More Batgirl news

[Brack360]

DC's The Source blog has posted this new Batgirl image today.

http://dcublog.dccomics.com/files/2009/06/batgirl2cvrv4_fnl.jpg

http://dcublog.dccomics.com/

Thoughts? Seems to contradict the previous image...

[Retro315]

My first thought is that the drawing itself is awesome.

Second thought is that the mouth/jaw/jose/lips/skin could easily be the same girl that was in the Cassie costume in the first piece of art, so maybe she's trying looks out.

[carabas]

Seems to lend crescedence to that Battle of the Batgirls rumour.

[Kaos]

I think it's Cassie.

[frostedone]

If it is Barbara then "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO!"

Please don't devolve her Babs DC. Plus Cassandra is already a fine Batgirl!

[Sean Walsh]

So it's confirmed..........Batgirl has feet.

Discuss! :wink: :tongue:

[AiyokuSama]

I think it's Cassie.

That's my guess from the skin tone. But it could also just be the artist taking liberties.

[timbox]

I hope it's Cass and I also hope she quickly realizes that all that yellow on her costume gives her a tactical disadvantage. At least get some heels on those boots if she’s trying a new fashion perspective.

[AJM]

The yellow boots and the pose do both seem to suggest Barbara, don't they?

[carabas]

The yellow boots and the pose do both seem to suggest Barbara, don't they?
How is at a pose indicative of any specific character?

[Sn4tcH]

How is at a pose indicative of any specific character?

You know... sitting, Babs does a lot of sitting.

[AJM]

How is at a pose indicative of any specific character?

Seems like a reference to the old Barbara to me...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0aF72ivaEJI/R1BodlOkP8I/AAAAAAAABOo/OmOmZCsbqgo/s1600-R/Detective_000371.jpg


http://prismcomics.org/thumbnails/assets/4486-thumbw-250-c.jpg

[Will44]

I love Phil Noto's work.

I don't know who it is, but I'm definitely curious about it. Barbara is still paralyzed as of Battle for the Cowl, so I don't think it can be her.

[scott lantern]

Maybe it's Spoiler who is the new Batgirl, and not a previous Batgirl...

[Jorriss]

These two images they've released really look nothing like Cassie, this disappoints me.

[marvelprince]

I love Phil Noto's work.

I don't know who it is, but I'm definitely curious about it. Barbara is still paralyzed as of Battle for the Cowl, so I don't think it can be her.

Well her mini did leave a possibility for her to be walking, plus the end of her mini did say to be continued in Batgirl. Thats a clue right there

[Sn4tcH]

Well her mini did leave a possibility for her to be walking, plus the end of her mini did say to be continued in Batgirl. Thats a clue right there

Yeah, but Cassie and Babs are pretty close. And is Oracle part of the Network?

[Lorendiac]

I hope it's Cass and I also hope she quickly realizes that all that yellow on her costume gives her a tactical disadvantage. At least get some heels on those boots if she’s trying a new fashion perspective.

Cassandra's already been there and done that! She tried the sort of heeled boots you're talking about when she wore one of Babs's old Batgirl costumes for a night on the job in "Batgirl #45." At least one of those skinny little heels got caught in something (a grating, maybe? I don't remember for sure) and thus broke off at an awkward moment.

Cassandra said "Sorry" when she returned the costume, damaged boot and all, to Oracle, and Oracle assured her it didn't matter; same thing used to happen to her way too often (or words to that effect). The heel problem may have had something to do with Cassandra's decision, at the end of that story, that she was going to stick to her "regular" Batgirl costume now that she'd just taken the time to satisfy her curiosity about whether it would feel any different to go fight crime in Babs's old one.

[marvelprince]

Yeah, but Cassie and Babs are pretty close. And is Oracle part of the Network?

I know that, jus pointing out that the groundwork has been laid for it to turn out to be Bab's out of the wheelchair

Also yes Oracle is a part of the Network. They have her coordinating the movements of all the members out in the field

[janthonyh]

You know... sitting, Babs does a lot of sitting.

WOW! I almost fell out of my seat! Hilarious...

[daredevil1990]

Probably me reading into it a bit too much, but aswell as sitting down - seems too much of a coincidence to make her sit and clearly show a chair - the background is the same colour as Barbara's hair.

I mean, considering there aren't any words, htey've gotta be able to put as much across as possible and these two things seem too wel planned to jsut be coincidence to me.

[marvelprince]

Hmm this new image could mean that its someone new trying to adopt the Batgirl identity (meaning someone who has either never been Batgirl, or not "officially" been Batgirl). First teaser shows someone in Cass's old Batgirl costume, this one looks reminiscent of Bab's. Maybe its someone trying to get a feel for the Batgirl identity before making it her own.

[FemGeek]

I still think it's Steph, she's just trying out the different costumes. These teasers are kinda pointless, all they really do is start arguments (see the state of the Batgirl forum on the DC boards). What I would like, rather than these teaser images, is an explaination from DC as to why they feel there is a need for a new Batgirl.

[Armadillo]

After Jason is back, making Babs walk again will delete most of the damage Joker ever did to Bats.

[Sn4tcH]

My prediction is that none of us will be wrong.

I think Cass, Babs, and Misfit will all be Batgirl. The title will be changed to the "The Totally Awesome Batgirlz!" and will be drawn by an up and coming American artist who specializes in Manga style art. Cass and Misfit will be generally unchanged, but Babs will receive a new state of the art hover chair that carries her new computer friend "Oracle".

Oracle appears as the current symbol of the character, only now the little face has a mind of its own and speaks with a witty British accent! His mouth won't actually move when he speaks, but you will know what he's thinking because of little tear drops and cutsey faces that he'll make with big eyes and etc...

They will primarily deal with the young attractive vampire underground of Gotham City. A preview of the upcoming script:

Misfit: Why can't I be Batgirl number one?
Babs: Because I was Batgirl first. Therefore, I should obviously be Batgirl number one. Also with this new hover chair, I am the obvious leader.
Misfit: Fine, then can I be Batgirl A?
Cass: (appears from the darkness) No, you can be Batgirl number three and be happy about it.
Misfit: WUHHH!? (tears roll down her suddenly oversized head)
Cass: Enough arguing you fool, we must focus on the vampire underground.
Misfir: Aw man, fighting vampires is sure gonna bite.
Oracle: More like, Giga-BYTE!
Babs: Oh Oracle...
Babs, Misfit, Cass: Ho ho ho ho ho!

[Mac]

I'm still placing my bet on Spoiler becoming Batgirl.
Actually, no. I'm betting on it NOT being Barbra or Cass.
From the covers, it looks like they're showing the new Batgirl in a variety of the previous Batgirl outfits. Hopefully leading up to her own new costume?

[Sn4tcH]

If that's true, didn't Huntress wear the suit Cass wears (Sorry, I've never read NML). And what outfit did Misfit when she was going around as Batgirl?

[BatmanBeatsAll]

i am liking it

[carabas]

After Jason is back, making Babs walk again will delete most of the damage Joker ever did to Bats.I'd say that that would be damage the Joker did to Babs and Jason, not to Batman.

[jerrymcl89]

It's hard for me to work up much interest in this book when DC won't tell us who it's about, or even what it's about. With such a glut of batbooks, I think they are making it easy for this to be the one I don't get.

[carabas]

It's all part of DiDio's plan to sabotage all Batgirls not named Barbara.

[The Cool Thatguy]

It's all part of DiDio's plan to sabotage all Batgirls not named Barbara.

It honestly would not surprise me.

[shinjiro15]

i dont remember who put out this theroy, but it could very well be two batgirls. the two images are pretty different.

[Retro315]

Getting a weird flashback to Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman ...

Three women ... sharing the same costumed identity ... one good with computers, one good at kicking ass, etc ...

That'd be weird.

[Sn4tcH]

Getting a weird flashback to Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman ...

Three women ... sharing the same costumed identity ... one good with computers, one good at kicking ass, etc ...

That'd be weird.

Are you trying to tell me that TERRY MCGINNIS is the next Batgirl?

[Henker]

Not surprised at all with this image. When the first teaser image came out I guessed that we'd see more, featuring every possible Batgirl costume variation. DC really wants to drag the suspense out as long as possible.

If that's true, didn't Huntress wear the suit Cass wears (Sorry, I've never read NML). And what outfit did Misfit when she was going around as Batgirl?
Misfit wore her own, poorly-made Batgirl costume.

[DonC]

Seems to lend crescedence to that Battle of the Batgirls rumour.


I was thinking more along the lines of Team Batgirl. Or, Mystery of the Batgirl, if you're a fan of the animated series and DVD movies.

[d newton]

It's all part of the plan to sabotage all Batgirls not named Barbara.
Where's the evidence to back up this up?

[numberONE]

My first thought was, "there's more than one Batgirl".

That's a really good looking image, BTW.

[BloodOps]

Like everyone else said, a very nice image of Batgirl. To be honest I would like for it to be Barbara, but that's the old school and the BTAS episodes talking. :)

[paulski]

Yep, nice pic (and I assume the cover to #2).

Still hoping it's Steph, though. :wink:

[JumpingJupiter]

Nice drawing. Lacks background and it's an odd chair..

[Bamf25]

If that's true, didn't Huntress wear the suit Cass wears (Sorry, I've never read NML). And what outfit did Misfit when she was going around as Batgirl?

Yes when the "New" Batgirl showed up in NML Huntrss was wearing the costume that later Batman gave to Cass. Huntress thought that covering her face completely would concel her identity when she eventually ran into Batman. Batman later revealed that Huntress could hide face, but not her fighting style, which gave her away. He then basically said she was not good enough to be Batgirl, and to get the hell away from him, saying she had no right to wear the costume. He did decide that Cass was worthy and gave her Huntress' version to use.

[Captain Jim]

Yes when the "New" Batgirl showed up in NML Huntrss was wearing the costume that later Batman gave to Cass. Huntress thought that covering her face completely would concel her identity when she eventually ran into Batman. Batman later revealed that Huntress could hide face, but not her fighting style, which gave her away. He then basically said she was not good enough to be Batgirl, and to get the hell away from him, saying she had no right to wear the costume. He did decide that Cass was worthy and gave her Huntress' version to use.

... which I really thought was pretty hypocritical on Bruce's part. Helena was there putting her life on the line in Gotham for several months while Bruce was away in a tropical paradise having a pity party because Congress didn't listen to him.

[marvelprince]

... which I really thought was pretty hypocritical on Bruce's part. Helena was there putting her life on the line in Gotham for several months while Bruce was away in a tropical paradise having a pity party because Congress didn't listen to him.

Agreed. He was a complete dick to Helena

[dreyga2000]

Man, I really hate getting my hopes but I really do hope it's Cass.... A change in costume could be good for her... Then again that smile is makinhg me paranoid... I don't think Cass smiles much...

[Spiffy]

So we've got Cass' skintone and Babs' legs?

Gee willikers!

Sounds like Steph... with a nice tan.

[nepenthes]

guys, give up. It's Stephanie Brown.

[AiyokuSama]

I don't think Cass smiles much...

She has on occasion, but it's more a cat-with-cream smirk, which could fit.... <crosses fingers>

[Sizzle]

Do yourselves a favor and realize it's not Cass.

Now you won't be as let down when it comes out.

[Jae Namkyoung]

guys, give up. It's Stephanie Brown.

I'm actually okay with Steph being the next Batgirl. Cass should be the next Nightwing. Babs stays as Oracle, Jason as the villain and .. Tim as Red Robin, Dick as Bats with Damien as Robin ... hey it all works oh and yeh Bruce hmmm sooo whenever he gets back he can be retired or something.

[Superbeast]

Since we have seen two different costumes I have a feeling Batgirl may be a rotating role filled by whoever is around, whether it is Steph, Cass or Barbara somehow.

[Spiffy]

Since we have seen two different costumes I have a feeling Batgirl may be a rotating role filled by whoever is around, whether it is Steph, Cass or Barbara somehow.
Yes, that's one of the big current theories. Really, there's no more proof of that at this point than anything else. The hint that maybe we are seeing different costumes is the first thing even approaching that, but even that's kind of squirrelly, but nothing's saying those are all images of the NEW Batgirl. Very often covers and promotional art can be deliberately misleading. Like, "Oh, here's the cover of Issue #2, wherein we see a picture of Barbara Gordon as Batgirl, because the character appears inside this book somewhere and talks about her past as Batgirl". Something like that.

[Name Already Taken]

You know... sitting, Babs does a lot of sitting.

I chuckled.

[Spot]

Its gotta be Steph. There was that one Robin issue (one of the last few) in which he told her straight up he didnt want to see her ever again in THAT costume.

[Captain Jim]

Yeah, but he kind of stepped back from that in Gotham Gazette: Batman Alive.

[Dard]

Had a look at that image.
Remembered the last one.

My question is not "who is this" but "has the artist already been informed who is going to be the new Batgirl"?

[Frisky Dingo]

Since we have seen two different costumes I have a feeling Batgirl may be a rotating role filled by whoever is around, whether it is Steph, Cass or Barbara somehow.

I think we're just getting teased with all the different possibilities.

[nepenthes]

Yeah, but he kind of stepped back from that in Gotham Gazette: Batman Alive.

I thought the fact that Tim's wish was mentioned at all in Batman: Alive only added more to the idea. why bring it up again unless it's going somewhere? i.e. Steph cheekily adopts a different costume to spite him

[Hybrid2]

So,we realy wont know who is Batgirl until the first issue come out?
or it could be worse and pull a Red Hulk...

Gess i'll have to get it in trade is it turn out to be Cass.

[Lorendiac]

So,we realy wont know who is Batgirl until the first issue come out?
or it could be worse and pull a Red Hulk...

I've paid so little attention to Marvel lately that I don't even know what you mean by "pull a Red Hulk." :smile:

Gess i'll have to get it in trade is it turn out to be Cass.

Of course, I don't pay much more attention to DC. With almost everything these days, I wait for the trade. Then I often don't buy that version, either! (I think the last loose issue of any DC title which I bought was "Final Crisis #7," and it wasn't worth what I paid for it anyway.)

Accordingly, as far as my buying habits are concerned, it doesn't matter who will be the star of "Batgirl #1" -- I won't buy it anyway! Not as an overpriced, flimsy little monthly pamphlet, and probably not as a TPB either, unless I hear really wonderful things about the first story arc from other fans on these forums!

[Karl O'Neill]

I wonder would it be a spoiler to say who the new batgirl was?:biggrin:

[Nick Vortex]

Of course, I don't pay much more attention to DC. With almost everything these days, I wait for the trade. Then I often don't buy that version, either! (I think the last loose issue of any DC title which I bought was "Final Crisis #7," and it wasn't worth what I paid for it anyway.)

Accordingly, as far as my buying habits are concerned, it doesn't matter who will be the star of "Batgirl #1" -- I won't buy it anyway! Not as an overpriced, flimsy little monthly pamphlet, and probably not as a TPB either, unless I hear really wonderful things about the first story arc from other fans on these forums!



Somebody's a downer. The Bat-fan in me wants it to be Barbara. Even though she's great as Oracle, I feel sympathy toward her because she obviously misses life as Batgirl...and walking. Cassie would be good too, but I don't want her to switch costumes. I want it to be Steph in Barbara's costume with Cass still doing her thing.

So, Kate is going to be the main focus of Detective now. Is she doing her own Bat thing or does she tie in with the Network? There are so many people in the Network that I don't remember whether or not her face had a little bubble at the beginning of that book.

[DonC]

I've paid so little attention to Marvel lately that I don't even know what you mean by "pull a Red Hulk." :smile:


I don't read the book either, but I know one of the selling points was that the identity of the Red Hulk is/was a mystery. I would imagine that Hybrid2 thinks DC is going to do the same thing with Batgirl.

[Lorendiac]

I don't read the book either, but I know one of the selling points was that the identity of the Red Hulk is/was a mystery. I would imagine that Hybrid2 thinks DC is going to do the same thing with Batgirl.

I wondered if that might be it, from the context. "Introduce the character but don't reveal who she is and where she came from for a heck of a long time."

Wasn't that exactly what Jim Valentino did with Shadowhawk, way back when? There were all sorts of possible suspects running around as supporting characters in the first and second miniseries, but it wasn't until what, the final issue of the second mini, that we actually found out whose face was beneath the metal helmet? One of the likeliest suspects had a background that was shamelessly ripped off from Batman's childhood tragedy . . .

[carabas]

I don't read the book either, but I know one of the selling points was that the identity of the Red Hulk is/was a mystery.Is. It was supposed to be reveiled in #6. But the book didn't quite match the previews, and the mystery is stil being carried on, I think it's at #14 or so by now.

I don't really think a lot of people stll care.

[IvCNuB4]

Seems like a reference to the old Barbara to me...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0aF72ivaEJI/R1BodlOkP8I/AAAAAAAABOo/OmOmZCsbqgo/s1600-R/Detective_000371.jpg

http://prismcomics.org/thumbnails/assets/4486-thumbw-250-c.jpg


Sometimes it's just a chick putting on her boots. Or fixing a run in her tights. No hidden meaning behind it :biggrin:

http://kitscomics.com/d27/38.JPG

[The Xenos]

I like all the characters they've talked about and am glad to see them in the book. Babs, Misfit, Steph, Cass. They're all friends / family so it makes sense for them all to be there. They should work well together in a book. Though I really want Cass back in the actual mantle.
If it is Barbara then "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO!"
Please don't devolve her Babs DC. Plus Cassandra is already a fine Batgirl!
You don't see her standing in this photo... so it could be Babs. :rolleyes:

[pressdarlings]

It would be great...and I mean GREAT if they don't even reveal who Batgirl is during the first 12-issues. Readers won't know. And they would have to take a guess. A nice mystery, a spin on the ol' whodunit for readers to attempt to solve as the stories go along.

[carabas]

How do you fill twelve issues without giving your main protagonist an identity or even a face?

[Spiffy]

It would be great...and I mean GREAT if they don't even reveal who Batgirl is during the first 12-issues. Readers won't know. And they would have to take a guess. A nice mystery, a spin on the ol' whodunit for readers to attempt to solve as the stories go along.

(please see previous crapload of posts on why the Red Hulk is a total failure...)

[Lorendiac]

How do you fill twelve issues without giving your main protagonist an identity or even a face?

Well, when Jim Valentino created Shadowhawk, he had the first seven issues (I think -- two minis, 4 issues and then 3) filled with the faces and identities of various people who might be the protagonist who was also spending some of his time wearing a metal helmet as he maimed criminals. We just didn't know at first which "civilian identity" matched with the "costumed identity." Although I think it unlikely, I admit DC could do something similar with the first couple of story arcs in the new Batgirl title.

Come to think of it . . . "Reign of the Supermen" in 1993 introduced 4 different guys with S-Shields on their chests. They all had faces and distinctive personality traits; but even so, we didn't know which (if any) of them would turn out to be "the true Superman making a comeback somehow." That must've dragged on for more than 12 issues before it finally became absolutely clear that the real Superman a) was someone else entirely, and b) was coming back to life to reclaim his proper role!

[DonC]

How do you fill twelve issues without giving your main protagonist an identity or even a face?


It happens all the time. I'm sure there have been numerous story arcs where we never saw Bruce Wayne, just Batman. Granted, 12 issues might be a little much, but holding off on revealing the identity of Batgirl until the 6th issue wouldn't be that difficult.

[Captain Jim]

I don't think I'd have the patience to hang around that long if they didn't reveal her true identity.

[carabas]

It happens all the time. I'm sure there have been numerous story arcs where we never saw Bruce Wayne, just Batman. Granted, 12 issues might be a little much, but holding off on revealing the identity of Batgirl until the 6th issue wouldn't be that difficult.
That's entirely different. We already know who Batman is and what his motivations are.

[F1uke]

I don't think I'd have the patience to hang around that long if they didn't reveal her true identity.

Agreed. I'm already losing patience now, never mind reading it and not knowing who it is.

[carabas]

Agreed. I'm already losing patience now, never mind reading it and not knowing who it is.Oh, my patience ran out over a month ago.

[Henker]

My patience has pretty much run out too. I'll buy the first issue, but I'm not going to continue doing so until they tell us who Batgirl is.

[joemagnum611]

Give it up people it's not Cassandra. It's already been said that she won't be Batgirl. If it were Barbra then that would totally discredit her character growth. I figure it's either Stephanie or Wendy. The end of The Cure didn't say TBC in Batgirl for nothing. Either they find a way to fix Wendy's legs and she becomes BG or she plays some other big part in the book. Or for some reason Steph takes over the identity

[joemagnum611]

Double post

[joemagnum611]

Tripple post

[jenapen]

On Lee Garbett's blog he says we find out who she is in the first issue and that his version of her costume has been approved http://www.leegarbett.blogspot.com

[MTL76]

I feel like none of the possibles really make that much sense. As noted by many previous posters, Barbara really came into her own as Oracle. To bring her back to the Batgirl role would seem like regression, unless written very well. As for Wendy, if there's tech to give her her legs back, why wouldn't it work/be used on Barbara? Cassandra has been confirmed as not being Batgirl. I guess that leaves Stephanie as the most likely candidate. Wonder how that would affect her relationship with Cassandra, though.

[Morality Games]

I wonder what Cassandra would do if she wasn't Batgirl?

Wonder how that would affect her relationship with Cassandra, though.

It may be that Cassandra is putting aside the cape temporarily to do . . . something. Most likely outside Gotham. In which case, she might have asked Stephanie to replace her.

[Spiffy]

I wonder what Cassandra would do if she wasn't Batgirl?
Go off into the comic book graveyard of "off-page characters we never get to see"?

They certainly could try her in another costume, but honestly what would be the sense?

[Pixie_Solanas]

DC's The Source blog has posted this new Batgirl image today.

http://dcublog.dccomics.com/files/2009/06/batgirl2cvrv4_fnl.jpg

http://dcublog.dccomics.com/

Thoughts? Seems to contradict the previous image...

BOO. This image is awful. Sorry, there is nothing sexy about it.

Comfort boots? Please. She may as well be going to battle in Uggs. ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿

[Lorendiac]

I wonder what Cassandra would do if she wasn't Batgirl?

Recently, on another forum, someone else had suggested Cassandra would voluntarily relinquish the mantle of the bat and go find herself by developing some new identity (costumed or otherwise) which amounted to being more than "Batman's little helper and imitator." I said the following in response to that idea:
_______________

Of course, we already had something along those lines almost three and a half years ago now, in the final pages of Cassandra's monthly title, when the narrative captions made it clear that she figured she didn't need to be a bat anymore, and was going to find something else to do with herself. Since she was obviously abandoning the Batgirl role, she wouldn't have had any objections if Oracle had ended up resuming that role for herself, or handing a redesigned Batgirl costume to some other worthy party with a seal of approval. "Bette [or whomever], I know you will do your best to continue the proud tradition which I began and others have bravely upheld!"

The OYL issues of one title or another would have been a perfectly good time to show that one "good Batgirl" (Cassandra) had been replaced, sometime in the missing year, by another "good Batgirl" (who could have been Bette, or Steph, or anyone you pleased). So now you're suggesting that they may try all over again to have Cassandra say -- as she already decided three and a half years ago! --that she's grown up enough that she doesn't just need to wear a cheap knockoff of Batman's distinctive look any longer, and someone else is willing to take a stab at it if that's what makes them happy?

[Prodigy55]

BOO. This image is awful. Sorry, there is nothing sexy about it.

Comfort boots? Please. She may as well be going to battle in Uggs. ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿

The little unibrowed sadface MAKES this comment.

[Pixie_Solanas]

The little unibrowed sadface MAKES this comment.
It's emblematic of my feelings towards that image.

[Hybrid2]

From the solicit of Batgirl#2 we dont get to know who she is yet...:mad: :mad:

In what comic can i read about Cass dammit!!
I wasted money on battle of the cowl before i assume she would be involve and she was barely there at all. and now she's nowhere.:mad: :mad:

[DonC]

From the solicit of Batgirl#2 we dont get to know who she is yet...:mad: :mad:


It's DC's biggest secret right now, creating tons of buzz for the book, and you think they're just going to let the cat out of the bag in the solicitation info? Batgirl's identity won't be in the solicitation information until after it's revealed in the comic book.

[Quinnhop]

It's DC's biggest secret right now, creating tons of buzz for the book, and you think they're just going to let the cat out of the bag in the solicitation info? Batgirl's identity won't be in the solicitation information until after it's revealed in the comic book.

I think he meant that, by the solicits, it seems we won't be learning who she is, even by issue #2. It talks about how she's protecting her secret and the wording -- at least, to me -- seems to suggest the audience isn't going to find out for a while.

[Bat_Fan2232]

I think he meant that, by the solicits, it seems we won't be learning who she is, even by issue #2. It talks about how she's protecting her secret and the wording -- at least, to me -- seems to suggest the audience isn't going to find out for a while.

If thats the case i wont be picking this up for too long. Im not interested in a 12 issue arc where i dont even get to find out who im reading about until the 8th issue.

[DonC]

I think he meant that, by the solicits, it seems we won't be learning who she is, even by issue #2. It talks about how she's protecting her secret and the wording -- at least, to me -- seems to suggest the audience isn't going to find out for a while.

Define "a while." :wink:

On Lee Garbett's blog he says we find out who she is in the first issue and that his version of her costume has been approved http://www.leegarbett.blogspot.com

[Quinnhop]

Define "a while." :wink:

Oh.

lol

Good. Now I'll pick up the first issue.

[Frisky Dingo]

From the solicit of Batgirl#2 we dont get to know who she is yet...:mad: :mad:

In what comic can i read about Cass dammit!!
I wasted money on battle of the cowl before i assume she would be involve and she was barely there at all. and now she's nowhere.:mad: :mad:

BATGIRL #2
Written by Bryan Q. Miller
Art by Lee Garbett & Trevor Scott
Cover by Phil Noto
As the new Batgirl continues her nightly mission, the mystery of her secret identity intensifies. Now she has become the target of both Gotham City’s heroes (who don’t take kindly to a new person wearing the cape and the cowl) and its villains (who want to see the entire Bat-family six feet under)!
On sale September 16 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

Yeah, I was a little annoyed too after reading that solicit. I don't particularly have strong feelings one way or the other regarding who's under the cowl, as long as it's a good story. But I want to no who it is at least. I don't mind if they keep it secret from the DCU but I hope they don't keep the readers waiting too long.

[ftspyder]

I was honestly hoping that Cass would somehow still be in the Batgirl costume. Im convinced now that she will no longer be batgirl....kinda sucks

[carabas]

It's DC's biggest secret right now, creating tons of buzz for the book, and you think they're just going to let the cat out of the bag in the solicitation info?Well, such gaffes are not entirely unprecedented...

[paulski]

If thats the case i wont be picking this up for too long. Im not interested in a 12 issue arc where i dont even get to find out who im reading about until the 8th issue.

I'm fairly confident that we, the audience, will know by the end of the first issue. It's possible they'll stretch it out for a few issues, but I'd be surprised.

[Spiffy]

It's DC's biggest secret right now, creating tons of buzz for the book, and you think they're just going to let the cat out of the bag in the solicitation info? Batgirl's identity won't be in the solicitation information until after it's revealed in the comic book.
Well, they slipped enough to let us know it isn't Cassandra, right? (or for that fact, probably Babs)

Which leaves the logical question of what happened to Cassandra? Which is going to suck if this new book takes the hands off approach where all we're seeing is the aftermath of something happening to her.

It WOULD be hilarious if it was simply Cass in a new costume, and she's simply not acknowledging to anyone else that its still her--that she's er... reinventing herself. But I don't think DC is clever enough to roll with that idea. And the solicits we've seen aren't doing the kind of wordplay I'd expect if that was the twist.

[pressdarlings]

How do you fill twelve issues without giving your main protagonist an identity or even a face?

Easily. The other girls are in the issue. You just never know who's behind the mask. Speculation can arise. Might be interesting. At least for six issues. Think about it.

There was this old Cuban comic from the '50s. Can't remember the name of it but the hero's identity was kept hidden. My pops said it drove readers mad. You come to find out 50 issues later that the two main protagonists in the book were both the heroic avenger. They just kept switching on and off for no one to discover their identity. Pretty interesting stuff.

[pressdarlings]

Yeah, I was a little annoyed too after reading that solicit. I don't particularly have strong feelings one way or the other regarding who's under the cowl, as long as it's a good story. But I want to no who it is at least. I don't mind if they keep it secret from the DCU but I hope they don't keep the readers waiting too long.

Well, there you go.

Come on, don't you guys want something fun for a while? Attempting to guess who it is? A little bit of foreplay before jumping right in...

[Bamf25]

Over in Marvel land, people are starting to grumble about who the new Blank Panther is now that they have dragged out that reveal to 6 issues. It really does make you wonder how far they can carry it.

[frostedone]

Well, they slipped enough to let us know it isn't Cassandra, right? (or for that fact, probably Babs)

Which leaves the logical question of what happened to Cassandra? Which is going to suck if this new book takes the hands off approach where all we're seeing is the aftermath of something happening to her.

It WOULD be hilarious if it was simply Cass in a new costume, and she's simply not acknowledging to anyone else that its still her--that she's er... reinventing herself. But I don't think DC is clever enough to roll with that idea. And the solicits we've seen aren't doing the kind of wordplay I'd expect if that was the twist.

If it IS Cassandra I will be happy. Also that twist you suggested would be great writing. Everyone thinks it is someone else then BAM!

[carabas]

Over in Marvel land, people are starting to grumble about who the new Blank Panther is now that they have dragged out that reveal to 6 issues. It really does make you wonder how far they can carry it.
Red Hulk: 14 or so issues and counting.

[timbox]

Every comic that has started off with some big mystery and made it into an ongoing mystery has been horribly done. I don’t think the concept works in a monthly format.

[Lorendiac]

Every comic that has started off with some big mystery and made it into an ongoing mystery has been horribly done. I don’t think the concept works in a monthly format.

That's an interesting statement. I've just recently been hearing about Red Hulk as a mystery that drags on and on . . . and I've mentioned how Valentino's Shadowhawk took about 7 issues to reveal who the title character really was (although we knew it had to be one or another of the various supporting characters who were appearing in other scenes, in between Shadowhawk's appearances) . . .

Aside from those, what other comics were you thinking of as examples of trying to make the one big mystery drag on and on until it ends up looking horribly done?

[Dard]

I could wait for about six issues before I really want to know who it is under the mask.
Then it would get annoying.
However, I would really enjoy if the bat crowd wouldn't get to know for another year. That could make a good story.

From the new information it seems that Spoiler has suddenly become very unlikely. She was likely because she would be the only character who would probably be accepted by the bat people. Also, I don't think she could pull of a double identity for a long time. Not against all those detectives.

Which makes a totally new character the most likely possibility.

Which in turn means that I have now completely lost any motivation to buy the issues when they come out. IF it happens to become a top series I may get the TPB later.

[pressdarlings]

End of Streets of Gotham #1 reads:

You're going to be guessing who gets to say "I Am Batgirl" until the very end.

[The Cool Thatguy]

End of Streets of Gotham #1 reads:

You're going to be guessing who gets to say "I Am Batgirl" until the very end.

Yeah well, they said that about Battle for the Cowl too. Either they're being more disingenuous than usual, or writers really think that we fans are complete idiots.

[Quinnhop]

Yeah well, they said that about Battle for the Cowl too. Either they're being more disingenuous than usual, or writers really think that we fans are complete idiots.

But in that case it was obvious from the start.

This time we have no clue.

[pariah-1972]

End of Streets of Gotham #1 reads:

You're going to be guessing who gets to say "I Am Batgirl" until the very end.And she's wearing Cassandra's costume this time !
I think it's gonna be the Calculator's daughter.
The solicits said it was gonna be someone new putting on the cape and cowl.

[MyManD]

Cassandra was the best thing to happen to Batgirl and I won't be reading it if it isn't her.

[C. Earl]

I haven't been this excited for a Batgirl book since...now that I think about it, I've never been this excited for a Batgirl book before.
:biggrin:

[carabas]

I haven't been this excited for a Batgirl book since...now that I think about it, I've never been this excited for a Batgirl book before.

Can you explain why you are excited about a book you know next to nothing of, not even the who the lead character is except that the writer is a complete nobody and the artist capable but not spectacular?

[discodicky]

Every comic that has started off with some big mystery and made it into an ongoing mystery has been horribly done. I don’t think the concept works in a monthly format.

One word: PLANETARY

[paulski]

Can you explain why you are excited about a book you know next to nothing of, not even the who the lead character is except that the writer is a complete nobody and the artist capable but not spectacular?

I can't speak for Shameless Fanboy but, for me at least, the amazing Noto covers have a lot to do with it. Plus, if it does turn out to be Steph, I'll be very happy with the choice.

[dataweaver]

My theory: the covers are symbolic, intended to convey the idea that the new Batgirl will be carrying on the legacies of her predecessors.

My own guess as to the new Batgirl? A rebooted Betty Kane. Wipe away all prior appearances that she made post-Crisis, on the theory that none of them amounted to much anyway; and reintroduce her as someone who is just now appearing for the first time. That should be sufficiently "iconic" for DiDio, while still fitting the descriptions in the previews of a "new girl".

[carabas]

I can't speak for Shameless Fanboy but, for me at least, the amazing Noto covers have a lot to do with it. Plus, if it does turn out to be Steph, I'll be very happy with the choice.
All I can say is that it takes more than a cover to get me excited, especially if the cover artists isn't the interior artist.

[MTL76]

I can't speak for Shameless Fanboy but, for me at least, the amazing Noto covers have a lot to do with it. Plus, if it does turn out to be Steph, I'll be very happy with the choice.

My theory: the covers are symbolic, intended to convey the idea that the new Batgirl will be carrying on the legacies of her predecessors.

Yup, Phil Noto is awesome. I thought that they were trying to stress the fact that there will be a clean break between this Batgirl, whoever she is, and Cassandra Cain, at least in terms of the mood of the book and the protagonist. Noto's covers are definitely lighter and more... playful (?) than the tone from the previous series. Thus the ripped off part of the mask over the new BG's mouth, as in, "I'm gonna be talking... a lot!"

But yeah, it would be great if he were doing interiors, too...

[Alexx1]

I was going to start a new thread but just decided to post this here.

I had guessed for some time that Gail Simone would be writing Batgirl. So when it was announced it wasn't her, I was quite surprised. I just knew it was going to be her, especially the way Dan and other editors were initially describing the book: "Barbara Gordon would be in this book as would the Birds of Prey" and she had mentione a bit ago working on a "big book". Well, I came cross this on the DC WW MB:

Per Gail:
"I think Gail's supreme talent would be better put to use on a book like the upcoming Batgirl comic.

I was, in fact, asked to write Batgirl and worked on the project for some time, but eventually felt that someone else would probably do a better job, and I love the character too much to selfishly want to keep the book knowing I wasn't the best writer for it.


I knew it. I knew it! Now I wonder why she decided to taker herself off the book. I suspect DC changed the tone of the book from what it was originally intended! But who knows. Maybe she just wont' allow herself to write another book if it's not going to be Birds of Prey. JK!! Though one can hope!

[The Cool Thatguy]

I was going to start a new thread but just decided to post this here.

I had guessed for some time that Gail Simone would be writing Batgirl. So when it was announced it wasn't her, I was quite surprised. I just knew it was going to be her, especially the way Dan and other editors were initially describing the book: "Barbara Gordon would be in this book as would the Birds of Prey" and she had mentione a bit ago working on a "big book". Well, I came cross this on the DC WW MB:

Per Gail:
"I think Gail's supreme talent would be better put to use on a book like the upcoming Batgirl comic.

I was, in fact, asked to write Batgirl and worked on the project for some time, but eventually felt that someone else would probably do a better job, and I love the character too much to selfishly want to keep the book knowing I wasn't the best writer for it.


I knew it. I knew it! Now I wonder why she decided to taker herself off the book. I suspect DC changed the tone of the book from what it was originally intended! But who knows. Maybe she just wont' allow herself to write another book if it's not going to be Birds of Prey. JK!! Though one can hope!


IIRC, it was a combination of Gail not believing that she 'got' the character and that her revamp of Cass would have had Cass had a positive religious awakening. Religious characters in comics are allowed only as strawmen.

[dataweaver]

Not entirely true. Huntress is depicted as being a devout Catholic, without that counting as a mark against her.

[Alexx1]

IIRC, it was a combination of Gail not believing that she 'got' the character and that her revamp of Cass would have had Cass had a positive religious awakening. Religious characters in comics are allowed only as strawmen.

Is this something new Gail has said or hinted or are you talking about her previous handling of Cass. Also, I guess you're assuming Cass is the Batgirl in this book? I think a lot of people don't believe Batgirl in this book will be Cass so I'm not sure if what you said would be any motivation force to Gail withdrawing herself from the book.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Is this something new Gail has said or hinted or are you talking about her previous handling of Cass. Also, I guess you're assuming Cass is the Batgirl in this book? I think a lot of people don't believe Batgirl in this book will be Cass so I'm not sure if what you said would be any motivation force to Gail withdrawing herself from the book.

A while back, Gail discussed how she was approached to do a Batgirl OYL pitch. Cass discovering religion was a big part of it and apparently raised more eye brows than her going evil.

Not entirely true. Huntress is depicted as being a devout Catholic, without that counting as a mark against her.

I dunno if citing Huntress, the Faith to the Batclan's Buffy is a good example there ;)

[Pahara]

I was going to start a new thread but just decided to post this here.

I had guessed for some time that Gail Simone would be writing Batgirl. So when it was announced it wasn't her, I was quite surprised. I just knew it was going to be her, especially the way Dan and other editors were initially describing the book: "Barbara Gordon would be in this book as would the Birds of Prey" and she had mentione a bit ago working on a "big book". Well, I came cross this on the DC WW MB:

Per Gail:
"I think Gail's supreme talent would be better put to use on a book like the upcoming Batgirl comic.

I was, in fact, asked to write Batgirl and worked on the project for some time, but eventually felt that someone else would probably do a better job, and I love the character too much to selfishly want to keep the book knowing I wasn't the best writer for it.


I knew it. I knew it! Now I wonder why she decided to taker herself off the book. I suspect DC changed the tone of the book from what it was originally intended! But who knows. Maybe she just wont' allow herself to write another book if it's not going to be Birds of Prey. JK!! Though one can hope!


Same thoughts here! This would have been an excellent book for her.

[Lorendiac]

Not entirely true. Huntress is depicted as being a devout Catholic, without that counting as a mark against her.

I'm not sure how "devout" she is. It didn't stop her from having a one-night stand with Nightwing . . . and Arsenal . . . and probably others I'm forgetting. Nice Catholic girls aren't really supposed to act that way . . .

[The Cool Thatguy]

I'm not sure how "devout" she is. It didn't stop her from having a one-night stand with Nightwing . . . and Arsenal . . . and probably others I'm forgetting. Nice Catholic girls aren't really supposed to act that way . . .

Nor was she especially impressed by working alongside an angel in the JLA. The only way one can even tell she's christian is by the cross she wears.

[Captain Jim]

A while back, Gail discussed how she was approached to do a Batgirl OYL pitch. Cass discovering religion was a big part of it and apparently raised more eye brows than her going evil.

Yeah, I remember hearing about that, but it was a long time ago! I think we may be mixing ancient history with more recent events.

[pariah-1972]

I'm not sure how "devout" she is. It didn't stop her from having a one-night stand with Nightwing . . . and Arsenal . . . and probably others I'm forgetting. Nice Catholic girls aren't really supposed to act that way . . .She's a "lapsed Catholic" which means she sins and then she goes to confession later most likely.
Sort like Daredevil.

[dataweaver]

Right. The point is that she holds religious convictions, and the bad things that you can say about her have nothing to do with said convictions (and generally run counter to them). In short, she's an example of a character who's religious values are viewed favorably (when they are considered at all).

Still, I'll admit that that's probably the best example of religious beliefs being portrayed in a good light that I can think of; and that's admittedly not saying much.

[pariah-1972]

Right. The point is that she holds religious convictions, and the bad things that you can say about her have nothing to do with said convictions (and generally run counter to them). In short, she's an example of a character who's religious values are viewed favorably (when they are considered at all).

Still, I'll admit that that's probably the best example of religious beliefs being portrayed in a good light that I can think of; and that's admittedly not saying much.I'm sure there are other super-heros that have deep seated religious beliefs that are portrayed in a good light (Dust for instance)

[Rauch]

I'm sure there are other super-heros that have deep seated religious beliefs that are portrayed in a good light (Dust for instance)
I don't remember such characters in DC comics, but from Marvel both Nightcrawler (Kurt Wagner) and Wolfsbane (Rahne Sinclair) come to my head; both catholic, if I'm not wrong.

About Batgirl, I would really love it if she were Barbara Gordon; although it's probably not going to happen. If neither Cass nor Barbara are to take the mantle, the most natural option would be Steph. But maybe DC feels like they already used the most natural option for Batman, so they are forced to improve with Batgirl, dunno.
Calculator's daughter might be an option, if the limited series "Oracle: the Cure" are to be continued in Batgirl #1. It's an option, but it doesn't feel right to me. She woke up from comma without feeling her legs, and that gives two possibilities:
1) Nothing's wrong with her legs, it's just because she came out of comma; but then she would barely be able to speak, let alone sit by her own in the bed.
2) She does have a problem in her legs, and somehow she can be cured, while Babs is stucked in her wheelchair.

There are a few options more, but they've been suggested already. What really bugs me is the fact that I might never see Barbara as Batgirl again, aside Year One or All Star series, if the second one ever happens. And her impossibility to walk again, IMHO, doesn't have any "logic" substent.
The bat family is full of money, they can buy almost everything they want; they know personally the best engineers and scientists of the whole DC Universe, like Henry Irons for example, always coming with new sorts of nanobot machines that only science fiction or any other sort of fantasy can imagine. He could easily come up with something that allows her legs to function as they used to, and perhaps even better than they used to.

Of course, in the real world it is not feasable nowadays, but given due time it is going to happen, I hope.

[pariah-1972]

I don't remember such characters in DC comics, but from Marvel both Nightcrawler (Kurt Wagner) and Wolfsbane (Rahne Sinclair) come to my head; both catholic, if I'm not wrong.

About Batgirl, I would really love it if she were Barbara Gordon; although it's probably not going to happen. If neither Cass nor Barbara are to take the mantle, the most natural option would be Steph. But maybe DC feels like they already used the most natural option for Batman, so they are forced to improve with Batgirl, dunno.
Calculator's daughter might be an option, if the limited series "Oracle: the Cure" are to be continued in Batgirl #1. It's an option, but it doesn't feel right to me. She woke up from comma without feeling her legs, and that gives two possibilities:
1) Nothing's wrong with her legs, it's just because she came out of comma; but then she would barely be able to speak, let alone sit by her own in the bed.
2) She does have a problem in her legs, and somehow she can be cured, while Babs is stucked in her wheelchair.

There are a few options more, but they've been suggested already. What really bugs me is the fact that I might never see Barbara as Batgirl again, aside Year One or All Star series, if the second one ever happens. And her impossibility to walk again, IMHO, doesn't have any "logic" substent.
The bat family is full of money, they can buy almost everything they want; they know personally the best engineers and scientists of the whole DC Universe, like Henry Irons for example, always coming with new sorts of nanobot machines that only science fiction or any other sort of fantasy can imagine. He could easily come up with something that allows her legs to function as they used to, and perhaps even better than they used to.

Of course, in the real world it is not feasable nowadays, but given due time it is going to happen, I hope.I think Wolfdbane is considered Episcopalian now which i've heard called "Catholic light"

[The Cool Thatguy]

I don't remember such characters in DC comics, but from Marvel both Nightcrawler (Kurt Wagner) and Wolfsbane (Rahne Sinclair) come to my head; both catholic, if I'm not wrong.

About Batgirl, I would really love it if she were Barbara Gordon; although it's probably not going to happen. If neither Cass nor Barbara are to take the mantle, the most natural option would be Steph. But maybe DC feels like they already used the most natural option for Batman, so they are forced to improve with Batgirl, dunno.
Calculator's daughter might be an option, if the limited series "Oracle: the Cure" are to be continued in Batgirl #1. It's an option, but it doesn't feel right to me. She woke up from comma without feeling her legs, and that gives two possibilities:
1) Nothing's wrong with her legs, it's just because she came out of comma; but then she would barely be able to speak, let alone sit by her own in the bed.
2) She does have a problem in her legs, and somehow she can be cured, while Babs is stucked in her wheelchair.

There are a few options more, but they've been suggested already. What really bugs me is the fact that I might never see Barbara as Batgirl again, aside Year One or All Star series, if the second one ever happens. And her impossibility to walk again, IMHO, doesn't have any "logic" substent.
The bat family is full of money, they can buy almost everything they want; they know personally the best engineers and scientists of the whole DC Universe, like Henry Irons for example, always coming with new sorts of nanobot machines that only science fiction or any other sort of fantasy can imagine. He could easily come up with something that allows her legs to function as they used to, and perhaps even better than they used to.

Of course, in the real world it is not feasable nowadays, but given due time it is going to happen, I hope.

Actually, though she's been identified in comics as Catholic, Rahne is actually protestant. She was raised by a Reverend in Scotland.

[FemGeek]

Actually, though she's been identified in comics as Catholic, Rahne is actually protestant. She was raised by a Reverend in Scotland.

Rahne is presbyterian. She has been misidentified as Catholic a couple times, but is most defenetly Presbyterian.

[Rauch]

Rahne is presbyterian. She has been misidentified as Catholic a couple times, but is most defenetly Presbyterian.
Nevertheless, she is religious, and portrayed as such in a good light.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Nevertheless, she is religious, and portrayed as such in a good light.

Not really. She's been utterly dehumanized in X-Force, in X-Factor her faith was useless in helping her figure out what to do when confronted with the fact that she might kill Jamie, her religious upbringing and her (re)rebellion against it led to her having a secret affair in New Mutants and that's just off the top of my head.

The characters who find strength in their religion and keep to it's tenets are few and far between. With most, it's just a weight on them, dragging them down.

I mean hell, Gail herself said that her proposal to change Cass to being all religious raised more eyebrows in the office than being turned into a villain.

[nepenthes]

What if Batgirl was Vicki Vale? I kinda like the idea