Rachel Week: What should Rachel do after War of Kings?

[Mitteloss]

It's been nearly three years since Rachel, Havok and Polaris have gone into space as X-Men, and subsequently joined the Starjammers, never giving up on their mission to overthrow and kill the mad Emperor Vulcan and restore the rightful Empress Lilandra to the throne.

The ending of the brilliant War of Kings is on the horizon, and with it, comes the question of what happens to the Starjammers?

To the fans, there seems to be three options for Rachel:

- Stay with the Starjammers as they start their own title.
- Join the Guradians of The Galaxy (forget that they have three psychics already!!).
- Return to Earth and the X-Men.

What do you think Rachel should do after War of Kings? Feel free to discuss War of Kings and Rachel's future.

[Daithi]

Stay with the Starjammers provided they can do more than try to kill Vulcan and/or rescue Lilandra.

[Bingo!]

Without the Phoenix overpowering her, writers could utilize Rachel in a team book better.

I'd love to see Yost+Craig or Cornell handle Rachel.

[darknessatnoon]

Why is "Get Lost" not a poll option?

[Bingo!]

The first two options satisfy that.

[MartinRedmond]

Clean her room

[Daithi]

I'd love to see Yost+Craig or Cornell handle Rachel.

Yeah CB+MI13 would be a great fit.

I love X-Force but the main characters all tend to be hand to hand fighters and it gives it a nice gritty feel. Rachel as a long range "sharpshooter" character would rock though.

[AcesX1X]

rachel work better in space.

[Hakael]

Guardians...

Star Lord needs a gal pal. Maybe she can get in on those inside jokes Cosmo teeps to the other ladies.

[subliminal]

I don't think the Starjammers are gonna survive... but... then she should return to Earth and join the old (classic) New Mutants... with Kitty!

[The Black Guardian]

I think any smart mutant would just stay away from Earth.

[Swashbuckler]

I think she should be killed of during War of Kings actually. Polaris and Havok should live and join the guardians, or at least Havok should. Rachel has no purpose any more. She isn't Phoenix. She won't fit with the X-Men. No one really wants her around. Just kill her and be done with it. Her timeline should be wiped out, so she's quite pointless. Just my opinion.

[jarrod]

The Hellfire Club could use some new recruits after Original Sin. I'm sure Claudine's getting lonely.

[Justin K.]

Rachel and Korvus remain in space, live together, get married, and fade away into obscurity until there's another Shi'ar related story.

[Grapeweasel]

Brace herself for the next overblown, unnecessary 'Event'...

[worstblogever]

Get a manicure/pedicure. Hell, whole spa treatment.

[FanboyStranger]

I think she could be a good fit with the Guardians. At the very least, I could see some antagonism between Rachel, Mantis, and Gamorra, and it would be nice for Rocket Racoon to put them all in their place, especially if Rachel took Cosmo's side. If they send her back to Earth, I suspect the character will fall by the wayside, but the DnA are excellent at juggling large casts of characters.

[ClanAskani]

Join X-Force or go help Cable.

I hope at least she's back on Earth for the 3rd part of the Messiah Complex/War saga. There deserves to be some follow-up on Rachel's Askani past and how much she was involved in everything with Cable and Stryfe.

Rachel would fit perfectly in X-Force, especially now that she has her Houndmarks back.

[ClanAskani]

If they send her back to Earth, I suspect the character will fall by the wayside, but the DnA are excellent at juggling large casts of characters.

You mean like Rachel has in War of Kings and Guardians of the Galaxy so far?
They haven't used her at all.

DnA have done a truly awful job handling the large casts of this event. I don't want them anywhere near Rachel in the future.

[FanboyStranger]

You mean like Rachel has in War of Kings and Guardians of the Galaxy so far?
They haven't used her at all.

DnA have done a truly awful job handling the large casts of this event. I don't want them anywhere near Rachel in the future.

She has a pretty significant moment in WoK 3.

[Mitteloss]

You mean like Rachel has in War of Kings and Guardians of the Galaxy so far?
They haven't used her at all.

DnA have done a truly awful job handling the large casts of this event. I don't want them anywhere near Rachel in the future.

Are you serious? I'm doubting. You're being biased. The event still has a way to go, and as far as I'm concerned, APART from Rachel, every other character was pretty much handled well in either GoTG and WoK.

They've done an excellent job, and I say that not just as a Polaris fan but a comic reader as well, you're just living in your own Rachel-centric world and you have to realize things arn't ALWAYS going to be great for one character. Rachel's time to shine will come, I'm sure, but you can't judge writers purely based on three issues in which your favourite character hasn't even got a reason to play a signficant role.

[jarrod]

I am tired of RayPoLex in space. Bring 'em back. Carey All-Star Squad plz.

[Flinkman]

i'd like her to stay with the Starjammers or join the GotG, but i voted Starjammers just cuz i'm not super familiar with most of the GotG.

there's just too many X-Men & too much going on for her to get any real attention if she came back to Earth right now.

[Mitteloss]

I am tired of RayPoLex in space. Bring 'em back. Carey All-Star Squad plz.

I know, if they tried starting a Starjammers title, I'd be thinking- Why didn't they do this two years ago? With the end of War of Kings this summer I honestly think it would be time for the current incarnation of to break up and return to Earth. Probably spend possibly three or four more issues sorting themselves and whoever else is left out (what happens to the Shi'Ar, Phoenix Force...), and then return in 2010.

[jarrod]

I know, if they tried starting a Starjammers title, I'd be thinking- Why didn't they do this two years ago? With the end of War of Kings this summer I honestly think it would be time for the current incarnation of to break up and return to Earth. Probably spend possibly three or four more issues sorting themselves and whoever else is left out (what happens to the Shi'Ar, Phoenix Force...), and then return in 2010.
At this rate I'm thinking Kitty will be back first even. :/

[x_goalkeeper]

Return to earth and the X-Men.. it has been too long in space!

[Karli]

I am tired of RayPoLex in space. Bring 'em back. Carey All-Star Squad plz.

Oh man. I'm mad curious to see what glory Rachel would achieve with Carey!!

[jarrod]

Oh man. I'm mad curious to see what glory Rachel would achieve with Carey!!
Rogue, Alex, Lorna, Rachel, Gambit. Throw in Kurt for good measure. Instant classic.

[Karli]

Well, i have almost implicit trust in Carey as a writer but even i have to admit that i would be hard pressed to give a damn in general about Alex. Why is that character so damn hard to write?!?!

[jarrod]

Well, i have almost implicit trust in Carey as a writer but even i have to admit that i would be hard pressed to give a damn in general about Alex. Why is that character so damn hard to write?!?!
The only times I felt he really shined was as part of the Outback team and early in PAD's X-Factor. Coincidentally, those were the only times his character seemed to not be centered around some younger brother complex.

[Karli]

Agreed. Oh, i had forgotten about early XF. Looks like it's time to go back issue huntin' :D

[Prodigy55]

She's in heat, did you see her birthing hips in WoK 3?

Obviously she needs to have a baby soon.

[Mitteloss]

The only times I felt he really shined was as part of the Outback team and early in PAD's X-Factor. Coincidentally, those were the only times his character seemed to not be centered around some younger brother complex.

Emperor Vulcan and Kingbreaker actually got me to like Alex and made him my favourite male character. The younger brother complex lurks in the background, but Alex has really shined and has just been awesome all the way.

[ClanAskani]

She has a pretty significant moment in WoK 3.

She was in two panels and it's the first dialogue she's had the whole event. And that scene was all about Rocket, not Rachel. In fact, if she can do that, why can't she hide her Houndmarks?

At least if Rachel's wallpaper in Uncanny, she can appear in the other X-books. If she's stuck in space, the other x-writers can't use her.

Rachel's had the most significant developments in her character in years at the end of Kingbreaker (with the Houndmarks returning and possibly the Hound programming), yet DnA have barely used her. If they had plans for her in Guardians or in the cosmic arena, you'd think they'd be anxious do something. But, they're treating her (and the rest of the X-Jammers) as borrowed characters they're only temporarily using for this event. That makes me think she's headed back the X-books.

[Wind Rider]

+1 for Carey writing her.

[jarrod]

Emperor Vulcan and Kingbreaker actually got me to like Alex and made him my favourite male character. The younger brother complex lurks in the background, but Alex has really shined and has just been awesome all the way.
He's been pretty good, but thematically he still feels like a stand in "leader type" imo. It's good, and a step up from what we had before, but not all that unique feeling.

He was great in the Outback... afraid of his powers, a real team player, the most "normal" acting member. He was pretty much CC's viewpoint character, even if unintentionally. His sense of obligation to Maddie was touching too. I think I liked him in PAD's X-Factor best though, where he was the smart, diplomatic leader who thought outside the box. Basically the inverse of "tunnel vision" Cyclops for once, and a pretty non-traditional leader. His relationship with Lorna was amazing then too, way more adult and intimate, less cliche and angsty.

[Aguja]

Grow out her hair and become a woman.

[jarrod]

Grow out her hair and become a woman.
Eh, didn't work out that well for Dazzler.

I'd prefer Ray lezzies it up with Shan when she hits San Fran...

[Mitteloss]

He's been pretty good, but thematically he still feels like a stand in "leader type" imo. It's good, and a step up from what we had before, but not all that unique feeling.

He was great in the Outback... afraid of his powers, a real team player, the most "normal" acting member. He was pretty much CC's viewpoint character, even if unintentionally. His sense of obligation to Maddie was touching too. I think I liked him in PAD's X-Factor best though, where he was the smart, diplomatic leader who thought outside the box. Basically the inverse of "tunnel vision" Cyclops for once, and a pretty non-traditional leader. His relationship with Lorna was amazing then too, way more adult and intimate, less cliche and angsty.

Yeah... what's so great about being afraid of his powers? CC's viewpoint of the character ruined Havok and Polaris, particularly Lorna, and 34 years later, they're still fighting off the very last of the bad image he put on them.

He was well characterized in X-Factor though. But I don't really see how their relationship at the moment is cliche or angsty? We haven't seen much of it either way though.

[Kirayoshi]

1) Return to Earth.

2) Slap Scott upside the head when she learns that he left Kitty to die in the giant space bullet.

3) Head out with Colossus into space to re-up with the Starjammers and rescue Kitty.

[Yearning4Yorick]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2218/wok03022.jpg

It's looking like Rachel is becoming almost useless with out the Phoenix Force.

[jarrod]

Yeah... what's so great about being afraid of his powers? CC's viewpoint of the character ruined Havok and Polaris, particularly Lorna, and 34 years later, they're still fighting off the very last of the bad image he put on them.

He was well characterized in X-Factor though. But I don't really see how their relationship at the moment is cliche or angsty? We haven't seen much of it either way though.
Well, it made him a little more approachable, a little more sympathetic. I prefer Alex being insecure about his powers rather than his big brother's rep. He was pretty much totally separated from Lorna too, though as a Polaris fan I can see why you might not have enjoyed that period so much (CC turned her from helpless damsel to brainwashed villain to buff Claremazon without missing a beat, each one more annoyingly cliche than the last).

Their relationship now is fine (certainly better than it was pre-Yost for like decade), but it's still lacking the spark and tenderness I think they had with PAD. It's missing the romance so to speak, but that's generally the way it is for comic couplings anyway,

[Flinkman]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2218/wok03022.jpg

It's looking like Rachel is becoming almost useless with out the Phoenix Force.
except for the fact that she was able to fool Gladiator for a little while before he figured it out. hardly useless, she's the only one who could've done ANYTHING to him.

[Yearning4Yorick]

except for the fact that she was able to fool Gladiator for a little while before he figured it out. hardly useless, she's the only one who could've done ANYTHING to him.

At the pace this book moved she wasn't holding it for a little while, it was for the span of maybe a minute at best.

[Sgt. Preston]

Leave Rachel in space. Her power set is redundant for the X-Men anyway. Better yet, send her back to her own future. Take the rest of the alternate timeline characters with her.

[Askani's Flame]

Leave Rachel in space. Her power set is redundant for the X-Men anyway. Better yet, send her back to her own future. Take the rest of the alternate timeline characters with her.

Her own future has been resolved, she saw to that. No point in going back.

I'd like to see her remain in space a little bit longer, but come back to the X-fold. I think, ultimately, that's where she, Havok and Lorna belong.

[streator]

has a new starjammers series been announced?

i'd prefer for her, havok & polaris to come back to earth. not really sure where they'd fit in right now, though. rachel could work in x-force, i suppose, if she was powered down some.

[jarrod]

Leave Rachel in space. Her power set is redundant for the X-Men anyway. Better yet, send her back to her own future. Take the rest of the alternate timeline characters with her.
She's the only chronoskimmer in the X-Men, and the best tracker they have. Had she been in SF, X-Force wouldn't have needed Beast's faulty tech to find and meet Cable. Rachel would have saved Boom Boom's life (hear that Josef?!).

Besides, there's still no telepath/telekinetic combos in the X-Men these days.

[Ryan W]

I'd like to see her come back to Earth and join the "non-team" of X-Men: Legacy. Stick her in a book with Rogue, Danger, Gambit, Iceman, Prodigy, and Xavier . . . Now THERE goes a team!

[Sgt. Preston]

She's the only chronoskimmer in the X-Men, and the best tracker they have. Had she been in SF, X-Force wouldn't have needed Beast's faulty tech to find and meet Cable. Rachel would have saved Boom Boom's life (hear that Josef?!).

Besides, there's still no telepath/telekinetic combos in the X-Men these days.

Yeah that's a good point about her tracking abilities. Illyana is capable of time travel though. Guess I'm just tired of the mess made of Rachel over the years. She can consistently be counted on to be the consummate victim. I know, blame it on the writers, but even in Kingbreaker and WoK I still find her whiny and reactionary.

And no, there aren't anymore Telepath/Kinetic hybrids at X-Campus but with Keller, the Cuckoos, Emma, Psylocke, etc. is it really necessary?

RE: Tabitha

Not sure she's dead. Her death was implied off panel, but if the Science Team can go back in time to gather evidence from Mom and Pop Nemesis why can't they tidy up X-Force's mess with Boom Boom? Or for that matter why can't Illyana port back in time to save her?

[Rick Summers]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2218/wok03022.jpg

It's looking like Rachel is becoming almost useless with out the Phoenix Force.


Useless?
Before Rachel messed with his mind, Gladiator sided with Vulcan...after, he's on Lilandra's side. Useless? I don't think so.

[Yearning4Yorick]

Useless?
Before Rachel messed with his mind, Gladiator sided with Vulcan...after, he's on Lilandra's side. Useless? I don't think so.

I'm not sure we read the same issue, nothing in that indicated Rachel influenced his decision at all. She was like a fly on the windshield.

[darknessatnoon]

Useless?
Before Rachel messed with his mind, Gladiator sided with Vulcan...after, he's on Lilandra's side. Useless? I don't think so.

Rachel's FAILURE had nothing to do with his switching sides. He's in love with Lilandra as they've been hinting over and over.

[AcesX1X]

yearning4yorick seems right.

good for her on turning invisible, though. it's nice to see she remembers the lessons emma taught her.

[Rick Summers]

I'm not sure we read the same issue, nothing in that indicated Rachel influenced his decision at all. She was like a fly on the windshield.

It was not clearly stated no but it's a possibility. Is it just sheer coincidence that he switched sides AFTER Ray was in his head? Maybe...maybe not. I'm just saying it could have happened. It's not THAT far of a stretch.

[Yearning4Yorick]

It was not clearly stated no but it's a possibility. Is it just sheer coincidence that he switched sides AFTER Ray was in his head? Maybe...maybe not. I'm just saying it could have happened. It's not THAT far of a stretch.

It actually is because it would mean that the all scenes with Lilandra and Gladiator from Kingbreaker and War of Kings meant nothing. Rachel had nothing to do with it. She failed to hold up a simple illusion, making a broom look like a gun.

[Rick Summers]

It actually is because it would mean that the all scenes with Lilandra and Gladiator from Kingbreaker and War of Kings meant nothing. Rachel had nothing to do with it. She failed to hold up a simple illusion, making a broom look like a gun.


I disagree. Rachel's telepathy could have been what finally pushed him over the edge.
But we may never know so I guess this argument is pointless.

Anyway, i just hope to see her kicking some booty soon. I'm tired of the writer keeping her on the sidelines like this.

[AcesX1X]

It actually is because it would mean that the all scenes with Lilandra and Gladiator from Kingbreaker and War of Kings meant nothing. Rachel had nothing to do with it. She failed to hold up a simple illusion, making a broom look like a gun.

i wonder what regan would say to her if she ever found this out.

[darknessatnoon]

I disagree. Rachel's telepathy could have been what finally pushed him over the edge.


Stop making things up.

[Yearning4Yorick]

I disagree. Rachel's telepathy could have been what finally pushed him over the edge.
But we may never know so I guess this argument is pointless.

Anyway, i just hope to see her kicking some booty soon. I'm tired of the writer keeping her on the sidelines like this.

I don't know how you can come to that conclusion unless you are adding in parts of the story to fulfill some kind of desire.

I think the writers are keeping her on the sidelines because now as a weaker power player she is more of a liability. I know it's not what Rachel fans want to hear but it's supported in the pages.

[Rick Summers]

Ever hear of speculation?
It's what we humans do.
It's a normal part of trying to have a conversation.

[Yearning4Yorick]

Ever hear of speculation?
It's what we humans do.
It's a normal part of trying to have a conversation.

Doesn't speculation have to be at least some what grounded in facts? Rachel states in the picture all she is doing is casting an illusion, nothing else.

[subliminal]

I thought Rachel was awesome... so funny. Gladiator got knocked down by a mop held by an anthropomorphic raccoon... thanks to Rachel. She didn't get knocked out for once too! She's still talking while Gladiator flies past her, so she jumped out of the way or put up a decent TK shield at least. :eek:

[Rick Summers]

Doesn't speculation have to be at least some what grounded in facts? Rachel states in the picture all she is doing is casting an illusion, nothing else.


The 'fact' is she is a high level telepath...it would make sense that she would try to manipulate him this way. After all, Xavier was her teacher.
Not everyone blabs every little thing they do or think. Again, look at Xavier's example.
Her main goal was to bring Gladiator's confidence down so they could finally over power him but don't tell me she couldn't at the same time bend his will towards their side in the process?

[Yearning4Yorick]

The 'fact' is she is a high level telepath...it would make sense that she would try to manipulate him this way. After all, Xavier was her teacher.
Not everyone blabs every little thing they do or think. Again, look at Xavier's example.
Her main goal was to bring Gladiator's confidence down so they could finally over power him but don't tell me she couldn't at the same time bend his will towards their side in the process?

A high level telepath should have been able to hold that illusion, Gladiator was having coherent thoughts during her attack.

As for her not babbing what she was doing, if she had any affect on him, any influence in his decision, don't you think the writers would have put that in there? This seems like a huge turning point in the series and to leave out an important detail like that would be lazy writing and that's not what DnA are known for.

So no, I don't believe for one second she had any influence and there is evidence to back up my assertion.

[Swashbuckler]

LOL, Rachel didn't do anything to Gladiator. They would have said it in the book if she did. She's too busy battling bad guys with house hold items to remember how to properly brainwash someone. I'm suprised no one's brainwashed her in this arc yet.

[Rick Summers]

A high level telepath should have been able to hold that illusion, Gladiator was having coherent thoughts during her attack.

As for her not babbing what she was doing, if she had any affect on him, any influence in his decision, don't you think the writers would have put that in there? This seems like a huge turning point in the series and to leave out an important detail like that would be lazy writing and that's not what DnA are known for.

So no, I don't believe for one second she had any influence and there is evidence to back up my assertion.


I really come here to talk about a character I like...not match wits with anyone. Perhaps there is another thread just for doing that somewhere.
I'm tired of wasting energy trying to constantly bickering with people who don't even like the character this thread is dedicated to.
I just want to discuss Rachel and her future possibilities which I thought this thread was about.

[Swashbuckler]

I really come here to talk about a character I like...not match wits with anyone. Perhaps there is another thread just for doing that somewhere.
I'm tired of wasting energy trying to constantly bickering with people who don't even like the character this thread is dedicated to.
I just want to discuss Rachel and her future possibilities which I thought this thread was about.

You talk more about being attacked then about Rachel, and you make things up that clearly didn't happen and pass it as "specualtion". Then you claim you're being attacked when people try to explain that clearly is NOT what happened.

Possibilities for Rachel, perhaps learning how to battle with a swiffer next!

[Yearning4Yorick]

I really come here to talk about a character I like...not match wits with anyone. Perhaps there is another thread just for doing that somewhere.
I'm tired of wasting energy trying to constantly bickering with people who don't even like the character this thread is dedicated to.
I just want to discuss Rachel and her future possibilities which I thought this thread was about.

Trust me there was never any matching of wits.

I posted the can because it's important to Rachel's future. She is severely underpowered now that the Phoenix Force as left her and the Hound's marks are on her face. She had trouble holding up a simple illusion and was brushed aside by Gladiator.

What does that indicate about her future role? What do the hound marks mean? Is she even powerful enough to matter in this fight?

[ClanAskani]

If Rachel had access to Gladiator's mind, there are a lot better things she could do. It wasn't even that effective. But I don't think the point was to show Rachel's powers. It was to show Rocket beating Gladiator as a joke.

I'm annoyed that Rachel just stood there like a yutz when Gladiator realized it wasn't real. :mad:

[Swashbuckler]

If Rachel had access to Gladiator's mind, there are a lot better things she could do. It wasn't even that effective. But I don't think the point was to show Rachel's powers. It was to show Rocket beating Gladiator as a joke.

I'm annoyed that Rachel just stood there like a yutz when Gladiator realized it wasn't real. :mad:

CORRECT! That was the entire point.

[AcesX1X]

i'm afraid that rachel may not survive this all of a sudden.

[Pixie_Solanas]

i'm afraid that rachel may not survive this all of a sudden.

Good. Shunt that runt aside and let Hepzibah return to her rightful place with the Starjammers.

[subliminal]

Unfortunately, I don't think any of the Starjammers will be power players in this series... if you use Gladiator as a gage. I don't know why Havok was even on the cover, his plasma blast didn't even keep Gladiator down for a minute. Amped up Lorna didn't even get to power up against Gladiator. It's definitely the Gladiator show, starring Gladiator. I wonder if Xenith will be a special guest star?

So where do these 'fail against Gladiator' losers go? Back to Earth? Hang out with Vulcan, who also lost and eye to Gladiator?

I say they join the old New Mutants! Cannonball knows what to do!

[darknessatnoon]

Unfortunately, I don't think any of the Starjammers will be power players in this series... if you use Gladiator as a gage. I don't know why Havok was even on the cover, his plasma blast didn't even keep Gladiator down for a minute. Amped up Lorna didn't even get to power up against Gladiator. It's definitely the Gladiator show, starring Gladiator. I wonder if Xenith will be a special guest star?

So where do these 'fail against Gladiator' losers go? Back to Earth? Hang out with Vulcan, who also lost and eye to Gladiator?

I say they join the old New Mutants! Cannonball knows what to do!

Sad that they can't beat Gladiator collectively when Cannonball was able to take the guy by himself.

[AcesX1X]

cannonball is a top. he knew how to make gladiator feel small.

[ClanAskani]

Rachel was holding her own against Gladiator in Emperor Vulcan.

Unfortunately, she's now developed a condition called Claremontitis where she forgets how to use her powers.

[darknessatnoon]

Rachel was holding her own against Gladiator in Emperor Vulcan.

Unfortunately, she's now developed a condition called Claremontitis where she forgets how to use her powers.

I thought that whenever she used the Phoenix, she lost her memories anyway.

[AcesX1X]

Unfortunately, she's now developed a condition called Claremontitis where she forgets how to use her powers.

i think it's self-confidence more than anything. it can't feel all that great to be abandoned by the greatest cosmic force not once, but twice in your young life.

[subliminal]

You mean when she had the tinyest fragment of the PF and stalemated Gladiator then just brushed him aside? Or used that same illusion trick on Gladiator, picked his mind and then out flew him in Kingbreaker? Or when she just humiliated him with a mop? Nah... Claremontitis is funny... but she's just having confidence issues.

[AcesX1X]

rachel needs to pull her $h^t together.

[Mitteloss]

Well, it made him a little more approachable, a little more sympathetic. I prefer Alex being insecure about his powers rather than his big brother's rep. He was pretty much totally separated from Lorna too, though as a Polaris fan I can see why you might not have enjoyed that period so much (CC turned her from helpless damsel to brainwashed villain to buff Claremazon without missing a beat, each one more annoyingly cliche than the last).

Their relationship now is fine (certainly better than it was pre-Yost for like decade), but it's still lacking the spark and tenderness I think they had with PAD. It's missing the romance so to speak, but that's generally the way it is for comic couplings anyway,

True, true. Completely agree. Especially about how the romance in their relationship at the moment is lacking, Yost didn't really delve into their relationship (he rarely does with characters). I think DnA however have the potential to add a bit of spark and tenderness as you say, simply because they're brilliant writers.