Supergirl: No Panties Please.

[zebop]

In an interview, Supergirl artist Jamal Igle had a directive issued from editor Matt Idelson: When It comes to Supergirl the very first conversation I had with Matt Idelson He said, 'I don't want to see Supergirl's panties ever again,' and I agreed

Which leads me to wonder, if you don't want Supergirl's panties showing why put her in a costume that emphasizes it?

No word on whether Power Girl will fill in her cleavage window.

[KET]

n an interview, Supergirl artist Jamal Igle had a directive issued from editor Matt Idelson: When It comes to Supergirl the very first conversation I had with Matt Idelson He said, 'I don't want to see Supergirl's panties ever again,' and I agreed[/QUOTE]


Works for me. I have to heartily comend Igle for trying to make SG more respectible appearance-wise. Wish DC would have used some of his other costume redesign ideas as well (such as bringing back the red skirt and covering up the midriff).


Which leads me to wonder, if you don't want Supergirl's panties showing why put her in a costume that emphasizes it?

Wasn't Igle's call at the time; blame Michael Turner for the hideous wardrobe travesty that is SG's current costume.


No word on whether Power Girl will fill in her cleavage window.

What, and transform PG into a superheroine even MORE GENERIC than she already is?? :biggrin:

[Pedrocas]

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m213/Pedrocas_pt/Lixo%20Animado/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif

[md62]

I agree that the panty shots are ridiculous. I wish they would get rid of the midriff baring costume since it is no longer in fashion anyway. My favorite Supergirl costume was the 70's one where she wore shorts & a V necked shirt with her cape but that is also out of style. Bringing back her original traditional costume would be OK with me.

[MythicBrawn]

Some of them are necessary, but the gratuitous ones definitely should be eliminated. But, if her outfit is good enough for cheerleaders then it should be good enough for a superhero to wear into battle.

[bfrank]

I miss the hot pants:frown:

[KET]

Some of them are necessary, but the gratuitous ones definitely should be eliminated. But, if her outfit is good enough for cheerleaders then it should be good enough for a superhero to wear into battle.

So CHEERLEADERS set the standard for superheroine wear these days? Since WHEN do cheerleaders fight crime? :biggrin:

[KET]

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m213/Pedrocas_pt/Lixo%20Animado/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif

Imagination doesn't need pictures. :rolleyes:

[The Black Guardian]

If she's going to insist upon wearing the stupid miniskirt, then there needs to be a panty shot in every single panel... even the ones she doesn't appear in.

She's dressed in a freaking cheerleader outfit. She's supposed to show off her panties.

[KET]

I miss the hot pants:frown:


I liked them back in the disco 70s, but that fan-generated outfit had become horribly dated by the time DC finally nixed it (in favor of something new for the movie, which wasn't used anyway).

[Crowforge]

I like, no love Renato Guedes's version of supergirl. That's just perfect.

[Eumenides]

It's sad this has to be a editorial mandate, though. I'd expect adults would just realise how sexist it is and refrain from flashing her panties without being specifically told not to do so.

But it's a start.

But no one gets anything for nothing. So which female character is going to be raped, tortured, dismembered or humiliated next week to maintain the cosmic balance?

[RolandJP]

Kryptonian fabric is amazing.

Or so I heard.

[Crowforge]

Wait this is an editorial mandate?

[Mia]

Some of them are necessary, but the gratuitous ones definitely should be eliminated. But, if her outfit is good enough for cheerleaders then it should be good enough for a superhero to wear into battle.

I agree. I never thought she was wearing panties though. I just thought that they were short shorts.

[Ontir]

If the issue is gratuitous panty shots, that's one thing, but showing that she's wearing them, especially post-Britney, is relevant. If you don't want the panties shown, put her in a pair of pants. The skirt is an odd choice, especially for a character who flies under her own steam.

That said, I can't believe there's a "super-vag" thread.

[Sabrinaset]

Supergirl without panties ... this sounds like a mandate from much higher up, like from Time-Warner. They're probably planning another Supergirl movie, starring either Paris, Lindsey, or Britney.

[Mia]

Supergirl without panties ... this sounds like a mandate from much higher up, like from Time-Warner. They're probably planning another Supergirl movie, starring either Paris, Lindsey, or Britney.

Sacrilige! I should cut out your togue for those suggestions!

[zebop]

On the serious tip, let's face it: this incarnation of Supergirl was always rocking a Britney Spears sweet, but sleazy look. After all this time for DC to dictate no panty shots is like locking the barn after the horse has been stolen. Been there and seen that.

It's a dumb costume. Right up there with Red Sonja and Phantom Lady. It's pure cheesecake and it's meant to be sexist as hell. Let's not kid ourselves about why Supergirl flies around flaunting her Abs of Steel and providing an interesting view for anyone flying behind her.

Good girl art lives. Same as it ever was. :rolleyes:

[_OM_]

In an interview, Supergirl artist Jamal Igle had a directive issued from editor Matt Idelson: When It comes to Supergirl the very first conversation I had with Matt Idelson He said, 'I don't want to see Supergirl's panties ever again,' and I agreed.

...Matt's just being a g00ber. Jim Mooney and Kurt Schaffenburger(*) drew the pre-Crisis Kara's clothes *last* after drawing her body on Bristol for over two decades, and that never harmed either of them or the readers. Besides, if you quit showing Kara's panties, then you have to be fair and stop showing Power Girl's boobs. Although I suspect I know where Amanda Connor would tell you where to shove that idea :biggrin:

(*) Can't speak for Mike Sekowsky, but I'm sure Kurt Busiek will no doubt know the answer :tongue: :tongue:

On the serious tip, let's face it: this incarnation of Supergirl was always rocking a Britney Spears sweet, but sleazy look.

...Are you kidding? For all her insanity and obvious habits, Britney was never that anorexic, which is how Michael Turner drew all of his women. That's why I love what Jamal's done to Kara, in that he actually put some meat on her bones in the right places. Prior to his arrival, you wanted to take her to the nearest Pancho's Mexican Buffet and force her to all-she-could-eat for her own good, then follow up with two cases of Joe Weider Weight Bars for dessert, and repeat the process three times daily for a month. :biggrin:

It's a dumb costume. Right up there with Red Sonja and Phantom Lady. It's pure cheesecake and it's meant to be sexist as hell. Let's not kid ourselves about why Supergirl flies around flaunting her Abs of Steel and providing an interesting view for anyone flying behind her.

...Oh what the frack? Let's have another contest where the fans submit new costume ideas, just like they did during her Adventure run. I wish I had a copy of that cover to post, because some of those costumes submitted were actually quite good, while a few of them - especially one that looked like a fracking business suit! - were so hokey that they made Annie Hall look she'd been decked out by Halston or Bob Mackey.

Heh, my submission would have her in a Leeloo belt dress, with s-shields covering her nipples and mons venus

That SG needs to go on Atkins, cut out the sugar and do an hour of cardio a day.

...Regardless of what the fashion magazines would love for us to believe, Heroin Chic is not attractive. Women who are skinny enough that you can use their legs to pick your teeth with, or wrap your arm around their waist three times, or make Olive Oyl look like Roseanne Barr, are *NOT* superheroine material visual-wise. Maybe if you're doing a story on Earth-Genderswap featuring Ralphina Dibny, the Elongated Woman, I'll acquiesce to the possibility, but for Supergirl? No. Fracking. Way. As I said, Jamal's finally made her healthy-looking again, and that's what's kept the book on my pull list when I should have dumped it with the first issue!

She should go commando.

...Hey, one question for you kids about your slang: can you clarify what you mean by "go commando"? Meaning no panties at all?

If the issue is gratuitous panty shots, that's one thing

That said, I can't believe there's a "super-vag" thread.

...Two points:

1) Outside of Amanda Waller and Ma Kent, show me one female in the DCU who, when depicted, doesn't have at least one panel where the artist attempts to show the reader the "early morning dew". Like it or not, "good girl art" sells comics to the target market, which happens to be heterosexual males with at least a halfway-decent sex drive.

2) What I can't figure out is a) why it took two pages before someone posted at least a link to a pic, and b) why nobody's brought up the old "curtains & drapes" questions. :-/

[Mon-el]

...Oh what the frack? Let's have another contest where the fans submit new costume ideas, just like they did during her Adventure run. I wish I had a copy of that cover to post, because some of those costumes submitted were actually quite good, while a few of them - especially one that looked like a fracking business suit! - were so hokey that they made Annie Hall look she'd been decked out by Halston or Bob Mackey.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Mon-el/Superman/98_4_0397-1.jpg

[TROUBLEZ]

Which leads me to wonder, if you don't want Supergirl's panties showing why put her in a costume that emphasizes it?



Because originally, back in the era where Supergirl was first created, skirts were all the fashion and pants not so much.
Flash forward to the present, and DC is on a retro trip and wants all the iconic characters, histories and looks back.
Therefore, they want a recognizable Supergirl. Sounds reasonable to me.

[Shawn Hopkins]

That's always been one of the things that's been a turnoff for me about the latest incarnation of Supergirl. She went beyond sexy to sex object, like someone's idealized vision of a teen porn star with blond hair, bare midriff, short skirt, smoldering eyes and impossible proportions and thinness even by comic book standards and then beyond the design they seemed to go out of their way to fit in panty shots or sexy poses or get her out of her clothes some way. It made for good wank material, I guess, but it made it harder to tell stories about her where she seemed more like a real character and not a series of pinup images.

It was funny to see the creators bend over backward to try to defend this version on the Smallville Season Seven DVD extras, trying to sell an audience that has no experience with the conventions of good girl comic book art that it's okay with flimsy excuses like saying all the teenage girls are running around showing their midriffs and butts nowadays. And making sexy poses, I guess, too, by their logic.

All that said, I don't even think those are panties. They're like a cheerleader's spankies and they are supposed to show. It's all in the way you present it, though.

[Michael P]

I'm sorry, but -- Well, no, I'm not sorry, because my position is completely rational. I don't buy the argument that Supergirl's costume necessitates panty shots. Artists managed to draw the original Supergirl for about thirty years, and the Post-Crisis Supergirl for about 15, without showing us her underwear. If all of a sudden today's artists can't go an issue without an upskirt shot, then that says more about the artists than it does the costume.

[mgs]

Well, I voted to get rid of 'em, but in context, let's face it, if, irl, a girl wears a skirt so short that it shows off her undies, let's just say that she gets a reputation.

So, is she a 'slut'? (apologies to bb on this)

[_OM_]

So, is she a 'slut'? (apologies to bb on this)

...It depends(*). As I've always understood the definition, if she charges for it, she's a ho. If she gives it up for free, she's a slut. Which brings us back to whether this version of Kara is a virgin or not, natch. :cool:

(*) Considering the topic of this thread, that's no pun intended, kids :tongue:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Mon-el/Superman/98_4_0397-1.jpg

...BINGO! That's the one! Boy, have fashion styles changed or what? Note the one in the upper dead center that looks like some ersatz business suit - I can see Gloria Steinem supporting that one! - while the one on the far left screams "Future Nazi Supergirl" with those goosestepper boots! I'm really surprised that we haven't seen those costumes recycled in the group shots of Kandor!

[Mainline]

I like, no love Renato Guedes's version of supergirl. That's just perfect.I agree. When her bloomers are modest and her overall look realistic, "panty shots" are fine... they're simply the unavoidable consequence of her costume choice and to be treated with a straight-face just as Wonder Woman's costume largely is. When the "panty shot" is done expressly to titillate and sexualize a minor (like in the Benes rendition)... that deserves an editorial mandate.

That might seem like an unworkable subjective line, but it's not far off from most decency / dress-code laws and city ordinances. As a matter of equal protection, for example, women are entitled to be as topless as men are in most cities... but their activity becomes unlawful if done to titillate, no pun intended.

[paulski]

Man, I thought this thread title meant something altogether different... :wink:

Carry on.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Seriously, she flies through the air wearing a skirt. I don't think she's a major exhibitionist, so she must consider her bloomers part of her costume and not something that she doesn't want anyone to see. If we see then incidentally, then, I agree there's no real problem with this. It's when it's treated like an upskirt shot and clearly posed for people to perv out over that it starts to get icky.

[Kage Kisaragi]

there are so many other ways to show off Power Girls impressive globes, its ridiculous, in fact its the butt of most jokes. Hell I think her first issue made use of her "Globes" twice in one issue. I hope they do it atleast twice per issue or at least 3 times per story arc.

As far as Supergirl goes, I stopped caring after Kelly left the book, to which I don't remember seeing Churchill drawing nearly any panty shots at all. In fact where are these panty shots since I stopped reading after Kelly left.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Seriously, she flies through the air wearing a skirt. I don't think she's a major exhibitionist, so she must consider her bloomers part of her costume and not something that she doesn't want anyone to see. If we see then incidentally, then, I agree there's no real problem with this. It's when it's treated like an upskirt shot and clearly posed for people to perv out over that it starts to get icky.

the thing was, she wore shorts under her skirt (at least when that other artist took over she did, that is to say after Palmilotte or whatever his name is) from another angle you could say that whatever looks like panties under their is most likely the underwear part of her costume which would mean there is no more panty shots than what Wonder Woman or Zantanna/Black Canary show when they are out fighting crime. The only reason she even wore a skirt is because th original young teenage heroines from the past all wore them, Mary Marvel, Original Supergirl.. and so on. In some scenes you have to expect that if their is any form oh physics in the DCU then at any point unless the angel is always from above, you will see her underpants.

What about female gym shorts? Do those constitute as pantsy now too?

[WorstThingUS]

The need to put her into something functional, period. If you've ever had the misfortune to see My Super Ex-Girlfriend, you know what happens when you land wearing a skirt. Like so many female comic book costumes you have no idea how stupidly sexist (not to mention outright slutty) it is until you see it in real life.

[Ontir]

...Hey, one question for you kids about your slang: can you clarify what you mean by "go commando"? Meaning no panties at all?

It actually means "no underwear" as guys are generally the ones who "go commando."

...Two points:

1) Outside of Amanda Waller and Ma Kent, show me one female in the DCU who, when depicted, doesn't have at least one panel where the artist attempts to show the reader the "early morning dew". Like it or not, "good girl art" sells comics to the target market, which happens to be heterosexual males with at least a halfway-decent sex drive.

I'm not a heterosexual, so I don't really keep track of these things, but I'm not generally eager to see up-skirt panels.

2) What I can't figure out is a) why it took two pages before someone posted at least a link to a pic, and b) why nobody's brought up the old "curtains & drapes" questions. :-/

I'm glad it did.

[joemagnum611]

Is this really a big deal?

[jediracer]

I think they are making a mountain out of a molehill

[Mat001]

Jamal Igle's issue stems from the fact that while she is a fictional character, Kara Zor-El is a minor. This is why he was grateful for the chance to adjust her outfit when he took over. So that's why this is going on. Artists such as Michael Turner and to a lesser degree Ian Churchill have played Kara up as being overtly sexy despite her young age. Gary Frank, Barry Kitson, Renato Guedes, Pete Woods and Jamal Igle have made her look more age appropriate.

[zebop]

I don't so much mind super-heroines in silly costumes, but when guys like Idelson express "shock and awe" at the gratuitous shots of Supergirl's undies, I can't swallow the hypocrisy.

Such as...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3IfqL9DOqoo/SUhBSjl_JwI/AAAAAAAAEdE/PPGiNO1f0jU/s400/jsa_cv25.jpg

Who's gonna tell Alex Ross to draw Mary Marvel so we're not humming, "I see England, I see France, I see Mary's...."

And instead of out fighting crime if Supergirl is going to be dressed like THIS:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HDLEycm-LIE/RkZ84VfKWJI/AAAAAAAABoU/-oLPJSLE0vw/s400/supergirl.jpg

Shouldn't she be hanging upside down on a pole and trade in the red boots for a pair of glass stilettos?

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube and frankly it's a waste of time to even try. Either give Kara a new costume or live with the fact it serves no practical purpose other than to cater to the upskirt porn crowd.

[DarkCrisis]

I never thought of them as panties but more like powergirls outfit. Or Wonder Womans Its like a ballot dancers thing. Or a swimsuit bottoms. Or whatever.

She just wears a skirt with it as well.

[WorstThingUS]

Now this is perfect:

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2008/04/supergirl%20yellow%20bg.jpg

After all, not every teenage girl wants to present herself as a sex object. It's just grown men like presenting teenage girls as sex objects. And I loved this series. I can't wait to be able to give the trade to my younger female relatives who are starting to become interested in comics.

[dan bailey]

I loved the Cosmic Adventures mini as well. I wonder if there's been any thought of an ongoing?

Who's gonna tell Alex Ross to draw Mary Marvel so we're not humming,

Unfortunately, since Mr Ross mistook himself for God some time ago, it's pretty clear that no one's gonna tell him anything. The cover Mary Marvel in question wasn't even the same as the Mary Marvel in the comic, but His Royal Highness has made it clear he's going to draw the characters the way he wants. God forbid anyone at DC tell him anything other than how utterly wonderful he is.

[Hypestyle]

keep supergirl's costume as is.. though for what its worth I thought the animated series outfit was hot..

[christoph68]

uh have people forgot that although kara was put into her rocket at about age 17 she was also stuck in suspended animation for years and is actually older than superman?:tongue:

[G. Wayne]

Now this is perfect:

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2008/04/supergirl%20yellow%20bg.jpg
....

Yell at any kids to get off your lawn recently? :tongue:

[Vic Vega]

Supergirl wore hot pants in the 70's. A mini-skirt isn't any more salacious. Besides the skirt she is wearing now is not THAT much shorter than the one she wore in the 60's. Or the one Linda Slater ran around in for the movie.

The only difference now is that the character is meant to be sexy.

But then again this version of Supergirl is 17-18. Presenting a 15 year old Supergirl in the same manner would be problematic.

[dreyga2000]

I agree panty shots seem unessary... I must add most real teenage girls do in fact wear shirts, quite often in fact.... There's nothing inherently odd or sexist about it....

[Solaris01]

Supergirl without panties ... this sounds like a mandate from much higher up, like from Time-Warner. They're probably planning another Supergirl movie, starring either Paris, Lindsey, or Britney.

http://www.darthvader1.com/pics_pictures_photos_images/darth_vader_sith_lords_14.jpg

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!


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[Retro315]

...It depends(*). As I've always understood the definition, if she charges for it, she's a ho. If she gives it up for free, she's a slut. Which brings us back to whether this version of Kara is a virgin or not, natch. :cool:

(*) Considering the topic of this thread, that's no pun intended, kids :tongue:

...BINGO! That's the one! Boy, have fashion styles changed or what? Note the one in the upper dead center that looks like some ersatz business suit - I can see Gloria Steinem supporting that one! - while the one on the far left screams "Future Nazi Supergirl" with those goosestepper boots! I'm really surprised that we haven't seen those costumes recycled in the group shots of Kandor!

I think the irony is that the original costume she's wearing on that cover is actually really aesthetically appealing. Simple ... feminine ... not especially "bare all" ... and kind of cute, like a girl in a sun-dress and knee-high boots that don't quite match.

(Side note: This cover totally had to be the inspiration for Morrison's Final Crisis scene where Supergirl had sketchpads full of "new costume design" ideas all over the place)

But ultimately, (although I agree that a lot of it has got to have something to do with artists not being able to resist upskirt style angles), I think it comes down to short skirts being widely acceptable today amongst girls.

We had a rule at my high school ... a girl could wear a short skirt as long as arms, straightened out to her sides, her fingers were level with the bottom hem line of the skirt. Which seemed, generally, to be long enough that a girl sitting down at a lunchroom table or desk wasn't doing so for our viewing pleasure ... but they were still short skirts, and still pretty attractive.

[ZNOP]

Well if the argument is to nix the Supergirl's pantie shots -- I want all of the male "package" bulges done away with as well.

[_OM_]

Well if the argument is to nix the Supergirl's pantie shots -- I want all of the male "package" bulges done away with as well.

...And while we're at it, let's totally emasculate and depenisize all the dogs in the DCU, because I don't want to see Krypto's wanker dangling between his legs, or him hiking his leg to cut down a lightpost with a stream of pee.

(Say, did anyone notice that dog avatar in this week's "Oracle: The Cure"? That may be the first time DC has ever allowed a dog to actually take a piss on-panel in a code-approved book!)

(Side note: This cover totally had to be the inspiration for Morrison's Final Crisis scene where Supergirl had sketchpads full of "new costume design" ideas all over the place)

...Shows you how little of an impact Final Crisis had on me. I actually didn't catch that scene. Be advised that if it forces me to dig out my copies and search for it, a plague of carnivorous Tribbles will be cast in your direction.

We had a rule at my high school ... a girl could wear a short skirt as long as arms, straightened out to her sides, her fingers were level with the bottom hem line of the skirt. Which seemed, generally, to be long enough that a girl sitting down at a lunchroom table or desk wasn't doing so for our viewing pleasure ... but they were still short skirts, and still pretty attractive.

...Not sure how old you are, but the issue at my high school was Halter tops, aka "Boob Tubes", although it actually got first addressed in junior high. The problem, as you might expect, was that guys were pretending to trip behind a gal wearing one, and in an attempt to "catch themselves", would snag the tube and pull it down. Rules were set down out of the blue one day that if this happened, both the guy and the gal would be expelled for the year, and about two hours after this was announced over the PA, "boob tubes" were banned from campus. Of course, it turned out that this never actually happened, but the catamite we had as a principal at this particular junior high had a bad habit of making contingency punishments and editcs for things that were on the extreme edge of probability.

But I'm digressing. The topic is Supergirl's panties and their visibility. I think.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

Who's gonna tell Alex Ross to draw Mary Marvel so we're not humming, "I see England, I see France, I see Mary's...."


I would - it's Mary Marvel!
She was always even more clean cut than Supergirl, being, y'know, ten.

Of course DC feel the need to sex her up for this ever dwindling market, when as a ten year old she outsold Superman.

I've always felt the same. No one complains about 'panty shots' of WW, Canary, any heroine that wears a one-piece swimsuit type costume. But put a skirt over the same thing on SG then suddenly it turns into panties which we must never see because it makes the old fogeys uncomfortable.

Well, I tend to prefer the comics without them - cheesecake is good to a degree, but Josh Middleton style panty shots just feel pervy (even if he draws the character to look older than a twelve year old).

Of course, the big difference is, WW and Canary are full grown women, where as Super Girl is a teenager.
Maybe you are a teen who loves perving on other teens (lord knows I did), but the main comic audience is men in their twenties and thirties, so having a teen character that's all about the panty shots and near nude situation rubs some of us the wrong way because the idea of others rubbing themselves the wrong way over a teen character is pretty off.
Also, it makes us feel off seeing art - usually god-awful Turner or Benes 'never seen a real woman let alone been with one' styled art - that's supposed to be getting us aroused over a teenager.
I don't see Batman twisted around in every panel to see his arse, nor do I see Superman or Robin's or Green Lantern's packacge at every turn - why SuperGIRL's undies?

It's also odd to see a teenage female character, who could be used to get young teens reading comics made into a wank fantasy for thirty year old males... just by a porn fellas!
Keep your jerking and your super heroes separate!

[AdamYJ]

You know, when it comes to the world of comic books, there are some things that only manga can get away with. Panty shots are probably one of them.

[Choppa]

You guys read Oracle the cure #1? You can see Barbara's panties in it. I can up a pic if anyone's interested.

[Retro315]

Super-Panties?

They're like the costume and withstand deep freeze, extreme heat and Kryptonian strength impact ... they're totally Super-Panties. And Superman is wearing Super-Briefs.

[WorstThingUS]

uh have people forgot that although kara was put into her rocket at about age 17 she was also stuck in suspended animation for years and is actually older than superman?:tongue:

Have you forgotten how suspended animation works and that still leads to an emotional and physical 17-year-old, not a 50-year-old in any way but chronology.

Well if the argument is to nix the Supergirl's pantie shots -- I want all of the male "package" bulges done away with as well.

Aside from the infamous JSA cover, why don't you name one? And if they showed crotch bulges to the extent they show cheesecake, people would see the problem.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Hell, they generally avoid crotch bulges to an unrealistic degree. Depending on the artist, some of these guys almost look like they've got nothing there at all. No cup is that good.

[Salvester]

Maybe she should have rotating constumes....one arc wear an old school costume, the next wear something diffrent, etc, etc. When she does wear the mini-skirt, they can do the anime-panty shot. Just as an easter egg of sorts I guess.

[Mat001]

uh have people forgot that although kara was put into her rocket at about age 17 she was also stuck in suspended animation for years and is actually older than superman?:tongue:

But she still has the body of said 17 year old, not to mention the mentality of one.

[Kage Kisaragi]

just to defend Churchill a little, he has never shown her pantsy EVER! I like his style and Jamal has said he doesn't have a problem with it either, but there is a good amount of double standards when it comes to females in comics and generally that stims from them be scantly clad. While Supergirls outfit under Chuchill's pencils was by no stretch bucking the trend, he didn't exactly pave the way either. To his credit, I believe she never looked better than she did during his time on the book. Joke about her being to skinny if you want to but I think that has more to do with Turner's vision of the character since he started her off.

Thank about the few times Churchill has drawn Kara out of costume, her clothes were by far more normal and less sexy. You can make a stark comparison of his normal attir and the normal attir of other teenage girls he's drawn and in no situation were they anymore overtly sexy than any real life teenage girl in a similiar enviroment.

[Vic Vega]

I've always felt the same. No one complains about 'panty shots' of WW, Canary, any heroine that wears a one-piece swimsuit type costume. But put a skirt over the same thing on SG then suddenly it turns into panties which we must never see because it makes the old fogeys uncomfortable.

You've got a point, here.

The amount of concern over this "issue" is...amusing.:smile:

PAD's Linda Danvers looked pretty trampy too, there at the end.

[Sean Whitmore]

I was gonna close it cause of all the backbiting anyway, but yeah, Pornogirl sealed the deal.


SEAN