How do you screw up the JLA?

[bad trotsky]

Elvis on a pogo stick! The Avengers are the closest Marvel has to the JLA......how many Avengers books are there now? 6? No matter what you have the Bats and the Supes on JLA. Marvel doesnt even need Cap, Thor or Iron Man to sell them. Hank Pym and Luke Cage (or maybe Clint) are leading these teams. Heck Norman Osborn can lead an Avengers team to good sales. I LOVE the JLA its the DC book I want to read along with the Bats. Come on make it good again. plz.

Edit: I will happily take Dick Grayson Batman and Mon-El.

[40footwolf]

Yeah, people blame editorial interference for McDuffie's crappy run, but man, you can't excuse EVERYTHING with that old song and dance.

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Elvis on a pogo stick! The Avengers are the closest Marvel has to the JLA......how many Avengers books are there now? 6? No matter what you have the Bats and the Supes on JLA. Marvel doesnt even need Cap, Thor or Iron Man to sell them. Hank Pym and Luke Cage (or maybe Clint) are leading these teams. Heck Norman Osborn can lead an Avengers team to good sales. I LOVE the JLA its the DC book I want to read along with the Bats. Come on make it good again. plz.

Edit: I will happily take Dick Grayson Batman and Mon-El.

Yeah, people blame editorial interference for McDuffie's crappy run, but man, you can't excuse EVERYTHING with that old song and dance.

One book has Spider-Man and Wolverine. Another is the main event book. Two of them are written by a 'super-star' like Bendis (the equivalent of being written by Johns or Morrison), so no matter how many complaints or negative reviews parts of each run may receive, they would still sell. I'll give you MA. We'll just see how that goes, especially since it hasn't been that long since the last Bendis written issue. How much does 'The Initiative' sell?

Keep in mind that JLA still ranks in the top-10 sellers list on a monthly basis. It's also DC's best seller next to Batman. I don't see Bendis having to abandon whole plots (including the 'epic' plots), frequently and prematurely abort scripts already in progress or rewrite scripts at the last second (Roy/Kendra/funeral anyone?).Stuff like this can be a pain in the ass. Ask Waid, Shooter or Dixon. Plus, Bendis can still use who he wants to use and write stories he wants to write.

[carabas]

Last time I checked, JLA is consistantly a top 10 book. despite the crap heaped upon it by editorial.

[40footwolf]

Why are people talking about sales? The OP never mentioned anything about sales.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Why are people talking about sales? The OP never mentioned anything about sales.

He sort of did.

Elvis on a pogo stick! The Avengers are the closest Marvel has to the JLA......how many Avengers books are there now? 6? No matter what you have the Bats and the Supes on JLA. Marvel doesnt even need Cap, Thor or Iron Man to sell them. Hank Pym and Luke Cage (or maybe Clint) are leading these teams. Heck Norman Osborn can lead an Avengers team to good sales. I LOVE the JLA its the DC book I want to read along with the Bats. Come on make it good again. plz.

Edit: I will happily take Dick Grayson Batman and Mon-El.

[40footwolf]

Ah.

It's still not really the point of the post.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Ah.

It's still not really the point of the post.

So is it quality? Do know how many complaints and negative reviews some of Bendis' runs have got?

[40footwolf]

So, wait. Why do you think their can't be bad Avengers comics AND bad JLA comics at the same time? What bearing does Bendis have on the quality of McDuffie's run?

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

So, wait. Why do you think their can't be bad Avengers comics AND bad JLA comics at the same time? What bearing does Bendis have on the quality of McDuffie's run?

The problem is the OP used Avengers as a comparison.

[40footwolf]

He's right, though. Most Avengers series to consistently outsell JLA, even if neither is very good.

So...he's right in a kind of roundabout way, I guess.

[40footwolf]

Adventures in Double Posts!

[bad trotsky]

He's right, though. Most Avengers series to consistently outsell JLA, even if neither is very good.

So...he's right in a kind of roundabout way, I guess.

Yay I am right in a roundabout way.

I do not want that however I want JLA good again.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

He's right, though. Most Avengers series to consistently outsell JLA, even if neither is very good.

So...he's right in a kind of roundabout way, I guess.

Well, keep in mind the majority of the Avengers books are written by a superstar writer, the equivalent of a Johns or a Morrison, so they would still sell no matter what the quality is.

[bad trotsky]

Why do you talk about me in the 3rd person?

[bad trotsky]

Why do you talk about me in the 3rd person?

[carabas]

We don't talk about him in the third person, we talk to the reader in general and not to him specifically.

[Shellhead]

How do you screw up the JLA?

Let me count some ways:

1. Dump most of the existing team and replace them with diverse new characters with questionable concepts. (Detroit era)

2. Bring in a new leader who is a pure retcon construct claiming to be a forgotten founder. Use artists who skipped art school and learned by tracing Image comics. (Triumph)

3. Ignore the team in favor of a completely unnecessary retcon/reboot of some other team. (Doom Patrol in the Tenth Circle storyline)

4. Make them cry, a lot. (Pain of the Gods, courtesy of Chuck Austen)

5. Hire a famous author to write his own private fanfic. (Brad Meltzar)

6. Hamstring the writer with a checklist of tie-in requirements for various ongoing events. Give him as little advance notice about changes as possible. (yes, McDuffie)

[dumbstruck]

I'm not sure, but DC certainly did a good job of it.

[the4thpip]

I'm not sure, but DC certainly did a good job of it.

Well, practice makes perfect.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/1449_4_258.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/3804_4_095.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/5235_4_00.jpg
(the latter being the first time a "proactive JLA" was attempted... before the Elite and the upcoming cry for justice.)

[Vic Vega]

Define "good".

The JLI only had Batman in its membership and the Fans LOVED that run.

Before the Justice League of Detroit, Martian Manhunter barely made any apperances in the book.

Morrison's run didn't have Hal, Ollie or Barry in it. Heck the breakout character from Morrison's run was Plastic Man.

The big 7 haven't been the be-all and end-all for this book in awhile.

[Shade]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/5235_4_00.jpg


Man I love that cover for the sole fact that Beetle looks like he just punched himself in the crotch!

[RolandJP]

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I'd watch that.

[celticguy]

That Detroit cover make me wonder if Gypsy will pop up anywhere. I always liked the character.

JLA was not a major player in the storylines of the day, RIP, FC, Sinestro Wars or New Krypton, I am not sure how if it figures into blackest night even. So it has to muddle through with make shift lineups.

I don't have a problem with a non big 7 lines up, although I would like some of them there at all times. They probably should have rested the book until a few major characters were available. The team would still have been represented in Trinity to keep the banner flying anyway.

[celticguy]

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I'd watch that.

which one the left or the right.

[dumbstruck]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.cinematical.com/media/2009/05/wonderwomanposter51.jpg


How do you screw up the JLA?

By putting Megan Fox in it, of course. :rolleyes:

[Shellhead]

Megan Fox has no intention of playing Wonder Woman. In a recent interview, she even badmouthed Wonder Woman as a lame character.

[celticguy]

Megan Fox has no intention of playing Wonder Woman. In a recent interview, she even badmouthed Wonder Woman as a lame character.


shussh still letting the idea simmer don't crush it yet.

[Kylun123]

Yea, my preferred JLA is the second-tier heroes getting together and pooling their talents to take on foes when the big wigs are busy.

But, if you are going to put together a heavy-hitters squad then maybe they would be better served having a larger role in the universe-wide crossovers (like the Avengers titles).

[Will.S]

Megan Fox has no intention of playing Wonder Woman. In a recent interview, she even badmouthed Wonder Woman as a lame character.
I don't think she fits the role anyway.

[Shellhead]

I don't think she fits the role anyway.

I agree. She's very hot, but in a vaguely sinister way.

[celticguy]

Yea, my preferred JLA is the second-tier heroes getting together and pooling their talents to take on foes when the big wigs are busy.

But, if you are going to put together a heavy-hitters squad then maybe they would be better served having a larger role in the universe-wide crossovers (like the Avengers titles).

Well you kind of have that with the outsider and the titans. THe JLA should face the big bads but the problem withte big 7 idea is having enough big bads that can give all 7 something to do. With a mix of big timers and some 2nd stringers they can take on the big bads and guys like one of the arrows are not standing around shooting usless arrows.

I prefer a large lineup so you can have a villian superman would walk all over face a lineup that has to battle and When you have a huge badass bring in Superman, WW and a GL. It seemed they were heading that way and then all the event stunted its growth.

Also the JLA tittle should be a mainplayer in telling any big event stories.

[celticguy]

I agree. She's very hot, but in a vaguely sinister way.


Giddey-up you bet she is.

I thought Dusku was in talks for it of course it was just talk.

[Shellhead]

Giddey-up you bet she is.

I thought Dusku was in talks for it of course it was just talk.

Dushku is too old, at least by Hollywood standards. If the Wonder Woman movie is a hit, they will want at least one sequel. So they will want an actress who is maybe 25 at the most.

[celticguy]

Dushku is too old, at least by Hollywood standards. If the Wonder Woman movie is a hit, they will want at least one sequel. So they will want an actress who is maybe 25 at the most.

ok but she is 29 depending on how quickly it gets going they could get 2 or 3 in before she hit 35 and has to go to the old folks home

[bad trotsky]

Hrm what do you think of one of the non human Green Lanterns serving in the JLA?

[the4thpip]

Hrm what do you think of one of the non human Green Lanterns serving in the JLA?

Katma Tui for the win!

[celticguy]

Katma Tui for the win!
Kilowog for the funny

although with four earth GLs there would ahve to be a hell of an excuse to not have one available for Earths sector.

[Zeraze]

I don't think we're going to get a better answer to the OP than this one:

How do you screw up the JLA?

Let me count some ways:

1. Dump most of the existing team and replace them with diverse new characters with questionable concepts. (Detroit era)

2. Bring in a new leader who is a pure retcon construct claiming to be a forgotten founder. Use artists who skipped art school and learned by tracing Image comics. (Triumph)

3. Ignore the team in favor of a completely unnecessary retcon/reboot of some other team. (Doom Patrol in the Tenth Circle storyline)

4. Make them cry, a lot. (Pain of the Gods, courtesy of Chuck Austen)

5. Hire a famous author to write his own private fanfic. (Brad Meltzar)

6. Hamstring the writer with a checklist of tie-in requirements for various ongoing events. Give him as little advance notice about changes as possible. (yes, McDuffie)

Now we can move on to other topics. How about that Megan Fox, huh?