Tired of an artist

[RamuhKC]

:mad: :mad: I've been reading comics for some years now and I'm usually pretty patient with the books I do read and the artists that draw these books. Ever since Civil War started I was introduced to an artist by the name of Humberto Ramos in Wolverine (I'm not sure if that was his first title or not, but that's where I first saw his work). The first second I saw how this guy draws comics I hated it with a passion that can only be described as hellfire:eek: . The giant necks, feet and hands, the horrible facial expressions, and the ridiculous look of basically anyone he draws is just getting to be too much. He was everywhere for awhile there and I dropped two titles just because of him. Then, as if by divine intervention, he disappered for somewhere around a year, I believe, and everything was good for me again. Then, like in a horror movie, I saw in Previews a cover that Ramos did with Colosus on it, (looked terrible) but fortunately I didn't see any actual title work for him. I had hoped that maybe someone owed him a favor and let him do a cover because they felt sorry for him; I was wrong. Shortly after that he was doing regular work on, I think, Runaways. Then Previews had work on other titles by Ramos and my nightmare began anew. I just looked at this months Previews and saw he was going to draw the Dark X-Men and I think enough is enough. Why are bad comic book artists allowed to thrive in Marvel? I just can't imagine an editor picking up something this guy draws and saying to himself, " Wow, this is great stuff, and I can't wait to get it to print."
I'm tired of these guys spreading their terribleness to to masses and want Marvel to trim the fat a bit. Maybe they wouldn't have to charge so much money if they didn't pay so many crappy artists and boring writers. Listen to the people and keep the good ones around.
I just had to vent about Ramos. It's been festering in me for too long. Let me know what you think of him, and if you feel the same way I do about his work, and if you need to; go ahead and let it out about which artist you hate seeing be promoted by the brand. Trust me, you'll feel better about it.
So until Ramos is out of comics Make Mine any other Marvel title then his :evilangry:

[Beast]

One giant block of text makes your rude rant just run together.

I think Ramos is a fine artist. But then, I don't really care who's doing the art.

You do realize that just because you don't care for his work, it doesn't make him a bad artist. Right?

[Fatguy]

Yeah, "Bad artist" is a pretty wild assumption on your part. The assumption being that your opinion is indeed fact. Many people like Ramos, so I'm sure there ARE editors who pick up a page done by Ramos and say " Wow, this is great stuff, and I can't wait to get it to print.".

I like him, for the most part. I enjoy heavy stylistic art.

[RamuhKC]

Well it wasn't a run on when I first typed it out. My browser has a problem with registering type (need to get a Norton update). Lost some of the paragraphs in the copy/paste. I think my main problem with his style is that it looks like any high school kid drawing anime on their binder or piece of scrap paper. And I don't think I ever said he was a bad artist, just that I thought his work is bad and didn't care for it. All opinions are just that, opinions, and opinions are not fact. That's why I asked what everyone else thought about him. Just my opinion, not intended to be rude. I also wasn't sure where to post this. I didn't see any general forum and I'm not too familiar with the webpage in the first place.

[agrich]

If only there were other comics featuring the same characters drawn by different artists for you to enjoy.

[Violently Apathetic]

Well, Ramos' art isn't the type that's going to appeal to everyone. He's not a bad artist, his cartoony style just isn't always the best fit for certain books.

I'd take him over Land or Finch any day....

[RamuhKC]

Well this doesn't have to stay all negative. If I had to pick a favorite, I noticed that this area is geared more towards good, I like Mike Deodato's artwork :)

[Fatguy]

And I don't think I ever said he was a bad artist, just that I thought his work is bad and didn't care for it.

Why are bad comic book artists allowed to thrive in Marvel?

Also, I LOVED when Ramos was on Spider-Man, it fit his quirky style.

[RamuhKC]

That was a general statement. I didn't say Humberto Ramos is a bad artist.

[Fatguy]

That was a general statement. I didn't say Humberto Ramos is a bad artist.

lol OOHHHHHHH, other "bad artists" are allowed to thrive in Marvel....but you're of course not speaking about Ramos, the subject of your post.

Ok then. I apologize for my poor reading skills.

[Avenger08]

1. Actually you did.

2. I really, REALLY, hate the way he draws as well. I dont care for the style and dont at all find it all that impressive. However, i would not go to such lengths as to call him a bad artist.

[RamuhKC]

No, other bad artists are allowed to thrive in Marvel. That's why I said that, and why I included writers that make you fall asleep reading an issue. Your poor reading skills are forgiven as is the sarcasm on an opinion. lol

[RamuhKC]

Guys, I didn't say he was a bad artist. Obviously if you are a bad artist then you aren't going to be paid to do art type things. I said I don't like him and how he draws is all. I'll give you a pretend dollar if you can find where I said, "Humberto Ramos is a bad artist." But just a warning the money is only good in pretendland and they don't have anything you can really buy :)

[Fatguy]

So, just out of curiosity, who are these bad artists who are allowed to thrive at Marvel?

[IMJ]

I'd take him over Land or Finch any day....

For a while I swore that Finch was the second coming of McFarlane... I love his work, and it was the thing that got me buying Moon Knight for a time. Greg Land is fine, not great butt fine. I just think he's a mark for fanboy criticism.

[Jadeskies]

. I'll give you a pretend dollar if you can find where I said, "Humberto Ramos is a bad artist." But just a warning the money is only good in pretendland and they don't have anything you can really buy :)

Only good in pretend land? Kinda like your opinion eh?

[RamuhKC]

So, just out of curiosity, who are these bad artists who are allowed to thrive at Marvel?
Haha, anyone I don't like. Stop taking this so seriously. :)

[carabas]

Ramos is a decent artist, but he really shouldn't do things that aren't comedy.

[RamuhKC]

Only good in pretend land? Kinda like your opinion eh?
Yeah my opinion is only good in pretendland, just like anyone elses'. No one cares about your opinion unless they agree with it; that's life, and I'm ok with that.

[Grapeweasel]

Humberto Ramos seems like a very nice man who works hard at his craft.

I don't hate the man.

I do hate the man's style, though.

[RamuhKC]

lol. Careful, you'll open the gateway to harsh criticism. :))

[Beast]

And I don't think I ever said he was a bad artist, just that I thought his work is bad and didn't care for it.
Oh really?

Why are bad comic book artists allowed to thrive in Marvel?

[Gitaroo_Dude]

So, just out of curiosity, who are these bad artists who are allowed to thrive at Marvel?

Gred Land. Obvious answer, but the correct one too.

And yeah, I really dislike Ramos too, and even dropped Runaways mostly due to his art, but I wouldn't call it bad.

Which is weird, because I absolutely love Bachalo's work along with Lafuente, so it's not the stylized nature that puts me off.

[RamuhKC]

Oh really?
I believe I addressed that one already, try to keep up.

[Cruelly_Innocent]

Gred Land. Obvious answer, but the correct one too.

And yeah, I really dislike Ramos too, and even dropped Runaways mostly due to his art, but I wouldn't call it bad.

Which is weird, because I absolutely love Bachalo's work along with Lafuente, so it's not the stylized nature that puts me off.

Greg Land did wonders to some DC things I've read in the past. What the hell happened down the road I'll never be able to tell (...come to think of it, I heard that he traced some of that work too, and it was normal comic style, nothing like the models he draws now)

in the Ramos topic: Maybe it is that mate, beacuse while Bachalo's is a mix of comic, Animesque style and a tint of his own mind, Ramos does this as well, but the animesque part is replaced with graffitiesque, I'm pretty sure that he could wonders to a wall in the street.

I read X-men when they were both doing the interiors, and Although I believe marvel thought that their styles were similar for the book... They're actually quite different, and Ramos's art tends to be colored with strong shades while Bachalo's is colored with cold and pastel-like shades (at least while they were both doing X-men)

So I think it's possible to enjoy one and dislike the other. Back then I always was comparing the two, but now I see Ramos's art as it's own thing, and while is not my cup of tea, it doesn't bother me anymore (BUT his Emma frost from civil war was trailer trash...pink bra? :mad: )

[Beast]

I believe I addressed that one already, try to keep up.
Nah. It's funner to point out where you're wrong.

[Fatguy]

Haha, anyone I don't like. Stop taking this so seriously. :)

Oh trust me, I'm not taking this topic at all seriously. Who possibly could?

Though, you now claiming that you DIDN'T say he was a bad artist and your word play runaround and your "oh no, that's not what I said!" stuff is far more ridiculous than your original point. You've done yourself no favors :wink:

[Fatguy]

Gred Land. Obvious answer, but the correct one too.

Greg Land isnt an artist, he's a tracer with a porn fixation.

[Gitaroo_Dude]

Greg Land isnt an artist, he's a tracer with a porn fixation.

True, but Marvel still maintains that he's an artist, and he is on one of their flagship books, UXM, so he's having success.

[Cruelly_Innocent]

True, but Marvel still maintains that he's an artist, and he is on one of their flagship books, UXM, so he's having success.

True, but you're saying "flagship" as if the word had any weight. Nowadays UXM is two steps away from being a humongous piece of shiz with both the current artist and the dialogue that Fraction brings to the table.

So that's what Marvel is really looking at when they say that Land is an artist, is quantity (sales) not quality. The book is pretty terrible, is only natural they were going to give the job to someone who can't draw to save his life.

[yadadaimhollaing]

Havent seen ramos interiors but the artist i hate is deodato

[Gitaroo_Dude]

True, but you're saying "flagship" as if the word had any weight. Nowadays UXM is two steps away from being a humongous piece of shiz with both the current artist and the dialogue that Fraction brings to the table.

So that's what Marvel is really looking at when they say that Land is an artist, is quantity (sales) not quality. The book is pretty terrible, is only natural they were going to give the job to someone who can't draw to save his life.

True, but this is the same Marvel that employs Jeph Loeb. They could care less about quality as long as stupid comic fans continue to buy books out of habit, their "THIS WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING TRUE BELIEVERS!" hype, or the collector mentality.

At the end of the day, they employ Greg Land as an artist on a major title that sells well. So yes, Marvel does allow bad artists to thrive, and so do Marvel fans. If X-Men fans could just stop buying UXM, maybe Land would get the boot. But nah, they'd rather just continue buying the book and complain. But that's neither here nor there in a discussion about bad artists.

[Cruelly_Innocent]

True, but this is the same Marvel that employs Jeph Loeb. They could care less about quality as long as stupid comic fans continue to buy books out of habit, their "THIS WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING TRUE BELIEVERS!" hype, or the collector mentality.

At the end of the day, they employ Greg Land as an artist on a major title that sells well. So yes, Marvel does allow bad artists to thrive, and so do Marvel fans. If X-Men fans could just stop buying UXM, maybe Land would get the boot. But nah, they'd rather just continue buying the book and complain. But that's neither here nor there in a discussion about bad artists.

Well..I can't do anything but nod and agree with everything you said

In my opinion Ramos is not a bad artist at all, just different. he doesn't try to pass his style as something that is not (I think that Land really believes that people look like that in real life and worst... He thinks it's sexy) Ramos uses and exaggerated style of drawing but it's the intention :tongue: and at the very end, at least he does all of his material, I've seen him draw the Hulk, not trace him :wink:

[Butch Mapa]

Tired of an artist? That's only happened to me twice. Andy Kubert and Terry Dodson. I LOVE the art of both guys, but seeing a lot of it (like on a TPB) makes me kinda sick of it towards the end.

(But make no mistake, both guys rock.)

I get more easily tired of a writer. I've gotten sick at one point of all my fave writers-- Millar, Ellis, Bendis, Ennis, Brubaker, even Carey. I think it's because writers have a harder time changing their styles, as opposed to artists (whose art can be changed just by collaborating with new inkers and colorists).

[drwho]

I agree with the op for the most part. Humberto is a bad artist and I think his style only works on certain things. But I dont think it looks well in superhero books.