Cable #15 review/summary. (spoilspoilspoil)

[Come To Deathstrike]

I am lazy, and cannot be bothered to do anything time consuming or hars, so I will make a LIST.

IMPORTANT POINTS


So like, wolverine has NO EYES in this issue, lol.


It turns out mysterious chair girl is KIDEN NIXON. Who X-23 recognises as self-friend or w/e. So the fact X-23 was a hookah is INCONTINUITY


Deadpool got a really big gun. But got his ass killed. why? Because he's not funny. He is all thinkin' he killed Stryfe and tryna' be funny. Den Stryfe comes back AND RIPS HIM THE F**K IN HALF. Moment of my life.


Vanisher and domino discuss MERCY KILLINGS AND EUTHANASIA IN RELATION TO KIDEN. DEEP AND CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES.They have to kill Kiden or something to get rid of the chronal net or w/e that plot point is.


Apparently, Cable has X-ray vision.


Apparently, if you rip out wolverine's eyes he will go insane, and try and kill everyone close. Oh, and he wants to eat Cable. I take this as repressed "Ihatecyclops" issues.


Stryfe wants to convert messiahbaby,jpg into stryfe2.pdf Or something to that effect.


Bishop once again fails to kill a baby. Stryfe laughs. Bishop one-arm crawls around on the floor, not dignified for a black man.


Elixir looks old (noscans)


Oh, and Apocalypse plugged himself into the mains and hulked out or something. He is repowered! By SHIP/Prosh/Providence/Celestial city. WHATEVER that thing is.


I was amused, but it needed less deapool. He's gone now though, Goodtimes.

8/10 (cus' deadpool died)

[frog]

Well, I wasn't expecting Kid Nixon.

[darknessatnoon]

Well, I wasn't expecting Kid Nixon.

You should have. Stryfe and Wolverine were shown in NYX. We also saw the chronal chamber there in a future dream sequence with her dead daddy. Also, X-23's shame at seeing Old Lady should have indicated her whorish past to any careful readers.

[frog]

You should have. Stryfe and Wolverine were shown in NYX. We also saw the chronal chamber there in a future dream sequence with her dead daddy. Also, X-23's shame at seeing Old Lady should have indicated her whorish past to any careful readers.

Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.

[timbox]

Elixir scans please.

[Faded]

LOL

Make summary threads ALWAYS, Josef.

[Shyft]

was Archangel featured at all?

Awesome summary by the way :D

[chickrockguitar]

Woah! Kiden, really?!
Aww, Wade died...
Can't wait to get mine tomorrrow!

[Come To Deathstrike]

LOL

Make summary threads ALWAYS, Josef.

lol, kay.
LOVEYOURAVATAR.


was Archangel featured at all?

Awesome summary by the way :D

He was a glorified bus this issue.


Woah! Kiden, really?!
Aww, Wade died...
Can't wait to get mine tomorrrow!

We do not AAAAW the death of Deadpool.
We celebrate it with a festival.

[chickrockguitar]

Why'd you hate Deadpool?

[darknessatnoon]

Why'd you hate Deadpool?

LOL

Here we go...

[frog]

Deadpool may be cracked but he does recogize the magnificence of Bea Arthur.

[Shyft]

He was a glorified bus this issue.



An emo, blue, winged bus!

[Quinnhop]

An emo, blue, winged bus!

Yet, at the same time that he had Apocalypse wings, his skin was white and his hair was blonde. I'm confused.

Is it just a way of showing his control/skilzz have improved?

[RoguishGurl]

I think this was the best issue of Messiah War so far. The Kiden reveal was really shocking to me and I didn't expect it.

I really can't wait to see what happens in the final issue.

[Majinoaw]

Deadpool may be cracked but he does recogize the magnificence of Bea Arthur.

Maude had one of the best theme songs ever. Good times. Well what is the secret regarding the Messiah child?

[Shyft]

Yet, at the same time that he had Apocalypse wings, his skin was white and his hair was blonde. I'm confused.

Is it just a way of showing his control/skilzz have improved?

probably. Although i would prefer it if he didnt mix the two looks. Blue skin should always be coupled with the metal wings, and white skin with feathers, imo.

[Hi-Fi]

The Kiden revelation was very cool.

Deadpool should be drawn as Ryan Reynolds from now on.

[timbox]

Deadpool should be drawn as Ryan Reynolds from now on.

http://www.10mfh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/deadpool.jpg

[Prodigy55]

yummm kiden!

[megaman x]

I am lazy, and cannot be bothered to do anything time consuming or hars, so I will make a LIST.

IMPORTANT POINTS


So like, wolverine has NO EYES in this issue, lol.


It turns out mysterious chair girl is KIDEN NIXON. Who X-23 recognises as self-friend or w/e. So the fact X-23 was a hookah is INCONTINUITY


Deadpool got a really big gun. But got his ass killed. why? Because he's not funny. He is all thinkin' he killed Stryfe and tryna' be funny. Den Stryfe comes back AND RIPS HIM THE F**K IN HALF. Moment of my life.


Vanisher and domino discuss MERCY KILLINGS AND EUTHANASIA IN RELATION TO KIDEN. DEEP AND CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES.They have to kill Kiden or something to get rid of the chronal net or w/e that plot point is.


Apparently, Cable has X-ray vision.


Apparently, if you rip out wolverine's eyes he will go insane, and try and kill everyone close. Oh, and he wants to eat Cable. I take this as repressed "Ihatecyclops" issues.


Stryfe wants to convert messiahbaby,jpg into stryfe2.pdf Or something to that effect.


Bishop once again fails to kill a baby. Stryfe laughs. Bishop one-arm crawls around on the floor, not dignified for a black man.


Elixir looks old (noscans)


Oh, and Apocalypse plugged himself into the mains and hulked out or something. He is repowered! By SHIP/Prosh/Providence/Celestial city. WHATEVER that thing is.


I was amused, but it needed less deapool. He's gone now though, Goodtimes.

8/10 (cus' deadpool died)

Does Cable have x-ray vision with his 2 eyes? I'd understand with the bionic one, but the other?

Stryfe converting Hope? He wants to torment Cable, the same way he did with Tyler (Nathan's stepson).

Wolverine going insane, do u think it has something to do with the time device?
What do u think, Josef?

[Hi-Fi]

http://www.10mfh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/deadpool.jpg
http://fiztv.uol.com.br/blogs/kapow/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ryan_reynolds_deadpool_x_men_origins_wolverine.jpg

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Did X-23 do anything amazing and fantastic this issue?

[Prodigy55]

Way back in some issue NYX: No Way Home, there was a vision with Cable fighting Stryfe and Kiden hooked up to some machine. :eek:

[DeadXMan]

Deadpool may be cracked but he does recogize the magnificence of Bea Arthur.

Her Passing must of been what drove into the meat locker for a thousand years.:frown:

[chickrockguitar]

Way back in some issue NYX: No Way Home, there was a vision with Cable fighting Stryfe and Kiden hooked up to some machine. :eek:Really? I don't remember that, lol. Any scans?

[darknessatnoon]

Really? I don't remember that, lol. Any scans?

Yes, I mentioned it earlier in this thread. Pay more attention.

[CMBMOOL]

Way back in some issue NYX: No Way Home, there was a vision with Cable fighting Stryfe and Kiden hooked up to some machine. :eek:

Creepy...YES!!!

[protogarrett]

So what was the surprise about the Messiah Child? O.o

[Robbiebob_16]

Wow.. Kiden? NiCe!!. I'm picking up this book tomorrow too. By the way, I actually will miss Deadpool: that is the Deadpool that's written by Yost and Kyle. Quite frankly, I just thought he was funnier and more zany written in the X-force crossovers.

[Prodigy55]

here is the pic from NYX: no way home

http://i41.tinypic.com/15fol7l.jpg

[Red Lotus]

http://www.10mfh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/deadpool.jpg

Thats Scott Adkins not Ryan Reynolds.

[Psycwave]

Was there no Catiana?

[Raptor]

Deadpool was torn in half, that in no way means he died.

I rather liked the issue as well.

[chickrockguitar]

here is the pic from NYX: no way home

http://i41.tinypic.com/15fol7l.jpgAh. Thanks for that. I'd forgotten that. NYX finished too long ago, lol.

[rwsmith]

Apparently, Cable has X-ray vision.

Look again. That's actually how Logan views Cable in his animalistic state. Cable is saying things to Logan and the "X-ray view" is from Logan's perspective (probably trying to depict his heightened senses in visual form) and how Logan perceives Cable's words in his brain-damaged state. You'll even note that his left arm is techno-organic in those X-ray shots.


here is the pic from NYX: no way home

http://i41.tinypic.com/15fol7l.jpg

Wow. That is cool. How long ago was that series written and by whom? Must've been someone who knew what was coming up in Messiah War. Either that, or Kyle and/or Yost read NYX and this image sparked some idea in their head(s) so that decided to use Kiden as the time trap.

Regardless, I thought this issue was definitely better than the last. I still know I'm going to leave this crossover disappointed, however, because of the following:

- We won't find out who Hope is (that much was made obvious this issue with all of the teases);

- Cable and Hope won't return from the far future (as the solicitations for upcoming months give away); and

- Basically nothing of any lasting impact will have happened by the end of this thing (I'm hoping the conclusion proves me wrong on this one at least, but that's what I'm feeling at the moment).

When this crossover was announced I was fired up as it had a ton of potential! If nothing of any real consequence takes place, however, color me disappointed. I guess we'll have to wait for Act III of the damn "Messiah Trilogy" before Hope is revealed and Cable either returns to the present or dies for good. :frown:

[ZeoVGM]

Well jeez, I simply can't take anyone seriously who thinks Deadpool isn't funny.

Great issue though. Messiah War has been very good.

[Kusanagi]

Deadpool was torn in half, that in no way means he died.

I rather liked the issue as well.

Agreed ripped in half with his legs like right there for him to crawl too, assuming he's dead is quite a leap. Hell he's still talking post being ripped in half :tongue:

Which is good cause Pool has been cool this crossover, though the WTF did he get big gun from was a bit jarring.

I still can't warm up to the art in cable while the characters themselves are okay, the objects they hold and lack of backgrounds makes them seem out of place.

[ShatterStar]

after what deadpools been through theres no way hes even close to dieing .

its not his time yet

[Mia]

Well jeez, I simply can't take anyone seriously who thinks Deadpool isn't funny.

.

For me the highlight of the story was him babbling about severance.

[darknessatnoon]

For me the highlight of the story was him babbling about severance.

It's a reference to Swierczyinski's book Severance Pay. Brilliant novel.

[Raker616]

Another wild issue, Styfe continues to get more badass by the day I love how he's being portrayed as the ultimate badguy that he really is. With 1 more issue to go it's going to be interesting to see how Messiah War ends and I really hope that this is the beginning of Stryfe being a threat to the X-teams for a long time to go and this not being just another X-Cutioner's Song with a bad ending.

[Zomling]

Another wild issue, Styfe continues to get more badass by the day I love how he's being portrayed as the ultimate badguy that he really is. With 1 more issue to go it's going to be interesting to see how Messiah War ends and I really hope that this is the beginning of Stryfe being a threat to the X-teams for a long time to go and this not being just another X-Cutioner's Song with a bad ending.

I agree, bringing back Stryfe has been a great move and he is finally living up to his potential. Let's hope they don't just kill him off or send him back to comics limbo for another decade. Or worse, let Loeb write him.

[DeadXMan]

after what deadpools been through theres no way hes even close to dieing .

its not his time yet

and the whole Thanos cock-blocking him for all eternity thing

[FeminineMystique]

WOW. Bishop's level of suck continues to climb ever higher. Seriously pal, it's a damn kid. You're a muscle bound cyborg with super powers. How hard can it be to kill it!? Not content with being terrible at being a super hero, apparently he's decided to be terrible at being a supervillain too.

I look forward to seeing what job Bishop will fail at next. Perhaps he could be a terrible gardener, or a terrible baker? Or a terrible writer since Uncanny will need one to take over from Fraction when he leaves

[Pugfugly]

I re-read this issue last night and made a shocking discovery. I noticed that on the panel where Stryfe rips Deadpool in half, he has Cable's half-techno neck. At first I thought Olivetti copy and pasted a different shot of Cable's head, but as I went back through he has the techno neck throughout.

Of course after that I had to start going through previous issues. I believe in Cable #14 Stryfe has a normal, exposed neck. Next chapter, X-Force #15, Clayton Crain draws him with a fully metallic neck that appears to be part of his costume. And then, of course, in Cable #15 he's got the Cable neck.

I've deduced that this means one of three things:

1. Wolverine sliced his neck covering at the same time as his mask, leaving it half exposed.

2. "Stryfe" is actually a mind-washed Cable plucked from a different point in the time stream. (This explains his lack of memories of his death...not to mention the death itself.)

3. Olivetti screwed up. Nuff said.

What do you guys think?

[chickrockguitar]

Got my issue. It was okay.
Not keen on some of the art. Josh looked 60, lol. I didn't expect Kiden!
Really liked the X-23/Domino/Vanisher/Deadpool stuff. Looking foward to next issue.

[tent]

So Bishop has once again created the future he tried to stop.

By seeking out Stryfe's help he has ensured that Stryfe will raise Hope to be the monster she is to be.

[Prodigy55]

I loathe Bishop now, it's not because of him trying to kill the baby. It's because he kidnapped Kiden and hooked her up to that death machine thing. SO. RUDE.

[Fatguy]

I thought the issue was good, but they really should have planned out the action oriented issues so that they wouldn't land on Olivetti's turn to draw.

I hope Apocalypse eats Stryfe next issue.

[7thangel]

I loathe Bishop now, it's not because of him trying to kill the baby. It's because he kidnapped Kiden and hooked her up to that death machine thing. SO. RUDE.
well, they finally put the final nail in the coffin of evil for him. :rolleyes:

so they possibly will kill kiden, so no more stories of her, felon, her budding relationship with felon, or lil' bro and the the next chick (if there was ever going to be one again)

or they don't and find a way to separate her and bring her back (which they have no tech to do anyways), her fate as a grandma is sealed.

so possibly 4 more mutants dead/limbo for what? a messiah brat :rolleyes:

and a redhead one :evilangry:

redhead/ginge = evil.
ginge mutant = devil in the flesh

[darknessatnoon]

well, they finally put the final nail in the coffin of evil for him. :rolleyes:

so they possibly will kill kiden, so no more stories of her, felon, her budding relationship with felon, or lil' bro and the the next chick (if there was ever going to be one again)

or they don't and find a way to separate her and bring her back (which they have no tech to do anyways), her fate as a grandma is sealed.

so possibly 4 more mutants dead/limbo for what? a messiah brat :rolleyes:

and a redhead one :evilangry:

redhead/ginge = evil.
ginge mutant = devil in the flesh

That future was altered by her father in the NYX mini. That was his entire purpose in engineering the plot of the series. The Kiden from this issue is an alternate future Kiden.

[BulletSpeed]

Didnt like this issue at all. The writing seems off compaired to the X-Force issues, and the art here plain sucks IMO. Drawing Archangel in human form but with metal wings was stupid to me. The depiction of Wolverine as a canabalistic savage was stupid. X-23's reactions were uncharacteristic. Deadpool isnt funny or cool in this issue. All in all I wish this had been a stand alone mini written buy Kyle and Yost, with art by either Crain or Choi.

[Victorious]

I love Kiden's appearance. And Marjorie teasing us about Messiah War with us not even knowing was great. I also like Laura's friendship with her being mentioned.

Domino and Vanisher dialogues and moments together are priceless. Hope to see more of their interactions in X-Force. Whatever happened to Porter's vomiting?!

I hate how they portrayed Bishop as incompetent as they portrayed him. He was an excellent hero and should be an excellent villain. If they don't want him to hurt Hope just make it seem he can't because of a reasonable reason, not because he keeps missing every time he throws energy at someone. If you decide to make him a villian, make him a good one.

The battle scenes where confusing at moments, you could tell where the characters were and punch and kicks appeared from nowhere.

Love the end, can't wait for Kyle & Yost ending issue!

[pariah-1972]

I am so freaking bored with this book.
Deadpool was about the only thing that saved me from insanity from reading this pointless\ stupid\ boring\ lazy\ book that doesn't tell us a damn thing and all the characters are acting like ciphers of there original selves and the plot if you wanna call it that is going absolutely nowhere.

I'm not reading Cable anymore until we get some goddamn answers about Hope i'm tired of being dragged around with this b.s.

Marvel get a clue you can only drag a mystery around for so long before people give up because the answer is never going to be as good as peoples expectation.s

[Come To Deathstrike]

I am so freaking bored with this book.
Deadpool was about the only thing that saved me from insanity from reading this pointless\ stupid\ boring\ lazy\ book that doesn't tell us a damn thing and all the characters are acting like ciphers of there original selves and the plot if you wanna call it that is going absolutely nowhere.

I'm not reading Cable anymore until we get some goddamn answers about Hope i'm tired of being dragged around with this b.s.

Marvel get a clue you can only drag a mystery around for so long before people give up because the answer is never going to be as good as peoples expectation.s

You say deadpool like he is a positive point.
YOUR OPINION HAS BEEN RENDERED MOOT.

[Sighphi]

Back on topic.

When did this Cable get infected with the T/O virus?

[DeadXMan]

Back on topic.

When did this Cable get infected with the T/O virus?

in inferno

all thanks to his dad abandoned him and his mama to play in spandex with his ex-dead girlfriend.

[7thangel]

in inferno

all thanks to his dad abandoned him and his mama to play in spandex with his ex-dead girlfriend.
what a douche bag. he should go back in time and put a condom on it if he's not going to step up and be a dad. scotts a deadbeat dad

[Sighphi]

in inferno

all thanks to his dad abandoned him and his mama to play in spandex with his ex-dead girlfriend.

This Cable is not the original Cable, this one comes from the House of M.

[DeadXMan]

what a douche bag. he should go back in time and put a condom on it if he's not going to step up and be a dad. scotts a deadbeat dad

and thanks to that Baby Nate gets tossed into a dystopian future ruled by Apocalypse, where he is cloned nd that kid is raised by A-poc and becomes Stryf.
Strf unleashes the legacy virus. Therefore Scott is responsible for the legacy virus, which resulted in the deaths of millions mutants.

Savior of the mutant race? More like executioner.:rolleyes:

[7thangel]

and thanks to that Baby Nate gets tossed into a dystopian future ruled by Apocalypse, where he is cloned nd that kid is raised by A-poc and becomes Stryf.
Strf unleashes the legacy virus. Therefore Scott is responsible for the legacy virus, which resulted in the deaths of millions mutants.

Savior of the mutant race? More like executioner.:rolleyes:crossing fingers for a mini 'end of summers'. it may erase the newest summers mary sue, ruby, who is the most unluckiest of all his seeds...she actually has to be around him

[DeadXMan]

This Cable is not the original Cable, this one comes from the House of M.

that was the orginal cable his personality were split arcoss the omniverse
but his form remained here and reshaped itself to a baby cause the only thing left in the body was the baby philax when Wanda's wave hit..

since wade pulled out at the same time No More mutants were spoke nether he Sam, Baby cable or Syrian were effected by it :wink:

[Sighphi]

that was the orginal cable his personality were split arcoss the omniverse
but his form remained here and reshaped itself to a baby cause the only thing left in the body was the baby philax when Wanda's wave hit..

since wade pulled out at the same time No More mutants were spoke nether he Sam, Baby cable or Syrian were effected by it :wink:

The personality sounds right but the body, from what i remember, was genetically engineered by House of M Sinister.

I'm going to go back to comics to see what's up.
Cause even with that I'm pretty sure that Cable has been cured, like, 15 times over from the T/O virus.

[DeadXMan]

oh that my no prise response

when Cable disappeared in the x-force mini
his body was discovered by Sinister

Sinister wanted to use Nate as a weapon against A-poc
the baby phalax wanted what ever the hell babies want

Wanda wave hits

boom Sinister back in my home-state of Nebraska with a baby Nate
so baby cable kept the TO virus cause that what the baby phalanx was meant to
stop it wants to stop it therefore Baby Nate has it.
:wink:

[Puunk]

Kiden Nixon!?

[rwsmith]

crossing fingers for a mini 'end of summers'. it may erase the newest summers mary sue, ruby, who is the most unluckiest of all his seeds...she actually has to be around him

Summer's End...or something to that effect. Has a nice ring to it. Mutants from a crazy alternate future come back in time to destroy the Summers family because of the havok (no pun intended) they've wreaked upon the timestream.

In this mini-series, Apocalypse is revealed to be the actual third Summers brother that Sinister referred to years ago (because he didn't know about Vulcan, who is actually the fourth Summers brother). We see the whole Robert Weinberg "Apocalypse was kidnapped and taken back in time by Stryfe as an infant and left in the Egyptian desert" thing play out, thus creating this awful self-perpetuating time-loop that needs to be broken/erased.

By the end, most of the Summers family is dead (Apocaypse, Stryfe, Cable, Rachel and Havok). The only survivors are Scott (who is emotionally broken to a certain degree, and thus steps down as leader of the X-men for awhile) and Vulcan (who is now back on Earth and serving as Magneto's apprentice or something). The vicious cycle is broken and there is no more time-traveling/alternate future crap going on with the Summers clan.

I know I'd dig it. :wink:

[7thangel]

you had me until scott still being alive :mad:

as long as he's alive the writers will keep giving him future offspring that are important to mutant survival :rolleyes: and those offspring will continue to be teh suck because of him.

we need to wipe them all out just in case. sorry r'chell, but we need to end your misery :evilsmile:

[XaviersMisprint]

crossing fingers for a mini 'end of summers'. it may erase the newest summers mary sue, ruby, who is the most unluckiest of all his seeds...she actually has to be around him

How is Ruby a Mary Sue type? That term gets used way too much. I will admit that the term fit with Ink, maybe current Pixie, and The Phoenix. But lets chill out on that. These are fictional super hero characters. Compared to us, they are all Mary Sues.

[KJ_81]

So Bishop has once again created the future he tried to stop.

By seeking out Stryfe's help he has ensured that Stryfe will raise Hope to be the monster she is to be.

All future Marvel issues containing Bishop will come with a free CD of Benny Hill music, perfect to be played whenever Bishop is on the page.

[DeadXMan]

Summer's End...or something to that effect. Has a nice ring to it. Mutants from a crazy alternate future come back in time to destroy the Summers family because of the havok (no pun intended) they've wreaked upon the timestream.

In this mini-series, Apocalypse is revealed to be the actual third Summers brother that Sinister referred to years ago (because he didn't know about Vulcan, who is actually the fourth Summers brother). We see the whole Robert Weinberg "Apocalypse was kidnapped and taken back in time by Stryfe as an infant and left in the Egyptian desert" thing play out, thus creating this awful self-perpetuating time-loop that needs to be broken/erased.

By the end, most of the Summers family is dead (Apocaypse, Stryfe, Cable, Rachel and Havok). The only survivors are Scott (who is emotionally broken to a certain degree, and thus steps down as leader of the X-men for awhile) and Vulcan (who is now back on Earth and serving as Magneto's apprentice or something). The vicious cycle is broken and there is no more time-traveling/alternate future crap going on with the Summers clan.

I know I'd dig it. :wink:


you had me until scott still being alive :mad:

as long as he's alive the writers will keep giving him future offspring that are important to mutant survival :rolleyes: and those offspring will continue to be teh suck because of him.

we need to wipe them all out just in case. sorry r'chell, but we need to end your misery :evilsmile:

yes, Havok and Ray must live , and the X-jammers will have the bigest bounty in the universe.

[Choppa]

So there's one more issue left? Has this story answered any of the questions left over from MC?

[rwsmith]

So there's one more issue left? Has this story answered any of the questions left over from MC?

Nope. Not a single one.

[pariah-1972]

There seemed to be a lot of photo-shopping in this issue.
Deadpools gun looked like a Toy.

[pariah-1972]

/.,,,,,,,,,,,,

[the Hornet]

and thanks to that Baby Nate gets tossed into a dystopian future ruled by Apocalypse, where he is cloned nd that kid is raised by A-poc and becomes Stryf.
Strf unleashes the legacy virus. Therefore Scott is responsible for the legacy virus, which resulted in the deaths of millions mutants.

Savior of the mutant race? More like executioner.:rolleyes:

Oh come on! All he wanted to do was visit ean who was his ex-teammate/ex-GF and friend who he thought was dead but now turns up alive. Maddie's was the one who got jealous (not that I blame her) and threatened to leave if he went to see her. Scott went probaply thinking she is exagerating. Stupid. Maddie left and went back to daddy Claremont. Scott did try calling her from New York and could not reach her. And I may be forgotting the exact story but did he not see a news footage that made him think that Maddie died in some accident?

He was stupid to go and see Jean without reassuring Maddie but he hardly abandoned her or Nathan. Maddie ran and years later Scott did his best to raise Nathan with Jean. When Nathan got infected by the TO he had no choice but to trust the Askani to cure him since the virus came from the future. I don't blame him for doing that, however he should have done better to go along with his son. That is the one thing I did not agree about the whole thing. Imagine sending your son of to a dark future with a complete stranger! Rachel's involvement was not even known at that point. Ah well, it was all convinient writing back then.

As for being a deadbeat dad and husband, either people are purposely twisting the facts because they don't like Scott or they just don't know the true history. I myself read the story years ago so I may be forgetting some stuff but I know that Scott did not abandon Maddie the way it is being said.

[DeadXMan]

I'm fairly sure Scott could of went with them

or Hell,hook up another favor from Doom and use his Time machine to fallow. them.
but No, he didn't and millions died from Mutant AIDS.

[7thangel]

cyclops, #8 worst dads in comics. honestly, omniman is a better dad but they didn't see it that way

http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/20/the-top-10-best-and-worst-dads-in-comics/

[Robbiebob_16]

cyclops, #8 worst dads in comics. honestly, omniman is a better dad but they didn't see it that way

http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/20/the-top-10-best-and-worst-dads-in-comics/
That was pretty accurate with Scott,:rolleyes: but Mr. Fantastic?? I love Reed, he's not a crappy dad. Should he really be on that list?:frown:

[pariah-1972]

That was pretty accurate with Scott,:rolleyes: but Mr. Fantastic?? I love Reed, he's not a crappy dad. Should he really be on that list?:frown:I don't know if he is that bad, but he often seems more absorbed with his science projects that with spending time with his family.

[7thangel]

That was pretty accurate with Scott,:rolleyes: but Mr. Fantastic?? I love Reed, he's not a crappy dad. Should he really be on that list?:frown:you read it wrong. stretch is listed as one of the best. it's 10 best and worst.

although, he leaves them in the care of a robot while he diddles in the negative zone, robots can't be trusted. franklin was a classic latch key kid

[Robbiebob_16]

you read it wrong. stretch is listed as one of the best. it's 10 best and worst.

although, he leaves them in the care of a robot while he diddles in the negative zone, robots can't be trusted. franklin was a classic latch key kid
oh good. phewww. But yes, he is a bit absent minded.

[Anodyne]

Oh come on! All he wanted to do was visit ean who was his ex-teammate/ex-GF and friend who he thought was dead but now turns up alive. Maddie's was the one who got jealous (not that I blame her) and threatened to leave if he went to see her. Scott went probaply thinking she is exagerating. Stupid. Maddie left and went back to daddy Claremont. Scott did try calling her from New York and could not reach her. And I may be forgotting the exact story but did he not see a news footage that made him think that Maddie died in some accident?

He was stupid to go and see Jean without reassuring Maddie but he hardly abandoned her or Nathan. Maddie ran and years later Scott did his best to raise Nathan with Jean.
As for being a deadbeat dad and husband, either people are purposely twisting the facts because they don't like Scott or they just don't know the true history. I myself read the story years ago so I may be forgetting some stuff but I know that Scott did not abandon Maddie the way it is being said.
I'm tired of seeing people say that running off and leaving your wife, with virtually no explanation and no mention of ever returning, is not abandonment. How would you feel if your spouse thought that seeing an old buddy was more important than working out your marital problems? Scott rushed off with no explanation but Warren's wanting to meet him. He didn't tell Maddie about Jean; she found out months later when she saw them in a news video. In X-Factor #13, Scott admitted he hadn't been thinking clearly enough to weigh the consequences of what he was doing, never mind making any plans about coming back.

Scott didn't try to contact Madelyne for several weeks; she didn't answer because she was lying comatose from gunshot wounds in a San Francisco hospital by then. Maddie tried to call him, but got "no answer when she tried to reach him," And she didn't "run"; she left the house to do her job--piloting a plane--and was ambushed by the Marauders.

Scott read an archived story of a plane crash that resembled the one Maddie had told him about when they first met. He also saw news footage of Madelyne and the X-Men dying in Dallas, but that was long after he'd already written both her and Nathan Christopher off as dead. Other parents have spent years searching for a missing child; Scott gave up on his son the moment he saw a red-haired female corpse that the cops said was his wife.

[Psycwave]

LOL Cyclops is one of the worst. They even called him an " optic-blast-powered homewrecker."

[Waterlily]

In the beginning of the story Stryfe says this about Elixir:


The subconscious mind of this mutant healer has surrendered her secrets, even if he doesn't know them yet herself

I don't think I'm reading this right but it looks like Stryfe is confused about Elixir's gender.


Or I don't know how to read, which is totally likely.

[4sake]

In the beginning of the story Stryfe says this about Elixir:



I don't think I'm reading this right but it looks like Stryfe is confused about Elixir's gender.


Or I don't know how to read, which is totally likely.

I think he meant herself as in hope..because she doesn't know her secrets about her life yet. Atleast that's how I TOOK IT.

[ClanAskani]

So there's one more issue left? Has this story answered any of the questions left over from MC?

This is the biggest problem with all of Cable. It doesn't feel like any progress has been made.

I never expected to get the whole picture, but ever since MC, the story with Nathan, Hope and Bishop has been the same thing over and over. All the questions don't need to be answered, but having all of these lingering questions that are the heart of the characters' motivations completely stalls out the story.

It's frustrating since this could be such a great storyline. But it seems like there's just one big surprise they're waiting to spring in some crossover event in five years and everything is all just build up for that. And it's rather dull waiting for it.

Questions following Messiah Complex like what Cable's powers are or how he survived being blown up haven't even been answered.

[fortyseven]

" optic-blast-powered homewrecker."

Fraction should use that in the next issue of Uncanny to intro Scott! :biggrin:

[pariah-1972]

This is the biggest problem with all of Cable. It doesn't feel like any progress has been made.

I never expected to get the whole picture, but ever since MC, the story with Nathan, Hope and Bishop has been the same thing over and over. All the questions don't need to be answered, but having all of these lingering questions that are the heart of the characters' motivations completely stalls out the story.

It's frustrating since this could be such a great storyline. But it seems like there's just one big surprise they're waiting to spring in some crossover event in five years and everything is all just build up for that. And it's rather dull waiting for it.

Questions following Messiah Complex like what Cable's powers are or how he survived being blown up haven't even been answered.The frustrating thing is the story would have been so much better if we could just figure out why Hope is so important the this big stupid mystery.
And wouldn't feel so insulting to get people to keep buying more comics just to wait and find out who and what she is.


Right now we don't have any clue why everyone is so hung up on this little girl.

[7thangel]

what she is and what it means.

are they going to harvest her genes if she turns out to be who they think she is?

[pariah-1972]

what she is and what it means.

are they going to harvest her genes if she turns out to be who they think she is?Wolverine will just keep a lock of her hair:evilsmile:

[7thangel]

Wolverine will just keep a lock of her hair:evilsmile:

yet another young girl he'll try to 'tutor', and she's a ginge too :eek:

[pariah-1972]

yet another young girl he'll try to 'tutor', and she's a ginge too :eek:Well when your over 100 years old, age is a bit meaningless.

[timbox]

Well when your over 100 years old, age is a bit meaningless.

Yes, that makes it okay.

[the Hornet]

I'm tired of seeing people say that running off and leaving your wife, with virtually no explanation and no mention of ever returning, is not abandonment. How would you feel if your spouse thought that seeing an old buddy was more important than working out your marital problems? Scott rushed off with no explanation but Warren's wanting to meet him. He didn't tell Maddie about Jean; she found out months later when she saw them in a news video. In X-Factor #13, Scott admitted he hadn't been thinking clearly enough to weigh the consequences of what he was doing, never mind making any plans about coming back.

Scott didn't try to contact Madelyne for several weeks; she didn't answer because she was lying comatose from gunshot wounds in a San Francisco hospital by then. Maddie tried to call him, but got "no answer when she tried to reach him," And she didn't "run"; she left the house to do her job--piloting a plane--and was ambushed by the Marauders.

Scott read an archived story of a plane crash that resembled the one Maddie had told him about when they first met. He also saw news footage of Madelyne and the X-Men dying in Dallas, but that was long after he'd already written both her and Nathan Christopher off as dead. Other parents have spent years searching for a missing child; Scott gave up on his son the moment he saw a red-haired female corpse that the cops said was his wife.

I am not saying he can't be blamed because he was not being as sensitive as he should. But Scott was given an unfair ultimatum. "If you leave, never return". If he had stayed, we may now be saying he was a good husband but Maddie is such an insecure ^*^$)(. I am going to have to find a copy of those issues again to really get the right facts again because I am pretty sure he was tried checking up and calling her but could not locate her. But for so long, I hear an extremely one sided accusation against Scott. Not saying he was blame-free, but to be honest he did not really abandon Maddie the way he is said to have. Maddie had a small part to play in that whole scenario too.

[pariah-1972]

The only problem is it took him forever to get up the gumption to go find his missing wife and son and i think it was only after Jean berated him for it.

[the Hornet]

However, despite all my argument for him, I think there is no excuse for the way he behaved with Emma while being married to Jean. That is more black and white than the whole thing with Maddie. Even the whole ordeal with
Apocalypse can't excuse it.

On the writing aspect, I think editorial demanded that the writers end the Scott-Maddie relationship, which was a shame, I prefered him with her actually. I wonder if that influenced Morrison and writers after him to write him as someone who can't keep a relationship? After all, he was with Jean with no signs of straying from the original run till the end of the Dark Phoenix saga.

Still, I think Scott found the perfect match with Emma, Jean needs someone else (not Wolverine!).

[pariah-1972]

However, despite all my argument for him, I think there is no excuse for the way he behaved with Emma while being married to Jean. That is more black and white than the whole thing with Maddie. Even the whole ordeal with
Apocalypse can't excuse it.

On the writing aspect, I think editorial demanded that the writers end the Scott-Maddie relationship, which was a shame, I prefered him with her actually. I wonder if that influenced Morrison and writers after him to write him as someone who can't keep a relationship? After all, he was with Jean with no signs of straying from the original run till the end of the Dark Phoenix saga.

Still, I think Scott found the perfect match with Emma, Jean needs someone else (not Wolverine!).I'm not crazy about the Jean thing either cause she is clearly out of his league,
And he knows it and besides if they hooked up there would be a countdown waiting for her to die again.

[Anodyne]

I am not saying he can't be blamed because he was not being as sensitive as he should. But Scott was given an unfair ultimatum. "If you leave, never return". If he had stayed, we may now be saying he was a good husband but Maddie is such an insecure ^*^$)(. I am going to have to find a copy of those issues again to really get the right facts again because I am pretty sure he was tried checking up and calling her but could not locate her. But for so long, I hear an extremely one sided accusation against Scott. Not saying he was blame-free, but to be honest he did not really abandon Maddie the way he is said to have. Maddie had a small part to play in that whole scenario too.
Madelyne's "don't bother coming back!" speech was not an ultimatum. It was an outburst from a sleep-deprived young mother, probably with postpartum hormonal turmoil, whose husband wasn't there for her even when he was in the same room. ("Even when you're here, you're not here.") Judging by the fact that Madelyne is sobbing into the dish towel as Scott walks out, I think she regretted her words as soon as she spoke them.

I doubt that Scott had given even a passing thought about coming back or not coming back. He just rushed off with no concern for anything but getting to Jean. Except he did have the presence of mind to hide the truth from Maddie. If he'd blurted out "Jean's alive!" Maddie would still have been hurt and angry, but at least she would have understood what was going on. Instead, he let her believe that spending time with a pal was more important to him than saving his marriage.

Scott had given Madelyne plenty of reasons to feel insecure:

Not phoning her from Paris. ("I can understand Scott's not being here, but he should have let me know he cared.")

Choosing the X-Men over his wife and baby, even though he didn't get what he wanted.

Being too preoccupied with thoughts about mutants to even fetch a clean diaper for the baby.

Cruelly responding to Maddie's "I don't want to lose what we have" with "I'm not sure what we do have anymore."

Admitting he was thinking of Jean.

Telling Madelyne, "We'll work things out" one moment and "I have to go" the next.

[darknessatnoon]

Madelyne's "don't bother coming back!" speech was an outburst, not an ultimatum. Judging by the fact that she's sobbing into the dish towel as Scott walks out, I'm thinking she regretted her words as soon as she spoke them. I doubt that Scott had given even a passing thought about coming back or not coming back. He just rushed off with no concern for anything but getting to Jean. Except he did have the presence of mind to hide the truth from Maddie. If he'd blurted out "Jean's alive!" Maddie would have been hurt and angry, but at least she would have understood what was going on.

Oh well. That was years ago. Water under the bridge. Everyone's been dumped at least once. You can either move on or become a Goblyn Queen.

[Anodyne]

Oh well. That was years ago. Water under the bridge. Everyone's been dumped at least once. You can either move on or become a Goblyn Queen.

Years ago? :rolleyes: The Hornet's post was only yesterday. And other dumpees haven't been vilified to vindicate the dumper. :mad: "Justice delayed is justice denied." As long as writers keep bringing Madelyne back as a villain, and other posters keep trying to justify Scott's misconduct, I'll keep defending Maddie. Even if Fraction claims the Red Queen isn't the real Madelyne Pryor, Maddie is the one who'll get blamed for the RQ's actions.

[the Hornet]

Madelyne's "don't bother coming back!" speech was not an ultimatum. It was an outburst from a sleep-deprived young mother, probably with postpartum hormonal turmoil, whose husband wasn't there for her even when he was in the same room. ("Even when you're here, you're not here.") Judging by the fact that Madelyne is sobbing into the dish towel as Scott walks out, I think she regretted her words as soon as she spoke them.

I doubt that Scott had given even a passing thought about coming back or not coming back. He just rushed off with no concern for anything but getting to Jean. Except he did have the presence of mind to hide the truth from Maddie. If he'd blurted out "Jean's alive!" Maddie would still have been hurt and angry, but at least she would have understood what was going on. Instead, he let her believe that spending time with a pal was more important to him than saving his marriage.

Scott had given Madelyne plenty of reasons to feel insecure:

Not phoning her from Paris. ("I can understand Scott's not being here, but he should have let me know he cared.")

Choosing the X-Men over his wife and baby, even though he didn't get what he wanted.

Being too preoccupied with thoughts about mutants to even fetch a clean diaper for the baby.

Cruelly responding to Maddie's "I don't want to lose what we have" with "I'm not sure what we do have anymore."

Admitting he was thinking of Jean.

Telling Madelyne, "We'll work things out" one moment and "I have to go" the next.

So you are okay with Madelyne acting unfairly because she was stressed out but not for Scott to act out without thinking clearly for the same reasons? After all, you buried someone you loved, did not know how you were going to continue living and then some years later you get a phone call saying that that person is not dead. How much more stressful can you be? Oh hey, Scott really is a jerk then! The least he could do was prepare breakfast for the family, go to the market, buy the groceries and then wait for Nathan's graduation before visiting Jean. That is all I have to say about this matter before it gets out of control. I never said Scott was perfect and feel that although he has behaved badly in the past, this whole matter with Maddie is not as one sided as it is made out to be. We just have to agree to disagree.

[Anodyne]

So you are okay with Madelyne acting unfairly because she was stressed out but not for Scott to act out without thinking clearly for the same reasons? After all, you buried someone you loved, did not know how you were going to continue living and then some years later you get a phone call saying that that person is not dead. How much more stressful can you be? Oh hey, Scott really is a jerk then! The least he could do was prepare breakfast for the family, go to the market, buy the groceries and then wait for Nathan's graduation before visiting Jean. That is all I have to say about this matter before it gets out of control. I never said Scott was perfect and feel that although he has behaved badly in the past, this whole matter with Maddie is not as one sided as it is made out to be. We just have to agree to disagree.
I agree that Scott's reaction was understandable, considering he'd just been poleaxed; if he'd been straightforward enough to tell Maddie the truth, I might have forgiven him. And yes, Maddie also behaved badly. But he's long since been readmitted to the good guys, while she's still being portrayed as little better than a fiend. She hasn't even been allowed to show her horror at what the Goblin Queen (Hyde to her Jekyll) tried to do. As far as I can tell, not even Scott's recent turn to the dark side has softened the editorial condemnation of Maddie. I could be wrong about that; my new comics won't be delivered until next week.