First Look At Eaglesham's FF Interiors. [Archive]

arp2008

06-16-2009, 05:42 PM

40yearoldnovafan

06-16-2009, 05:48 PM

Actually, I love the change. I thought Hitch was masterful on the Ultimates. But I did not care for his Sue and Mr. Fantastic in the Fantastic Four.

Reed being buff - I have no problem with that. His body is highly malleable. He can be what he wants to be.

I think it looks great, more dynamic, and less stiff.

Jimmy

Hulk_Is

06-16-2009, 05:54 PM

That's pretty messed up because my my pre-order solicits the cover as beeing done by Alan Davis (even though it didn't look like it), and it turns out it just Eaglesham's cover?. A Sham indeed lol!

bebopeva88

06-16-2009, 06:00 PM

Madness...Eaglesham's FF looks sweet so far.

That's pretty messed up because my my pre-order solicits the cover as beeing done by Alan Davis (even though it didn't look like it), and it turns out it just Eaglesham's cover?. A Sham indeed lol!

The covers for Hickman's FF (at least the first 2 solicited so far) do have regular covers by Alan Davis, sadly.

Monty_Cristo

06-16-2009, 06:06 PM

almost completley unrelated but if they ever do reboot the Fantastic Four movie universe i hope they cast Matthew Fox as Reed. i bet he could play distinguished genius if he had to.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3901983488/nm0289142

maybe Mads Mikkelsen (Casino Royale) as Victor von Doom, if he's not tired of playing villains. he has a very european look to him. he has that "i will spend the rest of my life trying to kill you" look about him, as well. he and Matthew Fox are only a year or so apart in age. i don't know about the rest of the cast.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2084346624/nm0586568
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm217225472/nm0586568

Naomi Watts as Sue? *shrugs* can she even act?

Assemble

06-16-2009, 06:14 PM

I hate Hitch's art. A lot... only on Ultimates was it good... but this art is really... cartoony to me. But it's not that bad.

Iron Maiden

06-16-2009, 06:36 PM

Not a fan of Hitch either. IMO, he sometimes makes dubious choices in when to use the splash page. A full page of Christmas Eve in Scotland, or Franklin looking worried, etc were questionable and looked like obvious padding. So far the FF has held the line at 2.99 but I would be ticked off with that kind of shenanigans on a 3.99 title. At times his Sue looked downright ugly with a huge nose. So far those pencilled pages from Eaglesham look pretty tight. I guess Debbie survives the MOD and is still waiting for Ben to walk down the aisle

I'm cool with Reed looking a bit buff. Kirby gave him some guns later on in his run on the title. The Reed in FF #60 or so is a far cry from that lanky guy all tangled up in ropes on the cover of FF#1.

Monte, not a bad choice for Reed in the movies. Gruffudd wasn't too bad though once they gave his character a spine in the second movie. Those movies needed a top flight director and a better screenwriter.

CaptainCanada

06-16-2009, 06:49 PM

I have a problem with the unshaven look for Reed, but otherwise looks pretty good.

Assemble

06-16-2009, 06:51 PM

I have a problem with the unshaven look for Reed, but otherwise looks pretty good.

and his Chest. It looks like when Rob Liefield drew Captain America : Heroes Reborn

DeadXMan

06-16-2009, 06:55 PM

Marvel.com's blog posted a page or two of artwork by Dale Eaglesham. As a frist look at what the series will be like after Millar epic failure of gut wrenching proportions excuse for a run ends in his usual asinine fashion(I hope), Tom_Brevoort/entry/1511.Art_Avalanche[/url]

fixed it for you.

Joe Franklin

06-16-2009, 07:05 PM

Stuart Immonen's F4 beats both Eaglesham and Hitch easily.

http://marvel.com/globals/view_generic.htm?filename=/i/content/st/1511new_storyimage4849658_full.jpg

Assemble

06-16-2009, 07:13 PM

Stuart Immonen's F4 beats both Eaglesham and Hitch easily.

http://marvel.com/globals/view_generic.htm?filename=/i/content/st/1511new_storyimage4849658_full.jpg

Greg Land and Leinil Yu's Sue Storm are the best to me.

DeadXMan

06-16-2009, 07:28 PM

Ringo Pawns all but The King :frown:

anyway

look Eaglesham is drawing them fighting a giant robot
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/DXM616/1511new_storyimage4849267_full.jpg

and Ben Looks like he got cold feet

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/DXM616/1511new_storyimage4849658_full.jpg

arp2008

06-16-2009, 08:07 PM

fixed it for you.I knew you would :rolleyes: .....hater.

Stuart Immonen's F4 beats both Eaglesham and Hitch easily. Immonens take on the FF isn't but he doesn't compare to Hitchs FF. Hitch gives a team a more real world feel lost in the more boldly colored and less detailed work of Immonen.

I hate Hitch's art. A lot... only on Ultimates was it good... but this art is really... cartoony to me. But it's not that bad.Cartoony? How so?

DeadXMan

06-16-2009, 08:16 PM

I knew you would :rolleyes: .....hater.

the trurh hurts, besides Millar killed Bucky.......again.

jdwrocks

06-16-2009, 08:20 PM

I'll take Eaglesham over Hitch any day. I don't hate Hitch's work, but Reed & Johnny looked like brothers. Way too much of a family resemblance, which would make the Reed, Sue, Johnny thing real messed up.

KandouErik

06-16-2009, 08:22 PM

Eaglesham's art isn't my favorite - but I grew to like him on the JSA. What I'm most concerned about is the writing. I don't really know anything about the writer. I'm going to try his first few issues though, as I don't want to forget about the FF anytime soon. I like it that they are deal with stuff from Milliar's storyline, like going back to Nu-Earth.

I actually feel sad for the creative team, because, no matter their talent, they are still coming in as the second act after Milliar and Hitch. Not many creators can compare to them.

CyberCoyote

06-16-2009, 08:23 PM

Greg Land and Leinil Yu's Sue Storm are the best to me.

Err.. Greg's Sue/Lorna/girl on the street/Jan/Jen/Wanda? they're all the same girl aren't they? :tongue:

I'm stoked for this change in art. I'm sorry but Hitch is a great draftsman and a poor to okay figure artist. So many panels I'm not even sure what I'm looking at, and faces are a chore for him. I poke fun at Land but he makes women beautiful, Hitch often drew a schnozz on Sue the size of a billy goat and he has a rough time drawing a straight eye line, and he couldn't seem to get features consistent so it was the colorist's job to show who was whom. On the last cover that he has it looks so much like Reed's fist is going THROUGH invisible Sue because of the proportion errors that the colorist painted part of Reed's hand coming through her..

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2610/164fantasticfour569.jpg
edited: Big image, just put a link..

Reed can look however he wants, and I've always liked him as a tough guy more than a stringbean. Facial hair.. he hardly ever sleeps and has the shadow often. It's usually to show how long he's been toiling at the latest project.

Those interiors are awesome. Ben's feet aren't longer than his legs, none of those freakish finger toes he's been sporting lately, and the layouts are spectacular and natural looking. I don't know if Eaglesham can draw spreads of countrysides as well as Hitch, but he's got figure drawing and body proportions down in ways Hitch really can't seem to grasp. And look, Sue has real hair!:cool:

DeadXMan

06-16-2009, 08:32 PM

NickFury90

06-16-2009, 08:37 PM

Somewhere along the line, Hitch went from the "Big widescreen" gu from The Authority/JLA/Ultimates, into the "close-up on face and random Splash page" guy. I hope he gets his shit back together for Captain America Reborn.

Damn, Reed is BUFF. Then again, he can probably do that with his stretch powers.

DeadXMan

06-16-2009, 08:45 PM

I'm cool with Reed sporting the doc savage look.
sure looks better then hich reed a few posts ago

arp2008

06-16-2009, 08:48 PM

the trurh hurts, besides Millar killed Bucky.......again.What are you talking about?

He is currently writing the FFDR mini which will be the foundation of his run
secret warriors
and did the nightly news limited series where he was nominated for an Eisner.Have you seen the solit for issue 571, I believe? It seems Hickmans run will be more connected to Millars then his DR:FF mini series. Yes, sir, Hickman is using Millars foundation build upon. Can you really blame him? :wink:

I actually feel sad for the creative team, because, no matter their talent, they are still coming in as the second act after Milliar and Hitch. Not many creators can compare to them.I have the same feeling but I'd hate to drop FF so here's to them having a spectacular run! Although Eaglesham's Reed will be a persistent bother. :mad:

DeadXMan

06-16-2009, 09:00 PM

sounds more like a follow up to Fantastic Force the New defenders

of course Big future G wasn't as dead as one believes and devours Nu-earth
which I can totally live with.

CyberCoyote

06-16-2009, 09:01 PM

What are you talking about?

Have you seen the solit for issue 571, I believe? It seems Hickmans run will be more connected to Millars then his DR:FF mini series. Yes, sir, Hickman is using Millars foundation build upon. Can you really blame him? :wink:

I have teh same feeling but I hate to drop FF so here's to them having a spectacular run! Although Eaglesham's Reed will be a persistent bother. :mad:

He's righting the wrongs, of course he has to use Millar's run! :)

JK, but at least the new writer is writing a serial comic and acknowledging the stories that lead to his run. Millar tossed Alicia out the window, there had just been a whole time travel/doom story and we got another one. I don't think it was out of spite, he just didn't know. Heck, he thought he invented Reed's super smart girlfriend from college until the editor said, "Uh.. Alyssa.. been done." A lot of readers were amazed to learn this FF run is canon and not an alternate reality series of stories.

I don't think that by using the stories in recent history he's basing his stories more on Millar's work than his own, he's just doing what a good writer does and continuing the story where it was left off rather than just ignoring everyone else and doing whatever he likes with no thought or concern to the established characters' recent history.

As far as spectacular goes, the Millitch books lost steam fast and sales wise are in the same zone as the FF has been under the last couple of teams, not terrible but not great. It's selling more on Millar and Hitch's reps than performance it seems. I don't believe the book will do any worse in the next year than it has, it'll stay in the top 30.

arp2008

06-16-2009, 09:03 PM

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4sake

06-16-2009, 09:11 PM

What are you talking about?

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He (Millar ) killed him (James B) in old man Logan.

arp2008

06-16-2009, 09:23 PM

He (Millar ) killed him (James B) in old man Logan.I don't think it was Bucky. There are several clues that point to it being Hawkeye, the most obvious of which being through the torn suit we could clearly see that there wasn't a metal arm and that Skull seemed to buring his fingers in his eyes. I may be wrong, but if I'm right perhaps that story isn't as paper thin as it seems.

Babylon23

06-16-2009, 10:12 PM

I must be in the minority becuase I think Eaglesham's art looks fantastic. Between Hickman's excellent work on the Nightly News and Eaglesham's art I may actually check this out.

NickFury90

06-16-2009, 10:22 PM

I don't think it was Bucky. There are several clues that point to it being Hawkeye, the most obvious of which being through the torn suit we could clearly see that there wasn't a metal arm and that Skull seemed to buring his fingers in his eyes. I may be wrong, but if I'm right perhaps that story isn't as paper thin as it seems.

Holy shi--

That...might actually make sense. I remember when they did a preview for that issue, that panel with the Skull burning Captain America's eyes was "CLASSIFIED" and kept a secret.

...I think you might be onto something.

Sighphi

06-16-2009, 10:33 PM

Bring back the Sue ponytail!

arp2008

06-16-2009, 11:05 PM

Holy shi--

That...might actually make sense. I remember when they did a preview for that issue, that panel with the Skull burning Captain America's eyes was "CLASSIFIED" and kept a secret.

...I think you might be onto something.I know, it sounds pluasible, right? However, with the final issue being one huge donnybrook between Wolverine and the Hulk Gang I don't see any reason why they'd go back and and shed some mush wanted light on the night the heroes fell. I'd love a mini series based on that night alone; to see how each hero was taken down, by whom, the division of America, and everything before and between that the we didn't see in OML.

Damn. Going off topic already! :eek:

Runguy

06-17-2009, 05:21 AM

Stuart Immonen's F4 beats both Eaglesham and Hitch easily.

http://marvel.com/globals/view_generic.htm?filename=/i/content/st/1511new_storyimage4849658_full.jpg

Just based on that ????

CyberCoyote

06-17-2009, 05:38 AM

Just based on that ????

That is a nice image, he did the FF Annual by Kesel where Ben goes to another reality where everything moved in real time. That was a very impressive visual take on the FF. I definitely prefer SI to BH but haven't seen enough of Eaglesham to draw a line there.

Iron Maiden

06-17-2009, 08:33 AM

Immomen also did the issue where Ben's Jewish heritage was explored. Nice job there too.

Joe Franklin

06-17-2009, 09:55 AM

Just based on that ????

And based on this from Immonen.

http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/images/fantastic_four_annual/1998.jpg

http://72.232.229.42/thumb/e/e2/Ultinvwmn.jpg/180px-Ultinvwmn.jpg

http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0804/ULTFF009_CMYK.jpg

http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/ultimatefantasticfour-tpb2.jpg

Immonen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hitch and Eaglesham.

CyberCoyote

06-17-2009, 10:00 AM

Joe Franklin

06-17-2009, 10:37 AM

I didn't know those were his. I like those UVerse images, they are all over merchandise like kids lunchboxes and backpacks, folders, etc.

Hitch wasn't always like he is. I really liked his Thing/She-Hulk 1 shot, although looking at it one finds it difficult to believe it's the same guy using his name today.

Yep.

Both Hitch and Immonen are artists of many different styles. Immonen is just a much better on panel story teller then Hitch ever was or ever will be.

Immonen
http://www.lambiek.net/artists/i/immonen_stuart/immonensupermanfindesiecle.jpg

Hitch
http://users.sdccu.net/angelina1/heroesink/images/uxmenneg1.jpg

passer-by

06-17-2009, 12:38 PM

Marvel.com's blog posted a page or two of artwork by Dale Eaglesham. As a frist look at what the series will be like after Millar epic, groundshattering, contraversial runs ends in maginifcent fashion(I hope), I can honestly say I'm not very excited. Reed looks like a scruff bodybuilder while the suits under Mr. Eaglesham have regressed to a far more simplistic and generic design.

https://www.mailordercomics.com/Images/Products/JUN090532.jpg

See what I mean? So lame and uncharacteristic. I miss Hitch already. At least Sue is is pretty sexy, huh?

Not looking good at this point, but as only a first look things can only get better....................right? Take a look at the sketches at Marvel.com and leave your thoughts below!
http://marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/entry/1511.Art_AvalancheI prefer Eaglesham's FF. Honest.
Much as I like Hitch's style on titles like the Ultimates or Stormwatch/The Authority (though he remains much below his master Alan Davis :tongue: ), I didn't like his take on Marvel's First Family. His Johnny Storm in particular was hideous on some panels. Ben had strange facial expressions at times, Sue looked... not very good. :biggrin: Only Reed was more or less OK.

Couple that with Millar's... characterization (for lack of a better word) and the end result was subpar for me. Not only because this creative team was promoted as the stellar hotshit. They just didn't fit this book. IMHO.

And their leaving the book before the end of their run is unprofessional, to say the least.

So, looking forward to Hickman/Eaglesham on the FF.

Joe Franklin

06-17-2009, 01:25 PM

Much as I like Hitch's style on titles like the Ultimates or Stormwatch/The Authority (though he remains much below his master Alan Davis :tongue: ), I didn't like his take on Marvel's First Family. His Johnny Storm in particular was hideous on some panels. Ben had strange facial expressions at times, Sue looked... not very good. :biggrin: Only Reed was more or less OK.

It's because Hitch uses and traces over Photo references like Greg Land does, but Hitch is a much better artist at masking what he does.

Now mind you, I have no problem with comic book artists tracing over photo references in their comic book art, I just wish the ones that do, were able to hide it as well as Hitch does.

Iron Maiden

06-17-2009, 01:31 PM

I prefer Eaglesham's FF. Honest.
Much as I like Hitch's style on titles like the Ultimates or Stormwatch/The Authority (though he remains much below his master Alan Davis :tongue: ), I didn't like his take on Marvel's First Family. His Johnny Storm in particular was hideous on some panels. Ben had strange facial expressions at times, Sue looked... not very good. :biggrin: Only Reed was more or less OK.

Couple that with Millar's... characterization (for lack of a better word) and the end result was subpar for me. Not only because this creative team was promoted as the stellar hotshit. They just didn't fit this book. IMHO.

And their leaving the book before the end of their run is unprofessional, to say the least.
So, looking forward to Hickman/Eaglesham on the FF.

As to the professionalism issue you bring up:

I got flamed for pointing out how ugly Sue looks on what will be Hitch's last FF cover linked here in a post on the previous page because he did have the death of his mother to deal with last year. Millar had health issues in January But the curious thing about all this is that even though he didn't finish his FF run, Hitch is starting up a new project with "Reborn". Millar is working on a sequel to Kick Ass and the first film hasn't even picked up a distributor yet. Plus we had all the assurances about how far ahead this team was on the project. McDuffie and Pelletier gave them about 6 months worth of cushion and still they came up a day late and a dollar short. Did their egos get bruised that they didn't set the world on fire with sales on the FF and did they just lose interest and bail? The extra time was not reflected in the quality IMO, as opposed to Thor.

To get back on topic....looking forward to Eaglesham/Hickman

Iron Maiden

06-17-2009, 01:39 PM

It's because Hitch uses and traces over Photo references like Greg Land does, but Hitch is a much better artist at masking what he does.

Now mind you, I have no problem with comic book artists tracing over photo references in their comic book art, I just wish the ones that do, were able to hide it as well as Hitch does.

I posted a panel a while back on how he took a screen cap from the first FF movie of Ioan Gruffudd and Jessican Alba having a quite dinner and he used it in one of the early FF issues...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/FF557/SueCompare.jpg
The panel is a swipe from the film but at least it not an exact copy.

Then in the previous issue of the FF with MOD's homecoming party we have Latveria looking a lot like Prague:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/MB%20comic%20Scans/Castles.jpg

DeadXMan

06-17-2009, 01:56 PM

I posted a panel a while back on how he took a screen cap from the first FF movie of Ioan Gruffudd and Jessican Alba having a quite dinner and he used it in one of the early FF issues...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/FF557/SueCompare.jpg
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sue might want to go see a doctor about that missing hair on her side of her head

psm

06-17-2009, 02:25 PM

It's because Hitch uses and traces over Photo references like Greg Land does, but Hitch is a much better artist at masking what he does.

Now mind you, I have no problem with comic book artists tracing over photo references in their comic book art, I just wish the ones that do, were able to hide it as well as Hitch does.

Using photo references is not the same as tracing over a photo. Hitch like many artists use references. Land is a completely different story. He traces photo's which is not technically a bad thing. The problem is that he often traces over other peoples published work which is. He's actually plagiarizing and probably should be fired (or sued). Personally, I don't care either.

artiepants

06-17-2009, 02:53 PM

Marvel.com's blog posted a page or two of artwork by Dale Eaglesham. As a frist look at what the series will be like after Millar epic, groundshattering, contraversial runs ends in maginifcent fashion(I hope), I can honestly say I'm not very excited.

I actually feel sad for the creative team, because, no matter their talent, they are still coming in as the second act after Milliar and Hitch. Not many creators can compare to them.

wait,I thought the Miller Hitch FF run was met with a resounding "meh" from critics and the sales charts alike?

(not to mention hopefully they rapidly get rid of the atrocious costumes he came up with ~ and i generally think Hitches costumes are pretty brilliant, like most all of the Ultimates ones.)

passer-by

06-17-2009, 03:10 PM

wait,I thought the Miller Hitch FF run was met with a resounding "meh" from critics and the sales charts alike?Yup. I preferred McDuffie/Pelletier's run.

Millar writes a Millar story. McDuffie wrote an FF story. And Pelletier's FF were better-looking.:cool:

My favourite being Mark Waid, slightly ahead of Byrne and Lee/Kirby (blasphemy, I know :biggrin: )

artiepants

06-17-2009, 03:20 PM

Millar writes a Millar story. McDuffie wrote an FF story. And Pelletier's FF were better-looking.:cool:
I think Pellatier's one of the best artists working today. He's definitely a bit "alan Davis", but IMHO that's a compliment.

Joe Franklin

06-17-2009, 03:51 PM

Using photo references is not the same as tracing over a photo. Hitch like many artists use references. Land is a completely different story. He traces photo's which is not technically a bad thing. The problem is that he often traces over other peoples published work which is. He's actually plagiarizing and probably should be fired (or sued). Personally, I don't care either.

No.

Sometimes Hitch traces right over them just like Land does.

But I have no problem with this myself.

Here is another Hitch transformers trace job. http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=litg/2008/0519/reedbuiltatransformer.jpg

And this one.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/FF557/SueCompare.jpg

Avenger08

06-17-2009, 04:04 PM

Eaglesham is one of the best artists in comics IMO.

I really miss him from JSA but i wish him luck in FF.

Babylon23

06-17-2009, 07:19 PM

I think Pellatier's one of the best artists working today. He's definitely a bit "alan Davis", but IMHO that's a compliment.

There's a few artists around these days that are clearly influenced by Davis: hitch, Pellatier, even Bagley to a certain degree. The important thing is to develop your own style through those influences, something Pellatier has done a better job of then Hitch IMO.

CyberCoyote

06-17-2009, 07:29 PM

There's a few artists around these days that are clearly influenced by Davis: hitch, Pellatier, even Bagley to a certain degree. The important thing is to develop your own style through those influences, something Pellatier has done a better job of then Hitch IMO.

Agreed, Pelletier is pretty much one of the best in the business right now. I liked Hitch when it was more of a Davis tribute, but even then the storytelling aspect wasn't there.

That image of Sue and Reed above is an example of just plain fugly illustrating. I like when Guice inks for him because he tends to fix the eyes which is a major sore spot for Hitch lately.

paulski

06-18-2009, 08:30 PM

wait,I thought the Miller Hitch FF run was met with a resounding "meh" from critics and the sales charts alike?

Certainly was from me - I lasted all of 3 issues before I decided to drop it.

Personally, I can't wait to pick up the issues from Eaglesham. He showed on the current JSA issues that he's pretty much a top-shelf guy nowadays. :smile: