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BurningStarIV

05-08-2009, 07:02 PM

I am a huge Catwoman fan, and I'd love to see her in the movie. I was honestly really pissed that The Dark Knight didn't even have a moment of "Hi. I'm Selina Kyle." But, I'll accept and move beyond that if the third movie has her. I don't know who should play her, but whoever cast Michelle Pfiefer as Selina should be in charge of casting the new movie.

I would love it if Selina was in the next movie, and then was so good she got her own spin-off that washed the taste of Halle Berry's "Catwoman" out of my mind.

Henker

05-08-2009, 08:09 PM

Hollywood studios firmly believe that big mainstream films must have a love interest. Selina, the main love interest in the comics, is the best choice for fulfilling that role. Catwoman should be as close to her comic book persona as possible (i.e. a classy cat burgler); I disliked the liberties taken with Pfeiffer and Berry versions.

For casting, I like the idea of Kate Beckinsale the best.

Lew Moxon

05-08-2009, 08:53 PM

I'm conflicted on this matter, yes I think Selina Kyle is an interesting enough figure to warrant inclusion. On the other hand, I'd hate to see her shoehorned in because Nolan "has to include her"

And, given the centrality of Ra's al Ghul, perhaps Talia would be a more logical choice. Bring the franchise full circle.

If Selina works in the storyline, than he should use her, if not, he shouldn't. It's that simple.

philly

05-08-2009, 09:30 PM

Testament_X

05-09-2009, 02:07 PM

Charlize Theron

marshal99

05-10-2009, 04:02 AM

Halle Berry. :wink:

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/halle_catwoman1_sm.jpg

joku2

05-10-2009, 04:13 AM

I keep hearing about all these used up and very well known super villians that people want to see in the next Bat film , the other day my friend/ local Comic store owner

Suggested that he would like to see the Ventriloquist with Scar Face and i suggested why not Clay Face or even Fire Fly or even the Mad Hatter all are great villians and are under appreciated

i would like to see the Riddler my self but any above would peak my interest

adeathinthefamily

05-10-2009, 05:59 AM

Eva Green as Catwoman.

Edward Norton as Riddler.

Cayman

05-10-2009, 07:58 AM

Eva Green wouldn't be a bad choice at all.

I think I'd prefer her as Talia though.

Phantom Druid

05-10-2009, 08:41 AM

I'd go with Rachel Weisz. I'm thinking of her fighting Anck-Su-Namun in The Mummy and I can totally see her as the Catwoman. Great actor as well.

BurningStarIV

05-10-2009, 08:54 AM

Edward Norton as Riddler.
Ed Norton is good and all, but David Tennant could riddle circles around anyone and everyone else. David Tennant is the ultimate person to play The Riddler.

I think, it terms of Catwoman, to wash of the stench of Halle Berry's Catwoman, they should cast someone who is relatively unknown. Someone who is beautiful, believably agile, and CAN ACT. Perhaps even someone who has sexual tension with Christian Bale, because that would make it all the more believable.

Avenger08

05-10-2009, 09:01 AM

I'd go with Rachel Weisz

Me too, shes like a great actress, yet shes still not that hugely famous type of person so you dont think about all the other things shess been in. (i love her, the Mummy is like my favorite movie and shes amazing)

Im kinda picturing her in that badass scene where they are shooting all the egyptian museum people in the Mummy Returns. She would be amazing for catwoman. She has that strong and smart female tone and yet a very attractive and sophisticated

David Tennant is the ultimate person to play The Riddler.

Honestly, i think Johnny Depp would be a better choice. Watch Sweeny Todd if you havent. Hes great in it. Hed be perfect as that obsessive compulsive guy that is just smart but almost scary. hed be great in the role.

FaSoME

05-10-2009, 09:09 AM

i think hollywood is gonna add a female interest for bats since the other girl died...
everythings a love story now a days, but personally no thanx...
gemme bane, clayface, or croc & call it a day....

BurningStarIV

05-10-2009, 09:39 AM

Honestly, i think Johnny Depp would be a better choice. Watch Sweeny Todd if you havent. Hes great in it. Hed be perfect as that obsessive compulsive guy that is just smart but almost scary. hed be great in the role.
I've seen Sweeney Todd, and I love it. But Johnny Depp, in my opinion, is but a pale comparison of David Tennant.

Tigereyes

05-10-2009, 01:50 PM

Im all for Catwoman and Black Mask...maybe a lower tier character like Firefly in their too

BurningStarIV

05-10-2009, 03:12 PM

Im all for Catwoman and Black Mask...maybe a lower tier character like Firefly in their too
Only if, after some time, Selina shoots him in the face.

Lew Moxon

05-10-2009, 05:30 PM

I'm beginning to think that Talia might be a better fit for this franchise.

thor25

05-10-2009, 08:17 PM

I'm beginning to think that Talia might be a better fit for this franchise.

batman need a independent woman like rachel or selina not a "daddy girl".

Vakanai

05-10-2009, 08:33 PM

i think hollywood is gonna add a female interest for bats since the other girl died...

Still kind of sore about that. I liked her.

gemme bane, clayface, or croc & call it a day....

If they do Clayface, they should go with the guy wearing a clay mask route, but then they could just as easily use Black Mask.

I think I would like to see the realistic arsonist version of Firefly. He'd fit in pretty well with the new Batman movies.

Lew Moxon

05-10-2009, 09:00 PM

batman need a independent woman like rachel or selina not a "daddy girl".

It's not what Batman needs, its what the film needs, and given the hyper importance of Ra's Al Ghul in the Nolan universe, Talia is easier to put into the movie, in my opinion.

I may be wrong, and indeed, I admit that even Talia's problematic. (Tough to fit into backstory where was she in Begins ect.)

But at the same time, it wraps up the franchise in a neat way. If done right.

El_Travieso_805

05-10-2009, 09:44 PM

These are 2 of my favorite villains, and I dont really want to see penguin or riddler ot mr. freeze at least not yet. What do you think?

Cayman

05-10-2009, 09:45 PM

I'd like to see Killer Croc but not Bane.

bigbluntz

05-10-2009, 10:04 PM

Killer Croc would be nice 2 see in the sequel to DK. They already ruined Bane in Joel Schumacher's movie so would be nice if they did him some justice.

I'm pretty sure Chris Bale won't be Batman again, if so they still need to re-cast Joker.

Vakanai

05-10-2009, 10:27 PM

Bane would be good. A sort of drug/hormone/steroid amped hitman or mercenary would fit in nicely, and given the more realistic approach of the new films it would be interesting to see how they play that out. He might not be as big as he is in the comics, but that's no problem.
However, I'm kind of against Croc being in it. The fictional skin condition and monstrous appearance is just a little too over the top and comicy. Maybe in the old series, sure, but not with the current franchise I think.

comicsmetal

05-10-2009, 10:28 PM

I would love to see Bane in the next ,but some fans do not like him because he first appearance in the knightfall story arc.Also being the one braking batman's back and having jean paul vally as the Batman.

By the way I was introduced to Bane form the Animated series so I do not know how he was in the comics.

comicsmetal

05-10-2009, 10:52 PM

I would love to see kaley cuoco play catwomen but she is not that great of an actress.but as everyone said rachel wiez is the best choice.I just hope they do not pick Jolie she will destroy the film with cheap publicity with her and Brad Pitt.

Speaking of the big bang theory how about jim parsons as the Riddler.

comicsmetal

05-10-2009, 11:10 PM

Or how about not having Catwomen and allowing Vicky Vale to be the next love interest.

:biggrin: Just hope they do not ask Frank miller to write the script,he will have her in her Pink bra for four scenes.

The Zapper

05-10-2009, 11:42 PM

I can't stand Bane. I'll be happy if he's never in another movie.

comicsmetal

05-10-2009, 11:50 PM

I can't stand Bane. I'll be happy if he's never in another movie.

Can I ask why?

nepenthes

05-11-2009, 03:25 AM

I've wanted Bane in a third movie since before DKR was released. Lose the mask and dependency on venon and make him a high level official from Santa Prisca, maybe a military general or elite squad leader, a challenger to Santa Priscan goverment or even their outright dictator. Put Batman against a whole country! shoot lots of pretty looking scenes in a tropical latin metropolis. gleaming skyscrapers surrounded by teaming favelas, palm trees, islands ringed by azure blue waters and go-fast boats zipping around with drug runners and desperate militias in mountain jungles, Bane with his fist around them all.

I really don't see the point in any third Batman film that doesn't include either Catwoman or Bane. both would be ideal

T Hedge Coke

05-11-2009, 04:21 AM

I've wanted Bane in a third movie since before DKR was released. Lose the mask and dependency on venon and make him a high level official from Santa Prisca, maybe a military general or elite squad leader, a challenger to Santa Priscan goverment or even their outright dictator. Put Batman against a whole country! shoot lots of pretty looking scenes in a tropical latin metropolis. gleaming skyscrapers surrounded by teaming favelas, palm trees, islands ringed by azure blue waters and go-fast boats zipping around with drug runners and desperate militias in mountain jungles, Bane with his fist around them all.

So, a wholly different character with the same name and nationality.

What's wrong with drug-addicted life-sentencer genius who breaks out of prison, comes to America, and makes hell for the Bat by killing hookers and firing missiles at buildings?

Will.S

05-11-2009, 04:54 AM

I'm pretty sure Chris Bale won't be Batman again, if so they still need to re-cast Joker.
Why wouldn't he be?

BurningStarIV

05-11-2009, 06:45 AM

I'm pretty sure Chris Bale won't be Batman again, if so they still need to re-cast Joker.
I don't necessarily agree with the second half of this statement. I don't think they'll need to recast the Joker for the third Nolan-verse film at all. After being the central focus of The Dark Knight, there is no reason to really show him in the third movie (if we get a third movie). It's safe to assume that the character will be lying low for a while, and that we probably won't see him again until the fourth or fifth movies (again, if the franchise even gets that far).

I was hoping that they'd take the obvious route with the Joker next time he's scheduled to appear. Instead of immediately having to recast The Joker, they could do a little switch up and have Harley Quinn. That way, the Joker's presence is still felt in the series without having to worry so hard about recasting him. Plus, if done right, Harley is insane, so. There's that.

Jae Namkyoung

05-11-2009, 07:22 AM

Bale was contracted for three bat movies, its standard franchise stuff these days, contracted for three flicks, and he also stated he'd do with Nolan again, currently Nolan is working no something non-Bat for WB.

I honestly, would love to see Freeze in a Nolan-verse he's much more of a dark romantic tragedy, that he would be ideal coming up against the Dark Knight. Or, Two-Face with Riddler since his name is being throw around a lot. I'd take a Catwoman too, a-la Kate Beckinsale or someone who looks like her. What? She looks good in black ...

nepenthes

05-11-2009, 08:37 AM

So, a wholly different character with the same name and nationality.

What's wrong with drug-addicted life-sentencer genius who breaks out of prison, comes to America, and makes hell for the Bat by killing hookers and firing missiles at buildings?

it's Bane past that stage. he's still a ruthless and power mad renaissance man with a noble heart. The rest apart from the bolded section still applies. except for killing hookers, that's never nice

Sn4tcH

05-11-2009, 08:48 AM

If anything, Nolan's been good at keeping the villains in character. Red Hoods and lazarus pits don't mean anything if the character isn't right. With that said Bane still has to be a muscle-bound genius who just wants to defeat Bruce Wayne. I'm not really sure what Killer Crocs character is though, other than sometimes crime boss, sometimes big scary monster.

SlightlyMad

05-11-2009, 09:21 AM

I'm kind of against Croc being in it. The fictional skin condition and monstrous appearance is just a little too over the top and comicy. Maybe in the old series, sure, but not with the current franchise I think.

He could be one of those guys into full-body tattoos & implants, like this:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n38/No_7/Photo%20of%20the%20Day/lizardman.jpg

However, I don't seem him being any more than a henchman or plot device charcter like Zsasz in Begins or Scarecrow in Dark Knight. Besides he was in Batman: Gotham Knight which was kind of in-continuity between the 2 movies already.

Tigereyes

05-11-2009, 11:32 AM

Emily Blunt should be Catwoman...she was going to be Black Widow, just swap one rubber suit for another

comicsmetal

05-11-2009, 11:56 AM

Emily Blunt should be Catwoman...she was going to be Black Widow, just swap one rubber suit for another

I think she might turn down the roll for Catwomen because she already played a villain in another superhero movie.I maybe wrong but Amy Adams cold be the other choice.

carabas

05-11-2009, 12:26 PM

I think she might turn down the roll for Catwomen because she already played a villain in another superhero movie.Which one? IMDB has nothing.

comicsmetal

05-11-2009, 12:48 PM

Which one? IMDB has nothing.

Never mind I read it wrong and I forgot that she lost the role to Scarlet.She might take it then.

Vic Vega

05-11-2009, 12:58 PM

carabas

05-11-2009, 01:20 PM

Will.S

05-11-2009, 01:29 PM

Vakanai

05-11-2009, 02:28 PM

NO.

First movie had a vigilante fanatic and his cult who aimed to save Gotham by destroying it.

The second movie featured a madman who threatened the entire city of Gotham in order to show that all men were evil at heart.

After all of that a hot chick in leather who steals stuff is really a comedown.

I don't agree with that. You don't need a city shaking plot to be interesting, just an interesting plot. Explore the characters a bit more than in the last films, ask some tougher questions about morality, make it less a Gotham is in peril movie and more of a Batman is in peril movie.
Think about it. After the end of TDK, Batman is hunted down as a criminal, believed to be a murderer. And here is this real criminal, a tempting siren, questioning his motives and actions about protecting a city who considers him a worse criminal than herself, a simple, albeit successful jewel thief. Plus you can have her indirectly bringing forth memories of Rachael, since they're both female, and perhaps total opposites, and have Bruce feel tormented over that. It's not like we got to see him do much grieving for her in the last film. Hell, he seemed more shaken up by Harvey's disfigurement than by the loss of his oldest friend. That's two different areas of his life he could start questioning just by having a well written Catwoman in the script. And that's not even including possible sexual or romantic tensions. Have Bruce question his actions, and whether or not he should really bring her in.
Just because she's not a city shaking villain, doesn't mean she can't be a Batman shaking villain, especially given his new position as Gotham's most wanted. It really all depends on the script, director, and actress.

carabas

05-11-2009, 04:21 PM

BurningStarIV

05-11-2009, 05:58 PM

I don't agree with that. You don't need a city shaking plot to be interesting, just an interesting plot. Explore the characters a bit more than in the last films, ask some tougher questions about morality, make it less a Gotham is in peril movie and more of a Batman is in peril movie.
Think about it. After the end of TDK, Batman is hunted down as a criminal, believed to be a murderer. And here is this real criminal, a tempting siren, questioning his motives and actions about protecting a city who considers him a worse criminal than herself, a simple, albeit successful jewel thief. Plus you can have her indirectly bringing forth memories of Rachael, since they're both female, and perhaps total opposites, and have Bruce feel tormented over that. It's not like we got to see him do much grieving for her in the last film. Hell, he seemed more shaken up by Harvey's disfigurement than by the loss of his oldest friend. That's two different areas of his life he could start questioning just by having a well written Catwoman in the script. And that's not even including possible sexual or romantic tensions. Have Bruce question his actions, and whether or not he should really bring her in.
Just because she's not a city shaking villain, doesn't mean she can't be a Batman shaking villain, especially given his new position as Gotham's most wanted. It really all depends on the script, director, and actress.
I agree with everything you said, and I think you should be praised highly for your words.

Also, Selina shouldn't be the main focus as a villain for the next movie, because she's never ENTIRELY a villain. She's one of those characters who lives by her own moral code and doesn't really care much for what other people think, whether she's helping people or stealing their stuff. That's one of my favorite things about that character.

Vakanai

05-11-2009, 10:27 PM

Clearly you have no notion of the laws of Hollywood blocbusters.
Not that this wouldn't be a perfectly good film, but I kinda think WB would get Shumacher back before they'd greenlight that as a follow up to The Dark Knight.

This is why I think episodic television series are better for storytelling than movies.
True. I think it's a good idea, but getting that from WB, or Hollywood in general...
Kind of a sad state of affairs that they're still wedded to same old same old, low depth storytelling that's been the norm for ages now.
I agree with everything you said, and I think you should be praised highly for your words.
Thanks.:smile:

Also, Selina shouldn't be the main focus as a villain for the next movie, because she's never ENTIRELY a villain. She's one of those characters who lives by her own moral code and doesn't really care much for what other people think, whether she's helping people or stealing their stuff. That's one of my favorite things about that character.

True, I was mostly just spouting off how a good movie could be made without the 'Gotham is in trouble' plot device.
However, a morally ambiguous character could really get in the skin of this version of Batman, who himself is pretty morally ambiguous. He's willing to let Ras fall to his death, pretty much bug everyone's phones for a sonar advantage, and lie to the people of Gotham and let them think he's a killer. That seems to make this version of Bats closer to Catwoman than most other versions to me, the main difference being goals. They both are more willing to skirt or break the law. I'm not a scriptwriter, so I can't provide many examples, but there's got to be a wealth of material there alone.

Now, if she isn't the main bad of the film, the question might be which other villain would complement her and the tone of such a film.

hunter_peterson

05-12-2009, 06:06 AM

Killer Croc would be good, if done with both intelligence and Alien-esque horror. Batman and horror do go good together, after all. Oh, and he is based on a real skin condition, but that's not really important.

Mr. Freeze ala the Animated series would be good.

The Riddler as a criminal profiler with the FBI who becomes obsessed with Batman would be good.

Catwoman beng Audrey Tautou would be good. Spelled that wrong, I think. She's got amazing range, like to see her do more English work.

Deadshot in a less gaudy form would be good.

Bane would take work, have a good reason for the mask and a good origin and see if he compells.

Poison Ivy as eco-terrorist would be good, they wasted that last time.

Black Mask would be good. Always is. Some evil torture would be nice. Red Hood could do this too I suppose.

Clayface like the cartoon would be good, but treading similar ground to Sandman in Spidey 3. Maybe do Inque (Beyond villain).

Man-Bat could be fantastic, again bringing in the horror. Easily integrated with other character arcs. Good for allowing Lucius Fox more airtime.

Nothing else off the top of my head... maybe post more later.

adeathinthefamily

05-12-2009, 07:36 AM

This decision should not be based on how epic a villain she is. She's a most interesting character and would provide great cinema as a foil for Bale's humorless Batman.

Besides, having a female version of Batman running around Gotham committing crimes fits in perfectly with the overarching theme of 'escalation'. So it makes perfect sense for her to show up in some shape or form, even if it's just a background plot.

BurningStarIV

05-12-2009, 08:27 AM

True, I was mostly just spouting off how a good movie could be made without the 'Gotham is in trouble' plot device.
However, a morally ambiguous character could really get in the skin of this version of Batman, who himself is pretty morally ambiguous. He's willing to let Ras fall to his death, pretty much bug everyone's phones for a sonar advantage, and lie to the people of Gotham and let them think he's a killer. That seems to make this version of Bats closer to Catwoman than most other versions to me, the main difference being goals. They both are more willing to skirt or break the law. I'm not a scriptwriter, so I can't provide many examples, but there's got to be a wealth of material there alone.
Again, I agree with everything you say. And you seem to have a very clear understanding of Selina and her motivations. Bravo. We should send you to be involved in the screenwriting process as a Catwoman Supervisor.

Now, if she isn't the main bad of the film, the question might be which other villain would complement her and the tone of such a film.
I discussed Harley Quinn with a friend. We thought it'd be a nice way to have the Joker's presence felt without having to immediately worry about recasting the role; however, I think it is a bit too soon for them to do that. The Joker would lie low for a while after the adventures of The Dark Knight.

Poison Ivy is someone they could have in the next movie and have her fit in seriously. Spin the whole Environmentalist-Gone-Wrong angle. She could easily see Gotham as a testament to all that is destroying the world, and use her powers to destroy buildings en masse. And she has the power to seduce Batman and use him for her nefarious purposes. And, if done right, she could entirely be serious and scary (but, this seems to make Catwoman a little redundant, and I'd much prefer to see Selina than Pamela).

Gary Joyce

05-12-2009, 09:01 AM

Christina Ricci

Booma151676

05-12-2009, 09:06 AM

I would say it is more likely that we would see Bane because Killer Croc does not really fit Nolan's concept of grounding the film in reality. With Bane it could work because you could have Batman fight a guy who is a pumped up on steroids and since we didnt see the Joker poison in The Dark Knight I dont think we will see Venom with Bane.

Redrumbin

05-12-2009, 09:32 AM

Killer Croc won't be there, he was in Gotham Knight and Bane isn't a really realistic character for the Nolanverse.

carabas

05-12-2009, 11:23 AM

Bane is a lot more realistic than the Joker or Two-Face.

The Zapper

05-12-2009, 12:14 PM

Can I ask why?

Yes.

Limit Dance.

IamBATFAN

05-12-2009, 12:50 PM

It's a shame they already used the Arkham breakout bit in Batman Begins, that's a really big plot point to Bane's introduction in the bat universe. The next film could be called Batman: Knightfall. It would be cool to see the breakout occur at the beginning of the 3rd film, see the criminals and villains run amok in Gotham, and the police having to resort to Batman for help after chasing him post Dark Knight, we then see how Bats goes after them, told in montages to express days and week have gone by, we see exhaustion is taking a toll on him, finally we get our first glimpse of Bane waiting for Bats in the cave, he beats him to within an inch of his life (back breaking optional) without saying a word. With Bats out of the way Bane takes over Gotham.
From there the movie can go in many directions, we could possibly have Catwoman introduced as a cat burglar who gets into trouble with Banes gang and decides to fight against him. Or we are introduced to Nightwing, someone who was inspired by Batman years ago and had been working in secret for some time now (but Bats knew of him) and Bruce has Alfred call him. IDK just throwing out some ideas here but Bane as a villain if done right can make for a great movie.

Jae Namkyoung

05-12-2009, 03:51 PM

Kate Beckinsale or look-a-like thereof, yes she can act. Cold Comfort Farm.

Jae Namkyoung

05-12-2009, 03:57 PM

Victor Fries has so much more humanity to him and his reasons for "turning" are so much different. He wants to save his wife, he's so much in love with her, devoted to her he can't let her go, so much so he keeps her quite literally just about in a frozen state, there's no way to save her says the doctors, but he'll find a way.

He has such an elegiac tone, a dark romance about him if done properly he can be made even more compelling than Joker, Two-Face and strike with such a deep cord that not even Riddler could go into.

I wouldn't pair him up with Joker, but bring back Two-Face, and because Victor would do anything to save Nora, he'd help Two-Face, and because Two-Face is who he is, betrays Victor inciting his rage, just as far as the actual story telling maybe, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Freeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Freeze), I think he deserves to be reprised in such a ... Shakesperian way.

I wouldn't even introduce Cats, if anything maybe a teaser at the end; however, if I introduced Dick it would be at the end, with the Circus and Tony Zucco, that all we see is a sad little boy who is in tears, Bruce kneels down to him and introduces himself and asks the little boy who he is, he says in tears of course, "Richard Grayson, but folks call me Dick."

Just end it right there.

BurningStarIV

05-12-2009, 04:40 PM

Christina Ricci
She can act, but is entirely wrong for the role of Selina. Honestly, she doesn't even look remotely like Selina. Color her hair, and she could maybe make a convincing Holly. But not Selina.
Kate Beckinsale or look-a-like thereof, yes she can act. Cold Comfort Farm.
I'm not worried about her acting skills, though I have never been impressed with Kate Beckinsale. She doesn't look anything like what Selina should look like. That's like people wanting to cast Shia LeBeouf as Yorick Brown in Y the Last Man. I'm sure some people think he can act, but HE IS NOT YORICK.

Nick Vortex

05-12-2009, 05:08 PM

Someone earlier brought up Amy Adams playing Selina Kyle. I have thought, for some time, that she would make a better Poison Ivy than Catwoman. I would love nothing more than for Catwoman to be included in the next Nolan film, but I agree that she shouldn't be the central focus of the film as she is not completely on the side of evil.

I heard a rumor that Crispin Glover was offered the role of the Riddler. If that's true, I think that would work pretty nicely.

I liked the fact that the villians in Batman Begins were villians that had not been explored in film before. While Ledger's Joker was phenomenal, Ra's Al Ghul and the Scarecrow were good choices because there are no other actors or portrayals to compare them to. I don't know how many times I've been asked to compare Ledger and Nicholson. Who's the better Joker? They were both great with their own interperetations of the character. That answer isn't always good enough. Who's the best Ra's Al Ghul? Liam Neeson. Give him credit, he trained Batman and Obi Wan. Don't kidnap his daughter. He has a particular set of skills. Plus, he was the only one to ever play him.

Enjoypolydor

05-12-2009, 05:51 PM

Black Mask and Bane could have good chemistry. That or recast Joker.

And i think the flying Graysons should be introduced near the end of the film, concluding the film trilogy.

Captain Jim

05-12-2009, 09:37 PM

Heh, when my eyes first glanced over this thread title, I thought it said, "Should Killer Croc or Bane be the new Batman?" :biggrin:

Vakanai

05-12-2009, 09:43 PM

Heh, when my eyes first glanced over this thread title, I thought it said, "Should Killer Croc or Bane be the new Batman?" :biggrin:

Bane. He already wears a mask, and Croc as Bats might confuse people with the different conflicting animal themes.
Hey Bane? You break it you don it.

Crimson Knightman

05-12-2009, 09:45 PM

It depends. If Nolan comes back then Killer Croc doesn't stand a chance. Bane on the other hand seems like a better probability but even then it's a relatively small one. Personally, I would go with Bane. Bane would require a bit of a makeover but still nothing to radical as to where you couldn't tell it was him. I would utilize Bane's brain as I would his brawn, he would be a force to be reckoned with and he would be an independent leader as he was in Vengeance of Bane.

comicsmetal

05-12-2009, 09:45 PM

I would love to see Black Mask in the next Batman movie,what do you think should he and who should play him.

I would like Vincent D'Onofrio to play him because of what he does in films like The cell and Men in Black. I think he does not care for being behind a mask fro the whole movie.

Thoughts.

comicsmetal

05-12-2009, 09:52 PM

Does anyone think michle clark duncan can play bane.

CYOTI

05-12-2009, 11:02 PM

He is a 2nd hand Two-Face/Joker.

Better Catwoman or Talia.

comicsmetal

05-13-2009, 01:51 AM

He is a 2nd hand Two-Face/Joker.

Better Catwoman or Talia.

Who Black Mask,I think Riddler is a 2nd rate joker.

Jae Namkyoung

05-13-2009, 07:21 AM

She can act, but is entirely wrong for the role of Selina. Honestly, she doesn't even look remotely like Selina. Color her hair, and she could maybe make a convincing Holly. But not Selina.

I'm not worried about her acting skills, though I have never been impressed with Kate Beckinsale. She doesn't look anything like what Selina should look like. That's like people wanting to cast Shia LeBeouf as Yorick Brown in Y the Last Man. I'm sure some people think he can act, but HE IS NOT YORICK.

I know she's older for the role but I really can't see Mrs. Wiesz as Selina either, ya know? If I have to choose others, um Sienna Millers if we're going on looks alone and not relying on a talented make-up crew.

Hmmm, Moon Bloodgood. She'd make a nice Shiva ... erm, um, for Talia
Nicole Scherzinger, yes from PCD she's got the look of Talia in a few different scenes and cuts, and for acting well now if you want acting then lets take Bollywood's Priyanka Chopra. ^_^

Samuraixsithlord

05-13-2009, 07:38 AM

I could see Black Mask stepping in to take over organized crime after the Joker left it in shambles.

Catwoman also comes to town.

Lorendiac

05-13-2009, 08:35 AM

A few months ago I spent one evening typing out a hasty plot outline for what I'd like to see in Batman 3. It ran almost 3000 words, but I'll be merciful and just offer a quick summary of who was involved in it, etc.

Mad Hatter as the Big Bad who's trying to use his mind-controlling hats to take over the city for some reason. (Such details as his exact goals were not well-developed in my summary.)

Catwoman as the thief with a heart of gold.

Floyd Lawton, Deadshot, as the self-declared "new hero of Gotham" who is actually working for Rupert Thorne and the Tobacconists' Club, who are trying to gain or regain control of all the Gotham rackets by subsidizing Deadshot as he "eliminates the competition" (non-fatally, by and large; turning them over to the cops with bags of evidence, et cetera).

Deadshot finally shows his true colors when he shoots Catwoman and Batman both. They manage to knock him down and get away, leaning on each other for support, and there's some serious romantic tension between them (although they don't actually start an affair).

Most importantly for my purposes, Batman gets publicly cleared on the charge of having committed a few murders in "The Dark Knight." (Long story, but I had an FBI task force working on the theory that he was a dangerous serial killer and then discovering that he wasn't.)

I've been toying with ideas for an outline of what I'd then like to see in Batman 4. I'm thinking of a partnership between Hugo Strange and a vindictive Talia . . .

comicsmetal

05-13-2009, 11:39 AM

I know she's older for the role but I really can't see Mrs. Wiesz as Selina either, ya know? If I have to choose others, um Sienna Millers if we're going on looks alone and not relying on a talented make-up crew.

Hmmm, Moon Bloodgood. She'd make a nice Shiva ... erm, um, for Talia
Nicole Scherzinger, yes from PCD she's got the look of Talia in a few different scenes and cuts, and for acting well now if you want acting then lets take Bollywood's Priyanka Chopra. ^_^

You are saying Ms wiesz is ugly,she is far from it.I think she can do it.Evangeline Lilly form lost could play Catwomen.

Also Ms Wiesz is only in her early 30s so her looks have not faded that much.

Age should not matter because Catwomen is only going to be played once.

Jae Namkyoung

05-13-2009, 12:57 PM

You are saying Ms wiesz is ugly,she is far from it.I think she can do it.Evangeline Lilly form lost could play Catwomen.

Also Ms Wiesz is only in her early 30s so her looks have not faded that much.

Age should not matter because Catwomen is only going to be played once.

Mrs. Wiesz as Selina either, ya know? If I have to choose others, < note the comma um Sienna Millers if we're going on looks alone and not relying on a talented make-up crew.

There's a comma there ... age shouldn't matter but assuming they would want to bring Cats back after a round or two. I never stated she was ugly, your implying it for yourself =]. Rachel is talented, and is very agreeable in looks. P.S. Sienna is a doll, however we would need to dirty her up in make up to bring out more of the Selina in her.

comicsmetal

05-13-2009, 01:33 PM

There's a comma there ... age shouldn't matter but assuming they would want to bring Cats back after a round or two. I never stated she was ugly, your implying it for yourself =]. Rachel is talented, and is very agreeable in looks. P.S. Sienna is a doll, however we would need to dirty her up in make up to bring out more of the Selina in her.

I am sorry I read it worng.

Hypestyle

05-13-2009, 01:36 PM

main villain= Riddler, but also include Penguin in his updated role as a fence/info guy... no crazy makeup jobs, except maybe for a pot belly.. no webbed hands, no super-long nose..

CYOTI

05-13-2009, 01:41 PM

Who Black Mask,I think Riddler is a 2nd rate joker. I take it your exposure to Batman other than the new movies consists entirely of the old tv show.

Lorendiac

05-13-2009, 01:43 PM

I take it your exposure to Batman other than the new movies consists entirely of the old tv show.

That's a trifle vague. For many young people today, when you talk about the "old TV show" (meaning a Batman show) they're immediately going to think: "You mean the one that began around the time I was born? Way, way, way back in the distant era known as the 1990s?" :biggrin:

comicsmetal

05-13-2009, 02:07 PM

I take it your exposure to Batman other than the new movies consists entirely of the old tv show.

No I have been a big Batman fan since i was six.I read the comics and for the most part remember the character like Riddler from Batman:TAS .

He just seems like if you take the clown make up and the Purple suit and make it green and make him have a compulsive disorder you got the riddler.

I do not mind to see him in the next movie but we need to see a different type of character that has not been done before.

BurningStarIV

05-13-2009, 02:38 PM

comicsmetal

05-13-2009, 02:48 PM

I just rewatched the Tim Burton/Joel whazzhizname Batman movies for the first time in a long while. And while the role was not good in Batman and Robin, I still think that Uma Thurman could make a much better Poison Ivy than she did in Batman and Robin. Better dialogue, better story, better director, and she could easily be the Poison Ivy we know and love from the comics.

Nicole Kidman, who was in Batman Forever, could also make a convincing Poison Ivy. She's tall, looks great with red hair, and beautiful enough to convincingly seduce any man she comes in contact with.

Though, it seems like hiring cast from the 90's Batman movies would be a little absurd since they're doing everything in their power to distance themselves from that franchise.

I just do not think she will work in the Nolan universe.He wants real world and you know a women who uses plants as a power might be a bit silly.At lest, you can do something real with characters like Bane,catwomen or Black Mask.

Bane-A steroid using freak that coments crimes.
Catwomen-A cat burglar.
Black Mask-A former cosmetics Company CEO uses and Ivory mask form his mother coffin to become a crime boss.

BurningStarIV

05-13-2009, 02:53 PM

I just do not think she will work in the Nolan universe.He wants real world and you know a women who uses plants has power might be a big silly.At lest, you can do something real with characters like Bane,catwomen or Black Mask.

Bane-A steroid using freak that coments crimes.
Catwomen-A cat burglur.
Black Mask-A former cosmetics Company CEO uses and Ivory mask form his mother coffin to become a crime boss.
It'd be fairly easy to translate Poison Ivy to a "real world" villain, especially with today's political climate. Environmentalist/Research Scientist who sees Gotham as a testament to Man's Destruction of Mother Earth. She's gorgeous, so she can seduce men without the pheromones, but even that has basis in reality and could easily be included. And the poison inside her could all be external (as a scientist, she'd know and have access to these things). She uses her intellect to attempt to tear Gotham down.

Seriously, there are very few Batman villains that cannot be brought into "real life".

Lew Moxon

05-13-2009, 02:54 PM

Let's round up our suspects.

Now, how can we determine who might be in the next film?

to begin with we should make a guess as to what BB III will be about.

My guess: The movie will concern Batman on the run from the police. I base this on the ending of The Dark Knight.

Therefore, the villains of this movie will either

A. Be working with the police to bring Batman down. Or otherwise working to bring Batman to some kind of justice.
B Further establish the thin line between Bruce and criminals. So as to highten the Batman as a wanted man theme.

I feel Selina Kyle probably works under B. And I tend to believe the Rachel Weiz rumours. However knowing Begins and TDK, we can guess that this film will contain multiple villains. Begins had Ra's and Scarecrow. TDK had Joker and Dent.

And Selina alone isn't enough of an antagonist. Based on this I think we are hunting for "A".

My suspects for A. are

The Riddler
Deadshot
Hugo Strange
Bane.
(If you can think of more, please tell me.)

Deadshot we can safely rule out, having appeared in Gotham Knight. In my opinion the visuals for Bane won't translate very well to screen in this kind of environment.

so we are left with either The Riddler or Hugo Strange.

The Riddler seems the logical choice. But Goyer has suggested hat the next villain may be someone who's never been in a film before.

So, as of right now, my main suspects are Hugo Strange, and Edward Nashton.

Redrumbin

05-13-2009, 03:28 PM

You guys can forget Deadshot and Killer Croc.
They were in Gotham Knight. The animated movie/episodes that show what happened before TDK.

bandito

05-13-2009, 04:30 PM

BurningStarIV

05-13-2009, 04:47 PM

You guys can forget Deadshot and Killer Croc.
They were in Gotham Knight. The animated movie/episodes that show what happened before TDK.
True, and Gotham Knight was pretty good. But there is always a chance for Deadshot to make an appearance.

Jaded Devil

05-13-2009, 04:54 PM

I think the only major villains that can't be real-worlded are Clayface and Killer Croc, Croc just because he's technically a freak of nature. Making Poison Ivy more realistic wouldn't be hard, it would just take some ingenuity.

Don't forget that the original Clayface was an actor/master of disguise type. So he COULD be used in that version.

But, honestly, I think characters like Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane, Killer Croc, and others are just too closely tied to some kind of super-science to make them really work in Nolan's movies without doing such a radical reworking of the character that it'd be hard-pressed to recognize them as the same characters.

I personally think the best bet is the Riddler, done as an intellectual criminal (as in NOT Jim Carrey) who wants to prove himself smarter than Batman, with Catwoman and Penguin as runners up. And it'd be fun to catch a glimpse of Harley Quinn as some Joker-inspired thrill-killer or something along those lines.

comicsmetal

05-13-2009, 08:19 PM

It'd be fairly easy to translate Poison Ivy to a "real world" villain, especially with today's political climate. Environmentalist/Research Scientist who sees Gotham as a testament to Man's Destruction of Mother Earth. She's gorgeous, so she can seduce men without the pheromones, but even that has basis in reality and could easily be included. And the poison inside her could all be external (as a scientist, she'd know and have access to these things). She uses her intellect to attempt to tear Gotham down.

Seriously, there are very few Batman villains that cannot be brought into "real life".

Hmm ,you could but she is not the best character and also the whole mad Environmentalist might tick off Greenpeace.

Also Batman and Robin movie really killed her.At lest with Bane he was the Idiot side kick and he was still brand new at the time.

comicsmetal

05-13-2009, 08:23 PM

Don't forget that the original Clayface was an actor/master of disguise type. So he COULD be used in that version.

But, honestly, I think characters like Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane, Killer Croc, and others are just too closely tied to some kind of super-science to make them really work in Nolan's movies without doing such a radical reworking of the character that it'd be hard-pressed to recognize them as the same characters.

I personally think the best bet is the Riddler, done as an intellectual criminal (as in NOT Jim Carrey) who wants to prove himself smarter than Batman, with Catwoman and Penguin as runners up. And it'd be fun to catch a glimpse of Harley Quinn as some Joker-inspired thrill-killer or something along those lines.

I agree,it is their super-science that nolan does not like.

Mr. Immortal

05-13-2009, 08:32 PM

Only one person mentioned Ventriloquist? It's too bad this character has no star power because he is perhaps more than any other a perfect fit to Nolan's Batman interpretations.

comicsmetal

05-13-2009, 08:50 PM

Only one person mentioned Ventriloquist? It's too bad this character has no star power because he is perhaps more than any other a perfect fit to Nolan's Batman interpretations.

:confused: Don't you think a talking Dummy who says he was a former Gang member a bit well silly.

Abeja

05-14-2009, 12:15 PM

How about Steve Buscemi as Ventriloquist? Someone on another forums mentioned Buscemi. I think he would fit what Vent/Scarface are about. He could even be Riddler or Mad Hatter.

Alan2099

05-14-2009, 12:23 PM

:confused: Don't you think a talking Dummy who says he was a former Gang member a bit well silly.

Depends on how you do it. Have you ever seen Magic? Granted it's nor a gangster dummy, just a regualr one, but something like this could work wonders.

Trailer 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjKHbdQRHeo&feature=related)
Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxgVoUL22s8&feature=related)

carabas

05-14-2009, 12:24 PM

Only one person mentioned Ventriloquist? It's too bad this character has no star power because he is perhaps more than any other a perfect fit to Nolan's Batman interpretations.Maybe. Very maybe. And then only if you remove the Ventriloqust altogether, and have Scarface be a human gangleader instead of a dummy. And maybe change his name because of the Pacino film.

In other words: no.

Abeja

05-14-2009, 02:06 PM

I think Scarface could work. Steve Buscemi could pull it off. He has that kinda paranoid, getting taken advantage of by a doll sort of thing. People would associate it with Pacino tho.

Kylun123

05-14-2009, 02:35 PM

I don't see Ventriloquist/Scarface working b.c the only way to make it believeable is to make the guy some kind of psycho/schizophrenic and I feel the interpretation would end up being way too similar to the/Ledger's Joker.

I think the other characters mentioned could be used minus the super science. Meaning it might not be an exact crossover to the film but the history/backstory might translate well with some prodding. Hard for me to picture it, but the peeps working on the films are for more talented than I.

Vakanai

05-14-2009, 03:08 PM

Hmm ,you could but she is not the best character and also the whole mad Environmentalist might tick off Greenpeace.

Eco-terrorists do exist, and as long as she isn't a member of Greenpeace, they can't really justify being pissed off about stuff that also exists in the real world. You don't see them suing real eco-terrorists for ruining their image.

:confused: Don't you think a talking Dummy who says he was a former Gang member a bit well silly.

Not really. The man is disturbed and insane. You can chalk it up as a weird kind of multiple personality disorder. Make the human a more tragic figure, and the stupid dummy as his means of coping with that tragedy. Sort of a way to insensitize himself from the brutality of life by becoming a part of this brutal duo. I mean we think of dummies as these silly stupid puppet things, which they are. Yet we don't really understand madness all that well. To a man who is truly mad, it's not a dummy. It's an external representation of something within himself that he can't acknowledge. To him, the puppet really is in control.
One of my favorite BTAS episodes was when he believed himself cured, but his former henchmen secretly got the puppet and put him in odd places, made it seemed he was moving, etc. to drive the guy insane again so they would have their boss back. Despite being a looney, he was sort of like a criminal genius, and life was better for those henchmen working for a guy with a puppet than say working for Joker or some of the others. He was basically a gangster with a weird puppet fetish than a regular psycho.
Anyways, I thought that episode handled the character rather well, and I really could see him fitting into a movie very well. Not as the main bad, but a secondary bad easily. The idea looks stupid on the surface, but if played as a real crazy guy with real problems and a distorted view of reality, it works pretty well.

Maybe. Very maybe. And then only if you remove the Ventriloqust altogether, and have Scarface be a human gangleader instead of a dummy. And maybe change his name because of the Pacino film.

In other words: no.

I don't think that has to be the case at all.

I don't see Ventriloquist/Scarface working b.c the only way to make it believeable is to make the guy some kind of psycho/schizophrenic and I feel the interpretation would end up being way too similar to the/Ledger's Joker.

That could be an interpretation, but a crazy tragic guy with an inferiority complex and MPS could work. Make him less psycho and more a fidgety, small, pathetic figure with no self confidence, who is unconsciously using the dummy to let out his anger at his situation and help him act out his fantasies that he won't even admit to having.

pariah-1972

05-14-2009, 03:19 PM

I've become quite fond of Riddler lately but of course he is mostly a good guy now anyways.
Still it would be nice to see a Riddler onscreen that is not completely ludacrisly over the top like Jim Carrey's horrid version that had almost nothing to do with the character.

Black Mask could work almost too easily.

It would be cool to see if Nolan would make one up i mean i don't see why not.

Vakanai

05-14-2009, 03:35 PM

I've become quite fond of Riddler lately but of course he is mostly a good guy now anyways.
You know, I've noticed a bit of that going on, and it's baffling me. First Catwoman started crossing that villain/not villain many years back, and it was okay because she was never particularly evil like the others. Then came Penguin's transition to a more respectable, less illegal profession with the club and information stuff. Kind of hated that, but again, he was one of the more cartoony characters, plus he was always of the type to me that if he could make oddles of cash legally and quickly, he would. He seemed less disturbed and more criminal than the others. But Riddler is certifiable. He is all about the mind games, about proving himself the most clever character in all of Gotham, if not everywhere. He lives to play those criminal mind games. Softening him up any to me seems wrong.

Besides, Batman needs a good list of rogues. Otherwise it's all Batman vs Joker forever.

Still it would be nice to see a Riddler onscreen that is not completely ludacrisly over the top like Jim Carrey's horrid version that had almost nothing to do with the character.

Agreed.
Though keep the cane/staff thing he had, that was cool. But do away with the rest.
Maybe dress him up more like the 60's version. In the Adam West Batman movie, I thought Riddler was the snazziest dresser of the lot.

pariah-1972

05-14-2009, 03:45 PM

You know, I've noticed a bit of that going on, and it's baffling me. First Catwoman started crossing that villain/not villain many years back, and it was okay because she was never particularly evil like the others. Then came Penguin's transition to a more respectable, less illegal profession with the club and information stuff. Kind of hated that, but again, he was one of the more cartoony characters, plus he was always of the type to me that if he could make oddles of cash legally and quickly, he would. He seemed less disturbed and more criminal than the others. But Riddler is certifiable. He is all about the mind games, about proving himself the most clever character in all of Gotham, if not everywhere. He lives to play those criminal mind games. Softening him up any to me seems wrong.

Besides, Batman needs a good list of rogues. Otherwise it's all Batman vs Joker forever.

Agreed.
Though keep the cane/staff thing he had, that was cool. But do away with the rest.
Maybe dress him up more like the 60's version. In the Adam West Batman movie, I thought Riddler was the snazziest dresser of the lot.I agree with that making all his rogues nicey nicey is gonna lose a lot.
but i never saw Riddler as that bad(tho my comic experience with him is limited) but even he seems to draw the line at murder and him becoming Gotham Pd's resident in house detective seems like a great way to put the screws into Bat's by outsmarting him which seems like his whole reason for being in the first place.

Also i do love the cane and his snazzy outfits too.

I want my Riddler to be sophisticated and smart wither bad or good.

Vakanai

05-14-2009, 03:54 PM

I agree with that making all his rogues nicey nicey is gonna lose a lot.
but i never saw Riddler as that bad(tho my comic experience with him is limited) but even he seems to draw the line at murder and him becoming Gotham Pd's resident in house detective seems like a great way to put the screws into Bat's by outsmarting him which seems like his whole reason for being in the first place.

Also i do love the cane and his snazzy outfits too.

I want my Riddler to be sophisticated and smart wither bad or good.

I didn't really say that Riddler was that bad. Compared to Two Face or Joker, the guy is pretty much a saint, just saying that he seemed to live for making criminal riddles and traps to outsmart Bats. Though you have a point with the detective outsmarting Bats by beating him in his own field kind of thing, I hadn't thought of it like that really.

And yes, a sophisticated, intelligent Riddler is the best.

I've been thinking of discussing whether they should make a live action Batman Beyond movie, but that might work better as another thread, what do you think?
Or has a thread on it already been done?

pariah-1972

05-14-2009, 05:27 PM

I didn't really say that Riddler was that bad. Compared to Two Face or Joker, the guy is pretty much a saint, just saying that he seemed to live for making criminal riddles and traps to outsmart Bats. Though you have a point with the detective outsmarting Bats by beating him in his own field kind of thing, I hadn't thought of it like that really.

And yes, a sophisticated, intelligent Riddler is the best.

I've been thinking of discussing whether they should make a live action Batman Beyond movie, but that might work better as another thread, what do you think?
Or has a thread on it already been done?I'm sure it has been done before and i was a big fan of the show, but i'm not sure if i could see it working in a live action medium.

comicsmetal

05-14-2009, 09:51 PM

Depends on how you do it. Have you ever seen Magic? Granted it's nor a gangster dummy, just a regualr one, but something like this could work wonders.

Trailer 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjKHbdQRHeo&feature=related)
Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxgVoUL22s8&feature=related)

hmm,they have been showing this on tv and have not tryied to watch it.It could work but I just think of how many people will sit there and laugh at the idea.

Even Chucky get mockery form people.

comicsmetal

05-14-2009, 09:58 PM

Eco-terrorists do exist, and as long as she isn't a member of Greenpeace, they can't really justify being pissed off about stuff that also exists in the real world. You don't see them suing real eco-terrorists for ruining their image.

:redface: Opps I for got about Eco-terrorist.So yeah maybe it could work then.It just listening to the guys on Batman on flim they seem not to like the character.

Not really. The man is disturbed and insane. You can chalk it up as a weird kind of multiple personality disorder. Make the human a more tragic figure, and the stupid dummy as his means of coping with that tragedy. Sort of a way to insensitize himself from the brutality of life by becoming a part of this brutal duo. I mean we think of dummies as these silly stupid puppet things, which they are. Yet we don't really understand madness all that well. To a man who is truly mad, it's not a dummy. It's an external representation of something within himself that he can't acknowledge. To him, the puppet really is in control.
One of my favorite BTAS episodes was when he believed himself cured, but his former henchmen secretly got the puppet and put him in odd places, made it seemed he was moving, etc. to drive the guy insane again so they would have their boss back. Despite being a looney, he was sort of like a criminal genius, and life was better for those henchmen working for a guy with a puppet than say working for Joker or some of the others. He was basically a gangster with a weird puppet fetish than a regular psycho.
Anyways, I thought that episode handled the character rather well, and I really could see him fitting into a movie very well. Not as the main bad, but a secondary bad easily. The idea looks stupid on the surface, but if played as a real crazy guy with real problems and a distorted view of reality, it works pretty well.

I don't think that has to be the case at all.

That could be an interpretation, but a crazy tragic guy with an inferiority complex and MPS could work. Make him less psycho and more a fidgety, small, pathetic figure with no self confidence, who is unconsciously using the dummy to let out his anger at his situation and help him act out his fantasies that he won't even admit to having.But still people will just think oh look at that phsyco with a dummy and says it is the dummies fault.It could but that last film did so well that putting this character in it makes audience think "what the hell happen."

Lew Moxon

05-16-2009, 12:41 AM

Alright, I've been having some thoughts on this.

recently, I took it upon myself (for reasons entirely unrelated to Batman) to watch Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes.

I loved it, but while my mind was racing, I thought. With an updated setting, this version of Holmes-or something like it. would be perfect for BBIII.

A brilliant, manic, obessive detective. vs a man on the run.

now, I got to thinking, who best for that position?

I would pick Riddler, as I've already imagined him as a agent of the police who lays out his Riddles in a deliberate effort to capture Batman.

Now, perhaps in my fanboy ideas I have somehow made light of Mr. Brett's performance. That isn't my intent. Indeed, it is one of the best performances I've seen, certainly of the figure himself.

nepenthes

05-16-2009, 01:36 AM

As much as I like the Riddler I just can't see how he can reasonably deliver on the scale necessary for Batman 3.

I'm not asking for Armageddon level threats or a Spiderman3 type villain parade. But consider, in TDK the Joker did the following things to Batman:

1) killed the love of his life
2) peverted and destroyed the "white hope" of the city both symbolically and figuratively
3) tested Batmans morals and convictions almost to breaking point: drove Batman to become a harsher, somewhat more questionable vigilante (throwing people of buildings, spying on the whole city). this can be seen as a defeat of principle
4) turned the entire city against him
5) turned the city against each other (mobs tried to murder Reese Harto)

and the Riddler's gonna do what? lay a few puzzles, steal some shit, confuse the media and police. give batman a headache? Of course you could make him do some dire, dire things, anything you want really, but from the Riddler? it just wouldn't seem right. that some guy in a green suit babbling about mysteries can out-damage the THE JOKER. no audience will buy it.

Lew Moxon

05-16-2009, 02:03 AM

As much as I like the Riddler I just can't see how he can reasonably deliver on the scale necessary for Batman 3. I'm not asking for Armageddon level threats or a Spiderman 3 type villain parade, but consider: in the TDK the Joker did the following things to Batman:

1) killed the love of his life
2) peverted and destroyed the "white hope" of the city both symbolically and figuratively
3) tested Batmans morals and convictions almost to breaking point: drove Batman to become a harsher somewhat more questionable vigilante (breaking peoples legs, spying on the whole city). this can be seen as a defeat of principle
4) turned the entire city against him
5) turned the city against each other (mobs tried to murder Reese Harto)

and the Riddler's gonna do what? lay a few puzzles, steal some shit, confuse the media and police. give batman a headache? Of course you could make him do some dire, dire things, anything you want really, but from the Riddler? it just wouldn't seem right. that some guy in a green suit babbling about mysteries can out-damage the THE JOKER. no audience will buy it.

To be fair though, that could be said for almost any reasonable villain who could follow. They've used Joker Ra's Al Ghul, Two-Face, Scarecrow. Threat wise, they probably can't up the ante. After Joker, almost anybody is going to seem like less of a threat.

carabas

05-16-2009, 04:19 AM

Lew Moxon

05-16-2009, 10:24 AM

Well, the obvious way to go would be Ra's again, with Talia.
I mean, the love interest got killed. There just has to be a replacement.

Now that I think of it, Rachel's death almost certifies either Talia or Catwoman being in the next one.

But, Ra's-or at least the one who appeared in Begins-is dead. Not quite as dead as Harvey Dent-but dead nonetheless.

I somehow doubt Ducard/Ra's survived the events of Begins. And from a more practical standpoint, I doubt Liam Neeson would be willing to return. Even with TDK's success.

If we are going based on the Begins timeline, as much as Talia sounds great in theory, it seems hard to squeeze her in as Ducard's daughter. It just raises too many questions, to quote another Batman movie. Namely.

1. Why wasn't she killed along with Ducard's wife.
2. Where was she in Begins?

Granted, it's not impossible for Nolan to come up with explainations for this, but still-it'd feel like a new retcon.

But I agree, either Talia or Selina will make an appearance

carabas

05-16-2009, 12:16 PM

But, Ra's-or at least the one who appeared in Begins-is dead. Not quite as dead as Harvey Dent-but dead nonetheless.He's Ra's Al Ghul. If Nolan's universe supports city-wide, cell phone powered sonar and vaporising sci-fi bombs, it'll support alchemy as well.

I doubt Liam Neeson would be willing to return.A fair point. Maybe chuck money at him until he folds. Or maybe the probability for an encore was in his original contract. He did after all sign up to play a villain most known for his regenerative nature.

1. Why wasn't she killed along with Ducard's wife.
He has lived for a very long time and has had way more than one wife. At least I got the impression in Begins that Ra'swas considerably older than he seemed, as if he spoke of teh realistaions of his League as things he personally made happen.
2. Where was she in Begins?Hardly relevant. Her not appearing in Begins does not mean she does not exist. Maybe she was at home, minding day-to-day business whilst daddy went adventuring again.
Gordon still can have a niece called Barbara even if she was not mentioned in the first two films.

AJM

05-16-2009, 01:32 PM

But, Ra's-or at least the one who appeared in Begins-is dead. Not quite as dead as Harvey Dent-but dead nonetheless.

Says who? If Nolan wanted us to think that Ra's was dead beyond doubt, why didn't he show us a body like he did with Harvey?

I doubt Liam Neeson would be willing to return. Even with TDK's success.

Why not? He's already doing a sequel to Taken, so he clearly doesn't have a problem returning to franchises. And the next Batman film is pretty much a guaranteed hit - why wouldn't he want to be part of that?

I'm not saying that i think Ra's will or should return, but it's still an unlikely possibility. And i doubt they'd use Talia either, she's too obscure to follow the Joker and Two-Face - so i think Catwoman is a given. I've never been a fan of the Riddler but he's the obvious choice, and i imagine Nolan would do him in a kind of Seven style and it could be pretty cool.

Fantasy League: a subplot with James Gandolfini as the Penguin (i still miss The Sopranos), and Man-Bat. He's probably too sci-fi for Nolan, but there's a lot of genetic engineering around these days so it could maybe work. Black Mask maybe, but i think there was enough facial deformity in the last film. Although it could tie into Catwoman quite nicely.

Lew Moxon

05-16-2009, 01:50 PM

Says who? If Nolan wanted us to think that Ra's was dead beyond doubt, why didn't he show us a body like he did with Harvey?
As I said, its easier to bring Ra's back than to bring Harvey back, for several reasons, one of which you mentioned. At the same time, would there even be a body to be seen? Would it not be completely destroyed in the wreckage? If this was in a comic elseworlds or something, yeah Ra's would be back. Villains have a long history of surviving stuff like that. But in Nolans world? Not so sure. Also, if Ra's survived, my guess is that he's at least in some kind of coma, no way he escaped from the wreckage without any injuries. Which means he's in a hospital somewhere. My guess is that he might have been taken to somewhere in Gotham, but he's probably long gone by now. Or else we would have heard something in TDK during the hospital scene. Exactly how long has it been since Begins when TDK opens? I think that's the crucial question here.

Why not? He's already doing a sequel to Taken, so he clearly doesn't have a problem returning to franchises. And the next Batman film is pretty much a guaranteed hit - why wouldn't he want to be part of that?
I was under the impression that Neeson was currently semiretired from acting, and that he did not like the role much to begin with.

AJM

05-16-2009, 03:09 PM

I was under the impression that Neeson was currently semiretired from acting, and that he did not like the role much to begin with.

According to IMDB, he's got 3 films in post-production, 2 in development and currently filming 1. Doesn't sound like retirement to me!

Where did you hear he didn't like playing Ra's?

Anyway, as i said, i don't think he's coming back but it can be pulled off if they want to.

carabas

05-16-2009, 04:08 PM

Would it not be completely destroyed in the wreckage? Not likely. Explosions blow people into smaller bits, they don't completely disintegrate them.
And even outside of superhero comics, no body = no corpse tends to hold true.

comicsmetal

05-16-2009, 11:59 PM

According to IMDB, he's got 3 films in post-production, 2 in development and currently filming 1. Doesn't sound like retirement to me!

Where did you hear he didn't like playing Ra's?

Anyway, as i said, i don't think he's coming back but it can be pulled off if they want to.

He might have obligations to those films but I think with the passing of his wife,he might want to take a break form acting.

Also Nolan said that Ra was dead and will not be back.He wants the moives to be separate films.

carabas

05-17-2009, 01:46 AM

Also Nolan said that Ra was dead and will not be back.Like he's spoil the main villain of his film years in advanve, before there even isa script;

He wants the moives to be separate films.Then maybe he shouldn't do Batman films. Pointles argument, since plenty of stuff from the Dark Knight goes back to Batman Begins.

As for Liam Neeson, he can be recast. He wasn't a particularly good Ra's, and it's not as if they didn't recast Rachel in a heartbeat when Katie Holmes sadly ended her career decades early and turned into a Scientology zombie.

nepenthes

05-17-2009, 02:09 AM

carabas

05-17-2009, 04:59 AM

Furthermore I don't believe the Nolans are simply that bereft of ideas, that they'll just bring out the same old guy again that started the franchise. How cheap is that?Some good points, but this? It's frelling Ra's Al Ghul. Him coming back from the dead is part of the character. I think you simply should not use Ra's Al Ghul if you don't intend to revisit the character later .

JumpingJupiter

05-17-2009, 05:47 AM

Sinestro!!!!

Lew Moxon

05-17-2009, 11:26 AM

He might have obligations to those films but I think with the passing of his wife,he might want to take a break form acting.

Also Nolan said that Ra was dead and will not be back.He wants the moives to be separate films.
HHI
While I agree that we probably won't see Ra', I hadn't heard Nolan say he was dead in an interview.

But I disagree with the second point, these movies are clearly intended to be more related to each other than the previous franchise.

Hence, in TDK we see that

There is still a Scarecrow
Carmine Falcone is in Arkham
Gordon is a Lt.
The Joker exists
Rachel Dawes is still with the Da's office
Wayne Manor is still being rebuilt
ect.

BBIII will most likely continue from the end of TDK, with Batman on the run.

Also, it seems we are going to be waiting a while for it. There's some evidence that it isn't coming out till 2012.

Lew Moxon

05-17-2009, 12:19 PM

Ra's will not be returning, you can bet on that. One it's a backwards step and two you don't just reintroduce a character that was completely ABSENT in the second part of a three film trilogy. In 2011 Batman Begins will be six years old. Nolan and the producers will be fully aware of the fact that perhaps a majority of their audience will have only seen Batman Begins once. Even if they haven't, you have to make a film with that in mind, that an audience will have mostly forgotten what Ra's was all about come 2011.

Furthermore I don't believe the Nolans are simply that bereft of ideas, that they'll just bring out the same old guy again that started the franchise. How cheap is that? "Surprise!, he isn't dead, isn't that impressive?". Not really. It was just Liam Neeson with a brown suit and a weird mustache talking a bunch of mumbo jumbo about justice and whatever. That's gonna be the mainstream memory of Ra's in 2011. It would be a devastatingly underwhelming cap to the trilogy

Would you be as opposed to an appearance by Talia?

And to play devils advocate, who says Ra's has to be the main villain? It could just be a glorified cameo, or something similar. Two minutes of screen time for Ra's to question Bruce about his failures, and to ask him if things might have been better off had Bruce gone along with the purging of Gotham.

I wouldn't call such a cameo underwhelming, considering it wouldn't be the central focus of the film.

If Scarecrow can have a cameo in TDK, assuming they can explain his survival-why can't Ra's in BBIII?

Avenger08

05-17-2009, 05:50 PM

I dont know if it would be batman 3 but i definetly would like to see Bane in one of the movies. #3 would be a perfect time for him, like the "he breaks the bat in his time of weakness whilst the police are after him for murder, the city condemns him, and all the villains he has stopped are out again" type thing.

But killer croc shouldnt be a major villain in them, and he should be much more realistic than in the comics themselves. but i could definetly see it.

Mr Blinky

05-17-2009, 07:26 PM

I hope it's Lady Shiva. She could fit the more realistic tone of the Nolan-verse, being as she is just an obsessive martial artist, and it'd be nice to see Batman actually fight someone on his level (or above). Plus, she's never appeared in any medium other than the comics, and I feel sorry for her. :biggrin:

The events of TDK and stories of the supposedly murderous Batman draw her to Gotham, looking for a decent challenge...

Or Cornelius Stirk! :biggrin:

comicsmetal

05-17-2009, 07:46 PM

HHI
While I agree that we probably won't see Ra', I hadn't heard Nolan say he was dead in an interview.

But I disagree with the second point, these movies are clearly intended to be more related to each other than the previous franchise.

Hence, in TDK we see that

There is still a Scarecrow
Carmine Falcone is in Arkham
Gordon is a Lt.
The Joker exists
Rachel Dawes is still with the Da's office
Wayne Manor is still being rebuilt
ect.

BBIII will most likely continue from the end of TDK, with Batman on the run.

Also, it seems we are going to be waiting a while for it. There's some evidence that it isn't coming out till 2012.

Okey ,i have seen the Begins on tv the other day(some of it today) and clearly Ra's is not alive no one can survive a explosion.

comicsmetal

05-17-2009, 07:48 PM

Would you be as opposed to an appearance by Talia?

And to play devils advocate, who says Ra's has to be the main villain? It could just be a glorified cameo, or something similar. Two minutes of screen time for Ra's to question Bruce about his failures, and to ask him if things might have been better off had Bruce gone along with the purging of Gotham.

I wouldn't call such a cameo underwhelming, considering it wouldn't be the central focus of the film.

If Scarecrow can have a cameo in TDK, assuming they can explain his survival-why can't Ra's in BBIII?

The thing with Scarecrow he did not die Rachel Tasered him ,when he was on the hoarse and the hoarse sped off.

Ra's clearly dies in the film because no one in real life can survive a explotion.

Lew Moxon

05-17-2009, 09:20 PM

The thing with Scarecrow he did not die Rachel Tasered him ,when he was on the hoarse and the hoarse sped off.

Ra's clearly dies in the film because no one in real life can survive a explotion.

For, the record, I was playing Devils Advocate there, so I don't actually think that Ra's is coming back.

My point was-if and its a pretty big if-Ra's survived somehow, a cameo would not be ruinous to a sequal. I'm no Doctor, so I can't say whether its a medical possibility for someone like Ducard to have survived, indeed, your probably right on this point. But if the Nolans wanted to bring him back-for whatever reasons, I sincerly believe they could write about Ducard's survival, and do it well.

I really have no idea what they are going to do in 3 years. I don't. And I sincerly doubt anyone who claims to know. All I can do here, is try to come up with plausible story ideas, and see what works.

And I'm probably going to be proven wrong.

For all we know the real main villain is going to be Rupert Thorne.

comicsmetal

05-17-2009, 10:57 PM

For, the record, I was playing Devils Advocate there, so I don't actually think that Ra's is coming back.

My point was-if and its a pretty big if-Ra's survived somehow, a cameo would not be ruinous to a sequal. I'm no Doctor, so I can't say whether its a medical possibility for someone like Ducard to have survived, indeed, your probably right on this point. But if the Nolans wanted to bring him back-for whatever reasons, I sincerly believe they could write about Ducard's survival, and do it well.

I really have no idea what they are going to do in 3 years. I don't. And I sincerly doubt anyone who claims to know. All I can do here, is try to come up with plausible story ideas, and see what works.

And I'm probably going to be proven wrong.

For all we know the real main villain is going to be Rupert Thorne.

I am sorry,I just hate it when film franchise ,who is based on reality bring back characters back from the dead(not as bad as in TV,Comics).It is like he died ,no one comes back to life.I do believe in some form of reincarnation but you will not remember you previous life and this new life will be a new beginning and the person you are in that life is different form you previous life(it also could be a much better life then your previous).

comicsmetal

05-17-2009, 11:04 PM

I understand some posters like to bring Tilia.Well we could she could be unknow until the end of the film as a master mind in the a gang war between the Penguin gang and the black mask false face society to destroy Gotham and finish what her father could have done.

carabas

05-18-2009, 03:12 AM

My point was-if and its a pretty big if-Ra's survived somehow, a cameo would not be ruinous to a sequal. I'm no Doctor, so I can't say whether its a medical possibility for someone like Ducard to have survived...Who even cares what is medically possible when talking about Ra's Al Ghul?

the more realistic tone of the Nolan-verseSorry, but I just don't see it. It may be lot mor realistic than the Burton and Shumacher films, but that doesn't really say much.
It's got Scarecrow, fear gas, Two-Face's burnt off mug, all sorts of sci-fi gear, a conspiracy that has shaped civilisation throughout the ages... Is a Lazarus pit for a villain who was hinted at that he was quite a bit older than he looked really that hard to conceive?

comicsmetal

05-18-2009, 04:05 AM

Who even cares what is medically possible when talking about Ra's Al Ghul?

Sorry, but I just don't see it. It may be lot mor realistic than the Burton and Shumacher films, but that doesn't really say much.
It's got Scarecrow, fear gas, Two-Face's burnt off mug, all sorts of sci-fi gear, a conspiracy that has shaped civilisation throughout the ages... Is a Lazarus pit for a villain who was hinted at that he was quite a bit older than he looked really that hard to conceive?

Those are alot more real then having a person coming back form the dead.You might not care but alot of people(meaning the general aduience) who went to see Begins and Dark Knight do not the Character of Ra's Al Ghul in the comics they only remember him form beings.So the whole he can come back and exapand his life is a bit silly to the general non-Batman fans.

timbox

05-18-2009, 05:47 AM

The logical choice for a villain in Batman 3 is Cassandra Cain, of course.

strong guy79

05-18-2009, 10:45 AM

Am I the only one who thinks Terry O'Quinn would make a really good Dark Knight Returns Batman? Then have maybe Tim Curry as an old Joker.

I think it would be cool. I don't think Hollywood would ever make an "Old Man Batman" movie, though. But like maybe if they got the latest teen sexpot superstar as Carrie Kelly it would work.

carabas

05-18-2009, 12:00 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Terry O'Quinn would make a really good Dark Knight Returns Batman?I just don't see it. He'd be better as Gordon. Or even the Joker. Hmmm. Thinking of some of th mor manic John Locke moments, I think he actually could pull of an older Joker.

But really, you want to save him to play Hugo Strange.

comicsmetal

05-18-2009, 02:46 PM

The logical choice for a villain in Batman 3 is Cassandra Cain, of course.

I do not think Nolan wants a very new character .

carabas

05-18-2009, 03:39 PM

Almost a decade is hardly very new.
But I reckon he's not really looking into Batman's allies as a source of a new villain.

comicsmetal

05-18-2009, 04:27 PM

Almost a decade is hardly very new.
But I reckon he's not really looking into Batman's allies as a source of a new villain.

Oh I thought she was very new.I just back to Batman and comics just last year.

Phantom Druid

05-18-2009, 05:19 PM

I'm pushin' for Louie the Lilac.

Vakanai

05-22-2009, 08:41 PM

As far as Ras or Talia is concerned, I just feel like it would be too soon. Maybe in a fourth or fifth movie, but not now. Just revisiting the first one.
As for other villains being a letdown after the Joker, that depends on the direction.
Maybe it won't have as many explosions, but if you focus more on Batman's personal dillemas and trials, and less on him saving Gotham from a super menace, I think a combination of Riddler and Catwoman could be very effective, especially with that Riddler as detective idea mentioned earlier. It may be a special effects letdown, but it could be more satisfying in an emotional and mental way, depending on how they do it.

Besides, who can top Joker? No villain is going to top that, but a good and creative use of a villain and a story could top TDK.

Kristofer

05-22-2009, 10:12 PM

I don't know. With this still being the "beginning" of Batman's existence to Gotham, bringing in Bane would cause the whole series to make a U-turn into the Schuemacher World.
1. In order for Bane to come in and "break" Batman, they would require someone else to be Batman, i.e. John Paul.. If John Paul is to exist, then Tim Drake would be required to exist, or.. at very least, Richard Grayson. Since, Richard Grayson is "in a baby bed somewhere" there is no way to have these characters co-exist.
2. If you eliminate the whole idea of Bane breaking the Bat and use Bane to be a random Hitman-for-hire, then we'll have another Batman & Robin on our hands. Bane wouldn't be running the show, Talia or whomever else (Pamela Isley?) would be pulling his strings...
3. It is way to soon for any of this. Batman Begins was to show us just HOW (instead of why) Bruce became Batman. The Dark Knight was to show us just HOW Batman could cope with a criminal that could not be predetermined (Some people just want to watch the world burn).
In my own opinion.... Riddler, someone who uses extensive planning to create controlled chaos. Cause Batman to rethink his ideal of the criminal psyche. A man who leaves all of these clues to either who he is, his whereabouts, his purpose, his next target, or all of them... and can STILL elude everyone. That's a true test to the World's Greatest Detective's patience and sanity. Just like the Zodiac, he made phone calls to the police and still couldn't be caught. Just think what that does to the ego of a police department, much less, to a man who devotes his entire life and safety to catching these types of people. No, Riddler shouldn't run around in bright green garb, but, green should be a bit present. No, he shouldn't leave Elem School riddles for Batman to solve, but, leave puzzles, or perfectly-placed clues that he knows only Batman could find.
Batman Begins - showed us his strength
The Dark Knight - showed us his confidence
Batman 3 - show us his detective skills

Bicycle-Repairman

05-22-2009, 11:34 PM

It's too bad Nolan doesn't want to use the Penguin in his Batman films. I think the Penguin is actually one of the more realistic Batman villains. In the comics he was a sophisticated criminal mastermind instead of the grotesque, sewer dwelling circus freak raised by penguins in Batman Returns. He wears a tuxedo instead of a gaudy costume. He's motivated by a desire for wealth, respect, and power instead of some strange psychological compulsion. "Penguin" is more of a nickname than a super-villain identity. The only thing unusual about the Penguin's appearance is his large nose and that could be depicted more subtly for film. Umbrellas that turn into helicopters wouldn't work in a Nolan film, but it would be believable for the Penguin to conceal a blade or gun inside an umbrella. A more traditional depiction of the Penguin would be so different from Tim Burton's interpretation in Batman Returns it would be like a completely different character.

The Penguin could rise to the top of Gotham's underworld now that most of the crime lords are dead and the Joker is in Arkham. The Penguin could hide his criminal empire behind the image of being a respectable businessman, in contrast to the heroic Batman being viewed as a killer and hounded by the police. Another villain could be employed by the Penguin as a physical threat to Batman. I think Bob Hoskins would be the perfect Penguin. Here's what he would look like with a longer nose.

drpblunt

05-23-2009, 04:36 AM

Meadow

05-23-2009, 04:55 AM

I think Black Mask would be a good choice. He's a relatively unknown villain to the mainstream, but has lots of potential. Not sure if having two villains will work, as it really didn't in TDK, but Deadshot could also be added in, as a hitman working for Black Mask perhaps?

Bicycle-Repairman

05-23-2009, 09:29 AM

Having multiple villains in a movie is tricky. If you have too many bad guys running around with their own agendas the plot can become an overcrowded mess, like in Batman Returns and Spider-Man 3. I prefer having one main villain. There are a few cases where I think having multiple villains worked in a super-hero movie, like Batman Begins and Superman II, but in those cases the head villain was calling the shots and the others worked for him.

Vakanai

05-24-2009, 09:11 PM

why is everyone so obsessed with catwoman being introduced as a villan per se, it would be cool if they introduced her a s another vigalantie who uses a similar theme but protects the lower classes like hookers and poor folk like she has been in the comics recently. thats my 2 cents

Well, the problem is most people are more familiar with a more criminal Catwoman. She's an iconic villain. Plus, some may feel that a heroic Catwoman has already been portrayed, in that Godawful movie, and they probably want to keep any new Catwoman as far away from that as possible. So, she is known popularly by many people as a villain (and people, according to Hollywood, get confused easily and scared by change) and they probably don't want to mess up again like they did with the last Catwoman, assuming she makes a film appearance anytime soon.

I think Black Mask would be a good choice. He's a relatively unknown villain to the mainstream, but has lots of potential. Not sure if having two villains will work, as it really didn't in TDK, but Deadshot could also be added in, as a hitman working for Black Mask perhaps?

I thought it worked pretty well.

Having multiple villains in a movie is tricky. If you have too many bad guys running around with their own agendas the plot can become an overcrowded mess, like in Batman Returns and Spider-Man 3. I prefer having one main villain. There are a few cases where I think having multiple villains worked in a super-hero movie, like Batman Begins and Superman II, but in those cases the head villain was calling the shots and the others worked for him.

I actually liked Batman Returns, the two villains thing worked in that one.
Now Forever and B&R however, they really should have had just one. Two Face and Freeze, respectfully. Carrey was too over the top as a villain, and Poison Ivy was a meh villain.
But a head villain and a henchman villain does seem to work a lot better than full co-villains.

hondobrode

05-31-2009, 09:07 PM

I'm a huge Azrael fan and would love to see him in a Bat movie.

The Wraith as the mirror opposite of Batman would be great.

Yes, Deadshot could be a good villain but would probably be better working in tandem with someone else and isn't quite as distinctive as some other possibilities.

Hugo Strange knowing Batman's identity maybe.

Backing off Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, Bane, Ra's al Ghul, Mr. Freeze, Riddler, Two-Face and Scarecrow would be for the best, at least for the next movie.

vcassel

05-31-2009, 09:43 PM

although it goes against nolan's very real concept of batman's world, i think for where batman was left in the last movie manbat would be the perfect villain to use. batman is being hunted and is feared by gotham city. a giant bat starts killing people. everyone assumes it's batman and really go after him. catwoman would be a another great choice for this movie because being on the outs with the law and being a masked vigilante/thief would make her identifiable to batman. he tries to stop her of course but also tries to save her as he tries to save himself. selina kyle would work in wayne's world as a high price escort and that's how she picks her marks.

Jorriss

05-31-2009, 10:31 PM

It's ambitious but I'd like Black Mask and Penguin competing for Gotham, while putting out contracts on Batman, including [if it's she's not ridiculous in this world] Lady Shiva and Deadshot.

I'd also like the Riddler.

That many players feels a bit cluttered. Deadshot and Shiva don't need much screen time, but Black Mask, Penguin and Riddler at once? I don't know. Maybe just Black Mask?

JohnnyAngel77

05-31-2009, 10:42 PM

For casting, I like the idea of Kate Beckinsale the best.

Oh my god....YES!!!!

vcassel

05-31-2009, 10:54 PM

i do think kate beckinsale is one of the most gorgeous actresses working and she looks damn good in tight vinyl/leather. but she's worked with bale before and i thought there was very little chemistry there. the only other suggestion i've heard for catwoman that i really like are rachel weisz and anne hathaway. rachel weisz really has the acting chops for a role like that though. has anyone else seen the shape of things? how manipulative her character is in that movie? she's really a great actress.

vcassel

06-01-2009, 07:18 AM

i should have added but feel that it's to late to edit in that rasario dawson would also be an inspired choice for catwoman.

NewMutant

06-02-2009, 08:03 PM

Lew Moxon

06-02-2009, 08:31 PM

Catwoman needs to be in this movie.

I hope Harley Quinn is in the movie in some fashion. Either as a doctor in Arkham, villian in the beginning who is Joker obbessed or something. It would be a good tribute to Joker without using him.

And if its the last of the current series I would love it to end with Bruce going to the circus to see the Flying Graysons.

I love Harley more than anybody, well short of that girl with the whole website devoted to her, but I'm not sure I want to see Quinn in the next movie or not. I mean, they just did the Joker having Harley might be a little too much like Joker part II. Then again, the movie's coming out in 2012, so probably enough time would have passed by then.

As for the other suggestion, I think that would amount to tying the hands of the next director.

NewMutant

06-02-2009, 09:44 PM

I love Harley more than anybody, well short of that girl with the whole website devoted to her, but I'm not sure I want to see Quinn in the next movie or not. I mean, they just did the Joker having Harley might be a little too much like Joker part II. Then again, the movie's coming out in 2012, so probably enough time would have passed by then.

As for the other suggestion, I think that would amount to tying the hands of the next director.

Thats why I suggest they use her as an opening character similar to Scarecrow in TDK. I'm positive Joker would have has some sort of appearance in the next movie and this way it still suggests his presence without using him. And Harley could be in the first 10 mins. I like how Scarecrow connected the films. Then use Catwomen and someone as the main villians.