice of him to make the effort I suppose.

I'd rather say X-Factor. Gambit is too moral to kill.But he'd make a good agent.

I wouldn't say he's too moral to kill; he had no problem coldly dispatching a few Marauders in his first ongoing. He typically has to have a good reason to do it though, and I don't think he'd buy Scott's justification for the existence of X-Force.

[Hi-Fi]

From Mike's blog:

Don’t – really, don’t – give up hope on the Gambit front. My back-up story for the Annual was approved, and it’s going to tease an ongoing mystery/crisis for Gambit, which will make it almost inevitable that you’ll see him again in a big role in 2010. Honest. I may even get to write it.

[Bolebeau]

I wouldn't say he's too moral to kill; he had no problem coldly dispatching a few Marauders in his first ongoing. He typically has to have a good reason to do it though, and I don't think he'd buy Scott's justification for the existence of X-Force.

Everyone coldly dispatches the Marauders. It's like a thing you just do when you're bored.

[Canemacar]

Everyone coldly dispatches the Marauders. It's like a thing you just do when you're bored.

Not everyone had just spent an entire issue thinking about their old friendship with one of them and visited their hometown in a fit of nostalgia.

[Rowenna]

From Mike's blog:

Let's cross our fingers ...

[timbox]

Mike Choi draws Gambit.

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/193/d/b/SD_Not_so_Blind_CC_by_mikechoi.jpg

http://mikechoi.deviantart.com/art/SD-Not-so-Blind-CC-129207468

[frog]

More Choi on X-books, please.

[Supercoolshay]

[QUOTE=timbox;9269087]Mike Choi draws Gambit.

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/193/d/b/SD_Not_so_Blind_CC_by_mikechoi.jpg

http://mikechoi.deviantart.com/art/SD-Not-so-Blind-CC-129207468[/QUOTE

YAY! I love Choi's Gambit from X-men 204.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/ShayL_Hansen/XMEN204.jpg

[Naira K]

Mike Choi draws Gambit.

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/193/d/b/SD_Not_so_Blind_CC_by_mikechoi.jpg

http://mikechoi.deviantart.com/art/SD-Not-so-Blind-CC-129207468

This is sooooo pretty! I love his work. X-men #204 is the prettiest cover ever to me. I even drew from it once.

[Rowenna]

Mike Choi draws Gambit.

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/193/d/b/SD_Not_so_Blind_CC_by_mikechoi.jpg

http://mikechoi.deviantart.com/art/SD-Not-so-Blind-CC-129207468

More of this please

[eggie]

Mike Choi draws a great Gambit! I would love to see Gambit on guest star in X-Force as like a scout on a particular mission...maybe its like black ops and he can find the point of entry and have various escape plans in play for him and the team...and drawn by Mike Choi please!

[witness]

I hope he joins X-Force :biggrin:


I'd like to see him lead a darker version of x-force where the philosophy was the ends justify the means.

My x-force:
Gambit
Mystique
Sunfire
Bishop
Juggernaut
Lady Mastermind

[witness]

I always thought Gambit would be the most awesome spy/ intelligence gatherer if given the proper chance or motivation. Having him have a cameo in x-force could let him do essentially what he was trained to do from childhood. Plus I love Choi's Gambit and I'm curious to see Crain take a shot at him.

This would be awesome but how about sabotage. I'd say his mutant ability has to be perfect for that! You could also have him liasing with the criminal underworld (kingpin etc) occasionally having to clash with the likes of spiderman (amongst others) over clashed interests.

[timbox]

Gambit by David Yardin:

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs46/f/2009/196/0/6/Gambit_Commission_by_davidyardin.jpg
http://davidyardin.deviantart.com/art/Gambit-Commission-129660361

[Canemacar]

Mike Choi draws a great Gambit! I would love to see Gambit on guest star in X-Force as like a scout on a particular mission...maybe its like black ops and he can find the point of entry and have various escape plans in play for him and the team...and drawn by Mike Choi please!

Thats sounds fun. Even moreso if he's written with his old devil-may-care attitude. The rest of the team would be busy being all grim and gritty except Gambit who's cracking jokes and generally having a great time as they break into top secret compounds and stealthily eliminate guards and such.

[eggie]

Thats sounds fun. Even moreso if he's written with his old devil-may-care attitude. The rest of the team would be busy being all grim and gritty except Gambit who's cracking jokes and generally having a great time as they break into top secret compounds and stealthily eliminate guards and such.

Perfect...that would be so perfect!!!

[witness]

Would anyone else like to see a witness limited series? It could look into how the days of future past came about. How Gambit became witness,how he amassed all his power and what happened to the world after the x-mens deaths. Just think it would be an interesting idea to explore. what happened to the heroes (non-mutants) in this time. The main x-men might have been murdered but what about the other x-groups. What was cable's reaction to his fathers death and how did magneto react (i suspect magneto would see it as an act of war). What was mr sinisters reaction to losing his personal obsession (scott summers) and what about apocalypse in this time (doubt he'd have put up with mutant branding and "camps") and how did the humans win the mutant- human war. just leaves a lot of unanswered questions to me that never seemed to get covered in bishops various limited series.

[4sake]

Would anyone else like to see a witness limited series? It could look into how the days of future past came about. How Gambit became witness,how he amassed all his power and what happened to the world after the x-mens deaths. Just think it would be an interesting idea to explore. what happened to the heroes (non-mutants) in this time. The main x-men might have been murdered but what about the other x-groups. What was cable's reaction to his fathers death and how did magneto react (i suspect magneto would see it as an act of war). What was mr sinisters reaction to losing his personal obsession (scott summers) and what about apocalypse in this time (doubt he'd have put up with mutant branding and "camps") and how did the humans win the mutant- human war. just leaves a lot of unanswered questions to me that never seemed to get covered in bishops various limited series.

Yes I also would like to see/read about that. :biggrin:

[f4faith]

Would anyone else like to see a witness limited series?

I might have years ago when the Bishop future/Witness concept wasn't so messed up and contridictatory.

Note that now in Bishop's history, he as a kid realizes that the Witness is a "time traveler" or "unstuck in time" nor is it implied like it was early on that the Witness is as powerful and cunning as he was originally shown, that Scott Summers in not dead in Bishop's future as he once was but is living with yet another one of his kids Ruby Summers, and the whole death of the X-Men has been supplanted by millions being killed by the "Messiah Baby".

[MichaelChen]

Do: Make him the son of a supersitious cajun couple who abandoned the baby in fear after seeing his eyes.


Cajuns are not a superstitious people.

[witness]

I might have years ago when the Bishop future/Witness concept wasn't so messed up and contridictatory.

Note that now in Bishop's history, he as a kid realizes that the Witness is a "time traveler" or "unstuck in time" nor is it implied like it was early on that the Witness is as powerful and cunning as he was originally shown, that Scott Summers in not dead in Bishop's future as he once was but is living with yet another one of his kids Ruby Summers, and the whole death of the X-Men has been supplanted by millions being killed by the "Messiah Baby".

To be honest i think that marvel are going to wuss out of the millions killed and have it turn out that millions were changed back to mutants because of the "messiah baby".
I do wonder why if summers was alive he was so inactive and it would still be interesting to see sinisters role during this time. Was sinister one of the reasons witness became who he was. We know that the witness could be unstuck in time because Gambit acquired the momentary princess and also that a fully powered gambit can use his powers to time travel anyway so i don't think its that messed up and contradicted.

[witness]

Yes I also would like to see/read about that. :biggrin:

Handled properly it would make a truly great limited series. Have to get fabian nicenza to write it however :biggrin:

[Slant]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/100/1006001/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2-20090721035824425_640w.jpg

There's a video up also.

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14233937/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/videos/sdcc09_marvel2_trl_gambit_72109.html;jsessionid=e7 ilk19b1jtts

[eggie]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/100/1006001/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2-20090721035824425_640w.jpg

There's a video up also.

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14233937/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/videos/sdcc09_marvel2_trl_gambit_72109.html;jsessionid=e7 ilk19b1jtts

Thats a cool looking Gambit!

[streator]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/100/1006001/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2-20090721035824425_640w.jpg

There's a video up also.

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14233937/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/videos/sdcc09_marvel2_trl_gambit_72109.html;jsessionid=e7 ilk19b1jtts

i watched this earlier today and was going to post a link. it looks alright. i got ultimate alliance 1 with my xbox 360 & haven't really played it much to be honest. i kind of doubt that i'll check out ultimate alliance 2 but we'll see.

was gambit in the x-men: origins wolverine game that came out earlier this year? that game looks more interesting to me.

[4sake]

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.8903.SDCC_2009~colon~_New_MUA_2_Scree nshots~excl~

[DJSCARLET]

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14233938/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/videos/sdcc09_marvel2_trl_gambit_72109.html
Dear Mr.Carey and Marvel writers,
Please take note. Kick ass Gambit is the only way Gambit should EVER be written.

[4sake]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/100/1006001/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2-20090721035824425_640w.jpg

There's a video up also.

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14233937/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/videos/sdcc09_marvel2_trl_gambit_72109.html;jsessionid=e7 ilk19b1jtts

He needs to wear this in the 616...

[4sake]

http://www.newsarama.com/games/070923-MUA2New.html

[Mia]

Where does the 'white devil' monicker come from?

[timbox]

Where does the 'white devil' monicker come from?

I like your new avatar, Mia.

[AcesX1X]

Where does the 'white devil' monicker come from?

roots, mia. ROOTS.

[Mia]

I like your new avatar, Mia.

Thank you Timmy, I'm playing with different archetypes based on the book 'The Corporate Dominatrix'.

[timbox]

Thank you Timmy, I'm playing with different archetypes based on the book 'The Corporate Dominatrix'.

I love that book. I wish Lisa Robyn would write one that focused on social life, too.

[eggie]

Where does the 'white devil' monicker come from?

Becuase he was born with red eyes he was called Le Diable Blanc.

I love Gambit and wish Carey would use him in Legacy instead of Rogue, but having him as a supporting character is better than not having him at all.

Jim Lee and Steve Skroce are my favorite Gambit artists...the Nicieza/Skroce Gambit series was amazing...I really loved when they were on that series together.

[witness]

Just been pondering over where Gambit should be taken next. I'd like them to explore his powers more. Technically he is an Omega class mutant and it would be fun to see how he dealt with them back to full strength without "Mister" Sinister to turn too. Also have we ever found out what happened in that theatre in seattle? Its been bugging me since the middle of the nineties.

[Red Lotus]

Just been pondering over where Gambit should be taken next. I'd like them to explore his powers more. Technically he is an Omega class mutant and it would be fun to see how he dealt with them back to full strength without "Mister" Sinister to turn too. Also have we ever found out what happened in that theatre in seattle? Its been bugging me since the middle of the nineties.

Was that where Sinister and the Marauders were at when Sinister gave him back the canister.

[eggie]

Just been pondering over where Gambit should be taken next. I'd like them to explore his powers more. Technically he is an Omega class mutant and it would be fun to see how he dealt with them back to full strength without "Mister" Sinister to turn too. Also have we ever found out what happened in that theatre in seattle? Its been bugging me since the middle of the nineties.

Ooh, you're right, there has never been an answer to what transpired in that rundown Seattle theatre to my knowledge...that was a great issue, Andy Kubert so rocked when he was on X-Men!

And what was up with Sinister at the end telling Remy "soon you will have to play the hand I dealt you"? I don't think we ever found out what that meant! I have always assumed that Gambit didn't meet Storm by accident, the impression I got when I read the end of that issue (#45 i think) is that Sinister somehow arranged for Gambit and Storm to meet so Gambit could get on the X-Men...if you remember in those early days Gambit was always trying to get information about the other X-Men without revealing anything about himself...I don't know, that's just my theory...maybe I read too much into things.

Um...go GAMBIT!!!

[witness]

Ooh, you're right, there has never been an answer to what transpired in that rundown Seattle theatre to my knowledge...that was a great issue, Andy Kubert so rocked when he was on X-Men!

And what was up with Sinister at the end telling Remy "soon you will have to play the hand I dealt you"? I don't think we ever found out what that meant! I have always assumed that Gambit didn't meet Storm by accident, the impression I got when I read the end of that issue (#45 i think) is that Sinister somehow arranged for Gambit and Storm to meet so Gambit could get on the X-Men...if you remember in those early days Gambit was always trying to get information about the other X-Men without revealing anything about himself...I don't know, that's just my theory...maybe I read too much into things.

Um...go GAMBIT!!!

The original plan for gambit was If i remember correctly that there was meant to be some powerful mutant child that used different forms to operate in the world. This was why Mr sinister was made to look like something a child would be scared of because he was the "Threatening" form of this child and Gambit was another form which the child created to interact with the x-men. When Gambits popularity took off they scrapped this plan. I'm sure it was Chris Claremont who said about it in an interview once. x-men #45 was an excellent issue. You're absolutely right about the end of it though that was never covered either. I guess this is the problem with having a high turnover of writers.

[witness]

Was that where Sinister and the Marauders were at when Sinister gave him back the canister.

When you see sinister give him the canister in Uncanny #350 it looks more like a church or a cathedral than a theatre.

[Nathan]

When you see sinister give him the canister in Uncanny #350 it looks more like a church or a cathedral than a theatre.

it was a church and in X-Men Origins Gambit it was a church again this time the maruders were there too, great job by Carey on contanuity

[eggie]

This page fell to page 5 of this forum so here I am....bump.

Jim Lee, Marc Silvestri, Steve Skroce, Joe Mad, Salvador Larocca, Leniel F. Yu, David Yardin, and Mike Choi draw the best Gambit in my opinion. I would love to see Travis Charest and Dustin Nguyen take a shot at Gambit someday.

I like the costume Skroce drew for Gambit in his ongoing, it was previewed in an issue of either Uncanny or Adjectiveless which featured Storm, Kitty, Gambit, and the Juggernaut, but then in the series they keep Gambit's classic costume and used the one created by Skroce for a teenage Gambit when he was helping his cousin Etienne and they got captured by Candra and turned over to the Pig.

[Naira K]

I liked Bachalo's Gambit lots. It would also be cool if Scottie Young ever drew him.

[Fionnuala]

Skroce's Gambit was... delightful. To look at.

[streator]

why did cc make gambit's name remy picard in x-men forever?

[streator]

It would also be cool if Scottie Young ever drew him.

i found these two using google:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4962/youngf.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/i/youngf.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1991/cdp42cover.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/cdp42cover.jpg/)

[Naira K]

i found these two using google:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4962/youngf.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/i/youngf.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1991/cdp42cover.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/cdp42cover.jpg/)

OHMYGOD I knew it's gonna look good! Thank you, streator! Please please can Young draw Legacy? Why Acuna???

[Nathan]

why did cc make gambit's name remy picard in x-men forever?

i thinks it a joke for the Gambit fans , because Remys father is called Jean luc le Beau, and Gambit is a fan of star trek ,Jean luc Picard ring a bell :)

[Naira K]

Remy Picard sounds so... boring.
Remy Etienne LeBeau is tons better.

[streator]

OHMYGOD I knew it's gonna look good! Thank you, streator! Please please can Young draw Legacy? Why Acuna???

not a problem. that second image is the uncolored version of cable & deadpool # 42's cover if i remember correctly.

i thinks it a joke for the Gambit fans , because Remys father is called Jean luc le Beau, and Gambit is a fan of star trek ,Jean luc Picard ring a bell :)

i don't follow star trek, so, no. i don't read x-men forever either so it doesn't really matter. i was just curious.

[mythog]

why did cc make gambit's name remy picard in x-men forever?

CC stated in an interview a while back that it is a fake name. He commented that Remy has as many names as he has passports or something like that.

[eggie]

CC stated in an interview a while back that it is a fake name. He commented that Remy has as many names as he has passports or something like that.

Good to know...I don't like the Picard thing either because it makes me think of ST:TNG...otherwise X-Men Forever is suprisingly good, any who aren't reading it should check it out in trade at the very least. Right now its the only place where I can get Gambit on a monthly basis.

[witness]

[QUOTE=eggie;9436105]Good to know...I don't like the Picard thing either because it makes me think of ST:TNG...otherwise X-Men Forever is suprisingly good, any who aren't reading it should check it out in trade at the very least. Right now its the only place where I can get Gambit on a monthly basis.[/QUOTE


I shall have to start reading it. Does anyone have an idea why gambit has been marginalised so much in the past couple of years? Just recently its felt like his existence in the x-books is just to fawn over rogue.

[f4faith]

Does anyone have an idea why gambit has been marginalised so much in the past couple of years? Just recently its felt like his existence in the x-books is just to fawn over rogue.

The same reason a number of characters like Psylocke, Northstar, Storm, and Bishop have been marginalized or basically shipped off to other books as supporting characters or a crazed villain in Bishop's case. Nearly the entire writing staff of the X-books has the same connection and tastes in characters - ie right now if you are not Cyclops or Wolverine (or Emma as Cyclops' hot cheer leader), you might as well just grin and bare it or basically stop reading most of it as I have.

The only exceptions to that is PAD and his look at obscure characters and Carey who is a Rogue, Mystique, Iceman fan and at least is willing to use Gambit but as he has a way better connection to Rogue so his attempts at Gambit come from his connection to her first. Carey gets the idea of the character but he struggles to connect as well with Gambit as he does the ones previously mentioned.

If there was ever an example of why comic companies need diversity, the X-books and Marvel in general are it right now. Their focus is so narrow minded that there is no diversity in their casts or books. Scott has become the be all end all of everything mutant and by default he's taken over every role.

[Dr-Strange]

Chuck Austen ruined Gambit for me, Carey is starting to pick him up again a bit but I used to really like the character.

Despite being from the Austen run here is my favourite Gambit cover to mind...

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/x-men/163-1.jpg

[eggie]

Chuck Austen ruined Gambit for me, Carey is starting to pick him up again a bit but I used to really like the character.

Despite being from the Austen run here is my favourite Gambit cover to mind...

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/x-men/163-1.jpg

That is one of my all-time favorite Gambit drawings...i just think it looks really cool!

I don't think Austen ruined Gambit, i think it was Milligan who took over that book. Austen was setting up something interesting with the character when Gambit went blind and then was getting glimpes of the immediate future when he looked at a charged card, I think Claremont wiped that out using Sage in the issue after Austen left and before Milligan came on board.

I blame Milligan for hurting Gambit the most because he is the one who turned Gambit into the horseman Death with fart powers, that to me is what really messed Gambit up, if Milligan hadn't done that i think we'ld be seeing more of Gambit right now...just my opinion though.

[Dr-Strange]

Sorry!

You're right, I actually liked Austen's short lived run on this book.

It was Milligan I meant to say!

I dropped all X-books because of Milligan, the storys were just so awful but Milligan pushed me over the edge.

Peter David's Madrox series and then X-Factor were all I was reading from the line around that time.

[eggie]

I am not a fan of Milligan's run on the title either, actually thought Austen was better. It was so sad because I was so excited to get a team with Gambit, Rogue, Iceman, and Havok. What happened to Gambit was awful and completely out of left field...there is no way Gambit would think he could become a horseman and still be an x-man and keep an eye on Apocalypse, he knows that didn't happen for Wolvie and Warren. Oh well, at least Remy is starting to come around again, that all that counts I guess.

[Nathan]

if you read the new solicits for Legacy looks like Remy is going down a dark road

[4sake]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/X_MEN__LEGACY_229gambit.jpg

X-MEN LEGACY #229
Written by Mike Carey
Penciled by Ibraim Roberson & Daniel Acuna
Cover by MIRCO PIERFEDERICI
As Rogue continues her mission, Gambit goes on one of his own. His mission will push him down a dark road that will shock X-Fans everywhere!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

[mikeb]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/X_MEN__LEGACY_229gambit.jpg

X-MEN LEGACY #229
Written by Mike Carey
Penciled by Ibraim Roberson & Daniel Acuna
Cover by MIRCO PIERFEDERICI
As Rogue continues her mission, Gambit goes on one of his own. His mission will push him down a dark road that will shock X-Fans everywhere!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

Why does ol' Remy's face look so GOOFY? Like he's strung out on dope or something?:tongue:

[eggie]

A dark road, huh...wonder what that means. I will just have to put my faith in Mike Carey and see where this leads. On the bright side it seems like the entire issue will be devoted to Remy so thats good. I think the cover looks cool, I don't know the artist who is doing the interior though, guess I'll have to wait.

[streator]

if you read the new solicits for Legacy looks like Remy is going down a dark road

A dark road, huh...wonder what that means. I will just have to put my faith in Mike Carey and see where this leads. On the bright side it seems like the entire issue will be devoted to Remy so thats good. I think the cover looks cool, I don't know the artist who is doing the interior though, guess I'll have to wait.

it could be something cool like trying to find out what happened to miss sinister or something. i like gambit separate from whatever students are going to be in legacy but i hope he isn't more or less written out of the book.

also, the artist on this issue worked on the x-men origins: gambit one-shot from last month or so if you read that.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

it could be something cool like trying to find out what happened to miss sinister or something. i like gambit separate from whatever students are going to be in legacy but i hope he isn't more or less written out of the book.

also, the artist on this issue worked on the x-men origins: gambit one-shot from last month or so if you read that.

I hope this is the end of Gambit and Rogue. He's dead weight and needs to go

[f4faith]

I hope this is the end of Gambit and Rogue. He's dead weight and needs to go

Naira - You should be proud. The appreciation thread managed to get 12 pages before someone childish had to prove it by showing they can't read the title of a thread and act accordingly, and surprise, surprise, it's an Emma fan. :tongue:

As for the dark road, I hope it is something he's investigating that becomes an issue for the X-Men not something dark about Gambit. "Traitor" Gambit has been done to Death - literally.:biggrin:

Though I don't think this issue will be all Gambit (Rogue does have her story going and it is "her" book), I hope this means maybe we'll be seeing a sort of building substory in Legacy that could have Gambit interact with the other X-Men and bring some mystery to the book.

[Nathan]

I hope this is the end of Gambit and Rogue. He's dead weight and needs to go

agreed get him away from that whiney emo Rogue so he can finally start living ,He should kill all the X-Men too while he's at it

[streator]

i was paging through some gambit back issues and came across the 2000 annual- man did that issue have some ugly artwork.

skroce's gambit holds up nicely, though. i actually like paquette's work better back then compared to his more recent stuff, too.

[eggie]

I am not familiar with Paquette's recent work, I just remember him from the later issues of the Gambit ongoing. What has he worked on recently?

[Nathan]

so um this weeks Legacy was a pile of shit Gambit had his ass handed to him again ,man ive lost count of how many time's Carey has had Gambit get his butt kicked

[streator]

I am not familiar with Paquette's recent work, I just remember him from the later issues of the Gambit ongoing. What has he worked on recently?

he did the first young x-men arc, a recent uncanny issue (512 i think), the x-men: civil war mini... probably other stuff i'm forgetting.

[eggie]

he did the first young x-men arc, a recent uncanny issue (512 i think), the x-men: civil war mini... probably other stuff i'm forgetting.

I will have to pull out that issue of Uncanny and the X-Men civil war mini to check out his art...thanks for the info!

[witness]

so um this weeks Legacy was a pile of shit Gambit had his ass handed to him again ,man ive lost count of how many time's Carey has had Gambit get his butt kicked

Just got back from holiday and after reading this issue it feels like my worst fears are being realised. Gambit is not only having his ass handed to him regularly, he also seems incapable of Independant thought. It seems that rogue has to tell him to do EVERYTHING! Gambit was originally written as a character who might not have the most powerful mutant ability but his street smarts, fighting skills and all round cunning made him a match for far more powerful adversaries. His recent appearances in Legacy seem to suggest sinister has lobotomized the rest of his brain leaving him a simpering vegetable who needs constant direction from rogue.
To be honest i'm one step away from abandoning x-titles all together (its not just their handling of gambit thats getting on my nerves, for so called team books the x-men seem to rely on wolverine and x-23 to save the day constantly and don't get me started on the overuse of cyclops) but shall postpone my decision until i see whats planned in legacy 229.

[eggie]

It's weird that the guy who said "Bang you dead" to Wolverine is now getting his butt handed to him...you're right, it doesn't make sense, he used to be an individual and not a follower, his own man and could handle himself quite well in any situation...that doesn't seem to be the case now and its frustrating. I was very hopeful when Mike Carey said he planned on using Gambit but now, not so much :(

I miss Gambit!

[witness]

The same reason a number of characters like Psylocke, Northstar, Storm, and Bishop have been marginalized or basically shipped off to other books as supporting characters or a crazed villain in Bishop's case. Nearly the entire writing staff of the X-books has the same connection and tastes in characters - ie right now if you are not Cyclops or Wolverine (or Emma as Cyclops' hot cheer leader), you might as well just grin and bare it or basically stop reading most of it as I have.

The only exceptions to that is PAD and his look at obscure characters and Carey who is a Rogue, Mystique, Iceman fan and at least is willing to use Gambit but as he has a way better connection to Rogue so his attempts at Gambit come from his connection to her first. Carey gets the idea of the character but he struggles to connect as well with Gambit as he does the ones previously mentioned.

If there was ever an example of why comic companies need diversity, the X-books and Marvel in general are it right now. Their focus is so narrow minded that there is no diversity in their casts or books. Scott has become the be all end all of everything mutant and by default he's taken over every role.

I actually think you can pinpoint the moment when the "Team" aspect seemed to be thrown into the bin. It was after the release of the first x-men movie that marvel started to basically put all their focus on wolverine and rogue. It seems to me since then they're writing the x-books with the johnny come lately Movie-Comics fans rather than the loyal fanbase that existed before. Thus the marginalisation of characters who hadn't appeared in the movies/cartoon. In fact now i think about it the best example of what i'm talking about is the title of the latest cartoon, "WOLVERINE and the x-men" says it all.

[witness]

It's weird that the guy who said "Bang you dead" to Wolverine is now getting his butt handed to him...you're right, it doesn't make sense, he used to be an individual and not a follower, his own man and could handle himself quite well in any situation...that doesn't seem to be the case now and its frustrating. I was very hopeful when Mike Carey said he planned on using Gambit but now, not so much :(

I miss Gambit!

Maybe we should start a bring back the real gambit thread/petition :biggrin:

[eggie]

Maybe we should start a bring back the real gambit thread/petition :biggrin:

I would be all over that!! :smile:

[eggie]

I finally got X-Men Origins: Gambit and loved it! David Yardin's art is fantastic...he draws a great Gambit/Remy! I enjoyed the story, not a lot of new material, but it was still enjoyable.

[4sake]

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9340.Watcher_World_Prem~dot~~colon~_X-Men_Legacy_Annual

[Hi-Fi]

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It says I need to log in to view, even though I'm already logged in! Could you please cut and paste the text and the pictures? Thanks!

[coveredinbees]

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[Hi-Fi]

Thanks a bunch, coveredinbees! I wonder why the hell I wasn't able to view it.

There's also a new image here next to the link to the article, but I guess it wasn't included in it.
http://marvel.com/news/comics

[witness]

This Thread has dropped a little low for my liking so thought i'd pose a few questions. What do YOU the fans want next from Gambit? How would you like to see Marvel use him next? Does he fit in with any of the current x-teams or would he be better as a lone wolf?

Personally speaking I would like marvel to use him to help bring Bishop back into the x-fold so to speak. Their relationship always intrigued me and if anyone were to understand and sympathise with bishops current situation it would be Remy.Then I think they could further delve into Bishops past/Gambits future and answer some of the hanging plot threads such as if Bishop stopped the traitor then wouldn't he have ceased to exist in the current x-timeline (Witness saved Bishop as a child,Bishop stopped the x-traitor thereby surely meaning Gambit never became witness as he wasn't the last surviving x-man meaning he'd have never saved Bishop therefore Bishop wouldn't have gone back in time to stop the x-traitor. Phew! Paradoxes really make my head hurt :biggrin: )

[eggie]

Yeah, I always liked the dynamic of them together, especially after Onslaught because then they became friends instead of Bishop watching Remy's every move. I think you have a good idea, Remy would be the best choice to bring Bishop back, but i don't see that happening soon with Hope still out there with Cable. And I agree, time paradoxes give me a splitting headache!!

I would like to see Gambit as a lone wolf who doesn't join a particular team, but helps various X-Teams with their missions. He could work with X-Force one month using his skills as a thief and helping them to infiltrate something...and then maybe X-Factor needs help on a case that takes them to New Orleans and who knows that city better than Gambit. Just doing various jobs with different teams, not every month but every so often and when he's not appearing in one of the X-Titles they should do a Gambit mini focusing on what he does in between missions for the X-teams and what not.

Yes, this page fell way too far back for my taste...we have to keep Gambit in people's minds so his page has to be on the first page of the X-Thread.

Eggie

[witness]

I Think definitely for now he would be better on the fringes aiding the various x-teams as and when. A new limited series in the mean time would be perfect. I'd like them to have another stab at a Gambit/Bishop Limited series as the last one always struck me as a wasted opportunity, here you have 2 characters with a combined history/future to explore and they wasted it with an average story about bishop being possessed by the bete noir. To top it all off they bring in Cable and Stryfe to the mix (Stryfe is probably my least favourite x-villain of all time,I had high hopes for executioners song and we have this villain who is supposed to be messing with Cable, Apocalypse and Sinister but spends the whole time whining about how he didn't get any love from Cyclops and Jean/madelyne pryor). Here's hoping when they do bring Bishop back they give it another go. Still with the Disney news its anyone's guess what direction they will be taking. I shudder at the thought of a reimagining of Aladdin in the X-men universe starring Gambit in the title role :biggrin: I realise i'm starting to sound like a Bishop fanatic but it irritates me the way Marvel have handled that character lately much in the same way as Gambit (I personally think the Hope plotline is out of character for Bishop. I loved Messiah complex but i did think Bishops role in it didn't feel right. Lets face it if he's willing to kill a kid to stop the future he would have no qualms in terminating a thief on a suspicion).

[4sake]

What I want for Gambit

I. I want him to join cast of Doctor Voodoo: Avenger of the Supernatural & to appear maybe monthly there or every other month. Also I want show in X-Men: Legacy, X-Factor X-Force & Uncanny X-Men (every few months/story arcs.), but not to be on the active X-men roster (But still have be a X-men & have him help out every once in a while.)

2. I'm indifferent to if Rouge & he continue dating.

3. I want his origins told. I want his birth parents reveled.I like that Utl. Gambit father was hinted to be Mister Sinister, I would be find if that happen in the 616. I don't want him to be a Summer's brother. I can live with him being a cousin threw blood or threw marriage (say one of his grandparent/great grandparent married a summer or something like that), but not Alex, Scott & Gabriel Summer brother & Christopher and Katherine Summers son lol.

4. Maybe at some point get his another ongoing or co-feature (with another active/inactive X-man)

5. To stop wearing bright clothing forever!!!!!!! lol

6. I want it to be explain how he knew about Hope/Mutant Messiah ("One Minute Before Dawn"/The Mutant Messiah's about to turn up.") being born & etc.

7. I want Bishop & Gambit to be friends. Also to talk more about their older brother & young brother/father & son relationship that they had in Bishop future & etc.

[Yunlee]

Awesome commission done by Mike Choi

http://www.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_4386/subcat_7244/Gambit_Choi.jpg

[eggie]

Awesome commission done by Mike Choi

http://www.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_4386/subcat_7244/Gambit_Choi.jpg

His Gambit always rocks! If Marvel were to do another Gambit series or mini I would want Mike Choi to be the penciller.

[ILoveX23]

Gambit has the coolest name "Remy Lebeau" .....besides Laura ofcourse.

[witness]

What I want for Gambit

I. I want him to join cast of Doctor Voodoo: Avenger of the Supernatural & to appear maybe monthly there or every other month. Also I want show in X-Men: Legacy, X-Factor X-Force & Uncanny X-Men (every few months/story arcs.), but not to be on the active X-men roster (But still have be a X-men & have him help out every once in a while.)

2. I'm indifferent to if Rouge & he continue dating.

3. I want his origins told. I want his birth parents reveled.I like that Utl. Gambit father was hinted to be Mister Sinister, I would be find if that happen in the 616. I don't want him to be a Summer's brother. I can live with him being a cousin threw blood or threw marriage (say one of his grandparent/great grandparent married a summer or something like that), but not Alex, Scott & Gabriel Summer brother & Christopher and Katherine Summers son lol.

4. Maybe at some point get his another ongoing or co-feature (with another active/inactive X-man)

5. To stop wearing bright clothing forever!!!!!!! lol

6. I want it to be explain how he knew about Hope/Mutant Messiah ("One Minute Before Dawn"/The Mutant Messiah's about to turn up.") being born & etc.

7. I want Bishop & Gambit to be friends. Also to talk more about their older brother & young brother/father & son relationship that they had in Bishop future & etc.

With regards to his heritage the whole third summers brother thing was a smokescreen by marvel put to rest by the emergence of vulcan (Gabriel summers) so thankfully that one has been laid to rest. Since then the only hints we seem to have had are in x-men blood of apocalypse when apoccy mentioned gambit had a "unique heritage" that made him more suitable as an x-men leader than a bit part x-character. As far as Sinister goes this has been used in one of the parallel marvel earths (i forget which number) so i'd be suprised if that happened in earth 616 (he's bound to be involved somehow though). As for the mutant messiah thing i always assumed as he was working for sinister (albeit undercover) at the time that was where he got the info from.

[4sake]

With regards to his heritage the whole third summers brother thing was a smokescreen by marvel put to rest by the emergence of vulcan (Gabriel summers) so thankfully that one has been laid to rest. Since then the only hints we seem to have had are in x-men blood of apocalypse when apoccy mentioned gambit had a "unique heritage" that made him more suitable as an x-men leader than a bit part x-character. As far as Sinister goes this has been used in one of the parallel marvel earths (i forget which number) so i'd be suprised if that happened in earth 616 (he's bound to be involved somehow though). As for the mutant messiah thing i always assumed as he was working for sinister (albeit undercover) at the time that was where he got the info from.

I can't rest easy till they (marvel/writers) say someone other than Christopher and Katherine Summers are his birth parents lol. Hey they might decide they want a 4th & 5th & 6th Summer brother at some point.


Yeah when apocalypse said that the 1st name that came to my mine is Prof. X , then Mr.Sinister or someone from the Clan Akkaba so maybe he related to one of the above. Also I also had/have the felling that he was some how related to Fontanelle (Gloria Dayne) & Black Womb (Amanda Mueller)


I figured the same, but I'd like for it go into more detail & for Scott or someone to sy thanks for the heads up & etc.

[Midnightblue]

I think it would be okay if they made him sinister's son, but not clone or Summer's brother. It was good in The End but in 616 it would be strange.
But after all these years it would be nice to know his origin.

[witness]

I can't rest easy till they (marvel/writers) say someone other than Christopher and Katherine Summers are his birth parents lol. Hey they might decide they want a 4th & 5th & 6th Summer brother at some point.


Yeah when apocalypse said that the 1st name that came to my mine is Prof. X , then Mr.Sinister or someone from the Clan Akkaba so maybe he related to one of the above. Also I also had/have the felling that he was some how related to Fontanelle (Gloria Dayne) & Black Womb (Amanda Mueller)


I figured the same, but I'd like for it go into more detail & for Scott or someone to sy thanks for the heads up & etc.

I shudder at the thought of any more Summers brothers:biggrin: .

You were given that feeling about Black Womb/Fontanelle in the Gambit on-going but could that be explained by his Time travelling issues in that series (I incidentally really loved the character of Fontanelle, has she ever appeared since the Gambit on-going?).

As for Mister Sinister as the father it would be kind of cool if Gambit turned out to be a genetic clone of Nathaniel Essex's dead son adam (from "The further adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix-the origin of Mr Sinister" an excellent LS in my humble opinion).

[witness]

I think it would be okay if they made him sinister's son, but not clone or Summer's brother. It was good in The End but in 616 it would be strange.
But after all these years it would be nice to know his origin.

See my previous post for how I'd like to see him be related to Sinister were that the case, but out of nerdy interest what Number was the Earth in X-men:The end? I don't know about it being strange in 616 so much as a little too predictable. Whilst it might be nice to know his origin after all these years part of me worries that when his heritage is revealed it will take some of the mystique (no pun intended) out of the character

[eggie]

See my previous post for how I'd like to see him be related to Sinister were that the case, but out of nerdy interest what Number was the Earth in X-men:The end? I don't know about it being strange in 616 so much as a little too predictable. Whilst it might be nice to know his origin after all these years part of me worries that when his heritage is revealed it will take some of the mystique (no pun intended) out of the character

I agree, I want to know who his birth parents are, but at the same time I also think it will take about the mystery behind the character. Look at Wolverine, his past is being revealed, which is something I always wanted, and, aside from the Origin mini which I loved, I could care less and dropped W:Origins after the first arc.

I think there needs to be a little mystery surronding Gambit, so I hope Marvel keeps his true heritage under wraps a while longer.

X-Men:The End and GeNEXT take place on Earth 4101.

[4sake]

I shudder at the thought of any more Summers brothers:biggrin: .

You were given that feeling about Black Womb/Fontanelle in the Gambit on-going but could that be explained by his Time travelling issues in that series (I incidentally really loved the character of Fontanelle, has she ever appeared since the Gambit on-going?).

As for Mister Sinister as the father it would be kind of cool if Gambit turned out to be a genetic clone of Nathaniel Essex's dead son adam (from "The further adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix-the origin of Mr Sinister" an excellent LS in my humble opinion).

If they wanted it wouldn't be that hard for them to make Adam Neramani 4th summer brother (even with Vulcan now reveled. Also Essex said summers brothers so that could be more than 3 lol.. )

Yeah it just could explained by time travelling, but it is/was always weird to me how Gambit see to know or meet up with random Summers ppl (both Black Womb & Fontanelle are Summers)sometimes it seem like he know more Summer ppl than Scott & Alex do.See my fear Can't you see someone running with that & making him Chris Summer son (They'd say he cheated of on Scott & Alex mom or something like that before Shi'ar Empire took them & etc) :mad:

No Fontanelle hasn't been seen since then I don't believe, but Mr.Carey said he wanted to used her but he didn't get a chance.

I never read that story... How did Adam Essex died? Ive all hated the idea of him being made a clone of some else. (can't you just see someone making him the clone of Scott/Alex/Sinister in the 616) :eek: :frown:

I think it would be cool if Gambit was some how related to Faye Livingstone (The only woman that Sinister was said to be in love with)
Also that could explain why Sinister is less of a dick to Gambit not to say he nice to Gambit, but he usually nice her to him than he to others (by nicer I mean he hasn't been clone or killed by Sinister yet )

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2290

I know the story says she never married/never had children, but you could aways just say to his (Sinister) knowledge she didn't or something like that. or you could say that during of his 1 of his once a years visits he injected her with some of his DnA. An some time later (whatever works with marvel sliding time ) the nurses discover her being pregnant & taken her far away ( to New Orleans with could be her home town or something like that) to have the baby (Gambit ). Then he (Gambit)get kidnapped from the hospital & etc by the Thieves' Guild. While at this was going on you can just say Sinister was out ruining people lives like always & etc.

[eggie]

I think it would be cool if Gambit was some how related to Faye Livingstone (The only woman that Sinister was said to be in love with)
Also that could explain why Sinister is less of a dick to Gambit not to say he nice to Gambit, but he usually nice her to him than he to others (by nicer I mean he hasn't been clone or killed by Sinister yet )

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2290

I know the story says she never married/never had children, but you could aways just say to his (Sinister) knowledge she didn't or something like that. or you could say that during of his 1 of his once a years visits he injected her with some of his DnA. An some time later (whatever works with marvel sliding time ) the nurses discover her being pregnant & taken her far away ( to New Orleans with could be her home town or something like that) to have the baby (Gambit ). Then he (Gambit)get kidnapped from the hospital & etc by the Thieves' Guild. While at this was going on you can just say Sinister was out ruining people lives like always & etc.

I think you may have something with this...maybe Sinister took created Remy as a test-tube baby using Faye's eggs and his own sperm...I could live with that. Also, I always thought it would be cool if Jean-Luc was actually his father and had to kidnap his own son...I thought that would be interesting. Oddly though, we've never seen Jean-Luc's wife...is she dead or what?

Hopefully, they will keep his biological parentage underwraps a little longer tho, to keep the mystery surronding Gambit and his past intact.

[4sake]

I think you may have something with this...maybe Sinister took created Remy as a test-tube baby using Faye's eggs and his own sperm...I could live with that. Also, I always thought it would be cool if Jean-Luc was actually his father and had to kidnap his own son...I thought that would be interesting. Oddly though, we've never seen Jean-Luc's wife...is she dead or what?

Hopefully, they will keep his biological parentage underwraps a little longer tho, to keep the mystery surronding Gambit and his past intact.

Thanks. :cool: I also like your idea.I'm assuming she is since she was never shown or she just could have left Jean-Luc before he met Gambit or sometime when Gambit was a kid.

[witness]

If they wanted it wouldn't be that hard for them to make Adam Neramani 4th summer brother (even with Vulcan now reveled. Also Essex said summers brothers so that could be more than 3 lol.. )

Yeah it just could explained by time travelling, but it is/was always weird to me how Gambit see to know or meet up with random Summers ppl (both Black Womb & Fontanelle are Summers)sometimes it seem like he know more Summer ppl than Scott & Alex do.See my fear Can't you see someone running with that & making him Chris Summer son (They'd say he cheated of on Scott & Alex mom or something like that before Shi'ar Empire took them & etc) :mad:

No Fontanelle hasn't been seen since then I don't believe, but Mr.Carey said he wanted to used her but he didn't get a chance.

I never read that story... How did Adam Essex died? Ive all hated the idea of him being made a clone of some else. (can't you just see someone making him the clone of Scott/Alex/Sinister in the 616) :eek: :frown:

I think it would be cool if Gambit was some how related to Faye Livingstone (The only woman that Sinister was said to be in love with)
Also that could explain why Sinister is less of a dick to Gambit not to say he nice to Gambit, but he usually nice her to him than he to others (by nicer I mean he hasn't been clone or killed by Sinister yet )

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2290

I know the story says she never married/never had children, but you could aways just say to his (Sinister) knowledge she didn't or something like that. or you could say that during of his 1 of his once a years visits he injected her with some of his DnA. An some time later (whatever works with marvel sliding time ) the nurses discover her being pregnant & taken her far away ( to New Orleans with could be her home town or something like that) to have the baby (Gambit ). Then he (Gambit)get kidnapped from the hospital & etc by the Thieves' Guild. While at this was going on you can just say Sinister was out ruining people lives like always & etc.

Adam Essex died from birth defects and it went partly to explain Nathaniels obsession with genetics. There is also some nice inter-play between Nathaniel and Charles Darwin and a scene where Essex lectures the royal society on how Darwinism will lead to the "next generation" of humanity. It also shows how Essex came to agree to be "altered" by Apocalypse and how he chose the name sinister (his wife found out he had dug up Adam's body to study. She then went into Labour for their second child and died during the birth, her last words were to call her husband "sinister" then both mother and child died). I can't recommend this limited series enough, so if you can find it anywhere its well worth a read.

For the record I'm not keen on clones either, I just think if you're going to make him related to Sinister it would be one way of doing it (and would also explain Sinister's relationship with Gambit although as you rightly point out that could be explained by him having a Summers connection)

[witness]

Thanks. :cool: I also like your idea.I'm assuming she is since she was never shown or she just could have left Jean-Luc before he met Gambit or sometime when Gambit was a kid.

Just wanted to throw my weight behind the Faye Livingstone thing. It would be cool.

[witness]

Oh and the activity on this thread has warmed my heart. Well done everyone :smile:

[Nathan]

as long as he aint a clone or test tube baby or related to Summers or Wolverine id be happy

[Naira K]

Oh and the activity on this thread has warmed my heart. Well done everyone :smile:

Agree. Thanks guys.

[witness]

as long as he aint a clone or test tube baby or related to Summers or Wolverine id be happy

Shhh! They'll see this as another way to exploit Brand Wolverine :wink:

[Nathan]

Shhh! They'll see this as another way to exploit Brand Wolverine :wink:

crap.....bah its ok most the writers at marvel wouldnt look at a GAT they hate the guy , which is sad but considering the utter shit that marvel are putting out im glad Gambit is clear of it and Carey is writeing him out of the borefest that is Legacy, hopefuly PAD picks him up

[4sake]

as long as he aint a clone or test tube baby or related to Summers or Wolverine id be happy


I agree completely, but if I had to go with the lesser of those evils. I'd go with test tube baby.

[4sake]

As for Mister Sinister as the father it would be kind of cool if Gambit turned out to be a genetic clone of Nathaniel Essex's dead son adam (from "The further adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix-the origin of Mr Sinister" an excellent LS in my humble opinion).

I may check it out. :cool:

Just wanted to throw my weight behind the Faye Livingstone thing. It would be cool.

I wonder how Mr.Carey would about it....

[witness]

crap.....bah its ok most the writers at marvel wouldnt look at a GAT they hate the guy , which is sad but considering the utter shit that marvel are putting out im glad Gambit is clear of it and Carey is writeing him out of the borefest that is Legacy, hopefuly PAD picks him up

Totally agree about Legacy, I enjoyed the Xavier portion but since Rogue's back heading it, I've found it increasingly dull.

[witness]

[QUOTE=4sake;9590061]I may check it out. :cool:



You really should. I can't recommend it highly enough, Essex's interaction with Charles Darwin and the royal society are a particular highlight and it captures the feel of England in the Industrial age to a tee. (far better than they managed with Ancient Egypt in the 'Rise of Apocalypse' series which just felt cliched, but to be fair they had a lot more source material to study from for Victorian England so I'll give them some grace on that).

[4sake]

[QUOTE=4sake;9590061]I may check it out. :cool:



You really should. I can't recommend it highly enough, Essex's interaction with Charles Darwin and the royal society are a particular highlight and it captures the feel of England in the Industrial age to a tee. (far better than they managed with Ancient Egypt in the 'Rise of Apocalypse' series which just felt cliched, but to be fair they had a lot more source material to study from for Victorian England so I'll give them some grace on that).

It's kind of sound like that esp. of X-men 90s cartoon with Mister Sinister & Prof.X great great gandfather/how ever he was related to him... Is it like that?

[witness]

[QUOTE=witness;9592950]

It's kind of sound like that esp. of X-men 90s cartoon with Mister Sinister & Prof.X great great gandfather/how ever he was related to him... Is it like that?

It gives you an understanding of why Essex is like he is. You almost sympathise with him to a certain extent. It also sows the seeds of his relationship with Apocalypse (even back then he was never enamoured with Apocalypse's vision of things) and you see how the summers bloodline first went to America in the exodus of emigrates to the new world.

[4sake]

It gives you an understanding of why Essex is like he is. You almost sympathise with him to a certain extent. It also sows the seeds of his relationship with Apocalypse (even back then he was never enamoured with Apocalypse's vision of things) and you see how the summers bloodline first went to America in the exodus of emigrates to the new world.

Sounds very interesting I will have to check it out.

[eggie]

I'll have to pick up that mini-series then, always interested in learning more about Sinister and his past.

[witness]

I'll have to pick up that mini-series then, always interested in learning more about Sinister and his past.

As I've said previously it is well worth it, much in the same way that knowing about Magneto's Holocaust past goes some way to explaining (and humanizing) his current self, learning about his past does the same for Sinister.

[Slant]

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7470/75300731090020003ra.jpg

lol

[Washout]

I don't think he makers of that game have a clue about their fanbase. That costume is gross.

[4sake]

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7470/75300731090020003ra.jpg

lol

I don't think he makers of that game have a clue about their fanbase. That costume is gross.

It's not that bad :biggrin: (not good either, but I've seen worst)

[Slant]

At least it doesn't come with the gas powers.

[witness]

on the subject of Death-bit, What are people's feelings on Gambit being turned into his Death persona by a telepath in the Legacy annual.

Personally I can't stand Death-bit (look was ok but his gas powers? At least Warrens Death Persona improved him) and I hope this was a one-off for the Annual.

[streator]

on the subject of Death-bit, What are people's feelings on Gambit being turned into his Death persona by a telepath in the Legacy annual.

Personally I can't stand Death-bit (look was ok but his gas powers? At least Warrens Death Persona improved him) and I hope this was a one-off for the Annual.

what exactly happened to gambit in the annual? can someone flesh this out a little more?

[Washout]

what exactly happened to gambit in the annual? can someone flesh this out a little more?

He was fighting a telepath who noticed the Apocalypse trigger in the back of his mind. The telepath use the trigger to unleash Death who turned a card black, and killed the telepath. The Gambit takes control again.

[streator]

He was fighting a telepath who noticed the Apocalypse trigger in the back of his mind. The telepath use the trigger to unleash Death who turned a card black, and killed the telepath. The Gambit takes control again.

huh. hopefully it reads well in person.

[Washout]

Yeah, sorry, it makes more since when reading it yourself. I don't do it justice.

[eggie]

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7470/75300731090020003ra.jpg

lol

NOOOOOOOOOO! I think I just threw up in my mouth :( Was Peter Milligan involved with this game? I hate everythng about Death-bit (like that phrase!), it did not help Gambit's character at all. This part of Gambit's past is best left forgotten! UGH!

[streator]

Yeah, sorry, it makes more since when reading it yourself. I don't do it justice.

no need to apologize, i wasn't knocking your summary just saying that it sounds like something i'll need to read in person to get everything.

[DJSCARLET]

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7470/75300731090020003ra.jpg

lol

What up with the crotch belt?

The whole Death-bit arc could have been really interesting and a great read because Gambit has the whole "Am I evil or good?" complex. But the whole thing was handled so poorly. What a waste.

[Nathan]

no need to apologize, i wasn't knocking your summary just saying that it sounds like something i'll need to read in person to get everything.

you should get it , the main story is a bore fest but the back up with Gambit is pretty good considering i hate Carey

[Nathan]

What up with the crotch belt?

The whole Death-bit arc could have been really interesting and a great read because Gambit has the whole "Am I evil or good?" complex. But the whole thing was handled so poorly. What a waste.

thats milligans writeing for ya, he has good ideas but cannot write them for shit

[4sake]

on the subject of Death-bit, What are people's feelings on Gambit being turned into his Death persona by a telepath in the Legacy annual.

Personally I can't stand Death-bit (look was ok but his gas powers? At least Warrens Death Persona improved him) and I hope this was a one-off for the Annual.

I thought it was petty coolsince his death powers were changed around. I think they now absorb or kill the person he throws a charged card or object at...

you should get it , the main story is a bore fest but the back up with Gambit is pretty good considering i hate Carey

I enjoyed both stories. I the last panel made the book a 10/10 for me because it look like Gambit was wearing all black (I hate the pink lol)



The whole Death-bit arc could have been really interesting and a great read because Gambit has the whole "Am I evil or good?" complex. But the whole thing was handled so poorly. What a waste.

I agree completely

thats milligans writeing for ya, he has good ideas but cannot write them for shit

Yeah his Gambit, Polaris & Rogue sucked, but I thought his Sunfire, Bling!, Emma were great, his Iceman, Nightcrawler, Havok ok IMO.

[illikaspain]

What do your think about Gambit being Ms. Sinister son and genetic clone of Summers family!

[4sake]

What do your think about Gambit being Ms. Sinister son and genetic clone of Summers family!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Justin K.]

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7470/75300731090020003ra.jpg

lol

I don't think he makers of that game have a clue about their fanbase. That costume is gross.

You're just mad goth music's not cool ...

[orkoni1]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well if they ever make what happened in Then End then technicahlly Scott and Sinister would be Remy's genetic donor parents, making a fantacy of mine about gays being able to have kids together come true (atleat in comics) LOL.

B/C the logic they gave Remy about Scott in TheEnd was completely stupid, he can't be the third's summer brother b/c teh summers line came directly from scott and the other genetic part came from sinister making the the mama n dada genetic-wise.

I guess it would work depending on how much of Sinister's genes came into play compared to that of Scott, he could be considered like Scott's "twin borther" with a little twist of Sinister since they would share most of their genetic makeup kindda like with Laura and Wolverine. And then he'd maybe like a twin/clone of Scott's spliced with some of Sinister's DNA.

I would wonder what Gambit fans would think if Gambit were technically Scott's clone like Laura is Wolverine's?

Don't get me wrong I love Gambit, and personally think that Mike might be able to use his Death persona pretty well and maybe in a significantly bu slightly different way than how Warren's Death persona is being utilized to add to his character.

[eggie]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted for truth!!! Gambit should not be a clone of anybody, least of all anybody with the last name Summers!

[Nathan]

Clones Suck and have no Souls, i rather have Gambit be concived by his momma sitting on jizz on a toilet seat than have him be a clone or a Summers

[witness]

I'd rather they Killed off Gambit (Permanently), than have him turn out to be a clone of Summers or Wolverine.

[jarrod]

What do your think about Gambit being Ms. Sinister son and genetic clone of Summers family!
Love it. Make it happen Professor Carey!

[Majinoaw]

Love it. Make it happen Professor Carey!

I liked Claremont's explanation of him in X-Men the End. I could live with that and it makes sense when you look at Gambit's earlier appearances.

[jarrod]

I liked Claremont's explanation of him in X-Men the End. I could live with that and it makes sense when you look at Gambit's earlier appearances.
Gambit was originally supposed to be Sinister's Layla Miller anyway. Carey should just seal the deal, it's clone time.

[4sake]

Gambit was originally supposed to be Sinister's Layla Miller anyway. Carey should just seal the deal, it's clone time.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

[Majinoaw]

Why not take Gambit back to his roots. What made him so awesome was, you never knew what side he was really on; and he could manipulate people into doing what he wanted, with just a brief glimmer in his eyes - where did it go downhill for Gambit? Was it when they made him leader in Uncanny?

[4sake]

I liked Claremont's explanation of him in X-Men the End. I could live with that and it makes sense when you look at Gambit's earlier appearances.

IMO my explanation is MUCH better.. :cool:

[Red Lotus]

Why not take Gambit back to his roots. What made him so awesome was, you never knew what side he was really on; and he could manipulate people into doing what he wanted, with just a brief glimmer in his eyes - where did it go downhill for Gambit? Was it when they made him leader in Uncanny?

When he was leader in Uncanny the team still didn't know what side he was on and at times question if what he and they were doing was on the up and up. So Gambit problems started before then.

[Majinoaw]

When he was leader in Uncanny the team still didn't know what side he was on and at times question if what he and they were doing was on the up and up. So Gambit problems started before then.

Hmmm...I agree. but when did the problems start around what period. Back in the late 90s. was he damaged by the time Onslaught happened?