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MisterBigBacon

05-29-2009, 08:59 PM

Is anyone else anxious to see if Deathstroke is going to be making any appearances in Batman titles now that Dick is under the cowl?

Back in the mid 90's when Deathstroke had his own ongoing title Batman appeared in a few issues and the story was some what decent. Now that they have him back in a villain role again though , it would be fun to read some more showdowns between the two.

Spiffy

05-29-2009, 09:02 PM

He'd seem to be a natural except for two things.

1.) He's SO damn overused.
2.) For the rivalry to really "pop", he'd have to know that the former Robin, who became Nightwing is NOW Batman. Not a stretch, mind you...

WorstThingUS

05-29-2009, 09:18 PM

He'd seem to be a natural except for two things.

1.) He's SO damn overused.
2.) For the rivalry to really "pop", he'd have to know that the former Robin, who became Nightwing is NOW Batman. Not a stretch, mind you...

3) A reversal of the odd editorial mandate that Green Arrow is now his principal enemy (because he stabbed him in his dead eye socket, which can hardly be the worst thing ever to happen to Slade) when Dick Grayson has caused him more set-backs (with the Titans of alone) than anyone else.

marshal99

05-30-2009, 03:24 AM

I think Dick probably got Slade's footprint imprinted permanently on his butt since Slade have been kicking it for so many years since he was robin. :biggrin:

MisterBigBacon

05-30-2009, 04:29 PM

I'd just like to see some of Nightwings enemies brought into the Batman villain lineup. As a big fan of Deathstroke I hope he's a given.

JohnnyAngel77

05-30-2009, 04:38 PM

I've always thought Deathsroke was pretty great. He has been overused in the past but it would be really great to see something between the 2 again.

Jorriss

05-30-2009, 06:09 PM

I hope so, but not for 6-12 months. I want to see Nightwing beat a couple of Batman's main opponents to show he's legit as the caped crusader.

Armadillo

05-31-2009, 05:33 AM

I'd like to see Deathstroke VS Dick as Batman.

carabas

05-31-2009, 07:21 AM

God, no.
I'd rather they fix Deathstroke first before letting him anywhere near a book I'd like to read.

Joe Acro

05-31-2009, 01:24 PM

The problem with having Deathstroke fight Dick now is that Slade is almost always Dick's better, which would mean that Batman would have to lose frequently in his own series if Deathstroke became a recurring problem.

dreyga2000

05-31-2009, 01:33 PM

The problem with having Deathstroke fight Dick now is that Slade is almost always Dick's better, which would mean that Batman would have to lose frequently in his own series if Deathstroke became a recurring problem.

Or Dick would just have to become a better.... Learn to use his advantages to secure victory...

GHalecki

06-02-2009, 10:47 PM

Well, they showed Ollie beating Slade pretty handily by laying a trap and then having additional surprises in OYL. And Ollie really is a solid step below Dick in most areas.

But bringing in a lot, or even any, Nightwing villians just gives the wrong impression in my opinion.

Having Dick as Batman fighting Deathstroke emphesizes the DICK as Batman part over the Dick as BATMAN that I would think they would want to be trying to push.

bdk91939

06-02-2009, 11:03 PM

Deathstroke will finally get to kill Batman if this match up ever takes place and is during a Big Event Company Crossover. And at the end of that will be "Welcome back Bruce" to the DCU.

AiyokuSama

06-03-2009, 02:34 AM

God, no.
I'd rather they fix Deathstroke first before letting him anywhere near a book I'd like to read.

Agreed. It seems that he has suffered of late from writers wanting to make him a two dimensional villain.

I liked him better when he had his own title. He had depth and lived in shades of grey, engaging in questionable things and not always doing the "right" thing, or doing the "right" thing the "wrong" way.

In short, he was fun. And so was his relationship with Dick.

Now he's boring when he's not outright painful.

AiyokuSama

06-03-2009, 02:50 AM

The problem with having Deathstroke fight Dick now is that Slade is almost always Dick's better, which would mean that Batman would have to lose frequently in his own series if Deathstroke became a recurring problem.

I'll have to dig out my Deathstroke issues, but I seem to recall him beating Batman (Bruce) in Gotham. There was a priceless line from Slade in the fight. I believe it went something along the lines of, "You were trained to win, I was trained to kill."

dreyga2000

06-03-2009, 02:53 AM

I'll have to dig out my Deathstroke issues, but I seem to recall him beating Batman (Bruce) in Gotham. There was a priceless line from Slade in the fight. I believe it went something along the lines of, "You were trained to win, I was trained to kill."

Deathstroke #7... I believe

But in reply I have an issue of Batman where he beats Deathstroke unconscious with his own gun...

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AiyokuSama

06-03-2009, 03:06 AM

I have an issue of Batman where he beats Deathstroke unconscious with his own gun...

Which one was that?

I never said Bats couldn't learn :) but then, so can Slade.

dreyga2000

06-03-2009, 03:10 AM

Which one was that?

I never said Bats couldn't learn :) but then, so can Slade.

Issue 710...I just posted scans in my edited post....

AiyokuSama

06-03-2009, 03:14 AM

Issue 710...I just posted scans in my edited post....

Thanks :) Now I need to dig up that one too.

Laurence

06-03-2009, 04:19 AM

Deathstroke #7... I believe

But in reply I have an issue of Batman where he beats Deathstroke unconscious with his own gun...

Though it's worth pointing out Slade was distracted, and had already casually slapped Bruce down twice in that issue.

carabas

06-03-2009, 05:11 AM

Deathstroke #7... I believe

But in reply I have an issue of Batman where he beats Deathstroke unconscious with his own gun...

I don't know. Slade seems awefully talkative for someon who's unconscious.

dreyga2000

06-03-2009, 08:17 AM

I don't know. Slade seems awefully talkative for someon who's unconscious.

He was blacked out long enough for Bats to tie him-up... And this was without prep...

Though it's worth pointing out Slade was distracted, and had already casually slapped Bruce down twice in that issue.

Not distracted just arrogant... And frankly stupid... He was banking on Batman staying down and giving up...

celticguy

06-03-2009, 08:24 AM

I think Dick probably got Slade's footprint imprinted permanently on his butt since Slade have been kicking it for so many years since he was robin. :biggrin:

Has he ever beaten him solo? If Deathstroke could handle the titans team pretty easy then one Titan should be easier especially one of the non powered ones.

dreyga2000

06-03-2009, 09:23 AM

Has he ever beaten him solo? If Deathstroke could handle the titans team pretty easy then one Titan should be easier especially one of the non powered ones.

Once Dick had to go one one with Slade in order to save manbat from poachers...

NIghtwing was able to incapitate Deathstroke and make an escape....

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With Damien's help and some gadjets.... I do believe Dick can take him down...

celticguy

06-03-2009, 09:47 AM

Is it possible I suppose but I am not sure what he can accomplish with his gadgets the tittans powers could not.

It would be fun if Damien took him out some how due to Wilson underestimating him.

dreyga2000

06-03-2009, 09:55 AM

Is it possible I suppose but I am not sure what he can accomplish with his gadgets the tittans powers could not.

It would be fun if Damien took him out some how due to Wilson underestimating him.

I'm thinking tranqs or knock out gas... while not able to take Slade down may slow him down enough for a clear victory....

celticguy

06-03-2009, 09:59 AM

I'm thinking tranqs or knock out gas... while not able to take Slade down may slow him down enough for a clear victory....

Well i think Dick could trap him like GA did or throw the wrench in misson of his but Deathstroke would be prepared for anything on the utility belt in a ramdom fight. Unless dick or Damien adds some new gear which, would be cool with me.

chicagokmc

06-03-2009, 10:12 AM

Well, they showed Ollie beating Slade pretty handily by laying a trap and then having additional surprises in OYL. And Ollie really is a solid step below Dick in most areas.

the biggest of those surprises being that ollie spent the one year later period learning hand to hand and other skills from the master who taught slade.

celticguy

06-03-2009, 10:27 AM

the biggest of those surprises being that ollie spent the one year later period learning hand to hand and other skills from the master who taught slade.

But even then if not for the fly trap Wilson was lured onto I think GA gets his ass kicked. He did not fair too well soon after with BC by his side and she is a better fighter than GA is.

WorstThingUS

06-03-2009, 12:56 PM

Batman or Nightwing beating Slade in pure hand-to-hand combat is pure fanwank because Slade is a meta with all their skills (though to be honest Wally should have kicked his ass at every fight with the Titans). The depictions of Dick vs Slade have always been honest about this. His only goal was to survive, because winning in a straight up fight was out of the question. Batman tried it in the Deathstroke series and had his ass handed to him. I don't know if there are any extenuating circumstances to that scene posted, but it's silly to think Bruce just came in and out muscled him. Now, if he pulled a Green Arrow and out-thought him, that would be different, but in hand-to-hand he loses. Even Meltzer got it right with his Geo-Force vs. Deathstroke fight. Brion won through trickery, not power. When using just muscle it took the whole Batman family of Bruce, Dick and Tim to take him down in the deleted fight scene from Infinite Crisis.

Given that Morrison created Prometheus who also slapped Bruce down, I'm sure if he used Deathstroke he'd be equally honest and have any sort of victory coming from Dick outhinking Slade, not outfighting him.

Will44

06-03-2009, 01:27 PM

Is anyone else anxious to see if Deathstroke is going to be making any appearances in Batman titles now that Dick is under the cowl?

Back in the mid 90's when Deathstroke had his own ongoing title Batman appeared in a few issues and the story was some what decent. Now that they have him back in a villain role again though , it would be fun to read some more showdowns between the two.

I think that would be great to see. I wish Dudley Soames wasn't dead. He'd make a great villain. Maybe Morrison will revive him.

Jared

06-03-2009, 06:52 PM

It'd be interesting to see Slade realize that Dick is now Batman just from seeing him in action for a moment.

GHalecki

06-03-2009, 08:30 PM

Batman or Nightwing beating Slade in pure hand-to-hand combat is pure fanwank because Slade is a meta with all their skills (though to be honest Wally should have kicked his ass at every fight with the Titans). The depictions of Dick vs Slade have always been honest about this. His only goal was to survive, because winning in a straight up fight was out of the question. Batman tried it in the Deathstroke series and had his ass handed to him. I don't know if there are any extenuating circumstances to that scene posted, but it's silly to think Bruce just came in and out muscled him. Now, if he pulled a Green Arrow and out-thought him, that would be different, but in hand-to-hand he loses. Even Meltzer got it right with his Geo-Force vs. Deathstroke fight. Brion won through trickery, not power. When using just muscle it took the whole Batman family of Bruce, Dick and Tim to take him down in the deleted fight scene from Infinite Crisis.

Given that Morrison created Prometheus who also slapped Bruce down, I'm sure if he used Deathstroke he'd be equally honest and have any sort of victory coming from Dick outhinking Slade, not outfighting him.

Just the thought that GeoForce couldn't beat Deathstroke straight up is kind of silly. Sure Deathstroke is a Meta, but really, just barely. GeoForce once gave Superman a decent fight. But then again, how many times are we going to see Wolverine go toe to toe with Hulk, against all reason?

carabas

06-04-2009, 01:12 AM

Just the thought that GeoForce couldn't beat Deathstroke straight up is kind of silly. Sure Deathstroke is a Meta, but really, just barely. GeoForce once gave Superman a decent fight. But then again, how many times are we going to see Wolverine go toe to toe with Hulk, against all reason?
Deathstroke is basically Batman without the morals and with minor superpowers.
Batman routinely takes down people way above his weight class, up to and including Superman.

GHalecki

06-04-2009, 02:29 PM

That is all well and good, but as I said, in a straight up fight, Geo-FOrce should wipe the floor with Deathstroke.

Saying that he had to beat Slade through trickery implies that he wasn't powerful enough, and that is just stupid.

It is like saying that Superman had to Beat Batman through trickery.

One is tremendously powerful, and the other is tremendously smart.

When you have the guy that is way more powerful, yet nowhere near as smart, win through trickery just is a pretty dumb idea.

I mean, would you yave Thor beating Captain America by tricking him into falling off of a cliff? Of course not.