Which friendship do you miss the most?

[the Hornet]

One of the best part about the long history of the X-books is the various friendship and bond established between a particular duo. Is there any friendship that you feel has not been focused on recently that you miss? I know my poll can't cover all but if there are others, please comment on them in the thread. Thanks.

[wolvie616]

LOGAN AND NIGHTCRAWLER:eek:

i mean this is one of the strongest friendships in the mu, and they just completely ignore it

[xfire]

Storm and Gambit :frown:

[Greg Anderson]

Bishop and Storm
Gambit and Bishop

[justinkos91]

The Madripoor trio
Wolverine, Jubilee, and Psylocke

[jubilees_boyfriend]

by far Wolverine and Jubilee... the Wolverine series at that time was always my favorite- They have so much history together.
It really bugs me that Jubes has been pushed to the sidelines recently. She wasn't even in the Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon, and her movie version didn't even get a chance to talk to him.

[creaky]

LOGAN AND NIGHTCRAWLER:eek:

i mean this is one of the strongest friendships in the mu, and they just completely ignore it

Aye and Amen. Wolverine is all over the place, while Nightcrawler does nothing but get punched and sliced.
When Logan set out to hunt down and kill Kurt's mom, one would think that, among the onslaught of one-shots and minis recently, there would be a place for at least a little thing dealing with this. I mean, it's a little bizarre, no? If we can get a short story where Logan helps Cyke deal with Corsair's death, then surely...? But no.

[psychic_therapy]

Wolverine and Jubes. She needs to come back already.

[Fatguy]

I voted for Rictor/Shatterstar because, sadly, I miss Shatterstar.

[Shade101]

I miss the Storm and Jean Grey relationship. Hell, I just outright miss Jean. :(

[peopleofpaper]

Jean and Storm. They both seemed pretty rational and adult and had a cute bond.

I liked Wolverine and Jubilee too though. I hope they don't make Wolverine have a bond with Pixie or Armor. Just bring back Jubilee and make the sisterhood kill those girls. :evilsmile:

[justinkos91]

Jean and Storm. They both seemed pretty rational and adult and had a cute bond.

I liked Wolverine and Jubilee too though. I hope they don't make Wolverine have a bond with Pixie or Armor. Just bring back Jubilee and make the sisterhood kill those girls. :evilsmile:

Jubilee is irreplacable.

[eurazn]

Jubilee is irreplacable.

Tell that to Armor :frown:

[steve2275]

i miss the ororo peter friendship

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Jubilee is irreplacable.


I Third this, Peace.

[spiderwire]

Wolverine and Nightcrawler reunion would be awesome. I think Logan realized Kurt was Mystique's son early and took the young mutant under his wing. Knowing his connection to Mystique could be deadly. That is why I beleive Logan couldn't finish her in the desert. Nightcrawler on the other hand had a chance to drop Scalphunter but choose not to probably because he didn't want to become a demon like his friend. What If Nightcrawler was recruited to weapon x?

[justinkos91]

i miss the ororo peter friendship

I really enjoyed their friendship too.
It's as if it was forgotten completely.

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[Aguja]

Storm and Jean. Not only is the friendship gone, the characters are gone as well :frown:

[x_goalkeeper]

Wolverine and Nightcrawler, of course!

[Jack Flash]

Vincente and Husk.

[NewMutant]

Wolverine and Jubilee.

I love Cannonball and Iceman, but I don't miss it yet. But I miss the Jubilee/Wolverine dynamic. She was his best sidekick. They fit well together. I really hope we get a Larry Haman Visionaries or we speed up the Wolverine Classic TPB so we can see there great time together.

I was not a fan of the new New Warriors series. But I LOVED that Wolverine went to check up on Jubilee in it.

[SugarMan]

It's hard to vote on these, I'd like to see them all back. But Storm and Jean, Storm and Peter, Storm and Gambit, Storm and Kitty...just goes to show you how essential Storm is to the X-Men. She must have more interaction with the teams, all of them.

[Shyft]

Iceman and Cannonball! A classic bro-mance, i was sad to see such a cool new relationship end.

[NewMutant]

It's hard to vote on these, I'd like to see them all back. But Storm and Jean, Storm and Peter, Storm and Gambit, Storm and Kitty...just goes to show you how essential Storm is to the X-Men. She must have more interaction with the teams, all of them.

Storm and Gambit is a great one too!

[tlp0708]

Storm and Jean and Lorna and Jean.

[Canemacar]

It's a shame the writers don't really focus on friendships and interaction between the X-men anymore. There were a lot of interesting dynamics that have fallen by the wayside over the years.

[SugarMan]

Storm and Jean and Lorna and Jean.

Also great. Jean even "visited" Storm on her wedding eve. Lorna is the second female X-Man, and along with Havok (and Jamie) I consider to be "original" X-Men. She's also a "sister-in-law" of sorts to Jean. They should have a lot to talk about. It also brings another question to mind. Since the Summers and Grey gene pool is so sought after by Sinister, shouldn't he be as interested in a Summers/Polaris "offspring"? She is afterall Magneto's daughter, and that's a very powerful line. But not to get off topic.

[psycwave]

The Madripoor trio
Wolverine, Jubilee, and Psylocke

THIS IS THE ONLY CORRECT ANSWER!

[four_pi]

I voted Wolverine and Nightcrawler. They're such an unlikely pair...it's what made their friendship all the more special. Wolvie and Jubilee come second--the dynamic between the gruff Canuck and youthful mallrat was quite intriguing as well. And Storm and Jean is just nice--if even only to get Jean out of the Summers armpit already.

[Agent_Torpor]

Polaris and Daap.

Kitty's "friendships" in Mekanix.

[Mitteloss]

Lorna and Jean. Their interaction has always been too few and far in between.

Also great. Jean even "visited" Storm on her wedding eve. Lorna is the second female X-Man, and along with Havok (and Jamie) I consider to be "original" X-Men. She's also a "sister-in-law" of sorts to Jean. They should have a lot to talk about. It also brings another question to mind. Since the Summers and Grey gene pool is so sought after by Sinister, shouldn't he be as interested in a Summers/Polaris "offspring"? She is afterall Magneto's daughter, and that's a very powerful line. But not to get off topic.

It probably hasn't been touched upon because it's only been 7 years since it was revealed she was his daughter.

[jmc247]

Lorna and Jean. Their interaction has always been too few and far in between.

Yes, the Jean/Lorna friendship in the Silver Age was replaced in the Claremont era with the Jean/Storm friendship. We have only seen the Jean and Lorna get some pannel time together from time to time since then in the early 90s and early this decade.

[BBeeryan]

Yes, the Jean/Lorna friendship in the Silver Age was replaced in the Claremont era with the Jean/Storm friendship. We have only seen the Jean and Lorna get some pannel time together from time to time since then in the early 90s and early this decade.

Storm was just the better friend. Get over it.

[creaky]

Wolverine and Nightcrawler reunion would be awesome. I think Logan realized Kurt was Mystique's son early and took the young mutant under his wing.

I truly hope they don't go for that explanation. I think it would undermine a big part of their friendship if it turned out that Logan had ulterior motives for befriending him as quickly as he did - well-meaning or not.

[Dagger]

Storm and Kitty fo sho, bitches!

[Wise Fox]

I've got to say, I really miss the well-developed friendships of years gone by. Sure, Claremont was shooting people in the leg one minute and shooting them into space the next, but every few issues everyone would hang out in the danger room for a heart-to-heart or head out to Manhattan for some bagels and gossip. It made you feel that, in addition to being incredible heroes who could challenge the unbeatable odds and defend a world that hates and fears them that they were also... well... you know... people.

Not that there hasn't been some excellent character development recently. But more and more these people seem to be comrades-in-arms rather than friends and family members.

I dunno... maybe I'm just nostalgic. What do you folks think?

[Kirayoshi]

Logan and Kitty. They had the mentor/student or father/daughter thing.

Kitty and Illyana. Sisters from different parents.

[BabeBro]

Rogue & Storm

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[Hamdinger]

I miss Beast and Wonderman hanging out. Yeah I know its only half X-books character but still.

For pure X-men fun I'd say Logan and Kitty Pryde and then Logan and Nightcrawler.

[MuhollandDriver]

Kitty and Illyana. Those two deserved to be on this poll!

[Canemacar]

I can think of a few friendships i'd like to see in the spotlight again.

Storm & Wolverine: They're interesting because the two of them are simultaneously opposites and kindred spirits. Ororo's tranquility is a nice counterbalance to the raging fury of Logan's temperment. On the flipside, it was Wolverine that taught Storm to be less restrained and embrace her more aggresive and impulsive side.

Xavier & Magneto: I've always liked the "honored foe" trope. Two people of diametricly opposed philosophies and methods who nonetheless share a strong mutual respect. I've always felt their conflict was the most interesting when neither was presented as good or evil. Rather, both as honorable men trying in their own way to safe-guard the future of their people, but waylaid by misfortunate and their own flaws. It's like something out of a Greek tradgedy.

Gambit & Storm: This is one that has really suffered over the years. Back in the day, Remy was arguably Storm's closest friend. She played many roles for the various X-men: mother, sister, leader, protector, but Gambit was the one she could talk to without filling a role; she could just be herself and share her own fears and insecurities. His use of reverse phsychology in Uncanny #273 to get her to remember why she chose to be an x-man is a favorite.

[Jeff-X]

I miss the Storm/Bishop and Gambit/Bishop dynamics.

A bit unrelated, but I miss Banshee's interactions with all the Gen-X kids as their friend/mentor, teacher/leader.

[MuhollandDriver]

i love reading these posts.

The fact that this thread even exists tells me that something has been sorely lacking in the X-Books.

[Congo Jack]

Logan and Kurt, of course.

[jarrod]

It always bugged the shit out of me that Betsy and Doug's bond was never acknowledged post-Claremont. So much was made of Kitty and Rahne's reactions to Douglock in Excalibur, but never Betsy for some reason. :/

When Doug comes back, I hope Zeb gives us Betsy's response...

[Wise Fox]

Gambit & Storm: This is one that has really suffered over the years. Back in the day, Remy was arguably Storm's closest friend. She played many roles for the various X-men: mother, sister, leader, protector, but Gambit was the one she could talk to without filling a role; she could just be herself and share her own fears and insecurities. His use of reverse phsychology in Uncanny #273 to get her to remember why she chose to be an x-man is a favorite.

Quite a lot went missing here. Gambit seemed to become almost a completely different character after a while... it seemed like writers could only put him into scenes where he was Rogue's romantic interest. Or secretly doing bad things for Sinister. But back in the day he seemed to be the one guy who could be used in conversation with ANY character, and he revealed different sides of each character. Put Gambit in the danger room with Wolverine and we get to see what Wolverine's been hiding from the others recently. Put Gambit and Jubilee in a room and we learn what her insecurities have been. Gambit allows Storm to let her hair down, as you said, and he wound up giving Rogue a chance to express the romantic feelings she had kept buried for so long.

All that seemed to slowly disappear, after a while, and I really miss it. But I've been reading the Cajun's recent adventures with the Professor in hopes of some of it returning soon.

Oh... and what ever happened to that "persuasive power" Gambit seemed to have in his first few appearances?

[Canemacar]

Quite a lot went missing here. Gambit seemed to become almost a completely different character after a while... it seemed like writers could only put him into scenes where he was Rogue's romantic interest. Or secretly doing bad things for Sinister. But back in the day he seemed to be the one guy who could be used in conversation with ANY character, and he revealed different sides of each character. Put Gambit in the danger room with Wolverine and we get to see what Wolverine's been hiding from the others recently. Put Gambit and Jubilee in a room and we learn what her insecurities have been. Gambit allows Storm to let her hair down, as you said, and he wound up giving Rogue a chance to express the romantic feelings she had kept buried for so long.

All that seemed to slowly disappear, after a while, and I really miss it. But I've been reading the Cajun's recent adventures with the Professor in hopes of some of it returning soon.

Oh... and what ever happened to that "persuasive power" Gambit seemed to have in his first few appearances?

I miss that versatility. Even Carey only views him through the lens of Rogue; I was hoping he would at least build a rapport between Gambit and Xavier since they were adventuring together for a while, but it never really panned out past a few pages in #212.

Even if Legacy doesn't include him and Rogue as an item, it still more or less restricts any interaction to being solely with Rogue; which is the real issue behind Romy.

[Wise Fox]

I miss that versatility. Even Carey only views him through the lens of Rogue; I was hoping he would at least build a rapport between Gambit and Xavier since they were adventuring together for a while, but it never really panned out past a few pages in #212.

Even if Legacy doesn't include him and Rogue as an item, it still more or less restricts any interaction to being solely with Rogue; which is the real issue behind Romy.

Yes, I have to agree with that assessment. I haven't read the most recent Legacy yet, but I'm hoping future issues might be a chance for an extended Remy and Charles road trip where we get to see more sides of the Cajun then just his relationship with Rogue. In fact, I think it might be a good idea to keep Remy and Rogue broken up (just for a while, folks!) so that we can start to see more depth in Gambit again. Right now he seems to be Xavier's funny sidekick and Rogue's pining past romance. Let's get him a bit more developed before we go back to him having a relationship with a character as multifaceted and complex as Rogue is. Otherwise, he's just overshadowed.

[wolvie616]

after utopia, i would love to see x men legacy kinda live up to the name and focus on the lagacies and relationships of charachters. that way we get all the action in one book, and another that builds charachters

[samhalliwell]

I voted Jean/Storm, but I truly think any of the options would have been a great choice.

I'd love to have had Jean/Lorna, Jean/Bobby (maybe have them act like they do in First Class, Big Sister and Little Brother stuff), Jean/Anyone-not-Scott-or-Emma (one never knows with these crazy X-Writers), or any other friendship.

It's nice to have real-feeling non-romantic relationships in the X-Books, the family feeling has to come back, even if they're pushing and juicing the X-army thing, which has already tired me.

[limerick]

Logan and Kitty. They had the mentor/student or father/daughter thing.

Kitty and Illyana. Sisters from different parents.
Yeah,Logan and Kitty--an unlikely pairing who really clicked.Can't say they're being ignored ,though as they currently have their own (616) book-Wolverine First Class--I like!!

[Wise Fox]

after utopia, i would love to see x men legacy kinda live up to the name and focus on the lagacies and relationships of charachters. that way we get all the action in one book, and another that builds charachters


I completely agree. Though it's clear we're going to have action in most of the books, at least one of them should be heavily into character development... That's a big part of what made X-Men so appealing in the first place. These aren't just soldiers with super-powers squaring off to see who is the better fighter. They're people struggling with, among other things, prejudice, outsider status, and trying to build families and friendships in a world that wants to tear things apart.

[wolvie616]

I completely agree. Though it's clear we're going to have action in most of the books, at least one of them should be heavily into character development... That's a big part of what made X-Men so appealing in the first place. These aren't just soldiers with super-powers squaring off to see who is the better fighter. They're people struggling with, among other things, prejudice, outsider status, and trying to build families and friendships in a world that wants to tear things apart.

its like they left all development out and made everything an action flick. i miss charachter development

[DeniseXfrost]

Emma and Kitty.

Heck Emma and Jean for that matter.

[Wise Fox]

its like they left all development out and made everything an action flick. i miss charachter development

They haven't left it all out. But the increasing trend, these days, is to make comics more "cinematic," which often leads to much spectacle and little development. Which is a shame, because comics can really take the best elements of movies and intertwine them with the best elements of novels.

Which isn't to say that you should write comics as half movie/half novel, of course. Alan Moore said it best when he said that comics should take advantage of being comics.

[Wise Fox]

Emma and Kitty.

Heck Emma and Jean for that matter.

I really think that some of the best characterization in recent years has been with Emma. She's nice and complex and, though she's a well established character, she hasn't been with the team for decades. Every interaction seems like a fresh exploration of their attitudes and boundaries towards each other. Emma and Storm have had some fabulous fencing matches as of late, for example.

[MuhollandDriver]

Yes.

i just wish some writers cared as much about other female characters who are just as or more prominent.

[Phoenix_Force]

The Madripoor trio
Wolverine, Jubilee, and Psylocke

YES.

Agreed.

I also miss Jean/Ro interaction.

[eurazn]

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I miss Dazzler and Psylocke.

It's a shame how nothing came of their reunion in the pages of Die by the Sword and NEX.

[Karthak]

But the increasing trend, these days, is to make comics more "cinematic," which often leads to much spectacle and little development.

And that is a very bad move in the long run. At least in my opinion.

[blehbeh]

And that is a very bad move in the long run. At least in my opinion.

I find myself "missing" characters that still appear in a book I read every month.

The trend is to turn everything into a spectacle and event in order to sell more books in the age of piracy and a terrible economy. As a result, the X-Men more than most characters, have suffered. However, books like X-Factor, the new New Mutants, and a character focused Legacy are beacons of hope. Even the action driven X-Force has had some great character interaction during and in between the action.

Its really Uncanny that's the mess and weak link. And because its a "flagship" book and "features" the most characters, it being such a train wreck really reflects badly on the whole line.

[MuhollandDriver]

I find myself "missing" characters that still appear in a book I read every month.

The trend is to turn everything into a spectacle and event in order to sell more books in the age of piracy and a terrible economy. As a result, the X-Men more than most characters, have suffered. However, books like X-Factor, the new New Mutants, and a character focused Legacy are beacons of hope. Even the action driven X-Force has had some great character interaction during and in between the action.

Its really Uncanny that's the mess and weak link. And because its a "flagship" book and "features" the most characters, it being such a train wreck really reflects badly on the whole line.

Perfection. i want to waltz with this post.

It is something else when the flagship of the line is the weakest.

[Wise Fox]

I find myself "missing" characters that still appear in a book I read every month.

The trend is to turn everything into a spectacle and event in order to sell more books in the age of piracy and a terrible economy. As a result, the X-Men more than most characters, have suffered. However, books like X-Factor, the new New Mutants, and a character focused Legacy are beacons of hope. Even the action driven X-Force has had some great character interaction during and in between the action.

Its really Uncanny that's the mess and weak link. And because its a "flagship" book and "features" the most characters, it being such a train wreck really reflects badly on the whole line.

Marvel, as an editorial whole, chose to make an overall shift in their comics to a different style of storytelling. Narrative captions, interior monologues, and long discussions with no fighting in them were generally discouraged. Long action sequences, cinematic formatting, and decompressed storytelling were given encouragement. Some writers handled the change well... they were adept at the new style of storytelling and managed to pull off some pretty fascinating comics that not only pleased fans and sold well, but also drew in new readers who thought of the old techniques as outdated and corny.

Some writers, on the other hand, did not do as well with the changeover. They couldn't find a good "groove" in the new way of doing things and the books suffered as a whole.

As of late, though, we're starting to see a few writers who are returning to the older style, and also some writers who are finally getting the hang of the new style and are able to work in things like characterization and friendship without the use of pages full of images of people sitting still. A lot of the artists get the credit here too, as they learn that a panel of people "fighting" with words can be just as dynamic as a panel of people fighting with laser beams.

The fact that Uncanny hasn't really found a good groove as of late is lamentable, but I'm hopeful that once the powers that be start to see the great work being done in the other titles without sacrificing sales, they'll make a move towards getting Uncanny back on track.

One can only hope that'll happen, anyway.

[GeorgiaUnity]

The reason I can't (won't) pick up an X-Title is the editorial decision to keep things in a constant chaotic effect. Team memberships have been rotating endlessly on the majority of these books since Mutant Massacre, and just when a groove is struck or a friendship is forming or something starts to jive, BOOM! Everybody change partners.

Now Brubaker had a fairly decent jag, and so did Morrison. I picked up most of that when they were over and I knew I would have more than 10 issues to read of their work.

I know we're in the "MTV world" of ADD and decreased concentration, but DAMN.

Anyway, I miss all of them
Kitty and Logan
Bobby and Warren
Warren and Jean
Jean and Ororo
Ororo and Logan

Consistency is not a bad thing.

I'm not against change, but when you're doing it rapid fire for its own sake and to try and keep bringing in new readers (often at expense of old) it gets tiresome.

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[blehbeh]

The fact that Uncanny hasn't really found a good groove as of late is lamentable, but I'm hopeful that once the powers that be start to see the great work being done in the other titles without sacrificing sales, they'll make a move towards getting Uncanny back on track.

One can only hope that'll happen, anyway.

I hope so. But Uncanny is basically a result of Marvel believing people will buy a comic that resembles a bad network TV show or a summer blockbuster. Because...people eat that stuff up. And it seems there's a lot of readers that actually like Fraction's Uncanny. As long as its selling and leading Marvel to believe that the style is the "future of superhero comics," I doubt it'll change anytime soon. I think we should just be thankful for now that there's still decent alternatives to read in the X-Universe.

[Wind Rider]

I miss all the smaller friendships, group outings, and overall characterizations as well. That's why I liked the X-Men so much. It wasn't just "Oh, we gotta stop the badguys... TEAM UNITE!" There was a great balance and we got to see into their lives. It was there from the beginning with the original team. It showed so well when the 2nd generation came in with Logan, Kurt, Peter, and Ororo and later Kitty. The Outback X-Men, especially, and all the way into the 90's. But anyway, my favorites were Ororo's friendships with Gambit, Jean, and Bishop.

[yanapryde]

Of course the relationship that I miss the most is that of best friends and soul-sisters Illyana Rasputin and Kitty Pryde.

I crave it.
But considering they didn't make the list...

I'd have to go with Storm and Kitty ( I always loved their mother/daughter relationship) and I also enjoyed Wolverine and Kitty as well. An odd pairing but enjoyable to read.

Oh and Carey did great things with the friendship of Cannoball and Iceman.

[justinkos91]

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[Babylon23]

And here I was thinking that I was the only one that remembered all of the great x-men friendships of the past. Logan/Kurt, Storm/Jean, Kitty/Illyana, Storm/Colossus, Sam/Roberto, Sam/Dani. All great friendships neglected for far too long.

But my vote goes to Kitty/Logan.

[tjarvis]

Beast and Iceman.

[Vexen]

I really miss Wolvie and Psylocke's friendship.

And of course Jean and Storm's was just this ol' fashioned sisterhood.

[MuhollandDriver]

Do most people like Uncanny currently?

Almost everyone i talk to...even off the internet....lament it. They still buy it in hopes that it will improve....but they aren't a fan.

What everone is saying i agree with.

Instead of intimate character moments, we get secrets, alpha-male behavior, Emma and Scott going at it, and flimsy plotlines. Lovelorn, hands down, is one of the most cringe-inducing arcs ever. It was on the level of Young X-Men at its worst. The image of Colossus getting a bufugly tattoo going "Ja....Kitty...Ja Ja" is one i am still healing from.

[Azure]

Do most people like Uncanny currently?

Almost everyone i talk to...even off the internet....lament it. They still buy it in hopes that it will improve....but they aren't a fan.

What everone is saying i agree with.

Instead of intimate character moments, we get secrets, alpha-male behavior, Emma and Scott going at it, and flimsy plotlines. Lovelorn, hands down, is one of the most cringe-inducing arcs ever. It was on the level of Young X-Men at its worst. The image of Colossus getting a bufugly tattoo going "Ja....Kitty...Ja Ja" is one i am still healing from.

Yes, everyone else on CBR likes Uncanny. We find your stance on this matter to be bizarre, off-colour... and perhaps the ramblings of a lunatic?

[justinkos91]

Warpath and Siryn

During X-Force, they were so close to each other
They had feelings for each other at different times
and James helped Terry when she needed it, and she was there for him too.
It felt truly genuine, though they're both doing different things with their lives now.

[Jota]

Wolverine and Jubilee. That was a great relationship!

[Dagger]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/KittyAndRogue.jpg
EWWWWWWWWWWW!!!! GTFO WITH THAT IMAGE! SHE HAS MICHAEL JACKSON'S NOSE!!!!

[justinkos91]

EWWWWWWWWWWW!!!! GTFO WITH THAT IMAGE! SHE HAS MICHAEL JACKSON'S NOSE!!!!

Your disapproval is shared

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[tlp0708]

What are those scans from? And who is Kitty hugging?

[justinkos91]

What are those scans from? And who is Kitty hugging?

X-Treme X-men. Kitty's hugging her good pal Rogue