Wonder Woman's Boyfriend

[RachelRules]

If Diana and Tom are going to break up, which DC character should she hook up with next? :biggrin:

[Paiute 1]

Hal Jordan since he now nails anything in a skirt, why not go for the best.

[Jay Dogg]

Vixen.......

[dumbstruck]

Vixen.......


This would actually make sense. Not Vixen specifically, but that she has a relationship with a woman. She does come from an island of women, and WW even alluded to it when her and Tom first got together. Maybe that wasn't just a throwaway line.

[celticguy]

This would actually make sense. Not Vixen specifically, but that she has a relationship with a woman. She does come from an island of women, and WW even alluded to it when her and Tom first got together. Maybe that wasn't just a throwaway line.

it would but would DC ever do it?

And WW could get hotter than Vixen.

It would be fun is she dated plastic man given the way they got along in the JLA.

[dumbstruck]

it would but would DC ever do it?

And WW could get hotter than Vixen.

It would be fun is she dated plastic man given the way they got along in the JLA.


Maybe this would be DC's second attempt at the lesbian superhero, since they chickened out with Batwoman.

[Scavenger]

Maybe this would be DC's second attempt at the lesbian superhero, since they chickened out with Batwoman.

How exactly did they chicken out with Batwoman?

[IMJ]

Hal Jordan since he now nails anything in a skirt, why not go for the best.

HA! It must be part of Rebirth.... no more grey streak and the diminishing capacities that come along with it.

[Free-Man]

Screw Hal! Diana needs her some ICON.

[celticguy]

Screw Hal! Diana needs her some ICON.

true Hal is not a relationship he is just excercise.

Icon might be able to keep up or Mon el maybe that guy must be ready to burst.

[Scavenger]

Icon might be able to keep up or Mon el maybe that guy must be ready to burst.

Given Mon-El took the last name of a guy he likes, much like an 8th grade girl writes in her diary, I'm thinking the Manazons might be more to his liking.:tongue:

[WorstThingUS]

Apparently the success of Batman and Catwoman is lost on everyone or has no one else considered a villain? It's very much a heroic standard to fall for a hot adversary. But none of that Jason Todd/Wonder Girl crap. Have it be in character. What "noble" bad guys does DC have beyond the obvious revamped Catman?

[K-DoG7p7]

Connor Hawke


Think about it..



he would also work with Power Girl

[BYC]

Apparently the success of Batman and Catwoman is lost on everyone or has no one else considered a villain? It's very much a heroic standard to fall for a hot adversary. But none of that Jason Todd/Wonder Girl crap. Have it be in character. What "noble" bad guys does DC have beyond the obvious revamped Catman?
Darkseid?

Vandal Savage when he's not crazy and insane?

Ra's Al Ghul?

[Paiute 1]

Apparently the success of Batman and Catwoman is lost on everyone or has no one else considered a villain? It's very much a heroic standard to fall for a hot adversary. But none of that Jason Todd/Wonder Girl crap. Have it be in character. What "noble" bad guys does DC have beyond the obvious revamped Catman?

Black Adam, oops forgot he got his Isis back.

[Kevinroc]

The truth is, ever since Steve Trevor was written out of being a possible love interest, Wonder Woman has never had a chance to have another real love interest.

Every time some creator tries to make a new love interest, the next person gets rid of them (Trevor Barnes, for example).

At this point, if they can't use Steve, I don't think they should even bother trying.

[Free-Man]

true Hal is not a relationship he is just excercise.

Icon might be able to keep up or Mon el maybe that guy must be ready to burst.

Yep. I woulda said Superman, but:

A. I hate the idea of them together.

B. He's taken.

It seems to me that only someone from the Superman/Shazam/Icon/Mon-el school of strength could safely make whoopie with WW.

[carabas]

How exactly did they chicken out with Batwoman?They chickened out when they canceled her ongoing series, two years ago, with two issues completed but unpublished, art and all.

[Crowforge]

Black Adam, oops forgot he got his Isis back.
Did he now? That was one thing I didn't like about 52.

[Paiute 1]

Yeah, she came back in Justice Society 23-25 through Faust's intervention but what happened between 52 and then, I have no Idea.

[Thok]

Yeah, she came back in Justice Society 23-25 through Faust's intervention but what happened between 52 and then, I have no Idea.

52 -> Black Adam: The Dark Age -> Justice Society 23-25

[Finganforn]

Black Adam, oops forgot he got his Isis back.

Flame all you people want, but I think the other guy with a thunder would be a good love INTEREST (not factual boyfriend at this moment). Assuming that after so many reset buttons and etcs she doesnt know that Captain Marvel is a teenager, they could team up, she likes him (if you think about, they have a lot in common) and he likes her, ofc it doesnt go well (she wants more than hi, he is a teen and his mind blows up and he does shit), after some stuff she discovers his secret, than she understands, but considering how both are probably going to live for a long long (add some longs here) time, they end like "nothing now, but we have time". Solves CM thing with stargirl (and leaves her for her other interest), keeps WW with no fixed partner for a reason, we get a good to read story, everyone is happy. Wait, with so many Superman-WW stories, they would never match her with his "copy", oh damn, there goes the dream.

[HaroldAllnut]

Call me perverse, but I'd like to see her nail Dick Grayson, now that he's become the new Dark Knight. I think she goes well with Nemesis, but if it had to be someone else, Dick would be my top choice.

Screw Hal! Diana needs her some ICON.

That is a fine plan.

[ScottyQuick]

Io. Io Io Io Io Io!

Loved her! Bring her back, Simone!

[WorstThingUS]

Flame all you people want, but I think the other guy with a thunder would be a good love INTEREST (not factual boyfriend at this moment). Assuming that after so many reset buttons and etcs she doesnt know that Captain Marvel is a teenager

Which doesn't change the fact that WE all know, making it creepy and unpleasant to read.

[Crowforge]

Why does she need a boyfriend again?

[Vic Vega]

Connor Hawke


Think about it..



he would also work with Power Girl

I could see that too.

Connor's pre-amnesia world-view would match up well with Diana's in many places.

[AllisterH]

Why does she need a boyfriend again?

Because having a SO is considered a core part of ANY superhero's supporting cast. Since 1986's Crisis, is there a character from EITHER company that has gone this long without a significant other and has had as MANY appearances as Diana?

Hell, even Dinah Soar of the Great Lakes Avengers is getting more than Diana and that's just makes Diana seem pathetic.

[ScottyQuick]

I could see that too.

Connor's pre-amnesia world-view would match up well with Diana's in many places.

Stupid. Frigging. Amnesia.

I really want to ask Mr. Winick what his intentions were when he wrote that.

[Greg Anderson]

Wait! Diana and Nemesis are breaking up?! Why?! :frown:

[Falconen]

Wait! Diana and Nemesis are breaking up?! Why?! :frown:

According to Diana, she never loved him. Not sure if she is pushing him away, so he wont get hurt from being associated with her or what. We shall see. I don't see her being that heartless though. On the battlefield... yes. With matters of the heart... no.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I'm not convinced the Tom/Diana romance is over yet, but I'm not convinced that Tom Tresser will ever be able to overcome the Steve Trevor clone factor that made the Trevor Barnes romance so lame.

I think Perez really screwed the pooch by torpedoing the Steve Trevor character from the start by first making him twice her age, then marrying him off to Etta Candy just to salt the Earth so no future creator could possibly reverse it. All because Perez felt Diana should be so pure and perfect that no man would ever be good enough for her, which further compounded the problem of WW's inability to attract a large readership.

I mean, if John Byrne had made Lois Lane a middle-aged woman and married her off to Jimmy Olsen, do you really think that would have made Superman a better, more interesting character that appealed to more readers?

DC had a perfect opportunity to reverse this decision and reintroduce the Steve/Diana romance but they botched it out of fear of offending the fans of Perez's run, who are pretty much the only fans Wonder Woman has left now. I appreciate that Perez's run is the best the character has ever sold in decades and those early issues are easily my favorite WW stories, but it wasn't perfect and has creatively crippled the comic for decades now.

[Constantine Drakon]

WW's inability to attract a large readership.


I don't think that's really Perez's fault. I'd say it has more to do with some of Marston's concepts being difficult to update, and even more to do with Kanigher's two decades of Wonder-Tot, Mer-Boy/Bird-Boy, and Steve often being a "hilariously" bad boyfriend (culminating with Steve being killed off a couple times because nobody could figure out what to do with him). I have a hard time believing Wonder Woman's readership had been greatly decreased by marrying Steve off to Etta. If anything, Perez's innovations have led to an increase in the readership, it's just that not all the writers that succeeded him knew how to use what he'd left behind. But I kind of doubt Jimenez would have been much better at writing "the other Trevor."

I agree that Perez set out to salt the Earth in regards to the Diana/Steve relationship. And I think it was one of the best things he did. I don't believe it was done because Perez felt "no man was good enough for her". I believe it was done because he gave serious thought to the message being sent by having Wonder Woman fall madly in love with the first male she's ever seen. I think he looked at the way the romance had been handled by previous writers, how Diana often ended up being depicted and defined in those stories. I think he decided something drastic was needed. And I think he was right. Heck, I'd like to shake his hand for it.

If John Byrne had married off Lois Lane, it wouldn't have made Superman a better character, no. But we're talking apples and oranges. Wonder Woman is not Superman, and her situation (and relationship with Trevor) is very different from Superman's. If Batman had stuck with Julie Madison from the Golden Age onward, eventually marrying her, would he be a better character? Every dynamic between a couple is different.

We've gotten some bad relationships since then. True. And that's unfortunate. But there's no shortage of characters that had several badly written relationships before writers found one that clicked. Wonder Woman's just going through the process much later than her peers because for so long she was tied down to the first man she ever met (with "these two are destined for one another" built right into the origin, making it even harder for writers to explore other romantic options for her).

[KYLeo71]

Perez's treatment of Steve Trevor was one of the things I hated most about the reboot (in addition to the loss of Diana Prince). When I think of Wonder Woman, I think of the costume, the Amazon nation, Paradise Island, the lasso, the bracelets, Diana Prince, the invisible plane, and Steve Trevor and he got rid of most of her better known aspects. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed his run (in fact, I left comics all-together towards the very end of it or shortly after his departure), but I would've much more enjoyed it if he'd included the classic elements of the character.

[WorstThingUS]

I think Perez really screwed the pooch by torpedoing the Steve Trevor character from the start by first making him twice her age, then marrying him off to Etta Candy just to salt the Earth so no future creator could possibly reverse it. All because Perez felt Diana should be so pure and perfect that no man would ever be good enough for her,


And here I thought it was because they were trying to avoid the "Lois Lane" syndrome by taking away the person "everyone knew" she had to end up with so they could do things like explore romantic storylines.

which further compounded the problem of WW's inability to attract a large readership.

I sincerely doubt a anyone anywhere looked at WW, saw she wasn't and couldn't date Steve Trevor and decided the book wasn't for them. Given how much of WW's creation is based in male fantasy fulfillment, it should have actually increased interest. Diana's real problem now is we all think she's too good for just anyone. Like a protective father, we only want the best, which is why the first person they had her be interested in was Superman and recently we saw Batman. Trevor Barnes had to die he was so unworthy.

And I'm still back on Catman for a villains love interest. DC just doesn't seem to have too many "noble" bad guys. Given how he's protective of nature, a fierce warrior and rocking the Batman vibe these days, it'd make sense she'd be a little attracted to him. The only problem is it's almost become a running joke how he's see as an "ideal male" from everyone from Chesire to Vandal Savage.

[dumbstruck]

How exactly did they chicken out with Batwoman?


DC heavily promoted her as a lesbian superhero, but other than the one page tryst with Renee Montoya in 52 (?), they've not touched on it all. Including cancelling the planned mini that already had completed issues in the can.

[Sandy Hausler]

Maybe this would be DC's second attempt at the lesbian superhero, since they chickened out with Batwoman.

Batwoman is NOT a lesbian? Hallelujah!

(I'd still like her if she were, but I hate dramatic changes to old characters, even though it isn't really the same character.)

Sandy Hausler

[Sandy Hausler]

They chickened out when they canceled her ongoing series, two years ago, with two issues completed but unpublished, art and all.

She had an ongoing series? Uh, exactly when was that? I remember her appearing in 52, but nothing else.

Sandy Hausler

[WorstThingUS]

Batwoman is NOT a lesbian? Hallelujah!

(I'd still like her if she were, but I hate dramatic changes to old characters, even though it isn't really the same character.)

Sandy Hausler

So you're not down with the Jewish Latina angle either I take it?

[Flâneur]

Batwoman is NOT a lesbian? Hallelujah!

(I'd still like her if she were, but I hate dramatic changes to old characters, even though it isn't really the same character.)

Sandy Hausler

No. Batwoman is still a lesbian, it was her series they chickened out on. Your exuberance at the possibility that a newly introduced character might not be gay is ... interesting however. Oh, well.

[carabas]

She had an ongoing series? Uh, exactly when was that? I remember her appearing in 52, but nothing else.She had an ongoing series planned (and not a mini like Dumbstruck said), with two issues completely in the can. DC chickened out and didn't publish it. It was just after Final Crisis, before her last-minute inclusion into '52'.

[K-DoG7p7]

I could see that too.

Connor's pre-amnesia world-view would match up well with Diana's in many places.

yes.. and HE shares a lot of the same interests as Powergirl but is kinda her opposite


kinda funny how a guy like Connor Hawke would fit so well with Wonder Woman and Power Girl

[K-DoG7p7]

She had an ongoing series planned (and not a mini like Dumbstruck said), with two issues completely in the can. DC chickened out and didn't publish it. It was just after Final Crisis, before her last-minute inclusion into '52'.

INFINITE Crisis.. Final crisis just now ended..

[dumbstruck]

She had an ongoing series planned (and not a mini like Dumbstruck said), with two issues completely in the can. DC chickened out and didn't publish it. It was just after Final Crisis, before her last-minute inclusion into '52'.


Meh. I thought it was a mini. Moot point though, whatever it was was still cancelled before it was even given a chance.

[AllisterH]

I sincerely doubt a anyone anywhere looked at WW, saw she wasn't and couldn't date Steve Trevor and decided the book wasn't for them. Given how much of WW's creation is based in male fantasy fulfillment, it should have actually increased interest. Diana's real problem now is we all think she's too good for just anyone. Like a protective father, we only want the best, which is why the first person they had her be interested in was Superman and recently we saw Batman. Trevor Barnes had to die he was so unworthy.

.

Well, they (DC) kinda reinforced the notion that WW was perfect and thus, she needed a perfect man and the closest in the DCU is either Batman or Superman...

What I think they forgot was that in relationships, both Clark and Bruce are not always right and many times do dickish things where the reader can sympathise with the SO.

Until actually the last issue of WW, WW has always been presented in a light where she always comes off as the "in the right"...It will be interesting to see whether or not Gail has Diana realizing to herself "Wait, I really do have the hots for Tom" and then trying to prove herself to Tom.

[Sandy Hausler]

So you're not down with the Jewish Latina angle either I take it?

I didn't even know about it. But frankly, that does not bother me as much. Although the original Kathy Kane seemed as white bread as can be, the fact is we knew little about her religious or national background. We DID know that she was hot for the Bat, though.

But again, I recognize that the new Batwoman is not the same character. But I liked the original, so I'm a little protective.

Sandy Hausler

[Sandy Hausler]

No. Batwoman is still a lesbian, it was her series they chickened out on. Your exuberance at the possibility that a newly introduced character might not be gay is ... interesting however. Oh, well.


You obviously didn't read the second line of my message. I don't like any kind of these kind of major changes to characters. For instance, I don't like that Bucky is alive in the Marvel Universe, though I enjoy Captain America. It's not a homophobia thing. I have no problem with Rene Montoya (the new Question) being gay. In short, it's less interesting than you think.

Sandy Hausler

[Sandy Hausler]

She had an ongoing series planned (and not a mini like Dumbstruck said), with two issues completely in the can. DC chickened out and didn't publish it. It was just after Final Crisis, before her last-minute inclusion into '52'.


I assume you mean Identity (or was it Infinite) Crisis. Final Crisis came out AFTER 52 (at least I think it did -- I tend to block out anything about those big DC "events").

Sandy Hausler

[K-DoG7p7]

So you're not down with the Jewish Latina angle either I take it?

Jewish Latina?

Kane is Jewish but not Latina..
Montoya is Latina but not Jewish...

Sooo.. as a couple.. they are Jewish Latina! YAY!

[choptop]

iv got to say batman and WW wold be cool.

[carabas]

You obviously didn't read the second line of my message. I don't like any kind of these kind of major changes to characters. For instance, I don't like that Bucky is alive in the Marvel Universe, though I enjoy Captain America. It's not a homophobia thing. I have no problem with Rene Montoya (the new Question) being gay. In short, it's less interesting than you think.
I'm confused. The completely new Batwoman can't be gay, but the equally new Question can? Especially when Kate is completely brandnew while Renee was around for years without displaying any signs of gayness.

I assume you mean Identity (or was it Infinite) Crisis. Final Crisis came out AFTER 52 (at least I think it did -- I tend to block out anything about those big DC "events").Eh, yes. Right after Infinite Crisis.

[ScottyQuick]

You obviously didn't read the second line of my message. I don't like any kind of these kind of major changes to characters. For instance, I don't like that Bucky is alive in the Marvel Universe, though I enjoy Captain America. It's not a homophobia thing. I have no problem with Rene Montoya (the new Question) being gay. In short, it's less interesting than you think.

Sandy Hausler

But she's a new character.

[Sandy Hausler]

I'm confused. The completely new Batwoman can't be gay, but the equally new Question can? Especially when Kate is completely brandnew while Renee was around for years without displaying any signs of gayness.

Eh, yes. Right after Infinite Crisis.

Katherine (Kathy) Kane was the original Batwoman.

Katherine (Kate) Kane is the new Batwoman.

I don't consider her a completely new character.

Montoya is a legacy character, taking over for the original. Different thing.

But you're right, I should consider the "new" Batwoman to be new. OK, she can be gay.:biggrin:

Sandy Hausler

[K-DoG7p7]

Katherine (Kathy) Kane was the original Batwoman.

Katherine (Kate) Kane is the new Batwoman.

I don't consider her a completely new character.

Montoya is a legacy character, taking over for the original. Different thing.

But you're right, I should consider the "new" Batwoman to be new. OK, she can be gay.:biggrin:

Sandy Hausler
It was never established that Kathy Kane's first name was Katherine..
and not that long ago.. Kathy Kane was mentioned (one of Bruces former girlfriends) so there might still be a Kathy Kane around.. cousin? sister?

[galactica]

DC heavily promoted her as a lesbian superhero, but other than the one page tryst with Renee Montoya in 52 (?), they've not touched on it all. Including cancelling the planned mini that already had completed issues in the can.

DC did not heavily promote the new Batwoman. It was a story by the NYTimes that started everything off. It took way too long to come out but it wasn't like DC solicited the issues and was running ads and suddenly decide to hold off.

Also, maybe Grayson's issues were bad. I for will take a Rucka/Williams III Batwoman over just about any team up in comics.

[dumbstruck]

DC did not heavily promote the new Batwoman. It was a story by the NYTimes that started everything off. It took way too long to come out but it wasn't like DC solicited the issues and was running ads and suddenly decide to hold off.

Also, maybe Grayson's issues were bad. I for will take a Rucka/Williams III Batwoman over just about any team up in comics.


The fact she was a lesbian was a big deal when the character was announced. To the point that DC was providing quotes to the NY Times. That's some pretty heavy promotion to get publicity in a mainstream newspaper.

If the script was bad, I'm sure DC would have deep sixed it before it got to the art stage. And if there was a problem with the art, it would have been redone. I also seem to recall reading Didio quotes that the reason DC backed off was because Batwoman became all about being a lesbian in terms of expectations, as opposed to a new Batwoman who happened to be a lesbian. At the end of the day, DC did back off and all but dumped the lesbian aspect of the character. As I said, other than that scenario in 52, I can't recall that it's ever been so much as mentioned in any of her appearances since. If DC didn't chicken out of it, why has there been no mention of it? Considering her sexual orientation was big enough news to warrant an article in the NYT, and that there has not even been so much of a whisper about it in any of her appearances, I think it's a safe assumption that DC did indeed "chicken out".

[galactica]

The fact she was a lesbian was a big deal when the character was announced. To the point that DC was providing quotes to the NY Times. That's some pretty heavy promotion to get publicity in a mainstream newspaper.

They didn't seek promotion like Marvel is doing with Captain America #600, where they take a story to the newspaper. This was the NYT writing a story on their own and using quote from DC. I can write a story where I quote Geoff Johns but that doesn't mean Geoff Johns is heavily promoting anything.


If the script was bad, I'm sure DC would have deep sixed it before it got to the art stage. And if there was a problem with the art, it would have been redone. I also seem to recall reading Didio quotes that the reason DC backed off was because Batwoman became all about being a lesbian in terms of expectations, as opposed to a new Batwoman who happened to be a lesbian. At the end of the day, DC did back off and all but dumped the lesbian aspect of the character. As I said, other than that scenario in 52, I can't recall that it's ever been so much as mentioned in any of her appearances since. If DC didn't chicken out of it, why has there been no mention of it? Considering her sexual orientation was big enough news to warrant an article in the NYT, and that there has not even been so much of a whisper about it in any of her appearances, I think it's a safe assumption that DC did indeed "chicken out".

Isn't that how it should be? A crime fighter who happens to be lesbian?

[carabas]

Considering her sexual orientation was big enough news to warrant an article in the NYT, and that there has not even been so much of a whisper about it in any of her appearances, I think it's a safe assumption that DC did indeed "chicken out".No, she was still definitely gay in her last speaking appearance (Rucka's Crime Bible #3). They backed off for a while on the entire character, they did not back off on her sexuality.

[dumbstruck]

They didn't seek promotion like Marvel is doing with Captain America #600, where they take a story to the newspaper. This was the NYT writing a story on their own and using quote from DC. I can write a story where I quote Geoff Johns but that doesn't mean Geoff Johns is heavily promoting anything.

To-may-to, To-mah-to. The fact remains it served to provide major exposure for the then upcoming character. Whether DC actively sought that promotion or it was a byproduct, a story in a major metropolitan newspaper is still some pretty heavy promotion.


Isn't that how it should be? A crime fighter who happens to be lesbian?


Absolutely, that's how it should be. But there's no reason DC couldn't have moved forward with their plans for the character at the time, unless they were afraid of a backlash due to her sexual orientation.

[dumbstruck]

No, she was still definitely gay in her last speaking appearance (Rucka's Crime Bible #3). They backed off for a while on the entire character, they did not back off on her sexuality.

I know she was definately still gay. My point being there has been little to no mention of her sexuality, especially given Didio's "lipstick lesbian" quote.

[WorstThingUS]

DC did not heavily promote the new Batwoman. It was a story by the NYTimes that started everything off. It took way too long to come out but it wasn't like DC solicited the issues and was running ads and suddenly decide to hold off.

Also, maybe Grayson's issues were bad. I for will take a Rucka/Williams III Batwoman over just about any team up in comics.

If Devin Grayson wrote it, you know it was bad. We're probably all better off.

[Sandy Hausler]

The fact she was a lesbian was a big deal when the character was announced. To the point that DC was providing quotes to the NY Times. That's some pretty heavy promotion to get publicity in a mainstream newspaper.

If the script was bad, I'm sure DC would have deep sixed it before it got to the art stage. And if there was a problem with the art, it would have been redone. I also seem to recall reading Didio quotes that the reason DC backed off was because Batwoman became all about being a lesbian in terms of expectations, as opposed to a new Batwoman who happened to be a lesbian. At the end of the day, DC did back off and all but dumped the lesbian aspect of the character. As I said, other than that scenario in 52, I can't recall that it's ever been so much as mentioned in any of her appearances since. If DC didn't chicken out of it, why has there been no mention of it? Considering her sexual orientation was big enough news to warrant an article in the NYT, and that there has not even been so much of a whisper about it in any of her appearances, I think it's a safe assumption that DC did indeed "chicken out".

I guess we'll find out whether they dumped it when she starts appearing in Detective. Of course, sexual identity is only clear when there are sexual overtones in the story.

Sandy Hausler

[kingsyn]

Its was an awesome issue of WW, in general. The main fight was super cool.
Gail is awesome on this comic.
The Diana/Nemesis moment was kinda sad however. I mean her having no feelings for him and was only with him because of "mating". That was cold.
I mean, what was he to her then, a walking sperm bank?
Saying that, she did feel bad for it; but i think only because he found out.

Damn...
I hope it gets resolved or something! I feel pretty bad over it!!!! :frown:
(I'm a sucker for romance!! :redface: )

[ScottyQuick]

If Devin Grayson wrote it, you know it was bad. We're probably all better off.

Nonsense. Grayson is a great writer, have you ever read Gotham Knights or Titans or Catwoman?

[carabas]

I know she was definately still gay. My point being there has been little to no mention of her sexuality, especially given Didio's "lipstick lesbian" quote.
It shouldn'treally be a factor. People don't go on and on about Geo-Force's heterosexuality. Kate's not in a relationship, so logically, the subject shouldn't come up that often.

[carabas]

If Devin Grayson wrote it, you know it was bad. We're probably all better off.
She tended to be great, with a few unfortunate choices in her Nightwing run.
And it's not as if DC has a problem with publishing truely dire comics if there's no Bat-Lesbian in it.

[dumbstruck]

It shouldn'treally be a factor. People don't go on and on about Geo-Force's heterosexuality. Kate's not in a relationship, so logically, the subject shouldn't come up that often.


I agree, it shouldn't necessarily be a factor. I'm simply saying DC backed off on everything including the character herself. In the three years since she was introduced, we've seen her only a handful of times, with her sexuality not even being mentioned, which, considering it was a big deal when she was announced, I feel should have been touched on a little more. DC should be going out of its way to say it's not afraid of characters like this. To me, they've done everything to show that they are afraid.

[Vic Vega]

I agree, it shouldn't necessarily be a factor. I'm simply saying DC backed off on everything including the character herself. In the three years since she was introduced, we've seen her only a handful of times, with her sexuality not even being mentioned, which, considering it was a big deal when she was announced, I feel should have been touched on a little more. DC should be going out of its way to say it's not afraid of characters like this. To me, they've done everything to show that they are afraid.

I think its more of an issue of it being Rucka's baby. So other writer were loath to touch her.

A similar situation was Marvel's Mantis. For a very long time only the original writer ever used her.

[WorstThingUS]

Nonsense. Grayson is a great writer, have you ever read Gotham Knights or Titans or Catwoman?

Have you ever read her run on Nightwing!?! God. Awful.

She tended to be great


You mean the stuff Mark Waid wrote? Oops, I didn't mean to say that!

And aren't we supposed to be talking about a boyfriend for Diana? I'd say they look to the animated depiction of Steve Trevor as voiced by Nathan Fillion for an idea of what works. Any dude with Diana must be an ass-kicker in his own right. No one wants a "dude in distress." We don't even do that to female love interests anymore. Hell, without powers Clark would get his ass handed to him by Lois.

[carabas]

And aren't we supposed to be talking about a boyfriend for Diana? I'd say they look to the animated depiction of Steve Trevor as voiced by Nathan Fillion for an idea of what works.That was great, but was more due to Nathan Fillion than to Steve Trevor. Put that character in a monthly comic, and it'll be as dull as... a very, very dull thing.

[Vic Vega]

That was great, but was more due to Nathan Fillion than to Steve Trevor. Put that character in a monthly comic, and it'll be as dull as... a very, very dull thing.

Nobody cared about Steve Trevor in the Silver Age. It's one of the reasons why Perez made him a older mentor type.

I loved Nemisis before he became a Wonder Woman supporting character. Now he sucks.

I'd go with either Connor Hawke or Captain Atom (for the whole opposites attract thing).

At least that way she'd have a love interest that fans actually don't want to see die in a fire for once.:biggrin:

[Hawk_fan]

I'm a big fan of Perez's Wonder Woman, but the one thing I didn't like from his run was the aged Steve Trevor (and the relationship with Etta Candy). Steve Trevor will always be my pick as Diana's love interest.

[Constantine Drakon]

You mean the stuff Mark Waid wrote? Oops, I didn't mean to say that!

You did, and it was disgusting. You should be ashamed.