Dirty Deeds w/ Nimrod!

[worstblogever]

Dirty Deeds!

"Dirty Deeds" is a series of threads where a discussion can be held about the morally questionable, or outright evil acts of characters in comics. It might be a discussion about times a hero crossed a moral line they shouldn't have, or a discussion of a villain's most horrific acts in their history, but the premise remains the same.

Where possible, a poll will be included to vote upon said character's "dirtiest deed".

Please do remember that there are no wrong answers, this is all a matter of opinion. Since everyone has a different set of morals, please try and respect differences in people's own beliefs.


Previous Dirty Deeds Features:

#1- Dark Beast (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=7127725#post7127725) #51- Yukio (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=266266)
#2- Mastermind (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=7146655#post7146655) #52- Rachel Grey (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=266951)
#3- Colossus (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=229287) #53- Callisto (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=267207)
#4- Donald Pierce (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=229784) #54- Iceman (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=269132)
#5- Feral (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=230381&page=5) #55- Sauron (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=269488)
#6- Pyro (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=230895) #56- Chamber (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=269943)
#7- Juggernaut (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231579 ) #57- Lila Cheney (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=270359)
#8- Sunfire (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=232010 ) #58- Deathbird (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=270855)
#9- Havok (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=232508) #59- Rusty Collins (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=271127)
#10- Emma Frost (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=232859) #60- Onslaught (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=271787)
#11- Rogue (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=233485) #61- Banshee (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=272340)
#12- Sage (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=233799) #62- Trevor Fitzroy (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=272865)
#13- Spiral (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=234401) #63- Frenzy (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=273449)
#14- Marrow (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=234789) #64- Cannonball (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=274071)
#15- Cameron Hodge (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=235473) #65- Holocaust (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=274348)
#16- Magik (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=236153) #66- Trish Tilby (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=275158)
#17- Empath (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=236552)
#18- Jean Grey (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=237110)
#19- Pete Wisdom (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=237681)
#20- Reverend Stryker (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=238243)
#21- Sunspot (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=239039)
#22- Arcade (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=239518)
#23- Gambit (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=240015)
#24- Aurora (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=240581)
#25- Mystique ( http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=241282)
#26- Monet St. Croix (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=248195)
#27- Scalphunter (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=248740)
#28- Angel ( http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=249638)
#29- Toad (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=250414)
#30- Sebastian Shaw (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=251215)
#31- Nightcrawler (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=252069)
#32- Warpath (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=252985)
#33- Blob (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=253491)
#34- Psylocke (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=254010)
#35- Henry Peter Gyrich (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=254646)
#36- Emplate (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=255480)
#37- Stacy X (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=255993)
#38- Omega Red (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=256700)
#39- Forge (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=258668)
#40- Shadow King (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=258951)
#41- Dazzler (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=260691)
#42- Beak (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=261375)
#43- Fabian Cortez (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=261805)
#44- Deadpool (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=262816)
#45- Belasco (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=263365)
#46- Kitty Pryde (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=264101)
#47- Scarlet Witch (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=264356)
#48- Black Tom Cassidy (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=264956)
#49- Northstar (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=265326)
#50- Apocalypse (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=266029)



With the sixty-seventh edition of Dirty Deeds we’re looking at a seemingly cold, unfeeling machine, who’s out to alter its own future by killing all mutants, and human ne’er-do-wells in the past… that’s right, it’s everyone’s favorite chromatically-challenged Omega unit Sentinel known as…

Nimrod!!!

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/2/23/Nimrod_II_001.gif/200px-Nimrod_II_001.gif

[worstblogever]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/0/05/Uncanny_X-Men_209.jpg/300px-Uncanny_X-Men_209.jpg

So what is Nimrod’s "Dirtiest Deed"?


- With its first conscious thought, attempting to neutralize Kate Pryde of Earth-811? (revealed in Excalibur (vol. 1) #66)

- Murdering a mugger in the New York Subway? (Uncanny X-Men #193)

- Impersonating a human, and lying to Jamie Rodriguez about his true nature so he could move in with there family and abuse their computer modem to gather intel? (Uncanny X-Men #193-197)

- Going to a bank and attacking Juggernaut, Rachel Summers, and Kitty Pryde? (Uncanny X-Men #194)

- Executing two “stick-up” thieves, reducing them to ash with its blasters? (Uncanny X-Men #197)

- Attempting to exterminate Rachel Summers while she was weakened from being stabbed by Wolveirne? (Uncanny X-Men #208)

- Executing both Friedrich Von Roehm, and battling the X-Men and Hellfire Club, leading to the death of Harry Leland as well? (Uncanny X-Men #208-209)

- Exterminating an entire drug den full of criminals and stealing the money therein? (Uncanny X-Men #246)

- Attacking the X-Men at a construction site, and then pulling Rogue through the Siege Perilous with itself? (Uncanny X-Men #247)

- Attempting to kill all of X-Force, only relenting when it was convinced to run the numbers to see if exterminating mutants in the past would actually preserve, or kill more lives? (X-Force (vol. 1) #35)

- Murdering an alternate timeline's Storm, than threatening her and Forge's kids to get that timeline's Forge to send it further back in time? (revealed in New X-Men (vol. 2) #29)

- After arriving in the present, again, and telling Reverend Stryker key intelligence to lead him on a strike against the depowered Academy X students, but only as a distraction so he could murder two Purifiers and escape captivity? (New X-Men (vol. 2) #24-27)

- Holding Forge hostage, and demanding he build him a new robot body, then using it to attack the New X-Men? (New X-Men (vol. 2) #28-31)

- Merging with the head of Bastion to help him be reborn, and begin a new stratagem of mutant extermination? (X-Force (vol. 3) #1)



He’s a big, bad robot who’s somehow still threatening despite his creators giving him a pink paint-job, out to capture or kill anything with an X-gene or inconvenient humans! Now vote for what you think was the worst of Nimrod’s “Dirty Deeds”!


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[Elijah Dexan]

Giving Stryker the ability to execute half the New X-Men cast. I mean the whole Yost-Kyle was one big massacre-fest that is attributed to good ole' Nimrod. And out of all the New Mutants to die Rockslide lives. Truly that is the dirtiest deeds of all.

[misterrhys]

Giving Stryker the ability to execute half the New X-Men cast. I mean the whole Yost-Kyle was one big massacre-fest that is attributed to good ole' Nimrod. And out of all the New Mutants to die Rockslide lives. Truly that is the dirtiest deeds of all.

Meanie.

So... can none of Bastion's actions be attributed to Nimrod? Aren't they the same thing?

[limerick]

Meanie.

So... can none of Bastion's actions be attributed to Nimrod? Aren't they the same thing?
Hey,magic Avatar,misterrhys!That sonic effect is cool!Welcome to the X-threads

Re:Nimrod.I have to say I was always a fan of his and much of his '80s appearances were devoted to getting rid of scumbags(in a Punisher sort of way.He always seemed to be saving people from petty crime while he was hiding out under his secret identity)) or obeying programming....so he's got an excuse....just!

[coveredinbees]

By far:
- Executing both Friedrich Von Roehm, and battling the X-Men and Hellfire Club, leading to the death of Harry Leland as well? (Uncanny X-Men #208-209)

Giving Rev. Stryker knowledge of the future to hunt depowered Academy X students to aid its escape?-It led to a lot of deaths, but most of the blame lies with Stryker.

[Filthy Mutie]

The Xavier Slaughterhouse For Gifted Youngsters intel was by far the dirtiest deed.

[Zarathustra]

The two deeeds of killing criminals. They arecriminals, but still dirty deeds.

[x_goalkeeper]

Pretending to be human and executing criminals to endear himself to Jaime Rodriguez.. to get information?

The other one involving killing of criminals and robbing them was also dirty but the Jaime Rodriquez deal seemed a little more dirty.

[worstblogever]

Meanie.

So... can none of Bastion's actions be attributed to Nimrod? Aren't they the same thing?

Sort of. This is gonna get convoluted as all get-out.

The whole origin of most of the advanced Sentinels is a whole time paradox that goes a little something confusing like this (this is the life of Nimrod, time-hopping, in his own time frame, and how Bastion spills out of it).

Step 1: Project Nimrod begins as Shaw convinces Senator Kelly to invest in his Sentinel Projects. in Uncanny #135, not long after the Dark Phoenix Saga.
Step 2: In X-Force (vol. 1) #36, Cable and X-Force battle the earliest Nimrod, and get it to apparently shut down when it realizes it will do more harm than good.
Step 3: Excalibur (vol. 1) #66 reveals... Nimrod came back online due to a power surge when Rachel Summers used her powers.
Step 4: Nimrod follows Rachel back in time, arriving for the briefest of moments in an alternate timeline, where it killed the wife of that Earth's Forge, and then threatened his children, forcing him to send him further into time after Rachel. (revealed during the "Nimrod" arc of New X-Men (vol. 2) #29).
Step 5: Nimrod arrived further back, during the time of Academy X (as revealed in New X-Men (vol. 2) #31.) He appeared before Rev. Stryker, and was held by him, forced to give knowledge of the future. In a gambit, he used this to make his way to the Forge of Earth-616, who he hoped would repair him, as his alternate Earth counterpart did. While during his battle with the New X-Men, Nimrod would transfer himself from his old body (leaving this one behind), to a new one created by Forge... and escape back into the time stream where he'd continue after his true quarry, Rachel Summers, and arrive...
Step 6: in Uncanny X-Men #193, just at the end of the whole Kulan Gath storyline. He proceeds during all of the following issues, when living with the Rodriguez family, to fight with his own programming, as he's starting to refer to himself as "I", and not "this unit", due to potential emotional attachments to the family, itself. Potentially, Nimrod was going to "evolve" into wanting to be human (important for the Bastion thing).
Step 7: Nimrod has his initial attack of Juggernaut at the bank and flees in Uncanny #194.
Step 8: After fleeing and laying low, planning against the X-Men, and Rachel Summers, Nimrod takes another shot at offing all of them, as well as the Hellfire Club's Lords Cardinal, in Uncanny #208-209.
Step 9: Nimrod laid low for awhile, after nearly being destroyed in battle in Uncanny #209, and continued pretending to be human, getting a job as a construction worker (with Jaime Rodriguez, actually), and killing criminals, when he encountered them in Uncanny X-Men #246.
Step 10: In Uncanny X-Men #247, on site at work, he found some of the remains of Master Mold (that had been left when destroyed by the Power Pack in Power Pack (vol. 1) #36), and despite being primitive technology compared to his own, Master Mold co-opted his own programming, forced him to transform into his robotic self, and grow to large size. After being defeated and sucked into the Siege Perilous, dragging Rogue along the way, Nimrod was not heard from for some time.
Step 11: The Siege Perilous judged the souls of what went through, and when looking at Nimrod, saw his behavior with the Rodriguez family. Its anomalous nature made the Siege decide to give him a form of flesh, and a second chance at leading a better life... as Bastion (revealed in Machine Man/Bastion Annual '98, Cable/Machine Man Annual '98).
Step 12: Now Bastion, that second chance at life was used to try and capture and exterminate all mutants, as per Nimrod's original programming, and it carried this out during "Operation Zero Tolerance".
Step 13: Bastion was captured at the end of OZT, and while in federal custody, Wolverine, serving as Apocalypse's Horseman Death, encountered him and cut his head off. (Astonishing X-Men #1-3)
Step 14: Bastion's head was a threat through the short lived Warlock series (Warlock #6-8), and managed to create holograms to play mind-games with Wolverine, Shadowcat, and Gambit when they went to the unmanned SHIELD facility where it was being kept in X-Men: Declassified.
Step 15: Bastion's head was stolen by the Purifiers, and placed on the body of Nimrod left behind with Forge, that was also taken into SHIELD custody in New X-Men, and both components were reassembled into a new Bastion in X-Force (vol. 3) #1.
Step 16: In X-Force (vol. 3) #2, Bastion calculated there was no way on Earth the Purifiers' cause against mutants could be won, based off of its future knowledge, so it decided a different strategem to greatly increase its chances. It send Purifiers to recover the body of the techno-organic being Magus from the bottom of the ocean, and used part of its form to create a techno-organic offspring... that it co-opted into its own form, and began to reanimate old "allies" of the X-Men's mutant hating foes that it could control via a new "reprogrammed" techno-organic virus under its control. (X-Force (vol. 3) #3). And that's what Bastion's been up to in X-books since.

Sources:
Uncannyxmnen.net profile of Master Mold (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=11&fldAuto=139)
Uncannyxmen.net profile of Nimrod (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=11&fldAuto=142)
Uncannyxmen.net profile of Bastion. (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=11&fldAuto=140)

[coveredinbees]

having a name like NIMROD is a dirty deed in it self.
He's a mighty hunter of mutants.

[Disco Jess Minge]

This is superfluous. Nimrod isn't evil, the people who programmed him is. He's just a robot with sentience, but someone had to write the program up to give him that AI.

And I'm not too upset that he tried to kill Rachel Summers.

[The Lucky One]

- Merging with the head of Bastion to help him be reborn, and begin a new stratagem of mutant extermination? (X-Force (vol. 3) #1)

Wait... what? I'm no X-Force (vol. 3) reader, but how did that work? Bastion himself was the result of Nimrod merging with the Master Mold. Then Bastion and Nimrod's personalities were deleted and the Master Mold's mind was overwritten to become Template. But even if Bastion returned... uh, somehow, how did Nimrod merge with a head that was itself the result of him merging with someone else?

My head hurts. Was it a different Nimrod?

EDIT: Okay, wbe's last post answered... some of those questions, but it still doesn't explain how Bastion's personality returned from Template. And how the second Nimrod came back to merge with Bastion. And how the Magus got on the bottom of the ocean, after last being seen fleeing Earth in Warlock #9. Has X-Force answered any of those questions?

-D

[Prodigy55]

I love Nimrod, but his dirtiest deed was causing the death of all my babies :(

[CmX]

Being a big pink robot is a dirty enough deed.

[marvell2100]

I don't think that he needed to kill those people in order for Jamie to like him. One or two maybe.

[Hakael]

Technically Jay Guthrie (Icarus) was the one who gave Stryker the info he needed for the Bus attack. Nimrod gave them the projections of the results of their assault.

[worstblogever]

Wait... what? I'm no X-Force (vol. 3) reader, but how did that work? Bastion himself was the result of Nimrod merging with the Master Mold. Then Bastion and Nimrod's personalities were deleted and the Master Mold's mind was overwritten to become Template. But even if Bastion returned... uh, somehow, how did Nimrod merge with a head that was itself the result of him merging with someone else?

My head hurts. Was it a different Nimrod?

EDIT: Okay, wbe's last post answered... some of those questions, but it still doesn't explain how Bastion's personality returned from Template. And how the second Nimrod came back to merge with Bastion. And how the Magus got on the bottom of the ocean, after last being seen fleeing Earth in Warlock #9. Has X-Force answered any of those questions?

-D

That's part of what's been good about X-Force... they haven't sweated the convoluted details of crap like that. Bastion/Nimrod's destinies are just intertwined, as are their programming. Through the timeline, they just keep finding each other, now.

[The Lucky One]

That's part of what's been good about X-Force... they haven't sweated the convoluted details of crap like that. Bastion/Nimrod's destinies are just intertwined, as are their programming. Through the timeline, they just keep finding each other, now.

But... I want crap like that explained. And how the techno-organic virus disappeared from Limbo. I like when writers acknowledge that they know what's happened in the past, instead of pretending it didn't happen.

There's limits, obviously, but I do think there's a difference between "Oh my God, Jean Grey clearly had short hair when she died but now it's long, WTF?!?" and, you know, "Hey, the character who's the centerpiece of our story no longer exists, maybe we can spare three panels to revive him." (Which, to be fair, is not entirely the fault of the writer... that's what editors are for, right?) It's just, guys like Gruenwald, Busiek, Waid, etc. all managed to tell great stories that made use of obscure continuity, but were still new reader-friendly. Not saying everyone needs to do that, but it's appreciated whenever writers make the effort.

-D