How long do you want Dick to be Batman

[numberONE]

How long do you want Dick Grayson's role as the Batman to last?

[dreyga2000]

As long as the stories are good I honestly could care less...

[Jake V]

I'd like to see him continue to wear the costume for around 2 years. Give it time to feel like like the normal status quo, even though we all know it will be temporary.

[numberONE]

I'd like to see it go for around two years, too. Just long enough to scare some people into thinking the change is permanent. Then, once Bruce is back, I'd like see him stay Batman for a long time

[Doc Goblin]

Around two years sounds good to me too. Maybe a little longer. Dick becoming Batman is a really big thing, so DC should get some good mileage out of it before Bruce inevitably returns. DC's not going to really be able to revisit this to the same effect later. They should make the best of this and take the time to get the good stories they can out of it.

[numberONE]

Good points, Doc Goblin. And it's not like there's no current Bruce as Batman stories. There's lots of out-of-continuity stuff.

[Jimmy'sFriend]

Two years sounds right.

[machbear]

5 years or longer, then when Bruce does come back it'll actually be upseting the status quo. As Dick will be established as the Batman and may not want to give up the role. It'll just be long enough that some readers will know Batman as Dick not Bruce and it'll make the whole thing more interesting.

As it is I'm still ticked off that Barry Allen's replacing the real Flash.

[NeoStar9X]

As long as possible. I think it would be great if they could keep in the role for 5 or 10 years or more. Hell, I'd love it if they pulled a Batman Beyond type of setup where Bruce moves more into a mentor role with Dick staying as Batman upon his return and only getting into the frey when things really hit the fan.

If Dick is popular in the role and continues to be so then don't change it for a while.

[SpideyZERO]

2 years or more. Long enough to make some differences

[gocryemokid]

I'm suprised people want him under the cowl for so long. I said 1 year cause that's what I'm expecting, but for much more than that I think I'd feel like its fake. I look at Dick as temporary but more than a year isn't so temporary. I may be alone in this but I don't want Dick to be Batman. Dick can be known as Robin, or Nightwing, but never more than a Temporary Batman for me, otherwise I'd lose interest.

[heffison]

I'm not thrilled about yanking Dick Grayson out of his own life to sub for Batman, so I'd like this to run its course and be done once Morrison's 12-issue plan is finished. More importantly, I want to see Dick survive this and get back to being his own man.

Dick as temp Batman is an insult to his character's growth out of sidekick status into his own person. Letting him separate from Batman was one of the best meaningful character developments DC has ever pulled off, and it feels like they're just chucking it aside.

Yeah, I'm in the minority here, but I'd much rather get a new Grayson as Nightwing book next year than anything else the Batverse is likely to offer.

[Forseti]

I voted "As short a time as possible. I want Bruce back, now!" (The only one so far, apparently.)

It has little to do with Dick, but more with this new Batman's Robin. I loathe Damian and that loathing jumps over from him to his current role as Robin and ultimately over to Dick as Batman. Bruce has to come back A.S.A.P. to end this.

[Jim Thompson]

I'm sure I'll be in a very small minority here, but I want Dick to remain as Batman for the next 20 to 40 years. Batman, more than some other heroes, ought to be a generational hero, meaning that every so often the character is tailor made to be re-energized and re-tooled for a new generation of readers.

[nepenthes]

At least two years

[Lemurion]

I said two years, but that's because my real answer wasn't listed.

I would like Dick to continue as Batman as long as I'm enjoying the stories. Once I stop enjoying Dick as Batman stories I would like to see Bruce come back. Given that we are supposed to find out what happened to Bruce in the third arc, and the fourth appears to feature Dr. Hurt we may see him coming back in that fourth arc; and I'd rather not see that happen quite so quickly.

Of course, even if we do get Bruce back in a year, we're still looking at probably 40 issues with Dick as Batman (counting 12 each of his 3 titles: B&R, B, Shadow) plus his Blackest Night mini and I believe there's also going to be a World's Finest mini.

In the long run, sales will drive it. If Dick as Batman keeps up the B&R #1 numbers (highly unlikely) he may stay in the cowl for a while.

[Kaos]

As long as the story needs.

[Will44]

I would also vote "as long as the stories are good" but that's not an option.

[Jorriss]

I want Dick Grayson as Batman permanently but I'll probably get bored and want change so 3 years.

[marvelprince]

Two years at the very LEAST. I think Dick should be Batman enough to explore the wealth of stories that can be told with him in the role. How does the Justice League feel about him in the role, how does he interact with other heroes as Batman, how does he get along with the law enforcment, how would the the Teen Titans see him, how would the Outsiders, how does he deal with Bruce's notable villains etc etc.

I know some of these stories now, but the dynamic is so interesting that I'm gonna feel gipped if Bruce comes back and undoes the new status quo in a year.

[zur en arrh]

One to two years would be good for me. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want Bruce back soon, but I think one to two years is more than enough time to tell great stories with Dick.

[gocryemokid]

The one thing that bothers me the most is the way Dick fights vs the way Bruce fights. Don't get me wrong I love them both they just have different styles. I feel like Bruce, the Batman, is more powerful and better at using force vs Dick, Nightwing, who is much more acrobatic and doing flips and whatnot I just feel like that style is totally not batman and I can't really get into it. It feels like Nightwing got dressed in the dark and accidently went out in the batsuit one day to me. I'm sure ill get over it though I mean I love bruce, I love mr. Grayson (I refuse to say I love .. Well you get the point) , I love nightwing and I loooove Batman so its only a matter of time until everything gels I suppose

[Buried Alien]

As it is I'm still ticked off that Barry Allen's replacing my favorite Flash.

Fixed it for you.

I'd like to see Dick Grayson remain Batman for upwards of five years...maybe even a decade. That's a long time to go without the iconic Bruce Wayne Batman, but it would make Bruce's return that much more powerful when it happens.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Karl O'Neill]

As Long as the stories are good/great.

[Chief Jon]

As long as the stories are good I honestly could care less...

What he said.

[Red Lotus]

My first thought was until Batman 3 came out. But that is 4+ years. So I go with over 2 years.

The one thing I hope happens is that Nightwing get a good rogues gallery from this. I want Professor Pyg and the Circus of the Strange to be in Nightwing's gallery and I would also like Two Face and Todd to move to his gallery.I hope Winnick can add a few too.

[Hullababy]

I'd like Dick to remain Batman for quite some time so that when Bruce finally returns, his return has an impact.

[KandouErik]

How long do you think Bruce Wayne should stay dead? DC has made it clear they can bring him back anytime - but I think they should stick with Dick Grayson as Batman for a good long while. At least 5 years. I really like the new dynamic Grant Morrison is making, and I think it would be a real cheat on DC's part to bring back Bruce after only two years or so.

5 year or more, that's my opinion. What do you think?

[Will44]

I think we're already talking about this here

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=272851

Sadly, it's like one thread below the one you started.

[jgiannantoni05]

I love Bruce Wayne as Batman. So considering that bias, I think a little more than a year is enough.

My wager would be Bruce will return by Fall 2010 (DC actually said that that the effects of RIP/FC will last until 2010, they did not suggest longer). Morrison's B&R run ends next June. I think Bruce won't stay gone much longer past that, if past it at all.
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[Captain Jim]

Of course, even if we do get Bruce back in a year, we're still looking at probably 40 issues with Dick as Batman (counting 12 each of his 3 titles: B&R, B, Shadow) plus his Blackest Night mini and I believe there's also going to be a World's Finest mini.

By "Shadow," do you mean Shadow of the Bat? That hasn't been published since the close of No Man's Land. :biggrin:

Maybe you're thinking of Streets of Gotham. :wink:

[Captain Jim]

How long do you want Dick Grayson's role as the Batman to last?

I'm pretty ambivalent, personally. Pragmatically, it doesn't make any difference what I want, since they've already made their plans. So I'm pretty good with whatever. I'm expecting Bruce to be gone for around a year and to return in Batman #700.

I must say, I was really surprised by the large number of people who would like him gone longer than that.

[Perkele]

I might give a proper answer to this after I've read more than one comic featuring Dick as Batman. It's a bit too early for me to say how much of it I want really. So far it seems good, but it's still a bit of an adjustment for me, since I wasn't around the first time Dick took up the cowl.

Other than that, as much as I like Bruce as the Batman, I'm more than eager to go with this new (for me) take on Batman for as long as it stays good. So two years might be a good time, that'll probably be enough time to get out the best stories before anything bad starts to get out or I get bored of him. But really, it's still a bit too early for me to have a clear opinion on it yet.

[Name Already Taken]

Given the choices in the poll? I said two. Grayson is a decent character in his own right, and has plenty of ties and history with others in the DCU. As a sidekick, he sticks out as being the most prominent even though he grew into his own man under Batman's long shadow as Nightwing. The possibility for future stories is tremendous with him in the Batman role, regardless of who may be 'his Robin.'

The guy has plenty of issues to deal with like; living in Bruce's ever present shadow, his own history and personal mistakes that haunt him, dealing with the expectations of other heroes' in his new role while balancing both Bruce's rogues gallery and freindly relationship as the new Batman on a bigger scale. It has plenty of ways it could go with the writing and plotlines in various titles down the road.

A few years publishing wise with him as the worthy successor to Bruce will be entertaining, if written correctly. Despite the differences between him and his mentor, Dick can try and do the right thing as a mentor himself, namely for Damian in ways Bruce lacked the social or communicative skills with those he deals with. I hate to bring in the ever-so-often Cap A comparison for the student taking over the teacher's role, but when done under the right vision and guidance, it can be pretty enjoyable and make a reader want to follow more when a sidekick procedes a legacy character in that role.

Dick deserves far more than a year to explore the possibilities for himself, and damn well better not die for some stupid reasoning that was averted in Infinite Crisis.

He deserves better than that, from his history and possibility, and he had better not get short changed for the sake of some spoiled sh!t like Damian.

[Captain Jim]

The first image was Cassie's costume; this one is Barbara's. DC is playing games with us.

[heffison]

Fixed it for you.

I'd like to see Dick Grayson remain Batman for upwards of five years...maybe even a decade. That's a long time to go without the iconic Bruce Wayne Batman, but it would make Bruce's return that much more powerful when it happens.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

While that would at least mean Dick survives Morrison's run, I think a decade would be too long. Barry Allen's return would have had much more impact ten years ago, when more people who remembered and cared about him were still reading comics. The public's collective attention span seems to be getting shorter every year.
Bruce Wayne is more of a fixture in pop culture than Barry Allen, but I still think you want to take advantage of the drama of his return while the passion for the character is relatively current. If too many fans of Bruce Wayne drift away from comics in the meantime, they won't be around to buy the books when he returns.

[BloodOps]

Like most said with "as long as the stories are good."

Dick becoming Batman is a big thing in the DC Universe, for years us and the superheroes in the DC Universe were used to Bruce being Batman for the longest time, him always having the answer for everything. Now Dick needs to prove that he can jump in those shoes and do the job.

I'm very excited to see how Dick does as Batman the first several months and how others react to it.


But I do predit Bruce's return in the next 5 years or so.

[1WEBHEAD]

Hell, I liked the first issue so much, I kinda hope that Dick has just as much time as Kyle and Wally had/have.

[Oggy]

One thing I really hope is that Dick gets the chance to grow into the role of leadership he deserves. I've always felt he had the potential to be DC's answer to Steve Rogers, i.e. the one leader everyone rallies behind.

Of the DC Trinity, Superman has the trust of the heroes, the iconic symbol they all ralley behind, but hasn't shown the tactical knowledge to deal with universal threats other than "hit it until it stops moving". Bruce on the other hand has the tactical know how, but not the trust. Diana is the one who will make the hard decisions and do what's necessary more than the other two.

Dick encompasses all three strengths, the trust, tactics and doing what must be done, but he's always overshadowed and always will be by Bruce. I hope this gives him a chance to grow as a character.

[numberONE]

As long as possible. I think it would be great if they could keep in the role for 5 or 10 years or more. Hell, I'd love it if they pulled a Batman Beyond type of setup where Bruce moves more into a mentor role with Dick staying as Batman upon his return and only getting into the frey when things really hit the fan.

If Dick is popular in the role and continues to be so then don't change it for a while.

I was sort of wondering about that, too. When Bruce comes back will he take over as Batman, right away? I think the mentor role would be interesting. Mind you, even when he was Batman, that's what he was, considering the many Robins and Batgirls, etc.

I'm sure I'll be in a very small minority here, but I want Dick to remain as Batman for the next 20 to 40 years. Batman, more than some other heroes, ought to be a generational hero, meaning that every so often the character is tailor made to be re-energized and re-tooled for a new generation of readers.

40 years, even 20 years is waaaay to long, IMO. Just a bit over the top.

My first thought was until Batman 3 came out. But that is 4+ years. So I go with over 2 years.

The one thing I hope happens is that Nightwing get a good rogues gallery from this. I want Professor Pyg and the Circus of the Strange to be in Nightwing's gallery and I would also like Two Face and Todd to move to his gallery.I hope Winnick can add a few too.

That's a good idea. It would be cool if it did happen, although I think Two-Face is a better rogue for Bruce, considering their history.


I must say, I was really surprised by the large number of people who would like him gone longer than that.

Me, too.

[JumpingJupiter]

Oh my, the word rearranging joke potential of the thread title is overwhelming...

But I won't.

[Red_Knight]

I'd want Dick to be Batman as long as it serves the Batverse and its stories. I wouldn't want his run to last for ten or even 5 years, though. If DC was serious about making Batman a generational hero, things might be different, but no one at DC is even pretending Bruce won't be back. So, I'd rather they get on with it instead of keeping Dick under the cape and cowl beyond a reasonable point.

Speaking from a logical point of view, I think Dick will be Batman for around a year before Bruce returns. I just can't see Batman #700 coming off the presses without Bruce Wayne around. Besides, Morrison seems to have major plans for Bruce's return, and I can't see him being involved with the franchise for years and years (although I'd love that. :tongue: ).

[Vakanai]

I'm sure I'll be in a very small minority here, but I want Dick to remain as Batman for the next 20 to 40 years. Batman, more than some other heroes, ought to be a generational hero, meaning that every so often the character is tailor made to be re-energized and re-tooled for a new generation of readers.

I don't see how. He's no more of a generational hero than Superman or Spider-Man. Everyone knows Bruce is Batman, and has always been, since his first appearance almost a hundred years ago (was it the 20's or 30's?). I don't see why he should be more generational than any other hero. Dick as Batman isn't Batman, Bruce is Batman. Dick is just Nightwing dressed up as Bats, and it can't help but feel that way to me. The only way to make Dick Batman is to ignore his character and make him more like Bruce, which isn't doing Dick any favors.

I voted for as little time as possible.

[Infinitely Prolonged]

Three years for me.

[Jorriss]

Dick as Batman isn't Batman, Bruce is Batman. Dick is just Nightwing dressed up as Bats, and it can't help but feel that way to me. The only way to make Dick Batman is to ignore his character and make him more like Bruce, which isn't doing Dick any favors.

That's one thing I liked about Batman 687. Dick says he can't just play the role of Batman, he has to become his own Batman. So while I understand where you are coming from, I think shortly we'll realize Dick is Batman,too.

[Luisa444]

I actually like the idea of Damian as The Boy Wonder. But, let's get serious: Bruce is Batman! I love Dick, but he's totally not Bats! :wink:

[pressdarlings]

As long as possible. I think it would be great if they could keep in the role for 5 or 10 years or more. Hell, I'd love it if they pulled a Batman Beyond type of setup where Bruce moves more into a mentor role with Dick staying as Batman upon his return and only getting into the frey when things really hit the fan.

If Dick is popular in the role and continues to be so then don't change it for a while.

I would love to see that. 5 years and then Bruce as a mentor. Until he eventually takes back the mantle.

[marvelprince]

I would love to see that. 5 years and then Bruce as a mentor. Until he eventually takes back the mantle.

Works for me!

[Libaax]

I dont care about the time, i care about the story. I want it used well this time and not as lame,short as Prodigal days.

[VeganWithaYoYo]

He can be Batman forever as far as I'm concerned, as long as we get closure to the "what happened to Bruce" storyline within the next year or so. But yeah... if the stories are good, it really doesn't matter to me who's behind the mask!

[Fatguy]

Hard to say until some time has passed, and the missing of Bruce Wayne sinks in.