Harvey Dent's Henchmen.

[Lew Moxon]

This is something that bugs me about a few otherwise wonderful portrayals of Two-Face.

Now, Harvey Dent was the District Attorney. He was the man responsible for putting countless thugs in jail, and logically wasn't held in very high esteem among the criminal element.

So once he becomes Two-Face how does he recruit his henchmen exactly? In some versions, it seems like the very people who would've hated Dent prior to the accident, have no compunctions about working with Two-Face.

So, how is Dent able to convince any criminal to work for him? I know I'm probably overthinking things, but I was wondering if there's a logical explanation for this.

[Sn4tcH]

The Criminal element is easily bought.

Not to mention Harvey killed The Roman. If I was a criminal, that would make Harvey the man on top of the chain.

[Lew Moxon]

Even so, wouldn't there be lingering resentments? I have trouble picturing Dent working with the people he locked away. But perhaps the criminals he works with weren't convicted, or never went to trial ect.

Or maybe Dent had a few cops who were hyper loyal to him, and not Gordon ect.

[jgiannantoni05]

I know I'm probably overthinking things
Yes. Criminal henchmen go where the sure money is, above all else usually. And maybe some don't have any resentment because Harvey has becomes "one of them" now. He's not DA Dent anymore, so revenge doesn't offer much or any satisfaction. He's just a troubled criminal who hates Batman, just like them. Maybe for some, working for Dent is the revenge, they get the satisfaction of seeing how the mighty Harvey Dent has fallen and they get Dent to make them rich.
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[OverMaster]

With some of them, it has been revealed Harvey has leftover evidence on them that could land them in jail if they don't cooperate.

Plus, he knows both sides of the system well enough and that's always a plus. And all in all, he isn't as bad of a boss as Joker, Freeze or Ivy.

[gocryemokid]

I have a question. semi-related that I don't think warrants a new thread:

What happened to Harvey between the Hush arc and BFTC? Both are in continuity right? In Hush Dent got his face fixed by Elliot but in BFTC he's Two Face again with all those henchmen you guys refer to. (By the way I totally agree with the fact that if you're a criminal you work for whoever pays, why else would people work for the Joker or Two-Face etc.)

But yeah did something happen either in Hush I'm missing or between Hush and BFTC/current continuity because it seems unlikely half his face was burned again. Totally possible I missed something here though.

[Sn4tcH]

One Year Later or the "Face the Face" tpb. Spoilers... just in case.

Basically during the year while Batman was gone, he left Harvey to watch over Gotham. When Batman came back, he told Harvey that he did a nice job, but that they didn't need him anymore. Around this time some criminals begin to be killed off in a Two-face like way, and Batman and Gordon suspect it's Harvey. He feels betrayed by them, and begins to hear the Two-face voice in his head, until eventually one night he ends up re-scarring his face and becoming Two-face again.

[gocryemokid]

And he left Gotham for what happened in FC? (Didn't read that yet either no spoilers! :p)

Answers a lot, thank you.

[gocryemokid]

Wait that can't be right cause he hasn't exactly returned from the events of FC from what I heard so why did he leave?

[Sn4tcH]

Who returned from the events of FC? Two-Face?

Let me make sure I said it correctly.

Hush - Two Face has his face fixed
Infinite Crisis - Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman dissapear for a year.
One Year Later - Batman comes back, Harvey becomes Two-Face again
Final Crisis - Batman "Dies"
Battle For The Cowl - Black Mask comes in and starts taking over Gotham.

[gocryemokid]

Oooooooh gotcha I thought hush was more recent. It was right be IC not FC thanks for the clarification

[Libaax]

Even so, wouldn't there be lingering resentments? I have trouble picturing Dent working with the people he locked away. But perhaps the criminals he works with weren't convicted, or never went to trial ect.

Or maybe Dent had a few cops who were hyper loyal to him, and not Gordon ect.


Two-Face is so crazy, the guy isnt anywhere similar to the Harvey Dent he was.

Why would criminals care about Dent when Two-Face is a respected criminal that has taken on many of their enemies.

[Jorriss]

Why would criminals care about Dent when Two-Face is a respected criminal that has taken on many of their enemies.
I doubt most criminals would respect the psychology of a split personality, it would seem they would likely just view them as the same person.

[The Lucky One]

Who else are you and your twin brother going to work for? The Riddler?

-D

[Lew Moxon]

Two-Face is so crazy, the guy isnt anywhere similar to the Harvey Dent he was.

Why would criminals care about Dent when Two-Face is a respected criminal that has taken on many of their enemies.

I'm talking about the early years of Two-Face, I mean he won't be a respected criminal immediatly, and I don't think the men he locked away would care very much that Dent had lost his mind. As far as they're concerned, he's still Harvey Dent.

I will grant you that it will become less of a problem as the years progress.

[Sn4tcH]

In the comic, it happens pretty immediately. You just kind of have to accept it.

Two-face is so crazy, he seems like the type of guy that would walk into the room and just say, "Who wants to go rob a bank? Those who don't will die."

[Chad]

I'm not sure how many criminals were put away by Harvey Dent. I don't think his record would have been comparable to Batman's or even Gordon's seeing as how Gotham was supposed to have been such a corrupt city prior to Year One.

Sure he could have tried thousands of criminals but in that environment, how many ever saw jail time?

I also suspect that there were a lot of people who would have loved to have gotten even with pretty boy Harvey Dent. Once Boss Maroni took care of that I'm sure a lot of those people looked at his scarred face and said "Yikes! I can't top that!" Anyone who had any doubts about his trustworthiness as a criminal thereafter would only need to open the paper to find out how far he's gone. In fact, helping Two-Face terrorize the city might even be a form of revenge in some criminal's minds in that it goes against everything Harvey Dent believed in.

[OverMaster]

Who else are you and your twin brother going to work for? The Riddler?

-D

Heh. Gotham must have the highest rate of criminal twins in all of USA.

Riddler isn't such a bad guy to work for, by the way. He's fairly respectful of human life, not particularly brutal towards his thugs, and all in all even fun to have around, to some degree. It even has the bonus of looking at Query and Echo.

[Retro315]

Actually, typically, when they've actually gone as far as to show where his henchmen came from (I'm thinking Gotham Central in particular, since back in the day it was just "generic goons") ... Two-Face's henchmen tend to be ex-cops. Dirty ex-cops. Kicked-off-the-force type cops.

I assume the D.A., and possibly an ex Internal Affairs guy, would definitely have a leg up and would know which ex-cops and cops would be good as hired guns, and he probably even knew a bunch of them. (Say Two-Face returns in the 3rd Batman flick ... it'd be like if Detective Flass turned up as his hench).

Killing The Roman definitely gives him street cred, although after all these years ... Two-Face has all the credentials he could possibly need. The reputation, the chance for fortune and glory. Some thugs, hoods and burglars have probably made some excellent scores working for Two-Face.

So when they aren't "generic goons", Two-Face's minions don't come from the "made man" mafioso branch of the criminal element - they're part of Gotham's MASSIVE ex-cop-turned-heavy population.

[Libaax]

I'm talking about the early years of Two-Face, I mean he won't be a respected criminal immediatly, and I don't think the men he locked away would care very much that Dent had lost his mind. As far as they're concerned, he's still Harvey Dent.

I will grant you that it will become less of a problem as the years progress.

Ah my bad, i thought you meant when he was a famous Gotham criminal.

After the early days he got a rep like the big criminals freaks in Gotham like The Joker. Must be a dream for small time criminals to work with guys like that. They must make alot.