New Mutants #1 Spoilers and Review!!

[Hi-Fi]

Wow, this was a lot of fun.

Plot summary: Magik comes back from the future to the San Fran X-Men HQ, where she says Dani and Shan are in great danger. She convinces Sam and Berto of the gravity of the situation and Sam asks Cyclops to lead a team in search of Dani and Shan. Both were sent by Scott to a town where a new mutant apparently came to be.

Permission granted, the team hits the road, Amara included (not before we see her talking to Empath in his cell). Then we get a bar fight with Sam and Berto and we have Illyana acting like we all hope she acts. She taunts Amara in such an evil way, it's amazing!

And then we get the creepiest last page I've seen in a long time. Really great ending to this first issue.

It was not stellar, but it was a very solid start for this book. The art is oddly inferior to Diogenes art in Worlds Apart, but overall it's very pleasant.

The interactions were very well-written, and nostalgia will surely take over the fans of the old book. Just seeing Sam and Berto acting as best friends felt so right!

This issue also focused a lot on Illyana, and she's a very dangerous element in the team. We can tell that she still cares for her friends, but she also acts like a very mean girl out of the blue, from time to time.

Recommended!

[psycwave]

OMG Empath!!!!!! You must PM scans of Empath!!!!

[Leirus]

Wow, this was a lot of fun.

Plot summary: Magik comes back from the future to the San Fran X-Men HQ, where she says Dani and Shan are in great danger. She convinces Sam and Berto of the gravity of the situation and Sam asks Cyclops to lead a team in search of Dani and Shan. Both were sent by Scott to a town where a new mutant apparently came to be.

Permission granted, the team hits the road, Amara included (not before we see her talking to Empath in his cell). Then we get a bar fight with Sam and Berto and we have Illyana acting like we all hope she acts. She taunts Amara in such an evil way, it's amazing!

And then we get the creepiest last page I've seen in a long time. Really great ending to this first issue.

It was not stellar, but it was a very solid start for this book. The art is oddly inferior to Diogenes art in Worlds Apart, but overall it's very pleasant.

The interactions were very well-written, and nostalgia will surely take over the fans of the old book. Just seeing Sam and Berto acting as best friends felt so right!

This issue also focused a lot on Illyana, and she's a very dangerous element in the team. We can tell that she still cares for her friends, but she also acts like a very mean girl out of the blue, from time to time.

Recommended!


I love u Hi Fi !!! Thanks !! I am going to my shop to order this now... it should be here next week, more or less :smile:

[Pixie_Solanas]

I've been mulling over buying this, but if Hi-Fierce recommends it, im aboard.

[Hi-Fi]

I've been mulling over buying this, but if Hi-Fierce recommends it, im aboard.
I do love the characters, so that may have something to do with me enjoying this first issue.


Also...

*makes love to your avatar*

[Dondo523]

So heres the deal. The issue, I think, was a really good start to an amazing series. But I think a couple things should have gone differently in my opinion based off of character personality.

When it started off with the fight between the New mutants and the "younger mutants" I didn't think it was right to have Victor start it all up, Pixie was just seen in the background powering up her dagger, and never seen after that. Seeing Pixie coming out of X-infurnus, I think that Pixie should have started that fight and Vic and Santo trying to stop her and Sam and Bobbie giving the lecture to her.

Second, I think Cyclops should have been a little more informed and worried about the situation with Dani and Shan, he was very nonchalant/ kinda ok whatever take your team and don't let anyone die. But I think isn't a BIG deal, but yaaaa

Thoughts on why Shan is left comatose? I think she went into the little girls mind at the beggining of the issue, hence "I know this is a private place and hope you don't mind" and is stuck there because of a connection between the girl and legion.

GREAT issue overall and I'd like to see more of the "younger mutants" have more cameos, cant wait for more complicatedness love/hate relationship with Empath and Magma, AND SEEING WHAT HAPPENS NEXT...CANT WAIT

[AcesX1X]

maybe empath finally turns amara evil. OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND!?!?!

i would get the new mutants book if this was an ongoing plot and not just some throwaway scene.

[Bingo!]

I haven't read this, yet.

I just want to post on the first page of this thread.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I do love the characters, so that may have something to do with me enjoying this first issue.


Also...

*makes love to your avatar*

So do I. Those boots are beyond fierce. They require their own miniseries.

[Hi-Fi]

maybe empath finally turns amara evil. OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND!?!?!

i would get the new mutants book if this was an ongoing plot and not just some throwaway scene.
I'm pretty sure it will be an ongoing plot.

[Push You Down]

I reserve judgement until I read it myself.. but this sounds... not that good.

[AN0LE]

Ughh... just returned from my LCS and they received every shipment today EXCEPT this! What kind of f*ckery is THAT?! :mad:

[The Black Guardian]

Now this is how to start a team book!

Just small, nitpicky things could have been better, like Dondo said. Otherwise, this was great! Go go Zeb!

[pharoahe22]

I originally had no plans to get this book, but I read it in the shop and it was good so I picked this up...I think I'm on board for issue 2.

[worstblogever]

This... was great. It has nods to old New Mutants continuity, great scenes with Sam and Cyke, an Ilyana who is clearly NOT fully redeemed yet, the original New Mutants standing up to the latest generation of students, a jaw-dropping ending, just...

If I had any doubts this series would be good, this first issue put them to bed.

9/10.

[The Lucky One]

I was similarly impressed. I have no idea how it will play to newer fans who don't know and/or care about the Muties (although I do want to know, so if any of them read this, please chime in!), but as a longtime fan, I liked it quite a bit. Promising start, Zeb! :smile:

What really made it for me were two things, the characters and the little touches. I'm someone who usually keys in on characterization more so than plot, at least on the first read, and all of the characters in this issue felt like themselves. New Mutants and guest stars alike, no one's voice felt "off." I know there's been a lot of debate in the preview thread about Sam's words/actions to Anole, but without necessarily defending them, I think they're perfectly realistic. As a former swim coach, if I saw one of the kids I used to coach taking a swing at one of my best friends, I think I'd probably lash out at them verbally too. I'm not saying that would be the "right" or mature course of action, just that it's what most people would do in that situation. Illyana felt creepy, Sam felt protective, 'Berto felt friendly but with that underlying hint of arrogance... again, no quibbles at all about the characterization.

And then there's the little touches. Continuity, for instance... it feels odd to praise a writer for something that probably should be a given, but these days you can't take it for granted. This "gathering the team" issue could have easily existed in a vacuum, but instead we get nods to Magik's bad blood with the New X-Men, Empath's incarceration and blinding by Pixie, Magma's past relationship with him. The Madison Jeffries reference cinched it for me, because how easy would it have been to just give them new costumes without explanation? It happens all the time, but putting in the throwaway reference to Jeffries and having the characters specifically design costumes patterned after their original uniforms feels right, you know? Am I the only one who felt that way?

I did notice that the old "school photo" shown of the original team includes Warlock and Doug but not Rahne. Makes sense, since she's not appearing in the series, but it was definitely noticeable. Guess she was the one taking the picture. :biggrin:

-D

[Anna]

I'm just waiting so my LCS has time to unpack the issues...

[Alphaxman]

I thought the issue was strong and it was great to see these character interact with each other like the good old’ days. I ‘Yana said to Amara was super creepy and Neves handle that sense with great emotion. It’s nice to see women faces without that demonic Colgate smiles or POMD (Porn Open Month Disease).

The uniforms are nice but they’re basically old X-Factor uniforms without the indivisible colors.
I love that Sam was still his take charge self but respectful to authority figures like Scott.

Berto was nice and fun but I really hope he uses all of his powers.

It was nice that Wells remembered Amara connation with Empath even though I don’t like it. I hated her reason for exiting the team back in the day. I was never a fan of Empath.

I can’t wait until next issue to see how Legion’s return plays out.

I will give it 8 out of 10

[lobsterj]

Is this a regular page count?

[yanapryde]

This was an excellent starter issue for a new series if you ask me.

I must agrew with The Lucky One, in his assesment that the "little touches" make all the difference. Characterization is key; especially when taking on a group/book that is so deeply loved and his this level of nostalgia attached to it. I can only imagine how challenging it might have been to make this story fresh while still combating the pressure of fans expectations for these characters. But I must say Zeb did an excellent job.

Sam's demeanor with Scott was excellent. Spot on. He was composed and mature in his approach and I even enjoyed that drop of insecurity he portrayed when his request was approved. I'm very much looking forward to future interactions between the two. One of my favorite aspects of Sam's personality was his southern hospitality and respect for his elders and I'm glad to see this shown through in the first issue.

I could gush for days about Illyana in this story so I'll keep it brief. Her interaction with Beast and Amara sent me over the moon. Very well written. Her handling of Amara's behavior regarding a certain prisoner was deeply creepy and invasive. And out of the blue too given the circumstances! Perfection!

For now, the last bit I'll touch on is the Madison Jeffries issue. Wonderful. Its wonderful that Zeb introduced a believable plot device to provide the team with uniforms. And I enjoyed that there were differences in each of them. Nice touch.

[worstblogever]

I love the Madison Jeffries nod so much, I have decided to nickname him "M-Jeff" for now on. It's a hip name, worthy of a hip cat.

Seriously, are the new uniforms for the New Mutants better redesigns than what the Astonishing cast got?

[NewMutant]

This was a surprising great first issue. The story was fun and the art was good (although different from Worlds Apart).

I enjoyed the exchange between the Young X-Men and New Mutants. I thought it was necessary to show the growth of New Mutants. And I didn't think it was strange for Anole to say something over Pixie. Anole has always been more outspoken and leader like. Pixie is probably more nervous around Magik too, and you can't blame her. We saw Cannonball in a great leadership role. And the new uniform explaination was nice as well. Felt like old times and reminded me why I liked them all in the first place. Hope sales support this series. Very promising. Interested in seeing where this will go. It will be nice to have a fun X-title again.

With the team only consisting of Sunspot, Cannonball, Magik, and Magma; they could have titled this issue Berto and the Blondes. lol.

[sunofdarkchild]

Nice beginning to the series, but it has two issues(other than the inexplicable ethnicity changes), neither of which are serious. The first, and it is tiny, is that even though it is well written, little seems to happen. Seems is the word because a lot does happen, but one would have to be a fan of the original New Mutants to recognize and appreciate it. That is the other, slightly larger, problem. If I had never read the New Mutants before I would have been lost, but because I had done the reading, man did the nostalgia get me. So many nods to the old series. To me the best part was that this issue, and probably the series, is similar to the original Claremont run of the New Mutants in that it places character before story and especially before action. It feels like Marvel is finally thanking its old fans for their loyalty, support, and especially patience.

9 out of 10

[yanapryde]

I was probably one of the few who didn't read the Worlds Apart storyline (funds were low) but I plan to collect the TPB once it hits the shelves but...I must admit there were patches in the book, visually, that seemed 'less cared for'

The close ups of the characters were often (Illyana in particular with her menacing grins) very well rendered but then some of the more broad images including a lot of background imagery seemed rushed and less detailed. I don't have much to compare to since I'm new to this artist but...I'm just saying. Its odd to read a book and find myself saying "OH yes!" and "Oh...uh..okay?" all on one page.
Regardless I'm super jazzed for this!

[podmark]

I liked it.

I'm not a huge New Mutants fan, haven't read much at all of their first series, but I like them - and Cannonball is a fav of mine. First issue was pretty good for putting together the team, and I LOVE the continuity nods. Honestly to me continuity nods like this can change an ok book to good book. Liking the new costumes, but the regular clothes for alot of the characters looked kind of ugh. The whole New X-Men/New Mutants scene makes sense but honestly no one comes off well there. I like that Illyana is still borderline evil - makes things interesting and keeps with the whole continuity thing.

Good start, definitely on board for issue 2.
8/10

[Anna]

My one minor quibble is that Indra's markings were missing.

[psycwave]

Where Are The Scans Of Empath!??!?!?!?

[jarrod]

Sounds good! I'm excited, even if the previews put me off a little.

[CyberHubbs]

I'm not sure how I feel about the artwork. It's certainly passable, and Neves can turn his pages in on time, so that's a big plus for consistent schedules. But it doesn't blow me away at all.

Then again, if this means I might get to see Doug and Warlock back together again, as well as Legion as some sort of hero...Yeah, count me in.

[RolandJP]

All that was missing was a Magnum PI mention. Two great X-book debuts.

[Til]

I never read the New Mutants run, but I am a fan of the characters from their later appearances in other books, and I loved this issue. Nowadays I find myself desperate for good character work, so I very much appreciated this. Between the Empath subplot (may he rise up and slay Pixie once and for all) and the Legion thing, I'll definitely be back for the next issue.

[PsylockeSpears]

I wanted to add a new x-book,think this book has come at the right time for me.was a big fan of the original book

[Alex Smith]

Well I don't know any of the backstory here (or of the X-universe at all, really), but I found I really enjoyed this issue. Magik and Sunspot had to be my favorite characters, though.

[RolandJP]

Roberto is lookin more like Cristiano Roberto but hey they are both Brazilian

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n50/pimpin_krystal/cristiano_ronaldo_pepe_07.jpg

[Yearning4Yorick]

I had never read the original New Mutants run, but that didn't stop me from feeling the nostalgia in this series. Sam and Roberto side by side in one of the best bromances since Iceman and Beast, Illyana and Amara "bounding", it was all very cool to see. I loved the splash page too of the team, even if it wasn't the full team, and Berto's line was great right there.

The art was good, not great. The close up shots where fine but some of the faces were a little off looking, the example I can site is on that great splash page, Sam's face is a little weird looking. No big deal, I know the artist can really deliver.

All in all this was a good introduction, re-introduction to the team. Characterization felt great, even with the guest-staring from Cyclops and Beast and the New X-Men, the characterization was still spot on. Lot of love for Zeb Wells following his Spider-Man issues and this just reinforces it. Good times. I'm on for at least two arcs.

[Dagger]

I love the Madison Jeffries nod so much, I have decided to nickname him "M-Jeff" for now on. It's a hip name, worthy of a hip cat.

Seriously, are the new uniforms for the New Mutants better redesigns than what the Astonishing cast got?
Way. The X place in odd places is not doing for me for any of the members. Except for maybe Colossus, Nightcrawler, Scott and Angel. Storm, Emma's and Dazz's costumes are so fug, it's not even funny.

I looooooooooooooove this series! Illyana was creepy! Sam was Sam! I love Berto bitching about being a teacher, or mentor lol! It was superb! It could have had more Shan, and some Dani, but I'll live!

[dacosta]

I can't wait to get my copy of New Mutants on Friday and I hope its given a chance and we all do our best to support it as I have been waiting ages for a decent x men comic starring Sunspot and Moonstar that wasn’t Young X- men.. I have even begun to like Ilyana. The following are a couple of things I would like to see in New Mutants.

1. Sunspot using all his powers. The guy absorbs solar energy as well as heat and light and it grants him super strength, flight, and solar blasts etc. Writers tend to forget this sometimes and it gets me mad. For a guy whose incredible power levels were commented on by the Mimic, Shinobi Shaw, Cable and Professor X in the original X-Force, he is totally wasted as just the strongman of the team. Also give him a degree of invulnerability.

2. Give Moonstar her Valkyrie powers back. The Asgardians have been back on earth for a while and whilst the rest of his people are breaking bread with Doctor Doom in Latveria, have Thor turn up in New Mutants and thank Danni for all the times she saved Asgard by using his Odin force to make Moonstar a Valkyrie once more. If this doesn’t happen then at least the writers should make her as much of a badass fighter and strategist as Cyclops was when he lost his powers a while ago. With her Shield and Valkyrie training this should be easy. It will also give the team another fierce warrior who can keep up with Magik and maybe calm her down when she looses it.

3. Show Sam using his powers in different ways. Just blasting gets boring quickly. I loved it when he used his powers in an imaginative way to temporarily knock Gladiator on his ass or when he uses it to shield his friends.

4. Have members of the New X- men making rotating appearances in the book and helping out.

5. If the current artist leaves replace him with Ian Churchill. The guy is the best


6. Have a cool Rogues gallery. A superhero is only as good as his or her super villain. Professor X and Magneto, Cable and Stryfe, Wolverine and Sabretooth, Archangel and Apocalypse etc

7. Finally I will like to see someone breathe new life into all these characters. Refresh and develop them a little. Just like Storm was in her mini Storm-Worlds Apart and Warpath and Archangel have been in X-Force

[Alphaxman]

I can't wait to get my copy of New Mutants on Friday and I hope its given a chance and we all do our best to support it as I have been waiting ages for a decent x men comic starring Sunspot and Moonstar that wasn’t Young X- men.. I have even begun to like Ilyana. The following are a couple of things I would like to see in New Mutants.

1. Sunspot using all his powers. The guy absorbs solar energy as well as heat and light and it grants him super strength, flight, and solar blasts etc. Writers tend to forget this sometimes and it gets me mad. For a guy whose incredible power levels were commented on by the Mimic, Shinobi Shaw, Cable and Professor X in the original X-Force, he is totally wasted as just the strongman of the team. Also give him a degree of invulnerability.

I will agree to all of that but invulnerability. I liked it that he was super strong but not invulnerable. He should defintly fly.

2. Give Moonstar her Valkyrie powers back. The Asgardians have been back on earth for a while and whilst the rest of his people are breaking bread with Doctor Doom in Latveria, have Thor turn up in New Mutants and thank Dani for all the times she saved Asgard by using his Odin force to make Moonstar a Valkyrie once more. If this doesn’t happen then at least the writers should make her as much of a badass fighter and strategist as Cyclops was when he lost his powers a while ago. With her Shield and Valkyrie training this should be easy. It will also give the team another fierce warrior who can keep up with Magik and maybe calm her down when she looses it.

I would love to see her with her Valkyrie powers back but there wasn't much to them than see a Death aura around people. But I agree about the fighting skills.

3. Show Sam using his powers in different ways. Just blasting gets boring quickly. I loved it when he used his powers in an imaginative way to temporarily knock Gladiator on his ass or when he uses it to shield his friends.


I totally agree. Nicieza was the best with expanding Sam's powers. I remember that he could silents his blasting somehow and could expand his field around others like in the New Mutant/New Warriors crossover with the X-Men annuals.

4. Have members of the New X- men making rotating appearances in the book and helping out.

I wouldn't mind seeing that. But hopfully they would learn to get along.

5. If the current artist leaves replace him with Ian Churchill. The guy is the best

I wouldn't go that far. Churchill is just ok. I perfer storytelling ablities over posing and super-Muscles. Plus he never stays on a book for long.

[david r]

My comics shop ordered 40 copies. By the time I got there at 4:00, they were completely sold out of #1. I was flabbergasted. 40 copies sold out ALREADY!! Damn, now I have to wait another week. :frown:

I DID snatch up that NEW MUTANTS Spotlight comic, with interviews and artwork. It was the last one they had left. :smile:

[Dagger]

1. Sunspot using all his powers. The guy absorbs solar energy as well as heat and light and it grants him super strength, flight, and solar blasts etc. Writers tend to forget this sometimes and it gets me mad. For a guy whose incredible power levels were commented on by the Mimic, Shinobi Shaw, Cable and Professor X in the original X-Force, he is totally wasted as just the strongman of the team. Also give him a degree of invulnerability.
I agree with all but the invulnerability.
2. Give Moonstar her Valkyrie powers back. The Asgardians have been back on earth for a while and whilst the rest of his people are breaking bread with Doctor Doom in Latveria, have Thor turn up in New Mutants and thank Danni for all the times she saved Asgard by using his Odin force to make Moonstar a Valkyrie once more. If this doesn’t happen then at least the writers should make her as much of a badass fighter and strategist as Cyclops was when he lost his powers a while ago. With her Shield and Valkyrie training this should be easy. It will also give the team another fierce warrior who can keep up with Magik and maybe calm her down when she looses it.
I'd prefer for her to be more Storm powerless than Cyke. But that's me.
3. Show Sam using his powers in different ways. Just blasting gets boring quickly. I loved it when he used his powers in an imaginative way to temporarily knock Gladiator on his ass or when he uses it to shield his friends.
Agreed.
4. Have members of the New X- men making rotating appearances in the book and helping out.
Not agreed. I'm over the New X-Men now that the originals are back.
5. If the current artist leaves replace him with Ian Churchill. The guy is the best
Meh. I'd rather the guy who did the art in X-Infernus than Churchill. Maybe they can be rotating artists.

6. Have a cool Rogues gallery. A superhero is only as good as his or her super villain. Professor X and Magneto, Cable and Stryfe, Wolverine and Sabretooth, Archangel and Apocalypse etc
They had a cool rogue's gallery. They had The Hellions, the Demon Bear, Belasco, S'ym, Magus, the Hellfire Club, bigots, the Beyonder, PHAT KARMApossessed by the Shadow king, the MLF, and so on.
7. Finally I will like to see someone breathe new life into all these characters. Refresh and develop them a little. Just like Storm was in her mini Storm-Worlds Apart and Warpath and Archangel have been in X-Force
After how well this first issue went, I have faith that Zeb will be that person.

[Dagger]

My comics shop ordered 40 copies. By the time I got there at 4:00, they were completely sold out of #1. I was flabbergasted. 40 copies sold out ALREADY!! Damn, now I have to wait another week. :frown:

I DID snatch up that NEW MUTANTS Spotlight comic, with interviews and artwork. It was the last one they had left. :smile:
SPOIL IT FOR ME!!! What kind of interviews? Please tell me more than what we had seen on the internet!

[The Lucky One]

Whoa, I just noticed Mercury is almost flashing some boob! Gotta watch those straps, Cess, this is an all ages book.


A few more of the minor, understated touches I liked:

*Magma subtly heating up Empath's dinner.
*Empath's haste to clarify "I wasn't apologizing." Heh. Vintage Manuel.
*Sam bringing two extra uniforms for Shan and Dani. Most other books would just forget about it, and then when they showed up in uniforms halfway through the story, there'd be a footnote in the letter column about how Sam had them stashed in the jeep. Nope, here they show them. Again, subtle but definitely appreciated.
*Bobby's doofy thumbs up and surfer hand gesture to the bartender. Total bro. :wink:
*Sam calling Magma "'Mara." In the past she asked him not to call her that because in her culture it's a familiar nickname of the sort lovers might use. Not sure if that was an intentional nod to Sam's old crush on her or not, but if so, most impressive, Zeb.
*The title of Part 1. "We Were Many, Once." That's awesome. :smile:

Only thing I could find fault with was 'Yana complimenting Beast's new look. But then again, she's clearly still a bit bonkers, so we can't blame the poor girl.

Okay, so- theories on the Legion situation? Here's my thoughts: Legion was thought dead before this arc, but the last time we saw his three main personalities (Jemail, Jack Wayne, Cyndi), they were ghosts who were preparing to "go toward the light" or something. Sooo... what if that did in fact happen, and when Legion recovered, he discovered the only major personality left in his head was his original self, David Haller? For most people that would be a blessing, but for someone who'd been multiple people since he was a kid, well... what if David was lonely? What if he'd gotten so used to being Legion, to having multiple personalities in his head, that he couldn't take the solitude of only being David? So either intentionally or subconsciously, he started using his telepathic powers to steal other people's personalities and trap them in his head? That would explain the beginning -- Karma is telepathically visiting Marci, who's stuck in Legion's head, but he catches Shan and traps her as well -- and why Shan seems comatose later. It would also explain why Marci's parents are keeping Legion locked in a box, since that's the only way they can make even fleeting contact with their daughter's stolen personality. The only question is why Legion hasn't escaped from the box, but maybe Shan is overpowering David's personality to keep him docile.

Just a working theory... we'll see. Other guesses?

-D

[The Lucky One]

They had a cool rogue's gallery. They had The Hellions, the Demon Bear, Belasco, S'ym, Magus, the Hellfire Club, bigots, the Beyonder, PHAT KARMApossessed by the Shadow king, the MLF, and so on.

The only challenge is that X-Force has used, like, half the New Mutants' old rogues gallery lately. The Demon Bear, Selene, a sort-of version of the Magus; combine that with Donald Pierce being used in YXM recently, Emma being reformed, and Belasco and S'ym having been used not long ago, and they're a bit lean on villains. Thank God Legion was left, but I'll be interested to see who Zeb has them facing after this opening arc.

-D

[Peter F.]

Thank God Legion was left, but I'll be interested to see who Zeb has them facing after this opening arc.

-D

Who else but X-Force?

[Yearning4Yorick]

The only challenge is that X-Force has used, like, half the New Mutants' old rogues gallery lately. The Demon Bear, Selene, a sort-of version of the Magus; combine that with Donald Pierce being used in YXM recently, Emma being reformed, and Belasco and S'ym having been used not long ago, and they're a bit lean on villains. Thank God Legion was left, but I'll be interested to see who Zeb has them facing after this opening arc.

-D

I can see the second arc maybe focusing on Valkyrie powers for Dani. Maybe some kind of quest they go on with her or maybe the Cypher stuff, who knows.

[yanapryde]

In the SPOTLIGHT issue, we get some nice character breakdown stuff from Mr.Wells.

Some tidbits:

Regarding Dani~ "I think she'll bring the team conflict and another point of view to butt up against Sam's. Sam is a pretty amiable character, you know? I don't think it comes naturally to him to bark orders. I think they'll have a very tumultuous relationship, even though they love each other at the end of the day."

Regarding Illyana~ "It's fun to have a character on a team who has an alien point of view (having been raised by demons) When she shows up she's just blown in from a fight. With Illyana, that coudl have happened in the past - or in the future - because of her stepping discs. So for the first year or so we don't know how old Illyana is, what her context is. As far as new readers go, I want it to be very simple: This is a girl that was raised by demons. She's got her own agenda and her own view on things."

Regarding Karma~ "(in response to a question about Kitty Pryde) Yeah. She'll be grieving for the first half of the first year, and then I'd like to deal with her finding love."

[yanapryde]

The only challenge is that X-Force has used, like, half the New Mutants' old rogues gallery lately. The Demon Bear, Selene, a sort-of version of the Magus; combine that with Donald Pierce being used in YXM recently, Emma being reformed, and Belasco and S'ym having been used not long ago, and they're a bit lean on villains. Thank God Legion was left, but I'll be interested to see who Zeb has them facing after this opening arc.

-D

It may be of interest to hear that Zeb stated he wants the NM's to be faced with X-Men level threats and he'd like to keep everything more on the new side, but he did express interest in somehow getting the Hellions back, or some version of them. He also said there would be some fun stuff to do with Emma Frost because they have a bunch of history together.:smile:

[Dagger]

Whoa, I just noticed Mercury is almost flashing some boob! Gotta watch those straps, Cess, this is an all ages book.


A few more of the minor, understated touches I liked:

*Magma subtly heating up Empath's dinner.
*Empath's haste to clarify "I wasn't apologizing." Heh. Vintage Manuel.
*Sam bringing two extra uniforms for Shan and Dani. Most other books would just forget about it, and then when they showed up in uniforms halfway through the story, there'd be a footnote in the letter column about how Sam had them stashed in the jeep. Nope, here they show them. Again, subtle but definitely appreciated.
*Bobby's doofy thumbs up and surfer hand gesture to the bartender. Total bro. :wink:
*Sam calling Magma "'Mara." In the past she asked him not to call her that because in her culture it's a familiar nickname of the sort lovers might use. Not sure if that was an intentional nod to Sam's old crush on her or not, but if so, most impressive, Zeb.
*The title of Part 1. "We Were Many, Once." That's awesome. :smile:

Only thing I could find fault with was 'Yana complimenting Beast's new look. But then again, she's clearly still a bit bonkers, so we can't blame the poor girl.

Okay, so- theories on the Legion situation? Here's my thoughts: Legion was thought dead before this arc, but the last time we saw his three main personalities (Jemail, Jack Wayne, Cyndi), they were ghosts who were preparing to "go toward the light" or something. Sooo... what if that did in fact happen, and when Legion recovered, he discovered the only major personality left in his head was his original self, David Haller? For most people that would be a blessing, but for someone who'd been multiple people since he was a kid, well... what if David was lonely? What if he'd gotten so used to being Legion, to having multiple personalities in his head, that he couldn't take the solitude of only being David? So either intentionally or subconsciously, he started using his telepathic powers to steal other people's personalities and trap them in his head? That would explain the beginning -- Karma is telepathically visiting Marci, who's stuck in Legion's head, but he catches Shan and traps her as well -- and why Shan seems comatose later. It would also explain why Marci's parents are keeping Legion locked in a box, since that's the only way they can make even fleeting contact with their daughter's stolen personality. The only question is why Legion hasn't escaped from the box, but maybe Shan is overpowering David's personality to keep him docile.

Just a working theory... we'll see. Other guesses?

-D
Wow. I never thought of it like that. Maybe that is what Legion is doing. Huh.
The only challenge is that X-Force has used, like, half the New Mutants' old rogues gallery lately. The Demon Bear, Selene, a sort-of version of the Magus; combine that with Donald Pierce being used in YXM recently, Emma being reformed, and Belasco and S'ym having been used not long ago, and they're a bit lean on villains. Thank God Legion was left, but I'll be interested to see who Zeb has them facing after this opening arc.

-D
I know, it's a shame, but it doesn't mean Zeb can't reuse them sooner or later. It's not a crime, especially with the way there were multiple Hellfire Club plots running throughout the X-books recently.

[Dagger]

Regarding Karma~ "(in response to a question about Kitty Pryde) Yeah. She'll be grieving for the first half of the first year, and then I'd like to deal with her finding love."
I'd rather see them go out to find Kitty. She was a close friend to most of the members of the New Mutants at one point or another. Plus, if anyone can save her from the magic bullet, Yana can.

[The Lucky One]

My comics shop ordered 40 copies. By the time I got there at 4:00, they were completely sold out of #1. I was flabbergasted. 40 copies sold out ALREADY!! Damn, now I have to wait another week. :frown:

Aw, that sucks, man. Blame the dual (well, quad if you count the rare variants) covers. I don't think I've ever once in my life bought two copies of an issue just to get multiple covers, but it was damn close this time. (Ended up choosing the Alex Ross one.)

-D

[Yearning4Yorick]

I didn't know that about Illyana, that her stepping disks take her to past and future, I get it now, I was wondering why people weren't complaining about time travel.

[CmX]

I wish I had the luxury of reading this and picking up on any references in the issue. I don't have any exposure to Illyana, other than the New XMen search for Magik arc, is she normally behave this unstable?

[yanapryde]

I wish I had the luxury of reading this and picking up on any references in the issue. I don't have any exposure to Illyana, other than the New XMen search for Magik arc, is she normally behave this unstable?

I'm not entirely sure your inquiry is sincere or sarcasm but...I'll bite.
Illyana is prone to mood swings. Having gone through puberty in another dimension and being raised by demons has had an unfortunate side effect on her ability to socialize by what most might called civilized standards.

[The Lucky One]

I wish I had the luxury of reading this and picking up on any references in the issue. I don't have any exposure to Illyana, other than the New XMen search for Magik arc, is she normally behave this unstable?

In the old days, she tended to be more hard-edged and aggressive rather than outright mean or loopy. She wasn't prone to suddenly losing focus the way she did over Marci, for instance.

However, while Marvel has clarified that this is "really" Illyana, my understanding is that she was recreated from Belasco's memories of her (meaning he might have thrown in a little extra evil, just 'cuz), and the beginning of X-Infernus indicated she'd been through some real hardships in Limbo recently. Add that to the fact that she's apparently been traveling in the future and watched her friends die, and that's probably why she's a bit... "off" in this issue. :smile:

-D

[CmX]

I'm not entirely sure your inquiry is sincere or sarcasm but...I'll bite.
Illyana is prone to mood swings. Having gone through puberty in another dimension and being raised by demons has had an unfortunate side effect on her ability to socialize by what most might called civilized standards.

Haha no I was being sincere. I honestly don't have very much exposure to the New Mutants other than Sam.

And I've always liked Ilyana if for only a cool visual since I had never read her before and I'm glad I get the chance to see her back and learn about her more.

[KrullWall]

In the old days, she tended to be more hard-edged and aggressive rather than outright mean or loopy. She wasn't prone to suddenly losing focus the way she did over Marci, for instance.

However, while Marvel has clarified that this is "really" Illyana, my understanding is that she was recreated from Belasco's memories of her (meaning he might have thrown in a little extra evil, just 'cuz), and the beginning of X-Infernus indicated she'd been through some real hardships in Limbo recently. Add that to the fact that she's apparently been traveling in the future and watched her friends die, and that's probably why she's a bit... "off" in this issue. :smile:

-D

Yea I thought she was strange at first, but i kinda is understandable. Plus it's kinda nice to have someone who is a blunt sorta bitch. If you lived in almost hell you would be harsh too.

[david r]

I think Marvel's got a hit on it's hands!!!

[SugarMan]

I didn't know that about Illyana, that her stepping disks take her to past and future, I get it now, I was wondering why people weren't complaining about time travel.

Have to wait until the morning to get my copy, but Illyana usually travels through time via Limbo. In the old New Mutants book, she sometimes had to teleport more than once to get to the right place in time. Maybe she has better control now. She has always been one of my favorite X-Men, and having her back is great. Having the New Mutants back as a team is also great. I would like to see Rahne's reaction to Illyana now. Rahne has always had an aversion to her because of her demonic side. But Rahne herself has been kind of dark lately. Also, Illyana was best friends with Kitty. Kitty returned to the X-Men when little "Illyana" died and read stories on her deathbed. It would be interesting to learn how Magik reacts to all of this, and I hope its not all forgotten.

[MuhollandDriver]

Well, Well, Well.....

My adrenaline is pumping. Great first issue!

i must say that the man nailed each character.

Illyana was just pitch perfect: enigmatic, whimsical, biting, unpredictable, lively, loyal, intense! Wells hit why she is such a great anti-hero. Even when she says something hurtful or questionable, she does it with such a radiance and gleam in her eye that she pulls You in regardless.

Her scene with Beast was just flat-out interesting. So much can be read between those two.

Her scene with Magma on the jet pretty much stole the entire issue. Hands down. Only Illyana can say something that is cruel and charitable at the same time. Amara's look afterwards spoke volumes.

Speaking of Amara...she was very well characterized in this issue....those convoluted days of "Allison Crestmere" can finally rest.

Roberto was great.....glad the flirtatious side was back without going over the top. His line about hating to be a teacher expressed what i've been complaining about for some time. These characters are younger than the X-Men and they are teachers? Come on!

Sam was wonderful....i loved how Wells really understood that sure, Sam has a warrior side, but overall he is quite a softie. When he looked at the photo of all his friends, i got a bit misty-eyed myself.

Interesting that Wells mentioned Sam not being one to bark orders. That was, and likely still is, Dani's forte. She really oughtta co-lead.

The scene with the New X-Men..yeah..almost everyone came off bad...but after reading the entire scene...everyone's actions, while not excusable, did make more sense. Cannonball is likely elated that his old friend his back, and it hurts him to see any of his friends treated as such. So, he acted like an idiot. Darkchild or not, Illyana put those kids through hell. Victor's last line "Hope you can regrow an arm, DaCosta".....at first i laughed...Wells really captured Anole's nature that Kyle and Yost nurtured...then i got sad. Here's a kid who's severe physical mutation just got worse. Yeah yeah....Illyana was all darkchild etc....tell that to those kids. If You hate the New X-Men..of course Your opinion will be different. Speaking as a fan of both teams....that is where i stand.

The very last panel was downright unnerving.

Another X-title that leaves Uncanny in the dust! What do to...what to do!

[The Lucky One]

SPOIL IT FOR ME!!! What kind of interviews? Please tell me more than what we had seen on the internet!

The Spotlight interviewer asked a couple of questions whose answers should make longtime NM fans happy...


SPOTLIGHT: As for other fondly remembered New Mutants, Warlock recently reappeared in the pages of Nova. Is he likely to visit his old pals any time soon?

ZEB: I think people will be pleasantly surprised in the first year.

SPOTLIGHT: How about his best bud, Doug Ramsey. Dead means dead?

ZEB: Always! This is comics; that's a silly question. I'm not gonna dignify it.


-D

[XSE Drake]

This is the first comic in three years that had me at the comic shop on Wednesday buying a copy, rather than waiting for it to arrive on my doorstep. And it did not disappoint.

Kudos to all involved for a great first issue.

[infernohara]

Never read an issue of New mutants before, but it was FANTASTIC!!! Besides WoKs, this book was fun as heck to read. I've always been a Cannonball fan so I keep up with him with whatever he does. I have read New Mutants so I kinda got a feel for Magma and Sunspot, though I'm still curious how they are. (Magma seemed very sympathetic, unlike the version from New mutants...who kinda came off mean which is understandable since they attacked her while she was jogging).

Magik is...kinda strange. She seems to be some kind of Wildcard. I'm not sure how this team will deal with a borderline evil type character. She made me laugh alot though. I can't wait for more!!

[the Hornet]

It might be too soon to ask, but are they officially calling themselves New Mutants or is there an indication that they are official X-Men with the NM code-name for their group?

[Sgt. Preston]

The Spotlight interviewer asked a couple of questions whose answers should make longtime NM fans happy...


SPOTLIGHT: As for other fondly remembered New Mutants, Warlock recently reappeared in the pages of Nova. Is he likely to visit his old pals any time soon?

ZEB: I think people will be pleasantly surprised in the first year.

SPOTLIGHT: How about his best bud, Doug Ramsey. Dead means dead?

ZEB: Always! This is comics; that's a silly question. I'm not gonna dignify it.


-D

I'd love to see the return of Warlock to NM.

This was a solid first issue! Loved the characterization throughout. Great to see Berto and Amara getting some face time after so many years on the sidelines.

Illyana stole the show! Can't wait for #2.

[cookepuss]

It might be too soon to ask, but are they officially calling themselves New Mutants or is there an indication that they are official X-Men with the NM code-name for their group?

I think that Zeb said that they won't be screaming any New Mutants battle cry any time soon. :) He stated that he was never fond of the name. I don't think that they'll pick a team name. They're family more than just a team.

So, even if they occasionally refer to themselves as the New Mutants, it's because they have a shared identity. In fact, they're really just another team of X-Men.

Evidence of that is when Sam requests resources from Cyclops to send out a hand picked team. Basically, the roles have changed so that Scott is Professor Xavier and Sam has become Scott, back in the Claremont X-Men days - loyal and respectful to the chain of command.

Plus, as Sam appropriately tells Anole, they're not students anymore. They've graduated. I'd say that they're X-Men. At least that's how the media might perceive them. Especially with those big Xs on their uniforms.

This is not a situation where the Teen Titans could just drop the Teen and become Titans. The New Mutants can't suddenly become The Mutants. :) They're X-Men now. They're just their own unit.

I think that the fact that they're wearing the classic full body 80's X-Factor style uniforms, but with NM black & yellow colors seriously cements this.

[Scavenger]

Evidence of that is when Sam requests resources from Cyclops to send out a hand picked team. Basically, the roles have changed so that Scott is Professor Xavier and Sam has become Scott, back in the Claremont X-Men days - loyal and respectful to the chain of command.



Among the many things I liked in this issue was this. We've been told that Scott now leads a mutant army. That he's the guy in charge of this whole shebang...but I never get the feel for what that means (in X-Force he's limited for a reason, but in Uncanny, he's too busy looking like a porn star and not doing anything ....which is what everyone does in Uncanny these days...). Here, he was neither the hard ass to rebel against nor the twit to ignore. He was the leader of the mutant community, speaking to one of his lieutenants. It was almost a status quo scene for how the X-teams should be in the San Francisco setting, yet we've never seen it, since X-Force is supposed to be the opposite of that, and Fraction is too busy playing Bendis Jr. to actualy show how things should be day to day.

[Maestro]

Illyana and X-23 would be good friends, I think

[The Black Guardian]

Illyana and X-23 would be good friends, I think
I agree, especially after Megan tattled on Laura.

[Leirus]

I am happy we have recovered real Illyana this fast. After her death, she was remembered as her sweet snowflake persona Colossus was always whinning about.

This bad-ass, smart mouthed, evil-ish whitch with a soft side hidden somewhere is the real Illyana, though, and she is back :smile:

[pariah-1972]

I'm not even finished with this but i'm loving it ! i just wish Bobby was drawn darker and Amara had her original hair style that was all curly and stuff.

Illyana is def creeping me out.:eek:

[Leirus]

I'm not even finished with this but i'm loving it ! i just wish Bobby was drawn darker and Amara had her original hair style that was all curly and stuff.

Illyana is def creeping me out.:eek:


I do not really have a problem with Berto´s colour, as Brasilians come in all colours, shapes and... tastes...

It is true in his first depictions he was more mulatto than now, but I have seen him in so many colours by now that I do not really care anymore

[pariah-1972]

I do not really have a problem with Berto´s colour, as Brasilians come in all colours, shapes and... tastes...

It is true in his first depictions he was more mulatto than now, but I have seen him in so many colours by now that I do not really care anymoreI haven't seen anyone use Berto in so long that it's hard to remember but he used to be fairly dark skinned and had curly curly hair.


It's just a nitpick but he was drawn that way for so long why screw it up? it seems very much like white washing if i didn't know better.

Anyways i like the story even tho it started off a bit slow.
i hope to see more action next issue and i'm also hoping he the writer doesn't get himself too wrapped up in using Illyana's time travelling abilities as a plot device cause i could see where it could get even more confusing that it already is.

Never really cared for Legion to be honest i could do without since i'm sure hes supposed to be dead.

I'm also curious how the bar patrons knew they were mutants? i hope that's explained in the next issue.




Sorry for being nitpicky :redface: i really liked the issue tho and i thought he really captured everyones personality to a "T" and i liked the speech Cyclops gave to Sam.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Query:

Not received my issue yet, but a thought. Illyana rejoined the X-Men at the end of X-Infernus. A) Where has she been? and B) How has she come back from the future to the present day in this issue? Do we have 2 Illyanas, now?

Sounds like a potential continuity feck up to me.

[RickyD410]

Gah, my shop doesnt get their new stuff till tomorrow... So annoying.

[The Lucky One]

I'm also curious how the bar patrons knew they were mutants? i hope that's explained in the next issue.

I don't know that they specifically knew they were mutants so much as they knew they were asking questions about Dani and Shan. If those two made enemies out of the locals and the townspeople are trying to cover up that Dani and Shan were ever there, it makes sense that Grizzly Adams and friends there would try to attack them. Of course, if Shan has demonstrated her powers in front of people, the locals might have assumed Sam and Bobby would also be mutants.

-D

[The Lucky One]

Query:

Not received my issue yet, but a thought. Illyana rejoined the X-Men at the end of X-Infernus. A) Where has she been? and B) How has she come back from the future to the present day in this issue? Do we have 2 Illyanas, now?

Sounds like a potential continuity feck up to me.

It's mentioned offhand that Illyana left almost immediately after she agreed to stay, and this is the first anyone's seen her since then. As for the latter, it's a bit up in the air. The impression I got from the story is that she went into the future for some unspecified reason, and now she's returned back to her present to try to avert what she saw. However, I could be wrong about that.

-D

[pariah-1972]

Query:

Not received my issue yet, but a thought. Illyana rejoined the X-Men at the end of X-Infernus. A) Where has she been? and B) How has she come back from the future to the present day in this issue? Do we have 2 Illyanas, now?

Sounds like a potential continuity feck up to me.We haven't seen her since X-infernus unless it was in the New X-men which i stopped reading.




b. she can time travel thru her "stepping discs" which is her primary mutant power.

[Dagger]

I can't wait for next month! I wish this series was bi-weekly! Then I could get my fix!

Some of my favorite scenes:

Berto: Okay, you got us! We're totally mutants!

Amara and Manuel in the basement.

Sam and Cyke in the office.

Sam looking at the picture of him and his friends.

Them walking out all bad ass in their new costumes, and Sam having two extra for Dani and Shan.

Amara and Yana's conversation in the jet.

Sam and Berto taking about Berto's pants in the bar.

Berto 'questioning' the girls in the bar.

The full page spread of Shan's spread. Classic.

The final page reveal! Spooky, even though I kinda knew who it was, it still rocked my penis off!

And what I'm wondering is: Where the hell is Dani?

[Dagger]

Query:

Not received my issue yet, but a thought. Illyana rejoined the X-Men at the end of X-Infernus. A) Where has she been? and B) How has she come back from the future to the present day in this issue? Do we have 2 Illyanas, now?

Sounds like a potential continuity feck up to me.

I don't think Illyana can return to a time when she is already there. There was an issue of the New Mutants during Mutant Massacre, where Illyana teleported with Moira, and fetched her for the wounded, but when she went to port back, she realized she ported back in time, and couldn't port back there until she had left to begin with. I know, confusing, but that's how her power works.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It's mentioned offhand that Illyana left almost immediately after she agreed to stay, and this is the first anyone's seen her since then. As for the latter, it's a bit up in the air. The impression I got from the story is that she went into the future for some unspecified reason, and now she's returned back to her present to try to avert what she saw. However, I could be wrong about that.

You see, this was one of the things which worried me from the preview. I really hate it when a writer refuses to work with the characters in the state that they are, and fudges a way of getting things how they want them. Had X-Infernus not happened thenm Illyana appearing like this would be a big deal. As it is, X-Infernus DID happen. And because of that many readers are going to pick up this issue and think 'Hold on... but she's already back! Does this guy even READ the other books! This makes no sense'.

We haven't seen her since X-infernus unless it was in the New X-men which i stopped reading.

New X-Men finished before X-Infernus was published. As far as I know she did not appear in Young X-Men. But I wouldn't know. I dropped that book.

Out of curiousity did that end neatly, or was explamationrequired as to why Sam, Robert and Dani no longer were involved with the Young X-Men team?

b. she can time travel thru her "stepping discs" which is her primary mutant power.

As I understand it it's more that she can access Limbo via her stepping discs, wher time is a very maleableconcept. So it is quite possible to time travel via stepping into limbo, moving to a different time zone within, and stepping out into what would be the future on Earth.

[Leirus]

You see, this was one of the things which worried me from the preview. I really hate it when a writer refuses to work with the characters in the state that they are, and fudges a way of getting things how they want them. Had X-Infernus not happened thenm Illyana appearing like this would be a big deal. As it is, X-Infernus DID happen. And because of that many readers are going to pick up this issue and think 'Hold on... but she's already back! Does this guy even READ the other books! This makes no sense'.



New X-Men finished before X-Infernus was published. As far as I know she did not appear in Young X-Men. But I wouldn't know. I dropped that book.

Out of curiousity did that end neatly, or was explamationrequired as to why Sam, Robert and Dani no longer were involved with the Young X-Men team?



As I understand it it's more that she can access Limbo via her stepping discs, wher time is a very maleableconcept. So it is quite possible to time travel via stepping into limbo, moving to a different time zone within, and stepping out into what would be the future on Earth.


Nope, the time travel mojo is in the nature of her powers... we have seen that a number of times, as when Doc Strange used her powers to delete the Kulan´Gath invasion from time, or when she was instrumental to end the Age of Apocalypse... and she had ever been in Limbo in that reality.

And I do not really see the problem. After inferno she left, traveled forward in time and now she has come back... I guess we will get an explanation about where she went, just because it is an important plot point... and she is as she was when ex-infernus ended : not quite her old self, but nearly there...

[The Lucky One]

Out of curiousity did that end neatly, or was explamationrequired as to why Sam, Robert and Dani no longer were involved with the Young X-Men team?

Nah, it was kind of a rush wrap-up. The series ended with the YXM and X-Men jointly defeating Donald Pierce, Dust being saved while Ink goes into a coma, and then the YXM taking off on another mission (led by Dani and Berto) to beat back the Neo, who are attacking San Fran for... some reason.

In other words, Dani and 'Berto were still semi-respected mentors to the kids then, while here we've got Anole calling Bobby "DaCosta" and being blatantly disrespectful. It doesn't bother me much because I buy the scene and the kids' anger, but no, it's not like they had a falling out at the end of YXM and this is the logical continuation.

-D

[pariah-1972]

You see, this was one of the things which worried me from the preview. I really hate it when a writer refuses to work with the characters in the state that they are, and fudges a way of getting things how they want them. Had X-Infernus not happened thenm Illyana appearing like this would be a big deal. As it is, X-Infernus DID happen. And because of that many readers are going to pick up this issue and think 'Hold on... but she's already back! Does this guy even READ the other books! This makes no sense'.



New X-Men finished before X-Infernus was published. As far as I know she did not appear in Young X-Men. But I wouldn't know. I dropped that book.

Out of curiousity did that end neatly, or was explamationrequired as to why Sam, Robert and Dani no longer were involved with the Young X-Men team?



As I understand it it's more that she can access Limbo via her stepping discs, wher time is a very maleableconcept. So it is quite possible to time travel via stepping into limbo, moving to a different time zone within, and stepping out into what would be the future on Earth.I don't know in Mystic Arcana she went back to Egypt thru her stepping discs so maybe she doesn't always need Limbo.

[pariah-1972]

Nah, it was kind of a rush wrap-up. The series ended with the YXM and X-Men jointly defeating Donald Pierce, Dust being saved while Ink goes into a coma, and then the YXM taking off on another mission (led by Dani and Berto) to beat back the Neo, who are attacking San Fran for... some reason.

In other words, Dani and 'Berto were still semi-respected mentors to the kids then, while here we've got Anole calling Bobby "DaCosta" and being blatantly disrespectful. It doesn't bother me much because I buy the scene and the kids' anger, but no, it's not like they had a falling out at the end of YXM and this is the logical continuation.

-DThat just means that Young X-men is not canon anymore:evilsmile: :evilsmile:

[Swashbuckler]

I had no problem with Illyana returning from the future. I mean, the opening scene explains that she didn't stick around San Fran long and the plot points in the story indicate that we will learn what exactly is going on. It's just not all being revealed at once.

The concept of the kids being angry also makes sense to me. The Young X-Men felt constantly failed by their mentors, when in reality they are just failures themselves. When Magick returns, they get angry at their mentors for trusting her. Clearly Sunspot isn't happy about being a "teacher" as he references the fact in the issue. The relationship isn't a strong one between these groups of characters and I think that scene was put there to express that more openly.

[Jack Flash]

I am no longer buying pamphlet comics, but in this case i made an exception. I enjoyed the book. Illyana is spot on. So is Amara. Sam and Berto were totally fun. I can't wait for Dani to pop up and save the day. and I almost peed myself when someone mentioned that Zeb is considering bringing back the Hellions in one form or another!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dagger]

I am no longer buying pamphlet comics, but in this case i made an exception. I enjoyed the book. Illyana is spot on. So is Amara. Sam and Berto were totally fun. I can't wait for Dani to pop up and save the day. and I almost peed myself when someone mentioned that Zeb is considering bringing back the Hellions in one form or another!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know! Catseye, Roulette and Jetstream♥ you're comin' home!!! I hope.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Nah, it was kind of a rush wrap-up. The series ended with the YXM and X-Men jointly defeating Donald Pierce, Dust being saved while Ink goes into a coma, and then the YXM taking off on another mission (led by Dani and Berto) to beat back the Neo, who are attacking San Fran for... some reason.

In other words, Dani and 'Berto were still semi-respected mentors to the kids then, while here we've got Anole calling Bobby "DaCosta" and being blatantly disrespectful. It doesn't bother me much because I buy the scene and the kids' anger, but no, it's not like they had a falling out at the end of YXM and this is the logical continuation.

Hmmm. With this and Illyana I'm seeing a lot of rushed and shoddily passed over continuity, here. I hope not. Guess I'll have to wait and see.

[Swashbuckler]

Hmmm. With this and Illyana I'm seeing a lot of rushed and shoddily passed over continuity, here. I hope not. Guess I'll have to wait and see.

Did you read this first issue? It all made perfect sense to me.

[timbox]

Anole acting like a bitch is definitely in continuity.

[jarrod]

I know! Catseye, Roulette and Jetstream♥ you're comin' home!!! I hope.
Roulette and Jetstream both died on panel though, didn't they? We all know Casteye secretly got away (SHE DID!) but which other Hellions weren't specifically "on panel" for the Sentinel/Fitzroy massacre?

[Dagger]

Roulette and Jetstream both died on panel though, didn't they? We all know Casteye secretly got away (SHE DID!) but which other Hellions weren't specifically "on panel" for the Sentinel/Fitzroy massacre?
Tarot somehow came back, and if there's a will, there's a yummy middle easterner with a jet pack strapped to his ass just waiting to be revived.

[Leirus]

Roulette and Jetstream both died on panel though, didn't they? We all know Casteye secretly got away (SHE DID!) but which other Hellions weren't specifically "on panel" for the Sentinel/Fitzroy massacre?

Jetstream was a loser, but I liked Roulette and her ridiculous power a lot... Resurrecting Catseye is easy... given her background, she could have gone away and get trapped in her cat form by the traum... do we have Scans of the Hellions carnage?

[Dagger]

Jetstream was a loser, but I liked Roulette and her ridiculous power a lot... Resurrecting Catseye is easy... given her background, she could have gone away and get trapped in her cat form by the traum... do we have Scans of the Hellions carnage?
You're a loser:evilangry:

[Leirus]

You're a loser:evilangry:

Lol, sorry Dagger, I forgot that every character has its fans... I do not really dislike Jetstream, but there are other Hellions I would like to see resurrected better...

[dkostus]

Okay... here's the thing about Illyana coming back in time... she's wearing the new costume that they just fabricated for her!

The only way I can see that it works, unless Zeb Wells explains it better in the next few issues, is that in the normal course of things that was supposed to happen, Illyana eventually went back to the base and found Amara with a hole blown in her stomach, and then Sam Bobby and Illyana go and try to save the others after basically doing what they just did here... fabricating costumes, etc.

It doesn't work, and they are unsuccessful at saving them, so mid-battle Illyana drops through a stepping disk to an earlier time and warns Sam, Berto and Amara early so they can still make it in time to save them.

But for this to work, that means "one year from now" after this issue takes place, Illyana would have had to come back of her own accord anyway. That will now never happen, which creates a time paradox and means that another new time line has branched off, and this is essentially Illyana from an "alternate future." Because of Limbo and the way her powers work, I guess there arguably are not two Illyana's here... uh... just because. and perhaps the future she came from is now erased.

There is definitely a time paradox created though.

[Leirus]

Okay... here's the thing about Illyana coming back in time... she's wearing the new costume that they just fabricated for her!

The only way I can see that it works, unless Zeb Wells explains it better in the next few issues, is that in the normal course of things that was supposed to happen, Illyana eventually went back to the base and found Amara with a hole blown in her stomach, and then Sam Bobby and Illyana go and try to save the others after basically doing what they just did here... fabricating costumes, etc.

It doesn't work, and they are unsuccessful at saving them, so mid-battle Illyana drops through a stepping disk to an earlier time and warns Sam, Berto and Amara early so they can still make it in time to save them.

But for this to work, that means "one year from now" after this issue takes place, Illyana would have had to come back of her own accord anyway. That will now never happen, which creates a time paradox and means that another new time line has branched off, and this is essentially Illyana from an "alternate future." Because of Limbo and the way her powers work, I guess there arguably are not two Illyana's here... uh... just because. and perhaps the future she came from is now erased.

There is definitely a time paradox created though.

She created the uniform. Magically.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Okay... here's the thing about Illyana coming back in time... she's wearing the new costume that they just fabricated for her!

The only way I can see that it works, unless Zeb Wells explains it better in the next few issues, is that in the normal course of things that was supposed to happen, Illyana eventually went back to the base and found Amara with a hole blown in her stomach, and then Sam Bobby and Illyana go and try to save the others after basically doing what they just did here... fabricating costumes, etc.

It doesn't work, and they are unsuccessful at saving them, so mid-battle Illyana drops through a stepping disk to an earlier time and warns Sam, Berto and Amara early so they can still make it in time to save them.

But for this to work, that means "one year from now" after this issue takes place, Illyana would have had to come back of her own accord anyway. That will now never happen, which creates a time paradox and means that another new time line has branched off, and this is essentially Illyana from an "alternate future." Because of Limbo and the way her powers work, I guess there arguably are not two Illyana's here... uh... just because. and perhaps the future she came from is now erased.

There is definitely a time paradox created though.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees the inherent continuity problems.

[Swashbuckler]

Glad I'm not the only one who sees the inherent continuity problems.

I just don't think you can claim it's a problem before seeing the story arc finished. And even if, Illyana's limbo powers can easily explain it away. Nit picking over this seems a bit ridiculous in my opinion.

[darknessatnoon]

I just don't think you can claim it's a problem before seeing the story arc finished. And even if, Illyana's limbo powers can easily explain it away. Nit picking over this seems a bit ridiculous in my opinion.

I agree. She probably came from a future where she hadn't been on that mission but where they made the costumes anyway. This is when people used to try to get No Prizes.

[Yearning4Yorick]

I don't see how you people can complain about what you view as continuity problems with a character who can time travel in the first freaking issue. The first issue?! Really? I don't think you are thinking hard enough.

[The Lucky One]

I agree that there's a lot we still don't know about Illyana's time trip, but I'm not yet convinced that her uniform is a continuity blunder. It seems strange that a book with so many other subtle nods to continuity would make a large mistake like that. Who knows, maybe she took the uniform from a dead future version of herself, or one of the other New Mutants. Maybe she saw the uniforms the others were wearing in the future in her scrying pool in Limbo and magicked herself up a version. Maybe she's fighting against or alongside Legion and he telekinetically created it for her. So far those are just fanwank explanations, but hopefully we'll see an in-story explanation before the arc is over.

Or, you know... a wizard did it.

-D

[Swashbuckler]

I don't see how you people can complain about what you view as continuity problems with a character who can time travel in the first freaking issue. The first issue?! Really? I don't think you are thinking hard enough.

None of them get No-Prizes.

[darknessatnoon]

I agree that there's a lot we still don't know about Illyana's time trip, but I'm not yet convinced that her uniform is a continuity blunder. It seems strange that a book with so many other subtle nods to continuity would make a large mistake like that. Who knows, maybe she took the uniform from a dead future version of herself, or one of the other New Mutants. Maybe she saw the uniforms the others were wearing in the future in her scrying pool in Limbo and magicked herself up a version. Maybe she's fighting against or alongside Legion and he telekinetically created it for her. So far those are just fanwank explanations, but hopefully we'll see an in-story explanation before the arc is over.

Or, you know... a wizard did it.

-D

You get a No Prize.

[Prodigy55]

LOL. Cannonball, can you get any hotter? Those pants WORKED. And the boots, don't even get me started on the boots.

BUT OMG. Sunspot, wtf are you wearing lol.

[Swashbuckler]

I agree that there's a lot we still don't know about Illyana's time trip, but I'm not yet convinced that her uniform is a continuity blunder. It seems strange that a book with so many other subtle nods to continuity would make a large mistake like that. Who knows, maybe she took the uniform from a dead future version of herself, or one of the other New Mutants. Maybe she saw the uniforms the others were wearing in the future in her scrying pool in Limbo and magicked herself up a version. Maybe she's fighting against or alongside Legion and he telekinetically created it for her. So far those are just fanwank explanations, but hopefully we'll see an in-story explanation before the arc is over.

Or, you know... a wizard did it.

-D

Why can't it just be a uniform she has and the New Mutants like it, so they base their team uniforms off of it?

[darknessatnoon]

Why can't it just be a uniform she has and the New Mutants like it, so they base their team uniforms off of it?

Since Sentient Coffee Maker created the uniforms and it's versed in time travel, that's not likely. It's most likely that since it is not programmed with Daylight Savings Time it has accumulated enough futurity to be as ahead of time as Future Ilyanna was and is programmed with future fashions.

[Swashbuckler]

Since Sentient Coffee Maker created the uniforms and it's versed in time travel, that's not likely. It's most likely that since it is not programmed with Daylight Savings Time it has accumulated enough futurity to be as ahead of time as Future Ilyanna was and is programmed with future fashions.

SCM will be a great addition to this book. It can date Warlock.

[darknessatnoon]

SCM will be a great addition to this book. It can date Warlock.

It's not interested in sentiently transmitted virus, thank you very much.

[The Lucky One]

I'm just waiting for Doug to return, get issued a new uniform, and have Sam immediately reassure him, "Don't worry, they're bulletproof. We checked." Then Doug will just stare at him and Illyana will cackle and say, "Oooh, too soon?"

-D

[Prodigy55]

Ugh, Anole do you even know what a Succubus is? I really am starting to hate that kid.

[Swashbuckler]

Ugh, Anole do you even know what a Succubus is? I really am starting to hate that kid.

The New X-Men remind of the younger generation of today. They are so coddled and looked after that they are failing at getting anything done for themselves. Their was a whole article in TIME about how today's youth are mentally growing up slowler because parents are sheltering them too much. I agreed with the whole concept. I mean, kids these days have little personality. The media chooses everything for them. The New X-Men show that they lack the ability to act on their own. If they don't want to be around the XMen and Illyana then they should leave and join the NYX cast.

[The Lucky One]

Ugh, Anole do you even know what a Succubus is? I really am starting to hate that kid.

A beautiful woman who appears in your dreams and has sex with you? That's Anole's worst nightmare. It's no wonder he chose to call Illyana that.

What's surprising is that Rockslide wasn't like, "Dude, she's a succubus? Why doesn't anyone tell me these things? Quick, where's the Nyquil?!"

-D

[jarrod]

A beautiful woman who appears in your dreams and has sex with you? That's Anole's worst nightmare. It's no wonder he chose to call Illyana that.

What's surprising is that Rockslide wasn't like, "Dude, she's a succubus? Why doesn't anyone tell me these things? Quick, where's the Nyquil?!"

-D
I'd more expect a "suck" joke out of Santo honestly. Too bad him having the hotts for Yana wasn't mentioned. :(

[Hi-Fi]

LOL. Cannonball, can you get any hotter? Those pants WORKED. And the boots, don't even get me started on the boots.

BUT OMG. Sunspot, wtf are you wearing lol.
Sunspot doesn't need to rely on clothes. Just look at him! Dude's from Brazil. We've got it going on.

[Prodigy55]

Sunspot doesn't need to rely on clothes. Just look at him! Dude's from Brazil. We've got it going on.

That's true. But he should still know better.

[jarrod]

Agreed. Berto should just go nude from here on out.

[Leirus]

Well, bobby has gone just in his underpants most of his life, and Cannonball seemed cool with that so I guess Berto could do the same...

By the way, I am sad nobody is voting in my hellions poll. Sob. :frown:

[NielsVanEekelen]

Okay, New Mutants #1 came out on the day of the worst deadline crunch ever (not that I let that stop me from going to the store) but I just had to drop off some comments before getting back to work.

Darn, I spend all that effort defending Sam's actions in the preview (still don't think he was out of line there) and then he does Wolverine-level growling the next page! Sam's outburst is as easily defensible as the youngsters', but he really could have acted his age.

The art is nice--not evenly nice across every page, but the good stuff is great. Solid storytelling, some very nice character acting (Roberto flirting, Illyana's repeated taunting smirk). Plus, the Astonishing X-Men homage was fun.

Illyana looks younger than the others, which makes me all the more desperate to finally get official word whether she's Inferno-age or what. She definitely still delights in mischief, gotta love that.

The story is intriguing, but needs to progress a bit before I can really judge it. For a first issue, it did its job of getting me interested perfectly, but admittedly it did not have much work to do there. I like that empath was immediately featured--it suggests a commitment to the characters' history beyond the obvious.

One thing I rather hate, though, is excessive gadgetry. The X-Men just have jets available, fine. But an instant uniform maker, don't like it. Uniforms that magically turn into civvies? HATE them. (Unless, you know, that was actual magic, in which case I'd be okay with it. I'll just believe that until confirmed otherwise.)

How long until #2?

(Answer: Too damn long!)

[Prodigy55]

Yeah he should go back to his X-Force two piece swimsuit.

[Jack Flash]

Roulette and Jetstream both died on panel though, didn't they? We all know Casteye secretly got away (SHE DID!) but which other Hellions weren't specifically "on panel" for the Sentinel/Fitzroy massacre?

Roulette did not die on panel. Tarot did. and she's back.

[jarrod]

Roulette did not die on panel. Tarot did. and she's back.
Oh, right. I think we actually saw Beef, Jetstream and Tarot die on panel then? Roulette and Beavatron were both at the HFC party exactly when the massacre took place though, and not shown among the survivors iirc.

Catseye wasn;t shown on panel at all iirc, though there might've been SOME OTHER pink haired impersonator at Fitzroy's Hellions BBQ?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Oh, and 34-page story? Win. Far more win for our $3.99 than extras would've been. Cheers, Marvel!

[Hi-Fi]

Remember when Sam and Berto went swimming in the lake, naked? While the girls had a pijama party (aka pillow fight, kiss practice, experimenting)? All in New Mutants #25?

Ah, good times.

[Leirus]

Remember when Sam and Berto went swimming in the lake, naked? While the girls had a pijama party (aka pillow fight, kiss practice, experimentating)? All in New Mutants #25?

Ah, good times.

Hi-Fi, sometimes you are quite disconcerting...

[Wind Rider]

This was a great opener! A few subplots were introduced right away while the main story left me with a nice cliffhanger. I'm in.

[coconutphone]

I agree that there's a lot we still don't know about Illyana's time trip, but I'm not yet convinced that her uniform is a continuity blunder. It seems strange that a book with so many other subtle nods to continuity would make a large mistake like that. Who knows, maybe she took the uniform from a dead future version of herself, or one of the other New Mutants. Maybe she saw the uniforms the others were wearing in the future in her scrying pool in Limbo and magicked herself up a version. Maybe she's fighting against or alongside Legion and he telekinetically created it for her. So far those are just fanwank explanations, but hopefully we'll see an in-story explanation before the arc is over.

Or, you know... a wizard did it.

-D

Between this and your list of little touches you loved (Sam carrying 2 extra uniforms, Amara heating up Emplate's dinner) I think I have a new internet crush :)

[yanapryde]

double post, my bad y'all!

[yanapryde]

I'm just waiting for Doug to return, get issued a new uniform, and have Sam immediately reassure him, "Don't worry, they're bulletproof. We checked." Then Doug will just stare at him and Illyana will cackle and say, "Oooh, too soon?"

-D

This has to be one of the TOP posts in this thread thus far!
AAAAh May Zing! I can hear it and see it and I am just itching to have Illyana and Doug be cracking wise about death together. Wonderful!

Okay, New Mutants #1 came out on the day of the worst deadline crunch ever (not that I let that stop me from going to the store) but I just had to drop off some comments before getting back to work.

Darn, I spend all that effort defending Sam's actions in the preview (still don't think he was out of line there) and then he does Wolverine-level growling the next page! Sam's outburst is as easily defensible as the youngsters', but he really could have acted his age.

The art is nice--not evenly nice across every page, but the good stuff is great. Solid storytelling, some very nice character acting (Roberto flirting, Illyana's repeated taunting smirk). Plus, the Astonishing X-Men homage was fun.

Illyana looks younger than the others, which makes me all the more desperate to finally get official word whether she's Inferno-age or what. She definitely still delights in mischief, gotta love that.

The story is intriguing, but needs to progress a bit before I can really judge it. For a first issue, it did its job of getting me interested perfectly, but admittedly it did not have much work to do there. I like that empath was immediately featured--it suggests a commitment to the characters' history beyond the obvious.

One thing I rather hate, though, is excessive gadgetry. The X-Men just have jets available, fine. But an instant uniform maker, don't like it. Uniforms that magically turn into civvies? HATE them. (Unless, you know, that was actual magic, in which case I'd be okay with it. I'll just believe that until confirmed otherwise.)

How long until #2?

(Answer: Too damn long!)

Zeb did state that the Illyana we'd be exposed to would be "a bit older than you've seen her. She's going to be round about the same age as the others"

But then he later states in the same interview, after bringing up her time traveling ability via her stepping discs: "So for the first year or so we dont know how old this Illyana is, what her context is."

As for the uniform-to-civies scene, I was under the impression that Sam had included wrist-image-inducers like what Nightcrawler used to wear. Since they all went for their wrists as their clothing appeared.

Lastly: Stop questioning time paradoxes and time travel fek-ups already! Its issue ONE. Give the man time to explain. Time travel has got to be one of the most difficult sci-fi elements to include in a story successfully so lets give the man some credit and see where he runs with it. Nobody knows where Illyana has been. Just because she SAYS she was one year in the future doesn't mean that she was, or that she was ONLY one year in the future. She may have been in several different 'times' since she skipped out after Inferno

[jarrod]

Remember when Sam and Berto went swimming in the lake, naked? While the girls had a pijama party (aka pillow fight, kiss practice, experimenting)? All in New Mutants #25?

Ah, good times.
Rahne was soooo cute!

[pariah-1972]

I wish Rhane would come into this book it fits her a lot better than the "grim and gritty" that is X-force and shes barely even being used now anyways.

[Imraith Nimphais]

ARRRGH!...I know I said I would try to hold out on reading the "spoiler" thread for NM#1...but I just could not help myself...I am so weak...everything I've read so far has got me even more excited-er for this...I don't get my copy until tomorrow...deep sigh.

[Omega Alpha]

I liked it a lot, but with a couple of reservations:

1) A girl that knows the future assembles a team of young superheroes in order to avoid it? Hasn't this been done before?

2) While I enjoyed the Sam/Scott scene, Cannonball calling him Sir all the time seems something the character would do 20 years ago, not today. He would certainly be very respectful, but would think of Scott as an equal, even because Cyke and the X-men already treat him as such.

But none of this takes away the enjoyment. This was better than I've antecipated. Looking forward to the next issues,

[Push You Down]

Although I think the new uniforms look cool (and Sam carrying the two extra ones for Karma and Dani was an awesome touch).... Sunspot's line about them looking like grown ups made me laugh. Only one team can get away with matching outfits, the Fantastic Four... The matching duds made them look even more like kids to me. Also, why does sunspots not have a v neck? I'd think coloring mistake but the line detail wasn't even drawn on his suit there.

Magick was spot on.
I've never liked Magma so the sooner she's gone the better.
Cannonball did have too many sirs with Scott. The only time it would have made sense was after the "bring them home alive" line.
Sunspot was more annoying than usual here... also... it was disturbing that he and Sam were colored the exact same skin tone through a lot of the issue.

[cookepuss]

1) A girl that knows the future assembles a team of young superheroes in order to avoid it? Hasn't this been done before?
True, but these things are classic for a reason. They're convenient for the writers and fun for the readers. The writer can immediately start in the middle of a story and hit the ground running. Readers get an instant mystery.

Writers do stuff like this all of the time. Is it bad not to come up with new cliches? Maybe? It doesn't mean that the old ones still aren't effective gems though. I mean, nobody complains whenever Loki's antics cause a new Avengers team to form. Frankly, I'd be a bit upset not to see Loki or some such involved in the formation of the Avengers. Tradition.

While I enjoyed the Sam/Scott scene, Cannonball calling him Sir all the time seems something the character would do 20 years ago, not today.
I thought that at first too. HOWEVER, it occurred to me that even though Sam has grown up and changed so has Scott. Cyclops isn't just the X-Men leader anymore. He's basically been thrust into the role of Professor X. So, Scott becomes Xavier and Sam becomes Scott.

This version of Sam we're seeing now is very much like Scott back in 1984. He's a seasoned X-Men, but clearly respectful of the chain of command and how Professor Scott is the HMIC (head mutant in charge.) Repeatedly calling him Sir is something I can actually see Scott having done with Xavier back in the 80s. Now, he'd probably just call him Charles as often as Professor or Sir. There's a reason why Wolverine always thought that Scott was Xavier's lapdog. Intentional or not, Scott was always a little too respectful.

Also, in many ways, Sam is still kinda accepting that, "Hey, I'm an adult now." Some habits die hard. I suspect that he still can't quite shake that feeling that he's not the student anymore. It freaks him out that Scott readily accepts his roster request. I think that Sam can't fully grasp that he's Scott's peer. Even though they've served a the same level before, Scott has always been the role model ideal that Sam was trying to reach. Now, instead of looking up to Scott, he's right at eye level. I'm not sure that he's quite realized that. Sam, while a smart guy, has always been a little slow on the uptake with some things.

BTW: I don't know if this is about Southern upbringing or anything, but... I've known and seen a lot of Southerners who are OBSCENELY respectful. Every other word is "Sir" or "Ma'am". It can indeed get annoying, but it's part of how they were brought up. I think that, as well raised boy from the south, Sam would be as annoyingly respectful. Plus, if you've ever known anybody in the military you know how repeatedly referring to people as Sir or Ma'am becomes a second nature sort of thing too. The X-Men are essentially the Mutant Army Corp now.

[The Lucky One]

2) While I enjoyed the Sam/Scott scene, Cannonball calling him Sir all the time seems something the character would do 20 years ago, not today. He would certainly be very respectful, but would think of Scott as an equal, even because Cyke and the X-men already treat him as such.

Different people see characters different ways, but I didn't have any problem with it. To me it's not a sign of Sam feeling inferior, it's just his upbringing. He's a proper Southern boy who was taught from a very early age that you show adults and people who are older than you respect, whether they're your boss or superior officer or just someone who's lived longer than you have. It doesn't mean he'll follow Scott's every order or even agree with him all the time, but Scott is older than he is, has been doing this longer, and makes the final decisions. That's a "sir" situation right there. I have every confidence that if Sam's father were still alive, he'd call him "sir," not "Dad." :wink:

-D

[The Lucky One]

Between this and your list of little touches you loved (Sam carrying 2 extra uniforms, Amara heating up Emplate's dinner) I think I have a new internet crush :)

Cheers. :wink: My wife gets annoyed with me frequently, so one of these days she just might let you have me.

-D

[Hi-Fi]

Different people see characters different ways, but I didn't have any problem with it. To me it's not a sign of Sam feeling inferior, it's just his upbringing. He's a proper Southern boy who was taught from a very early age that you show adults and people who are older than you respect, whether they're your boss or superior officer or just someone who's lived longer than you have. It doesn't mean he'll follow Scott's every order or even agree with him all the time, but Scott is older than he is, has been doing this longer, and makes the final decisions. That's a "sir" situation right there. I have every confidence that if Sam's father were still alive, he'd call him "sir," not "Dad." :wink:

-D
Yes, but they already dealt with that when Sam joined the X-Men. Scott asked him to stop calling him "sir" and start calling him Scott. And that's what he did, up 'til Carey's X-Men.

The only thing that bugs me is that it seems Wells is kinda ignoring any character grow that happened after New Mutants Volume 1 ended.

[cookepuss]

Yes, but they already dealt with that when Sam joined the X-Men. Scott asked him to stop calling him "sir" and start calling him Scott. And that's what he did, up 'til Carey's X-Men.
Yeah, but if you're in your 30s and suddenly your 60 year old Dad asks you to refer to him as Jim you're going to have a HUGE problem breaking that "silly old habit" of yours.

Sam's dad died years ago while he was in his mid-teens. People like Scott or Xavier have been his role models for mutant life and just in general. For Sam to suddenly call his "uncle" and his "dad" Scott & Charles would be a rough thing to ask.

People like Storm have no trouble with it because they didn't ever see somebody like Xavier in that regard. Jean never had trouble with it because she had a father and because her relationship with Xavier was different. However, for somebody like Scott or Sam, they've got some larger than life father figure role models in their lives. Both lost their dads at early ages.

When looking at Sam/Scott, you really have to draw some very heavy Scott/Xavier parallels.

The only thing that bugs me is that it seems Wells is kinda ignoring any character grow that happened after New Mutants Volume 1 ended.
Yeah, but even though Sam can grow up so can Scott. The more things change the more they remain the same. Scott will always be older and one step ahead due to having more field time, more life experience, and being the mutant poster child.

Some old relationships manage to change and evolve for a while and then just as swiftly manage to slip back into old comfortable habits. Real life is kinda like that too.

[Ryan W]

So far, so good! I really liked issue 1 and have very few quibbles with it. I loved the Amara/Empath moment! Glad to see their relationship isn't forgotten.

[The Lucky One]

Yes, but they already dealt with that when Sam joined the X-Men. Scott asked him to stop calling him "sir" and start calling him Scott. And that's what he did, up 'til Carey's X-Men.

Ah, I didn't know that. Maybe it just has to do with what cooke mentioned, Scott's assumption of Xavier's traditional role. Scott's not a teammate to Sam anymore, not even a squad leader -- now he's The Guy In Charge. If you've got an older coworker who asks you to call him by his first name, but then he gets promoted into a higher position with more direct oversight over you, you might go back to calling him "sir."

Or Sam might, anyway. :wink:

-D

[KJ_81]

Enjoyable, but I felt it could have used a bit more 'oomph' to it. A core plot that was a bit grander or something, y'know. Something to REALLY bring them back together.

I liked the costumes, but I was hoping for modern updates on their original outfits, not X-Factors.

One last nit, Legion bores me. I was happy he was dead.

All that whinging aside, I'm onboard for this book. Can't wait to see where it goes.

[Omega Alpha]

Yeah, but if you're in your 30s and suddenly your 60 year old Dad asks you to refer to him as Jim you're going to have a HUGE problem breaking that "silly old habit" of yours.

Sam's dad died years ago while he was in his mid-teens. People like Scott or Xavier have been his role models for mutant life and just in general. For Sam to suddenly call his "uncle" and his "dad" Scott & Charles would be a rough thing to ask.

People like Storm have no trouble with it because they didn't ever see somebody like Xavier in that regard. Jean never had trouble with it because she had a father and because her relationship with Xavier was different. However, for somebody like Scott or Sam, they've got some larger than life father figure role models in their lives. Both lost their dads at early ages.

When looking at Sam/Scott, you really have to draw some very heavy Scott/Xavier parallels.


Yeah, but even though Sam can grow up so can Scott. The more things change the more they remain the same. Scott will always be older and one step ahead due to having more field time, more life experience, and being the mutant poster child.

Some old relationships manage to change and evolve for a while and then just as swiftly manage to slip back into old comfortable habits. Real life is kinda like that too.

But Scott was never a father figure to Sam in the sense Xavier was to him; Xavier himself or Cable would fill that role for him. And he already outgrew for the most part this insecurities throughout the years as a X-man. If he was telling Cyke to do what he says or go f*ck himself or something similar, it would be completely out of character sure, but Sam wouldn't feel intimidated by him like he seemingly was here, Scott himself would try to avoid that.

[Yearning4Yorick]

But Scott was never a father figure to Sam in the sense Xavier was to him; Xavier himself or Cable would fill that role for him. And he already outgrew for the most part this insecurities throughout the years as a X-man. If he was telling Cyke to do what he says or go f*ck himself or something similar, it would be completely out of character sure, but Sam wouldn't feel intimidated by him like he seemingly was here, Scott himself would try to avoid that.

It's not about being a father figure, it's that Cyclops is the General to the mutant army, Sam is requesting a team for a mission, being from the South and having this be a military type structure, it makes perfect sense.

[cookepuss]

But Scott was never a father figure to Sam in the sense Xavier was to him;
Yeah, but Scott was the ideal. He was the mutant role model put on a pedestal. Suppose you're a kid and you pattern your whole life and who you are after one person, not unlike a parent. Scott wasn't always there in the same way that Xavier was, but his "ghost" was. The legend of Scott Summers filled the halls. It was something that Sam had to face everyday as a student and kid growing up. He was growing up in the shadow of a guy who was essentially his big brother. It's like your brother going off to college, but you're just a frosh at his old highschool. You're constantly compared to him and always try to live up to his ideal. That's Sam's position. He's constantly trying to live up to "big bro's" legend. To Sam, Scott, may always be Sir.

Xavier himself or Cable would fill that role for him.
Ehhhhhhh...... Cable was always more like the rotten uncle who you parents hated because he had no problem sneaking you a beer. Cable was less of a father figure and more of a taskmaster.


And he already outgrew for the most part this insecurities throughout the years as a X-man.
You can say that because they're comic characters. However, in real life, people can hang on to certain insecurities and habits until the day they die. There's no such thing as uniform growth. There's no changing that Spider-Man will probably make immature and inappropriate jokes at the worst time. He'll probably do it on his deathbed. Its just who he is.

If he was telling Cyke to do what he says or go f*ck himself or something similar, it would be completely out of character sure,
That's the thing. It might not be out of character. People are more complex than that. They have more than one mode of being.

Just because Sam can tell Cyclops to f*** himself doesn't mean that he doesn't love him like a brother. Families fight. Sometimes those fights get out of hand. Even the most restrained individuals can just lose it and seemingly act out of character.

These moments just add more layers to a character. I mean, nobody expects Wolverine to be the type to set a romantic dinner, but it's something I'm sure that's well within his nature - hidden under layers of anger and body hair.

Sam wouldn't feel intimidated by him
I think that Scott is capable of intimidating and scaring people a lot more these days. He's got a newfound darkness that would make Wolverine go, "Damn! You're dark." :biggrin:

[darknessatnoon]

The sir thing made me sick but I'm sure Sam made fun of Cyclops afterwards.

[Yearning4Yorick]

The sir thing made me sick but I'm sure Sam made fun of Cyclops afterwards.

The few trips I have made below the mason dixon back up the way Sam talked to Scott. They are insanely polite down there, disgustingly so.

[cookepuss]

Another thing.

People talk about Sam's "years as a X-Man", but we're dealing with Marvel time here. In Marvel years, which are often pretty flexible, 1 comic year is usually about 4-5 real years. 3:1 on an extremely generous day.

It may have been 26 years since the New Mutants debuted, but that's about 5-6 years of their time. That would put Sam at 21-22 years old, which fits.

So, suppose that Sam was on the X-Men for 50 issues total. That's probably a gross overestimation, btw. Still, suppose his combined X-Men run amounted to a year of real time. In that respect, Sam wasn't a X-Man for all that long in the grand scheme.

For us, sure. In Marvel time.... not so long.

This is why teams like the FF or X-Men have been around for ~45 years our time, but only 10+ years Marvel time. 15 years if you apply a 3:1 ratio. That would also put Scott in his early 30s, which fits as well.

Marvel time is exceedingly elastic. That's why they can play Scott as 32, but Spidey as maybe 25ish when they should almost be the same exact age. They bend ages to the wills of their writers, but there's a certain 3-5 to 1 ratio going on here when it comes to aging. (The exception being little kids. Really. Franklin Richard should be a teenager already.)

If you think about it, comic characters go through a LOT in such a brief time. They should all be locked up with mental problems. :tongue:

[coconutphone]

Yeah there's no continuity issues here (at least so far). Illyana was welcomed back to the team at the end of X-Infernus, she left right afterwards and now she's back from who knows where/when. Let the story UNFOLD. No conflict here. Some people just look to complain.

[cookepuss]

The few trips I have made below the mason dixon back up the way Sam talked to Scott. They are insanely polite down there, disgustingly so.
Yeah. My brother in-law is from Louisiana. At home, with my sis, he's his normal douchey self. In front of my mom, dad, or any other authority figure...... Yes Sir. No Ma'am. Please. Thank You.

As a New Yorker, I'm a bit less inclined to be so polite. So it irks me too. LOL I'm more of the f*** this, eat sh** & die type. :evilsmile: Not out of disrespect per se, but more because I have no trouble speaking my mind and forgoing the niceties.

[cookepuss]

BTW: For anybody curious about what happened to Dani....

Look it the 1st page. In that scene where the little girl is drawing you can see standard issue X-Men belt buckle on the floor behind her. I think that Dani feel victim to the same trap that Xi'an did.

[NewMutant]

Another thing.

People talk about Sam's "years as a X-Man", but we're dealing with Marvel time here. In Marvel years, which are often pretty flexible, 1 comic year is usually about 4-5 real years. 3:1 on an extremely generous day.

It may have been 26 years since the New Mutants debuted, but that's about 5-6 years of their time. That would put Sam at 21-22 years old, which fits.

So, suppose that Sam was on the X-Men for 50 issues total. That's probably a gross overestimation, btw. Still, suppose his combined X-Men run amounted to a year of real time. In that respect, Sam wasn't a X-Man for all that long in the grand scheme.

For us, sure. In Marvel time.... not so long.

This is why teams like the FF or X-Men have been around for ~45 years our time, but only 10+ years Marvel time. 15 years if you apply a 3:1 ratio. That would also put Scott in his early 30s, which fits as well.

Marvel time is exceedingly elastic. That's why they can play Scott as 32, but Spidey as maybe 25ish when they should almost be the same exact age. They bend ages to the wills of their writers, but there's a certain 3-5 to 1 ratio going on here when it comes to aging. (The exception being little kids. Really. Franklin Richard should be a teenager already.)

If you think about it, comic characters go through a LOT in such a brief time. They should all be locked up with mental problems. :tongue:

Sam was on X-Treme X-Men alone for 24ish issues. Careys run was 24ish issues. His Claremont post Xtreme run for about 10 issues. Plus... his original X-Men run from which was 30ish issues.

He was just now really feeling like a full fledge X-Man which was part of the reason why I don't like the idea of the NM book.

[coconutphone]

But they're not the NM/junior team anymore. They're their own squad within the X-Men. It's not a downgrade especially with Scott giving Sam carte blanche to do what he wants with whatever team he wanted. He trusts him. Most people wouldn't get that from Scott

[NewMutant]

But they're not the NM/junior team anymore. They're their own squad within the X-Men. It's not a downgrade especially with Scott giving Sam carte blanche to do what he wants with whatever team he wanted. He trusts him. Most people wouldn't get that from Scott

Like I said earlier... I did really like the issue, especially Sam back into a leadership role. But I'll miss him hangin with the big guns of the X-Men.

[cookepuss]

Sam was on X-Treme X-Men alone for 24ish issues. Careys run was 24ish issues. His Claremont post Xtreme run for about 10 issues. Plus... his original X-Men run from which was 30ish issues.
2 years Marvel time... Max.

He was just now really feeling like a full fledge X-Man which was part of the reason why I don't like the idea of the NM book.

He NEVER felt like a full fledged X-Man. He was handed no more storyline or responsibility than Kitty Pryde was when she joined at age 13. At most, Sam was as well handled as Iceman, which isn't saying much.

Visually, he made a good addition to the team, but that's it. He provided the nice idea of a small town kid who made good on his dreams, but he was clearly nowhere in the same league as Storm, Bishop, Rogue, Gambit, or Wolverine. That's why it was so surprising when he knocked Gladiator on his ass.

As a reader, it was nice to see him in the X-books, but he was sorely underutilized. Even Claremont, his creator, didn't care much - choosing to focus on his pet character of the day, Sage.

Even when Sam got some decent action scenes in recent years, as with Carey's run, he's been a bit of an after thought. In Uncanny, his story took a back seat in relation to that of his brother Josh and his sister Paige.

The problem with being a straight laced, vanilla character is that writers have a hard time crafting interesting stories around them. That's why they've had to add a dark streak to Cyclops. That's why his character was minimized in the movies. Nobody cares about Joe Whitebread.

That's not to say that I don't love Sam. I do. To pieces. However, X-Men writers pretty much stuck him in the background or gave him token story bits because he's hard to write for.

In contrast, with the New Mutants, he was always easier to write for since he was played as a foil for Dani and as straight man to Bobby. Sam worked better in that context because he had people of like age to play off of.

In the X-Men, he may have been a full fledge member, but he was always the junior of the team. It showed in his associations with the team. It showed in the amount of serious story time he got. It showed in the types of action shots he got. It was never, "Sam. you're the only one who can help us. Save us." or "WolverWHO?!? Who cares?!? We've got Cannonball!"

Sam may have been a fan favorite, but he was mostly the "token" new blood on the team. Just to make the likes of Iceman seem older and more mature.

It was nice watching Sam "graduate" from X-Force to the X-Men, but it was never a serious sort of deal. At least it was never handled with the same weight you'd give a senior X-Men. No prolonged Sam oriented arcs, as far as I remember.

(I've got 10,000+ comics. Remembering the specifics of each one can be a pain sometimes. :redface: )

[cookepuss]

But they're not the NM/junior team anymore. They're their own squad within the X-Men. It's not a downgrade especially with Scott giving Sam carte blanche to do what he wants with whatever team he wanted. He trusts him. Most people wouldn't get that from Scott
Exactly. He asked Scott for certain permissions, but only out of respect for the fact that Scott's the man with the money, the resources, and the clout. If this were the military, Sam might be a mid-ranking sergeant or a lieutenant and Scott would clearly be the 5-star general. He's not a bush league, straight from basic training recruit, but he's not calling the shots for anybody other than his own personal troops. Troop requests approved by General Scott Summers.

Marvel seems pretty serious about treating the X-Men like an army these days. Scott has his investigative team. He's got his black ops team. He's got the armament and jets. Even their base is a glorified military compound. In that regard, you have to treat the relationships in light of ranks. The New Mutants aren't throwaway infantry, but they aren't the Navy Seals of the mutant teams either. They sit somewhere between the "All New X-Men" and the "Young X-Men" - both in military usefulness and rank.

Again, I bring up DC's Titans. Most of them have earned every right to be JLA and have outgrown the Teen group. However, they exist to fill the gap that the kids can't and the globe trotting senior group won't. No less valid in the JLA hierarchy.

[Scavenger]

It's not about being a father figure, it's that Cyclops is the General to the mutant army, Sam is requesting a team for a mission, being from the South and having this be a military type structure, it makes perfect sense.

Agreed. Notice that Sam's standing at attention. This is what the X-Men Status quo is supposed to be, and yet is never shown.

[The Lucky One]

Like I said earlier... I did really like the issue, especially Sam back into a leadership role. But I'll miss him hangin with the big guns of the X-Men.

Heh... trust me, the guns don't come much bigger than the New Mutants. If Warlock rejoins the team, even with Dani depowered their power level becomes insane. They'd mop up the floor with the current X-Men team, no problem.

-D

[Puunk]

Roberto is lookin more like Cristiano Roberto but hey they are both Brazilian

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n50/pimpin_krystal/cristiano_ronaldo_pepe_07.jpg

.. now I'm really loving Roberto.

[Hakael]

Two things...

1. I really dug this book. Can not say a bad word about it.

2. When Scott told Sam that being a leader means bringing everyone back alive, was this before or after he sent X-Force after Cable instead of saving three X-Men?

Very much looking forward to the next issue...

[Prodigy55]

Heh... trust me, the guns don't come much bigger than the New Mutants. If Warlock rejoins the team, even with Dani depowered their power level becomes insane. They'd mop up the floor with the current X-Men team, no problem.

-D

I get that you are a fan of the NM, but you're getting ridiculous.

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=cookepuss;8891143]Yeah, but Scott was the ideal. He was the mutant role model put on a pedestal.QUOTE]

If Scott Summers is the ideal mutant role model then its no wonder that mutants are almost extinct.

Honestly, there has never been a worse main character in a comic book. He is 100% defined by his relationship and obsessiveness with Jean Grey. No personality. No likability. The man ran out on his wife and son because he found out that his old girlfriend was still alive and never told the girlfriend that he was married or had a kid. He refused to help the X-Men on several occassions because Jean was resting in the hospital and he didn't want to leave her. He was too stupid to realize that forming the original X-Factor would make humanity think even more that mutants are like animals. The last time he was semilikable was Uncanny issue 175. That was a great issue, by the way.

One of the things I liked about X-Men 3 was that they killed Cyclops early. In all three movies he was straight out of the comics, bland, stupid, completely obssessed with Jean over the rest of the world.

Sorry about the rant and to all Cyclops fans. I just really hate that such a noncharacter continues to be a main character.

[cookepuss]

Heh... trust me, the guns don't come much bigger than the New Mutants. If Warlock rejoins the team, even with Dani depowered their power level becomes insane. They'd mop up the floor with the current X-Men team, no problem.

-D

Maybe. Warlock is certainly not the frightened kid he was when he joined. His increased power ranks has DEFINITELY shown through in Nova's series. However, I still don't think that he's Magus level yet. I'm not quite sure that he's at the star ripping power level yet. Also, keep in mind that the X-Men and New Mutants did whup the more powerful Magus too.

Warlock will definitely add a LOT more power to the team, but I think that a whole team would have an edge against him. Especially if Kitty escaped that damn bullet. Her phasing alone might take out Locke.

Warlock is one of those characters who may forever be used for comic effect, despite having some super scary power levels. Take Plastic Man for example. The guy manipulates his body on a molecular and maybe even atomic level. Yet he's still basically played as a living cartoon. Same with Morph.

The real fear is having a deus ex machina. If you really let Warlock, Morph, or Plastic Man cut loose with what their powers could REALLY do then each team would have their own mini-Phoenix or Superman.

[The Lucky One]

I get that you are a fan of the NM, but you're getting ridiculous.

Fair enough, I stand by it but I can understand why you'd be skeptical. Granted it depends on which X-Men you consider to currently be on the "active" roster (example: Rachel, Alex, and Polaris are not in my opinion), but the team I've seen in skimming UXM issues recently? Yeah, with Warlock on the team, the New Mutants would definitely beat them. Maybe "mop the floor" is an exaggeration :wink: , but they would win.

-D

[cookepuss]

If Scott Summers is the ideal mutant role model then its no wonder that mutants are almost extinct.
Ironic, eh? He's the living embodiment of Xavier's dream and he's the biggest threat to it. It's actually fun watching him slowly turn into Magneto.

Honestly, there has never been a worse main character in a comic book.
Not disagreeing with you. He's a good little soldier and even a competent general, but the man has ZERO social skills. He's always been a much better X-Man than he was an actual man. Again, with Charles Xavier as HIS role model, is that so surprising?

Xavier is a basket case himself. Manipulative. Giving almost no crap about a long lost son. Enslaving Danger for the greater good. Probably having a secret crush on the teenaged Jean. Scott was following a flawed example, whether he knew it or not. In turn, Sam was (unconsciously) following in Scott's own flawed footsteps.

It's a vicious cycle.

If anything it goes to show you how Quicksilver is probably more well adjusted, which is twisted as hell since Pietro is super f***ed up. :biggrin:

eah, with Warlock on the team, the New Mutants would definitely beat them.
Even without they'd stand a good chance. Remember, Illyana also commands a horde of demons. Those guys alone could keep the kill machine that is Wolverine busy enough for the NM to even up the odds.

[cookepuss]

2. When Scott told Sam that being a leader means bringing everyone back alive, was this before or after he sent X-Force after Cable instead of saving three X-Men?
Does it matter? Scott's a hypocrite. What Scott says and what he does doesn't always line up. He's openly supporting Xavier's dream, but getting the job done using Magneto's methods.

[Hakael]

Does it matter? Scott's a hypocrite. What Scott says and what he does doesn't always line up. He's openly supporting Xavier's dream, but getting the job done using Magneto's methods.

I'm bringing it up because it was Tabby who caught the short end of that stick.

[pariah-1972]

[QUOTE=cookepuss;8891143]Yeah, but Scott was the ideal. He was the mutant role model put on a pedestal.QUOTE]

If Scott Summers is the ideal mutant role model then its no wonder that mutants are almost extinct.

Honestly, there has never been a worse main character in a comic book. He is 100% defined by his relationship and obsessiveness with Jean Grey. No personality. No likability. The man ran out on his wife and son because he found out that his old girlfriend was still alive and never told the girlfriend that he was married or had a kid. He refused to help the X-Men on several occassions because Jean was resting in the hospital and he didn't want to leave her. He was too stupid to realize that forming the original X-Factor would make humanity think even more that mutants are like animals. The last time he was semilikable was Uncanny issue 175. That was a great issue, by the way.

One of the things I liked about X-Men 3 was that they killed Cyclops early. In all three movies he was straight out of the comics, bland, stupid, completely obssessed with Jean over the rest of the world.

Sorry about the rant and to all Cyclops fans. I just really hate that such a noncharacter continues to be a main character.If he is defined by his obsessiveness with Jean then why did he cheat on her?


I agree with most of what you said tho.

[lobsterj]

I quit reading X-men proper a few years ago but had to pick this up since it is the New Mutants. I thought it was okay, but I didn't like how Cannonball deferred to Cyclops. Whats the current setup now? Do all the teams live in one place?

I would kill for just one "Magnum P.I. on DVD" reference.

[cookepuss]

I'm bringing it up because it was Tabby who caught the short end of that stick.
Oh. I know what you're saying. I guess what I mean is that it doesn't matter much what was really on Scott's mind. His actions and words aren't lining up since he's leading 2 lives.

As far as NM vs the core X-teams.... I think as long as Wolverine or X-23 was out of the mix the fight would be much more even.

- Sam has had training from Scott, Xavier, AND Cable as his field leaders.And his blast field would be protect him greatly from optic blasts. (Plus, the whole Xternal thing was never adequately answered.) Scott's a battle hardened master tactician, but Sam learned from the best. Scott would win only if he could out think Sam. I don't think that powers alone would beat him. Otherwise, Sam might just cannonball him into the side of a mountain and end the fight
- Magma's command of the Earth probably equals Storm's ability with the weather. I call it a tie here unless Storm blasts her with lightning or Amara traps Ororo in a thick claustrophobia inducing pile of molten rock.
- Berto is much stronger now than as a kid, which would make for an interesting fight VS Colossus. I'd think that it would be Colossus by a hair. Then again, Berto can fly now and shoot solar blasts, neither of which have been shown in a while.
- Nightcrawler's teleportation doesn't stack up anymore in terms of endurance or range. I'm pretty sure that Illyana can dump him in Yugoslavia and just end her battle against him. (Kurt can't even match Pixie's teleportation.) As long as it doesn't turn into a fight over the soulsword, Illyana would win straight up. Although, if Illyana lost her sword that would mean that she might revert to her Darkchild state, which would be bad for everybody.
- Emma would have distinct advantage over Karma though. Emma would telepathically beat her like a redheaded step child.
- Dani VS Jimmy (proudstar) would probably end up in a draw. Jim is faster and stronger and has those vibranium blades. However, Dani's probably as good if not a better hand-to-hand fighter. She's always been a smarter fighter. Warpath is more about crush, destroy, & slash. Plus, with Asgard back "online" there's no idea how exactly Dani's been effected power-wise.

Take Wolverine out of the equation by either demon horde distraction or simply not including him and the fight between the 2 teams would be interesting. The NM aren't kids anymore and could easily hold their own. No easy 1-hit wins here. The senior team will probably win, but only because 1/2 of the members are now willing to kill. Except for Illyana, I don't think that any NM would kill unless absolutely, absolutely, absolutely forced to.

[MuhollandDriver]

A few more comments!

Of course, Cyclops had to be in this issue...as he permeates every X-Title to a certain degree. Yes...he is top dog. It nonetheless reminded me that i'd like to see Dani as leader..or at least co-leader with Sam. i have no interest in male-centric soldier/general relationships. That scene with Cyclops and Sam was my least favorite...but much of this was subjective. If it floated Your boat....wonderful.

Anyone notice Illyana's civilian clothes?

This is volume three my girl......quit dressing like You are still in volume one.

[cookepuss]

Whats the current setup now? Do all the teams live in one place?
That's sort of the implication. Although I think that the NM may not hang around for long after year one. The San Francisco base is more like a common club house for some of the team members. Most live there. Some just hang out there.

I would kill for just one "Magnum P.I. on DVD" reference.
Even better. There's a proposed Magnum movie in the works. I'd love to see Berto getting all twitchy about that. :)

[cookepuss]

It nonetheless reminded me that i'd like to see Dani as leader..or at least co-leader with Sam.
I think that's Zeb's goal. Sam and Dani are both strong personalities and will probably be at odds over team decisions. For the 1st arc, I think that Sam will dominate as leader. For everything after.... That's up in the air.

Anyone notice Illyana's civilian clothes?
This is volume three my girl......quit dressing like You are still in volume one.
Yeah, but she's an anachronism. She doesn't really fit in, as she's been artificially aged and forced to live by Limbo's standard of normalcy.

[MuhollandDriver]

It seems this issue is getting some good reviews.

Anyone watch the review by those three guys on camera? i forget their names....the one in the middle often pisses me off.

Of course...their favorite moment was the scene with Cyclops behind his desk.

Only someone who absolutely loves the current direction of Uncanny would say that. Not a judgment call....just an observation.

After the first arc....i am interested what other villains Wells has up his sleeve. Bwahaha!

[Prodigy55]

I agree about Illyana's clothes, they were pretty ugly.

[ExodusCloak]

Roberto is lookin more like Cristiano Roberto but hey they are both Brazilian

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n50/pimpin_krystal/cristiano_ronaldo_pepe_07.jpg

Umm Portuguese.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I just flipped thru this at the LCS, and I just couldn't buy it. The uniforms were fucking horrid. Yellow sockboots? :rolleyes:

I'm out.

[ExodusCloak]

I thought it was solid, never liked the New Mutants Uniforms ever, but there wasn't much if anything to complain about. I mean the uniforms are meant to be homage.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I thought it was solid, never liked the New Mutants Uniforms ever, but there wasn't much if anything to complain about. I mean the uniforms are meant to be homage.

They omitted the BEST PART of the original NM unis: the foldover pirate boots.

Boooo!

[Imraith Nimphais]

I quit reading X-men proper a few years ago but had to pick this up since it is the New Mutants. I thought it was okay, but I didn't like how Cannonball deferred to Cyclops. Whats the current setup now? Do all the teams live in one place?

I would kill for just one "Magnum P.I. on DVD" reference.

That would be so fan-frakki'n-tastic!...lol...seeing how firm a grasp Zeb Wells has on these characters, I won't be surprised if we do see one such reference cropping up from time to time.:biggrin:

[sunofdarkchild]

Fair enough, I stand by it but I can understand why you'd be skeptical. Granted it depends on which X-Men you consider to currently be on the "active" roster (example: Rachel, Alex, and Polaris are not in my opinion), but the team I've seen in skimming UXM issues recently? Yeah, with Warlock on the team, the New Mutants would definitely beat them. Maybe "mop the floor" is an exaggeration :wink: , but they would win.

-D

If they let Illyana keep her sorcery on Earth she'd beat half of them by herself. In the few issues where Illyana used her powers on Earth the effects were shocking. In New Mutants issue 14 she fired and energy blast that hit harder than either Sam or Roberto could at the time (they've both gotten more powerful since). In issue 52 she semi-challenged Magneto to a 1 on 1 with a devilish smile. Then in X-Infernus 2 she makes novices (oh...right) out of Beast, Rockslide, Mercury and Pixie by herself.

If she is allowed to use her sorcery on Earth the New Mutants would already have the advantage. If she isn't then they probably have a disadvantage.

Add Warlock to the mix and there is no way the New Mutants would lose no matter what Illyana's powers are defined as. A powered Illyana teamed with Warlock wouldn't even need the help of the other New Mutants to win hands down.

[ExodusCloak]

They omitted the BEST PART of the original NM unis: the foldover pirate boots.

Boooo!

The problem I had with Young X-Men and the New Mutants Version 2 uniforms in Academy X is that the costumes were really bland. Yellow and blue just doesn't work, I think Graduates should be entitled to customized attire as opposed to wearing those bland O5 look a like costumes that got the X-Men cancelled in the first place.

[yanapryde]

The problem I had with Young X-Men and the New Mutants Version 2 uniforms in Academy X is that the costumes were really bland. Yellow and blue just doesn't work, I think Graduates should be entitled to customized attire as opposed to wearing those bland O5 look a like costumes that got the X-Men cancelled in the first place.

SPOTLIGHT: Apart from the classic black and yellows, some of these guys dont have the best records with costumes. Are you and Dio going to fix that?

ZEB: I hope so. We kind of went back to square one for the first arc, trying to create the base that we'll build from in the next year or two. They might look more conventional now, but they will evolve.

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=sunofdarkchild;8891862]If he is defined by his obsessiveness with Jean then why did he cheat on her?


I agree with most of what you said tho.

It's always been that his personality is "I love Jean." Everything else is always second to him, even being a leader and being an X-Man.

I actually never read anything from the period where Emma first fell for Scott and the fake Magneto killed Jean again, but I thought that it was a relief for Jean to discover that had actually NOT cheated on her.

[jarrod]

Current "core cast" X-Men are supposedly...

-Cyclops
-Emma Frost
-Beast
-Storm
-Archangel
-Wolverine
-Nightcrawler
-Colossus
-Dazzler
-Northstar
-Armour (kinda)
-Pixie (kinda)
-Psylocke (soon)

...honestly, I don't think the current Muties lineup would have much of a chance, despite heavy hitters like Illyana and Magma. Numbers alone weight things heavily in the X-Men's favor. Adding Warlock, I think it becomes a solid maybe.

[yanapryde]

I'm bringing it up because it was Tabby who caught the short end of that stick.

Those who can't do....teach. Or in this case ...instruct.:rolleyes:

[Prodigy55]

They omitted the BEST PART of the original NM unis: the foldover pirate boots.

Boooo!

OPLS. Like anyone would take them seriously if they still wore those!

[yanapryde]

Current "core cast" X-Men are supposedly...

-Cyclops
-Emma Frost
-Beast
-Storm
-Archangel
-Wolverine
-Nightcrawler
-Colossus
-Dazzler
-Northstar
-Armour (kinda)
-Pixie (kinda)
-Psylocke (soon)

...honestly, I don't think the current Muties lineup would have much of a chance, despite heavy hitters like Illyana and Magma. Numbers alone weight things heavily in the X-Men's favor. Adding Warlock, I think it becomes a solid maybe.

Well to throw in 3 "kinda and soons" that isn't entirely fair. And to include characters who have yet to DO anything (Dazzler) doesn't make much sense either. Angel isn't around and his current condition is being kept secret.
So basically you're left with
Cyke and Emma.
Beast and Storm.
Nightcrawler and Colossus.
Northstar and Pixie.
Meh.

I'd argue that Storm would be the major threat in this scenario.

[MuhollandDriver]

Current "core cast" X-Men are supposedly...

-Cyclops
-Emma Frost
-Beast
-Storm
-Archangel
-Wolverine
-Nightcrawler
-Colossus
-Dazzler
-Northstar
-Armour (kinda)
-Pixie (kinda)
-Psylocke (soon)

...honestly, I don't think the current Muties lineup would have much of a chance, despite heavy hitters like Illyana and Magma. Numbers alone weight things heavily in the X-Men's favor. Adding Warlock, I think it becomes a solid maybe.

The New Mutants against Scott, Emma, and the 1-Panel Men!

[Prodigy55]

I like the NM, but seriously. Emma would mindrape all of them if they ever fought. There really is no contest, so let's just leave it at that.

[cookepuss]

I thought it was solid, never liked the New Mutants Uniforms ever, but there wasn't much if anything to complain about. I mean the uniforms are meant to be homage.
I didn't have much of a problem with the old NM costumes. They were just standard issue X-Men costumes from the 60s run. You either like `em or you don't. Its their "graduation" uniforms that kinda sucked - stuff they cobbled together from a trunk in the attic.

The costumes here are basically just the old X-Factor ones with classic colors. Says a lot about the team too, as it likens them to X-Factor back in the day. An original X-team reunited.

They omitted the BEST PART of the original NM unis: the foldover pirate boots.
Yeah. Those buccaneer boots WERE cool. They still don't fly well nowadays. Only somebody like Captain America can get away with them in this day and age.

After the first arc....i am interested what other villains Wells has up his sleeve. Bwahaha!
I'm more interested in seeing how closely he ties this book to the core X-universe. The original NM book was deeply tied into X-Men happenings. Being one of the few ongoing spin offs, and probably the first, it tied into every major storyline. I want to see if Zeb is allowed to play in the playground of those major events. AND, if he does, can he do it without screwing around too much with his ongoing threads? That's a big question mark.

If NM becomes as isolated as GenerationX was then it's doomed to its own corner on the fringe of the X-universe along with Maddrox's X-Factor. On the other hand, if they include it in the major X-happenings as much as they did for New X-Men during Messiah Complex then it'll fare better.

It's a wait and see thing though. No idea what Zeb's Year 2 plan is or how editorial may interfere. That all hinges on year 1 sales and those creative summits.

I think Graduates should be entitled to customized attire as opposed to wearing those bland O5 look a like costumes that got the X-Men cancelled in the first place.
The original X-Men got canceled or put into hiatus for reasons other than costumes. The book was ahead of its time and readership wasn't quite grasping the concept. Lee & Kirby were doing a bang up job, but there was a greater fascination with other books. In fact, in their non-repeat run, they did change the costumes.

As far as the graduates getting their own customized costumes.... Zeb has already stated that these are the costumes that they start off with. There will be some more individual customization going on as the series progresses. For now, these are the template costumes that they grabbed on the go. I don't think that they should stray too far from what's here, as it promotes a sense of unified identity, but a bit of individuality can't hurt. I agree.

To me, the X-Men have been missing a unifying theme in their costumes for a while. They tried it with the whole X over the heart recently, but it somehow doesn't seem like its enough. I think the original X-Factor struck a nice balance. Same design. Individualized color palettes.

If they let Illyana keep her sorcery on Earth she'd beat half of them by herself.
Illyana has always had her magic on Earth. She's just much stronger in Limbo. Over there, she might be a match for Dr. Doom or Dr. Strange's current power levels. Over on Earth, she's probably just a couple of step above the Young Avenger's Wiccan or Runaway's Nico. Power-wise.

[cookepuss]

I like the NM, but seriously. Emma would mindrape all of them if they ever fought. There really is no contest, so let's just leave it at that.
Probably not Illyana though. Her mind is so messed up that the backlash might hurt Emma. Plus, the whole 99% no soul thing would sting her like a bitch. :) Emma would also have a problem with Warlock. Even Xavier couldn't fully read or access him since his mind wasn't like anything human.

[jarrod]

Well to throw in 3 "kinda and soons" that isn't entirely fair. And to include characters who have yet to DO anything (Dazzler) doesn't make much sense either. Angel isn't around and his current condition is being kept secret.
So basically you're left with
Cyke and Emma.
Beast and Storm.
Nightcrawler and Colossus.
Northstar and Pixie.
Meh.

I'd argue that Storm would be the major threat in this scenario.
Well, the kindas are more junior members but they're still working with the adults rather than the other X-kids. I threw in Betsy because she's on the cusp of joining... she'll at least be an X-Man again before Warlock's a Mutie again.

Dazzler complimented the Scemma dyNASTY and contributed to the delinquency of a minor. She also tried to steal Rogue's gay, but he faked it.

Angel's a core X-Man again. He's been more active in Fraction's book than most honestly, paying for things and hitting on The Mayor.


The New Mutants against Scott, Emma, and the 1-Panel Men!
Being a member of both teams, Shan would sadly have to fight herself. :frown:

[jarrod]

Probably not Illyana though. Her mind is so messed up that the backlash might hurt Emma. Plus, the whole 99% no soul thing would sting her like a bitch. :) Emma would also have a problem with Warlock. Even Xavier couldn't fully read or access him since his mind wasn't like anything human.
I think Magma, Illyana and Warlock would all be problematic big hitters for the Muties. On the X-Men side there's Emma, Storm and Psylocke comparably for powerhouses though... where the X-Men get an edge is in their raw numbers of second tier threats.

[Pixie_Solanas]

OPLS. Like anyone would take them seriously if they still wore those!

Frankly, no one takes 'em seriously anyway. Why not look good while being ignored?

[cookepuss]

The New Mutants against Scott, Emma, and the 1-Panel Men!
Yeah. If you're going to toss in the whole X-Men roster.... Sure the NM are whupped. Pick a roster of even size and the fight isn't so easy to predict. Magik would laugh at Pixie's pitiful attempts at combat or magic.

As for Storm.... She'd definitely be a major threat, but she's not unbeatable in the same way that Wolverine will just go on and kill until there's nothing left. I think that Storm VS Magma would be the most even fight there. Magma was creating volcanos as a kid with no experience of control. Imagine now. Storm would have to win based on her fighting skills from her depowered days. Land VS Skies. Those ladies are power goddesses of their respected turfs.

(A good reason why Dani could exist without powers. Storm did it for a long time and to great effect.)

[Pixie_Solanas]

Magik was more interesting with horns on her head and cloven-hoof feets.

[jarrod]

Storm would spank Magma one on one, no question. It'd be embarrassing.

I think Ororo would be the only real chance the X-Men have against Illyana though. Astonishing team (Cyclops, Storm, Emma, Beast, Wolverine, Armour) vs the starting Muties lineup (Cannonball, Sunspot, Dani, Karma, Magma, Yana) could be a fun match though. And actually pretty evenly matched I think, though Yana would probably tip things in her team's favor.

[yanapryde]

Since the topic has been brought up a few times now....how ARE the X-Men broken up anyhow?

It seems the majority believe anyone who shows up in Uncanny is TRUE X-MAN (for lack of a better term) but I always viewed Uncanny is an 'overseer' book of the X community as of late. Since so many faces roll in and out of the pages I don't really consider it a team book. Not like, say, Astonishing. There is not a definite cast. Merely those who show up more often than others/ have speaking parts.

New Mutants: Cannonball, Sunspot, Mirage, Karma, Magik and Magma (currently)

Astonishing: Cyke, Wolvie, Emma, Storm, Beast, Armor

X-Force: Wolvie, X-23, Angel, Elixir, Domino, Vanisher, Warpath......wolfsbane

As yet unassigned to a team but still present at X-HQ--->
Dazz, Pix, Northstar, Colossus, etc etc

[cookepuss]

I think Magma, Illyana and Warlock would all be problematic big hitters for the Muties. On the X-Men side there's Emma, Storm and Psylocke comparably for powerhouses though... where the X-Men get an edge is in their raw numbers of second tier threats.
I think that the NM could bolster their troops with the cannon fodder Young X-Men and the other students. Sure, those kids would get slaughtered in a real fight, but the older X-Men would probably hold back some. Most of the older guys won't want to beat up their teenaged students/wards. A critical oversight when you consider the existence of short tempered characters like Anole or Santo or the T2-like Mercury. All you need is one good hit by the kids or a lucky blow to turn the tides.

[cookepuss]

As yet unassigned to a team but still present at X-HQ--->
Dazz, Pix, Northstar, Colossus, etc etc

Those 4 seem to be tied to the Uncanny along with Emma, Wolvie, & Scott. Their stories are just a bit looser though.

Plus you've got McCoy and his science team.

[jarrod]

Since the topic has been brought up a few times now....how ARE the X-Men broken up anyhow?

It seems the majority believe anyone who shows up in Uncanny is TRUE X-MAN (for lack of a better term) but I always viewed Uncanny is an 'overseer' book of the X community as of late. Since so many faces roll in and out of the pages I don't really consider it a team book. Not like, say, Astonishing. There is not a definite cast. Merely those who show up more often than others/ have speaking parts.

New Mutants: Cannonball, Sunspot, Mirage, Karma, Magik and Magma (currently)

Astonishing: Cyke, Wolvie, Emma, Storm, Beast, Armor

X-Force: Wolvie, X-23, Angel, Elixir, Domino, Vanisher, Warpath......wolfsbane

As yet unassigned to a team but still present at X-HQ--->
Dazz, Pix, Northstar, Colossus, etc etc
Fraction's doing this "rotating cast" thing. Basically everyone in SF are "real" X-Men (X-Force, YXM & New Mutants included) and he picks and chooses who he wants whenever.

[yanapryde]

Those 4 seem to be tied to the Uncanny along with Emma, Wolvie, & Scott. Their stories are just a bit looser though.

Plus you've got McCoy and his science team.

Ya, like I said though, I don't really consider Uncanny to be a team.
Uncanny for me is the broad X-scope book. It follows the leaders (Cyke and Emma) more and acts as a flagship less than a team-driven story.

[Prodigy55]

THis is my favourite image ever.

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo245/mustafe9/CannonballCiv.jpg

[MuhollandDriver]

Adding on.....i loved some time. the family/friendship/bonds dynamic to the book...it is something that made the X-Books popular...and its been missing for

[Dagger]

Remember when Sam and Berto went swimming in the lake, naked? While the girls had a pijama party (aka pillow fight, kiss practice, experimenting)? All in New Mutants #25?

Ah, good times.
That was NM#21, stud.

[the Hornet]

I think that Zeb said that they won't be screaming any New Mutants battle cry any time soon. :) He stated that he was never fond of the name. I don't think that they'll pick a team name. They're family more than just a team.

So, even if they occasionally refer to themselves as the New Mutants, it's because they have a shared identity. In fact, they're really just another team of X-Men.

Evidence of that is when Sam requests resources from Cyclops to send out a hand picked team. Basically, the roles have changed so that Scott is Professor Xavier and Sam has become Scott, back in the Claremont X-Men days - loyal and respectful to the chain of command.

Plus, as Sam appropriately tells Anole, they're not students anymore. They've graduated. I'd say that they're X-Men. At least that's how the media might perceive them. Especially with those big Xs on their uniforms.

This is not a situation where the Teen Titans could just drop the Teen and become Titans. The New Mutants can't suddenly become The Mutants. :) They're X-Men now. They're just their own unit.

I think that the fact that they're wearing the classic full body 80's X-Factor style uniforms, but with NM black & yellow colors seriously cements this.

Buddy, you just gave me a better reason to buy this book (aside from waiting for fan response on the story quality).

[MuhollandDriver]

The Slumber Party issue..when Warlock officially joined!

The first issue i ever bought....i was like thirteen or so :)

[sunofdarkchild]

I don't think Wolverine counts as an X-Man anymore. He's more of an everywhere at once man. They really need tone down the Wolverine. No nontimetraveler can be inso many places at the same time.

Maybe Illyana's been away because she was busy telporting Wolverine to all of his issues. That's a 24/7 job.

[the Hornet]

Fair enough, I stand by it but I can understand why you'd be skeptical. Granted it depends on which X-Men you consider to currently be on the "active" roster (example: Rachel, Alex, and Polaris are not in my opinion), but the team I've seen in skimming UXM issues recently? Yeah, with Warlock on the team, the New Mutants would definitely beat them. Maybe "mop the floor" is an exaggeration :wink: , but they would win.

-D

What New Mutants? They are X-men, the NM name is just for the book. lalalalalala

[Dagger]

BTW: For anybody curious about what happened to Dani....

Look it the 1st page. In that scene where the little girl is drawing you can see standard issue X-Men belt buckle on the floor behind her. I think that Dani feel victim to the same trap that Xi'an did.
Ooh! Maybe she'll get her powers back, via Iceman/Quicksilver, and it was all a mental block.
Umm Portuguese.
No, Brazilian. They speak Portuguese.
They omitted the BEST PART of the original NM unis: the foldover pirate boots.

Boooo!
I would kill to see the pirate boots back!

[Dagger]

I like the NM, but seriously. Emma would mindrape all of them if they ever fought. There really is no contest, so let's just leave it at that.
Magik and Warlock are invulnerable to telepathy, and all you have to do is teleport the X-Men to Limbo and BAM! instant No-Men.

[the Hornet]

I think that's Zeb's goal. Sam and Dani are both strong personalities and will probably be at odds over team decisions. For the 1st arc, I think that Sam will dominate as leader. For everything after.... That's up in the air.


Yeah, but she's an anachronism. She doesn't really fit in, as she's been artificially aged and forced to live by Limbo's standard of normalcy.

Although I rather see Sam as leader, I can accept Dani taking the position but only if done well. If Sam is written to be less capable than Dani resulting in her taking over the position, I am leaving.

Sam may have started out as second in command or less confident but his consistent field experience in New Mutants (he stayed till the end) to X-Force (he kept the team alive through some seriously insane stuff) to X-Treme X-Men (he sort of took control of the Bishop rescue mission towards the end leading even Gambit and Rogue and others) has made his leadership skills better than most. Plus he had the training of 3 masters and even Scott maybe.

No disrespect to Dani but like I said if Dani is leading and not Sam, there better be a really good reason for it. At least if they are co-leading, it could be due to them being such close friends and prefering it like that. That would be cool.

[MuhollandDriver]

Although I rather see Sam as leader, I can accept Dani taking the position but only if done well. If Sam is written to be less capable than Dani resulting in her taking over the position, I am leaving.

Sam may have started out as second in command or less confident but his consistent field experience in New Mutants (he stayed till the end) to X-Force (he kept the team alive through some seriously insane stuff) to X-Treme X-Men (he sort of took control of the Bishop rescue mission towards the end leading even Gambit and Rogue and others) has made his leadership skills better than most. Plus he had the training of 3 masters and even Scott maybe.

No disrespect to Dani but like I said if Dani is leading and not Sam, there better be a really good reason for it. At least if they are co-leading, it could be due to them being such close friends and prefering it like that. That would be cool.

Can't the reverse be said for Dani?

[yanapryde]

Although I rather see Sam as leader, I can accept Dani taking the position but only if done well. If Sam is written to be less capable than Dani resulting in her taking over the position, I am leaving.

Sam may have started out as second in command or less confident but his consistent field experience in New Mutants (he stayed till the end) to X-Force (he kept the team alive through some seriously insane stuff) to X-Treme X-Men (he sort of took control of the Bishop rescue mission towards the end leading even Gambit and Rogue and others) has made his leadership skills better than most. Plus he had the training of 3 masters and even Scott maybe.

No disrespect to Dani but like I said if Dani is leading and not Sam, there better be a really good reason for it. At least if they are co-leading, it could be due to them being such close friends and prefering it like that. That would be cool.


I have a feeling some of the 'issues' that Dani will be dealing with, will include finding her place/voice on the team. Being of use. And being the leader would probably be something she might have her sights on.
Seeing as how she is a fully capable woman, but no longer a mutant, she would probably gravitate toward, or WANT to solidify her place on the team by acting as leader. And Dani has always proven she doesn't have a problem with instructing those around her.

[the Hornet]

Can't the reverse be said for Dani?


I don't think so. Honestly, nothing against Dani. Although they started together and she may have been the better leader initially, Sam has surpased her with his experience. Dani has had some bad luck, leaving the team, mixing with the MLF/Shield and then coming back under Siryn's and Sam's lead in X-Force. She would be a good second in command at this point and a great co-lead.

[jarrod]

Magik and Warlock are invulnerable to telepathy, and all you have to do is teleport the X-Men to Limbo and BAM! instant No-Men.
Pixie does pretty well in Limbo actually. Storm did too.

Storm's the Muties biggest threat. If the Muties managed to take her out early on, I think they could win probably.

[MuhollandDriver]

Dani should lead.

i wanna see Sam in a male-groupie outfit, belly button exposed, grabbing the leg of Lila Cheney in a fury of submission as she rocks out on her guitar.

Say what You want about Claremont..the man loved to play with gender roles.

[the Hornet]

Dani should lead.

i wanna see Sam in a male-groupie outfit, belly button exposed, grabbing the leg of Lila Cheney in a fury of submission as she rocks out on her guitar.

Say what You want about Claremont..the man loved to play with gender roles.

Like I said, if Dani leads and there is a good reason for it, fine. Maybe since she has no powers it is the best use for her while Sam can concentrate on the field work.

But your second paragraph? Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll..........

And Claremont is stillmy favorite writer, but these kids grew up, can't ignore continuity.

In fact, while it is nice to see Sam and Berto together again, I hope the writers don't forget the Berto and Tabitha had a small thing going on when Sam was in the X-Men (but Sam and Tab were still officially going out). Things like that can be forgiven but not forgotten, particurly when best friends are concerned. It would be interesting to see how the two talk about that or don't.......

[Dagger]

Pixie does pretty well in Limbo actually. Storm did too.

Storm's the Muties biggest threat. If the Muties managed to take her out early on, I think they could win probably.
She does well, but Yana has absolute control over it...or doesn't she? I don't remember if Witchfire banished her from Limbo. And Storm did, but that was her GILF magical moments. She doesn't have any sorcerous training over there. But you're right! If Dani had her powers back, she could totally freak Storm the eff out with her claustrophobia. Does she still have that? God, I wish Fraction and Ellis would focus on characterization and continuity in their stories.

[Dagger]

Dani should lead.

i wanna see Sam in a male-groupie outfit, belly button exposed, grabbing the leg of Lila Cheney in a fury of submission as she rocks out on her guitar.

Say what You want about Claremont..the man loved to play with gender roles.
I liked this, until you brought up Lila Cheney.
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/i-barfd.jpg

[4sake]

She does well, but Yana has absolute control over it...or doesn't she? I don't remember if Witchfire banished her from Limbo. And Storm did, but that was her GILF magical moments. She doesn't have any sorcerous training over there. But you're right! If Dani had her powers back, she could totally freak Storm the eff out with her claustrophobia. Does she still have that? God, I wish Fraction and Ellis would focus on characterization and continuity in their stories.

I think Strom go over that fear (claustrophobia) during Bru run on Uncanny. so at this point I'd say no she does it.

[mikekerr3]

I get that you are a fan of the NM, but you're getting ridiculous.

Did you read The recent Nova with Warlock? He's an Adult now, He's a mega-brick even by cosmic scales., a world wrecker.

In the MA he was not nearly at his adult potential.

[mikekerr3]

Probably not Illyana though. Her mind is so messed up that the backlash might hurt Emma. Plus, the whole 99% no soul thing would sting her like a bitch. :) Emma would also have a problem with Warlock. Even Xavier couldn't fully read or access him since his mind wasn't like anything human.

Yep Illyana mind is not someplace to venture easily, her Normal opponment make Emma seem like a sainlty if, feeble-minded child. Emma's not all that big a threat to some who can stand against the like of Belasco or Mephisto.

Ans the Idfea that Emma could take out An adult Techarche is a bit extreme.

[Ratwedge]

Did you read The recent Nova with Warlock? He's an Adult now, He's a mega-brick even by cosmic scales., a world wrecker.

In the MA he was not nearly at his adult potential.


Warlock is not Mega-Brick by any scales. Nova is mega-brick, Silver Surfer is a mega-brick and Gladaitor is a mega-brick.

For him to be at his full adult potential he would have to consume planets upon planets of 'glow', something which he refuses to do. Warlock is decently powered but not enough to make up for Dani's shortcomings. At least the New X-Men resident depowered Mutant is worth keeping around.

[sunofdarkchild]

Yep Illyana mind is not someplace to venture easily, her Normal opponment make Emma seem like a sainlty if, feeble-minded child. Emma's not all that big a threat to some who can stand against the like of Belasco or Mephisto.

Ans the Idfea that Emma could take out An adult Techarche is a bit extreme.

The only one to ever try to enter Illyana's mind was lucky to escape with her life, and that was when Illyana was a powerless six year old. It would be far more difficult and dangerous now. You'd probably have better odds trying to fight Illyana in Limbo than in her head.

Warlock, even without being an adult technarch, is still a match for many X-Men all on his lonesome. He would be unaffected by Cyclops' optic blasts and storm would only recharge him if she attacked him with lightning. If he's smart about his shape changeing ability he could concievably defeat all of the X-Men.

[Jack Flash]

When did this become a rumbles thread?

[Home made ectoplasm]

This comic also got me breaking my "no more single issues" rule. It was a 9/10 for me, Zeb has a good grasp of the characters. Best bit was the Magma / Magik scene in the plane.

Now bring back the Hellions please!

[DaUltimateSheild]

it sucked

its a real step back wards for cannon ball he was finally a real X men now hes back on the D-Team

also i want new characters, they have repackaged this same set of characters so many times its the same old shit

[MuhollandDriver]

Sam as leader.......Cyclops....general maleness!

It's all a matter of taste.

What blew me away the most with much of Claremont's run was how he was indifferent to the gender roles and functions of superheroes.

My young homoseshual self dug it :)

New Mutants had more female than male members. How often does that happen..even today. These days....a team might have one or two token members...and they often resemble a tit in a glass slipper.

These days...the X-Men feels like more of a sausage fest. Yes....Fraction is trying to do something about it...i'm not sure he knows how.

So of course..we get a scene with Cannonball and Cyclops doing what Alpha and Beta Males do.

These sorts of plots sells many comics...i am not judging it...it just isn't my taste at all.

In the original run...i loved how Dani was the intense leader while Sam was more the emotional heart of the team. He nurtured everyone. It was quite refreshing.

As for Roberto and Sam's friendship....we have enough bromances going on. When is the last time two lasses were shown as friends?

Wow....when was it really? When Kitty is saved...Illyana better have something to do with it.

So yeah....give me my mother hen Sam in a ripped concert T grabbing some rock bitch's leg. He can be that and the fearless soldier that others prefer.

Roberto and Sam, under Claremont, were faux lesbian lovers.

They are the Wendy and Lisa to Magik's Prince.

zowbadabingdoda!

[cookepuss]

They are the Wendy and Lisa to Magik's Prince.
I guess that makes the the Mutant Revolution, huh. :wink: Gotta love a good 80s ref. :cool:

Roberto and Sam, under Claremont, were faux lesbian lovers.
Now I'm thinking about JD & Turk from "Scrubs". :tongue:

[MuhollandDriver]

Well thank You, cookepuss.

Dagger.....put any female rockstar You want in there....screw that intergalactic smear if You want. Clean up the chunkies while You're at it.

[Yearning4Yorick]

I really hope the New X-Men have almost no role in this book.

[The Lucky One]

What New Mutants? They are X-men, the NM name is just for the book. lalalalalala

Who... cares? :confused: I'm not trying to be rude, but it doesn't matter. These days the X-Men title gets passed around like a drunk sorority girl at a college party. Not to get all old, but back in the day becoming an X-Man wasn't easy to do. Kitty had to fight like hell and prove her fighting skills before Xavier would let her rejoin the team. The New Mutants only became the X-Men when the original team had been incapacitated, and then it was A Big Deal. Nowadays they make you an X-Man if you show up at the front door in a costume, or they feel sorry for you, or you're 15 and able to teleport, or your friends just got blown up on a bus, or your name starts with an "S." They give the title out to people like candy, it has no meaning anymore. You're an X-Man? Good, so's every other mutant who lives in San Francisco, regardless of age, experience, or combat readiness. Join the very, very large club.

That's why it kills me that people are still complaining about Sam's big "step back." Step back? Have you seen the team he left lately? In the last ten years they've fostered a hooker with no combat experience, at least three people who wanted to kill them all (Sabretooth, Lady M, Xorneto), and a 15-year-old who they treat like a Greyhound bus. Oh, and Maggott. This is the crack squad you're so disappointed to see Sam stepping back from? I'm mostly joking because I liked some of those stories (well, Carey's), but c'mon... the X-Men name hasn't meant much for a long, long time now. If I were Sam I'd be pissed that they made such a big deal over promoting me to the team, and now all you need to do is get stranded on an alien world with them.

So sure, Sam and Co. are X-Men, just like every other character vaguely affiliated with Cyclops or Xavier. But who are they? They're the New Mutants, man. Don't wear it out. :wink:

-D

[the Hornet]

Who... cares? :confused: I'm not trying to be rude, but it doesn't matter. These days the X-Men title gets passed around like a drunk sorority girl at a college party. Not to get all old, but back in the day becoming an X-Man wasn't easy to do. Kitty had to fight like hell and prove her fighting skills before Xavier would let her rejoin the team. The New Mutants only became the X-Men when the original team had been incapacitated, and then it was A Big Deal. Nowadays they make you an X-Man if you show up at the front door in a costume, or they feel sorry for you, or you're 15 and able to teleport, or your friends just got blown up on a bus, or your name starts with an "S." They give the title out to people like candy, it has no meaning anymore. You're an X-Man? Good, so's every other mutant who lives in San Francisco, regardless of age, experience, or combat readiness. Join the very, very large club.

That's why it kills me that people are still complaining about Sam's big "step back." Step back? Have you seen the team he left lately? In the last ten years they've fostered a hooker with no combat experience, at least three people who wanted to kill them all (Sabretooth, Lady M, Xorneto), and a 15-year-old who they treat like a Greyhound bus. Oh, and Maggott. This is the crack squad you're so disappointed to see Sam stepping back from? I'm mostly joking because I liked some of those stories (well, Carey's), but c'mon... the X-Men name hasn't meant much for a long, long time now. If I were Sam I'd be pissed that they made such a big deal over promoting me to the team, and now all you need to do is get stranded on an alien world with them.

So sure, Sam and Co. are X-Men, just like every other character vaguely affiliated with Cyclops or Xavier. But who are they? They're the New Mutants, man. Don't wear it out. :wink:

-D

Agreed! They are X-Men. they are part of the overall large X-Men group that exists now but are sort of like in their own squad that pulls away to do specific stuff like the X-Club and X-Force. At least, until they start refering to themselves as a separate team that has junior priorities and all, then I am going to start ranting again.......

However, I don't consider X-Factor or the Starjammers to really be part of the X-Men, they are more of a separate setup with ties to the X-Men, particularly since they don't operate under Scott.

[cookepuss]

However, I don't consider X-Factor or the Starjammers to really be part of the X-Men, they are more of a separate setup with ties to the X-Men, particularly since they don't operate under Scott.
Yeah, but many of them have been X-Men at one point or another so the distinction becomes a little muddied. They may be operating on the outskirts of mutantdom, but they'd still rush to Scott's call. I think that the moment they slap the X on their costumes or accessories they affiliate themselves with Xavier's dream. That's more important than anything as superficial as a team name. They're basically working toward the same dream goals.

I also DO think that the X-Men name has lost its special appeal. When Deadpool himself keeps on insisting he's their unofficial "fifth Beatle" sort of member you just know that their standards have relaxed a bit.

I think that the problem stems from the mutant boom of the 90s and the fact that Xavier and Magneto have ceased to be central figures in the books. Even with Xavier's wild romp through memory land in Legacy, he feels very disconnected with the mutant community.

Scott's doing a crappy job keeping the dream alive. In fact, the exploits of his murderous X-Force squad are bound to come up and bite him in the ass eventually. That will only hurt Xavier's dream of peaceful coexistence. Scott's quietly becoming another Magneto and nobody's noticing it yet. Tack on Emma's deal with Norman Osborn and the whole dream has become perverted.

Anybody can slap on the X nowadays because there are just no standards. When the X-Men have a whole team of killers you know the value of the X is in the toilet. The line between good and evil has been destroyed. Characters who might have otherwise been labeled as Brotherhood, Acolytes, Freedom Force, or MLF get to wear the X just because of the whole endangered species thing.

Nice to see some unity among mutants, but somebody's clearly peeing in the gene pool. Marvel's X-Editorial and writers need to draw some very clear lines again.

My biggest problem? Most of the pointless fights are starting to remind me of DC's Kingdom Come - where superhumans were fighting each other mostly to stave off boredom. The truest ideas of good and evil in that limited were things of the older generation. Everybody else in the current generation of superhumans was just playing a dangerous game of cops & robbers. That's the biggest problem in the X-books. The heart is mostly gone. There's no balance between light and dark because everybody's gray. You can't necessarily root for a good guy because he may be as messed up as the bad guy.

I think that's what I like about New Mutants. Except for Magik, who has been one gray area since day one, everybody on the team is clearly a white hat wearing good guy. There's no real blurry line anymore, especially since it looks like they've dumped Roberto's connection to the (now defunct?) Hellfire Club.

[Prodigy55]

I really hope the New X-Men have almost no role in this book.

I agree with this. I like the NXM more, but I don't want some big "omg look at all the cameos" book.

If it's a New Mutants book, it should be JUST the New Mutants.

[Hakael]

I agree with this. I like the NXM more, but I don't want some big "omg look at all the cameos" book.

If it's a New Mutants book, it should be JUST the New Mutants.

I'm in entire agreement... I liked the rationale for them separating the two (Berto being bored as a mentor, NXM hating Magik). This is New Mutants, the book deserves to be theirs with the occasional cameo of others (they are still an X-team afterall)... New X-Men need a title to call their own, or to be completely assimilated into other books instead of the random panel appearances and one-liner cameos.

[steve2275]

a peter rasputin cameo woulda been nice
(and sam mentioning him doesnt count)
at least in the medical xamination page it woulda been nice

[cookepuss]

New X-Men need a title to call their own, or to be completely assimilated into other books instead of the random panel appearances and one-liner cameos

I vote for another exploding bus. :evilangry: :biggrin:

Seriously though, I like some of the characters and stories that came out the latest generation of teen characters. However, the bulk of their generation has been one wasted effort after another.

New Mutants v2
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New X-Men: Academy X
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New X-Men
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Young X-Men

Relabeling after relabeling, it has been one big abortion. One stumble after another. There's a lack of any clear identity.

DeFilippis & Weir built up a nice stable of characters in New Mutants v2, but there were too many of them build them properly. Then the concept shifted from school stuff to squads, an attempt to breed conflict. Unfortunately, DeFilippis & Weir couldn't write action too well. The fights ended too quickly and unceremoniously. Tack that onto an ever rotating set of artists and the New Mutants v2 title fell flat. Don't even get me started on the mischaracterization of Wolfsbane, her student teacher affair, and loss of the classic accent. Abysmal. The biggest highlight was issue #13, featuring the original NM reuniting.

Then it became New X-Men: Academy X which morphed into just New X-Men. It was kinda shameless actually. Marvel stole the title that made Morrison's run so famous, as if to cash in on the value of the name. Unfortunately, DeFilippis & Weir stayed pretty much on the same misguided and unfocused path until issue #16 when House of M hit. Those issues, #16-#19 were mediocre, with the highlight being the quasi-return of Magik.

It wasn't until #20 when Kyle & Yost came on to shake things up. That's 36 issues, including the Hellions LS, to really get started. 3 years mostly wasted by shallow characterization and lackluster battles. After #20, Kyle & Yost kicked butt for most of their remaining 26 issues. Why? They upped the action, made no character safe, and pared down the massive team roster so that there were fewer characters that could be developed better. Oh, yeah. They brought back Magik.... a REAL New Mutant. No surprise that the series peaked there.

Young X-Men rolls around and simply destroys the high octane, high character development momentum of K&Y's run. To put it bluntly, that book sucked.... HARD.

75 issues across 5 labels, including the LS. Only 1/3 of them were worth the paper they were printed on. All of that progress destroyed by 12 issues of Young X-Men.

It's hard to love the New X-Men cast when they've been the victims of really bad editorial mandates, creative shifts, and just plain uneven/weak storytelling.

With the original V1 New Mutants, I'd have to say that just about all of Claremont's 56 consecutive issue run was classic.

Demon Bear. Legion. Starjammers. Nova Roma. The Hellions. Time Travel. The Hellfire Club. The Avengers. The Asgard Adventures

All of it gold.

The back end 44 issues were weaker, thanks to the inclusion of the X-Terminators and Claremont passing the torch to Simonson. However, they still produced classics like Inferno, Fall of the Mutants, X-Tinction Agenda, and some nifty annuals and bonus issues.

The New X-Men, Young X-Men, or New Mutants V2..... whatever they want to call themselves.... Their batting average was much lower in a similar period of time. Far fewer classic stories across their combined 75 issues. Far, far, FAR less characterization overall. All of those issues and I still feel as if we never got to know them.

So, yeah. I kinda hope another exploding bus rolls their way or a Sentinel "accidentally" steps on them. I'd miss them for about 15 minutes, but I'd move on.


(BTW: Today has been a super slow day for me. Not much work to do. Hence my many, many posts. LOL )

[DaUltimateSheild]

^ What have the new Mutants done since then to make people care about them?

nothing

this new book is just marvel trying to cash in on Nostalgia, i doubt it will make it to the next big Event

[Maestro]

the New X-Men should definately have a small role. they should all be getting tips from their superiors! teaching them how to really be X-Men. and Illyana is still young enough to connect and become BFFs with Dust, Laura, etc

[Tobias March]

Don't even get me started on the mischaracterization of Wolfsbane, her student teacher affair, and loss of the classic accent. Abysmal. The biggest highlight was issue #13, featuring the original NM reuniting.

Man her Claremontian 'Scots', accent is bloody appalling. Irvine Welshe's writes phonetically, that should be a resource....not to mention Alexander Trocchi.

In fairness to CC at least he wrote 'bleedin' and not 'bleatin', unlike Lobdell.

Grrr.

:rolleyes:

[cookepuss]

Man her Claremontian 'Scots', accent is bloody appalling.
True. True. At least it was consistently appalling. LOL In Vol2, she was unrecognizable without the accent. Granted, characters are supposed to evolve. Accents disappear over time. Without it, something about her just felt "off". It'd be like Beast without the occasional "star & garters" or Luke Cage and a "sweet christmas". Cheesy stuff, but they're hallmarks.

teaching them how to really be X-Men. and Illyana is still young enough to connect and become BFFs with Dust, Laura, etc
In the Dark Reign & post-Decimation world, the X-Men don't care too much about students. The school is toast. No such thing as Xavier's institute nowadays. As far as anybody's concerned, the kids will be highschool drop outs forever. Why they hang around "on the reservation" is still a bit of a mystery.

^ What have the new Mutants done since then to make people care about them?
As a team? Zilch. Not since 2001.

As individuals, they've been spread out everywhere from the core X-books to Avengers Initiative to New/Young X-Men. Forget that Dani & Berto were that team's field leaders? I think that Amara and Dani also popped up in the 198 limited series. A couple of other NMs had background roles in Morrison's run too. Currently, Sam & Berto have got a set of backup stories running in Astonishing Tales. Out of continuity Mojoworld insanity, but still.... funny stuff if nothing else. Before that, circa 2001 and earlier, a handful of them existed as X-Force.

X-Force was as much a retitling of New Mutants Vol.1 as New X-Men was of New Mutants Vol.2. Same cast & creators. Just a change in title/numbering. (Liefeld influenced story as much as Simonson & Nicieza both titles.)

Other books have been as guilty. Wolverine and his most recent, pointless renumbering being a great example. Like I said, the New Mutant characters never disappeared from the scene. Their story itself was pretty much seemless from 1982 to 2001. 215 issues (w/o annuals and specials.)

Whatever name they were using, as full team, they've only been off the scene for a few years. As individuals or in different X-titles, they've never stopped appearing.

All jokes aside, I hope the New X-Men characters don't disappear. I just think that there's not much place for them anymore. Apart from Pixie & X-23, they easily stand a big chance of falling into character limbo. Unless the 3rd act of the Messiah storyline brings them back into the spotlight. Not sure how likely that is, given that they've got no book or any decent profile. Young X-Men as a title was a big kick in the groin for those characters.

this new book is just marvel trying to cash in on Nostalgia,
The more things change the more they stay the same. Marvel has been running that game for decades. Sometimes to great effect. Sometimes with pathetic results. Readers are a fickle bunch. Marvel can't always predict which revival will pan out.

i doubt it will make it to the next big Event
The same can be said for ANY book, especially in this market. No more room for write-in campaigns to save a book, as was done many times with Spider-Girl. Most new books don't make it past 2 years. If a new book makes past 25 issue it's a fairly big thing. Past 50 issues and there's something special. Past 100 issues and Bendis is probably writing it. Past that and it's not a Marvel book. LOL

There's nothing certain in life other than death & taxes. And even Wesley Snipes almost dodged the latter. =)


I'm off to bed now. Work in 4 hours.

[RickyD410]

FINALLY got my copy today. I dunno how I feel about it really... I'm not big on the art yet, but I may warm up to it. It kinda sucks that the only New Mutant we didnt see at all was Dani, and she's my favorite! A few things:

-I didnt know Empath was blind. Interesting. But the last time I saw Magma and Manuel interact was the 198. And didnt she kinda hate him there?
-I havent seen much of Amara, but every time I have, she's kinda been, well, a bit of a bitch. And here she just seems very insecure. What has she been like traditionally?
-The Cyclops seen. Everyone here seems to have loved it. But I thought it made Cannonball look really lame. I love Cannonball as an X-Man. He was BADASS under Carey. He was a leader, and he knew how to rock. But in this scene, he seems very young and insecure again. I thought the "sir" was good once or twice. But at the end of every sentence? It just made Sam look like he was scared of Scott. And that shouldnt be at all. Yes, Cyke is the leader, but Sam is every bit an X-Man as Beast, Nightcrawler, or Wolverine. Why was he stuttering and surprised that Cyke approved his request? I was happy however, that Scott said what I knew.
-I love the costumes. I think they're great.
-How old is Illyana supposed to be here? I cant really tell. She looks like she's the same age as the New Mutants, but she really should be the same age as the New X-Men, right?
-OK, the only Magik that I've seen has been in New X-Men, House of M, and X-Infernus. Is she ALWAYS a sick and twisted bitch? Cus thats definitely how she comes across here. Why is she torturing Magma? I thought they were friends and teammates. And Magma seemed really concerned for Illyana when she was in the medicbay.
-I dont understand some of Illyana's powers. How does she just... know certain thigns? How did she know Marci was the key? And how did she know to storm into the house, and look for the fireplace? Also, her stepping discs. I know they teleport, but I guess they also time travel as well?

I guess thats everything. I do want to see where this is going, but I really wanna see some Dani Moonstar action!

[DrDoom616]

What's the deal with people slamming a book on it's release???

lol

This book is way better than a few i can mention, o well, you can't please everyone I suppose

[RickyD410]

What's the deal with people slamming a book on it's release???

lol

This book is way better than a few i can mention, o well, you can't please everyone I suppose

I wasnt trying to slam it, really! I just wanted to talk about it. I dont have the nostalgia factor that many people are enjoying, since I never read the original New Mutants series. And I dont understand a lot of the characters traits and powers and stuff.

[Jack Flash]

FINALLY got my copy today. I dunno how I feel about it really... I'm not big on the art yet, but I may warm up to it. It kinda sucks that the only New Mutant we didnt see at all was Dani, and she's my favorite! A few things:

-I didnt know Empath was blind. Interesting. But the last time I saw Magma and Manuel interact was the 198. And didnt she kinda hate him there?
-I havent seen much of Amara, but every time I have, she's kinda been, well, a bit of a bitch. And here she just seems very insecure. What has she been like traditionally?
-The Cyclops seen. Everyone here seems to have loved it. But I thought it made Cannonball look really lame. I love Cannonball as an X-Man. He was BADASS under Carey. He was a leader, and he knew how to rock. But in this scene, he seems very young and insecure again. I thought the "sir" was good once or twice. But at the end of every sentence? It just made Sam look like he was scared of Scott. And that shouldnt be at all. Yes, Cyke is the leader, but Sam is every bit an X-Man as Beast, Nightcrawler, or Wolverine. Why was he stuttering and surprised that Cyke approved his request? I was happy however, that Scott said what I knew.
-I love the costumes. I think they're great.
-How old is Illyana supposed to be here? I cant really tell. She looks like she's the same age as the New Mutants, but she really should be the same age as the New X-Men, right?
-OK, the only Magik that I've seen has been in New X-Men, House of M, and X-Infernus. Is she ALWAYS a sick and twisted bitch? Cus thats definitely how she comes across here. Why is she torturing Magma? I thought they were friends and teammates. And Magma seemed really concerned for Illyana when she was in the medicbay.
-I dont understand some of Illyana's powers. How does she just... know certain thigns? How did she know Marci was the key? And how did she know to storm into the house, and look for the fireplace? Also, her stepping discs. I know they teleport, but I guess they also time travel as well?

I guess thats everything. I do want to see where this is going, but I really wanna see some Dani Moonstar action!

Good questions, I'll try to give my 2 cents answer worth.

I was suprised that Dani didn't appear either. I think it's waiting for a big reveal.

1. Magma and Manuel. There is a thin line between love and hate. Manuel is a bastard. He is manipulative to his core. Did they love each other or did he use his powers to make her feel love toward him? It's the crux of their relationship. It's always been a choice between hot (steamy!) or hot (Scalding!) between them. My gut says that Manuel loves her, just doesn't know how. He's not a bad guy, just drawn that way. Ok, he is a bad guy, but who of us hasn't fallen for the douche bag who's fantastic in the sack at least once?

1b) Amara is a bitch. She's got huge identity issues. Allison Crestmere? She also fell for a emo manipulating mutant. Makes for huge insecurities on top of the other issues she already had. She's a hot head on top of that. And she's hotsville and knows it on top of that. She's also lost another boyfriend in a fricking volcano. LOL. She's also had a penchance for villiany in the past. She's a mess. But a sympathetic mess. She's 2 parts bitch with a pinch of lost girl from the Amazon.

2. Illyana is chronologically about the New X-Men's age. well sort of. her powers are to create step disks to teleport, but they also have a time travelling capability intertwined. Makes for a hard sell to stamp an age on her. It appears that this Illyana is from the future so she may be older. ish. Time Travel is hard! it also explains how she knows a bit about what they are facing.

2b) She was kidnapped at 6 and raised by Belasco and his Demon Nannies. She was twisted and tested in Limbo. Then overthrew the fricking Devil and became ruler of a "hell". At her core she's a sweet innocent farm girl, but she's an onion. There are layers of twisted armor and hooves and hellfire intertwined with her soul and she's a bit evil at times. She's certainly demonic and mischievious at times. "Can they trust her?" Is the core question when it comes to everyone's favorite snowflake. At the end of the day it's always been yes. But she blurs the line between good and cruel on almost every occassion.

[pariah-1972]

FINALLY got my copy today. I dunno how I feel about it really... I'm not big on the art yet, but I may warm up to it. It kinda sucks that the only New Mutant we didnt see at all was Dani, and she's my favorite! A few things:

-I didnt know Empath was blind. Interesting. But the last time I saw Magma and Manuel interact was the 198. And didnt she kinda hate him there?
-I havent seen much of Amara, but every time I have, she's kinda been, well, a bit of a bitch. And here she just seems very insecure. What has she been like traditionally?
-The Cyclops seen. Everyone here seems to have loved it. But I thought it made Cannonball look really lame. I love Cannonball as an X-Man. He was BADASS under Carey. He was a leader, and he knew how to rock. But in this scene, he seems very young and insecure again. I thought the "sir" was good once or twice. But at the end of every sentence? It just made Sam look like he was scared of Scott. And that shouldnt be at all. Yes, Cyke is the leader, but Sam is every bit an X-Man as Beast, Nightcrawler, or Wolverine. Why was he stuttering and surprised that Cyke approved his request? I was happy however, that Scott said what I knew.
-I love the costumes. I think they're great.
-How old is Illyana supposed to be here? I cant really tell. She looks like she's the same age as the New Mutants, but she really should be the same age as the New X-Men, right?
-OK, the only Magik that I've seen has been in New X-Men, House of M, and X-Infernus. Is she ALWAYS a sick and twisted bitch? Cus thats definitely how she comes across here. Why is she torturing Magma? I thought they were friends and teammates. And Magma seemed really concerned for Illyana when she was in the medicbay.
-I dont understand some of Illyana's powers. How does she just... know certain thigns? How did she know Marci was the key? And how did she know to storm into the house, and look for the fireplace? Also, her stepping discs. I know they teleport, but I guess they also time travel as well?

I guess thats everything. I do want to see where this is going, but I really wanna see some Dani Moonstar action!Her and Empath have a really dysfunctional relationship but it is a little weird to see her taking care of him.
2.Amara has always been a bit insecure at least when her powers came out but shes also a bit of the spioled princess in some ways.
3.Sam is always endearingly polite to his superiors because hes from the south and stuff.
4.I haven't seen Magik since House of M and even then i don't remember much of it and no she hasn't always been a "sick twisted bitch" but she has gone thru a lot of literal personal hell being Belasco's pet and then ruling Limbo and that evil influence seems to just be in her blood now no matter what.

5. she probably knows things cause she just came back from the future where all that stuff had already happened and turned out badly and she decided to come back to our present and try to fix things.

6. yes she can teleport to limbo and from there anywhere in time and space but she doesn't always have control about where she is going.

[RickyD410]

Interesting. Thanks for the details guys!