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Kage Kisaragi
06-10-2009, 02:50 PM
I was in the bathroom shaving, and well I didn't cut myself but I did do some thinking. I was thinking about the similiarities between Batman and Black Panther from Marvel. I also thought about all the recent things that have happened to BP.. He got married, and suddenly less than a year after his marriage he has complications and can no longer be BP and can't even be king of Wakanda, now the two most important women in his life, Storm his wife and possibly his Sister Suri are running his kingdom and taking over the mantle of BP.. one of the on going problems most people cited about BP pre marriage was that he was always self contained in his region of the world, and that was a bad thing to everyone who read comics and knew of his name. So these new turn of events have left Black Panther or the new one, as a character who can now not be tied down to their roots in Wakanda, and Storm can now be ever the powerful ruler of her own nation... well what strikes me and what makes me bring this discussion to the Batman board is,

Isn't Batman King of Gotham City?

He answers to no one, and yet knows everyone and can influence just about any part of the system that governs Gotham. He is on a first name bases with the chief of police to which he can gain access to all kind of police files without necessarily having to take them by force/hacking (though he can do this if he wants and I'm guessing anyone smart enough to detect it is already under his employee ie Barbara Gordon or Tim Drake.)

I don't mean to say that Babs works for Bruce, I know thats not the case, but she is more than likely to turn a blind eye to anything that he does so long as she believes he's doing it in the best interest of Gotham.

He has agents of various caliburs under his direct supervision or permits them to work within his city. Many of whom have either worked with him or were trained by him or asked by him to work on his behalf. All of whom would most likely come running at his beckon call.

The mayor of Gotham city outside of the animated series is largely unknown to me, and I would assume is unknown to the casual reader as well. Though as Bruce Wayne I'm sure Bruce could easily get the mayor under his wnig should he wont to, but since that position is highly unstable with elections and so on, I doubt he wants to deal with that.

So why is it possible that Batman can be both a Superhero/King of his City while other such characters (and by this I mean more than just BP) can't seem to pull it off as well. What is the secret to Batman's success with both the target audience and within the DCU?

Ullar
06-10-2009, 02:56 PM
I think the key is that Batman isn't actually a king. He can do all the kingly things you said but he isn't burdened with governing and palying politics. If a criminal he is tracking fled Gotham he can go search for the criminal, he doesn't have to get permission from the other cities king to operate.

Mia
06-10-2009, 03:09 PM
The mayor of Gotham city outside of the animated series is largely unknown to me, and I would assume is unknown to the casual reader as well. Though as Bruce Wayne I'm sure Bruce could easily get the mayor under his wnig should he wont to, but since that position is highly unstable with elections and so on, I doubt he wants to deal with that.

So why is it possible that Batman can be both a Superhero/King of his City while other such characters (and by this I mean more than just BP) can't seem to pull it off as well. What is the secret to Batman's success with both the target audience and within the DCU?

I wouldn't exactly call Batman a king. But I would call him a sort of Shadow Emperor.

I think that Bruce Wayne uses his money to bank roll the election compaigns of a politicians who are friendly to Batman. This can be mayors, congresspersons, governors and even senators.

I think that Batman has done so many 'favours' for top officials that should anyone want to take down Batman, they are warned off. Further, for the most part (and this comes from reading 70's Batman books) Batman works with the police, he helps to apprehend criminals and solve crimes. But he knows when to step back and let them take the glory.

dreyga2000
06-10-2009, 03:29 PM
According to Bane he is...

One of the plot points of Knightfall was that some criminals or at least Bane view Bats as the ruler of Gotham in some sense and by toppling him... He could take his place on the top of the Gotham hierarchy....

Jorriss
06-10-2009, 03:39 PM
But he knows when to step back and let them take the glory.
He sure didn't in war games lol.

Mia
06-10-2009, 03:57 PM
He sure didn't in war games lol.

Heh tell me about it. WG was kitty liner. Willingham and co. had Batman showboating like Miss Universe for the press.

I meant in general Batman let's the cops take the glory.

Jorriss
06-10-2009, 03:59 PM
Heh tell me about it. WG was kitty liner. Willingham and co. had Batman showboating like Miss Universe for the press.

I meant in general Batman let's the cops take the glory.
Word man, Batman never actually takes credit, just does his work, then goes and finds something else to occupy his time crime-fighting.

mgs
06-11-2009, 12:17 AM
Isn't Batman King of Gotham City?

He answers to no one, and yet knows everyone and can influence just about any part of the system that governs Gotham.
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He has agents of various caliburs under his direct supervision or permits them to work within his city. Many of whom have either worked with him or were trained by him or asked by him to work on his behalf. All of whom would most likely come running at his beckon call.
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So why is it possible that Batman can be both a Superhero/King of his City while other such characters (and by this I mean more than just BP) can't seem to pull it off as well. What is the secret to Batman's success with both the target audience and within the DCU?
1. When you say that he "knows everyone and can influence just about any part of the system", you should know that I think this is wrong. Part of the reason why Batman is so attached to Gotham, besides being raised there and having the emotional attachments, etc., is that it has been stated numerous times how corrupt the city, as a whole, is. Batman is a crime-fighter first, and Gotham is bad, if not horrible. That's why he 'thrives' there.

2. Think about any real world large city...it is next to impossible to know everyone. He does have lots of agents and such, but it's necessary, and in relation to the size of the population, it's not a lot, so it's not like he has access to everything, at once. Or at least, shouldn't.

3. With other characters, in less corrupt places, it's harder to make a reason for and to exert their own force/justice, when honest people are trying to make the correct decisions. Again, it's that Gotham is so corrupt, that Batman is able to thrive there. Most of the 'good guys' appreciate his help, secretive or otherwise, and who's gonna tattle on him for tracking all the corruption, besides the 'bad guys'.

Usually, a city, irl, is controled (via territory) by certain gangs or drug lords. Batman is kinda the opposite, in that he is a force for good, who controls his city, and because it is so lawless and corrupt, others respect or fear that.

nepenthes
06-11-2009, 02:43 AM
I generally agree with the original post.

I'd like to see this idea explored against Bane as a mirror example, who would now be a noble but pragmatic military dictator of island hellhole Santa Prisca. Bane has the balls to take total power for the benefit of his people, whereas that's something Bruce would never do - preferring to lurk and skulk around shadows and stop muggers and lunatics one at a time in back alleys. Batman is a millionaires childhood coping fantasy and Bane is the real deal. so the story would be about questioning all that.

rubenlyons12
06-13-2009, 05:02 AM
batman is king for me