Le Diable Blanc: Amour et Appréciation de Gambit

[f4faith]

Are you actually saying those things don't apply to both Rogue and Gambit and their relationship?

I do not think all those things happened. I grant the lies and emotional baggage and general inabililty to not trust each other (though I think that is exagerated by Rogue's power and until Milligan and Carey was not as bad as made out). But honestly, all those things happen in most relationships at one time or another and this was exagerated for comics. I do not see betrayal, emotional abuse, infidelity, and using each other for their own ends. Betrayal only exists if one thinks Winter Soldier betrayed Captain America because he was brainwashed. Emotional abuse is subjective and I don't see any as being deliberate (well until Mike Carey's Rogue because she can't be that dumb).

I think the mistrusts happens but Rogue's power in the past and how its affected her seems to be part of the problem. I find it interesting that the major two times Rogue comes off as completely unable to really trust Gambit (ie its not just a spat because Sabretooth is egging her on and she gets over it an issue or so later) is both the times she's absorbed him. I do think the case could be made that until Milligan, Rogue generally did trust Gambit and usually got over their fights where she was insecure pretty quickly except the two times she absorbed him. As for the infidelity, just like with Sentry with her it was left open to intrepretation when those two females threw themselves at him as it could easily been shown ala her and Magneto if the writer wanted to make it clear. He could have been chasing women left and right if they wanted to set him up as cheating on her given her powers prevented them from being physically together. And I don't know where the "using each other for their own ends" comes from.


I didn't go into detail about their relation because I already effing know about it.

You very much went into detail with that little opening. You set it up negatively. That's bias. You just had to ask the question without commentary if you didn't want to set up a specific premise in the first place.


why their relationship went to hell in a hand basket,

It went to hell in a handbasket to me because of two specific writers. Milligan and Mike Carey both of whom very deliberately set out to make it go to hell in a handbasket for different reasons. That's it. Same I believe can be said of Scott and Jean and Morrison. Scott and Jean had issues prior to that as all comic couples are wont to do but Morrison deliberately turned Scott into an asshole about it.


Maybe perhaps it's because I didn't agree with remydat's assessment of Rogue's trust issue with Gambit?

I don't agree with Remydat's trust assessment as I noted about Rogue's power being a influence with it until Milligan so that has nothing to do with it. The very specific comments at the opening of the thread instead set up a negative bias if you didn't want to do that it could have easily been done with a neutral one. Nothing more. You can set up the premise anyway you like but at least own up to it.

[remydat]

I'm not saying it shouldn't be explained, as part of the story, I'm just saying that my enjoyment of the book isn't contingent on Gage making sense out of that particular mess. I'd happily just skip any Rogue stuff in the book completely.

In fact, when Liu's Astonishing does begin, I'll probably drop Legacy anyway if it's still Rogue as Poochie.

I am with you. I don't like Rogue enough to care if she ever gets fixed. So long as Gambit gets a clean break and is not longer tied to her, I will be happy. And if Gambit is still pining for her and being wallpaper when AXM rolls around then XML is likely to be dropped.

Of course, my preference would be to have two books to read Gambit in so hoping Gage hits his stride in the next few issues.

[Sparta]

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Such beautiful eyebrows.

[Ingonyama]

He looks like he should be in the next Jonny McGovern music video (look him up; may be NSFW).

THIS IS NOT A BAD THING. <3

[red eyes]

New blog by Liu: http://marjoriemliu.com/blog/

Basically confirming Gambit has a lead role in the book. Hopefully Legacy picks up, otherwise i'm likley to drop it by the time this comes out.

[Nite-Wing]

You might as well take away Gambit's man card in X-men Legacy.

You don't go from being this charismatic and confident individual to just this stale,passive, emotionally neutered mope.

Remy's acting like hes 16 and not a grown man. He needs to tighten up

[Askia32]

No he doesn't have to read every issue but my point is he would have to know to look beyond the last 10 years. If I just picked up a new character, I might read his origin story but most like I then pick up his most recent appearances to see what the character is currently like. If Gage did that he would find a very different Gambit than the 90s Gambit. So that is why I am saying it is not so simple.

It is simple, it's just reading comics. Not saying he is dumb, but if he chose to just look at the past 10years of Gambit, that was a pretty dumb decision. The cajun has been at his absolute worse, and any Gambit fan would of told him that if he cared enough to ask.


Agreed but even that is not totally indicative of the character. You didn't get as much as the conflicted dark Gambit in that because his role was more of the big brother type.

Its not about X-23. Marjorie is obviously a huge Gambit fan, so she could of easily pointed Gage in the right direction to do a little research on his character. Again, if he cared to ask.


Except he asked people for input. I am simply saying to you that back when the first two issues were being conceived and written his being the new writter was probably still not revealed so he couldn't very well look for ideas then. He probably relied on Carey and the last few years as that would be the logical place to start.

He asked for input after the first couple chapters. Even if he wasn't revealed as the writer, he still could of asked Liu, or checked out some of the Gambit forums without making a post. Again, if he cared enough.


In a perfect world yes but this is reality. I have yet to encounter a job where I have some understanding of each aspect of it before I start. He is writing a Rogue focused book. The logical place to start is for him to make sure he gets Rogue and then build for there.

In a perfect world? That's a cop out. If you care about what your doing, you give your all to put your best work out there. Granted, part of the reason I'm not buying the book anymore is because having a team of interesting characters and only focusing on one is ridiculous. And honestly, that may be part of the problem.


He has got 5-7 characters each with let's say 10-20 years of history and each with likely terrible periods and good periods during that time. That is a lot of history to sift through to figure out which parts of the history for each character are the real reflection of who they are and which parts are not. If he previously worked in the X-books then maybe but most of his time has been with the Avengers not the X-men.

Like I've said, I don't really know how much time he had to research and write the chapters. But if he had a a good month or two to do some research, thats plenty of time.

[Askia32]

You might as well take away Gambit's man card in X-men Legacy.

You don't go from being this charismatic and confident individual to just this stale,passive, emotionally neutered mope.

Remy's acting like hes 16 and not a grown man. He needs to tighten up

Yea, its a sad state of affairs....

[remydat]

It is simple, it's just reading comics. Not saying he is dumb, but if he chose to just look at the past 10years of Gambit, that was a pretty dumb decision. The cajun has been at his absolute worse, and any Gambit fan would of told him that if he cared enough to ask.

The news broke that Gage was the writer in middle of October. He obviously knew before that and was already mapping out his first few issues because he has to stay a month or two ahead of the publication schedule. I am simply saying to you that his first few months were likely devoted to reading up on Rogue, getting advice from Carey, and reading up on the most recent history of the other 5-7 characters he intends to use. He can and did ask fans for help but realistically given the transition and schedule it is highly unlikely he would be able to incorporate fans advice in that time frame which is why I am saying it is looking you will see him flesh out the other characters including Gambit in the next few issues once he has cleaned up Carey's key open plots.


Its not about X-23. Marjorie is obviously a huge Gambit fan, so she could of easily pointed Gage in the right direction to do a little research on his character. Again, if he cared to ask.

And Carey is a well respected and knowledgeable writer who if you ever hear him talk about Gambit in interviews speaks well of him. Unless Gage is intimately in tune with how people view Carey's Gambit, his most logical starting point is to discuss things with the outgoing writer not to try and track down Marjorie Liu who probably has one of the busiest schedules. They don't just hang out in the same building you know. Liu had 2 novels come out in the last month or two alone. There is the simply logistics of it all to consider.


He asked for input after the first couple chapters. Even if he wasn't revealed as the writer, he still could of asked Liu, or checked out some of the Gambit forums without making a post. Again, if he cared enough.

He's got AA still as well as 5-7 characters to research. He's got Carey who is the outgoing writer. He asked for input after the first few issues because realistically that was probably when he actually had the time to look into the characters deeper. Again, the logistics is not as simple as you think. And it is rare on the Gambit forum or any other to have all kinds of discussions of what issues to pick up. Most of the discussion is centered on the current going ons of the character which Gage is better off trusting Carey and not internet fans at least until he realises they may be a disconnect between Carey and Gambit fans.


In a perfect world? That's a cop out. If you care about what your doing, you give your all to put your best work out there. Granted, part of the reason I'm not buying the book anymore is because having a team of interesting characters and only focusing on one is ridiculous. And honestly, that may be part of the problem.

It's not a cop out, it's reality. My boss routinely gives me multiple projects to juggle and I have to decide how best to allocate my time to get it all done. In doing so, I invariably end up deciding some things should take priority now while others take priority later. And I completely agree, if XML continues in the vein of Rogue basically saving the day all the time then I will be switching over to AXM come March.


Like I've said, I don't really know how much time he had to research and write the chapters. But if he had a a good month or two to do some research, thats plenty of time.

A month is not plenty of time if you legitimately have 5-7 characters to research. If he is doing 2 issues of XML and another 2 issues of AA in January that is 4 storylines he has to map out then get to the artists and then once the artists complete it for him to add dialogue. I would say just coming up with the storyline and dialogue for 4 comics in a month probably takes a month on its own especially if they are not one shots and are intended to fit into a larger story arc. Any character research is over and above that. So if you are brand new to the characters, you will likely get a few issues out first before you have time to do any serious research unless you just happen to have have any current ongoings which is not the case with Gage who was still pumping out stories for AA.

[Red Lotus]

I think people expecting Gage to have a full knowledge of Gambit is a bit silly. He is a comic book writer who was given a project. He obviously has other projects (AA) that he is also writing. On top of that, comics have to be written well in advance of the actual publishing date. Do I think Gage has nailed the character ? No but I also am realistic in that I never expected him to when he has had very little time to transition and it is likely that Carey's ideas are still very likely his key source of info on the characters.

If I admit I have a lot to learn about a character and when I come on his appreciation site all I see is negativity instead of people offering more constructive feedback, I would be disappointed. If you think Gage got Gambit wrong then tell him and give him ideas of where he can find Gambit written right. If you instead just complain and effectively take you ball and go home, you are basically creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

He doesn't have to know all the history, but since he wasn't forced to keep Gambit because Gillen did want him. It would make sense to study up on some of the background and get a feel for the character. Note I'm not saying he doesn't have a feel for the character because as of right now its way to early to tell.



New blog by Liu: http://marjoriemliu.com/blog/

Basically confirming Gambit has a lead role in the book. Hopefully Legacy picks up, otherwise i'm likley to drop it by the time this comes out.

With the way this team is set up If Wolverine isn't there and who they are facing I would like to see Gambit not just have a lead role but lead the team and as for Legacy I'm giving this 4 issues, right now I'm just not hooked on it.

[Nite-Wing]

Gambit could lead that team in the same manner that Hannibal leads the A-team but Its not bad with him playing #2 to Wolverine.

[Don Quixote]

I think Liu talked about Gambit as an outsider and somewhat reluctant member rather than as a leader.

Given the cast, I'd say he is the one best suited to lead the team, simply due to his experience, but I'd be surprised to see him doing it, right off the bat. Honestly, I'm intrigued as to how this team comes together at all, as they seem a fairly disparate group of people. Not many connections between them, that I can see.

It seemed, in X-23, that Liu remembered that Gambit and Wolverine have a relatively friendly history, though. Hopefully we'll get to see some of that here, because again, Wolverine doesn't have much in the way of ties to most of the rest of this team.

Regarding Gage's familiarity and knowledge of the character, don't forget that he's got a whole team of people to bone up on, and probably wants to do a good job with all of them. If he doesn't know Gambit that well right now, then he'll probably get to grips with him a bit more in the coming months.

I've said before that my requirements are fairly simple. Stop pining after Rogue and get your balls back. Not too much to ask, I don't think.

[remydat]

He doesn't have to know all the history, but since he wasn't forced to keep Gambit because Gillen did want him. It would make sense to study up on some of the background and get a feel for the character. Note I'm not saying he doesn't have a feel for the character because as of right now its way to early to tell.

Gillen wanted him but it was decided he fit better on Gold Team. Whether that was Gage's call is debatable as I suspect it was editorial that decided he fit better on Gold Team rather than Gage.

I am not saying he hasn't studied up on the character. I am saying that logically he would have started by consulting Carey and reading the most recent history of Gambit. In doing so, he inevitably would find a very different Gambit than the one most of us know. We only know the last 10 years of the character has been largely disappointing because we have been following him all this time. When you are trying to write stories for 4 issues a month, you don't have time to immediately figure out which time periods over the past 20 years are the time periods to focus on for the 5-7 characters you admittedly don't know that much about.

[Askia32]

The news broke that Gage was the writer in middle of October. He obviously knew before that and was already mapping out his first few issues because he has to stay a month or two ahead of the publication schedule. I am simply saying to you that his first few months were likely devoted to reading up on Rogue, getting advice from Carey, and reading up on the most recent history of the other 5-7 characters he intends to use. He can and did ask fans for help but realistically given the transition and schedule it is highly unlikely he would be able to incorporate fans advice in that time frame which is why I am saying it is looking you will see him flesh out the other characters including Gambit in the next few issues once he has cleaned up Carey's key open plots.



And Carey is a well respected and knowledgeable writer who if you ever hear him talk about Gambit in interviews speaks well of him. Unless Gage is intimately in tune with how people view Carey's Gambit, his most logical starting point is to discuss things with the outgoing writer not to try and track down Marjorie Liu who probably has one of the busiest schedules. They don't just hang out in the same building you know. Liu had 2 novels come out in the last month or two alone. There is the simply logistics of it all to consider.



He's got AA still as well as 5-7 characters to research. He's got Carey who is the outgoing writer. He asked for input after the first few issues because realistically that was probably when he actually had the time to look into the characters deeper. Again, the logistics is not as simple as you think. And it is rare on the Gambit forum or any other to have all kinds of discussions of what issues to pick up. Most of the discussion is centered on the current going ons of the character which Gage is better off trusting Carey and not internet fans at least until he realises they may be a disconnect between Carey and Gambit fans.



It's not a cop out, it's reality. My boss routinely gives me multiple projects to juggle and I have to decide how best to allocate my time to get it all done. In doing so, I invariably end up deciding some things should take priority now while others take priority later. And I completely agree, if XML continues in the vein of Rogue basically saving the day all the time then I will be switching over to AXM come March.



A month is not plenty of time if you legitimately have 5-7 characters to research. If he is doing 2 issues of XML and another 2 issues of AA in January that is 4 storylines he has to map out then get to the artists and then once the artists complete it for him to add dialogue. I would say just coming up with the storyline and dialogue for 4 comics in a month probably takes a month on its own especially if they are not one shots and are intended to fit into a larger story arc. Any character research is over and above that. So if you are brand new to the characters, you will likely get a few issues out first before you have time to do any serious research unless you just happen to have have any current ongoings which is not the case with Gage who was still pumping out stories for AA.

Obviously we are not gonna agree on this. We will see soon enough if he starts writing Gambit better or with the same trash we have seen for the past 10 or so years.

[remydat]

I think Liu talked about Gambit as an outsider and somewhat reluctant member rather than as a leader.

Given the cast, I'd say he is the one best suited to lead the team, simply due to his experience, but I'd be surprised to see him doing it, right off the bat. Honestly, I'm intrigued as to how this team comes together at all, as they seem a fairly disparate group of people. Not many connections between them, that I can see..

I would prefer if he is the wild card ie have someone else lead but have Gambit be the one to pull a rabbit out of his ass whenever the plan goes to hell. That is what I loved about him in the 90s. When the plan failed, Gambit would do something that made you realise he could put a plan together on the fly or that he had thought about a response to an otherwise losing scenario.


It seemed, in X-23, that Liu remembered that Gambit and Wolverine have a relatively friendly history, though. Hopefully we'll get to see some of that here, because again, Wolverine doesn't have much in the way of ties to most of the rest of this team.

Yeah they always struck me as two guys who on missions would always butt heads and be at odds with each other but once they clocked out you could actually envision them grabbing a beer together.


Regarding Gage's familiarity and knowledge of the character, don't forget that he's got a whole team of people to bone up on, and probably wants to do a good job with all of them. If he doesn't know Gambit that well right now, then he'll probably get to grips with him a bit more in the coming months.

Exactly, it's not like it's just Gambit he needs to read up on. He's got 5-7 characters he likely knew little about before taking on the project and to expect him to have figured out which portions of their 20+ year histories are the best for each individual character is a stretch. Not to mention, he is replacing someone well respected at Marvel in Mike Carey so naturally will get input from Carey. You don't just ignore Carey's input or developments because fans say so as this is not the case of a writer leaving on bad terms where the incoming writer can go to town on their continuity.


I've said before that my requirements are fairly simple. Stop pining after Rogue and get your balls back. Not too much to ask, I don't think.

Exactly. And the simple fact is it will take an issue or two for Gambit to find his balls which will likely conincide with Gage wrapping up Carey's key open plots and delving deeper into the other character's history.

[remydat]

Obviously we are not gonna agree on this. We will see soon enough if he starts writing Gambit better or with the same trash we have seen for the past 10 or so years.

Agreed, it's at least promising that we have the potential to differ on this while under Carey all hope of a good Gambit had long since been extinguished.

It's even better that if Gage doesn't deliver by March, we have AXM and Liu to look forward to.

[Red Lotus]

Gillen wanted him but it was decided he fit better on Gold Team. Whether that was Gage's call is debatable as I suspect it was editorial that decided he fit better on Gold Team rather than Gage.

I am not saying he hasn't studied up on the character. I am saying that logically he would have started by consulting Carey and reading the most recent history of Gambit. In doing so, he inevitably would find a very different Gambit than the one most of us know. We only know the last 10 years of the character has been largely disappointing because we have been following him all this time. When you are trying to write stories for 4 issues a month, you don't have time to immediately figure out which time periods over the past 20 years are the time periods to focus on for the 5-7 characters you admittedly don't know that much about.

Gillen answer felt like they had plans for Gambit on the Gold team which would line up better then what he had. Which sounds like a writer wanting to do something with him. Maybe it was Marjorie Liu doing Astonishing, but if not that then Gage was the one who has plans for him because I dont think he will play a big part in WAXM.

[remydat]

Gillen answer felt like they had plans for Gambit on the Gold team which would line up better then what he had. Which sounds like a writer wanting to do something with him. Maybe it was Marjorie Liu doing Astonishing, but if not that then Gage was the one who has plans for him because I dont think he will play a big part in WAXM.

Yeah I suppose it could have been Liu since we don't know how long that has been in the works but given Gage said he still had to research the character and knew little about Gambit, I doubt he would have been in a position to lobby for Gambit.

Most likely, if it wasn't Liu, it was likely the editors deciding that keeping Gambit on XML and with Rogue fit better. Afterall, it would difficult to milk the Rogue/Mags/Gambit triangle if both Mags and Gambit were on Utopia.

[Don Quixote]

Most likely, if it wasn't Liu, it was likely the editors deciding that keeping Gambit on XML and with Rogue fit better. Afterall, it would difficult to milk the Rogue/Mags/Gambit triangle if both Mags and Gambit were on Utopia.

Well, not if they had Rogue drop in for a quickie with Magneto every now and then, and perhaps saying, "oh, Remy, hi. I didn't know you were still on Utopia. Well, see you later, Magneto's waiting for me in bed." Who knows, that might have happened if Carey was still writing.

I'd say Liu definitely has plans for Gambit, which don't involve Rogue (for the first time in about fifteen years), and I'm looking forward to them. We don't know what Gage intends yet, but I think Gambit will always only be Rogue's supporting player in Legacy, whether they're together or not. I just hope Gage can do a good job with him in that role.

[red eyes]

I think of it as him being in either Uncanny X-Men and X-Men Vs Legacy and Astonishing.

I think the gold side was better as we know Liu can write a better Gambit compared to Gischler imo(which wasn't bad). But it would've been good for Gambit to be in a flagship book, but he might of turned out like Magik, who is just a none entity teleporter. (Sadly Gambit won't be turning up in WATXM)

But yeah Gage has said their are "big plans" for Gambit, as did Alonso for that matter, it'll be interesting to see what happens.

[Nite-Wing]

Gambit in two books is great don't mess with that
Not being so dependent on Rogue would be nice but I don't hold out much hope for that since it seems to be his "story" now.

You should like where he is right now a lot more then you did 2 years ago.

[Neko]

I think Gambit in two books is great as well. But what I like most is he's in one without Rogue. He'll get some characterization that isn't dependent on her. And with a writer that knows the character and has shown she can write him.

[Red Lotus]

I thought the Gambit side note from Avengers X-Sanction #3 was pretty interesting. Makes me wonder how and what that will be about and if it will be brought up again. Everything else in that scene has been used so maybe that will too.

[red eyes]

I thought the Gambit side note from Avengers X-Sanction #3 was pretty interesting. Makes me wonder how and what that will be about and if it will be brought up again. Everything else in that scene has been used so maybe that will too.

Cable was calling red Hulk "Talbot" as well, obviously forehadowing future events in the Hulk books. I too am wondering if Gambits staff is leading somewhere as well , just because of the sheer randomness of it.

Possibly something to do with AVX, or Gambit randomly appearing in one of the Avengers books.

[Moonshine]

Cable was calling red Hulk "Talbot" as well, obviously forehadowing future events in the Hulk books. I too am wondering if Gambits staff is leading somewhere as well , just because of the sheer randomness of it.

Its not that random. I think its just referencing possible future events already seen ala Talbot and Gambit as the Witness who owned Stark enterprises as Stark-Fujikowa. Just an easter egg for X-Men readers who might catch the reference.

[red eyes]

Its not that random. I think its just referencing possible future events already seen ala Talbot and Gambit as the Witness who owned Stark enterprises as Stark-Fujikowa. Just an easter egg for X-Men readers who might catch the reference.

Someone said that at GG, but Witness never had a bo staff, so that dosen't make sense.

And what future events have we already seen of Talbot?

[Moonshine]

Someone said that at GG, but Witness never had a bo staff, so that dosen't make sense.

We've had all of about five/six brief views of the Witness at a very old age. Its not unbelievable that during the decades between then and now in that timeline once he aquired the company (which he did when Bishop was young or before if you don't go by the retconned history with Hope) that a "younger" Witness used a bo. It makes perfect sense. It not like he suddenly became old. There certainly was a time he was still athletic enough to use one even in the "future". Remember the Bishop series Witness from that future was a once an old fighter.

[red eyes]

We've had all of about five/six brief views of the Witness at a very old age. Its not unbelievable that during the decades between then and now in that timeline once he aquired the company (which he did when Bishop was young or before if you don't go by the retconned history with Hope) that a "younger" Witness used a bo. It makes perfect sense. It not like he suddenly became old. There certainly was a time he was still athletic enough to use one even in the "future". Remember the Bishop series Witness from that future was a once an old fighter.

Way to many guesses to think all that imo, and far too obscure.

Probably just an old staff of Gambits that Stark took at one point, probably won't be mentioned again.

What future events have we already seen of Talbot?

[Whalers77]

Does anyone have a scan of the scene where he gets the staff in Avengers X-Sanction 3?

[red eyes]

Edit: yeah the scans on this page:

http://www.gambitguild.com/GGForum/index.php?topic=3438.msg37460#msg37460

[Moonshine]

Way to many guesses to think all that imo, and far too obscure.

How is it any more obscure than the one brief scene in Days of Future Past with Wolverine' skeleton that happened nearly 10 year before the Witness? If anything, anyone writing Cable likely has some info on all the futures that hints to Cable's - and Bishop's did. By default so would the concept of Gambit as the Witness in more than one timeline since the Witness has shown up a few times now in association with Bishop (though they keep changing the history to fit whatever story they are doing now). It's suppose to be a scene in the future so they are just making reference to vague X-Men futures. I think people are trying to read more into it than there is. It just a nod to fans who know X-Men history.


probably won't be mentioned again.

It likely won't be mentioned again as I noted it was likely just an easter egg for readers with a knowledge of future timelines.


What future events have we already seen of Talbot?

I see to remember a brief mention of Talbot decendants in some future so who knows about any association with any future Hulk or Red Hulk as in Ross's case.

[red eyes]

How is it any more obscure than the one brief scene in Days of Future Past with Wolverine' skeleton that happened nearly 10 year before the Witness? If anything, anyone writing Cable likely has some info on all the futures that hints to Cable's - and Bishop's did. By default so would the concept of Gambit as the Witness in more than one timeline since the Witness has shown up a few times now in association with Bishop (though they keep changing the history to fit whatever story they are doing now). It's suppose to be a scene in the future so they are just making reference to vague X-Men futures. I think people are trying to read more into it than there is. It just a nod to fans who know X-Men history.
.

We'll see, Witness never having a bo staff clinches it for me.

(New topic)

Short article/video with Taylor Kitsch talking about Gambit: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a361842/taylor-kitsch-x-men-gambit-return-needs-to-be-dark.html

Legacy review: http://insidepulse.com/2012/01/27/dropped-in-midstream-review-x-men-legacy-261-by-christos-cage-david-baldeon/

"Gambit, Iceman and Beast are all on the roster, and yet they were very under-utilized in the action part of the title. Why is someone like Iceman and Beast (and even Wolverine) on a team roster when they already are in other books?"

Totally agree with that, hopefully Gambit gets to do something next issue.

[red eyes]

Double post :)

Two responses from Tom Breevorts formspring:

Q: In X-Sanction, Cable calling Hulk Talbot and Gambits staff in the Avengers mansion, foreshadowing?

A: I don't know, does it seem like foreshadowing?:)


Q: Did Gambits staff being in the Avengers mansion mean anything in particualr, or just a random thing of no improtance?

A: Wait and see.


Got a feeling this will be answered next issue.


Q: Tom how about a Gambit ongoing written by Marjorie Liu and edited by Jeanine Schaefer?

A: This is you, Jeanine, isn't it?

[Charging]

Double post :)

Two responses from Tom Breevorts formspring:

Q: In X-Sanction, Cable calling Hulk Talbot and Gambits staff in the Avengers mansion, foreshadowing?

A: I don't know, does it seem like foreshadowing?:)


Q: Did Gambits staff being in the Avengers mansion mean anything in particualr, or just a random thing of no improtance?

A: Wait and see.


Got a feeling this will be answered next issue.


Q: Tom how about a Gambit ongoing written by Marjorie Liu and edited by Jeanine Schaefer?

A: This is you, Jeanine, isn't it?


Calling it!!! Gambit solo in November and Gambit as a playable character in the next version of MvsC 3.

[Ingonyama]

Screw MvC, they should just stick with "X-Men Versus Capcom."

Seriously, all the characters I miss (Gambit, Iceman, and Psylocke are the big ones) were X-Men shuffled out to ake room for Marvel's OTHER hugely-in-demand characters...like Rocket Raccoon. :confused::evilangry:

[Don Quixote]

I really don't think another Gambit solo book would be a good idea. Maybe as a 4 part mini, but definitely not as an ongoing.

He's popular, but I think it's been proved enough times now that none of the X-Men, except Wolverine, can support solo books for any period of time. I'd rather just have him as the focal point of Astonishing, and (as long as Gage gets him away from Rogue permanently) a supporting player in Legacy.

A Gambit movie would be good, though. Or at least a new X-Men movie with him as a featured character. And that might be considered profitable if Taylor Kitsch's two big summer movies this year are hits.

[Red Lotus]

Double post :)

Two responses from Tom Breevorts formspring:

Q: In X-Sanction, Cable calling Hulk Talbot and Gambits staff in the Avengers mansion, foreshadowing?

A: I don't know, does it seem like foreshadowing?:)


Q: Did Gambits staff being in the Avengers mansion mean anything in particualr, or just a random thing of no improtance?

A: Wait and see.


Got a feeling this will be answered next issue.


Q: Tom how about a Gambit ongoing written by Marjorie Liu and edited by Jeanine Schaefer?

A: This is you, Jeanine, isn't it?

I will confess that most of these are the questions I asked. I really want the solo to happen and since those two are the ones who would be the first to pitch it I want them to do it.

I still think Gambit staff will be use in AvX.

[red eyes]

]
I still think Gambit staff will be use in AvX.

Yeah, i admit Tom Bs posts have swayed me a bit. Either it's solved next issue or at somepoint during AVX. The Avengers and X-Men might have to finally work together at the end to fight the Phoenix or someone, hence Iron man upgrading Gambits staff.

I'd probably prefer it if he didn't get a solo, it'd probably be cancelled and given as a point not to have him in any books as "he dosent sell", or something. Just a good role on a team(s) really, which it seems like were getting.

Don;t give a crap about MVc 3, he should've been in the game from the get go, considering he was the most requested :(

[Askia32]

It seems to me a solo book right now would be a bad idea. But, if Astonishing X-men wins over many new Gambit fans, I could see a solo book being possible in the next year or so.

[Gemmy]

With this current group in charge of the X-line, maybe a Gambit ongoing now wouldn't be a good thing.

[red eyes]

Vote for Gambit in this thread: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=402367

[Askia32]

Vote for Gambit in this thread: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=402367

Seriously? My two favorite characters against each other, that sucks. I hate voting against storm, but Gambit is #1.

[red eyes]

Seriously? My two favorite characters against each other, that sucks. I hate voting against storm, but Gambit is #1.

It's Johnny Storm, Storms on the one above it.

Edit: D'oh your right, it's *Avenger* Storm.

[red eyes]

Next round VS Angel, vote who for who you like more in this thread:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=402707

Also Astonishing X-Men - X-Position if you missed it: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=402489

[Gemmy]

Gambit looks great on that cover! :biggrin:

[red eyes]

Gambit made the finals, vote for him in this thread: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=14719349#post14719349

Also Gambit Vs Captain America if you missed the news: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=54449&t=COMICS_Latest_AVENGERS_vs_X-MEN_Cover_Pits_SPIDER-MAN_vs_COLOSSUS_And_CAPTAIN_AMERICA_vs_GAMBIT

[DeathMasque]

Gambit made the finals, vote for him in this thread: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=14719349#post14719349

Also Gambit Vs Captain America if you missed the news: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=54449&t=COMICS_Latest_AVENGERS_vs_X-MEN_Cover_Pits_SPIDER-MAN_vs_COLOSSUS_And_CAPTAIN_AMERICA_vs_GAMBIT

Awesome, I've been doing my part to see Gambit through to the final win.

Thanks for posting informative tidbits like that. Without you and others like you, I'd quickly lose track of where Gambit pops up. 'ppreciate it.

[Askia32]

Gambit made the finals, vote for him in this thread: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=14719349#post14719349

Also Gambit Vs Captain America if you missed the news: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=54449&t=COMICS_Latest_AVENGERS_vs_X-MEN_Cover_Pits_SPIDER-MAN_vs_COLOSSUS_And_CAPTAIN_AMERICA_vs_GAMBIT

Think we lost both of these.

[red eyes]

Think we lost both of these.

Yeah probably, he got pretty far though, got further then Wolverine, Cyclops, Rogue etc.

Dead cert for him to lose to Cap during AVX imo, good exposure though on the grand stage, i bet he looks good even in a losing effort.

[Askia32]

Yeah probably, he got pretty far though, got further then Wolverine, Cyclops, Rogue etc.

Dead cert for him to lose to Cap during AVX imo, good exposure though on the grand stage, i bet he looks good even in a losing effort.

Yea, hopefully. As long as its not one-sided, it will be ok by me.

[The Shogun]

Have gambit and black cat ever met up? Any issues between them?

[Sparta]

Have gambit and black cat ever met up? Any issues between them?

Web of Spiderman #113. That's one I can think of, there may have been a few more.

[Nite-Wing]

Yeah I think web of Spider-man is the only one but they know of each other
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61080/1428131-889764_web_of_spider_man_113_16_super_super.jpg

[The Shogun]

Anyone know what issues of x-treme x-men this takes place in?
Unused to dealing with his mutant power after having lost it, Gambit was accidentally blinded by one of his own cards shortly afterward. Rogue then began to distance herself from Gambit when he started lashing out at her. Even though he was blind, he gained the ability to read his playing cards like they were tarot cards, predicting an attack by the Brotherhood. Rogue later asked Sage to heal Remy's vision, which he did.

[anyajenkins]

It wasn't in x-treme, it was in chuck austen's x-men run. And he was snippy with rogue once and she walked out of the room. there wasn't any real 'relationship drama' there (they both actual did very little) and he didn't start reading his cards like tarot cards either.

[Gemmy]

Anyone know what issues of x-treme x-men this takes place in?
Unused to dealing with his mutant power after having lost it, Gambit was accidentally blinded by one of his own cards shortly afterward. Rogue then began to distance herself from Gambit when he started lashing out at her. Even though he was blind, he gained the ability to read his playing cards like they were tarot cards, predicting an attack by the Brotherhood. Rogue later asked Sage to heal Remy's vision, which he did.

I don't think that's XXM. Those things happened afterwards.

It wasn't because he was unused to his powers that he got blinded. Rogue had attacked an Immortal who ran into another one whose gun went off and hot Remy's charged card which then blew up and Remy was blinded. Rogue didn't distance herself from Gambit afterwards. She helped him a lot. In fact, she was his only help. She was in character and stood by him.

He got blinded in XM #158
Sage healed him in #165

Never saw that page before, Nite-Wing. Thanks for it! Wish you would post more.

Lots of Gambit coming in May! Hardly any NuRogue! :biggrin:

[Gemmy]

Yeah, in XM #161, Rogue apologised for blinding him but he was initially miffed. Didn't last long, he called her 'honey' afterwards.

[The Shogun]

Thanks for the help, comicvine has it under x-treme x-men so i assumed thats where it was from.

[Canemacar]

I'm curious if Gambit has ever interacted with Captain America before. Between their AVX bout, and Gambit rumored to guest star in Cap's book, they'll be seeing a lot of each other this spring. I'm wondering if Marvel is building off some old interaction I don't know about.

[gambitaab]

i wonder how bad they are gonna let cap beat poor Remy :frown:
and if i read the solicitations right is the cap/gamit story in avx vs being written by mcniven?

[red eyes]

i wonder how bad they are gonna let cap beat poor Remy :frown:
and if i read the solicitations right is the cap/gamit story in avx vs being written by mcniven?

I don't really see him getting embarrassed, more so he'll lose and Cap considers him a great opponent kinda thing.

Yeah looks like it's being written by Mcniven.

[gambitaab]

I don't really see him getting embarrassed, more so he'll lose and Cap considers him a great opponent kinda thing.

Yeah looks like it's being written by Mcniven.

yeah hopefully it will be good exposure ... and hopefully gambit won't be put out of comission for the rest of avx... its kinda awesome thats he is on atleast two covers of the series so far

[Nite-Wing]

I don't really see him getting embarrassed, more so he'll lose and Cap considers him a great opponent kinda thing.

Yeah looks like it's being written by Mcniven.
Or gives him atypical criminal scum speech :cool:
Fighting Captain America is a pretty good deal though

I'd rather he fight Daredevil or Moon Knight though since they have more history.

[Don Quixote]

I'm curious if Gambit has ever interacted with Captain America before. Between their AVX bout, and Gambit rumored to guest star in Cap's book, they'll be seeing a lot of each other this spring. I'm wondering if Marvel is building off some old interaction I don't know about.

The only thing I can think of is when Gambit teamed up with the Avengers to find Joseph and Rogue during the Onslaught storyline. I don't recall whether he actually interacted with Cap, but there were a couple of nice character bits. He felt completely out of place with a group of unabashed heroes, despite them all seeming friendly.

[red eyes]

Found this at the GG:

Q- Just wondering if Gambit is still a main character in Legacy. Rogue, Frenzy Rachel seem to be getting character development.

Gage- Gambit is an important character in Legacy but he is also in ASTONSHING and there are other plans for him too, stay tuned!

I wonder if he'll join another book?

[Gemmy]

Found this at the GG:

Q- Just wondering if Gambit is still a main character in Legacy. Rogue, Frenzy Rachel seem to be getting character development.

Gage- Gambit is an important character in Legacy but he is also in ASTONSHING and there are other plans for him too, stay tuned!

I wonder if he'll join another book?

Here's hoping!

[f4faith]

I'm all for Gambit in three books! More Gambit - its about time.

[Canemacar]

I don't really see him joining yet another book. It's likely just a reference to him fighting Cap in AVX.

Reading between the lines, it seems Gage is basically saying look to Astonishing if you're looking for Gambit development. Which makes sense based on what we've seen thus far; Gage didn't ask for Gambit, he more or less inherited him.

[Foon4000]

I don't really see him joining yet another book. It's likely just a reference to him fighting Cap in AVX.

Reading between the lines, it seems Gage is basically saying look to Astonishing if you're looking for Gambit development. Which makes sense based on what we've seen thus far; Gage didn't ask for Gambit, he more or less inherited him.

Then he should have handed him over to Jason Aaron or someone else to include on a roster. I'm sick of Gambit being 'they guy whose heart Rogue broke'.

[red eyes]

I don't really see him joining yet another book. It's likely just a reference to him fighting Cap in AVX.
.


It wasn't the Cap fight, he just mentioned that in the tweet before this one.

[Gemmy]

Then he should have handed him over to Jason Aaron or someone else to include on a roster. I'm sick of Gambit being 'they guy whose heart Rogue broke'.

Exactly. It's not even in character. Sure, Remy would feel a little sad at first, after all, he was used for 20 yrs. But afterwards, he would carry on as usual, like he did when he 'dumped' her during the Joe phase and when he dumped her in Gambit #16.

Rght now (and to be fair, this did not start with Gage), we have a lopsided view of what Romy was. If you read now, you would think Rogue never gave a damn about Gambit and that Gambit followed her around like a love sick puppy. When in actuality, both were madly in love with each other and Gambit still had his b**** intact. That the previous writer retconned the last 20 yrs into Rogue was just lying and had been using Gambit is what is being portrayed now (and the last 5 or so years of his run).

Gambit would've moved on by now. It's so weird reading NuRogue now. Completely different character from Rogue. Unfortunately, it's getting weird reading Gambit now too. He's kind of stuck in an OOC place for ages now.

[The Shogun]

after all, he was used for 20 yrs.
hat the previous writer retconned the last 20 yrs into Rogue was just lying and had been using Gambit is what is being portrayed now (and the last 5 or so years of his run).


Can someone explain when this happened.

[teddyeatsyourface]

Can someone explain when this happened.

It didn't.

In X-Men: Legacy 248 Gambit confronted Rogue about the fact that she wasn't honest in her reasoning for avoiding him while they were on Utopia.

[Gemmy]

Can someone explain when this happened.


It happened in #248, when Gambit told Rogue she's lying. Nothing to do with Utopia (it wasn't even mentioned). You could read it here yourself:-

http://media.photobucket.com/image/X%20Men%20legacy%20248%20Gambit%20breaks%20up%20wi th%20Rogue/squeekness/Gambit/legacygetlostrogue.jpg

[teddyeatsyourface]

It didn't.

In X-Men: Legacy 248 Gambit confronted Rogue about the fact that she wasn't honest in her reasoning for avoiding him while they were on Utopia.

Here are the links to when Rogue explained why she was avoiding him.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/XML234_2.jpg
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/XML234_3.jpg

Source: Rebel Rogue (http://soulkiller-rebel-rogue.blogspot.com/)

[Gemmy]

Keep in mind that #248 came after the above scans (#234). In #248, Carey established that Rogue was lying (in the above scans).

Gambit even spoke directly about her lying specifically about the scenes in #234.

[The Shogun]

I only started reading x-men legacy a few issues ago and im a little confused. I dont understand the first two panels, no idea who legacy is.

[teddyeatsyourface]

That's what I just said in my first post...

[red eyes]

It happened in #248, when Gambit told Rogue she's lying. Nothing to do with Utopia (it wasn't even mentioned). You could read it here yourself:-

http://media.photobucket.com/image/X%20Men%20legacy%20248%20Gambit%20breaks%20up%20wi th%20Rogue/squeekness/Gambit/legacygetlostrogue.jpg

Isn't that just what Gambit thinks?

[teddyeatsyourface]

I only started reading x-men legacy a few issues ago and im a little confused. I dont understand the first two panels, no idea who legacy is.

Legacy was Rogue's counterpart in Age of X. A story that has the 616 X-universe suddenly warped into a new one, and everyone is trying to find out why.

It's a really cool story, you should pick up the trades when you can :)

[Gemmy]

Isn't that just what Gambit thinks?


There hasn't been anything written to counter it though. Not from either character and certainly not from Carey.



I only started reading x-men legacy a few issues ago and im a little confused. I dont understand the first two panels, no idea who legacy is.

Legacy is Rogue's counterpart in AoX. Mystique was her 'mother' there and also Magneto's beloved. But Mags also wanted her daughter (his foster child, so to speak) and she wanted her mother's man also.

[red eyes]

There hasn't been anything written to counter it though. Not from either character and certainly not from Carey.

Well until we hear why from Gage, i dont think their's been any retcon or anything, Rogues dialog looks like she was going to deny it anyway imo.

(this new layout hurts my eyes)

[Gemmy]

Well until we hear why from Gage, i dont think their's been any retcon or anything, Rogues dialog looks like she was going to deny it anyway imo.

(this new layout hurts my eyes)

I see where you're coming from. I kind of see it like this-- until we hear from Gage, I'm keeping Carey's version that she was lying (the retcon). And if Gage undos it, I'll go with that from that point onwards.

I'm no fan of Carey's but if it's in the book, got to abide by it.

[red eyes]

I'm no fan of Carey's but if it's in the book, got to abide by it.

We only know Gambits assumptions not Rogues. All we know is Gambit thinks/thought Rogue was lying about avoiding him, Rogue thinks otherwise, nothing to abide by really....

But anyways i'm bored of this "love triangle" and nothing ever being resolved, hopefully Gambit gets over Rogue soon and starts acting a bit like his old self. I thought he was pretty good in the latest ish of Legacy.

[Gemmy]

We only know Gambits assumptions not Rogues. All we know is Gambit thinks/thought Rogue was lying about avoiding him, Rogue thinks otherwise, nothing to abide by really....

I don't know if Rogue thinks otherwise. It was never revealed.




But anyways i'm bored of this "love triangle" and nothing ever being resolved, hopefully Gambit gets over Rogue soon and starts acting a bit like his old self. I thought he was pretty good in the latest ish of Legacy.

I want Gambit to get back to his old self also. It would be great if Belle and the Guilds would show up. Maybe then, we could see a little bit of old Gambit again.

I want to like his portrayal in XML but, so far , there's not much to go on except moping around. And that's old already. It's just the first arc. He may get better in the next one. Maybe. Hope springs eternal, right? :)

[Red Lotus]

I don't really see him joining yet another book. It's likely just a reference to him fighting Cap in AVX.

Reading between the lines, it seems Gage is basically saying look to Astonishing if you're looking for Gambit development. Which makes sense based on what we've seen thus far; Gage didn't ask for Gambit, he more or less inherited him.


Then he should have handed him over to Jason Aaron or someone else to include on a roster. I'm sick of Gambit being 'they guy whose heart Rogue broke'.

I would have liked it much better if Kieron Gillen got him, which would have separated him and Rogue. But really if liu is going to be putting in charge of with what happens to Gambit then I'm pretty happy.

[Foon4000]

I kind of want X-23 to show up in XML or Gambit to show up in AA and they can, like, beat up whoever's annoying their new adopted sibling. Gambit was a bit too much of a fantasy dreamboat, but it was great that he got an entirely new role within the X-group. Maybe he can adopt Bling! next. They can look at Hustler together.

[Hi-Fi]

I kind of want X-23 to show up in XML or Gambit to show up in AA and they can, like, beat up whoever's annoying their new adopted sibling. Gambit was a bit too much of a fantasy dreamboat, but it was great that he got an entirely new role within the X-group. Maybe he can adopt Bling! next. They can look at Hustler together.
But Gambit and Bling! pine for the same woman!

[mythog]

But Gambit and Bling! pine for the same woman!

Perfect reason for them to become friends, they can get over moping over Rogue together . LOL

[Foon4000]

Perfect reason for them to become friends, they can get over moping over Rogue together . LOL

Exactly! Gambit can share his intimate photographs.

[Canemacar]

Lesbians make the best bros and Gambit needs a wingman.

[Sparta]

Lesbians make the best bros and Gambit needs a wingman.

kind of ironic if it were to be Iceman...y'know with the Top Gun term and all...

[PsychoGoatee]

Just stopping by to say I'm a big Gambit fan, and I'd like to see him get back together with Rogue in the books sometime. It's been too long I says!

[The Shogun]

Anyone know the issues that Death gambit makes appearances in? So far i just have the blood of apocalypse arc.

[red eyes]

Just stopping by to say I'm a big Gambit fan, and I'd like to see him get back together with Rogue in the books sometime. It's been too long I says!

Never!!!

But welcome. :)


Anyone know the issues that Death gambit makes appearances in? So far i just have the blood of apocalypse arc.

There was the Second Coming tie in mini called "Hellbound". He was pretty much the bad guy in that arc.

[Neko]

Just stopping by to say I'm a big Gambit fan, and I'd like to see him get back together with Rogue in the books sometime. It's been too long I says!

Never!!!

But welcome. :)
Agreed on both! :)

There is a few Legacy issues where Deathbit appears as well. He doesn't do much but make the reader aware that he's there.

[dr.maikel]

Check out my Gambit for SoulCalibur V

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[The Shogun]

http://i.imgur.com/6KuRx.jpg

So did Remy really cheat on Rogue?

[red eyes]

http://i.imgur.com/6KuR.jpg

So did Remy really cheat on Rogue?


Well Gambit/Storm kissed one time during X-treme X-Men.

Also during Gambits second ongoing, it's implied that he may cheated on her with someone (not everyone thinks that though).

[The Shogun]

Well Gambit/Storm kissed one time during X-treme X-Men.

Also during Gambits second ongoing, it's implied that he may cheated on her with someone (not everyone thinks that though).

With who? Was it that girl he saved when he owed a favor to her father?

[red eyes]

With who? Was it that girl he saved when he owed a favor to her father?

Not sure, but the one i'm thinking of was called "Lili Penrose"

This issue : http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2218

[Nathan]

http://i.imgur.com/6KuRx.jpg

So did Remy really cheat on Rogue?

was that Logan not ment to be Mystique

[Canemacar]

Even Milligan got that Gambit wasn't exactly uncomfortable with sex; wonder why Gage thought he'd be nervous and apologetic about a drunken kiss(but only a kiss) with Frenzy.

[Moonshine]

was that Logan not ment to be Mystique

It was. Since when has Logan sat around and gossiped about people's private lives? It was suppose to be Mystique trying to get to Rogue and make her worry about her (as Foxx) trying to seduce Gambit.

Gambit seems to have an problem with naked woman chasing after him (re: Foxx and Lili Penrose both) and him pushing them away but then been hinted at possible interactions after. It was ambigious and stupid in both cases. Gambit said he didn't both times. Mystique couldn't even admit it and sure would have if it did happen and Gambit sure didn't take the Lili "tape" very seriously if it was true. In X-23, he has no reason to lie to CeCe about cheating yet he again says he hasn't.

It's so vague, it should be ignored. I wouldn't use Uncannyxmen.net as a guide for small scenes like the Lili one as many times the synopsys glosses over what happened and was actually shown and not.

[mythog]

Even Milligan got that Gambit wasn't exactly uncomfortable with sex; wonder why Gage thought he'd be nervous and apologetic about a drunken kiss(but only a kiss) with Frenzy.

Simple answer he didn't know the character or his history. (He asked online what books to read to learn about the character)

[Sparta]

He can do so much better than Frenzy...

I've always wanted Gambit & Psylocke. I like Lila Cheney as well ...or maybe even Sage.

[Neko]

Or Gage wanted a little drama for Gambit, feeling guilty or something because of Rogue. I agree with Mythog, he just doesn't know the character that well. For me any other femme but Rogue works for me. I do like the Sage idea or Psylocke. A woman who can actually make a decision would be great!

[The Shogun]

I wouldnt mind gambit/psylocke either but after what happened to warren i doubt betsy wants to get involved with another man under the influence of apocalypse. Ive been wondering why were warren and gambit affected differently? Gambit seems to have it under control while warren couldnt even with the help of psylocke.

[red eyes]

Some pages from Astonishing X-Men #48 and an interview with Liu: http://marvel.com/news/story/18208/thursday_qa_marjorie_liu

[The Shogun]

http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/0/04/4f4fdbdcd5795/detail.jpg

Looks like the raging cajun has a bit of a foot fetish :biggrin:

[Canemacar]

Please tell me it's Frenzy at the door.:biggrin:

[Neko]

ROFL, that would be great. He needs women knocking on his door!

[Foon4000]

http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/0/04/4f4fdbdcd5795/detail.jpg

Looks like the raging cajun has a bit of a foot fetish :biggrin:

Foot massage on a first date? What a slapper (Gambit, not Cece).

[mythog]

Didn't they hint in X-23 that they went on a date before this one?

[The Shogun]

Gambit said he had a date but didnt say with who.

[Hi-Fi]

It was. Since when has Logan sat around and gossiped about people's private lives? It was suppose to be Mystique trying to get to Rogue and make her worry about her (as Foxx) trying to seduce Gambit.

Gambit seems to have an problem with naked woman chasing after him (re: Foxx and Lili Penrose both) and him pushing them away but then been hinted at possible interactions after. It was ambigious and stupid in both cases. Gambit said he didn't both times. Mystique couldn't even admit it and sure would have if it did happen and Gambit sure didn't take the Lili "tape" very seriously if it was true. In X-23, he has no reason to lie to CeCe about cheating yet he again says he hasn't.

It's so vague, it should be ignored. I wouldn't use Uncannyxmen.net as a guide for small scenes like the Lili one as many times the synopsys glosses over what happened and was actually shown and not.
LOL. So THIS should be ignored. Seriously, you guys. Gambit cheated on her, it's pretty clear. That adds to his character in my opinion, not the opposite.

Anyway, I hope it's Frenzy or Rogue at the door. Should be funny, I guess. I'm still on the fence regarding Liu's writing.

[remydat]

LOL. So THIS should be ignored. Seriously, you guys. Gambit cheated on her, it's pretty clear. That adds to his character in my opinion, not the opposite.

Anyway, I hope it's Frenzy or Rogue at the door. Should be funny, I guess. I'm still on the fence regarding Liu's writing.

It's really not that clear at all. The whole point of both the Foxx and Penrose affairs was for it to leave you guessing as to whether he cheated or not. Ultimately, there is evidence for an against.

[red eyes]

I hope it's not Frenzy or Rogue at the door, all that stuff should be confined to Legacy where all the Rogue drama is at.

[mythog]

Anyway, I hope it's Frenzy or Rogue at the door. Should be funny, I guess. I'm still on the fence regarding Liu's writing.

My opinion I like how Lui wrote Gambit in X-23, he came off looking better then all the other times he has been written in the last year. I think normally he is has been written as the traitor or the outcast/loner, or Rogue depressed ex boyfriend. I thought she was able to write him in character, but still show that there is another side to him that he doesn't show often. She gave him character development that was needed that isn't normally given to Gambit.

[Moonshine]

LOL. So THIS should be ignored. Seriously, you guys. Gambit cheated on her, it's pretty clear.

As Remydat said neither was clear at all. If it was suppose to be clear, it should have been. More both were stupid. If you plan to have Gambit cheat then do it and deal with it not have Mystique get turned down naked and Gambit know its her for pete's sake in fake Rogue form and try to make me believe Gambit is that stupid not to know its a trap and be with her. That if he really fell for it, that Mystique wouldn't be yelling it at the top of her lungs and happily have Rogue absorb her mind. The same crap with the Lili BS, don't have him turn her naked ass down and then get pulled back and him basically joke around about it with kids and try to make me believe he's really worried about getting caught in a true cheating pose. If he was suppose to cheat then have him be Scott and be caught in bed with Emma because he wanted to or stupid Rogue throw herself at Magneto five seconds after getting a semi-pass from Gambit to do so. So no it's not clear at all, it was just dumb and frankly I'm sick of ignoring stupid in comics because its getting to be way too much stupid to ignore.


As for Astonishing, I hope its the Marauders at Gambit's door. Get to the action already. Gah that art though, Everyone looks like they've been stung by bees.

[red eyes]

My opinion I like how Lui wrote Gambit in X-23, he came off looking better then all the other times he has been written in the last year. I think normally he is has been written as the traitor or the outcast/loner, or Rogue depressed ex boyfriend. I thought she was able to write him in character, but still show that there is another side to him that he doesn't show often. She gave him character development that was needed that isn't normally given to Gambit.

True, i think we all thought Gambits protrayal was good in X-23 because it was in comparison to Legacy. I liked Gambit in Aox, after that Gambit just kinda stood around, where he often didn't even speak, in x-23 he was useful, had a voice, his world didn't revolve around Rogue and him romancing a couple of ladies was nice. Plus i have a soft spot for the Daken fight.

Gage is a fan of Lius Gambit protryal as well which is good news.



As for Astonishing, I hope its the Marauders at Gambit's door. Get to the action already. Gah that art though, Everyone looks like they've been stung by bees.

Their's some action on the third page of the preview!

And we already know the book starts out with a bloody fight.

Edit: Not sure if i've posted this before but this sounds interesting:

Jordan White (editor) But I know Gambit IS in AVX, and I know of at LEAST one BADASS fight for him.

[remydat]

Edit: Not sure if i've posted this before but this sounds interesting:

Jordan White (editor) But I know Gambit IS in AVX, and I know of at LEAST one BADASS fight for him.

Wasn't he paired up with both Spider Women and Captain America in AvX so it would be interesting to know which he was referring to. I presume Cap as just fighting Spider Women in the first place by definition can't be badass for Gambit but if it is Cap, still unlikely he actually wins given it's Marvel.

[remydat]

My opinion I like how Lui wrote Gambit in X-23, he came off looking better then all the other times he has been written in the last year. I think normally he is has been written as the traitor or the outcast/loner, or Rogue depressed ex boyfriend. I thought she was able to write him in character, but still show that there is another side to him that he doesn't show often. She gave him character development that was needed that isn't normally given to Gambit.

It was refreshing because we haven't seen that Gambit since he was running around with Lil Ro. Most of us loved Gambit not because of some inner turmoil we knew nothing about when he was first introduced but because the character was an irreverent fun loving guy with just enough mystery to him that he challenged the current X-men status quo. Then writers presumably in order to give him development decided that he couldn't have inner turmoil and still be fun. No he had to flagellate himself for his past deeds and all the fun was lost and replaced with emo Gambit. He was a much better character when his fun loving attitude was his means to cope with/mask his inner turmoil over his past.

[Gemmy]

Check out my Gambit for SoulCalibur V

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Cool.

And cool Gambit figurine, Askia:)

The art for AXM is decidedly different . Might take a lot of getting used to. Good to see Remy in a new book.

[The Shogun]

Last week of march is gonna be a good week. X-Men Legacy and Astonishing X-Men (with the new creative team), awesome :biggrin:

[Canemacar]

Last week of march is gonna be a good week. X-Men Legacy and Astonishing X-Men (with the new creative team), awesome :biggrin:

Legacy and Astonishing will both come out on the same day. Thats definitely, going to invite comparisons between their portrayals of Gambit. My money is on Liu....

[Neko]

Legacy and Astonishing will both come out on the same day. Thats definitely, going to invite comparisons between their portrayals of Gambit. My money is on Liu....
I think may be allot of comparisons on that day.

[Whalers77]

Not sure if people saw but some interesting interviews have come out lately. Looks like Gambit will be fighting Moon Knight in Legacy and Gage actually gave him some props in the Heavy Hitters interview saying he could do some damage.

[Canemacar]

I thought the cape-charge itself was a little underwhelming, but if Gage is willing to go further and get more creative with Gambit's power, it could be very cool. I'd like to see it get to the point where someone fighting Gambit never knows if the walls, ceiling, floor, furniture, or even their own weapons and armor are going to start exploding out of no where courtesy of a little kinetic "trap".

[jrnewto]

If wanting to go for Gambit having normal parents, I have a theory and it links to the Thieves Guild referring to him as La Diable Blanc (“the White Devil”) as a child.

Now it’s interesting that another Marvel character took a similar alias, Monsieur LaBlanc.

Yes, that’s right, Jean-Paul DuChamp, otherwise known as Frenchie, pilot and sidekick to Moon Knight!

Despite current depictions of Frenchie as a homosexual, back in his mercenary days he had a female lover by the name of Isabelle Kristel, who was a French agent.

After their relationship became too intense, Isabelle left JP and was soon afterward sent to America to infiltrate Cajun Creed’s drug empire in New Orleans.

After discovering she her secret, Creed tortured her for 5 days and then killed her; Moon Knight and Frenchie later capturing him for the authorities.

Now what if when Isabelle left JP she was pregnant, and gave birth to a mutant child?

So how did this child end up with the Thieves' Guild you ask?

What if Creed had ties with the Thieves’ Guild and took the child from Isabelle?

Or what if Isabelle had her own ties to the Guild and hid him with them so Creed couldn't use the child to threaten her while she was undercover?

Then what if the real reason Moon Knight takes his whole supporting cast down to New Orleans for vacation is to follow a lead received about Jean-Paul having a child there, and after Isabelle’s death DuChamp and MK, in his identity of Steven Grant, meets up with the child and the young Remy takes on the middle name Etienne (i.e. French for Steven), after his father’s best friend Steven Grant whom he discovers is Moon Knight!!!

[Gemmy]

Hoping Gambit's real parents are ordinary folk. Loved how Remy went looking for clues to them in his OS, back when Fabian wrote.

[f4faith]

I thought the cape-charge itself was a little underwhelming, but if Gage is willing to go further and get more creative with Gambit's power, it could be very cool. I'd like to see it get to the point where someone fighting Gambit never knows if the walls, ceiling, floor, furniture, or even their own weapons and armor are going to start exploding out of no where courtesy of a little kinetic "trap".

It doesn't even have to explode. Gambit manipulates the sub atomic particles of an object and makes them unstable. Generally you get an explosion if you assume that its on the same concept as an exothermic reaction when electrons are exchanged between two chemicals but if you can move electrons then you can also just destablise the molecules so they can just "disappear" ie break apart. Litterally, you could have someone running after Gambit and "pop" the boards of the floor beneith them are gone and they fall to the next floor loosing him. This ability dates all the way back the 90s as Gambit did it in an annual or some such story by "disposing" of a water bottle by just making it "pop" out of existance (ie broke the atoms connections down to their elements). We've seen in the Gambit series, Gambit can control his powers affects to delay them so yes both explosions and "holes" should be elements of his fighting strategy

[Neko]

I seriously doubt we'll see anything creatively done with Gambit's powers in Legacy. I would go so far to say, that all he'll be is wallpaper, there will be no development and we'll get a page or panel here or there and that is it. If we want to see anything that actually involves Gambit and his development, it would appear that Astonishing is the book.

[Nite-Wing]

Things Gambit "commonly" does with his powers
-Make things explode(throwing cards,dirt, sand,etc)
-kinetically reinforce objects(use his cards to cut things or charge up his staff)

That's the jist of how he uses his powers

[jrnewto]

We still don’t know the deal behind the “Old Kingdom” or how its resurrection ties into the Thieves Guild’s history. It was said it was a shining beacon predating Atlantis and Lemuria, lost to the ages.

But does this entirely rule out Lemuria?

An earlier iteration of Lemuria existed approximately half a million years in the past and its human ruled city was Nemedis.

That city’s hero, Thongor, was known as a thief and assassin who likewise had dark red hair (and was likewise a slave for a time, something Gambit likewise referred to having been in X-Men #107).

At one point he gains employment in the city of Zangabal, where he encounters the Thieves Guild.

Does this suggest the New Orleans Thieves Guild is the modern day version of an unbroken guild reaching back as far as this earlier version of Lemuria which is the “Old Kingdom”?

After thwarting the Dragon Kings, Thongor eventually goes on to unite all of Lemuria under the banner of his Golden Empire of the Sun. Does this not sound like “a Heaven on Earth, a shining beacon predating Atlantis…”?

The energies of the Old Kingdom’s long-dead king were channelled into the future New Son, a version of Gambit from another reality. Was this long-dead king Thongor and the energies were that of he gained from the Star Sword?

[Juggs]

Hey there, so how things being going on with our fav X-Man, just got back online.

[red eyes]

Hey there, so how things being going on with our fav X-Man, just got back online.

I think we're still at the stage of hoping Gage reads up a bit more on Gambit and he devotes more of the panel space to others in the cast.

Astonishing's out next week ! :biggrin:

Gambits got quite a few comics coming up so we'll see.

[Juggs]

I think we're still at the stage of hoping Gage reads up a bit more on Gambit and he devotes more of the panel space to others in the cast.

Astonishing's out next week ! :biggrin:

Gambits got quite a few comics coming up so we'll see.

That and Gambit vs. Captain America and that i got to see

[Gemmy]

Hi Juggs, welcome back! :smile:

[red eyes]

Preview of Wednesdays Astonishing X-Men: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11845

[Gemmy]

The art is....gritty. Might not be the best fit for AXM.

[Juggs]

The art is....gritty. Might not be the best fit for AXM.

I'm just glad Gambit is being used by a really good writer.

[Juggs]

Hi Juggs, welcome back! :smile:

Hey thanks Gemmy ^^

[anyajenkins]

Is Astonishing out tomorrow?

[Foon4000]

Is Astonishing out tomorrow?

Yeah, we'll finally get to see Gambit's houseparty. I hope it's not red wine and cheese on sticks.

[Juggs]

Yeah, we'll finally get to see Gambit's houseparty. I hope it's not red wine and cheese on sticks.

Nah i'm thinking a awesome jazz party.

[Starleafgirl]

Nah i'm thinking a awesome jazz party.

And real creole food!

[Canemacar]

Yeah, we'll finally get to see Gambit's houseparty. I hope it's not red wine and cheese on sticks.

Nope. Whiskey and foot rubs.

[Juggs]

Nope. Whiskey and foot rubs.
And with a good woman so it's not all bad, so what did ever one think of it. I though Astonishing did great, even though it ended on a cliffhanger.

[Moonshine]

so what did ever one think of it. I though Astonishing did great, even though it ended on a cliffhanger.

Good but sadly not great. Great Gambit in that he could flirt with a lamp and it would be charming. CeCe was eh and droned on though I like the idea of a part time friend that doesn't want to be involved with the action junk and usually doesn't. If she gets involved all the time it takes all the bite out of her going on about it and just erodes what makes her different. I love Northstar but eh - especially Kyle running around after him. I am interested to know whats up with Wolverine and why he's bringing Warbird along seeming to know somethings up yet is dragging people around like Northstar as if its just something they need to talk about. It makes the story seem contridictatory and schizophrenic. I thought too much space was spent on set up which could have been done just as well in less space and gotten more into the hook to try to capture possible on the fence people to buy this. Given its a 3.99 book not a 2.99 one, it should have come out with a really interesting first issue instead of just a somewhat interesting one. .

[Askia32]

Good but sadly not great. Great Gambit in that he could flirt with a lamp and it would be charming. CeCe was eh and droned on though I like the idea of a part time friend that doesn't want to be involved with the action junk and usually doesn't. If she gets involved all the time it takes all the bite out of her going on about it and just erodes what makes her different. I love Northstar but eh - especially Kyle running around after him. I am interested to know whats up with Wolverine and why he's bringing Warbird along seeming to know somethings up yet is dragging people around like Northstar as if its just something they need to talk about. It makes the story seem contridictatory and schizophrenic. I thought too much space was spent on set up which could have been done just as well in less space and gotten more into the hook to try to capture possible on the fence people to buy this. Given its a 3.99 book not a 2.99 one, it should have come out with a really interesting first issue instead of just a somewhat interesting one. .

I did really like the chapter, but I do think the North and Kyle thing dragged way too much. Knowing Liu, it will probably lead to something, but the duo just got way too much screentime IMO.

[Canemacar]

The art wasn't great, everyone looked like they slept on their neck wrong the night before.

Comparing this Gambit to Legacy is like night and day. My advice to Gage is to stop trying to write Gambit and just cut the word balloons out of his copy of Astonishing, and glue them into his next script. It would be an improvement.

I thought the parts with Northstar were a little awkward, but most of that was due to Kyle being a non-entity. Maybe if Liu can develop him as more than a token gay/damsel in distress, it would read better.

Between Northstar and Kharma's homosexuality, Wolverine and Gambit hinted bisexuality, and Iceman's rumors, this may be the gayest X-team ever. I expect Liu to take advantage of this fact.

[Juggs]

The art wasn't great, everyone looked like they slept on their neck wrong the night before.

Comparing this Gambit to Legacy is like night and day. My advice to Gage is to stop trying to write Gambit and just cut the word balloons out of his copy of Astonishing, and glue them into his next script. It would be an improvement.

I thought the parts with Northstar were a little awkward, but most of that was due to Kyle being a non-entity. Maybe if Liu can develop him as more than a token gay/damsel in distress, it would read better.

Between Northstar and Kharma's homosexuality, Wolverine and Gambit hinted bisexuality, and Iceman's rumors, this may be the gayest X-team ever. I expect Liu to take advantage of this fact.


Well guess we are going to have to wait till the next book.

[The Shogun]

So moving on past the Rogue/Gambit talk, who do you guys want Gambit to be with? Only Gambit love interests i know about are Rogue and Belladonna so nothing from me here.

[red eyes]

Thought Astonishing was really good, especially the bantering between Gambit and CeCe. One thing i disliked was probably Kyle, i'm not invested in him and i'd prefer to see more of Karma, Warbird, Iceman etc.

Still pretty meh about Legacy, Gambit was barely in it, plus the Gambit and Rogue scenes were pretty cringe. Just kinda want that "love triangle" to move a long as they seem to keep Gambit in an endless status quo of pining for Rogue, which long ago got boring.

Hoepfully Christos finds more of a voice for Remy as he goes on, so far it's been Carey emo Gambit.

@TheShogon- i don't really want him with anyone, just playing the field and not pining for anyone.

[Askia32]

So moving on past the Rogue/Gambit talk, who do you guys want Gambit to be with? Only Gambit love interests i know about are Rogue and Belladonna so nothing from me here.

With no one. Gam is finally single, so I'd like the chance for him to develop as such and form or re-form his identity. He has been written so bad for over 10years with no real importance, so now is perfect time to explore just who Remy is. If he is given some depth and grows more popularity, than he won't just fade into the background after Liu is done with her run. Or at least I hope not.

But somewhere down the road, I would love to see Remy with Psylocke.

[Gemmy]

I wouldn't mind seeing him back with Belle. He really loved her.

[Juggs]

With no one. Gam is finally single, so I'd like the chance for him to develop as such and form or re-form his identity. He has been written so bad for over 10years with no real importance, so now is perfect time to explore just who Remy is. If he is given some depth and grows more popularity, than he won't just fade into the background after Liu is done with her run. Or at least I hope not.

But somewhere down the road, I would love to see Remy with Psylocke.


That is what they should do, also i don't think they'll ever put those two together, but it would be awesome to see but i doubt it happening. Right now i see Liu trying to put Cece and Gambit together.

[Gemmy]

That is what they should do, also i don't think they'll ever put those two together, but it would be awesome to see but i doubt it happening. Right now i see Liu trying to put Cece and Gambit together.

With all of the alternate realities that Marvel does, it would be interesting/nice to see what a Remy/Betsy pair up would look like...

[Moonshine]

Right now i see Liu trying to put Cece and Gambit together.

I hope not though I don't think Liu can resist. She can't seem to wait to actually rebuild the character first and not focus on romance.

That said. I really like the idea of Gambit having another adult friend like Storm that accepts Gambit for what he is and gives him someone to talk to. I can see them bonding over the fact that they both have worked all their lives to be good at what they do; but i don't see CeCe really being good with him being a thief. Romantically I would honestly see her trying to change him but as a friend being more understanding. The last thing he needs is another serious romantic relationship. As everyone keeps saying he needs to be developed back as a interesting character with important powers and skills not just a good boyfriend.

I could see a fling with Psylocke if she wasn't in such a mess romantically right now herself but personality wise, I don't see them serious at all. Betsy is a snob though I don't think she'd mind some hot physical interaction. Gambit needs to be single to flirt with the female enemy now and then to slip right past them.

[Askia32]

Hmm, if Gambit became relevant, it would be interesting to see Remy have an actual fling with an enemy. One that has a lot of build up that it would create a really forbidden romance type deal.

With Betsy, I could see it becoming more than just a fling. But with them two, I don't know how they would keep themselves of each other.

[Neko]

So moving on past the Rogue/Gambit talk, who do you guys want Gambit to be with? Only Gambit love interests i know about are Rogue and Belladonna so nothing from me here.

Anyone. I want would prefer him to date allot, or have flings. Mostly, I want fun, and charming Gambit to be seen.

[Moonshine]

Hmm, if Gambit became relevant, it would be interesting to see Remy have an actual fling with an enemy. One that has a lot of build up that it would create a really forbidden romance type deal.

No. I'm sick of white washing villains. Its been done WAY WAY too much and dating a unrepentant villain either shows how stupid a character is (ala Rogue) or the the villain looses any semblance of reality and becomes nice to date the hero.


With Betsy, I could see it becoming more than just a fling. But with them two, I don't know how they would keep themselves of each other.

Well it is Betsy - she can't keep herself off anyone. :tongue:

[Juggs]

No. I'm sick of white washing villains. Its been done WAY WAY too much and dating a unrepentant villain either shows how stupid a character is (ala Rogue) or the the villain looses any semblance of reality and becomes nice to date the hero.



Well it is Betsy - she can't keep herself off anyone. :tongue:

True, and that's Betsy for ya, and it does get boring some times.

But if Gambit dates a villainess i would love for her to still evil but more like a game of cat and mouse between those two, fighting, flirting, sex, more fighting the works. And i agree with you i'm tried of seeing so many villains get white wash so many times.

[Neko]

But if Gambit dates a villainess i would love for her to still evil but more like a game of cat and mouse between those two, fighting, flirting, sex, more fighting the works. And i agree with you i'm tried of seeing so many villains get white wash so many times.
Me too, that would be fun to read.

[Askia32]

White wash? I don't get it, could you please explain?

[Red Lotus]

Hmm, if Gambit became relevant, it would be interesting to see Remy have an actual fling with an enemy. One that has a lot of build up that it would create a really forbidden romance type deal.

With Betsy, I could see it becoming more than just a fling. But with them two, I don't know how they would keep themselves of each other.

I would want him to date Lady M. There could be a lot of fun there.

[Neko]

White wash? I don't get it, could you please explain?
White wash is to cover up crimes, scandals, or the past. Gives a clean slate to the character who gets the whitewash. Or it can exonerate a character.

[Moonshine]

White wash is to cover up crimes, scandals, or the past. Gives a clean slate to the character who gets the whitewash. Or it can exonerate a character.

A whitewash is "painting" using a wash over something that is dirty. Basically you are trying to conceal something. You don't actually "clean" it, you just hide the fact that it is dirty.

It does not give a clean slate, it just pretends there is a clean slate by hiding and ignoring the "dirt"

It wouldn't be an exoneration of a character as that would require proving them innocent and clearing them of any wrong doing. White washing is almost the twist on that in it means they were wrong but it is treated as if it wasn't wrong and there is no accountablity.

[Neko]

A whitewash is "painting" using a wash over something that is dirty. Basically you are trying to conceal something. You don't actually "clean" it, you just hide the fact that it is dirty.

It does not give a clean slate, it just pretends there is a clean slate by hiding and ignoring the "dirt"

It wouldn't be an exoneration of a character as that would require proving them innocent and clearing them of any wrong doing. White washing is almost the twist on that in it means they were wrong but it is treated as if it wasn't wrong and there is no accountablity.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whitewash
3. whitewash - exonerate by means of a perfunctory investigation or through biased presentation of data

pointing out where I got my info.

Not saying your wrong, your interpretation and definition is much better than mine. :)

[Moonshine]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whitewash
3. whitewash - exonerate by means of a perfunctory investigation or through biased presentation of data

pointing out where I got my info.

Not saying your wrong, your interpretation and definition is much better than mine. :)

Interesting. The key words in that definition are perfunctory and biased. Basically its saying to "clear someone/something or remove blame" through ignoring/lying about what happened. It's semantics but I tend to associate then word exonerate to actually proving something false by showing they/it didn't happen not removing the obligation via falsehood. Though given whitewashing is freeing a character from blame via ignoring the what was actual done using the words biased and perfunctory along with the exoneration makes the definition basically the same. Thanks.

[Gemmy]

All of this talk reminds me of Gambit & Hellcat and how crazy she drove him. Pretty funny read.

[The Shogun]

All of this talk reminds me of Gambit & Hellcat and how crazy she drove him. Pretty funny read.
never heard of her, quick summary?

[Gemmy]

never heard of her, quick summary?

This will have to be a really quick summary, hopefully, someone can give you a better one as I've got to run for now, but, allegedly, Scott & Emma 'tricked' Gambit into a date with Hellcat. Hellcat said/did some crazy things during the 'date' which drove Gambit bonkers. In the end, her monster pet-thing escaped and they thrashed the place they were in, trying to grab it. Afterwards, exasperated, Gambit was leaving but she expected a second date to come....

[Neko]

Interesting. The key words in that definition are perfunctory and biased. Basically its saying to "clear someone/something or remove blame" through ignoring/lying about what happened. It's semantics but I tend to associate then word exonerate to actually proving something false by showing they/it didn't happen not removing the obligation via falsehood. Though given whitewashing is freeing a character from blame via ignoring the what was actual done using the words biased and perfunctory along with the exoneration makes the definition basically the same. Thanks.
Thanks to you as well. We certainly got the idea of whitewash down! LOL

As for the Hellcat/Gambit thing. He didn't know he was on a date and she thought she was, that was the humor of it all. And actually I loved that she drove him crazy. He even accused her as the one who took all the phone books from phone booths. LOL. And she wanted to go to dinner at a nice place. Good for her. And he's a gentleman. He would not only take her to dinner but not expect anything more than having some company. I enjoyed this little mini.

[Gemmy]

I enjoyed it as well. She drove him crazy but a funny kind of crazy.

[Askia32]

A whitewash is "painting" using a wash over something that is dirty. Basically you are trying to conceal something. You don't actually "clean" it, you just hide the fact that it is dirty.

It does not give a clean slate, it just pretends there is a clean slate by hiding and ignoring the "dirt"

It wouldn't be an exoneration of a character as that would require proving them innocent and clearing them of any wrong doing. White washing is almost the twist on that in it means they were wrong but it is treated as if it wasn't wrong and there is no accountablity.

Ah, gotcha. Yea, I wouldn't want the villain to be white washed, because than it would not have that forbidden feel. I would the her to be clearly a villain, but the two are completely attracted to each other.

[Moonshine]

Ah, gotcha. Yea, I wouldn't want the villain to be white washed, because than it would not have that forbidden feel. I would the her to be clearly a villain, but the two are completely attracted to each other.

I don't want him attracted to her. That's the silliness of white washing. Sure he finds her physically attractive but much like was hinted with his "relationships" with Candra, and the female Fenris twin, he actually found her as a person dislikable but that doesn't mean he wouldn't use her attraction to him to get what he needs when he has to.

[remydat]

I don't want him attracted to her. That's the silliness of white washing. Sure he finds her physically attractive but much like was hinted with his "relationships" with Candra, and the female Fenris twin, he actually found her as a person dislikable but that doesn't mean he wouldn't use her attraction to him to get what he needs when he has to.

It is not that silly for him to be attracted to her. I have definitely hooked up with girls I could not stand because well they were hot. That's really all that should matter for a guy like Gambit. Actually being able to also use them to achieve some goal/mission should just a bonus.

[Moonshine]

It is not that silly for him to be attracted to her.

Physically yes but that is not what I'm talking about. Caring about her is what I meant. I can see it as his villainess stalker who just wants him entralled with her despite what he thinks as let's not make her out to be some nice gal who's just misunderstood, and hey that can be used against her.


Actually being able to also use them to achieve some goal/mission should just a bonus.

Actually I see it as the complete opposite. Using her to acheive his goals is what he's after but if he gets some on the side from a hot villainess, hey who's complaining? That's the problem with Gambit these days. Old Gambit was a professional thief - one of the best. Being romantic was a side note as he is a romantic but he's also a professional and survivor - heck he grew up on the streets as a very young child. Gambit's forgotten more about surviving than Cyclops will EVER know because he did it when he had no powers, no parents he could even remember then, no close friends and no status in the world and managed not to be a complete tool about it to his friends and his family when he got one. The fact that the X-Men have NEVER hardly utilized his skills properly as an information source getter like Sinister managed to do is beyond stupid on their leadship's part.

Gambit'd flirt but he'd never let a pretty face get in the way of his real goal of getting what he was after. Remember when he kissed that female guard to start the fight that got him the spike to the leg? His real goal was getting the spike to escape and he did in a very well thought out plan that just so happened to get him a kiss and swoon out of it. The kissing the girl was the bonus not the main objective. That's the Gambit I want to see back. Darn it.

[Neko]

I agree completely with your last paragraph! *clap, clap*

[Askia32]

I don't want him attracted to her. That's the silliness of white washing. Sure he finds her physically attractive but much like was hinted with his "relationships" with Candra, and the female Fenris twin, he actually found her as a person dislikable but that doesn't mean he wouldn't use her attraction to him to get what he needs when he has to.

I don't agree. A character can be attracted to another without them being "white washed". Having a female villain at the level of Gambit when it comes to charm and wit, I think, would be very interesting. A villain that Gambit hates what she is doing, but is still attracted to her, and vice versa. I have never said that Gambit would turn to the other side or forget about his loyalties or objectives. It's kind of like having a boss that everyone hates, but there is just something about her that you're really attracted to.

But really, all this boils down to is that I would like to see something that you wouldn't. Simply difference of opinion.

[Gemmy]

Remy did that same sort of thing (kissing/flirting to distract) with one of the Thaii twins back in XXM. It's his way ;)

[Juggs]

Remy did that same sort of thing (kissing/flirting to distract) with one of the Thaii twins back in XXM. It's his way ;)

Flirting as a weapon, and it works, i would love to see Gambit use it more

[Moonshine]

Remy did that same sort of thing (kissing/flirting to distract) with one of the Thaii twins back in XXM. It's his way ;)

And back when he was with Rogue and she knew it didn't mean a darn thing and she could flirt with Bishop or whoever. Back when they were both adults and flirts and they both knew it. <Le Sigh>


I don't agree. A character can be attracted to another without them being "white washed".

Not in comics they can't. Every female villain Batman ever gets attracted too sudden becomes not so bad. Catwoman, Talia, etc. They've been majorly made much nicer than they were in the beginning and he's treats them differently. I absolutely don't want to see that - EVER. Its the same mess with most female villains being super hot while plenty of male villains can be unattractive to completely monstrous.


But really, all this boils down to is that I would like to see something that you wouldn't. Simply difference of opinion.

Pretty much, yep. :wink:

[Askia32]

Not in comics they can't. Every female villain Batman ever gets attracted too sudden becomes not so bad. Catwoman, Talia, etc. They've been majorly made much nicer than they were in the beginning and he's treats them differently. I absolutely don't want to see that - EVER. Its the same mess with most female villains being super hot while plenty of male villains can be unattractive to completely monstrous.

That is a fallacy. Just because it hasn't been done, does not mean its impossible. It's doable. Likely? Maybe not.

[Moonshine]

That is a fallacy. Just because it hasn't been done, does not mean its impossible. It's doable. Likely? Maybe not.

It's not a fallacy when it basically never happens. Could it happen? Yes. But are the odds very very stacked against it? Yes. It's like betting against the House, sure there are those that win now and then but the House is the only one always a winner. It's far more likely to happen in an Indy comic with only one writer. The problem is that even if one writer does it ok in Marvel, there will be one that will mess it up and it never seems to fail that the messed up version is the one that's kept as time goes by. I'd rather just bypass the whole idea then.

[Juggs]

It's not a fallacy when it basically never happens. Could it happen? Yes. But are the odds very very stacked against it? Yes. It's like betting against the House, sure there are those that win now and then but the House is the only one always a winner. It's far more likely to happen in an Indy comic with only one writer. The problem is that even if one writer does it ok in Marvel, there will be one that will mess it up and it never seems to fail that the messed up version is the one that's kept as time goes by. I'd rather just bypass the whole idea then.


And that seems to happen over and over.

[anyajenkins]

are you agreeing or disagreeing with what moonshine said? It's too early in the morning and i can't tell! :D

[Askia32]

It's not a fallacy when it basically never happens. Could it happen? Yes. But are the odds very very stacked against it? Yes. It's like betting against the House, sure there are those that win now and then but the House is the only one always a winner. It's far more likely to happen in an Indy comic with only one writer. The problem is that even if one writer does it ok in Marvel, there will be one that will mess it up and it never seems to fail that the messed up version is the one that's kept as time goes by. I'd rather just bypass the whole idea then.

When you specifically said it can't happen in comics, that was a fallacy. With the rest of your post, I have already stated its not likely.

[jrnewto]

While it was revealed in X-Men #60 that Candra had her “heart of eternal darkness” gem stolen by young Storm’s time as a pickpocket and thief in Cairo, the truth behind why the immortal mutant was there to begin with was never told.

Given Candra established the Thieves Guild of New Orleans, and Amahl Farouk ruled Cairo’s Thieves Quarter at the time of her visit there, does this suggest there was some alliance between the two and she had shown up there to either meet with him or attempt to step in and take his place after Xavier killed his physical shell?

Was she one of the Shadow King’s pawns and he had sent her overseas to set up a similar network?

Recall during UXM#267 that Lian Shen, the King’s agent, indicates Gambit is indebted to her. Did Gambit accumulate this debt while a thief for the Guild (though how a Chinese National who was suggested to have fled Tiananmen Square came to know of the Thieves Guild is beyond me)?

Given Shen refers to Gambit in this issue as “the boy”, I suspect Claremont’s original intent was that he owed her for work she undertook for him in his Orphanage (what with him being another clone of young Nate).

However, given Claremont’s origin was later discarded, alternative explanations are required hence my suggestion of the above.

Candra would therefore appear to be part of the Shadow King’s international “Thieves Guild” network - when you also consider his base of operations after his defeat by Xavier in Cairo was the den of thieves, Madripoor!

This raises further questions, including if Amahl Farouk was leader of the “Thieves’ Quarter” in Cairo, was Ororo’s old teacher, Achmed El Gibár, one of his agents too?

I’ve always liked the idea when Gambit later becomes “The Witness”, he builds an empire on “thieved” intelligence which he then “sits on” to ensure he can’t be touched or sells to the highest bidder, etc.

Then we have galactic “thief” Lila Cheney who referred to having previously been sold into slavery by some group on Earth! Connection?!

[Juggs]

While it was revealed in X-Men #60 that Candra had her “heart of eternal darkness” gem stolen by young Storm’s time as a pickpocket and thief in Cairo, the truth behind why the immortal mutant was there to begin with was never told.

Given Candra established the Thieves Guild of New Orleans, and Amahl Farouk ruled Cairo’s Thieves Quarter at the time of her visit there, does this suggest there was some alliance between the two and she had shown up there to either meet with him or attempt to step in and take his place after Xavier killed his physical shell?

Was she one of the Shadow King’s pawns and he had sent her overseas to set up a similar network?

Recall during UXM#267 that Lian Shen, the King’s agent, indicates Gambit is indebted to her. Did Gambit accumulate this debt while a thief for the Guild (though how a Chinese National who was suggested to have fled Tiananmen Square came to know of the Thieves Guild is beyond me)?

Given Shen refers to Gambit in this issue as “the boy”, I suspect Claremont’s original intent was that he owed her for work she undertook for him in his Orphanage (what with him being another clone of young Nate).

However, given Claremont’s origin was later discarded, alternative explanations are required hence my suggestion of the above.

Candra would therefore appear to be part of the Shadow King’s international “Thieves Guild” network - when you also consider his base of operations after his defeat by Xavier in Cairo was the den of thieves, Madripoor!

This raises further questions, including if Amahl Farouk was leader of the “Thieves’ Quarter” in Cairo, was Ororo’s old teacher, Achmed El Gibár, one of his agents too?

I’ve always liked the idea when Gambit later becomes “The Witness”, he builds an empire on “thieved” intelligence which he then “sits on” to ensure he can’t be touched or sells to the highest bidder, etc.

Then we have galactic “thief” Lila Cheney who referred to having previously been sold into slavery by some group on Earth! Connection?!


All this information that i've never even hear before can be use to make a good Gambit story

[jrnewto]

After reading the script for Uncanny X-Men Annual #1 from 2006, which has now got me to wondering if Ororo’s ancestors also originate from the Old Kingdom?

Would provide a nice link for why Gambit ended up teaming up with little Storm:)

[The Shogun]

New Gambit series being teased?
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38068
What do you guys want to see in this? Also i see that a lot of people dont like the death persona, any reason why? Im still a fairly new reader so i havent been reading Gambit for a long time but I kinda like it. I can see why some of you dont like it though.

[damage_inc]

The only reason behind Gambit's Death Persona was to bury the character at the time. There was no good intentions when it came to that.

[Gemmy]

This news concerns me until the writer is announced. Then I can be pleased (or upset) :wink:

[The Shogun]

This news concerns me until the writer is announced. Then I can be pleased (or upset) :wink:

Carey :tongue:

[Moonshine]

New Gambit series being teased?
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38068
What do you guys want to see in this?

Gambit being Gambit - a crafty, sneaky, snarky, charming guy who can get you what you want. In this case, get the X-Men or Avengers or whoever secret files and information. I'm more inclined to hope for a great mini with a beginning, middle and end to lead to better use in the MU main books


Also i see that a lot of people dont like the death persona, any reason why? Im still a fairly new reader so i havent been reading Gambit for a long time but I kinda like it. I can see why some of you dont like it though.

Death Gambit is just a rehash of the Archangel story to get Gambit out of the books at the time. It's been done and Remender did it well. Gambit did not need it added to his story to make him or his powers more interesting useful.

[Gemmy]

Carey :tongue:

:tongue:

10 chars

[red eyes]

New Gambit series being teased?
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38068
What do you guys want to see in this? Also i see that a lot of people dont like the death persona, any reason why? Im still a fairly new reader so i havent been reading Gambit for a long time but I kinda like it. I can see why some of you dont like it though.


I hope it's the first in a number of teasers for a new team book, don't get me wrong i'd love a solo, but i think a new team book with a random assorment of Marvel characters like Hawkeye, Winter Soldier, Black Widow etc would be great on stealth operations.

But at the end of the day it's another book to read about Gambit in, so i'm happy, he's in three books now :)

[Neko]

Me too Red Eyes. I want to read about Gambit and this appears to fit the bill. Woot!!

[Moonshine]

I hope it's the first in a number of teasers for a new team book, don't get me wrong i'd love a solo, but i think a new team book with a random assorment of Marvel characters like Hawkeye, Winter Soldier, Black Widow etc would be great on stealth operations.

You and I are on a similar page. I great book where Gambit is main stealth member of the MU would be soooo cool.

[Askia32]

I'll hold my excitement till we find out who the writer is.

[Canemacar]

New Gambit series being teased?
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38068
What do you guys want to see in this? Also i see that a lot of people dont like the death persona, any reason why? Im still a fairly new reader so i havent been reading Gambit for a long time but I kinda like it. I can see why some of you dont like it though.

You know that feeling, when you walk into a dark room and suddenly realize theres someone else in there trying to be silent? This is like that; it remains to be seen if it's a surprise birthday, or a mugging.

[jrnewto]

I'll hold my excitement till we find out who the writer is.
It's obvious that the creative team will be Matt Fraction and David Aja (so hopefully some delving into the Guild history like they did with K'un L'un's).

[Askia32]

It's obvious that the creative team will be Matt Fraction and David Aja (so hopefully some delving into the Guild history like they did with K'un L'un's).

What makes it so obvious?


You know that feeling, when you walk into a dark room and suddenly realize theres someone else in there trying to be silent? This is like that; it remains to be seen if it's a surprise birthday, or a mugging.

Lol, true.

[red eyes]

It's obvious that the creative team will be Matt Fraction and David Aja (so hopefully some delving into the Guild history like they did with K'un L'un's).


What makes it so obvious?

I'd say it's defo not Fraction, his announcement is on Saturday, Gambits is on Sunday.

I'd prefer a mini to an ongoing, if the mini sells well then it turns into an ongoing, i think another cancelled Gambit ongoing wouldn't look good.

*fingers crossed* it's actually a team book that Gambits incharge of.

[damage_inc]

I'd say it's defo not Fraction, his announcement is on Saturday, Gambits is on Sunday.

I'd prefer a mini to an ongoing, if the mini sells well then it turns into an ongoing, i think another cancelled Gambit ongoing wouldn't look good.

*fingers crossed* it's actually a team book that Gambits incharge of.

I wouldn't worry too much about cancelation if it happens, quite a few series that Marvel has invested seriously into has flopped.. So it is becomiing less of an excuse to use it against Gambit. Really only his second series stunk, but I think it was almost set up to fail, Gambit was acting quite unlikable in the main x-titles at the time, and I remember there being confusion when the second series was taking place, was it before or after he blinded himself?

Sunday will go along way in telling us what chances this book will have to be successful, Creative Teams do matter.

[halla]

You know that feeling, when you walk into a dark room and suddenly realize theres someone else in there trying to be silent? This is like that; it remains to be seen if it's a surprise birthday, or a mugging.

This. I want to be excited that Marvel may be doing something with my favourite character, but I have absolutely no faith in them anymore when it comes to Gambit.


I wouldn't worry too much about cancelation if it happens, quite a few series that Marvel has invested seriously into has flopped.. So it is becomiing less of an excuse to use it against Gambit. Really only his second series stunk, but I think it was almost set up to fail, Gambit was acting quite unlikable in the main x-titles at the time, and I remember there being confusion when the second series was taking place, was it before or after he blinded himself?

Sunday will go along way in telling us what chances this book will have to be successful, Creative Teams do matter.

Aww. I loved Layman's run on Gambit. It was pure fun from beginning to end. Gambit #10, where Kitty gets him to teach students why cheating is bad, is one of my favourite issues of all time.

However, whatever happens in this new series (if that is what the announcement will be), it will never, ever be as bad as the second Gambit mini-series written by Howard Mackie with Sister Katrina.

[damage_inc]

The second series wasn't that bad, it just lacked direction, and it was the start of a period of time where the character as adrift in the main series.. Milligan came aboard the x-men soon after, and well that didn't help Gambit's situation either.

[Red Lotus]

It's obvious that the creative team will be Matt Fraction and David Aja (so hopefully some delving into the Guild history like they did with K'un L'un's).

Bleeding Cool is reporting that Fraction and Aja are doing Hawkeye and not Gambit.

[Red Lotus]

This. I want to be excited that Marvel may be doing something with my favourite character, but I have absolutely no faith in them anymore when it comes to Gambit.



Aww. I loved Layman's run on Gambit. It was pure fun from beginning to end. Gambit #10, where Kitty gets him to teach students why cheating is bad, is one of my favourite issues of all time.

However, whatever happens in this new series (if that is what the announcement will be), it will never, ever be as bad as the second Gambit mini-series written by Howard Mackie with Sister Katrina.

I hated the Layman series the writing and the art made it feel like a marvel adventures book. Fabian Nicieza Gambit will always go down as the best Gambit book ever it was a fun ride.

[halla]

Bleeding Cool is reporting that Fraction and Aja are doing Hawkeye and not Gambit.

This does not surprise me. Fraction apparently hates Gambit, and he's a big enough name that he can probably pick his projects at Marvel.


I hated the Layman series the writing and the art made it feel like a marvel adventures book. Fabian Nicieza Gambit will always go down as the best Gambit book ever it was a fun ride.

I can see how it might not be to everyone's taste. It's a bit like WatXM; you're either into the constant silliness or you're not.

I did like Fabian's run for the most part. He writes Gambit extremely well, and gets the character better than almost anyone. I thought he got bogged down in the New Son/Sun stuff, and it got a little convoluted and tedious at the end, though. If he was the new writer (which he won't be, since he's just dropped his DC book for being too busy), I would be very happy.

[Gemmy]

Layman's stuff was light-hearted. For what it was, it wasn't that bad. But, for serious stuff, definitely FabNic.

[Neko]

Layman's was light hearted but at the time, the character needed a bit of that. I enjoyed it though it really do anything with the character development wise. FabNic's stuff was good in the first year, after that, not so much. It was okay at best and awful with other things. New Son/Sun and Old Kingdom were just not appealing. Too much back story and not enough of Gambit being himself. He wasn't even fun the second half of the series.

While I think the second mini was bad. Nothing compares to the Gambit/Bishop mini for being awful. That has got to be the worst.

[The Shogun]

How about
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b59Q10oBnuk/S9SdxOHMIoI/AAAAAAAAA5A/WRUYoXyRECk/s1600/Black_Cat.jpg
and Remy?

[Moonshine]

How about Black Cat and Remy?

I have always assumed that they had at least met long before Gambit was an X-Man (we know they run into each other along with Spiderman since) and had a few one-nighters. I'm not big on the idea of basically just putting them together because they both happen to be thieves. Sort of one note but hanging out and have an adventure now and then. All for it.

[Gemmy]

Layman's was light hearted but at the time, the character needed a bit of that. I enjoyed it though it really do anything with the character development wise. FabNic's stuff was good in the first year, after that, not so much. It was okay at best and awful with other things. New Son/Sun and Old Kingdom were just not appealing. Too much back story and not enough of Gambit being himself. He wasn't even fun the second half of the series.

While I think the second mini was bad. Nothing compares to the Gambit/Bishop mini for being awful. That has got to be the worst.

I agree. The New Sun/Son stuff got tiresome because it just went on for too long. But FabNic still got a lot of things right and hey, at least he kept canon and characters in character.

That Bishop/Gambit LS was horrible. Probably as bad as the Katrina one. The Victims LS was better but the art wasn't.

[Gemmy]

I have always assumed that they had at least met long before Gambit was an X-Man (we know they run into each other along with Spiderman since) and had a few one-nighters. I'm not big on the idea of basically just putting them together because they both happen to be thieves. Sort of one note but hanging out and have an adventure now and then. All for it.

Didn't Black Cat and Remy meet in a book with Spidey? In the end, Spidey offered Gambit a lift home but apparently Black Cat made Remy a better offer and so he went off with her.

[Paradox Jast]

Didn't Black Cat and Remy meet in a book with Spidey? In the end, Spidey offered Gambit a lift home but apparently Black Cat made Remy a better offer and so he went off with her.

Web of Spider-Man #113

Yes, it was stated pretty much like that. It didn't leave much to the reader's imagination.

[Juggs]

Web of Spider-Man #113

Yes, it was stated pretty much like that. It didn't leave much to the reader's imagination.

I don't know, might have something between them but you know what the writers will do, but aren't they using BC as a love plot for DD.

[The Shogun]

I don't know, might have something between them but you know what the writers will do, but aren't they using BC as a love plot for DD.

she recently left for a time

[Gemmy]

Web of Spider-Man #113

Yes, it was stated pretty much like that. It didn't leave much to the reader's imagination.


Glad to know I didn't give wrong info :smile:


I don't know, might have something between them but you know what the writers will do, but aren't they using BC as a love plot for DD.

I'm willing to bet Marvel doesn't even remember that BC and Gambit even met :tongue:

[anyajenkins]

I think they need to concentrate on Gambit fighting/sneaky skills etc... Easy on any 'relationships' for the time being.

[Juggs]

I think they need to concentrate on Gambit fighting/sneaky skills etc... Easy on any 'relationships' for the time being.
^this what the mini should be focus on

[Sylarmax]

^this what the mini should be focus on

Yeah, because Liu writes very weak to Remy X_X :mad:

[The Shogun]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/GAMBIT2012001_DC11_02.jpg

[Moonshine]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/GAMBIT2012001_DC11_02.jpg

Clay Mann i know i will love the art. I'm liking what I see of the new costume too. The knee pads make way more sense and so do the more stealth like shoes/boots.

[Gemmy]

I'm hoping Asmus is a thorough professional and fantastic writer.

[red eyes]

Pretty excited for this book, looks good. Who would've thought Gambit would have a big role in two books?

[dbcb314]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paradox Jast]

Only took them years to realize that he does and has maintained a pretty big following over the years. He's had mini's because of his popularity, after all. And two previous other series, one was short lived, but the first one with Fab Nic was the longest running of any other X-char except Wolverine.

[damage_inc]

Only took them years to realize that he does and has maintained a pretty big following over the years. He's had mini's because of his popularity, after all. And two previous other series, one was short lived, but the first one with Fab Nic was the longest running of any other X-char except Wolverine.

Yes, it is quite telling that love for the character has endured through out the last few dubious years, where no one seemed willing to use Gambit in anything other a negative role. The shift was quite stunning; circumstances have been changing for Gambit the last couple of years and the character is getting more positive roles to play in the x-books again. So momentum is going in a more positive direction, which is all I can hope for.

[Shiver]

Oh man this is turning out to be a great year for Gambit! 3 books, 2 which with great writers that will do him justice. Now to only improve his standing in legacy and I could eDie happy. ^_^

*glad that Clay is getting rid of the full head sock, always hated that thing. XD

[Askia32]

Yes, it is quite telling that love for the character has endured through out the last few dubious years, where no one seemed willing to use Gambit in anything other a negative role. The shift was quite stunning; circumstances have been changing for Gambit the last couple of years and the character is getting more positive roles to play in the x-books again. So momentum is going in a more positive direction, which is all I can hope for.

Yea, I am excited that Gambit will finally be pulling away from Rogue, in that he will be his own man and not defined by her. I think he's a little more tied to X-Men now with X-23, and I'm pretty sure Liu is going to make a bromance with Remy and Logan. I also agree with other people hoping he will make his presence known with the Avengers. Good things are happening, and I hope it continues.

[Askia32]

Oh man this is turning out to be a great year for Gambit! 3 books, 2 which with great writers that will do him justice. Now to only improve his standing in legacy and I could eDie happy. ^_^

*glad that Clay is getting ride of the full head sock, always hated that thing. XD

I rather him leave Legacy all together.

[Moonshine]

I rather him leave Legacy all together.

I wouldn't. I know I haven't been crazy about Gambit in Legacy but Gage has not been as bad as Carey and if Wolverine can be in nearly a dozen books some of them not so great, Gambit can be in 3 and hope he can get better in Legacy.

[Paradox Jast]

The bigger the presence he has, the better, in my opinion. Even if it's pretty much as wallpaper. (Legacy)

Though I am curious how Liu is going to write Gambit now that he'll have a bigger presence in the MU. Since her book is now part of the current continuity, I'm assuming that she'll continue chatting with Gage, and now Asmus.

[Nite-Wing]

Only took them years to realize that he does and has maintained a pretty big following over the years. He's had mini's because of his popularity, after all. And two previous other series, one was short lived, but the first one with Fab Nic was the longest running of any other X-char except Wolverine.

Cable
X-man
Dazzler
Deadpool

Just a couple of X-characters that have also had solos that ran longer in addition to Wolverine. Still Gambit does have a brand since things that appeared in his character arc like the assassins guild is still relevant in the MU even when he isn't.

My only real worry is that this launch is random and it isn't really backed by anything. I means besides that one shot last year and the appearances hes made in Legacy and X-23 he hasn't really done anything.

[f4faith]

Cable
X-man
Dazzler
Deadpool

Cable and X-Man to me are the same thing. Riding off the same concept. And Dazzler's series was back when almost anything could sell and her book still failed. Deadpool and Cable and their book together I agree about.

[Sylarmax]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/GAMBIT2012001_DC11_02.jpg

Great, our Gambit, with new ongoing.

And not is written either by Liu or Carey. God hears the prayers

[Juggs]

Great, our Gambit, with new ongoing.

And not is written either by Liu or Carey. God hears the prayers

So true and that outfit needs to stay, I have to say Mann is just awesome with his art, and this outfit gives a even more modern feel to it.

[GambitXRemy]

why did gambit get demoted from group leader

[damage_inc]

why did gambit get demoted from group leader

Honestly, just circumstances. After Claremont's Uncanny X-Men run Gambit would move on to Xtreme X-Men. It was good that he got the opportunity to prove that he could convinclingly lead a squad if needed, it was just not something that has been picked up again especially with Cyclops return and Remy becoming an outsider again with the Apocalypse debacle.
Some characters need to the role of the leader while other do not. Good times though while it lasted!

[Gemmy]

Am I the only one who doesn't like that cover? I hope that's not the final on that.

[f4faith]

Am I the only one who doesn't like that cover? I hope that's not the final on that.

I like it. Yes the face and pose is a bit off but I love the purple and black and the movement in the trench coat.

[halla]

Am I the only one who doesn't like that cover? I hope that's not the final on that.

Yes, Gambit looks kind of awkwardly cut out and pasted. It strikes me more as a mock-up than a final cover, which may be what it is.

Everything I hear just makes more and more excited, though. A Gambit series written and drawn by two fans of the character, that is designed to rebuild his core concept as fun, sexy, flirty thief. It's like Marvel enjoys money or something.

[Neko]

Yes, Gambit looks kind of awkwardly cut out and pasted. It strikes me more as a mock-up than a final cover, which may be what it is.

Everything I hear just makes more and more excited, though. A Gambit series written and drawn by two fans of the character, that is designed to rebuild his core concept as fun, sexy, flirty thief. It's like Marvel enjoys money or something.

Yes! I'm excited about this book. The interviews were great, I like this creative team as well. Gambit should be a little more lithe in build but I won't hold that against the book. Finally - to read stories about Gambit.

[Gemmy]

Yes, Gambit looks kind of awkwardly cut out and pasted. It strikes me more as a mock-up than a final cover, which may be what it is.



Yes, I think you may be right.

[Canemacar]

Am I the only one who doesn't like that cover? I hope that's not the final on that.

I think it's just a promotional piece. There will likely be a different cover for the first issue, probably with a variant or two.

I like how his face turned out in that piece; it gives him an angular, aristocratic look.