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[Dreadstar]

ouch, that wasnt just a little biased. "take thier rights away"? american colonists rebelled because they didnt want to be treated like most other british citizens; as in pay taxes, support the empire, and stop fucking over the native indians.

Are the details of the rebellion important to the point of the show, or is it enough that there *was* a rebellion for independence?

[BlairH]

ouch, that wasnt just a little biased. "take thier rights away"? american colonists rebelled because they didnt want to be treated like most other british citizens; as in pay taxes, support the empire, and stop fucking over the native indians.

We treated American Colonists much like second class citizens in our "Empire".

[Endel]

Well, you do have to remember that Britain was asking the American colonists to pay all of the entry fees of being a British citizen without reaping any of the benefits.
i havent heard of that before but i wont argue it. what i WILL argue is that the american colonists paid LESS in regular taxes then citizens living in the british isles, so the tax you mentioned might have been to offset that. and none of the benefits? traders and merchents got to sell good (badly needed goods with huge markets) to britain with little or no duties.

[Michael P]

i havent heard of that before but i wont argue it.
You're in college and you haven't heard "No taxation without representation?"

[BlairH]

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[Endel]

You're in college and you haven't heard "No taxation without representation?"
taxation without representation doesnt necessarily entail "pay all of the entry fees of being a British citizen without reaping any of the benefits"

[BlairH]

taxation without representation doesnt necessarily entail "pay all of the entry fees of being a British citizen without reaping any of the benefits"

Wouldn't representation be one of those benefits?

[Endel]

Wouldn't representation be one of those benefits?
possibly but not neccessarily. just like one could be represented but not have all the amenities of living in britain. my point being that michael pullman used the phrase "entry fees of being a British citizen", which really doesnt connect with "taxation without representation" since most colonists were immigrants (or the children of immigrants) from britain and had untill close to the revolution considered themselves (and been considered by the english government) to be british citizens.

[BlairH]

possibly but not neccessarily. just like one could be represented but not have all the amenities of living in britain.

Yes, but I'd argue that representation is such an important part of contemporary life that it is morally unjust to deny representation to one part of your empire whilst fairly representing another and proclaiming that both parts had all of the amenities of living in the UK.

[BlairH]

http://www.saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=191

Hooray for "activist" Judges!

[Phrozen]

possibly but not neccessarily. just like one could be represented but not have all the amenities of living in britain. my point being that michael pullman used the phrase "entry fees of being a British citizen", which really doesnt connect with "taxation without representation" since most colonists were immigrants (or the children of immigrants) from britain and had untill close to the revolution considered themselves (and been considered by the english government) to be british citizens.

Yes, but Parliament had already passed a bill that revoked the English Bill of Rights for the colonies, so while the colonists had to pay taxes to the British government, they got none of the gurantees provided to other tax paying citizens.