Shazam:Rebirth

[Phantom Druid]

Would anyone like to see Geoff Johns do a Marvel Family:Rebirth? Now that Billy, Mary, and Black Adam are defunct/depowered, it seems like they are preparing for a re-tooling of these guys. I think I remember reading somewhere that the Marvel Family will have a prominent role in the DCU after Blackest Night, so they obviously have something in mind...but what? If anyone can rescue Captain Marvel and fit him in better in the DCU, it would be Geoff Johns. Or would you like to see another writer do it? Gail Simone perhaps? I'd like to see what she could do with Mary Marvel.

[Ex_]

Hot damn. That would be awesome. I'd take Geoff Johns, Gail Simone, Keith Giffen. I don't care what others say, but I'd take Judd Winick too. I really liked his SHAZAM stories, especially his portrayal of Billy in the Superman comics and the First Thunder mini.

[Michael P]

Would anyone like to see Geoff Johns do a Marvel Family: Rebirth?

Fuck, fuck, fuck no. Jeff Smith did all the rebooting the Marvels will ever need. Leave them in peace.

[jdwrocks]

God, please no Winnick. He almost destroyed the Shazam/Cap Marvel mythos with his awful "Trials of Shazam".

IMO, Ordway did it the best with "Power of Shazam". He's got the best grasp on the characters involved.

[Phantom Druid]

Fuck, fuck, fuck no. Jeff Smith did all the rebooting the Marvels will ever need. Leave them in peace.

So, you are saying to leave Captain Marvel alone then? never bring him back? It has been confirmed that the Marvels will have a role post Blackest Night. And since they don't have their powers, they have to start over or get them back somehow, right?

[Phantom Druid]

I don't care what others say, but I'd take Judd Winick too. I really liked his SHAZAM stories, especially his portrayal of Billy in the Superman comics and the First Thunder mini.

Well, I did enjoy First Thunder. It had a classy, old school comic kinda feel to it, and the art style complimented it well. I'm not so sure about Trials of Shazam though. I thought the art was pretty cool at least, especially when Mauro Cascioli took over towards the end.

[jl4gl]

I agree - Ordway's run in the mid-90's (?) was probably the best I've seen. Since then, they've tried to measure up to that, but it's been rough.
That being said, I too wonder what Johns would do with the Marvels if allowed - but dunno if he'd get all burnt out from all the other books he writes..

[bannermanonemillion]

If there's a way to re-introduce them into the DCU and hold on to who they are at their cores, then yeah. However, it's more likely that Johns or someone like him will try to make them more "relatable" which is usually writer-ese for either weakening them ("Trials Of Shazam!") or making them darker (see "Black Mary") which will draw in newer readers but alienate the core fanbase. There are so few entertaining "light" heroes around these days but if there's a way to reintroduce the Marvels and keep them lighthearted, go for it! But if we get another "oh, it turns out that (fill-in-the-blanks) past was full of dark horrible, Vertigo-type secrets that we're just now learning about so now (fill-in-the-blanks) is a darker, edgier character" style reboot, just count me out, please.

[Michael P]

So, you are saying to leave Captain Marvel alone then? never bring him back?

He never left.

http://www.marvelfamily.com/images/Solicits/DCComics/BBATMOS/BBATMOS001.jpg

[Finganforn]

To be honest, the only reason I ever opened a DC book was because of Captain Marvel. I would love to see the Marvel family back, and I would like to see them getting some respect and space as they did on Ordway run on the 90's. Not only in their books, but on that time you could see Captain Marvel once in a while in other books and he wouldn't be a random character in superman's powerlevel used just because the writer couldn't use superman.

As for writers, I have some problems with Geoff Johns, specially when he takes on the Fawcett's characters (exclude the "black side" on this affirmative). Surely, Ordway would be my prefered. I can't say I entirely dislike the writer of Trials. I believe most of it was editorial decision (lets separate these characters from the greek/roman gods/WW related gods, but lets make something with them), so I disconsider even the idea of the trials. However I like his take on the characters' personalities, specially when he shows Billy holding the weight of the world "on his back". That is the thing about Billy, he is not just a random child with "kewl supapowah", he is a special person that has that godlike willpower and other heroic attributes despite of the powers he has or the situation he is in, one that power doesn't corrupt (or rather, doesn't reveal the evil that was buried deep inside because there was no evil in the first place, as Neron learned the bad way).

[celticguy]

well Freddy is in the JL book so whatever happens to them will come after that.

[Darrell D.]

Would anyone like to see Geoff Johns do a Marvel Family:Rebirth? Now that Billy, Mary, and Black Adam are defunct/depowered, it seems like they are preparing for a re-tooling of these guys. I think I remember reading somewhere that the Marvel Family will have a prominent role in the DCU after Blackest Night, so they obviously have something in mind...but what? If anyone can rescue Captain Marvel and fit him in better in the DCU, it would be Geoff Johns. Or would you like to see another writer do it? Gail Simone perhaps? I'd like to see what she could do with Mary Marvel.

Oh, dear God, no.
Throw a pile of money at Jeff Smith to do it.

[numberONE]

I like what I've read of the Marvel family, which isn't much. Green Lantern: Rebirth introduced me to Green Lantern, I'd love to see Shazam: Rebirth.

[Finganforn]

well Freddy is in the JL book so whatever happens to them will come after that.
Can you point me in which book he started showing up, I am not following and the books I came across didnt have him so I am clueless.

[Phantom Druid]

Can you point me in which book he started showing up, I am not following and the books I came across didnt have him so I am clueless.


google Justice League, cry for justice. It's gonna be a 6 issue story featuring a team with Congorilla, Freddy Freeman, Supergirl etc. Check it out, looks cool. Good artist too.

[Phantom Druid]

To be honest, the only reason I ever opened a DC book was because of Captain Marvel. I would love to see the Marvel family back, and I would like to see them getting some respect and space as they did on Ordway run on the 90's.

It's awesome to hear that, and I wholeheartedly agree. :cool:

[Phantom Druid]

Ok, so I've seen a few people express their concerns about Geoff Johns writing the Big Red Cheese. It seems people think he will alter him a bit and/or not remain true to the character. That may be true. He might do what he thinks will increase people's interest in the character or put his own stamp on it that might alienate the old school fans. I missed John's first JSA run, which featured Cap. How did Johns write him then? Could there not be a compromise somehow that could create more appeal to the character while not sacrificing cap's current fans? What do you think? What writer and artist team can create that good balance?

Also, I've heard that Gail Simone is a fan of the Marvel Family. what are your thoughts on her writing a Marvel book?

[jerrymcl89]

I know Gail has long said that the Marvels are a property she'd like a chance to write, so I'm in favor of that. I think some of the other things she's done, like "Welcome to Tranquility", suggest she'd be well suited to it.

[Pól Rua]

Oh dear Jesus God no.
Captain Marvel needs another self-important, 'serious comic is serious' reboot with plodding, godawful writing and a sombre, grim, gritty tone like he needs a hole in the head.

So, you are saying to leave Captain Marvel alone then? never bring him back? It has been confirmed that the Marvels will have a role post Blackest Night. And since they don't have their powers, they have to start over or get them back somehow, right?
If I have a choice between BAD Captain Marvel stories and NO Captain Marvel stories, I'll take the latter, thanks.
If DC wants to do 'Captain Marvel Chronicles', reprinting all the Cap stories from the 40's, I'll buy every volume.

[Phantom Druid]

sombre, grim, gritty tone like he needs a hole in the head.

I certainly wouldn't go for a somber, grim & gritty tone for Cap.

[Finganforn]

Ok, so I've seen a few people express their concerns about Geoff Johns writing the Big Red Cheese. It seems people think he will alter him a bit and/or not remain true to the character. That may be true. He might do what he thinks will increase people's interest in the character or put his own stamp on it that might alienate the old school fans. I missed John's first JSA run, which featured Cap. How did Johns write him then? Could there not be a compromise somehow that could create more appeal to the character while not sacrificing cap's current fans? What do you think? What writer and artist team can create that good balance?

Also, I've heard that Gail Simone is a fan of the Marvel Family. what are your thoughts on her writing a Marvel book?

I don't recall it as been bad, it was overall good, though I think he focused more on Black Adam than on Cap (and surely by been a group book he was already not that much visible than on a regular book, so is harder to base on it). His Black Adam I liked. The worst problem I got with him, and I guess some others too, was his last arc with the marvel family recently in JSA and his ability to start interesting and end letting us know that someone punched reality and it got altered.

[Pól Rua]

I certainly wouldn't go for a somber, grim & gritty tone for Cap.
Neither would I.
Which wouldn't stop Johns and DiDio.

[Desaad]

Of the people DC currently has in their stable, I'd much rather see Matt Sturges or G. Willow Wilson take a stab at Captain Marvel. Matt Wagner would absolutely knock such a book out of the park, too. If it's possible to take writers from across the aisle, I'd also love to see Paul Cornell or Warren Ellis do a Captain Marvel book.

Now that I've thought about it, though, I can't get the idea of a Matt Wagner Captain Marvel out of my head. Dammit!

[jl4gl]

Of the people DC currently has in their stable, I'd much rather see Matt Sturges or G. Willow Wilson take a stab at Captain Marvel. Matt Wagner would absolutely knock such a book out of the park, too. If it's possible to take writers from across the aisle, I'd also love to see Paul Cornell or Warren Ellis do a Captain Marvel book.

Now that I've thought about it, though, I can't get the idea of a Matt Wagner Captain Marvel out of my head. Dammit!

I would have to agree! Wagner's work on Zorro is tremedous - he simultaneously respects the history as well as reinterpreting it, all while not changing Zorro into a dark character, so I'd imagine it'd be something similar if he wrote Cpt Marvel.