New Mutants (vol. 3) #2 Review Thread [Archive]

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 02:21 PM

New Mutants (vol. 3) #2

Briefest summary? Karma's psyche is trapped inside Legion's multiple personalities, and she's got to find a way out. Sam and Bobby have her prone body in a local bar, in the home of a missing mutant girl... Legion's sitting with Amara and Ilyana. Legion snaps to, realizes the people who tried to "fix" him back in the day are around, and seeks out the jailed Moonstar, after taking out a few innocent folks along the way. Sam and Berto are ditching the police to try and get to her first.

Alright, I'm of two minds on this book.

The bad, i.e. the grousing of a jaded audience:
It's a bit odd to think that through this whole comic, where the New Mutants are confronting Legion, that little is done to really explain how Legion's powers and multiple personalities worked, at one time. Every individual multiple personality in his head had its own individual superpower. For example, Jack Wayne (who makes an appearance this issue, in his mindscape) was a telekinetic. Jemail, the terrorist he once killed, and absorbed his psyche, seemed to show when he'd have telepathic ability. And Cyndi, the third of Legion's main personalities, was a pyrokinetic.

But in this, we're not told that. Karma's stuck in Legion's head, and his mind has apparently fractured, because there are a lot of people in there, with a lot of personalities. And so it would seem, a lot of different new flashy cool powers.

This backstory on Legion's powerset, or the sheer possibility of it, now, is left to be discerned from the story. And while I might like that, as a reader who's in the know, not everyone knows who Legion is. Kid's been dead since the Age of Apocalypse ended. The first time, I mean. 14 years ago, now. So there's been time for people to forget how David Haller rolls. Some exposition could have helped.

Another pro/con? The mechanism for who the dominant personality is might be a mystery they want to reveal... but they don't come out and say it. It's really... well... telegraphed, though. I'll go into it more in "the good".

Oh, Brazilians I hold in great esteem... well, one anyway, wanted me to point out for the "bad", that Sunspot is speaking Spanish, and not Portugese, the language native to Brazil, his home. Other writers have dropped the ball on this, but perhaps not two issues into a run. Zeb Wells, be careful. Brazilians are watching.

My last knock would be... well...the New Mutants don't get to do much all issue, except watch Legion tear up some innocent folks.

Now, the good (of which there are many redeeming things, despite that list of gripes):

The art makes great use of shadow, and the form of both Legion's mindscape, as well as the real world, really adds to the personality of the book. I really was digging this.

The device for which Legion's personalities gain control to "take the wheel" so to speak is laid pretty clear within the mindscape. Here's a hint: [/SPOIL]Karma had it was hers.[/SPOIL] The idea of a frightened child, even as an adult, as Legion has always been having a mechanism like that? Fascinating psychological study. I really like that choice.

As the fact that there are tons of new personalities in Legion's head, one with a stutter and a flight power. One a clown with some sort of a sonic scream. One named Drexel with... oh, you get the idea. Legion's dangerously nuts, and can pull any power he wants out of his crazy arse.

The atmosphere is so dark. Legion is scary to see, and portrayed as that wildly dangerous. It's even evident as Magma immediately wants Emma Frost called in as backup. The unpredicable nature and lethality of Legion becomes very clear, in one very sad moment where a secret gets exposed.

Sam and Bobby working as a duo are also left little to do, with Legion taking all the spotlight... but they do have a moment I give points for, when they want to know why the bartender would lock up a mutant like Shan... and the guy cites Cooperstown, Alaska, as the reason why he did what he did. And they're left without a retort. Nice continuity, and a moment where you understand that humanity is still given reasons to fear and hate mutants, all the time. And sometimes, excuses cannot be made for the unpredictable consequences of their existence. Liked that little touch.

Rating: I'll go 7/10. I like the good, but for people not in the know, seeing so much of Legion and being lost may have hurt the story.

ExodusCloak

06-03-2009, 02:27 PM

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 02:36 PM

I wouldn't say the lack of a Legion explanation is a con IMO. New Mutants 1 seemed like a continuity heavy book, there are a lot of small things a newer reader wouldn't pick up. Seems more like the audience this is aimed at are adept X-Men readers. I mean no new reader would recognize that cast anyway.

Would've liked to have seen it worked into at least a panel. Legion's scarier this way, because, well... "where's he getting all these powers from, anyhow?" might be the reaction of a neophyte reader... but the way the scenes in Legion's mindscape play out... it's so much easier knowing what's going on if you know anything about the character. Otherwise, I think someone not versed in him might get lost, and just see a girl on the run, and stuff blowing up.

Longtime readers can tell that, though, because... well, they've already said it's Legion. This could've been a mystery they slowly figured out, but now, even the cast has mostly solved the scoobarific mystery, right out of the gate.

MuhollandDriver

06-03-2009, 02:42 PM

Nahhh.....this was another phenomenal issue.

All new readers need to know is that Legion has a dissociated identity, and these fractured egos have each have a power of their own. That was clear enough in the story. i don't think the story needs a page or two of backstory exposition just yet.

The issue was pretty action driven, which is important for such an arc.

Zeb Wells has done an excellent job in creating an effective story. The scenes inside David's head are both sad and quite creepy.

Legion is humorous, tragic, and terrifying at once. Wells has nailed this to perfection. The entire usage of the doll is very interesting.

The last couple of pages were great. Legion truly creeps me out with his stalking dialogue.

The very last page had me grinning profusely, even tho i guessed who it'd be.

Kudos! This is becoming my favorite X-Title.

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 02:45 PM

All new readers need to know is that Legion has a dissociated identity, and these fractured egos have each have a power of their own. That was clear enough in the story. i don't think the story needs a page or two of backstory exposition just yet.
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I dunno, I was a little disappointed that the New Mutants themselves didn't do much but go "WTF?" for the whole issue, I suppose. All the "action", for the most part, is the struggle in Legion's head, and innocent people in his path getting slagged. The NM just chase him about.

More could be done than that, I'm left wanting to see it.

I do agree, though, Wells knows very well how to use Legion, to full effect, at least.

Hi-Fi

06-03-2009, 02:47 PM

I loved this issue, even though things are moving slowly. That last page with Dani was gorgeous.

And yeah, Roberto should speak portuguese, Zeb! Pay attention next time!

yanapryde

06-03-2009, 02:48 PM

MuhollandDriver

06-03-2009, 02:54 PM

Zeb Wells saved my love of the X-World with this series.

It was in dire danger due to our fraptionized flagship.

Yes.....Illyana's parents saw a pugnosed demon drag her off with their naked eyes.

yanapryde

06-03-2009, 02:56 PM

Zeb Wells saved my love of the X-World with this series.

It was in dire danger due to our fraptionized flagship.

Yes.....Illyana's parents saw a pugnosed demon drag her off with their naked eyes.

for real?
can you maybe clarify further?
pugnosed demon doesn't really ding dong my bell.

cookepuss

06-03-2009, 02:58 PM

What's funny is that I had almost the same reaction at Illyana's little "moment" in that issue.

At first, I was like, "What the f** is this b***h babbling about?" :biggrin:

Then, I was like, "Okay. She's apparently still pretty screwed up in the head and only sorta half there."

In that context, all is forgiven.

BTW, anybody notice that Jack made mention of Warlock, Rahne, & Doug? While I don't foresee them bringing in Wolfsbane any time soon, I wonder if Wells isn't already setting up Warlock & Cypher's return. We know that they're coming back so I sorta doubt that this is a simple allusion to past confrontations.

Awesome issue overall. Considering that last issue was 48 pages, I was bummed by the quick read.

Another BTW.... Anybody else here read Invincible? That Sam/Berto flying moment was totally a Kirkman thing. It happened multiple times with Mark & his best friend William. I laughed my @$$ off when I remembered that. (Something about it also made me think of Scrubs too. :p)

MuhollandDriver

06-03-2009, 02:59 PM

In other words......

i am grateful to Zeb Wells for this series. In an era of fraptions, tantric sex, porno faces, Xavier memoirs, and Stryfe....Wells has given me an X-series that, so far, i completely love.

He can do what he wants. Regardless of what happened in 1984, i'm going with Wells!

i loved the references to Doug, Warlock, Wolfsbane, and Dani.

Priceless.

The Black Guardian

06-03-2009, 03:00 PM

I can see both sides regarding Legion. I think it's fairly easy, even for a new reader, to understand about his dissociative identity. However, I think there could have been more mentioned about his significance.

Still, the story has already come across as more compelling than anything else recently being done in the X-World, imo. Sadly, this includes Carey's work. Zeb's setting the bar higher, which surprises me because I haven't enjoyed his past work. You've won me over, Zeb. Keep it up! :smile:

The thing Yana said about her parents crying bugged me too, because they never knew about her demonic ordeals.

MuhollandDriver

06-03-2009, 03:02 PM

Yep.

Right now.....regardless of the Legion backstory controversy...this is the best X-Story going on.

Hope, Stryfe, Messiah Warriors...get your turds in even rows.

Alphaxman

06-03-2009, 03:05 PM

I have 2 criticisms.

But first I'll say that I love the New Mutants. The story is great. I love the characters and I can't wait for issue 3 already. That last page was gold.
I loved that Karma got all kicky and elbowy with her adversaries! She gave 'em the business and I'm so jazzed about it.

Now. On to my 2 beefs.
Beef number ONE: I must agree that some exposition explaining Legion's abilities and/or significance to the group would have been helpful to the readers who are unfamiliar. Being not of that group however, I'm not really that upset about it but it would be nice for the noobs.

And my second gripe is for obvious reasons. I'm on the Illyana express on my way into Magik town where I hope to join the Rasputin society.....well ....I'm a fan.
HUGE. FAN.
Illyana says something (one of her very few lines in the entire issue) while Marci's mother is ranting about her daughter being inside Legion's body.
She says:
"She cries as my mother did, when the demons came for me."

So...am I alone in having a WTF moment here?
I plead to Neils and Mullholland and SayOcean and the other Yana fans out there to validate my confusion. Illyana's mother/parents never KNEW about Illyana's abduction to Limbo did she/they?

Yeah, that did throw me for a loop when I read it, but overall I really liked this issue and Wells has a nice handle on the characters. He could be a little better but miles better than Fraction.

The other thing that would stop me from giving it a 10 would be ‘Berto’s coloring (he was more red than brown) and the non use of his powers. He doesn’t need Sam to fly, he can do that on his own.

I don’t see the big deal about Legion. He’s name says it all, even more so then before. The doll must represent the part in his brain that controls his body and when a new “personality” holds it, a new power is seen.

yanapryde

06-03-2009, 03:06 PM

Yep.

Right now.....regardless of the Legion backstory controversy...this is the best X-Story going on.

Hope, Stryfe, Messiah Warriors...get your turds in even rows.

Well I certainly can't argue that.
I'm so over red-head-centric storylines. Don't get me wrong, Yost and Kyle are still seated in my comic-gods parthenon but Wells just made my DUO a TRIFECTA. New Mutants FTW!!

YIP YIP!

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 03:08 PM

The other thing that would stop me from giving it a 10 would be ‘Berto’s coloring (he was more red than brown) and the non use of his powers. He doesn’t need Sam to fly, he can do that on his own.

Ah damn, knew I was forgetting to mention something. Yeah, unless the explanation is that Sam's a much faster flier than Sunspot, I had no idea what the hell he had to have Cannonball carry him over the threshhold was all about.

yanapryde

06-03-2009, 03:09 PM

Yeah, that did throw me for a loop when I read it, but overall I really liked this issue and Wells has a nice handle on the characters. He could be a little better but miles better than Fraction.

The other thing that would stop me from giving it a 10 would be ‘Berto’s coloring (he was more red than brown) and the non use of his powers. He doesn’t need Sam to fly, he can do that on his own.

I don’t see the big deal about Legion. He’s name says it all, even more so then before. The doll must represent the part in his brain that controls his body and when a new “personality” holds it, a new power is seen.

I was puzzled about the 'shared' escape with Roberto and Sam as well.
But given the boom-i-ness of their exit....I'm guessing speed was key and Sam's name is friggin Cannonball after all. I'm still confident that Roberto will fly through the air with the greatest of ease....but at that moment, Sam's power vacilitated a swift departure with the necessary 'protection' in case gun fire were to occur.:smile:

darknessatnoon

06-03-2009, 03:10 PM

Obviously, the Reignfire crap is being ignored.

It's funny watching all of you trying to praise an issue you didn't enjoy.

Please continue.

The Black Guardian

06-03-2009, 03:14 PM

It's even funnier watching you comment on a book you care nothing about.

It's very well-written. There's just some nitpicks.

Hi-Fi

06-03-2009, 03:16 PM

Berto obviously prefers hopping on the Cannonball Express than flying solo. No surprise there.

yanapryde

06-03-2009, 03:16 PM

It's even funnier watching you comment on a book you care nothing about.

It's very well-written. There's just some nitpicks.

Yes:frown: . You're such a pooper.

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 03:17 PM

Berto obviously prefers hopping on the Cannonball Express than flying solo. No surprise there.

Sunspot and Iceman could fight for the right to be carried over the threshhold by Sam.

Nevets F

06-03-2009, 03:19 PM

Bobby flying had nothing to do with Reignfire...he gained the ability before and used it long after Reignfire.

Overall, great great issue.

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 03:25 PM

Bobby flying had nothing to do with Reignfire...he gained the ability before and used it long after Reignfire.

Overall, great great issue.
Wasn't it that Gideon's people at the Damocles Project experimented on him, amping his powers so he could fly, but used samples of his DNA to make Reignfire with another guy?

timbox

06-03-2009, 03:31 PM

I have never read Legion before but was able to understand what was going on. I am smarter than most of you, though.

RoguishGurl

06-03-2009, 03:39 PM

I enjoyed this issue. My favorite page was definitely the last page. Dani looked fierce.

I have never read Legion before but was able to understand what was going on. I am smarter than most of you, though.
How humble of you.

darknessatnoon

06-03-2009, 03:40 PM

Bobby flying had nothing to do with Reignfire...he gained the ability before and used it long after Reignfire.

Overall, great great issue.

LOL

Either way, they're skipping that nonsense.

darknessatnoon

06-03-2009, 03:41 PM

It's even funnier watching you comment on a book you care nothing about.

It's very well-written. There's just some nitpicks.

Oh, I enjoyed the book. I just don't have the same nitpicking reticence you folks do.

Javier.

06-03-2009, 03:43 PM

I liked the issue. I actually don't know much about Legion (if anything) but I wasn't confused by how his powers worked in this issue. I was liking the scenes with Karma inside his head. It was nice to see her get a big role this issue.
Man it felt like the issue went by quickly...I want issue three now lol. I can't wait for the next issue. Dani's going to whoop some ass.

Hi-Fi

06-03-2009, 03:45 PM

Oh, I enjoyed the book. I just don't have the same nitpicking reticence you folks do.
NOW LISTEN HERE.

He should have talked sweet portuguese!!

(I don't really care about the other mistakes)

darknessatnoon

06-03-2009, 03:48 PM

NOW LISTEN HERE.

He should have talked sweet portuguese!!

(I don't really care about the other mistakes)

Are you saying that he doesn't know Spanish? Wow, he's dumber than I thought.

Hi-Fi

06-03-2009, 03:57 PM

Are you saying that he doesn't know Spanish? Wow, he's dumber than I thought.
Do not cross me or I'll curse you in four different languages.

timbox

06-03-2009, 03:57 PM

Do not cross me or I'll curse you in four different languages.

Curse me in four different languages.

Azure

06-03-2009, 03:57 PM

Alphaxman

06-03-2009, 04:00 PM

Hay I love the book too, I just like to point thing out that could make it better. It was just minor things.

I just want to see Berto using all of his powers. When was the last time he did after he left X-Force? Even when he was on X-Force he barely used his super strength. I just want to see all of them use their powers to the fullest.

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 04:03 PM

Alphaxman

06-03-2009, 04:10 PM

He flew and used super-strength during Young X-Men, even.

But not his energy blasts.

darknessatnoon

06-03-2009, 04:53 PM

Home made ectoplasm

06-03-2009, 04:55 PM

I don't think Sunspot could fly in any Claremont comic I've ever read.

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 04:55 PM

Young X-Men and *shudder* X-Force are apocryphal. They don't count. Roberto can't fly. He can't fire energy blasts. It's ridiculous. Give those powers to Match and leave Sunspot with the limits he was created with. In the meantime, he can still grow as a character by growing the hell up by learning how to run a business and learning Portuguese.

Roberto's dad, Manny DaCosta will still be dead from poisoned coffee at the start of X-Men: Corrections, right? Will Sunspot end up flying and in the Hellfire Club in that?

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 04:56 PM

I don't think Sunspot could fly in any Claremont comic I've ever read.

Started around X-Force #15, I think. After his time.

Pixie_Solanas

06-03-2009, 04:56 PM

Young X-Men and *shudder* X-Force are apocryphal. They don't count. Roberto can't fly. He can't fire energy blasts. It's ridiculous. Give those powers to Match and leave Sunspot with the limits he was created with. In the meantime, he can still grow as a character by growing the hell up by learning how to run a business and learning Portuguese.

Did he hide away his official Hellfire breeches & cravat? Not cool

Started around X-Force #15, I think. After his time.

I hate flyers.

Prodigy55

06-03-2009, 05:08 PM

He rocked a bitchin 2 piece armor-bikini for a while, but I prefer his Hellfire Club outfit.

Nevets F

06-03-2009, 05:12 PM

I don't think Sunspot could fly in any Claremont comic I've ever read.

That doesn't mean much, Claremont hasn't written Sunspot all that much.

Bobby has flown for about double the amount of time he didn't fly.

Home made ectoplasm

06-03-2009, 05:13 PM

That doesn't mean much, Claremont hasn't written Sunspot all that much.

Bobby has flown for about double the amount of time he didn't fly.

It may not mean much to you, but it does to me!!!

coconutphone

06-03-2009, 05:28 PM

I loved it. I think they handled explanation of Legion just fine. It was clear what was going on and you don't need to spell it out.

The flying moment was beyond cute "What are you boys doing??"

I'd give it a solid 8.5-9 out of 10.

cookepuss

06-03-2009, 06:10 PM

Don't get me wrong, Yost and Kyle are still seated in my comic-gods parthenon
I find it kinda funny that you put it that way. Much like Morrison on New X-Men (v1), lots of readers absolutely hated Kyle & Yost at the beginning of their New X-Men (v2) run. Also like Morrison, by the end of their run, the work they did elevated them to a new level of fan respect and adoration.

As far as Legion's back story not being explained, what readers really need to know is already explained. Without going into the details, it's clear that:

- Legion is somebody who's mentally unstable.
- There personalities are each fighting for control (via the doll)
- Each personality controls some different power.
- A part of David (probably the kid by my guess) is fighting for normalcy
- He's got some history with the New Mutants
- Legion is pissed off

Besides, without explaining it, the name Legion should be a dead giveaway that he's got a dissociative disorder.

Everything else, the specifics is relatively minor. I can guarantee you that, when I was a kid, if a certain character excited me enough I'd try to hunt down as many of his/her appearances to get to know more about them. I think that if new readers are interested in learning more about Legion that they'll take it upon themselves to look it up.

The biggest mistake that Zeb could make would be to spoon feed the readers. As much as I like Mike Carey as a writer, that has been the one thing that has annoyed me most about his X-Men Legacy run. Too much hand holding.

Besides, jumping in head first makes it so that we get more action and story without such a space for a recap.

As a new reader, I might make some wrong assumptions about Legion - maybe that he was a former member or something. However, the fact that he's some mentally unstable Omega class mutant who has somehow survived M-Day makes him scary. The idea that he's facing a team who were once considered the "JV squad" makes him a credible threat. As a long time Marvel Zombie, knowing that he took on the entire X-Men and actually caused the Age of Apocalypse makes me somewhat terrified for the New Mutants.

As a new reader, you'll get an enjoyable story with a villain who can literally have just about any power and any disposition at a moment's notice. As a long time reader, you can dig in deeper and enjoy the character on a wholly different level.

I think that Wells is doing just fine. More than, actually.

If New Mutants keeps up this pace and quality, I can see it overtaking the #1 slot as my X-fave.

Leogam

06-03-2009, 06:32 PM

I thought Bishop killed Legion at the end of Age of Apocalypse, how is he back all of a sudden, another thing since his three previous personalities (Jack, Cindy, Jemail) entered heaven in Excalibur v.1, Im assuming his brain just created new split personalties to compensate for the old ones ?

Things I would like to see from the series
1) I would love to see is the return of Tran Coy Manh trying to gain control over Xian's body since she absorbed his psyche into her own killing his physical body in the process

2) Cypher revived somehow and his powers of understanding languages at a fast rate grow further into cyberpathy/technokinesis (maybe he could work at the homebase and provide info to the team on the field like how the C.I.A. works)

3) It would have been great if they created a team consisting of only the most interesting charachters from the New Mutants, Generation-X, Morrisson's New X-Men student body & New Mutants: Academy X v.2 on one team

yanapryde

06-03-2009, 06:44 PM

coconutphone

06-03-2009, 07:49 PM

The Lucky One

06-03-2009, 08:17 PM

I find it kinda funny that you put it that way. Much like Morrison on New X-Men (v1), lots of readers absolutely hated Kyle & Yost at the beginning of their New X-Men (v2) run. Also like Morrison, by the end of their run, the work they did elevated them to a new level of fan respect and adoration.

Heh. Guess I should have kept reading after the first 8 issues or so, but it just wasn't doing it. Maybe it got better later. :smile:

As far as this issue, I enjoyed it, although it definitely felt short after last issue, and the Muties themselves didn't get to do too much. Still, I loved the references to past continuity- you don't have to have read the original Legion story to enjoy the issue, but the stuff about the "wolf and the squaw, the robot and the g-g-geek" was great. Although I didn't understand why Jack Wayne referred to Doug as "the autistic friend." Hint of things to come?

(In the same vein, anyone else get the sense that one of Legion's personalities might end up reanimating Doug?)

Interesting that so many more of David's personalities have come to the forefront. Back in the day there were hints about additional personalities, but we never saw any beyond Jack, Jemail, and Cyndi, unless I'm mistaken. Now they're truly legion... makes you wonder if Jack Wayne actually intends letting them all coexist, or if he's just using the others but plans to steal permanent control of the "doll." For that matter, are Jemail and Cyndi truly gone for good? If so, it might explain how Jack has come to gain so much influence.

I also liked how, even though Zeb's holding fast to Legion's "every personality has a different power" motif, most of them can be interpreted as different applications of his psychic powers. Super-strength, flight, those can both be accomplished through telekinesis, as could that energy blast; even the shifting blade-arm could theoretically be Legion unconsciously rearranging the molecules in his own arm. Who knows if that'll keep up, but since his powers were traditionally psychic in nature, I like that most of them could still be manifestations of different aspects of that.

Another damn month until next issue. *sigh*

-D

MuhollandDriver

06-03-2009, 08:32 PM

Was the "What are You boys doing?" part referring to Sam hating to use his powers like that in public....or having to pick up another man?

Subtle homophobia is so unclaremontian.

Aguja

06-03-2009, 08:39 PM

Was the "What are You boys doing?" part referring to Sam hating to use his powers like that in public....or having to pick up another man?

Subtle homophobia is so unclaremontian.

I doubt it was homophobia. Sam & Berto have at the very least traded handjobs/blowjobs in the early days. A piggy back ride is nothing.

MuhollandDriver

06-03-2009, 08:41 PM

I doubt it was homophobia. Sam & Berto have at the very least traded handjobs/blowjobs in the early days. A piggy back ride is nothing.

bwahhh!

i honestly interpreted that as just them not wanting to cause a big splashy mutant scene with their powers.

Volk1

06-03-2009, 08:48 PM

Hey everybody let's mention the fact that KARMA kicked absolute booty this issue!! She was so ever the heroine helping little Marci, it was so sweet. :redface:

And I'm one of the dudes out there in the world who also need more AMARA. Didn't get to do too much today. Mo' Magma Mr. Wellz! :biggrin:

And I really missed alot of Yana's creepiness from issue 1, meaning I like creepy Yana. Her one line was awesome though but it also reminded me of how sad her life is/was/has become. I like being entertained by her darkness but on the flip side, i feel for her because she's been through a lot. :frown:

NEVES' art was spectacular. Moonstar looked vicious! (in a good way)

Was the "What are You boys doing?" part referring to Sam hating to use his powers like that in public....or having to pick up another man?

Subtle homophobia is so unclaremontian.

Best sequence of the issue!

SAM: Hate doing this in front of people.

ROBERTO: HUP! Yeah, but what are you going to do?

LOL They are so tight with each other that they don't care how they look or act in front of some small-town regular Joe's. And that's the way it should be.

I love the fact that it sounds like they do it all the time, lol. I love Berto's "HUP!"

Check out the splash page though, looks like Berto's shedding tears! :frown:

MuhollandDriver

06-03-2009, 08:58 PM

If that was about being embarrassed being two men flying together, then yes, they did care. They even stated as such.

As for Illyana not getting enough lines this issue....she shone last issue. No worries....she is going to shine throughout this series. Zeb has got her down. Other characters needed some space this issue.

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 09:04 PM

Just realized... by Roberto staying close to Cannonball... Sam can extend his blast field over another person, provided they're pretty close, right? Maybe Roberto did that to get cover from incoming bullets.

MuhollandDriver

06-03-2009, 09:24 PM

If Cypher and Warlock get some touching scenes i will be quite the happy camper.

Heck...throw Illyana in there. She loved those boys also.

worstblogever

06-03-2009, 09:25 PM

If Cypher and Warlock get some touching scenes i will be quite the happy camper.

Heck...throw Illyana in there. She loved those boys also.

It would be interesting to see if the redemption of Ilyana's soul happens slowly, through her love for her friends.

The Lucky One

06-03-2009, 09:30 PM

LOL They are so tight with each other that they don't care how they look or act in front of some small-town regular Joe's. And that's the way it should be.

Sam and Bobby were JD and Turk before JD and Turk were.

"'Our kids'? Turk, we're not married."
"Dude, we are a little."
"I know, and I love it."

:biggrin:

-D

MuhollandDriver

06-03-2009, 09:48 PM

It would be interesting to see if the redemption of Ilyana's soul happens slowly, through her love for her friends.

Eh....this is the world of comics.

Just like with Wolverine.....it will be ebb and flow.

Heck...like life!

coconutphone

06-03-2009, 09:53 PM

The hating to do this in front of pothers was about using his powers so publicly and close to civilians (especially while not in costume). It was a cute moment and showed how close they are

*Rudy: But not in a homosexual way*

It was important to really dive into Legion's head (literally) and give the necessary background explaining how Dani & Shan got called there in the first place since the locals were keeping mum so I don't mind getting a little light with the other NMs.

The Black Guardian

06-03-2009, 09:53 PM

Was the "What are You boys doing?" part referring to Sam hating to use his powers like that in public....or having to pick up another man?

Subtle homophobia is so unclaremontian.
Don't think it was homophobia. In the circumstance, it would be bizarre to see anyone leap into another person's arms. Unless you're in a sitcom, it's not a typical reaction to being arrested by cops.

SayOcean

06-03-2009, 09:58 PM

I have never read Legion before but was able to understand what was going on. I am smarter than most of you, though.lol that is was hilarious

I have 2 criticisms.

But first I'll say that I love the New Mutants. The story is great. I love the characters and I can't wait for issue 3 already. That last page was gold.
I loved that Karma got all kicky and elbowy with her adversaries! She gave 'em the business and I'm so jazzed about it.

Now. On to my 2 beefs.
Beef number ONE: I must agree that some exposition explaining Legion's abilities and/or significance to the group would have been helpful to the readers who are unfamiliar. Being not of that group however, I'm not really that upset about it but it would be nice for the noobs.

And my second gripe is for obvious reasons. I'm on the Illyana express on my way into Magik town where I hope to join the Rasputin society.....well ....I'm a fan.
HUGE. FAN.
Illyana says something (one of her very few lines in the entire issue) while Marci's mother is ranting about her daughter being inside Legion's body.
She says:
"She cries as my mother did, when the demons came for me."

So...am I alone in having a WTF moment here?
I plead to Neils and Mullholland and SayOcean and the other Yana fans out there to validate my confusion. Illyana's mother/parents never KNEW about Illyana's abduction to Limbo did she/they?I didnt think they did, but Mullholland said they do....I guess they do

I was on board from the beginning with Yost and Kyle. I welcomed and supported the slaughter that was left in their wake.

And yes, I hope to see New Mutants surpass the rest as the top X book of many fans.

They did.
Cannonball, Sunspot, Magma, Dani Moonstar, Karma and Magik. See? Perfect.:smile:lol i love this post as well

darkness is just mad that Magik beat up his girl Pixie....such a shame to see hating ruin a normally nice poster

KrullWall

06-03-2009, 10:02 PM

I loved how the whole issue took place in Legion's head and it was still really good. It wasn't like one of those horrible 90's physic fights that Xavier and Jean always used to have. God those were boring

Volk1

06-03-2009, 10:03 PM

Sam and Bobby were JD and Turk before JD and Turk were.

"'Our kids'? Turk, we're not married."
"Dude, we are a little."
"I know, and I love it."

:biggrin:

-D

lol. Never watched Scrubs too much but watched enough to understand. :smile:

One thing's for sure, Wells truly hits home with the 'Berto/Sam friendship.

XaviersMisprint

06-03-2009, 10:30 PM

People don't seem to be mentioning much about MY GIRL KARMA.

This was a big deal for her. This is the most page time she has ever been given since... since she was created, I believe! Legion was the star of the issue, but she came second. It might not be a huge character-changing issue for her, but she got a lot of focus and single handedly fought off the demons in Legion's head.

Thats right, Karma's in tha house now, bitches.

MuhollandDriver

06-03-2009, 10:32 PM

Karma was wonderful in this issue. Hands down!

Anyone else happy that her old power signature is back? Much better than the random psionic energy glow.

Who is this Rudy person and what's his beef with homoseshual waysies.

Dagger

06-04-2009, 06:09 AM

I'm hoping Zeb makes characters like Amara more fan friendly, because I've always wanted her to be my favorite, but her lack of real character moments has been an ongoing problem for her. I also hope that he finds creative things to do with her powers. I don't see why people can write Storm effectively, but not Amara.

I loved this issue. Yeah, it's continuity heavy, but so is X-Force and X-Factor, and they have been the far superior books in the X-line for quite some time. The action does need to step up some, and the art didn't do it for me as much as it did last issue, but we better have a big blow out balls to the wall, all action issue real soon.

darknessatnoon

06-04-2009, 06:22 AM

Twisted Bliss

06-04-2009, 06:25 AM

The only way this team could be queerer is if shaved-head Rahne rejoined. You have one big mean old Amazon. A creepy girl witch. A Vietnamese lesbian. A Native American lesbian and two gay boys. It's fascinating.

I do not want Warlock and Doug coming back to ruin this team with their 'I'm in love with a toaster oven' silliness.

Hey!

That's offensive to all the light switch licking addicts out there ! (Sorry wolvie)

darknessatnoon

06-04-2009, 06:26 AM

Hey!

That's offensive to all the light switch licking addicts out there ! (Sorry wolvie)

Hush. You're the legal expert. Should Empath be prosecuted for making Amara/Alison Crestmere feel like she's a heterosexual?

Twisted Bliss

06-04-2009, 06:30 AM

Hush. You're the legal expert. Should Empath be prosecuted for making Amara/Alison Crestmere feel like she's a heterosexual?

Totally. In fact I'd go so far as to say she'd be well within her rights to kill him. Its not a stretch to say that she'd get manslaughter under the UK criminal law as opposed to Murder. She'd be able to avail herself of the battered housewife's rule - a continued physical; emotional; or mental abuse leading to her taking matters to the extreme.

coconutphone

06-04-2009, 06:53 AM

The only way this team could be queerer is if shaved-head Rahne rejoined. You have one big mean old Amazon. A creepy girl witch. A Vietnamese lesbian. A Native American lesbian and two gay boys. It's fascinating.

I do not want Warlock and Doug coming back to ruin this team with their 'I'm in love with a toaster oven' silliness.

You're opinion is meaningless to me now.

Doug & Warlock were two of the biggest pluses in the original book and Rahne has ALWAYS been the worst thing in ANY book she's been in. Moody and judgmental bitch.

SugarMan

06-04-2009, 07:43 AM

This issue was somewhat of a letdown for me. Had to wait a month for it, and I get nothing but another month's wait for some New Mutant action. I need to see at least one New Mutant using their power (Karma being stuck with Legion doesn't count). Why Illyanna is looking so clueless this issue I'm not sure. She's the one that's supposed to have the most knowledge about what's going on. You would think she would be a little more prepared, or have a soul sword handy or someghing. It's too bad both parents had to be killed, so I guess the X-Men will have another ward? The best thing this issue was Dani Moonstar at the end, ready to kick some ass, powers or not! Next issue better be all-out action, New Mutants style.

AcesX1X

06-04-2009, 07:49 AM

warlock is my favorite new mutant..

SugarMan

06-04-2009, 07:50 AM

warlock is my favorite new mutant..

Warlock has been over in Nova, but I haven't had a chance to read it. I wonder how adult New Mutants would react to Warlock now. He really was dangerous to have around.

darknessatnoon

06-04-2009, 08:13 AM

You're opinion is meaningless to me now.

Doug & Warlock were two of the biggest pluses in the original book and Rahne has ALWAYS been the worst thing in ANY book she's been in. Moody and judgmental bitch.

Look, I hate Rahne as much as the next guy. I'm just saying she's the only thing that could queer this joint up more than it already is. And, I'm sorry, but the Team Supreme was a bore. Stay dead, "Douglock."

yanapryde

06-04-2009, 09:01 AM

Love:
Karma maintaining contact with the others, all the while dealing with a friggin army of psychopaths inside Legion's mind.
And the chick does NOT respond well to threats. "You don't know me..."
SNAP-CRACK-POP-KICK-ELBOW-KICK

You USE that hand-to-hand Karma!! Woot Woot! Tough as nails, that one!

I'm totally okay with Mr. and Mrs. Marci not surviving. That just adds to the reality of the danger Legion represents if he is left unattended.

And of course, again, I'll say that I loved the sequence that takes place on the final two pages. The set up...the build up....and the 'reveal' was fantastic! Dani Moonstar is walking-sex, rolling up her sleeve like the scrapper she is.

Justifications:
Sam and Bobby did the dual escape to take advantage of Sam's blasting field. All those cops were pointing guns. Small hick town cops pointing guns = hair trigger-twitchy-red-necks. It was a good plan.

Illyana's odd statement about demons and her mom crying: I'm looking past this now. I only knit-pick because I love her and Zeb has done a great job with her in the first issue so I won't hang on something I don't understand, as it may be explained down the road.
But I do stand by my belief that Mama Rasputin wasn't present for Yana's abduction and it was never revealed that she ever knew about her daughter's demon upbringing.
But I'll file that away, under my ignore file, for the time being.
I love you that much Zeb Wells.

MuhollandDriver

06-04-2009, 09:01 AM

i adored the misadventures of a nerd and his tinker toy ET.

Douglock, however, should stay down the crapper.

Anon_me

06-04-2009, 09:29 AM

He rocked a bitchin 2 piece armor-bikini for a while, but I prefer his Hellfire Club outfit.

Where are the pics of Roberto's mankini?

yanapryde

06-04-2009, 09:32 AM

Where are the pics of Roberto's mankini?

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/f/fd/Sunspot_002.jpg

AcesX1X

06-04-2009, 09:45 AM

maybe something happened and sunspot can't project his energy anymore. maybe he burnt himself out and is only back to super-strength.

Dagger

06-04-2009, 09:54 AM

maybe something happened and sunspot can't project his energy anymore. maybe he burnt himself out and is only back to super-strength.
I'd be down for that. His adding all that other superfluous crap was just that. Crap. The same goes for making Sam's blasting field an offensive weapon.

Aguja

06-04-2009, 09:58 AM

I'd be down for that. His adding all that other superfluous crap was just that. Crap. The same goes for making Sam's blasting field an offensive weapon.

I agree. I liked Berto's powers simple. I thought he did lose his flight? It hasn't been seen in a long time so I think we can just forget it existed.

Dagger

06-04-2009, 10:01 AM

I agree. I liked Berto's powers simple. I thought he did lose his flight? It hasn't been seen in a long time so I think we can just forget it existed.
I guess he used it over in Young X-Men. Idk, I never read it after the first storyline.

Pixie_Solanas

06-04-2009, 10:13 AM

OK, am I just being overly harsh or was this issue a total full-on BORE?

Xian in a box, blah blah, little shapeshifting girl, blah blah fight scene legion voices, dead daddy. AND SCENE.

Dagger

06-04-2009, 10:14 AM

OK, am I just being overly harsh or was this issue a total full-on BORE?

Xian in a box, blah blah, little shapeshifting girl, blah blah fight scene legion voices, dead daddy. AND SCENE.
http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/w/wtf-12876.gif

NielsVanEekelen

06-04-2009, 10:14 AM

So whoever hold the doll controls the body? Clever.

About Legion:
I honestly think people are too hung up on exposition. The idea that everything needs to be explained for new readers is an obsession in comics. But really, what more do we need to know? David is a mutant with multiple personalities who the New Mutants helped once before. This we are told. What else is relevant? That his different personalities have different powers? That's clear from what happens, but will in all likelihood but further explained further on in the story arc.

Messiah Complex:
On that note, I thought the Cooperstown reference was terrific--you don't need to have read that story to get the gist, and it shows definite, clear fall-out from a big Event.
I like the townspeople on the whole, this issue--they may have done quite awful things, but they actually had believable reasons.

"As my mother did, when the demons came for me":

I plead to Neils and Mullholland and SayOcean and the other Yana fans out there to validate my confusion. Illyana's mother/parents never KNEW about Illyana's abduction to Limbo did she/they?

That line really bugs me too, as to the best of my obsessive knowledge, Mom and Dad Rasputin never saw any demons. Claremont was so quiet on the senior Rasputins that I don't believe we even know for certain they knew of Illyana's abduction and subsequent life as a teenager--they must have, logically, but they remained absent until after Inferno. Unless Illyana's calling the Russian soldiers who killed her parents when they came for her demons, but then there's the whole mess of whether she possesses the memories of her "second childhood."

The Spanish:
That's a shame, yeah, a goof-up with languages. But "Madre de Dios" is all he says, right?In fairness, I think he said that like that in the olden days. (Which doesn't mean it shouldn't be done properly, just sayin'.)

So, I think:
Yup, this book is still awesome in #2. Felt short after the dense and extra-length #1, but it still delivered. Shame it took two full issues to get to see Dani, but they did manage to give her showing up feel like it has huge significance, that was cool. Missed Illyana's Smirks of Doom(TM) this issue, though.

Another BTW.... Anybody else here read Invincible? That Sam/Berto flying moment was totally a Kirkman thing. It happened multiple times with Mark & his best friend William. I laughed my @$$ off when I remembered that. (Something about it also made me think of Scrubs too. :p)

Ha! I hadn't thought of that, but you're totally right. :biggrin:

Well I certainly can't argue that.
I'm so over red-head-centric storylines.

So you don't want Rahne back, then? :wink:

Pixie_Solanas

06-04-2009, 10:19 AM

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/w/wtf-12876.gif

omfg lulz. pee pee accident

but yeah, this issue blew ass.

Dagger

06-04-2009, 10:20 AM

omfg lulz. pee pee accident

but yeah, this issue blew ass.
LOL. Eh, it wasn't X-Factor or X-Force, but it didn't even approach ass blowing. But that's me.

FemGeek

06-04-2009, 10:26 AM

I quite enjoyed this issue, Legion's new head-friends are some creepy bad-guys. If these first issue are anything to judge by, I think I will be sticking with this series. And, yay, Rahne reference. I am content.

Pixie_Solanas

06-04-2009, 10:28 AM

LOL. Eh, it wasn't X-Factor or X-Force, but it didn't even approach ass blowing. But that's me.

I don't know. For a second issue I needed some ASS GRABBING attention. I got none. And Legion is such a joke of a Kid-N-Play hairdo character, it was hard to ever get into this. Maybe i'm just not as big a fan of the New Mutant mythology as I remember being? Ah well, thems the breaks.

The cover art was really nice, though.

Dagger

06-04-2009, 10:38 AM

I don't know. For a second issue I needed some ASS GRABBING attention. I got none. And Legion is such a joke of a Kid-N-Play hairdo character, it was hard to ever get into this. Maybe i'm just not as big a fan of the New Mutant mythology as I remember being? Ah well, thems the breaks.

The cover art was really nice, though.
http://inter.theoffside.com/files/2008/10/jimenez-cordoba.jpg
If Bobby and Sam were doing this, would it make it better? I mean, he was up in Sam's arms at the end of the issue. And LOL on the Kidd-N-Play reference. House party rocked!

Roo

06-04-2009, 10:40 AM

i adored the misadventures of a nerd and his tinker toy ET.

Douglock, however, should stay down the crapper.

Agreed. Think I would have the biggest fangasm ever if they brought Doug & 'Lock back, but if they brought Douglock back I would be hunting Wells down

NielsVanEekelen

06-04-2009, 10:47 AM

I'm of two minds about Roberto's different and unused powers. They shouldn't be just ignored, that's annoying. But on the other hand, I've always hated it (and thought it was lazy writing) when writers give characters new powers barely or not at all related to their original ones. But on this, I'm willing to trust Zeb to resolve later.

I find it kinda funny that you put it that way. Much like Morrison on New X-Men (v1), lots of readers absolutely hated Kyle & Yost at the beginning of their New X-Men (v2) run. Also like Morrison, by the end of their run, the work they did elevated them to a new level of fan respect and adoration.

I'm with you on Yost/Kyle for that--they literally got better with every arc (not counting the group effort of Messiah CompleX, which was good but no Quest for Magik). Morrison, on the other hand, started with fantastic stuff, but I felt he really dropped the ball towards the end of his run.

Was the "What are You boys doing?" part referring to Sam hating to use his powers like that in public....or having to pick up another man?

Subtle homophobia is so unclaremontian.

One man jumps into the arms of another, they're going to joke about it and people might look twice. You can call it homophobia if you like, but that's just what's going to happen, and I doubt anyone means anything bad by it. Hell, if that was the reaction of guys my police force has a bunch of shotguns aimed at, I'd totally be confused too.

By the way, have you guys realized that Illyana probably knew something about Legion being there? She mentioned "the fixers" when she literally dropped in in SF, and that turns out to be David's term for the New Mutants who helped him before.

And when she's being blown through that wall, it's hard to tell, but do I spy a bit of eldritch breastplate there?

darknessatnoon

06-04-2009, 10:52 AM

Subtle homophobia is so unclaremontian.

Subtle anything is unclaremontian.

Pixie_Solanas

06-04-2009, 11:14 AM

http://inter.theoffside.com/files/2008/10/jimenez-cordoba.jpg
If Bobby and Sam were doing this, would it make it better? I mean, he was up in Sam's arms at the end of the issue. And LOL on the Kidd-N-Play reference. House party rocked!

Oh god yes, isn't that only reason people pay attention to them?

MuhollandDriver

06-04-2009, 11:37 AM

NielsVanEekelen

06-04-2009, 11:56 AM

This. Okay...so let's say a panel is spent explaining that Legion is Prof. X's son. That will confuse new readers even more. Shall we add another about Age of Apocalypse? Where does it end? At some point, it becomes a disservice to the story. We know what we need to know. So far, i find the story quite effective. What needed to happen in this issue happened. Perhaps a little backstory can be used later issues. Not now. Urgency was the way to go after the reveal of last issue, and we got that. Next issue, judging by the front cover and this issue's last page, is gonna be a doozie.

Exactly. When Illyana came back, there was hubbub about how complicated her backstory was, too--but Legion, Illyana, all these characters can be defined in a few sentences. The rest is important for the writer to know, so that he can keep the facts straight and build on the past, but the reader can find out about the details as they become relevant to the current story. Or if he wants to now everything right now, that's what the Internet and the Marvel Handbooks are for.

Alex A Sanchez

06-05-2009, 06:40 PM

yanapryde

06-05-2009, 06:51 PM

I don't have time to go into the praise right now (there's lots) so I'll just put my two minor complaints.

#1. Did I misunderstand Jack Wayne? Karma met Legion in New Mutants (vol 1) #44.

#2. Bobby and Sam should NOT be the same height. Yes, I know they have grown since they were teens, but part of the NM's charm was that they all had their own unique physical characteristics. Especially Bobby. They were always commenting on how short he was (the narrator and the Mutants themselves). You should be able to pick them out from a silhouette drawing. At least Amara was drawn more muscular than Illyana, even if she wasn't taller like she should be.

#1. But did she meet Jack...? I'll have to review my back issues tonight....

#2. Yes! Height variances are what I love most about teams. No for real. Few things get me all excited more than seeing a team lined up and seeing that they have distinctly different heights and body types.

And I agree that it does appeal to the NM's charm.

cookepuss

06-05-2009, 07:11 PM

I just looked it up. Karma did meet him in #44. I think that it's important to note that David's mind is more fractured now than ever. Remember, when Bishop came back to stop Legion, he his psi-blade into him and created a feedback loop that apparently killed him.

Obviously, Legion is not dead. He sure is more mental now than ever. A psi-blade that was meant to kill even Magneto would do that though.

The real question is, if he didn't die, where has he been since the AoA? Last time we saw him, he was left for dead 20 years in the past. We haven't seen him for 13-14 years real time - (maybe 3 or 4 Marvel time). That's a pretty big stretch either way.

Jack did meet Karma, but maybe the part of him that remembered meeting her splintered off into another personality. Maybe as a defense mechanism or something.

NielsVanEekelen

06-06-2009, 03:34 AM

An official explanation might be forthcoming, but... AoA was a timetravel story, and I don't believe there was a body. So, when he was stopped in X-Men Omega, David was not killed, but instead thrown into the timestream and spat out only recently. Being in the timestream is not easy on even more stable minds, and it splintered David's worse than ever.

Forgot about Shan meeting him in vol.1 #44--looked it up (and chuckled at what happens when one barges into Illyana's room without knocking) and that ish it was indeed Jack in charge. I'll have to go with less than perfect memory on this one.

There were some differences in height in #1, I think. Sam a bit taller than Roberto, Amara taller than Illyana. but yeah, I've missed beanpole Sam, too. Don't think he's been drawn like that much since way back in the original series, though.

worstblogever

06-06-2009, 04:14 AM

I just looked it up. Karma did meet him in #44. I think that it's important to note that David's mind is more fractured now than ever. Remember, when Bishop came back to stop Legion, he his psi-blade into him and created a feedback loop that apparently killed him.

Obviously, Legion is not dead. He sure is more mental now than ever. A psi-blade that was meant to kill even Magneto would do that though.

Legion's 3 personalities (orignal 3, anyway) turned up as ghosts with him in Excalibur (vol. 1) #121. If he wasn't "dead" dead, he sure was doing a great job of faking it.

NielsVanEekelen

06-06-2009, 07:02 AM

Legion's 3 personalities (orignal 3, anyway) turned up as ghosts with him in Excalibur (vol. 1) #121. If he wasn't "dead" dead, he sure was doing a great job of faking it.

While David was stuck in the timestream, his personalities were flung free from him--they were just confused, and who wouldn't be? Them going to Heaven was actually them returning to the rest of Legion.

If they still did No-Prizes, I would have so many. :wink:

Or, if you want a simpler explanation: Ben Raab.

By the way, does anyone know where we saw David's mother last?

worstblogever

06-06-2009, 07:10 AM

If they still did No-Prizes, I would have so many. :wink:

Or, if you want a simpler explanation: Ben Raab.

Most Excalibur fans I've talked to name Ben Raab as the simplest of explanations, yeah.

The Lucky One

06-06-2009, 08:04 AM

While David was stuck in the timestream, his personalities were flung free from him--they were just confused, and who wouldn't be? Them going to Heaven was actually them returning to the rest of Legion.

Orrrrr... since the Legion in Legionquest showed the ability to go back in time 20 years after integrating all his personalities, maybe this is the first manifestation of David's ability to do that. In other words, this is Legion from the past, after the New Mutants first met him but before their second meeting, where Karma was present. One of his personalities clearly had the ability to time travel, so maybe that personality gained control and accidentally sent him forward in time.

No-prize me, bitches.

-D

Leirus

06-06-2009, 10:40 AM

While David was stuck in the timestream, his personalities were flung free from him--they were just confused, and who wouldn't be? Them going to Heaven was actually them returning to the rest of Legion.

If they still did No-Prizes, I would have so many. :wink:

Or, if you want a simpler explanation: Ben Raab.

By the way, does anyone know where we saw David's mother last?

Last time I remember her was in the U.N. right before Genosha was given to Magneto... But maybe she showed up later in some annual or such.

The Blinkmeister

06-06-2009, 03:50 PM

Last time I remember her was in the U.N. right before Genosha was given to Magneto... But maybe she showed up later in some annual or such.

Yeah, you are probably right.

Which is a shame really, as she was one sexy MILF :cool:

desanth

06-06-2009, 09:04 PM

So I read this and felt like I missed something when they just had Legion using his powers or whatever. It would have been nice for a little explanation or reference to this, sure older more X-pert fans would know, but someone like me who has been following the X-men for maybe 4 years and read some of the older stuff and knew Legion had mental problems but didn't know the specifics of it all, well its not very good. It'll pass though, the writers obviously are assuming everyone is high brow for this sake.

KJ_81

06-06-2009, 11:10 PM

I'm of two minds about Roberto's different and unused powers. They shouldn't be just ignored, that's annoying. But on the other hand, I've always hated it (and thought it was lazy writing) when writers give characters new powers barely or not at all related to their original ones. But on this, I'm willing to trust Zeb to resolve later.

I'm with you on Yost/Kyle for that--they literally got better with every arc (not counting the group effort of Messiah CompleX, which was good but no Quest for Magik). Morrison, on the other hand, started with fantastic stuff, but I felt he really dropped the ball towards the end of his run.

One man jumps into the arms of another, they're going to joke about it and people might look twice. You can call it homophobia if you like, but that's just what's going to happen, and I doubt anyone means anything bad by it. Hell, if that was the reaction of guys my police force has a bunch of shotguns aimed at, I'd totally be confused too.

By the way, have you guys realized that Illyana probably knew something about Legion being there? She mentioned "the fixers" when she literally dropped in in SF, and that turns out to be David's term for the New Mutants who helped him before.

And when she's being blown through that wall, it's hard to tell, but do I spy a bit of eldritch breastplate there?

I actually thought the police officer's line was just a generic cop line. 'I'm responding to a call-out, what's going on here?'

I thought 'Berto's line about 'hating this' could have been that a) he used to be able to just do this himself (depending on where we with his powers and continuity)

and b) It's not the most masculine way to leave in front of people. 'Carry me!'

As to the actual issue................ I didn't really like it that much. I knew all the backstories, so it made sense to me, but if I was a newer reader, I'd have no chance.

And it struck me as a bit complicated, but forced complicated, not a naturally complicated and layered issue, if that makes sense.

I'd give it 5/10, but my enthusiasm for the book hasn't changed one iota. I want this to succeed.

Imraith Nimphais

06-06-2009, 11:18 PM

It was actually Sam who said he "hated doing this in front of people" 'Berto was like "I know, but wot -ev, Hi-Ho Silver, Awaaaaaaaaay!"...lol

pariah-1972

06-07-2009, 12:53 AM

worstblogever

06-07-2009, 02:13 AM

I'm a little confused on some things and i don't know if it's because the writers choose not to explain it or i'm just missing/forgetting something as usual.

I don't understand how Legion came back from the dead and what Legion is doing with this little girl,
And why he is so interested in her and how Karma got trapped inside his psyche?( although it could be one of his many powers since this not the first time the NM have been trapped inside his mind).

Here's the thing that might factor in... The first fractured personality Legion picked up was Jemail Karami, a terrorist who he telepathically killed when his powers first manifested. Jemail was bouncing around in his head after that.

Now, this little girl and Karma... they could've been "picked up" somehow, by Legion, in a similar manner. Whatever psi-training Karma has might help her to free herself, as well as the girl.

All speculation on my part. This is a fascinating take on Legion, in any event, and I'm curious to see how Zeb Wells lets it play out.

NielsVanEekelen

06-07-2009, 02:49 AM

Last time I remember her was in the U.N. right before Genosha was given to Magneto... But maybe she showed up later in some annual or such.

Thanks. Be interesting to see if she's brought in here.

As to the actual issue................ I didn't really like it that much. I knew all the backstories, so it made sense to me, but if I was a newer reader, I'd have no chance.

In my experience, it's often the people who know the backstory of read all the different books in a crossover who claim that people who don't couldn't possibly understand a story... and the people who don't say they had no problem with it and got everything just fine.

I don't understand how Legion came back from the dead and what Legion is doing with this little girl,
And why he is so interested in her and how Karma got trapped inside his psyche?( although it could be one of his many powers since this not the first time the NM have been trapped inside his mind).

Well, Legion's resurrection hasn't been brought up yet.

I don't think he's remarkably interested in the little girl. She just got sucked into his mind--quite possibly accidentally--like Karma was. Like you said,Legion has a history of dragging people into his mind.

Jimmy'sFriend

06-07-2009, 07:37 AM

Does anyone know how many issues this is slated for? I hope it stays around for awhile.

ExodusCloak

06-07-2009, 07:54 AM

I have a feeling that Marci is one of legions personalities, he's been living as the little girl for the last few years.

MuhollandDriver

06-07-2009, 09:09 AM

Does anyone know how many issues this is slated for? I hope it stays around for awhile.

For the long haul :)

i do find it interesting that those long-term readers are the ones worried about others not understanding what is going on. Most new readers i talk to don't have that problem with the book....they really like it. A few days ago, some friends of mine read both issues. Two never read comics, and the other has some knowledge about New Mutants and Legion. They all unanimously loved the book.

Continuity and history are fine...but they shouldn't run an entire book.

NielsVanEekelen

06-07-2009, 10:26 AM

The debate about continuity and exposition always reminds me of a discussion in the letter pages of X-Mannen, the Dutch X-book translation right after The X-Cutioner's Song crossover. This was just when I started reading the book regularly, and it's always stuck with me.

The X-Cutioner's Song was a crossover between Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, X-Force and X-Factor. Only the first two were being published in the Netherlands, so the crossover issues of the latter two appeared in specials.

A sizable group of people read imported copies of Force and Factor, and it was they who argued--at length and with conviction, that the people who only read the Dutch titles couldn't possibly follow the crossover, particularly because it drew heavily on X-Force continuity with Cable and Stryfe. The people who did only read the Dutch books replied that they could follow the story just fine even if they didn't know everything, and were just intrigued by the new characters--but I don't think they ever honestly managed to convince the first group.

Toto

06-07-2009, 11:22 AM

[SIZE="7"] the guy cites Cooperstown, Alaska, as the reason why he did what he did. And they're left without a retort. Nice continuity, and a moment where you understand that humanity is still given reasons to fear and hate mutants, all the time. And sometimes, excuses cannot be made for the unpredictable consequences of their existence. Liked that little touch.

That made me kinda mad. Just like in Uncanny it is presented here as if it was the mutants, who leveled Cooperstown, when in actuality it was the Purifiers. Why the hell should the X-Men feel ashamed when a baby's mere existence triggers some nutjobs to kill other humans? I say it shouldn't and disagree with you on this.
Otherwise, great issue

The Black Guardian

06-07-2009, 11:57 AM

That made me kinda mad. Just like in Uncanny it is presented here as if it was the mutants, who leveled Cooperstown, when in actuality it was the Purifiers. Why the hell should the X-Men feel ashamed when a baby's mere existence triggers some nutjobs to kill other humans? I say it shouldn't and disagree with you on this.
Otherwise, great issue
Well, sure. We're supposed to get mad at such things. The angst it creates is what drives stories.

Slung

06-07-2009, 12:59 PM

Well I certainly can't argue that.
I'm so over red-head-centric storylines. Don't get me wrong, Yost and Kyle are still seated in my comic-gods parthenon but Wells just made my DUO a TRIFECTA. New Mutants FTW!!

YIP YIP!
My excitement for New Mutants and Illyana goes down when people have to Jean-related
put-downs to make their point.

Obviously, the Reignfire crap is being ignored.

It's funny watching all of you trying to praise an issue you didn't enjoy.

Please continue.
You, my friend, are the ultimate killjoy.

Sunspot and Iceman could fight for the right to be carried over the threshhold by Sam.
This story has a lot of potential!

I have never read Legion before but was able to understand what was going on. I am smarter than most of you, though.
True.

He rocked a bitchin 2 piece armor-bikini for a while,
I LOVED that sexy look.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33806/712768-69004_super.jpg

I doubt it was homophobia. Sam & Berto have at the very least traded handjobs/blowjobs in the early days. A piggy back ride is nothing.
I assumed their experimentation was a given.

darkness is just mad that Magik beat up his girl Pixie....such a shame to see hating ruin a normally nice poster
Wait, is dn@n the "normally nice poster"? "Nice" is exactly the adjective I ever expected anyone to use. Witty, sarcastic, sardonic, cynical are all positive ways I'd try to spin his acerbic personality if it was necessary. I can't imagine even Sharif appreciating being dubbed "nice".

blackphoenix

06-07-2009, 04:28 PM

Sorry, but I REALLY hate Legion. All-powerful-characters-who-we can't-beat-without-great-cost suck. And I got so tired of Bobby's fluctuating color that I got a copper marker and colored made him black again. I used to do the same thing when they'd "accidentally" make Storm white.

EDIT:This issue was kinda...meh.

Toto

06-07-2009, 04:51 PM

Well, sure. We're supposed to get mad at such things. The angst it creates is what drives stories.
That would be the reason from the humans' POV, I should be mad at them, I get it, but the mutants shouldn't agree with the accusations, that it's actually their fault.
And it looks like that's the official oppinion in the X-office, which I don't like.
X-Men should stood up and make an announcement about what happened in Cooperstown, not just numbly take the punches, dammit.
So I get where the story element is coming from -give the mutants some guilt- but not in this case.

Sorry, I got a bit sidetracked, back to NM:
-do the rooms in Legion's mindscape represent different places for the different split-personas? That would be cool. Or just different areas of his brain?
-I'm not that familiar with Legion -heard about him, looked up specifics- shouldn't there be a representaion of himself in his mind too? Or it's just the doll, the "wheel"?
I think the narrative of the split personas taking reign was shown in a great way.

pariah-1972

06-07-2009, 05:04 PM

That would be the reason from the humans' POV, I should be mad at them, I get it, but the mutants shouldn't agree with the accusations, that it's actually their fault.
And it looks like that's the official oppinion in the X-office, which I don't like.
X-Men should stood up and make an announcement about what happened in Cooperstown, not just numbly take the punches, dammit.
So I get where the story element is coming from -give the mutants some guilt- but not in this case.

Sorry, I got a bit sidetracked, back to NM:
-do the rooms in Legion's mindscape represent different places for the different split-personas? That would be cool. Or just different areas of his brain?
-I'm not that familiar with Legion -heard about him, looked up specifics- shouldn't there be a representaion of himself in his mind too? Or it's just the doll, the "wheel"?
I think the narrative of the split personas taking reign was shown in a great way.There's really no use arguing with a bunch of stupid flatscans in the first place and they weren't at cooperstown so they don't know what really happened.

yanapryde

06-07-2009, 05:09 PM

My excitement for New Mutants and Illyana goes down when people have to Jean-related
put-downs to make their point.

My apologies Slung, but I my distaste of red heads is not exclusive to Ms. Grey.
I'm not much of a red-head fan in general. I apologize if I hurt your feelings though.

I was more specifically referring to the Messiah-Girl in my previous post.
I try not to bash characters, as I understand how personal it can get if the character is your favorite.

pariah-1972

06-07-2009, 05:11 PM

My apologies Slung, but I my distaste of red heads is not exclusive to Ms. Grey.
I'm not much of a red-head fan in general. I apologize if I hurt your feelings though.

I was more specifically referring to the Messiah-Girl in my previous post.
I try not to bash characters, as I understand how personal it can get if the character is your favorite.You are officially on notice Yana ! redheads rule !!

ExodusCloak

06-07-2009, 05:32 PM

You are officially on notice Yana ! redheads rule !!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-467665/Prince-Harry-Im-bullied-ginger.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/response/2009/04/090406_res_eastenders_dotty_ginger_jf.shtml
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_does_the_saying_beaten_like_a_red_headed_ste pchild_come_from
http://roflrazzi.wordpress.com/files/2009/05/celebrity-pictures-phelps-wright-phelps-grint-gingers-weapons.jpg

SayOcean

06-07-2009, 05:40 PM

why wouldnt sunspots power just naturally progress into plasma blasts and flight....he still isnt as durable as other superstrong people.....i mean damn just let the dude be powerful

NielsVanEekelen

06-07-2009, 07:25 PM

That would be the reason from the humans' POV, I should be mad at them, I get it, but the mutants shouldn't agree with the accusations, that it's actually their fault.
And it looks like that's the official oppinion in the X-office, which I don't like.
X-Men should stood up and make an announcement about what happened in Cooperstown, not just numbly take the punches, dammit.
So I get where the story element is coming from -give the mutants some guilt- but not in this case.

I don't see it as the guys admitting guilt or feeling shame--fact is that a town where a mutant baby was born was exterminated. No matter who was responsible, that's horrible to even think about, and even if it's wrong for the townspeople to lock up and hide their mutant, it's easy to understand why they did it, and hard to argue against it. "That's not fair" probably doesn't count for much to people who think people will come to murder their families.

why wouldnt sunspots power just naturally progress into plasma blasts and flight....he still isnt as durable as other superstrong people.....i mean damn just let the dude be powerful

You mean why are flying and shooting plasma not a natural evolution of being strong? How would they possibly be?

The Lucky One

06-07-2009, 09:13 PM

Sorry, but I REALLY hate Legion. All-powerful-characters-who-we can't-beat-without-great-cost suck.

Except he's not all-powerful. It's the difference between potential versus actuality. In theory, does Legion have an insanely huge powerset? Sure, but he can never bring it to bear because he can only use one power at once, and his personalities never all agree. This once, Jack Wayne seems to have rallied a number of the more deviant alters to his cause, but that's a temporary measure. For all intents and purposes Legion is a number of different characters, each of whom has one power.

Don't get me wrong, I often dislike uber-powered villains myself (with notable exceptions like Mad Jim Jaspers, the Fury, the first Proteus story, etc.), but Legion deserves to be an exception. What makes a villain interesting or boring isn't his powers, it's his personality and motivations. Stryfe has a ton of powers, but he's boring. Mystique has very little power, but she's (usually) quite interesting. Legion isn't fascinating because he's got a ton of powers, he's fascinating because of his dissociative identity disorder and how that manifests.

-D

Slung

06-07-2009, 11:31 PM

My apologies Slung, but I my distaste of red heads is not exclusive to Ms. Grey.
I'm not much of a red-head fan in general. I apologize if I hurt your feelings though.

I was more specifically referring to the Messiah-Girl in my previous post.
I try not to bash characters, as I understand how personal it can get if the character is your favorite.

Its okay, I don't understand why don't like red heads though? My sister is a red head!

MuhollandDriver

06-07-2009, 11:33 PM

My sideburns are a bit red in the summertime.

Fuck this prejudice i'm gonna start an X-Squad.

Fatguy

06-07-2009, 11:46 PM

I thought the issue was decent. Nothing to write home about, but it didnt make me hate myself for wasting the money like a lot of DC books I get.

I still really like the Bobby/Sam stuff.

AZPolaris

06-07-2009, 11:57 PM

REDHEADS RULE!! :cool: :biggrin: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b113/polaris569/11085.jpg

And so does this book! And as much as I love her in X-Force, I want Rhane in this book. I am moving my New Mutants custom action figures to the top of my summer to do list.

Alex A Sanchez

06-08-2009, 12:41 AM

Orrrrr... since the Legion in Legionquest showed the ability to go back in time 20 years after integrating all his personalities, maybe this is the first manifestation of David's ability to do that. In other words, this is Legion from the past, after the New Mutants first met him but before their second meeting, where Karma was present. One of his personalities clearly had the ability to time travel, so maybe that personality gained control and accidentally sent him forward in time.

No-prize me, bitches.

-D

You get a No-prize. One bitchin, big ass No-prize- this was just pure rad.

So I read this and felt like I missed something when they just had Legion using his powers or whatever. It would have been nice for a little explanation or reference to this, sure older more X-pert fans would know, but someone like me who has been following the X-men for maybe 4 years and read some of the older stuff and knew Legion had mental problems but didn't know the specifics of it all, well its not very good. It'll pass though, the writers obviously are assuming everyone is high brow for this sake.

If you really want one, the first page of this thread did a good job explaining it/them. Otherwise, I don't think the story hinges much on how his powers work- he's changed, so the way his stuff worked in the past won't matter much anyway.

Why the hell should the X-Men feel ashamed when a baby's mere existence triggers some nutjobs to kill other humans?

Because a baby's mere existence triggers some nutjobs to kill other humans. Regardless of it not being their fault, the simple fact exists that when mutants come around, people die. It's like grandpa making a huge scene and leaving the wedding because cousin Eric arrives with his boyfriend. Eric has no need to feel embarrassed nor should he be, but he probably will.

Sorry, but I REALLY hate Legion. All-powerful-characters-who-we can't-beat-without-great-cost suck

He's powerful, but very vulnerable. It's regular TP/TK, not Phoenix level TP/TK. Karma and Illyana alone kicked his ass the last time he fought the New Mutants.

ExodusCloak

06-08-2009, 06:24 AM

Except he's not all-powerful. It's the difference between potential versus actuality. In theory, does Legion have an insanely huge powerset? Sure, but he can never bring it to bear because he can only use one power at once, and his personalities never all agree. This once, Jack Wayne seems to have rallied a number of the more deviant alters to his cause, but that's a temporary measure. For all intents and purposes Legion is a number of different characters, each of whom has one power.

Don't get me wrong, I often dislike uber-powered villains myself (with notable exceptions like Mad Jim Jaspers, the Fury, the first Proteus story, etc.), but Legion deserves to be an exception. What makes a villain interesting or boring isn't his powers, it's his personality and motivations. Stryfe has a ton of powers, but he's boring. Mystique has very little power, but she's (usually) quite interesting. Legion isn't fascinating because he's got a ton of powers, he's fascinating because of his dissociative identity disorder and how that manifests.

-D

He was actually able to use more then one power at the same time in the latest issue. Look at the panel right before the parents get impaled, two of his personalities are holding the doll and they say something that gives the impression that they combined their powers.

The Lucky One

06-08-2009, 09:05 AM

He was actually able to use more then one power at the same time in the latest issue. Look at the panel right before the parents get impaled, two of his personalities are holding the doll and they say something that gives the impression that they combined their powers.

I think I know the panel you mean -- right after stabbing the parents, one of the personalities hands off the doll to another while crowing "Ha. Two for one!" But I believe what he's referring to is the fact that he meant to stab the mother, but because the father jumped in front of her, he ended up stabbing both of them. The "two for one" refers to the victims, not powers. If you look, he's only shown using one power at a time.

-D

yanapryde

06-08-2009, 09:20 AM

Its okay, I don't understand why don't like red heads though? My sister is a red head!

When I was 6 a trio of red headed brothers beat me up at the playground by my house.:frown:
I've been.....resentful, ever since.

Fictional redheads aren't nearly as bad though. Jean is nice. The Weasleys are a nice bunch. Wheeler from the Planeteers is a douche, but means well.

Sorry to all the red heads out there. I don't wanna be tagged or booted.

Anna

06-08-2009, 10:53 AM

When I was 6 a trio of red headed brothers beat me up at the playground by my house.:frown:
I've been.....resentful, ever since.

Fictional redheads aren't nearly as bad though. Jean is nice. The Weasleys are a nice bunch. Wheeler from the Planeteers is a douche, but means well.

Sorry to all the red heads out there. I don't wanna be tagged or booted.

My aunt and cousin are redheads; but I used to work with one who was always trying to take charge, and running off to complain when anyone objected.

pariah-1972

06-08-2009, 10:57 AM

I have heard rumours of an evil cabal of redheads planning to take over the world someday.

The Lucky One

06-08-2009, 11:28 AM

I have heard rumours of an evil cabal of redheads planning to take over the world someday.

If it involves Amy Adams and Isla Fisher seducing top world leaders, we've already lost.

-D

7thangel

06-08-2009, 12:04 PM

that's my problem with the marvel universe, obviously in a world of redheads and mutants, it's the redheads that would be feared and hated.

Dagger

06-08-2009, 12:12 PM

that's my problem with the marvel universe, obviously in a world of redheads and mutants, it's the redheads that would be feared and hated.
With good cause! We don't need their ginger genes mixing with the proper folk! This includes strawberry blondes!

yanapryde

06-08-2009, 01:39 PM

With good cause! We don't need their ginger genes mixing with the proper folk! This includes strawberry blondes!

Thank you Dagger.
We've rarely seen eye to eye in the past but I would certainly have you at my side during the inevitable battle that will one day comense between the gingers and rest of the society.

yanapryde

06-08-2009, 02:02 PM

On to more New Mutant-centric topics...

In the 2nd issue, Karma's power lashes out at Sunspot.
Reflexively?
And as a result, it appeard as though Sunspot's psyche was materializing in Legion's Fun House, alongside Karma, until Cannonball broke the connection.

The solicits for issue 4 state:
The pulse-pounding first story-arc comes to a climactic close as Legion takes on the whole team. Can Cannonball, Sunspot, Magma and Dani Moonstar defeat a villain with dozens of super-powered multiple personalities? And all the while Karma and Magik are stuck inside Legion's mind.

My question is: Will Illyana voluntarily allow herself to be drawn into Legion's mind, via Karma's power, to aid her in defeating their foe from the inside or will one of Legion's many dasterdly personalities pull her in with them? :smile:

Leirus

06-08-2009, 02:07 PM

yanapryde

06-08-2009, 02:14 PM

I do not know why, but for me it would make sense if yana soulsword could somehow affect or distroy legion separate personalities while in his mind...

I don't believe her sword works that way. Unless there was some form of sorcery causing his 'return' and/or 'fractured mind'...

I'm guessing she wants to help the little girl in Legion's mind (Marci) and maybe insists Karma bring her in to help. I wonder what will happen to the girl once they've successfully freed her psyche, since her parents are now dead. Or will there be a Walt Disney ending and the parents will be restored...(?)

Leirus

06-08-2009, 02:36 PM

I don't believe her sword works that way. Unless there was some form of sorcery causing his 'return' and/or 'fractured mind'...

I'm guessing she wants to help the little girl in Legion's mind (Marci) and maybe insists Karma bring her in to help. I wonder what will happen to the girl once they've successfully freed her psyche, since her parents are now dead. Or will there be a Walt Disney ending and the parents will be restored...(?)

I know the sword does not work that way, but It would be cool to see her slashing and beheading with it. And, they are kind of ghost...

I do not think the parents will be restored... but what if they were not real and Marcy also isnt, just a construct to attract the NM?

yanapryde

06-08-2009, 02:43 PM

I know the sword does not work that way, but It would be cool to see her slashing and beheading with it. And, they are kind of ghost...

I do not think the parents will be restored... but what if they were not real and Marcy also isnt, just a construct to attract the NM?

Ooooh now THAT would be an interesting twist!

Dave G.

06-08-2009, 03:44 PM

My review for the book can be found here:

http://thefanboyreview.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-mutants-2.html

Overall, I think it still needs work but has potential.

Anna

06-08-2009, 03:56 PM

If it involves Amy Adams and Isla Fisher seducing top world leaders, we've already lost.

-D Isla's Borat's baby mama. Ugh!

yanapryde

06-08-2009, 04:07 PM

there are some great character sketches done by Neves over on his website.

Check em out gang.

http://diogenesneves.blogspot.com/

yanapryde

06-08-2009, 04:11 PM

My review for the book can be found here:

http://thefanboyreview.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-mutants-2.html

Overall, I think it still needs work but has potential.

Illyana and Amara do NOT look the same.
They are very clearly discernable and THAT is a triumphant feat given they are both blondes and many stylistic artists would struggle differentiating the two.

Neves did a good job.

Imraith Nimphais

06-08-2009, 04:16 PM

That would be the reason from the humans' POV, I should be mad at them, I get it, but the mutants shouldn't agree with the accusations, that it's actually their fault.
And it looks like that's the official oppinion in the X-office, which I don't like.
X-Men should stood up and make an announcement about what happened in Cooperstown, not just numbly take the punches, dammit.
So I get where the story element is coming from -give the mutants some guilt- but not in this case.

I do agree with this...I was thinking pretty much the same. The same way wot-ever-his-name-is can go on national television and lay the responsibility of Cooperstown at the mutants' doorstep...why could the mutants not have a press release as well giving the facts of wot truly went down...they are innocent of the massacre and they did save a few lives...proclaiming your innocence in this instance would seem like the "logical" thing to do...but the x-office have been running quite empty on common sense and logic as of late, apparently. As for their current stand-down on this issue, it does not make the story/plot any more interesting, imo...as this is exactly wot we have come to expect of the X-men. Calling their accusers out, confronting them face to face, standing up for themselves and their rights...now that...that would be far more interesting (and exemplary) to read.

Anna

06-08-2009, 04:22 PM

Leirus

06-08-2009, 04:44 PM

Illyana and Amara do NOT look the same.
They are very clearly discernable and THAT is a triumphant feat given they are both blondes and many stylistic artists would struggle differentiating the two.

Neves did a good job.

This. is. weird. So Neves is... what, Brazilian, Portuguese? And in a comic drawn by him Sunspot is talking spanish?

Also, now Roberto being more white makes sense... if he has not read the original New Mutants, and only knows Berto is Brazilian, and a rich one to boot, is normal he went for a clear mulatto look...

yanapryde

06-08-2009, 05:20 PM

This. is. weird. So Neves is... what, Brazilian, Portuguese? And in a comic drawn by him Sunspot is talking spanish?

Also, now Roberto being more white makes sense... if he has not read the original New Mutants, and only knows Berto is Brazilian, and a rich one to boot, is normal he went for a clear mulatto look...

I don't mean to point fingers but Neves shouldn't be held accountable/responsible for ethnic/cultural confusion.

Artists are often blamed for things out of their control. From what I understand, the artist did not color the pages. I believe there is a different person responsible for those choices / application.
As for the language issue, again, that falls on the writer.
And am I mistaken in believing that Roberto has used Spanish phrases in the past?

yanapryde

06-08-2009, 05:23 PM

Pray that Land never gets ahold of them.

That jerk would probably use Hillary Duff or Hannah Montanna as a template for poor Illyana. :mad:

MuhollandDriver

06-08-2009, 05:25 PM

Whatever Jenna Jameson would be candylickin' that soulsword like it was nobody's business.

Leirus

06-08-2009, 06:21 PM

I don't mean to point fingers but Neves shouldn't be held accountable/responsible for ethnic/cultural confusion.

Artists are often blamed for things out of their control. From what I understand, the artist did not color the pages. I believe there is a different person responsible for those choices / application.
As for the language issue, again, that falls on the writer.
And am I mistaken in believing that Roberto has used Spanish phrases in the past?

Yep, you are right, in Claremont Xtreme, the spanish poicemen appeared swearing in Latin (Corpus Christi !!) even when Larroca was drawing, and they had a really close connection...

But I meant the general looks of Berto... even if he were colored darker, he has hunky brazilian mulatto features...

However, I fully expect him to give a call to Zeb once he has seen the issue. Mm. that is, if he reads it. But I guess he would, wouldnt he?

Dave G.

06-08-2009, 06:22 PM

Illyana and Amara do NOT look the same.
They are very clearly discernable and THAT is a triumphant feat given they are both blondes and many stylistic artists would struggle differentiating the two.

Neves did a good job.

Have to say I disagree. I just looked again and the only thing different is the hair. And that is only slightly.

But I don't really have a problem with that. It's more how Roberto looks. Way to white compared to the old comics.

Leirus

06-08-2009, 06:34 PM

Have to say I disagree. I just looked again and the only thing different is the hair. And that is only slightly.

But I don't really have a problem with that. It's more how Roberto looks. Way to white compared to the old comics.

I do not really have a problem with that, they have time to solve it, along with the lenguage thing... and I think yana and Magama do look different, Illyana is more lithe, and has a smaller face, while Magma is more boobalicous and rounded (as she always was)...

The Black Guardian

06-09-2009, 02:00 AM

Have to say I disagree. I just looked again and the only thing different is the hair. And that is only slightly.
Considerably different hair.
Considerably different facial structure.
But I don't really have a problem with that. It's more how Roberto looks. Way to white compared to the old comics.
Agreed, though this issue was better than last.

SayOcean

06-09-2009, 02:41 AM

You mean why are flying and shooting plasma not a natural evolution of being strong? How would they possibly be?the same way Mystiques shape shifting abilities retard her aging process, and helps her recover from diseases and poisons faster, or Peter turning into organic steel makes him stronger, bobbys powers come from the sun, he turns solar energy into strength, its not so out of the question that as his body becomes more mature it would start to conver solar energy into plasma blasts, and his flight comes as result of that

Vic Vega

06-09-2009, 07:40 AM

the same way Mystiques shape shifting abilities retard her aging process, and helps her recover from diseases and poisons faster, or Peter turning into organic steel makes him stronger, bobbys powers come from the sun, he turns solar energy into strength, its not so out of the question that as his body becomes more mature it would start to conver solar energy into plasma blasts, and his flight comes as result of that

Every other character with Solar based powers can at minimum fire plasma blasts. Sunfire can do that AND fly.

Since Magma is the team blaster, I don't think that it would be unreasonable to have him flying again.

Unless Douglock shows up then he can take over the "second flyer" spot.:smile:

yanapryde

06-10-2009, 02:01 PM

cookepuss

06-10-2009, 02:04 PM

Source? I didn't see that in their latest X-Position.

pariah-1972

06-10-2009, 02:12 PM

Every other character with Solar based powers can at minimum fire plasma blasts. Sunfire can do that AND fly.

Since Magma is the team blaster, I don't think that it would be unreasonable to have him flying again.

Unless Douglock shows up then he can take over the "second flyer" spot.:smile:The thing i liked about the original New Mutants is they all pretty much had one power and had to make do with that.

Then it was later writers who felt the need to start adding random new powers that weren't needed.

yanapryde

06-10-2009, 02:20 PM

Source? I didn't see that in their latest X-Position.

Yost (who wrote it) and Kyle have been answering fan questions in the forum dedicated to that particular X-Position.
Flaneur ( spelling?) is the poster who asked the question I believe.

NielsVanEekelen

06-10-2009, 03:29 PM

Well its not much but...I felt it was post-worthy....

Will the (newest) New Mutants team featuring Sam, Dani, Xian, Amara, Roberto and Illyana, be having a specific presence anytime soon? Rahne needs to be reprimanded by her peers

Chris Yost: The New Mutants are going to be playing a big part in the X-Universe, including X-Force. stay tuned!

Sweet! I had meant to send in a question asking them about Zeb's comments about X-Force and the New Mutants meeting, but I totally forgot.

Let the Mutants appear often and prominently in Uncanny, X-Factor and X-Force (that way I'll get extra New Mutants without having to buy books I otherwise wouldn't)!

yanapryde

06-10-2009, 03:43 PM

Sweet! I had meant to send in a question asking them about Zeb's comments about X-Force and the New Mutants meeting, but I totally forgot.

Let the Mutants appear often and prominently in Uncanny, X-Factor and X-Force (that way I'll get extra New Mutants without having to buy books I otherwise wouldn't)!
"Less is more" is bogus!!
Yes Yes...more = MORE!
and MORE! = Happy Christopher!
Which is BEST!

So yes, let us encourage the flourishing of the New Mutants throughout the X-verse asap! Honestly, I have no quams with paying/buying multiple issues to ensure multiple happies multiple times per month. Yes. Good.

chemicalx

06-21-2009, 08:55 AM

I finally got around to reading this issue. Why is Dani so awesome. She was only on one page and I was instantly excited about the next issue just to see what she will do!

Victorious

06-21-2009, 11:04 AM

This book is awesome. I have re-read the issues and I’ve have a theory on what’s happening...

Shan have shown that his powers can absorb some else’s psyche and keep it between herself. She did it in her first appearance, absorbing her brother. What if her psyche is fractured, in a similar way in which Rogue’s psyche is explained in recent issues of X-Men: Legacy?

What if Shan is the one who’s powers has gone out of control and she is absorbing people into her mind, and not Legion? Maybe Legion is just a victim of Shan’s powers.
It will explain the doll a little bit too, since it is more of a girl doll than a boy doll. Not that Legion cannot play with a girl doll (he have several personalities and some of them are females apparently), but the doll is just a curious item. I’m even thinking it can be a doll Shan carried when she escaped Vietnam with her mother and the twins. It would make sense as a very particular and precious item for her.

We saw that by possessing Berto last issue she kind of absorb him into where she is with Marci. What if they are in Shan’s mind and all this personalities or people where always part of Shan’s psyche. Maybe by confronting Marci or Legion, their powers make Shan’s powers go out of control. Maybe when Shan found Marci, she absorb her and then when her power try to absorb Legion, one of Legion’s power absorb her instead. Lol, I don’t know, now I’m confused.

Hope that next issue when the guys find Dani she may explain a little bit what’s happened before the rest of the team found Shan and why she’s in jail.