Will Beast return to his more ape like incarnation?

[Winghead]

Just wondering. He's been cat beast for a long time now, and it seems most people prefer the pre Morrison version of Hank. Do you think he will lose the cat like appearance in the near future?

[Fatguy]

I wish. But I doubt it, Cat Beast and Diamond Emma are around so Marvel can say they didn't wipe away EVERYTHING from Morrison's run.

[AcesX1X]

no, i really don't.

he was changed to cat beast because morrison really wanted some crazy beauty and the beast drama going on in his book, and plus, marvel never got over the frustration of beast looking like a blue wolverine.

[darknessatnoon]

I did this thread already (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=235530).

[strathcona]

I wish. But I doubt it, Cat Beast and Diamond Emma are around so Marvel can say they didn't wipe away EVERYTHING from Morrison's run.

No.. I really don't think that's the reason.

I would love to see Ape Hank back... and have him hanging out with Wonder Man.

[timbox]

I did this thread already (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=235530).

Sorry! This thread is closed!

[Fatguy]

No.. I really don't think that's the reason.

Oh. 10101010

[timbox]

Harry is better than Beast no matter what shape he is in.

[darknessatnoon]

Harry is better than Beast no matter what shape he is in.

It's true. And if he were blue, I'd probably keep him.

[Azure]

Bollocks, I voted for the wrong option. THIS POLL WAS CONFUSING.

Cat Beast is the Best Beast. Monkeys are rubbish.

[AcesX1X]

i liked it when he was that monster in mutant x.

[timbox]

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/Picture003.jpg

[darknessatnoon]

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v375/179/11/1415031788/n1415031788_30123041_8813.jpg

[Canemacar]

Meh. They should give him a third form. Maybe a grizzly.

[timbox]

Beast needs a sex change.

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1953/179/11/1415031788/n1415031788_30123070_3838.jpg

[Fatguy]

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/Picture003.jpg

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

I want to pet it.

[lockerogue]

Cat Beast should die. Ape Beast must make a comeback.

I would like to pet 7(e). But I am afraid she might bite or scratch me.

[timbox]

I would like to pet 7(e). But I am afraid she might bite or scratch me.

She would. I am the only one she shows respect to.

[AcesX1X]

maybe beast should become a robot next.

[DisasterKid]

come on guys, we ALL know that in upcoming months beast will be kidnapped during a mission with the X Club, and be missing for months..

Scott will form 74 new x-men teams who's sole jobs are to search for the missing Hank McCoy, but their search will be in vain, b/c they are b-listers and they dont get the ability to contribute to the overall arc!.

anyway hes missing for months,...ultimately just to be found by wolverine at some point in the weapon x series and in a surprising twist turns out to be romulus, therefore now being a wolf.

flashback series introduced to retconn his early childhood, channeling the adventures of michael j fox in the blockbuster movie event that was, TEEN WOLF!

duhhh!.

lol

[The Black Guardian]

Sadly, I think Hank will remain a fugly cat for a long, long time to come.

[Sgt. Preston]

Hank's going to continue using his litterbox for the forseeable future.

[Charybdis4]

Just have Kitty Hank hack up a massive fur ball which (GASP!) transforms into Monkey Hank - hooray!!

The withered shell of the cat monstrosity can be given to Pixie or Anole to play with.

[Joe Franklin]

Sadly, I think Hank will remain a fugly cat for a long, long time to come.

True.

Since Hank is only a supporting cast character, and does not have his own ongoing series, Marvel can turn him into anything, and it will not effect sales on the X-Men books either way. Background characters can suck, and it doesn't hurt sales figures one bit.

Only Headliner characters like Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Iron Man have to maintain popular incarnations, and Marvel will make money. The background characters can be toyed with and ruined with no effects on readership.

[jmc247]

I am just waiting for Marvel to turn him into a wolverine like creature with massive bone claws... its only a matter of time.

[Doc Goblin]

He'll probably remain cat Beast for awhile. And that's a good thing.

[Joe Acro]

I did this thread already (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=235530).
No, yours was better.

I think answering this poll requires me to know the future.

[Dagger]

Where is the Beast should die instead option? This thread FAILS.

[Alan2099]

Will he return? Eventually. Probably not for a long time though.

SHOULD he return? Oh HELL YEAH!

[Weapon Z]

I'm thinking bear Beast next.

[ManiacalWon]

I like the White Fur-Beast...

So Maybe bring some of that grey into his hide in an interesting pattern...

[worstblogever]

So far in the past twelve months...

Angel has gone back to being blue Archangel.

Psylocke has ended up back in her original British body.

...

Things do tend to come in threes, right?

[Canemacar]

So far in the past twelve months...

Angel has gone back to being blue Archangel.

Psylocke has ended up back in her original British body.

...

Things do tend to come in threes, right?

If you lengthen the time-limit, Black Gambit turned back into Honkey Gambit. There's your third.

[worstblogever]

If you lengthen the time-limit, Black Gambit turned back into Honkey Gambit. There's your third.

Ah, okay then. Beast's stuck as a cat.

[Crowforge]

I know Frank Cho wanted to do it for his avengers run but couldn't get the character. That'd have been sweet.

[creaky]

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/Picture003.jpg

That looks like one of my kitties! He/she's gorgeous!

[Disco Jess Minge]

True.

Since Hank is only a supporting cast character, and does not have his own ongoing series, Marvel can turn him into anything, and it will not effect sales on the X-Men books either way. Background characters can suck, and it doesn't hurt sales figures one bit.



He's hardly a supporting character. He's been huge for a long time now. Especially at the expense of other characters.

[FeminineMystique]

I've checked the magic 8-Ball and it says all signs point to no

[Perkele]

Why make Beast less beastly? That clowny old form was nowhere as fierce as kitty cat form. HSSsss!

[Crowforge]

Kick a cat and you feel bad kick an ape and it tears your leg off.

[Zero Hunter]

Why make Beast less beastly? That clowny old form was nowhere as fierce as kitty cat form. HSSsss!

At least the old form made sence. The out of the blue "secondary mutation turning him into a catman" thing was just so stupid it never made sence to begin with. Plus old Beast was just 100% more fun than catbeast and his epic mopeathons.

[ch1mera]

Ever tried kicking a lion or a tiger?

Yeah, don't try kicking Beast either. :wink:

[ĐØМ]

I think he'll go back to the ape-look eventually, since nothing in comics is ever really permanent.

[FeminineMystique]

Ever tried kicking a lion or a tiger?

Or a Liger? Bred for its skills in magic?

[AcesX1X]

He's hardly a supporting character. He's been huge for a long time now. Especially at the expense of other characters.

this is a very odd statement.

[Fatguy]

this is a very odd statement.

Beast is obviously out to steal the limelight from other characters, and make writers not want to feature anybody but himself.

[Perkele]

At least the old form made sence. The out of the blue "secondary mutation turning him into a catman" thing was just so stupid it never made sence to begin with. Plus old Beast was just 100% more fun than catbeast and his epic mopeathons.

Oh please. How did ape form make any more sense than cat form or any of the other silly mutations in the x-books. I'd really like to hear how it could possibly have made any more sense at all, whatsoever.

And I could invent statistics too if I wanted to, but why bother?

And wth is a mopeathon?

[Crowforge]

Well as humans we are apes so his fiddling with his genome and coming out even more gorilla-like makes sense in a comic book kinda way. Turning into a cat for no reason takes some explaining. Why isn't he dating Hepzibah? As far as I know there wasn't any.

[skatalite]

I like the way he looks :(

More kitten, please!

[DeniseXfrost]

This poll has no flavor.

[Fatguy]

Oh please. How did ape form make any more sense than cat form or any of the other silly mutations in the x-books. I'd really like to hear how it could possibly have made any more sense at all, whatsoever.

And I could invent statistics too if I wanted to, but why bother?

And wth is a mopeathon?

Well, if you read any of Beast's appearances pre-fuzz, he always acted sort of "Apelike", so when he became a literal Beast it made a sort of sense.

Also, "invented statistics"? Like what....that he thinks Beast was 100% more fun before he became Catbeast? That's not a statistic, that's called writing your opinion. And you dont know what moping is? I love people who either try too hard to be critical of other posters, or arent smart enough to do it right. Which one are you, I wonder.

[Joe Franklin]

Oh please. How did ape form make any more sense than cat form or any of the other silly mutations in the x-books.


Because Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created Hank as an ape like man?

http://www.firstappearanceof.com/images/xmen1.jpg

[creaky]

Or a Liger? Bred for its skills in magic?

Was that a Napoleon Dynamite reference?!

[Perkele]

Also, "invented statistics"? Like what....that he thinks Beast was 100% more fun before he became Catbeast? That's not a statistic, that's called writing your opinion. And you dont know what moping is? I love people who either try too hard to be critical of other posters, or arent smart enough to do it right. Which one are you, I wonder.

What an ironic thing to say.

Of course it's an opinion, hence it being a made up statistic. Geez. And pardon me for not understanding an English portmanteau at first. These things sometimes escape me, as English is not my native tongue


Because Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created Hank as an ape like man?

And Iceman was a pile of snow apparently, your point? Was that better as well in your opinion? (See, I asked for an opinion since posts seem to be needed to be created with a meticulous approach, apparently)

These characters change with the times. All this nostalgia in comics recently is starting to get tiresome. I personally would hate to see that design return

[Seres]

Beast is NOT allowed to date Hepzibah.

[T Hedge Coke]

Well as humans we are apes so his fiddling with his genome and coming out even more gorilla-like makes sense in a comic book kinda way.

Beast looked more ape-like before he turned blue with pointy tips on his hair. Clearly, he's been slowly evolving away from ape-ness the whole time.

I do love the way Quitely drew cat-Beast, but otherwise, either way. Losing some of his dexterity was a tragedy that Beast overcame and that was a nice little character arc, but best to find a new way to make him different, than to regress to a previous form (unless he goes all the way back).

As for Secondary Mutations, the only thing new about those was the name. Mutants have been developing new or secondary powers or forms since nearly the beginning of Marvel's use of the term "mutant".

[remoteman]

I like Cat Beast :confused:

[ĐØМ]

What an ironic thing to say.
And Iceman was a pile of snow apparently, your point? Was that better as well in your opinion? (See, I asked for an opinion since posts seem to be needed to be created with a meticulous approach, apparently)




That's not really a change. Snow is ice (small bits of it, anyway), so it was just a way of showing him getting better with his abilities.
Beast, on the other hand, was always shown to have ape-like qualities and the furred look was just an extension of that.

[timbox]

Beast is NOT allowed to date Hepzibah.

Harry IS allowed to date Hepzibah.

[DisasterKid]

Harry IS allowed to date Hepzibah.

who's harry? lol.

just kidding. i wouldnt nitpick that

but does it matter? i think the entire deal with the secondary mutation was to have something specific to Beast going on. Hes always a secondary character, so when his secondary mutation occurred, he became primary... or relevant :)

i honestly dont see the harm done in it, it is comics after all so at some point he can and probably will change back...

i know on here it was mentioned the amount of confusion and frustration that beast looked similar to wolverine, if that was the case they could of simply made him look more like his Ultimate counterpart.

ahh well. maybe he'll find a cure along with jumpstarting the x gene.

[Fatguy]

What an ironic thing to say.

Of course it's an opinion, hence it being a made up statistic.

What an idiotic thing to say.



And Iceman was a pile of snow apparently, your point?

His point being, you raised the question "How did ape form make any more sense?". This is how it made more sense. Because he was created as an apelike man.

[ĐØМ]

i know on here it was mentioned the amount of confusion and frustration that beast looked similar to wolverine,



It was really the other way around.

[Crowforge]

Beast looked more ape-like before he turned blue with pointy tips on his hair. Clearly, he's been slowly evolving away from ape-ness the whole time.

I do love the way Quitely drew cat-Beast, but otherwise, either way. Losing some of his dexterity was a tragedy that Beast overcame and that was a nice little character arc, but best to find a new way to make him different, than to regress to a previous form (unless he goes all the way back).

As for Secondary Mutations, the only thing new about those was the name. Mutants have been developing new or secondary powers or forms since nearly the beginning of Marvel's use of the term "mutant".

Dexterity Gauntlets. You know for a genius he's pretty slow. Beast's new look wasn't the result of a secondary mutation. He used an experimental mutagen on himself. That makes him a mutant mutate.
And if I can get a little meta, I just don't like the new look. If I can get a little more juvenile, I think it looks poopy.

[DisasterKid]

It was really the other way around.

well in any case they weren't about to change the appearance of Wolverine over the appearance of Beast.


they probably figured they could change beast to anything else thats blue and no one would be the wiser lol.

[Mikl C]

Endangered species was FANTASTIC! I wish it had lasted 16 more issues, or even got its own ongoing.

[Dave13]

Pfft Elixir could undo it easilly enougth

[Will.S]

The thing about cat Beast that I have to ask is this.

Are they really capalizing on his transformation from his ape form to cat form?

Morrison and Whedon actually did something with it by showing him either have to gradually adjust to the change or have to deal with his more animalistic/savage look but as of late I haven't really seen him used in a way that really justifies keeping him that way. Even Emma's diamond changing thing has been downplayed much more since writers tend to focus more on her psychic abilities so why keep that around when it was obvious that characters powers were changed to suit Morrison's tastes rather than it feeling more organic?

[Crowforge]

Psychic characters shouldn't be fighters and they shouldn't be invincible.

[Nicoclaws]

why keep that around when it was obvious that characters powers were changed to suit Morrison's tastes rather than it feeling more organic?

Why not ? I like the new design.

[Will.S]

Why not ? I like the new design.
Its not that I don't like it or anything.

It's just that her diamond power isn't used all that much lately and writers will tend to mostly focus on her psychic ability anyway so it seems unnecessary at this point.

[Nicoclaws]

Its not that I don't like it or anything.

It's just that her diamond power isn't used all that much lately and writers will tend to mostly focus on her psychic ability anyway so it seems unnecessary at this point.

I'm talking about Beast.
Emma used her diamond form in Lovelorn (remember : "You are never alone Peter. Ever").

[T Hedge Coke]

Even Emma's diamond changing thing has been downplayed much more since writers tend to focus more on her psychic abilities so why keep that around when it was obvious that characters powers were changed to suit Morrison's tastes rather than it feeling more organic?

Emma's change was initially for reasons of plot/plan, but there was a great deal of character work spun out of it, including the flaw business, a visual/body metaphor for her shutting down of emotional affect, and the diamond domination thing with Cyke (more than shades of his old step father).

But, Beast? It reinforced a preconceived Beauty and the Beast image, yes, but it was also yet another change in a character and title that are fundamentally about constant change, fearful and wonderful change, and coping.

These were abrupt changes, but they were meant to be abrupt. The characters treated them as abrupt interruptions. Heck, Trish left Hank over it; he learned to play the drums.

It's okeh to not care for the changes, but they did have use in the stories that were being told when they happened.

[Crowforge]

Wonderful?

[T Hedge Coke]

Wonderful?

"Fearful and wonderful"... Oh noes! I look like a big blue cat! But, wait, my brain is better protected, yay for not having brain damage! and so forth.

[Crowforge]

He was already super durable and had a healing factor. Now I can't look at him and not think they should have got ron perlman for this part.

[Perkele]

Fine, I'm an idiot.


His point being, you raised the question "How did ape form make any more sense?". This is how it made more sense. Because he was created as an apelike man.

And there is no room for progress or change of any kind whatsoever? Deviating from the original format automatically harms the character? Most comic characters are already so static in nature, that any little change, whether it's merely aesthetic or not, is welcomed by me. As some stated earlier, there were stories structured around his change, making it worthwhile. It's a shame very little has been done recently with these secondary mutations character- and story-wise.

Also, I'd like to add as a final thought on a more general level that it's cute how some of you are trying to apply hard science to a franchise that is more fantasy in nature than sci-fi. So what if humans are more closely related to apes than cats? We have mutants made out of all the classical elements and everything in between. Beast was advancing/regressing along some sort of evolutionary track, and that's a good enough explanation for me. The pseudoscience in these books is nice on a theoretical level and helps to create an illusion of being grounded, but trying to apply real science here doesn't really work, especially since mutant physiology is supposed to be vastly different from humans, occasionally breaking the very laws of physics. There's no real in-universe reason why Beast's transformation doesn't make sense.

[Crowforge]

It's not like he got one or two cat like features, he's turning into a cat out of the blue, no pun intended. Not hard science just a followable pattern or line of reasoning, I just don't expect him to evolve and invisible jet out of his ass without a damn good reason.

[Will.S]

I'm talking about Beast.
Emma used her diamond form in Lovelorn (remember : "You are never alone Peter. Ever").
I'll have to check that arc out, I've been a little behind since #500.


Emma's change was initially for reasons of plot/plan, but there was a great deal of character work spun out of it, including the flaw business, a visual/body metaphor for her shutting down of emotional affect, and the diamond domination thing with Cyke (more than shades of his old step father).

But, Beast? It reinforced a preconceived Beauty and the Beast image, yes, but it was also yet another change in a character and title that are fundamentally about constant change, fearful and wonderful change, and coping.

These were abrupt changes, but they were meant to be abrupt. The characters treated them as abrupt interruptions. Heck, Trish left Hank over it; he learned to play the drums.

It's okeh to not care for the changes, but they did have use in the stories that were being told when they happened.
I realize that the Beast/Emma secondary mutations were eventually explained through reason in both Morrison and Whedon's run and I liked the reasoning for them. I just think that both of those writers are the only ones that truly capitalized on those changes while others don't really do much with it or at least portray them in a way that reflects those changes and use them effectively with exception to maybe Warren Ellis.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I'll have to check that arc out, I've been a little behind since #500.

.

Don't. It's uniformly awful.

[biscuit]

Only thing I don't really like about cat beast is he tends to look really different depending on who is drawing him. They need to make his look more consistent from book to book.

I'm sure its been said but I don't miss the ape form because he just looked like a ugly version of Wolverine.

[Alan2099]

There's no real in-universe reason why Beast's transformation doesn't make sense.
That doesn't make it any less stupid though and really adds nothing interesting to the character. In fact, it takes away more than anything. Beast was one of the few mutants that actually seemed to enjoy who and what he was with only limited ammounts of angst. Plus you have all those neat visuals of him hanging from the rafters during team meetings, workign scientific equipment with his feet, that sort of visually interesting stuff even when what's going on it's interesting at all. That's rather refreshing for the X-men. Then all the sudden, Angst city and he just kinda stands there.

[Novaya Havoc]

Endangered species was FANTASTIC! I wish it had lasted 16 more issues, or even got its own ongoing.

LOL.

ENDANGERED SPECIES 0/5!!!!!!!

Oh, the memories.

[Yearning4Yorick]

I hope he does, he was much more enjoyable in Ape form. I still remember as a kid reading X-Factor Prisoner of Love where Beast and Dazzler have a romantic fling. He looked so regal.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3760/beastdazzler.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

AUGH BURN IT BURN IT BURN IT

how DARE you

[Fatguy]

I hope he does, he was much more enjoyable in Ape form. I still remember as a kid reading X-Factor Prisoner of Love where Beast and Dazzler have a romantic fling. He looked so regal.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3760/beastdazzler.jpg

LMAO! Thank you! This image just made my day.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Could they have drawn her any worse? Tacky fried perm, bushy yellow brows, and cheap red trash nails?

[Yearning4Yorick]

AUGH BURN IT BURN IT BURN IT

how DARE you

Beast and her were going at it quite a bit in that special issue.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2958/beastdazzler2.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

AUGH BURN IT BURN IT BURN IT How DARE you?!?!?

CONSIDER YOURSELF REPORTED.

[AcesX1X]

LOLLLL11LLLLL10101010101

[darknessatnoon]

That was one of my favorite comics as a kid. Love "Butch" Guice art. Dazzler looks stupendous in it, even when making out with Beast.

[Yearning4Yorick]

It was a great pairing, a lot of love and lust could be seen in their brief relationship, she even got a little kinky.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3476/beastdazzler3.jpg

[DisasterKid]

wow Beast looks terrible there.

hes drawn more like a normal human than usual, almost like in endangered species when he fought dark beast.

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/disasterkidandco/X-Men203TheRain-Meganpg031.jpg

not a fan at all.

[AcesX1X]

wow Beast looks terrible there.

hes drawn more like a normal human than usual, almost like in endangered species when he fought dark beast.

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/disasterkidandco/X-Men203TheRain-Meganpg031.jpg

not a fan at all.

i don't understand your statement. beast always look terrible. that's why they call him "beast." he is not a handsome thing.

[Psycwave]

Dark Beast looks ravishing. You please me with your scan Disasterkid.

[DisasterKid]

acesx1x,

hes scaled down, his stature resembling more of that of a normal human, than a "hulking" figure like comics usually provide him and pretty much everyone else.

still say this is the best incarnation of cat beast though....

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/disasterkidandco/AXM_-_GB_001_012.jpg

[Yearning4Yorick]

wow Beast looks terrible there.

hes drawn more like a normal human than usual, almost like in endangered species when he fought dark beast.

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/disasterkidandco/X-Men203TheRain-Meganpg031.jpg

not a fan at all.

That's just the artist in your image drawing him horribly. Butch Guice is a talented man and did a great job capturing Beast.

[Sgt. Preston]

He was already super durable and had a healing factor. Now I can't look at him and not think they should have got ron perlman for this part.

Even the outfits are remarkably similar. Perlman's is just more Sewer Chique.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/BDikman1/AXM_-_GB_001_012.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/BDikman1/acteur_ron-perlman_20_1141998499.jpg

[T Hedge Coke]

Even the outfits are remarkably similar. Perlman's is just more Sewer Chique.

At what points are those outfits "remarkably similar"? That they are made of cloth and cover furry bodies?

[Sgt. Preston]

At what points are those outfits "remarkably similar"? That they are made of cloth and cover furry bodies?

It was a joke. A.K.A. a gross exaggeration intended to get a laugh.

[T Hedge Coke]

It was a joke. A.K.A. a gross exaggeration intended to get a laugh.

I'm more thankful, than I probably should be, that this is the case. The internet seems to be training me to take disconnects in logic at face value.

Moving on (sheepishly), has John Paul Leon just drawn Beast the same before and after his cat-ification? Seems that way to me, but I'm having memory farts all over the release schedule of Earth X and similar.

[Crowforge]

Give it an arc or two and he'll bust out the lace.

[FeminineMystique]

Was that a Napoleon Dynamite reference?!

Yes. Yes it was. :)

I like the Beasts kitten look. Though I do keep expecting him to ask if he can haz cheez burger.

[Aguja]

LOL that scan with Beast VS Dark Beast.

And people wonder why Beast is fail? Owned!

[Jhudiel]

Beast is not allowed to devolve into his pre-feline form. It would displease his Mistress, Agent Brand. She requires his epic cat-penis spikes to get off.

[GHalecki]

Here is what should happen....
Hank actually gets hit with one of Forge's old neutralizers. Since Hank was born with his first natural mutation, and then had a scientificly caused second mutation, and then had the secondary mutation (caused by who cares) that was really his third mutation, here is what happens.....

He reverts to his old blue apelike form instead of to regular human, but he is no longer actually a mutant. His form is caused by the scientific experiment having a residual effect.

Since he is no longer a mutant, he leaves the X-Men because he is now "one of them". He goes out an joins the Mighty Avengers, and lives happily ever after.

[AcesX1X]

Here is what should happen....
Since he is no longer a mutant, he leaves the X-Men because he is now "one of them". He goes out an joins the Mighty Avengers, and lives happily ever after.

your science seems flawed.