The Falcon with Adamantium Wings....

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

I mean with weight and so forth....perhaps a vibranium alloy like Steve's shield...I know this thread sounds weird, but I always thought the Falcon could use an upgrade, similiar in some ways to Archangel...I mean imagine him as Cap.

Razor sharp wings, a new suit, finally getting his due. Try and picture it. I mean, same mask, but the look is totally revolutionary.This may sound crazy but I think it could work in a team book.

Am I the only one who can see something like this? I know he's a big deal in Cap, but I mean more than just that.

I realize I'm throwing things out there, so feel free to add your own ideas. I've always been a big fan of Sam Wilson and could see bigger and better things being done with him, perhaps a new team monthly with him as an intergral part.

Just throwing out seeds

[janthonyh]

I was reading and old issue of Green Lantern Corps, you know the one from the eighties. Anyway, GL John Stewart, the black one, had a pretty pronounced 'fro. Needless to say he does not sport it anymore.

I was thinking to myself, why hasn't this look bee brought back?

I can totally see your version of the falcon with razor wings and a 'fro. Like a blaxsploitation character from the past.

Can you dig it?

[Expletive Deleted]

His current hard light wings are pretty cool already.

Really, all he needs is more exposure. Give him a mini or something.

[janthonyh]

and a 'fro!

[Cthulhudrew]

His current hard light wings are pretty cool already.

Agreed. Glad that Brubaker's using them; far too much of Priest's additions to the MU have been discarded.

[GalactaSurfer]

Falcon is an awesome character that needs an update/upgrade to his gear..... and bring back the fro, not the blaxplotation fro but the black power fro.

[Captain Commander]

How about SKIN as used by Iron Man. It could morph from wings to body armor.

[GalactaSurfer]

I would also like to see Sam sport something like Mach VI (Thunderbolts) armor.

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

It's cool to see people not focusing on the color of his skin, but rather his skills and patriotism.

I never understood why Sam never gets the credit he deserves.

Brubaker should have used Sam as at the very least, the interim Cap, Steve is his best friend for crying out loud and it makes sense to boot.

Discuss.

[Corey W]

I think it would have been very cool to see Sam as interim cap. He was, frankly, Cap's partner longer than Bucky. He could have passed the mantle to Buck. Oh well.

I would be on board with anything that gave Sam more exposure but didn't kill him or make him evil at the end.

[ZNOP]

I, like the new uniform but -- Since I, have not read Avengers (or what ever title he is currently in.) lately -- I, wonder does it have any offensive/defensive capabilities?

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

I, like the new uniform but -- Since I, have not read Avengers (or what ever title he is currently in.) lately -- I, wonder does it have any offensive/defensive capabilities?

By fictional Marvel scientific statistics, would it be possible? The shield was made in the 1940's technically, couldn't they have made advances by now?

I'm wondering about the weight of the metal itself?

Perhaps using the original badge shaped original shield?

[Babylon23]

Love the Falcon. I think all he needs is exposure. Johns was using him to good effect in Avengers and brubaker has handled him well in Cap. Getting him back onto the Avengers is the first step IMO.

The adamantium wings could be an interesting visual so long as they don't try to turn him into a 'flying Wolverine'.

[allwins858]

I mean with weight and so forth....perhaps a vibranium alloy like Steve's shield...I know this thread sounds weird, but I always thought the Falcon could use an upgrade, similiar in some ways to Archangel...I mean imagine him as Cap.

Razor sharp wings, a new suit, finally getting his due. Try and picture it. I mean, same mask, but the look is totally revolutionary.This may sound crazy but I think it could work in a team book.

Am I the only one who can see something like this? I know he's a big deal in Cap, but I mean more than just that.

I realize I'm throwing things out there, so feel free to add your own ideas. I've always been a big fan of Sam Wilson and could see bigger and better things being done with him, perhaps a new team monthly with him as an intergral part.

Just throwing out seeds

I agree, Sam has been paying dues too long, time for some love.

[Crowforge]

There's too much adamantium in marvel anyway.

[RJ Whakamol]

Ultimate Falcon has razor wings. He's actually pretty badass. He used them to take down Colossus in Ultimate Nightmare.

[ZNOP]

By fictional Marvel scientific statistics, would it be possible? The shield was made in the 1940's technically, couldn't they have made advances by now?



I'm wondering about the weight of the metal itself?

Perhaps using the original badge shaped original shield?

I don't think we are on the same page... After reading the specs of Falcon's new suit -- I was thinking if it had any built-in weapons systems that have presented themselves as of late.

From Wikipedia:

"Black Panther supplied Falcon with a new costume and wings. An emitter array on Falcon's back creates holographic "hard light" wings with a maximum wingspan of up to 50 feet (15 m). Controlled by a cybernetic link, the wings can be instantly reconfigured into "dozens of different cruise configurations". A "magnetic drive", in turn, provides the thrust needed to get Falcon airborne. The emitter also possesses GPS Jamming Devices that prevent satellite tracking, while the hard-light wings interfere with infra-red tracking. A Vibranium microweave was added to the costume itself, making Falcon resistant to small arms fire.[27] The entire system is controlled mentally through cybernetic circuitry in the Falcon's mask. The costume has in the past featured a hidden "talon," a cybernetically controlled grappling line built into the gauntlets of his costume which he uses to entangle opponents, hook objects, or for swinging and climbing when his wings are detached. The costume's visors come equipped with various capabilities, including infrared lenses, giving him the ability to see objects by their infrared signature at night, magnification capabilities, and remote imaging sensors that allow a full 360 degree of vision when activated. The cowl also has a wide band receiver and transmitter with an unspecified range. The suit was originally built by Wakandan scientists, with costume modifications by Desmond Burrell"

[RolandJP]

616 Falcon does need an upgrade.

[Spectra]

I really like Sam, he reminds me of the beastmaster, but of all avian creatures. If and when Steve comes back, I hope the two of them become a team again. They both scream America to me.

Sam does need a slight upgrade, maybe his wings can be made of a mixture of both the hard light material and adamantium. He already has vibranium microweaved into his costume.


Here are some scans of him using his powers and fighting skills against Scarecrow.

http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=4514.15

Does he still use a grappling hook/claw during battle?

[The Black Guardian]

By fictional Marvel scientific statistics, would it be possible? The shield was made in the 1940's technically, couldn't they have made advances by now?

I'm wondering about the weight of the metal itself?

Perhaps using the original badge shaped original shield?
The weight of adamantium should always be negligible, imo. When it comes to adamantium, a little goes a long, long, long, long, long way. First, it's base element is iron, so it's not going to be that heavy to begin with. Second, it's nearly indestructible, so all it would take is coating something with a few microns of the stuff to make it really tough. If you need weight, take something like lead or spent uranium, then coat it with adamantium.

When something is as tough as Cap's shield, there's no advancing beyond it without getting into magic stuff. It's the pinnacle of what's possible. Period.

[Captain Commander]

When something is as tough as Cap's shield, there's no advancing beyond it without getting into magic stuff. It's the pinnacle of what's possible. Period.

I don't know if it would be the pinnacle but the shield's exact manufacture are unknown. It's creator was asleep at the time. Which is a good way for Marvel to make it one of a kind.

[akumasan]

i thought it was made out of vibranium

[Captain Commander]

i thought it was made out of vibranium

Vibranium mixed with Iron. The unknown alloy was an accident.

[pharoahe22]

The only thing I think the Falcon needs are some Gadgets...he could be like a super-spy of sorts. Give him smoke pellets, emp charges...stuff like that to make him more formidable. I like the hard light wings...they're dope.

[Hypestyle]

who knows, maybe the black panther gave him a set that he keeps in a closet.. but the energy wings work fine for now.. though most artists tend to ignore the backpack, and so it looks like the wings just sprout from his back.. ?!?

Also, the photonic wings are supposed to be able to shoot an energy blast, but ever since C. Priest was bounced from the Marvel U. as writer, no one's followed up on that..

[The Cool Thatguy]

who knows, maybe the black panther gave him a set that he keeps in a closet.. but the energy wings work fine for now.. though most artists tend to ignore the backpack, and so it looks like the wings just sprout from his back.. ?!?

Also, the photonic wings are supposed to be able to shoot an energy blast, but ever since C. Priest was bounced from the Marvel U. as writer, no one's followed up on that..

I don't recall them shooting an energy blast under Priest. They just disengaged real easy.

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

616 Falcon does need an upgrade.

Thank you sir for seeing ultimately one of the main goals of the thread.

*Kindest Regards

[Crowforge]

I still say this isn't the way to go.

[Doc Goblin]

Adamantium is way too overused as it is. No way should Falcon's wings be made from that.

Besides, he's got those hard light wings. Maybe other facets of his character could use an upgrade, but definitely not his wings. They're cutting edge technology already.

[Scavenger]

Really, all he needs is more exposure. Give him a mini or something.

Or his old open-vest costume back.

[HeckBoy]

I like the Falcon the way he is. The material of his wings IMO doesn't really matter given how he typically uses them. Yeah, adamantium-laced wings would allow him to cut threw more stuff, but I've never seen him as a "slice-n-dice" character to begin with, so I don't really see him utilizing that offensive capability often no matter what his wings are made of. Anyway, I think his ability to fly is enough, while his link w/ birds is more of a supplemental/non-offensive power. Not every character needs to be an extra-powerful jack-of-all-trades.

[Crowforge]

I like the Falcon the way he is. The material of his wings IMO doesn't really matter given how he typically uses them. Yeah, adamantium-laced wings would allow him to cut threw more stuff, but I've never seen him as a "slice-n-dice" character to begin with, so I don't really see him utilizing that offensive capability often no matter what his wings are made of. Anyway, I think his ability to fly is enough, while his link w/ birds is more of a supplemental/non-offensive power. Not every character needs to be an extra-powerful jack-of-all-trades.
Psylockeifacation?

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

I like the Falcon the way he is. The material of his wings IMO doesn't really matter given how he typically uses them. Yeah, adamantium-laced wings would allow him to cut threw more stuff, but I've never seen him as a "slice-n-dice" character to begin with, so I don't really see him utilizing that offensive capability often no matter what his wings are made of. Anyway, I think his ability to fly is enough, while his link w/ birds is more of a supplemental/non-offensive power. Not every character needs to be an extra-powerful jack-of-all-trades.

Dude, great avatar.

I like the Falcon to, I'm just suggesting things that he can be a headliner with,ya know? I'm a big fan to, obviously, but dude, check it out...
I'm not suggesting something as mostrosity like as Noh-Varr or Mahr-Vehl or whatever, I respect that you respect the character as much as I do.

However, I do think something could be done with Sam that uses the wings like that, I mean I know we're treading on Wolverine area here (instead of "snnnkt!" it's "Kah-Sheeeeng!" or perhaps "Shah-Shiiing! if you can visualize what I'm saying here in regards to the wings.) but it would be different and original enough (if you could see my vision) and makes him a bigger deal, he's such an iconic character, I like the spats of his Marvel Legends classic look, I don't like for some reason the mask covering the nose even though because of the bird motif it makes sense, and I think a more stealth metal wings as offensive weapons is cool as all get out. Something, uniform-wise, that's dark and patriotic, but yet does it in a way that's neither contrived or forced. Elevating him to the status he deserves, not that he's not getting it, but I mean like even moreso than just the "best friend" or Obi-Wan type of thing. Sam is one of the best ever. Like a stealth razor sharped wing, kaaaaa-sheeeeng! type of guy. Like Captain America meets Blade. I dunno, I'm brainstorming here, maybe some highlights of red in the suit....much like Mar-Vell, there's so much that could be done with the character that makes him more capable of carrying his own book instead of the Mar-Vell like "glass ceiling", I mean, dude, that's THE Falcon, he's earned everything he's gotten, he deserves it. A push. More than just talking to birds, I see him as lethal weapon championing patriotism, but I'd like to see his street cred brought up. Remember when he didn't even have wings at first? The green suit? I know, it's funny on some level but it's cool as hell on another, he was just a guy in the neighborhood that was a true hero and got tired of the ways things were and decided to do something about it as a hero. Let's update him. Love the hairmask that cuts off below the neck, almost as if it's unneccessary, he's doing it because as the old Kirby like Cap isssues used to say) "He means it!" That shit never goes out of style, I don't care what era we're in.

Hope that made sense. Probably not, but I hope so.

[StoneGold]

Yeah, adamantium-laced wings would allow him to cut threw more stuff, but I've never seen him as a "slice-n-dice" character to begin with, so I don't really see him utilizing that offensive capability often no matter what his wings are made of. .

Yeah, he's more of a "fly into a dude with his fists" kind of guy.

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

Yeah, he's more of a "fly into a dude with his fists" kind of guy.

Of course he is, and always will be, but we're trying to think outside of the box and add on to that image.

That isn't changing, I'm with you on that.

However, I think we can upgrade a bit not to compromise the character but more to relaunch him., I'm not saying reduce him into a slice and dice character at all, I'm just updating him.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I mean think about the origin of the character, then think about a real falcon. The Falcon isn't just some guy in a bird suit who's only gonna throw a right haymaker then talk to some bird. I mean yeah, he can do that still, but let's add onto him without compromising his name or his look, only reinventing it. He's not a thug, brute, he's got class, but he can get down with the best of them if need to be. Let's just just work it out a little more to make it more compelling and realistic but without compromising the over the top super hero image and what the character stands for. No copies, it's Sam. Whenever they do that (and remember this thread is just for fun) it immediately destroys all credibility of the character. You like Sam is dead, but here's his edgier nephew or something, gimme a break, just bring Sam back and add on to him as he is.

Now imagine him seeing a mugging in an alley or whatever, then holding his arms up, because he's in stealth mode, and the adamantium wings "sha-sheeeng!"...then taking care of business on the bad guys.

However there's more to him than just the neighborhood vigilante, he's a highly powerful operative for the USA and freedom, a Captain America in his own right, but he never forgets his roots, it's complex, I'm having a hard time explaining it, if I could draw on this screen you'd get it, the original intent of the character doesn't have to be compromised, it's just the packagaing that can be improved upon.

I can see that, but that doesn't mean you can't have one without the other, the wings can be used as "slice n dice" if only needed to be, that's not my vision although it makes sense that someone would see it as that because that is a part of it, but let's not limit ourselves here. There's other aspects and it's all in the delivery, and I think retailers would jump on this if it was done right.
Think how they could be used as shields so to speak, like having shields on both arms that are sharp and adamantium that are extended at his command. Combine that with his straight up fist-ee-cuff skills and a little makeover that is both classic/retro and futuristic and we're elevating the character, it all comes down to the writing, I think he's got potential for a push.

You know, to toughen up the character's image even more than it already is, not that it's not already tough, I'm just saying. Falcon is an icon. If you can picture what I'm picturing, it rules. Image his wings being extended shaaa-sheeeng! almost like wolverine's claws but it's different they add flight and he uses them differently, dude, it's hard to explain, but I definitely see him as a stealth like character, similiar to a stealth plane. Help me out here, any artists in the house?

It's not as ridiculous as it sounds,. I think hardcore Falcon fans would embrace it because the character's name, look, and story aren't compromised they're just given a dose of extreme armor wings and so forth.

Like I can see part of the story being told through his eyes, possibly even goggles with cpu readouts as he is in stealth mode.

In other words, he's a BIG deal. He's not just a second or third stringer anymore. something like it's a project, F.A.L.C.O.N. (Freedom Aerial Lead Commando Observation Nocturnal) or something (yeesh that was cheezy but you get where I'm at least trying to go with this.

I dunno, just throwing out seeds.

Help out if you can.

[StoneGold]

Of course he is, and always will be, but we're trying to think outside of the box and add on to that image.

That isn't changing, but we can upgrade a bit not to compromise the character but more to relaunch him., I'm not saying reduce him into a slice and dice character at all, I'm just updating him and desperate times call for desperate measures. I mean think about the origin of the character, then think about a real falcon.

Now imagine him seeing a mugging in an alley or whatever, then holding his arms up, because he's in stealth mode, and the adamantium wings "sha-sheeeng!"...then taking care of business on the bad guys.


Yes, because falcons cut thing with their wings.


Except falcons, like most things, will lose any kind of aerodynamic nature if they hit something with their wings. Not that physics mean much, but it's a bad idea just from a basic physics standpoint.

And wacky new power upgrades never make a character better. Good writing makes a character better. Power upgrades are just a crutch. Not saying they're a bad thing, but they don't make the character better.

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

Yes, because falcons cut thing with their wings.


Except falcons, like most things, will lose any kind of aerodynamic nature if they hit something with their wings. Not that physics mean much, but it's a bad idea just from a basic physics standpoint.

And wacky new power upgrades never make a character better. Good writing makes a character better. Power upgrades are just a crutch. Not saying they're a bad thing, but they don't make the character better.


Yeahhh..I see what you're saying there. Fair enough, but then again, we are talking superheros here, and physics-wise, a human flying in the first place, without technologocial help is ridiculous...( or so they say, anyway. Heh. :)

I just think it'd be fun and might elevate the character as a headliner, and make him more marketable, it's not really like changing the guy or putting someone else in a Falcon suit that they say is "edgier" or something, that seems to be the current trend in comics, I hate that crap....anyways, what would you suggest? This is just for fun. (I'm thinking like Stealth-Eagle metal wings here for lack of better description, almost something original but somewhere between the classic Falcon, Ultimate Universe Falcon and like I dunno, check out the above posts)

I don't always subscribe to the notion that a power upgrade will make the character better either, however, in some scenarios, a little tweaking can help if done right and done so in a way as to not compromise the original character's intent or name or look to a great deal. So we're on the same page there, I don't see this as some radical shange, but itcould be something that gives it that extra grit.

I like it, it's not perfect by any means, but I do think I'm onto something here that could work and strengthen the character's overall appeal and sales when or if given a chance, I think, but I'm just throwing out seeds...you know playing around with elevation of Sam Wilson, what do you think? I can see fans buying the wings and getting into it at the toy stores, I could see him in a Captain America film but like Racer X in the old Speed Racer toons, getting his own cult like, almost Mar-Vell like following that could potentially be a solo film, I dunno, just daydreamin'.

Maybe he's alright just the way he is, and it's the "push" that's the problem, I can deal with that, I love the Falcon, but why is he always a background guy, ya know?

Like I said, just having fun, throwing out seeds...you wanna play comic creator with me or what?

Heh.

*Kindest Regards

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yes, because falcons cut thing with their wings.


Except falcons, like most things, will lose any kind of aerodynamic nature if they hit something with their wings. Not that physics mean much, but it's a bad idea just from a basic physics standpoint.

And wacky new power upgrades never make a character better. Good writing makes a character better. Power upgrades are just a crutch. Not saying they're a bad thing, but they don't make the character better.

Though in some instances I would argue that upgrades do compliment and can help characters grow, I agree that Falcon's fine as is.

He's an experienced true blue hero. Edged weapons don't compliment that at all and only lump him in with a million anti-heroes

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

Though in some instances I would argue that upgrades do compliment and can help characters grow, I agree that Falcon's fine as is.

He's an experienced true blue hero. Edged weapons don't compliment that at all and only lump him in with a million anti-heroes

Dude, totally man, I agree. Well said, an "experienced" true blue hero, couldn't agree more, that's why I'm tinkering with this concept just to make him a little more accessible to a younger audience without some bullshit screwjob replacement angle like they're doing with other characters....just making him a bit more intimidating and updating him, the wings making more sense, I mean it's not like they're attached, it's a technological thing to begin with....but doing so (upgrading) without deterring from his heroism and promoting his importance in comics that seems to go overlooked for whatever reason, he's always the backup guy.
I'm not suggesting a huge overhaul or compromising the integrity of the hero here, or the name or any of that, I'm just saying let's tweak this or that a bit and let him cut loose for a change.
I'm not saying make him an anti-hero like everybody else, but he could use a tweak or two and I think the approach I suggest would only benefit the character.

It might be fun, and I am a fan to.

However, maybe you're right, it's just that he could use a "push".

[Dermie]

Personally I think the new holographic wings that Christopher Priest introduced in the CAPTAIN AMERICA & FALCON series are great, and I'm glad that they are still being used, even though Sam hasn't been using many of the bonus features of them lately.

[carabas]

However, I do think something could be done with Sam that uses the wings like that, I mean I know we're treading on Wolverine area here (instead of "snnnkt!" it's "Kah-Sheeeeng!" or perhaps "Shah-Shiiing!These sort of things tend to never work or last if they are not part of the character's original personality/identity. "SNIKT" is pretty much iconic. "SHAH-SHING" will never ever be. Comics fandom just doesn't roll that way.

and I think a more stealth metal wings as offensive weapons is cool as all get out.Heavy, metal wings and stealth (complete with their own personal sound effect) strike me as the opposite of stealth-like. Especially when compared to wings made of light.
Something, uniform-wise, that's dark and patriotic, but yet does it in a way that's neither contrived or forced.Ooh, and maybe he can change his name to teh Eagle while he's at it? In what way is any of that not forced? You'rre taking a character and adding a bunch of nineties, passé grimdark traits to it;

[Captain Commander]

I hope that they don't make Falcon a slice and dice "arch-angel" type. It's just not him anymore than Cap would have had a shield that sliced and diced.

[IceFire]

If they give the Falcon adamantium wings, then he becomes too similar to Angel/Arcangel from X-Men. Different personality, but the metal wings have already been done. His hard light wings work well and are a lot more adaptable to various situations.
If they want to make it so he can slice with them, make it so he could reconfigure the light so it could function as a laser. There could even be a self limiting factor that this would require a significant amount of power so it couldn't be used often, therefore reducing the chance of turning him into a slice and dice character.

[Lupek]

Sam's red and white costume(s) is/are one of the best superhero outfits in comics. I'll take an upgrade to an ongoing Falcon series (written by Brubaker) though.

[StoneGold]

Really, this whole argument feels like the "Spider-Man should be able to lift 20 tons!" argument. It does nothing to help the character.

[daveageallen]

i always felt like the falcon was just a good guy version of the vulture(spider villain) but lamer.
he doesnt need a new suit, the white and red still looks so disco. he is not a threateing character at all. i wanna see a new bad ass falcon

[Crowforge]

i always felt like the falcon was just a good guy version of the vulture(spider villain) but lamer.
he doesnt need a new suit, the white and red still looks so disco. he is not a threateing character at all. i wanna see a new bad ass falcon
What is this Image comics? not every hero needs to be 'bad ass'. And falcon's suit is far from disco, there are no sequins, collars, or greasy medallions.
A quick wiki shows he can see through the eyes of and control birds, that's major power in itself. this guy doesn't need more powers.

[Babylon23]

I think the biggest problem is that Falcon is seen by many as Cap's partner and not much more. He really needs some time seperate from Cap, maybe a stint on one of the Avengers teams without Cap being present. Give him a chance to shine on his own and show that there's more to the character than the 'sidekick' label he's often hit with.

[marvell2100]

I think the biggest problem is that Falcon is seen by many as Cap's partner and not much more. He really needs some time seperate from Cap, maybe a stint on one of the Avengers teams without Cap being present. Give him a chance to shine on his own and show that there's more to the character than the 'sidekick' label he's often hit with.

How about have him join Agents of Atlas? That would be a good way for him to re-establish himself and not have the "sidekick" label attached to him. I think he'd be a good fit with them.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

i always felt like the falcon was just a good guy version of the vulture(spider villain) but lamer.
he doesnt need a new suit, the white and red still looks so disco. he is not a threateing character at all. i wanna see a new bad ass falcon

What the--? No.

We do not need the Falcon being "a badass." He's fine as is.

[Cthulhudrew]

Let's not forget what happened the last time they tried to remake Sam as a 'badass'- Oh, Snap!

[Dermie]

Let's not forget what happened the last time they tried to remake Sam as a 'badass'- Oh, Snap!

*lol* I quite liked what Priest did with Falcon during that run; its a shame that Priest never ended up doing the proposed FALCON solo book that was supposed to spin out of CA&F.

[Cthulhudrew]

*lol* I quite liked what Priest did with Falcon during that run; its a shame that Priest never ended up doing the proposed FALCON solo book that was supposed to spin out of CA&F.

Actually, I didn't mean Cap/Falcon- I meant the original Snap storyline where Englehart turned the Falcon into a pimp/dealer back in the '70s. What a ridiculous mess that was.

I loved Priest's Falcon, and really wish (like you) that he'd done the Falcon solo book. Or that Marvel hadn't inexplicably decided that Cap couldn't possibly be in two books a month and killed CAF.

[Babylon23]

How about have him join Agents of Atlas? That would be a good way for him to re-establish himself and not have the "sidekick" label attached to him. I think he'd be a good fit with them.

I'm not sure if he's a good fit for AoA, but it could be that I'm just too enamoured with them being a team of 50's characters. It would certainly get him out of Captain America's shadow, much more than another stint as an Avenger would. Even if he didn't join I wouldn't mind seeing him appear in the book though.

[marvell2100]

I'm not sure if he's a good fit for AoA, but it could be that I'm just too enamoured with them being a team of 50's characters. It would certainly get him out of Captain America's shadow, much more than another stint as an Avenger would. Even if he didn't join I wouldn't mind seeing him appear in the book though.

But now they're firmly established in today's MU as seen by them attempting to take down Osborn. I'd like to see Falcon step outside of his normal comfort zone and try something new.

[Hypestyle]

if Vixen were in the MU, I could see her hassling Sam the way she hassles John Stewart...

[GHalecki]

Though in some instances I would argue that upgrades do compliment and can help characters grow, I agree that Falcon's fine as is.

He's an experienced true blue hero. Edged weapons don't compliment that at all and only lump him in with a million anti-heroes

THANK YOU! Plenty of supposed heroes have claws and blades and swords etc. Many more than I can count. How many of them are truely heroes of Sam's stripe that use those kinds of weapons in accordance his style? I am sure that there must be someone. Black Knight I guess. Nobody else comes to mind.

These sort of things tend to never work or last if they are not part of the character's original personality/identity. "SNIKT" is pretty much iconic. "SHAH-SHING" will never ever be. Comics fandom just doesn't roll that way.

Heavy, metal wings and stealth (complete with their own personal sound effect) strike me as the opposite of stealth-like. Especially when compared to wings made of light.
Ooh, and maybe he can change his name to teh Eagle while he's at it? In what way is any of that not forced? You'rre taking a character and adding a bunch of nineties, passé grimdark traits to it;

I said twenty five years ago that they should have changed his name to American Eagle. But what do I know?

I greatly disliked Priest's CA&F. GREATLY. The idea of Sam sitting on a roof with a sniper rifle is beyond disrespectful, it is disgusting, IMHO.

I am okay with the "light wings". They aren't great, but they don't suck.
What I would love to see from them would be Sam sitting up there in the air with a "Falcon Effect" similar to the visual that Phoenix used to have, crossed with a little bit of Songbird.
But overall, I would have preferred if they kept the old wings for general use, but Sam could "power them up" with the solid light as the situation called for it. Just only when needed. Call it a huge power drain or something.