Favorite Star Trek captain?

[ChrisIII]

Any favorites from among the series? I've included Kirk and Pike twice, since they've now been played by two seperate actors, and the characters are different enough from each other now.
And yes, I'm aware that Spock, Scotty, and Riker were technically captains at points during the series too :)

Captain Kirk-The iconic captain from the original series and it's follow-up movies.

Captain Kirk-Pine's alternate universe version. More rebellious and cocky than his other self, but still has an aptitude for command.

Captain Picard-the Captain from Star Trek:The Next Generation. Older, More stern and uptight than Kirk, but still cool.

Captain Sisko-Although he didn't become a Captain until later seasons. Sort of was a messiah for the Bajoran people.

Captain Janeway-The first female captain in a lead role, from Star Trek voyager.

Captain Archer-The captain from Enterprise, and probably most controversial.

Captain Pike-Hunter version. Played by Jeffrey Hunter (The searchers, King of Kings) Pike was shown in "The Cage" to be a very agressive, but somewhat worn Captain. Hunter's Pike, although played by a different actor, was later injured in a space accident and confined to futuristic wheelchair where he could only beep in "The Menagerie".

Captain Pike-Greenwood version. Pike's dopelganger in the new timeline, the NuPike is similar to the Hunter version but has a different fate.


Captain Jellico-Really just ran out of spaces here, Jellico captained the Enterprise-D when Picard was on a secret mission-and later tortured-by Cardassians.


Others-Captain Calhoun (New frontier) Spock (In the movies) Scotty(In the movies) or anybody else you want to add.

[Dennis K]

Jean-Luc Picard

[Ilash]

Well, it's Kirk all the way. I'm giving it to Shatner, of course but Pine was great too.

[Nate Grey]

Always Sisko.

[Jmacq1]

I voted "other." Mackenzie Calhoun roolz!

Much love for Picard, Both Kirks, Greenwood-Pike, and Sisko, though.

But how dare you leave off Captain Robau?!?

[The Scarlet Sapien]

Very Hard to say. I could pick a favorite for today... But Over All? Deep Space Nine became the best written Trek with The Dominion Arc, In my Opinion. But, That's not really the question. I'll say Shatner Kirk

[The Confessor]

It's Kirk all the way for me and I'm giving it to Shatner because Shatner's the only Kirk as far as I'm concerned.

[DeadXMan]

Janeway. She was Kirk with breasts

seriouly, How can you not like a captian who frst course of action is to blow up the ship.

[Mike Pothier]

As much as I love Sisco, I grew up with Picard. He was the man. More stern, but not unkinder then Kirk, you knew this was a MILITARY captain. He took protocol seriously. He's the only captain I would be comfortable serving under.

[marshal99]

Kirk was a different kind of captain in a different era .He employed what Spock referred to as "cowboy diplomacy" which would never have been tolerated in picard's era.

Kirk played it fast and loose , Picard was more of a by the rulebook captain , Janeaway was even more so (though she broke all the rules when it suited her as evident by her future self) , Sisko does goes by protocol but he's a bit more flexible and tolerant since he himself does go up against federation protocol in his work as the emissary to the prophets from time to time.

All in all , i would say Picard since he's a great commander who knows how to lead.

[Optic Rage!]

Janeway get's a lot of hate...why?

I enjoyed Voyager, maybe its mainly because of Seven of Nine and the borg.

[spoon_jenkins]

Janeway get's a lot of hate...why?
Generally, I don't buy complaints about political correctness running amok, but Janeway is an exception. Janeway was a breakthrough as the first female captain to headline a Star Trek incarnation. It would have been cool if they developed her into a well-rounded character.

But instead of giving her a mix of strengths and weaknesses (like the past captains), I felt like the TPTB were on a mission to shove down our throats that Janeway was the greatest captain in the history of the universe. Picard was portrayed as a manager who would have to rely on the specific expertise of subordinate officers to some extent. In contrast, it seemed Janeway was portrayed as not just better at her own job, but better at everybody else's jobs than the officers that held those jobs. It bugged me when an engineering problem would crop up and Janeway would be the one to figure out the solution and tell B'Elanna Torres (who should have been the one to figure it out) exactly what to do.

Plus, Janeway's voice annoyed me.



The greatest captain is, of course, Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo)

[DeadXMan]

I see you captain juan-luc Picard
and raise you with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M63GVUAGc10

[Ontir]

Janeway get's a lot of hate...why?

I enjoyed Voyager, maybe its mainly because of Seven of Nine and the borg.

I think Mulgrew had a lot to overcome, from stepping in as the 2nd "Captain Janeway" when the show was already underway, to the flawed execution of a really interesting core concept which was: How does the army of utopia co-exist with the renegades they were meant to hunt and can they, out of necessity, manage their differences and return home? Once the Maquis put on Starfleet uniforms the show was screwed, and the focus of that mis-direction was the Captain's chair.

Additionally, as the 1st female Captain, they tried to make her a paragon, when she needed to be "Admiral Caine!"

[Cyke]

Always Sisko.

Damn right.

Honorable mention to Captain Sulu.

[Ontir]

Damn right.

Honorable mention to Captain Sulu.

DAMN RIGHT!

I loved Sulu as Captain of the Excelsior. I wish that they'd picked up on that after "Undiscovered Country." Bring Kirstie Alley back as 1st Officer Saavik and bring Christian Slater's character back for a bit of box-office draw.

[Cyke]

DAMN RIGHT!

I loved Sulu as Captain of the Excelsior. I wish that they'd picked up on that after "Undiscovered Country." Bring Kirstie Alley back as 1st Officer Saavik and bring Christian Slater's character back for a bit of box-office draw.

Do people still high five in the 23rd century? Hmm...

Anyway, about Janeway, my problem with her was how incredibly inconsistent she was. She would sternly lecture or punish her senior staff and then do the exact same crimes herself next episode. Even the prime directive or when she fought and when she didn't varied from time to time.

As an actress, Mulgrew was great, though. I blame the writers.

[Ontir]

If they don't, I'm bringing it back! :tongue:

Yeah, great actress, poor writing!

I saw her on Broadway in Equus last October. She was quite good.

[The Black Guardian]

What?! No Captain Sulu?

You. Are. A. Homophobe!

Seriously, it's all about the Shatner.

[Ontir]

I think it was actually far less homophobia than Shatner. Wants. To. Continue. To. Get. A. Paycheck. From. Star. Trek. For. As. Long. As. Poss. Ih. Bul.

[Deathstroke]

I went with Captain Benjamin Lafayette Sisko

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/92/BenSisko.jpg/250px-BenSisko.jpg

[ultramandingo]

..........evil kirk !

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1336/trekmirrormirror17.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trekmirrormirror17.jpg)

[Ontir]

Evil Kirk was great!

[Solaris01]

It's Kirk all the way for me and I'm giving it to Shatner because Shatner's the only Kirk as far as I'm concerned.


:biggrin: Well I really enjoyed Pine as a young Kirk, BUT Shat IS MY Capt. Kirk. :cool:


I also love Picard, Janeway, Sisko (and movie Pike was quite good), but Capt. Kirk is #1 to me. It just is.

[Knightmare27]

Picard is my pick he was awesome and the most interesting IMO. I would follow him in to battle anyday(but not in a red shirt).

[Jared]

Do people still high five in the 23rd century? Hmm...

Anyway, about Janeway, my problem with her was how incredibly inconsistent she was. She would sternly lecture or punish her senior staff and then do the exact same crimes herself next episode. Even the prime directive or when she fought and when she didn't varied from time to time.


Same problem here. Whereas Kirk, Sisko, and Picard had well-defined traits so that you could (usually) predict broadly how they'd each handle the same situation differently, Janeway was all over the place. One day she's Ellen Ripley, the next she's Lisa Simpson.

We should really count Sisko as two people. Bald, bearded, bad-ass Captain Sisko beats out clean-shaven Commander Sisko.

Anyway, I go with Original Kirk. He knew that sometimes
Picard would make a fine diplomat or a "pure" explorer, but those are only two jobs the many jobs of a Starfleet Captain. Maybe he's a product of his time, but he had the Prime Directive wedged so far up his ass it's a wonder he could sit down. Kirk was better at doing what's right as oppossed to what's in the regulations.

[Infernorhythm]

Sisko, definitely. He always felt more "real" than any of the others.

Although, Robaeu was pretty awesome for the five minutes he got in Star Trek. Faran Tahir just exuded awesome in that scene.

[Riddles_McMurphy]

I voted for Captain Kirk-The iconic captain from the original series and it's follow-up movies, lover of hundreds of alien women.

[KandouErik]

Captain Sisko. The crap he had to put up with, and still put on a good diplomatic front, showed what a great Captain he was.

[Cyke]

Although, Robaeu was pretty awesome for the five minutes he got in Star Trek. Faran Tahir just exuded awesome in that scene.

Robau was just one of those captains with built-in testicular fortitude (Really, Papa Kirk couldn't have saved all those people without Robau stalling for time). He and Movie Pike were pretty great as captains, a far cry from those guest captains who popped up only to make the heroes look good.

[mrvsop]

Picard is the man.

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!

http://i43.tinypic.com/11smp1l.jpg

[ultramandingo]

Evil Kirk was great!

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5281/evilkirk.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evilkirk.jpg)

[jade_nova]

Sisko he took nothing from no one.

[stealthwise]

Sisko went from commander of a space station to badass captain of station and the USS Defiant, brokered peace between warring planets, served as ambassador to a whole other quadrant, prophet and single father. And he got none until near the end of the series.

Sisko was the man, he even made it look cool to like baseball.

[Norrin Radd]

I voted Kirk, but on second thought, I like Picard because he subverted expectations of what a great starship captain should look like or act like.

[Kirayoshi]

Sisko went from commander of a space station to badass captain of station and the USS Defiant, brokered peace between warring planets, served as ambassador to a whole other quadrant, prophet and single father. And he got none until near the end of the series.

Sisko was the man, he even made it look cool to like baseball.
Sisko was the captain who had the toughest role, being pretty much dead center amid both the Maquis and the Dominion. He was capable of making tough choices ("In the Pale Moonlight") and living with them, because literally there was no one else who could make those choices.

But what really won me over was the fact that he had a cool relationship with his son. One of my favorite eps involved him constructing a replica of an ancient Bajoran solar sailing vessel, and he and Jake piloted the ship in an effort to prove that ancient Bajoran astronauts could use the vessel to reach the Cardassian border. It was Kon-Tiki in space and it was just fun!

[x_goalkeeper]

Picard is the one I am familiar with most..

[Siddon]

I grew up with Picard, and I enjoyed Sisko but I just finished watching the first 12 Kirk episodes and man is he just awesome. Kirk is maybe one of the coolest characters in science fiction ever.

[ChrisIII]

Do'h, forgot Sulu! Although technically Spock and Scotty were captains too (Although Chechov might have been promoted in Generations). Then again Sulu got enough of a spotlight in Star Trek VI and that Voyager episode that I should have included him...

[Jack]

God, difficult question. TNG got me into Star Trek, so in many ways Picard is my Captain, but DS9 was the best series, so does that mean Sisko was the best Captain?

I want to say Sisko, but is that just because I loved DS9 so much?

[malephoenix]

God, difficult question. TNG got me into Star Trek, so in many ways Picard is my Captain, but DS9 was the best series, so does that mean Sisko was the best Captain?

I want to say Sisko, but is that just because I loved DS9 so much?

Exactly. DS9 was by far the best series in my opinion, but that wasn't the question, and I wasn't going to vote for him just out of dedication to the series. So I voted for NewKirk, who was pretty much just written to be the best captain. (But then again, I'd argue that they were all essentially written to be better than their predecessors. Whatever.)

[marvell2100]

Kirk is the greatest Captain of any universe! Sisko is my second. Ryker was a punk!

[RachelRules]

I know it's been done. And actually, it's probably been done on this forum but I've only discovered the forums in the last few months and would be interested in knowing people's thoughts.

So . . . who's the best Star Trek Captain and why?

I gotta go with Jean-Luc. Unlike the hot-headed Kirk, Jean-Luc was a diplomat, though, when pushed, he could be just as deadly. Besides, he's got the British accent. Nothing says authority like that.

[Dennis K]

I've never been a big fan of the original series but never missed an episode of TNG so it's Picard for me!

[Ziggy Stardust]

Picard was not a captain. He was a chairman who could not make a decision without asking his entire staff for their input.

KIRK is a true Captain.

[Lord of Denial]

Picard

Level headed and patient, a capable diplomat and even warrior when needed as well as wise enough to defer to others in matters where he lacks knowledge or experience.

[Jeff-E]

I followed Star Trek from TNG on, and have seen some episodes of TOS. However (and I know I'm pretty much alone) for my money Janeway was the bomb yo'. She was a little more eager than Kirk to negotiate, but she had fewer reservations about firing on an opponent than Picard. She lead her ship from the delta quad back home, and did a decent enough job at it. I'm a Voyager fan, so I gotta back my girl Janeway.

[Shellhead]

Kirk was a violent, lusty barbarian.

[Lord of Denial]

Picard was not a captain. He was a chairman who could not make a decision without asking his entire staff for their input.

KIRK is a true Captain.

May you never be let near any type of ship, ever.

[Legato]

I have always liked Picard more. With Kirk I just felt that he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did without Spock.

[wrecksracer]

I want action, not a flute playing softie. Boldly Go Where No Man Has Been Before......not carefully consider it, then act....

[Lord of Denial]

I want action, not a flute playing softie. Boldly Go Where No Man Has Been Before......not carefully consider it, then act....

The question is BEST captain, not most exciting.

Kirk was not a captain I would want to be under the command of.

[Jeff-E]

In the time everyone was argueing about Picard, and Kirk, Janeway targeted their weapons, and engines fired and crippled their ships. :biggrin:

[Legato]

I still dont get all the fuss behind the hate that Janeway had during Voyager. Was it the fact that she was the first female captain of enterprise or something? The hate that she got from the Trekkies was unreal

[Nate Grey]

Sisko. Always Sisko. :cool:

[StoneGold]

The best spaceship commanders are always Canadian. Preferably Canadian Jews.


Shatner and Lorne Greene be up in the muthafuggin hizouse.

[Jeff-E]

I still dont get all the fuss behind the hate that Janeway had during Voyager. Was it the fact that she was the first female captain of enterprise or something? The hate that she got from the Trekkies was unreal

I've seen more people give her and Voyager hell cause of (what I call) the curve more than anything. Each Star Trek show 1up'd the last incarnation. TNG had and did things miles above and beyond TOS, DS9 did the same, and VOY for the most part up'd them. I.e. bone lock's on transporting someone, mass replicator use, tri-cobalt devices, so by the end of the shows even though Voyager was much smaller it almost ended up being on-par with the Enterprise the way it was portrayed.

[Nate Grey]

I've seen more people give her and Voyager hell cause of (what I call) the curve more than anything. Each Star Trek show 1up'd the last incarnation. TNG had and did things miles above and beyond TOS, DS9 did the same, and VOY for the most part up'd them. I.e. bone lock's on transporting someone, mass replicator use, tri-cobalt devices, so by the end of the shows even though Voyager was much smaller it almost ended up being on-par with the Enterprise the way it was portrayed.

And where have you gone to "see" this, that more people gave Voyager hell cause of the "curve"? I'm curious, since you seem to know, what exactly puts Voyager over Deep Space Nine?

Most of the things Voyager as a whole did was nonsensical, even by trek standards (you cite the "bone lock" transportation as if that's an example of the opposite). Crewmen appearing/disappearing with no in-story reason: we saw the Bajoran crewman ONCE just to add some brevity to the Crell Marset (evil Cardaissian scientist) hologram story (Voy's "Nothing Human"), and what happened to Ransom's integrated crew again (end of Voy's "Equinox part 2")? Janeway jettison them out the airlock between episodes?

No sense of continuity, even given the format; putting over too much the wrong crewman (we know more about weasel Paris than Chakotay); betraying its own premise of being in the wilderness with nothing with becoming the Janeway and Seven show; the Doctor, being LESS sophisticated than Data but somehow getting for more upgrades than Data ever could...

But lets talk about Janeway. How she got a promotion instead of being court martialed when she got home has always boggled my mind. "Equinox" parts 1 and 2 are perfect examples of this. The worst example Sisko has ever did was being complicit to murder after the fact: he told Garak to help him get the Romulans to enter the Dominion war, not realizing Garak would commit murder to get it done. But since it worked, Sisko kept quiet about it (DS9's "In The Pale Moonlight"). Janeway was more than willing to commit murder just to get even with a rogue starfleet captain. Even relieved Chakotay of duty when he objected to it, and came close to doing the same to Tuvok for the same reason. Never answered for it, never saw the error of her ways. Allowed her entire crew to be made CLONES of (Voy's "Demon"), which was a HUGE violation of the Prime Directive. Not only were the species pre-warp, they were freakin' pre-sentient. They got a HUGE evolution leap thanks to Janeway, which meant all of starfleet's secrets, which meant if the wrong alien species conquered them, THEY'D have starfleet's secrets, too. We, the audience, know they eventually died (Voy's "Operation: Oblivion"), but for all Janeway knows, they're still out there in the Delta Quadrant.

And finally, she killed Tuvix: though that's a matter of debate, he was still a being, a person, who now no longer exists.

So no, I don't think its, from the sound of what you were saying, some form of jealousy that folks hate/dislike Voyager in comparison to the other Treks. Voyager had everything staked in its FAVOR but the two fools running it (Berman and Braga) pissed it all away for recycled TNG eps and Borg stories. It had nothing to call its own (TNG had Q and the Borg, DS9 had the Dominion, Founders, et al, Voyager had...um, the Borg, apparently) and was contradictory with Janeway's behavior to the point that she was essentially a criminal and a coup should have been staged at least once. Which technically should have happened the first season having a marquis first officer and all.

[Shellhead]

I still dont get all the fuss behind the hate that Janeway had during Voyager. Was it the fact that she was the first female captain of enterprise or something? The hate that she got from the Trekkies was unreal

I got really bored with her Katherine Hepburn impersonation.

[Nate Grey]

I got really bored with her Katherine Hepburn impersonation.

What's funny is I didn't have much of a problem with Mulgrew's acting style, though I can kinda see that a little Hepburn in Janeway now that you mention it.

[Jeff-E]

And where have you gone to "see" this, that more people gave Voyager hell cause of the "curve"? I'm curious, since you seem to know, what exactly puts Voyager over Deep Space Nine?

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lol, first everyone chill, no offense was meant. I perfer Voyager, you obviously don't. Polls are a matter of opinion. But some of the things I listed were examples of what I hear people going off on about Voyager thats all. As far as the curve goes, its more the "level" of technology and situations that dictate it. Generations (the movie) is an example of this. First sign of a coolant leak and everyone gets off the enterprise, yet if this happens in DS9 or Voyager, some engineer comes up with some new and exciting way to fix it. Thats what the curve is. So people sit back and say, what the hell, engineer x (doesn't matter if its Gordi, or Scotty, or B'Lanna or whomever) couldn't fix that problem but this jerkstore can? WTF??

As far as crew members go, Voyager had 130something crew members after the deaths in the first episode, so some would come and go or not be seen again, kind of like the series Lost. They had a large enough crew I thought this was pretty self explanitory. I was in no way shape or form slamming any other incarnation of Trek, I enjoy them all, I just liked Voyager best. For me PERSONALLY it was kind of a combo of TOS and TNG, it was more exploration again but with the TNG tech, that could always be randomly upgraded to fit a story, just like the other incarnations.

And Voyager had its villains, the Kazon in the first few seasons, species 8472, the Hirogen (though they can't decide on how big they were), yes, the Borg, (though I think ratings and the fans had alot to do with them reappearing so often). But I always thought the biggest foe of Voyager was supposed to be the interaction of the characters in their situation. 130something strangers from very different walks of life thrown across the galaxy and forced to work together with minimal chances of making it home... just sayin'

[Nate Grey]

lol, first everyone chill, no offense was meant. I perfer Voyager, you obviously don't. Polls are a matter of opinion. But some of the things I listed were examples of what I hear people going off on about Voyager thats all.

No offense taken, but you started off stating as a matter of fact that you've heard other people say these things. I'm asking where, is all. Of all the things I've heard in defense of Voyager, that's the first I've heard of a curve or, as you described it, jealously.

As far as the curve goes, its more the "level" of technology and situations that dictate it. Generations (the movie) is an example of this. First sign of a coolant leak and everyone gets off the enterprise, yet if this happens in DS9 or Voyager, some engineer comes up with some new and exciting way to fix it. Thats what the curve is. So people sit back and say, what the hell, engineer x (doesn't matter if its Gordi, or Scotty, or B'Lanna or whomever) couldn't fix that problem but this jerkstore can? WTF??

That's the nature of Trek and one of the things I didn't hold against Voyager. Well, save for that bone lock thing. That was too silly for me. And the break warp 10 = turn into a salamander ep ("Threshold"). Oh, right, and Neelix's cheese infecting the gel packs. An engineer is supposed to come up with essentially "magic" to fix problems. Scotty was using hyperbole but was also kinda on point, when he told Ghordi that captains are like children in that they want their problems solved asap, especially when it comes to engineering. And I could be wrong, but I think O'Brian said he always overshoots it so when the captain UNDERshoots it, it'll be right where it needs to be. I.e., O'Brian says he can fix the problem in 15 minutes, the captain says you have 10 minutes.

As for DS9, being a space station, they didn't have to deal with coolant problems, and the Defiant often overgunned itself but that didn't have to do with the coolant. Do you have any examples in regards to DS9?

As far as crew members go, Voyager had 130something crew members after the deaths in the first episode, so some would come and go or not be seen again, kind of like the series Lost. They had a large enough crew I thought this was pretty self explanitory.

Other way around, actually, because their crew was LESS then 130 it would have been more likely to have seen more of them. Especially when an episode (again, "Equinox part 2") makes it a point that they'd be a part of the crew but would have to start from scratch and without rank. And after Janeway being gung ho about trying to KILL Ransom's men earlier, seeing a crew member or two of Ransom's old crew couldn't have hurt. The one ep it made sense was "The Good Shephard", cause the crewmen it centered around made it a point to try to get by undetected.

I was in no way shape or form slamming any other incarnation of Trek, I enjoy them all, I just liked Voyager best. For me PERSONALLY it was kind of a combo of TOS and TNG, it was more exploration again but with the TNG tech, that could always be randomly upgraded to fit a story, just like the other incarnations.

That's fine, you like what you like, but it sounds like you're mostly talking about everything but DS9, but including DS9 all the same. You said "TNG had and did things miles above and beyond TOS, DS9 did the same, and VOY for the most part up'd them", but what examples do you have of Voyager upping DS9?

DS9's biggest fault, if you can call it that, is that it was episodic: unlike Voy or TNG, you kinda had to follow one ep to the other to understand what was going on. It required that much from the viewer. Even the fluff stories usually pushed the story along. So I'm wondering, did you watch DS9 intermittently or all the way through, through all seven seasons?

[Stony]

I know it's been done. And actually, it's probably been done on this forum but I've only discovered the forums in the last few months and would be interested in knowing people's thoughts.

Please do a Search before starting new threads.
Thank you.

[TShark82]

Jean Luc Picard.