New Mutants #1 Spoilers and Review!!

[adeathinthefamily]

Bobby and Illyana need to hook up in this.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I think this issue did good everyone is reporting sold out issues and i hear it's going back for a second printing and with all the various covers not to mention the previews that were in all the books.

Sell-outs are a bit of a fake news story in comics. The original printing is based on what the retailers order, with only a little overprint. So yes, the book looks to be selling better than retailers were gambling it would and they reordered--but that doesn't tell us anything about the original numbers.

Don't get me wrong, I have the highest of hopes, and the sell-outs and positive reviews will probably help limit the second issue drop-off, but we just don't know enough yet to declare New Mutants a sales hit.

[pariah-1972]

Sell-outs are a bit of a fake news story in comics. The original printing is based on what the retailers order, with only a little overprint. So yes, the book looks to be selling better than retailers were gambling it would and they reordered--but that doesn't tell us anything about the original numbers.

Don't get me wrong, I have the highest of hopes, and the sell-outs and positive reviews will probably help limit the second issue drop-off, but we just don't know enough yet to declare New Mutants a sales hit.I have faith Marvel did a good job promoting this.


And just looking at this thread there was a lot of people who are nostalgiac for the old group to get together again.

[Dagger]

I have faith Marvel did a good job promoting this.


And just looking at this thread there was a lot of people who are nostalgiac for the old group to get together again.
But that's the thing. They really didn't do a good job promoting it. Not in my opinion, anyway. They promoted more Wolverine books than anything.

[pariah-1972]

But that's the thing. They really didn't do a good job promoting it. Not in my opinion, anyway. They promoted more Wolverine books than anything.Wolverine doesn't need no stinkin promotion:wink:

And that preview that was in the back of the books? it got a lot of people talking on here and buzzing.

[MuhollandDriver]

i saw an ad for this in many of the books i bought. i think it was promoted quite well.

[The Black Guardian]

I'm really not sure what else they could have done to promote this. Lots of ads. Lots of articles. 4 covers.

[pariah-1972]

I'm really not sure what else they could have done to promote this. Lots of ads. Lots of articles. 4 covers.Maybe people were expecting a billboard in Times Square?

[xmanfan527]

Wow! I just read this book last night (i know im late), and i really enjoyed it. This was my 1st Magik xperince since new xmen and now shes one of my favorite characters. but yea loved it and give it 2 thumbs up.

[yanapryde]

Wow! I just read this book last night (i know im late), and i really enjoyed it. This was my 1st Magik xperince since new xmen and now shes one of my favorite characters. but yea loved it and give it 2 thumbs up.

YAY FOR MAGIK FANS NEW AND OLD!!
I realize I'm utterly premature on this but I am already freaking out about what the 2nd arc will be!! I'm just itching to know!

I'm also really impressed with how often people are posting in this thread! I haven't been this excited about a thread in a long time.

[pariah-1972]

I'm glad that we have a X-men book that is really great for once instead of merely ok.

Whoever's idea this was as far as the creative team deserves a big pat on the back.

[yanapryde]

I'm glad that we have a X-men book that is really great for once instead of merely ok.

Quoted for TRUTH!:smile:

[MuhollandDriver]

Being excited about more than just X-Force is a good feeling.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Being excited about more than just X-Force is a good feeling.

Is it not just?....:biggrin:

[sunofdarkchild]

YAY FOR MAGIK FANS NEW AND OLD!!
I realize I'm utterly premature on this but I am already freaking out about what the 2nd arc will be!! I'm just itching to know!

I'm also really impressed with how often people are posting in this thread! I haven't been this excited about a thread in a long time.

Speaking of which: how long has your thread been dormant now?

[Maestro]

Being excited about more than just X-Force is a good feeling.

you heathen. There is Wolverine: Weapon X to drool over!!

[yanapryde]

Speaking of which: how long has your thread been dormant now?

wow.
THANKS sunofadarkchild.
NICE.:mad:

[RickyD410]

Speaking of which: how long has your thread been dormant now?

Erm, uncalled for much? yanapryde, which thread is it? I'll go post in it now!

[defcityla]

New Mutants and Exiles really surprised me. Might have to add these to my pull-list.

I hope Marvel doesn't increase the price to $4 though :rolleyes:

[RickyD410]

New Mutants and Exiles really surprised me. Might have to add these to my pull-list.

I hope Marvel doesn't increase the price to $4 though :rolleyes:

I want to add both to my pull list too, but funds are soooo short right now. I hafta drop Uncanny when it goes to $4...

Welcome to the boards by the way.

[pariah-1972]

wow.
THANKS sunofadarkchild.
NICE.:mad:don't let the haters get you down Yana !

[yanapryde]

Erm, uncalled for much? yanapryde, which thread is it? I'll go post in it now!

Thanks RickyD410. I made an Illyana/Magik appreciate thread.
It died shortly after X-Infernus. No big deal. Hadn't even really given it much thought until its utter failure was so pleasantly reminded for me.

Ah well.:smile:

[defcityla]

I want to add both to my pull list too, but funds are soooo short right now. I hafta drop Uncanny when it goes to $4...

Welcome to the boards by the way.
Thanks! :smile:

I know what you mean by funds being limited. I had to cut down on some Independents to keep my Marvel & DC titles.

[yanapryde]

New Mutants and Exiles really surprised me. Might have to add these to my pull-list.

I hope Marvel doesn't increase the price to $4 though :rolleyes:

I too was surprised by my enjoyment of Exiles. The art is very nice and the story was excellent. I've added it to my list of preferred reading.:smile:

[Scavenger]

I'm glad that we have a X-men book that is really great for once instead of merely ok.
.

Not to be a downer...but so far it's just a very good first issue.

I mean, next issue might have Legion reveal himself to be Obnoxio the Clown, working for Norman Osborne's Cabal who's actual a pawn of Porn Face Pixie.

[MuhollandDriver]

you heathen. There is Wolverine: Weapon X to drool over!!

Being excited about more than just X-Force is a good feeling.

[yanapryde]

Being excited about more than just X-Force is a good feeling.

ha ha ha ha. wow.

[RickyD410]

Not to be a downer...but so far it's just a very good first issue.

I mean, next issue might have Legion reveal himself to be Obnoxio the Clown, working for Norman Osborne's Cabal who's actual a pawn of Porn Face Pixie.

Dude, youre supposed to use spoiler tags when talking about that stuff! Now I know the whole story...

Anyhoo, I'm going to wait until after the first arc is finished to decide how I feel about the team overall. I never read the original series, but I definitely enjoyed this issue. I really want Dani and Karma to get some action though.

[darknessatnoon]

I don't want to read this whole thread because of many of the people posting in it. Nevertheless, I wanted to suggest that the arrows at the beginning were from Dani. If she died in the future, it's likely she becomes a Valkrie again with those magical super arrows.

[yanapryde]

I don't want to read this whole thread because of many of the people posting in it. Nevertheless, I wanted to suggest that the arrows at the beginning were from Dani. If she died in the future, it's likely she becomes a Valkrie again with those magical super arrows.

neat d@n.
super neat.

[The Lucky One]

Being excited about more than just X-Force is a good feeling.

No no, X-Factor is still being published. They have new issues and everything. :smile:

I really want Dani and Karma to get some action though.

Well, Mystique's not doing anything, and Jimmy can certainly do better than Mam'selle Hepzibah...

-D

[Dagger]

No no, X-Factor is still being published. They have new issues and everything. :smile: -D
X-Factor hasn't been exciting in months.

[RickyD410]

No no, X-Factor is still being published. They have new issues and everything. :smile:
<3 X-Factor. I'm loving it right now. I cant wait for Thursday.
Well, Mystique's not doing anything, and Jimmy can certainly do better than Mam'selle Hepzibah...

-D
Not exactly what I meant, but ok! I approve of Dani and Warpath. I wonder if Agent Pierce will get mentioned at all.

[yanapryde]

I really want Dani and Karma to get some action though.

Yes.
Given the circumstances around Karma's character currently though, I feel as if she'll be restricted to 'mental confinement' and her body will remain catatonic (?) for most of the arc (?):frown:

I'm itching to know where Dani is though.

[RickyD410]

Yes.
Given the circumstances around Karma's character currently though, I feel as if she'll be restricted to 'mental confinement' and her body will remain catatonic (?) for most of the arc (?):frown:

I'm itching to know where Dani is though.

I dont know Legion very well. Is it Shan's powers that trapped her in there, or is it something about Legion's powers?

Hopefully we'll find out where Dani is in the next ish. Cus supposedly, #3 is all about her. So we'll need some lead up to that in #2.

[sunofdarkchild]

wow.
THANKS sunofadarkchild.
NICE.:mad:

Sorry. Didn't mean to sound rude. Just wanted to get you and thereby other people posting on it again, but it was badly phrased. My very bad. It was my 'main posting' thread until last week, only afterwards did I begin posting in threads like this one. I felt unloved when my post was the last one in a while and wasn't going to post to myself.

I'm saying post a lot; it makes me want cereal.

Are we still friends?

[MuhollandDriver]

I don't want to read this whole thread because of many of the people posting in it. Nevertheless, I wanted to suggest that the arrows at the beginning were from Dani. If she died in the future, it's likely she becomes a Valkrie again with those magical super arrows.

You never send me rainbows anymore. i saw a photo of a woman that resembled Sage and i thought of You.

[SayOcean]

Yes.
Given the circumstances around Karma's character currently though, I feel as if she'll be restricted to 'mental confinement' and her body will remain catatonic (?) for most of the arc (?):frown:

I'm itching to know where Dani is though.ugh i know....damn it karma do something...im tired of having to defend you......I remember my first experience with karma when the NM were fighting the x babies and karma broke mojo's spell from WOLVERINE....i mean damn she was kicking ass there

[KJ_81]

I really want Dani and Karma to get some action though.


Those 2 really need to scissor.......

[Winghead]

great issue. Sam doesn't talk like Sam though. The Southern dialect isn;t reflected in the writing.

[Mikey Brown]

Pretty good issue. Used to love New Mutants & have been really dign Zeb Wells lately. Hopefully he does a return to Asgard arc & Dani becomes a Valkirie again so shes not totally depowered. Maybe a dirty deal with Loki? I hope Legion redeems himself & joins the team. He was always on the fence regarding his loyaltys because of his split personalities. Legions an awesome character tho. Glad hes back.

[jarrod]

Those 2 really need to scissor.......
Their cunts can kiss, but their hearts belong to Kitty/Rahne.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Thanks RickyD410. I made an Illyana/Magik appreciate thread.
It died shortly after X-Infernus. No big deal. Hadn't even really given it much thought until its utter failure was so pleasantly reminded for me.

Ah well.:smile:

Meh, failed? Most of us Yanafans are New Mutants loyalists and have been posting in the recent New Mutants threads to rub the new series in everyone's faces, er, that is, provide maximum promotion and support.

But much like Illyana herself, appreciation for her will never die (permanently)!

[NielsVanEekelen]

New Mutants and Exiles really surprised me. Might have to add these to my pull-list.

I hope Marvel doesn't increase the price to $4 though :rolleyes:

Lying in the Gutters has a rumour that Marvel is going to produce back-up stories for their $3.99 books. I've actually been thinking that I'd gladly pay extra for, say, short solo tales of the Mutants. (Uncanny could also use back-ups terrifically, to spotlight those... less prominent... cast members.)

[pariah-1972]

Meh, failed? Most of us Yanafans are New Mutants loyalists and have been posting in the recent New Mutants threads to rub the new series in everyone's faces, er, that is, provide maximum promotion and support.

But much like Illyana herself, appreciation for her will never die (permanently)!To be honest until this issue i had forgotten why i liked her so much in the beginning.

[Jack Flash]

No no, X-Factor is still being published. They have new issues and everything. :smile:



LOL. X-Factor has sucked wind in a major downward spiral ever since Layla went to the future and the heart of the book got ripped out. it's crappy crapitude.

[Jack Flash]

The elitist Originalists in this thread have tempered my joy for this book. I think I may switch to trades. It's the only pamphlet comic I was planning on buying regularly anyway.

[Twisted Bliss]

The elitist Originalists in this thread have tempered my joy for this book. I think I may switch to trades. It's the only pamphlet comic I was planning on buying regularly anyway.

You WILL relish and bathe in the Illyana appreciation Society.

You are one of us.

You will love the demonic darkness.

Surrender

[Jack Flash]

You WILL relish and bathe in the Illyana appreciation Society.

You are one of us.

You will love the demonic darkness.

Surrender

Magik is in my top 5 characters of all time. I love that little acidic snowflake.

[spiritdesire]

I liked this first issue a lot, but I really hate how Legion was drawn. I always liked his extreme lankiness (and that at times, even the top of his hair was wider than his body), but in this issue he looked too muscular and rodent-like.

[The Lucky One]

I dont know Legion very well. Is it Shan's powers that trapped her in there, or is it something about Legion's powers?

Indeterminate at this time. Part of it is that Legion himself is a bit of a mystery, particularly now. In the early days, the situation was that he had an immense array of psi-powers, but his original personality of David Haller couldn't access any of them. As a young boy, David lived in Israel and got caught in an Arab terrorist attack; as the first manifestation of his mutant abilities, he killed most of the terrorists and absorbed the mind of their leader, Jemail Karami, into his own. This rendered David catatonic for years and led to him developing multiple personalities, including macho tough guy/total S.O.B. Jack Wayne and rebellious teenage girl Cyndi. Those two personalities plus Jemail struggled for control of David's body for years, while David's own personality got stuck at a mental age of about 9 or 10, even though physically he's the same age as the New Mutants. The end result is that when David is in control of his own body, he has no powers, but when other personalities take over, each of them can access a different power. Jemail controls Legion's telepathy (as strong if not more so than Professor X), Jack Wayne his telekinesis, and Cyndi his pyrokinesis. This sometimes led to situations where David had to let one of his other personalities take over in order to save someone, but then had a hard time putting the genie back in the bottle, so to speak. It was hinted that Legion might have many more powers controlled by other, less dominant personalities that we hadn't met yet.

In the Muir Island Saga circa 1990 or '91, the Shadow King took over Legion, and his eventual defeat plunged David back into a coma. He reawakened in Legion Quest in 1995, having apparently merged all his personalities during his catatonia and now in control of all of his powers, plus time travel. Unfortunately, he was now a dick instead of a naive child, so he went back in time to try to kill Magneto but accidentally killed his own father, setting off the Age of Apocalypse. The end of that led to Legion apparently dying. His three main personalities (Jemail, Jack Wayne, Cyndi) were last seen as disembodied spirits in an issue of Excalibur, where they were convinced to "go towards the light" or something.

That's the last Legion was seen, so it's been over a decade since his last appearance. As you can see, there's some precedence for him absorbing other people's minds into his own. My personal theory is that David is, either intentionally or unconsciously, absorbing the minds of random people like that Marci girl, and while trying to help her, Shan got stuck inside Legion's mind. For now she has control of the body instead of David, but we don't know how long that'll last. But since she was unable to free herself from that box, apparently Shan doesn't have access to any of Legion's powers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Haller

-D

[The Lucky One]

LOL. X-Factor has sucked wind in a major downward spiral ever since Layla went to the future and the heart of the book got ripped out. it's crappy crapitude.

You are as wrong as your avatar of Q-Bert huffing his fix, but this thread is not the time or the place to argue it. Let us all simply agree that the first issue kicked ass, and the fact that it's only been a week since then feels extremely wrong somehow. Marvel needs to establish a new policy where second issues come out two weeks after the first, rather than a month. That way you can tell whether you like a book much sooner.

-D

[Jack Flash]

Indeterminate at this time. Part of it is that Legion himself is a bit of a mystery, particularly now. In the early days, the situation was that he had an immense array of psi-powers, but his original personality of David Haller couldn't access any of them. As a young boy, David lived in Israel and got caught in an Arab terrorist attack; as the first manifestation of his mutant abilities, he killed most of the terrorists and absorbed the mind of their leader, Jemail Karami, into his own. This rendered David catatonic for years and led to him developing multiple personalities, including macho tough guy/total S.O.B. Jack Wayne and rebellious teenage girl Cyndi. Those two personalities plus Jemail struggled for control of David's body for years, while David's own personality got stuck at a mental age of about 9 or 10, even though physically he's the same age as the New Mutants. The end result is that when David is in control of his own body, he has no powers, but when other personalities take over, each of them can access a different power. Jemail controls Legion's telepathy (as strong if not more so than Professor X), Jack Wayne his telekinesis, and Cyndi his pyrokinesis. This sometimes led to situations where David had to let one of his other personalities take over in order to save someone, but then had a hard time putting the genie back in the bottle, so to speak. It was hinted that Legion might have many more powers controlled by other, less dominant personalities that we hadn't met yet.

In the Muir Island Saga circa 1990 or '91, the Shadow King took over Legion, and his eventual defeat plunged David back into a coma. He reawakened in Legion Quest in 1995, having apparently merged all his personalities during his catatonia and now in control of all of his powers, plus time travel. Unfortunately, he was now a dick instead of a naive child, so he went back in time to try to kill Magneto but accidentally killed his own father, setting off the Age of Apocalypse. The end of that led to Legion apparently dying. His three main personalities (Jemail, Jack Wayne, Cyndi) were last seen as disembodied spirits in an issue of Excalibur, where they were convinced to "go towards the light" or something.

That's the last Legion was seen, so it's been over a decade since his last appearance. As you can see, there's some precedence for him absorbing other people's minds into his own. My personal theory is that David is, either intentionally or unconsciously, absorbing the minds of random people like that Marci girl, and while trying to help her, Shan got stuck inside Legion's mind. For now she has control of the body instead of David, but we don't know how long that'll last. But since she was unable to free herself from that box, apparently Shan doesn't have access to any of Legion's powers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Haller

-D

Thanks for that Drew, I had sort of forgotten how freaking great I used to think Legion was.

[jarrod]

Classic images (by the 3 best artists to ever grace the Muties) for fun...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cq-h1RCj4yI/R99b5e5kTCI/AAAAAAAAAW8/bxJo-38Arvk/s400/mutants.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cq-h1RCj4yI/R99b5O5kTBI/AAAAAAAAAW0/lTfd7DO1IJg/s400/New-Mutants.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cq-h1RCj4yI/R993fO5kTHI/AAAAAAAAAXk/s3hRnHjBjC0/s400/SienkiewiczNewMutantsPinup.jpg

[coconutphone]

You misspelled "C-y-p-h-e-r."

-D

LOL Agreed.

[coconutphone]

But that's the thing. They really didn't do a good job promoting it. Not in my opinion, anyway. They promoted more Wolverine books than anything.

What are you crazy? There were ads in every single Marvel book I picked up recently and that's quite a bit.

Hell I think I saw an ad in a DC book.

Well no, not really. That would have been impressive though no?

[RickyD410]

Indeterminate at this time. Part of it is that Legion himself is a bit of a mystery, particularly now. In the early days, the situation was that he had an immense array of psi-powers, but his original personality of David Haller couldn't access any of them. As a young boy, David lived in Israel and got caught in an Arab terrorist attack; as the first manifestation of his mutant abilities, he killed most of the terrorists and absorbed the mind of their leader, Jemail Karami, into his own. This rendered David catatonic for years and led to him developing multiple personalities, including macho tough guy/total S.O.B. Jack Wayne and rebellious teenage girl Cyndi. Those two personalities plus Jemail struggled for control of David's body for years, while David's own personality got stuck at a mental age of about 9 or 10, even though physically he's the same age as the New Mutants. The end result is that when David is in control of his own body, he has no powers, but when other personalities take over, each of them can access a different power. Jemail controls Legion's telepathy (as strong if not more so than Professor X), Jack Wayne his telekinesis, and Cyndi his pyrokinesis. This sometimes led to situations where David had to let one of his other personalities take over in order to save someone, but then had a hard time putting the genie back in the bottle, so to speak. It was hinted that Legion might have many more powers controlled by other, less dominant personalities that we hadn't met yet.

In the Muir Island Saga circa 1990 or '91, the Shadow King took over Legion, and his eventual defeat plunged David back into a coma. He reawakened in Legion Quest in 1995, having apparently merged all his personalities during his catatonia and now in control of all of his powers, plus time travel. Unfortunately, he was now a dick instead of a naive child, so he went back in time to try to kill Magneto but accidentally killed his own father, setting off the Age of Apocalypse. The end of that led to Legion apparently dying. His three main personalities (Jemail, Jack Wayne, Cyndi) were last seen as disembodied spirits in an issue of Excalibur, where they were convinced to "go towards the light" or something.

That's the last Legion was seen, so it's been over a decade since his last appearance. As you can see, there's some precedence for him absorbing other people's minds into his own. My personal theory is that David is, either intentionally or unconsciously, absorbing the minds of random people like that Marci girl, and while trying to help her, Shan got stuck inside Legion's mind. For now she has control of the body instead of David, but we don't know how long that'll last. But since she was unable to free herself from that box, apparently Shan doesn't have access to any of Legion's powers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Haller

-D

Crazy. Thanks for the recap.

[yanapryde]

You WILL relish and bathe in the Illyana appreciation Society.



This just merits repeating.
It's too funny. I laughed out loud at my desk and several people gave me a perplexed look.
Well done Twisted Bliss :redface:

[NielsVanEekelen]

New Mutants Poster by Alex Ross is so very very pretty.

That is all.

(Now to find room on my tiny, tiny walls.)

[FemGeek]

Aww, I wanted that poster too, but my LCS has been failing more than usual this month.

*jealous*

[The Black Guardian]

New Mutants Poster by Alex Ross is so very very pretty.
I tend not to like Ross, but that picture was worthy enough to be my computer's wallpaper.

[Alex A Sanchez]

OMG Empath!!!!!! You must PM scans of Empath!!!!

Can someone answer me this question: I thought the Hellions died back somewhere around Uncanny #275-ish. Didn't Empath die with them? Why is he back?


Meh. I'd rather the guy who did the art in X-Infernus than Churchill.

YES YES YES YES YES! Camuncoli is awesome and we need more of him on the X-Titles. :biggrin: Rotating works, as well. He would be a nice pair with the current artist, since their styles are similar.

In the SPOTLIGHT issue, we get some nice character breakdown stuff from Mr.Wells...

Regarding Karma~ "(in response to a question about Kitty Pryde) Yeah. She'll be grieving for the first half of the first year, and then I'd like to deal with her finding love."

WTH? Why won't that demonic slut Illyana be mourning Kitty? When Illyana died Kitty was torn up and in a world of hurt. She could at least return the favor and be remorseful when it's her ex-roommate's turn to die.

[yanapryde]

WTH? Why won't that demonic slut Illyana be mourning Kitty? When Illyana died Kitty was torn up and in a world of hurt. She could at least return the favor and be remorseful when it's her ex-roommate's turn to die.

LIsten here YACH! We don't speak of Illyana in that way. :wink:
Illyana will grieve in her own time and in her own way. We're on issue ONE buddy, so simmer down.
As for the issue with Kitty, that question was DIRECTED SPECIFICALLY in regard to Karma (since Karma was crushing on Kitty since day one)

[lockerogue]

I loved the first issue. The end was so unexpected. Even comatose Shan is still fierce.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Can someone answer me this question: I thought the Hellions died back somewhere around Uncanny #275-ish. Didn't Empath die with them? Why is he back?

Empath actually wasn't with the Hellions then--he was in Nova Roma with Amara.

But some of the other Hellions have indeed returned from their apparent deaths.

LIsten here YACH! We don't speak of Illyana in that way. :wink:
Illyana will grieve in her own time and in her own way. We're on issue ONE buddy, so simmer down.
As for the issue with Kitty, that question was DIRECTED SPECIFICALLY in regard to Karma (since Karma was crushing on Kitty since day one)

What he said. Although I must admit I'm impatient to see Illyana respond to Kitty's predicament--they used to have my favorite among all X-friendships.

[yanapryde]

There just aren't enough pages in one issue to satisfy our curiosities and our needs and hopes.
Waiting monthly will surely make me insane.

I'm hopeful for:
Further discussion between Peter and Illyana (especially about Kitty)
Determining whether her eldritch armor will be halfs-ies or fulls-ies.
Will her soul sword take on new properties/capabilities (undo pixie's B.S. ?)
I'd like for Illyana and Dani to get some dynamic duo time like in the old days.
And much much more.

[Anna]

Can someone answer me this question: I thought the Hellions died back somewhere around Uncanny #275-ish. Didn't Empath die with them? Why is he back?



YES YES YES YES YES! Camuncoli is awesome and we need more of him on the X-Titles. :biggrin: Rotating works, as well. He would be a nice pair with the current artist, since their styles are similar.



WTH? Why won't that demonic slut Illyana be mourning Kitty? When Illyana died Kitty was torn up and in a world of hurt. She could at least return the favor and be remorseful when it's her ex-roommate's turn to die.

Empath actually wasn't with the Hellions then--he was in Nova Roma with Amara.

But some of the other Hellions have indeed returned from their apparent deaths.



What he said. Although I must admit I'm impatient to see Illyana respond to Kitty's predicament--they used to have my favorite among all X-friendships.
The Empath situation became confused because he was shown with the Hellions when the HFC was attacked. A case of writers not knowing what was happening in each other's books and editorial not being on the ball. SOP at Marvel. :rolleyes:

[DrDoom616]

Hey, Illyana's teleportation powers takes her to and from limbo yes?

In early New Mutant issue's didn't she also have the power to locate anyone by using a scrying pool in limbo?

Well, why has she not rescued Kitty yet then?

or have I just spoiled a future storyline? lol

[NielsVanEekelen]

Hey, Illyana's teleportation powers takes her to and from limbo yes?

In early New Mutant issue's didn't she also have the power to locate anyone by using a scrying pool in limbo?

Well, why has she not rescued Kitty yet then?

or have I just spoiled a future storyline? lol

When she fought Forge (I think?), her scrying glass broke and she wasn't able to fix it. I'm sure Darkchilde, Uberqueen of Limbo could make one, but we're as of yet unsure of her power levels.

Also, I believe getting Kitty out of of that bullet (she's still phasing) and then not letting the bullet fly on to pulverize some other planet is half the problem.


By the way, had someone pointed of the CBR review of the issue (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=1005)yet? Four stars! :biggrin:

[pariah-1972]

When she fought Forge (I think?), her scrying glass broke and she wasn't able to fix it. I'm sure Darkchilde, Uberqueen of Limbo could make one, but we're as of yet unsure of her power levels.

Also, I believe getting Kitty out of of that bullet (she's still phasing) and then not letting the bullet fly on to pulverize some other planet is half the problem.


By the way, had someone pointed of the CBR review of the issue (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=1005)yet? Four stars! :biggrin:Four stars was a bit too conservative for me.

[Twisted Bliss]

When she fought Forge (I think?), her scrying glass broke and she wasn't able to fix it. I'm sure Darkchilde, Uberqueen of Limbo could make one, but we're as of yet unsure of her power levels.

Also, I believe getting Kitty out of of that bullet (she's still phasing) and then not letting the bullet fly on to pulverize some other planet is half the problem.


By the way, had someone pointed of the CBR review of the issue (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=1005)yet? Four stars! :biggrin:

Yeah when she morphed into the full Darkchilde in Inferno she repaired the scrying mirror and even upgraded it with sound. (Surround sound no less!!)

[NielsVanEekelen]

Yeah when she morphed into the full Darkchilde in Inferno she repaired the scrying mirror and even upgraded it with sound. (Surround sound no less!!)

Yeah, but did it have HD? I bet Dr. Strange could have made it HD. :tongue:

[Twisted Bliss]

Yeah, but did it have HD? I bet Dr. Strange could have made it HD. :tongue:

It defintely had Tivo

[sunofdarkchild]

Yeah, but did it have HD? I bet Dr. Strange could have made it HD. :tongue:

It was two steps beyond Blu Ray and had Dolby 9.1 surround sound. It had tivo since Belasco used it.

[yanapryde]

Something I'm working on.
Plan on inking it soon.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Something I'm working on.
Plan on inking it soon.

Ooh, lovely!

Goggles, headbands, this one has it all! :tongue:

[sunofdarkchild]

Something I'm working on.
Plan on inking it soon.

If this series ever becomes a collection that needs to be the cover.

[Alex A Sanchez]

LIsten here YACH! We don't speak of Illyana in that way. :wink:

I'm like Rahne when it comes to hanging out with Illyana. We'll be at Denny's late nite- if she sits on one side of the table by the window, my ass is gonna be in the aisle on the same side so I can't see her.

I'll bet that she's the one who doesn't put in enough money when the bill comes and then everyone else had to chip in more because you're short $8. That's because they don't tip their servers in Limbo.

[yanapryde]

I'm like Rahne when it comes to hanging out with Illyana. We'll be at Denny's late nite- if she sits on one side of the table by the window, my ass is gonna be in the aisle on the same side so I can't see her.

I'll bet that she's the one who doesn't put in enough money when the bill comes and then everyone else had to chip in more because you're short $8. That's because they don't tip their servers in Limbo.

ha.
Denny's.
Thats funny stuff. And NO! Illyana would never short the server or her friends!
Also...Denny's is too cheery for her.

OH. AND...I was so excited to see another post in the New Mutants forum. Its been so long since the conversation in here died down.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Empath actually wasn't with the Hellions then--he was in Nova Roma with Amara.

But some of the other Hellions have indeed returned from their apparent deaths.



Wow okay thanks. I will ask no more about this because I'm still in the middle of reading the original NM run (I have that plus the first #25 or so issues of X-Force). I stopped reading because I need to track down a copy of Uncanny Annual #9 (damn x-over), but I may skip it and get on the with the story.

Something I'm working on.
Plan on inking it soon.

This is radical! If I had more time I'd offer to ink. Can't wait to see it colored. Your Karma is very cute.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Also...Denny's is too cheery for her.

Pshh. I saw her in Hot Topic the other day. She looked so at home I didn't have the heart to tell her that it wasn't punk rock in there.


OH. AND...I was so excited to see another post in the New Mutants forum. Its been so long since the conversation in here died down.

I've been super busy lately, with the semester ending and all. I wish I could be talking about New Mutants all day and drawing pics of them and stuff, but no. My life is fail at the moment.

[yanapryde]

This is radical! If I had more time I'd offer to ink. Can't wait to see it colored. Your Karma is very cute.

THANKS A TON!!!
That's nice of you to offer? You draw? Ink? Got any samples online?
I prefer Karma with ther bangs pulled back to make her look more unique.
Bangs are Illyana's thing.
Thanks so much for the compliment. Hope all goes well with your end-of-school happenings.:smile:

[NielsVanEekelen]

ha.
Denny's.
Thats funny stuff. And NO! Illyana would never short the server or her friends!
Also...Denny's is too cheery for her.

Oh, I dunno. Short her friends, no--but she'd be the first to say if she and those friends got bad service, and that she'd be damned if she was gonna tip. :smile:

Wow okay thanks. I will ask no more about this because I'm still in the middle of reading the original NM run (I have that plus the first #25 or so issues of X-Force). I stopped reading because I need to track down a copy of Uncanny Annual #9 (damn x-over), but I may skip it and get on the with the story.

It may be a pain having to look for missing issues, but oh, every last page of the Asgardian Saga is absolutely worth it.


And by the way:

NEW MUTANTS #4
Written by ZEB WELLS
Penciled by DIOGENES NEVES
Cover by ADAM KUBERT
Variant Cover by BENJAMIN
70th Frame Variant by TBA
"Return of Legion"
The pulse-pounding first story-arc comes to a climactic close as Legion takes on the whole team. Can Cannonball, Sunspot, Magma and Dani Moonstar defeat a villain with dozens of super-powered multiple personalities? And all the while Karma and Magik are stuck inside Legion's mind. Part 4 (of 4).
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

Woohoo! :biggrin:

So now we know it'll be a 4-part story.

Not crazy about getting a third different cover, but I wonder if those "frame" variants are going to be like those anniversary covers in the 80's, with a frame of all Marvel characters.

Less pleasant about this solicit--indeed, highly disturbing--is that New Mutants seems to have moved from first week of the month to the last! :frown:

[cookepuss]

Pshh. I saw her in Hot Topic the other day. She looked so at home I didn't have the heart to tell her that it wasn't punk rock in there.
Y'know, I always thought that Illyana would torch Hot topic South Park style, to get rid of the poseurs. I always pegged her for a Gap girl, wanting to sorta fit in, but occasionally attacking a mannequin that "looked at her funny." :biggrin:

Not crazy about getting a third different cover, but I wonder if those "frame" variants are going to be like those anniversary covers in the 80's, with a frame of all Marvel characters.
That would be sweet. I remember this one fondly:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/24644-3234-27414-1-new-mutants-the_super.jpg

[yanapryde]

Less pleasant about this solicit--indeed, highly disturbing--is that New Mutants seems to have moved from first week of the month to the last! :frown:

Oh no. Weak Sauce man!
I was really hoping this title would carry on being availabe at the FIRST of the month! Noooooooooes!

I'm very excited that Karma and Illyana will be paired inside Legion's head. Or whatever.:smile:

[NielsVanEekelen]

That would be sweet. I remember this one fondly:

As do we all. :smile:

I'm trying to imagine how it would look if they crammed every single character that's in a book now into a frame like that. :biggrin:

[cookepuss]

Oh no. Weak Sauce man!
I was really hoping this title would carry on being availabe at the FIRST of the month! Noooooooooes!
Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily speak to the issue of delays or anything like that, specific to this title. Sometimes it's the 4 week VS 5 week shipping schedule. Sometimes it's the holidays. Sometimes it's just about Marvel shifting things around to keep a balance when other titles slip. (Marvel tries to keep your weekly pull list manageable & consistent.)

It's not Dark Horse where you can always expect Buffy on the 1st Wednesday. Marvel has a lot more titles and has more juggling to do.

A slight change within the same month is much more pleasant than a book that ships 2 months late. Worse yet, would you prefer that it ships like Ultimate Hulk VS Wolverine or Spider-Man & Black Cat? :smile: I thought not. :cool:

I'm trying to imagine how it would look if they crammed every single character that's in a book now into a frame like that.
One word: CRAZY. :)

I remember a 4'x4' Marvel Universe poster I had back in 1986. That thing had every single character at the time. I can only imagine trying to do that now. That poster would have to be 10'x10'. LOL (More if you stick in every darn random mutant from before the Morrison era destruction of Genosha.)

[NielsVanEekelen]

Zeb Wells will be on X-Position next week! We'll have to ask all the right questions to get some juicy answers!

(And the only question I can come up with now is, "Do you need a co-writer?")

[yanapryde]

Zeb Wells will be on X-Position next week! We'll have to ask all the right questions to get some juicy answers!

(And the only question I can come up with now is, "Do you need a co-writer?")

where do we write to? I've got questions! Illyana questions!!!

[NielsVanEekelen]

That concludes this week’s gabfest, but in seven days we’ll be back with the writer of the new “New Mutants” title – Zeb Wells! You’ve had some time to read the first issue and absorb its mutanty goodness, so fire up those computers and send me an inquisitive missive. Remember, X-POSITION is only as good as the questions you provide!

Be sure to put an “X-Position” in the subject line, and I’ll be sure to pass it along as quickly as I can.

To: george@comicbookresources.com

I'm just trying to think of stuff he'll actually answer--they never talk if a question is too directly related to upcoming plot points.

[yanapryde]

To: george@comicbookresources.com

I'm just trying to think of stuff he'll actually answer--they never talk if a question is too directly related to upcoming plot points.

That's always the trickiest part.
Unfortunately, the best I could come up with were inquiries about her current age (closer to Anole & Co. or that of Sam etc) and whether she'd be using her magical talents/visiting Limbo anytime in the near future.

Hopefully your questions will be better....AND answered.

[NielsVanEekelen]

That's always the trickiest part.
Unfortunately, the best I could come up with were inquiries about her current age (closer to Anole & Co. or that of Sam etc) and whether she'd be using her magical talents/visiting Limbo anytime in the near future.

Hopefully your questions will be better....AND answered.

Heh. I'd discarded the age question because he talked about that in the Marvel Spotlight interview, and I was going to ask about visits to Limbo. :smile:

[yanapryde]

Heh. I'd discarded the age question because he talked about that in the Marvel Spotlight interview, and I was going to ask about visits to Limbo. :smile:

I asked the age question again in hopes that he might clarify further.
You never know right? He might feel inclined to divulge further detail......one can dream.
And ask about Limbo! I just remembered I think I left the Limbo part out when I hit send.

[The Lucky One]

Personally, I'd ask whether Magneto's going to be making an appearance. He was their mentor for a good 40 issues, and even though they disagreed a lot of the time, they're arguably closer to him than any of the X-Men or other classes. I'd particularly like to see how he reacts to Illyana being back, since they were as "close" as Magneto gets to anyone. And if the hints about Doug coming back are true... well, Magneto claimed telling Doug's parents about his death was the hardest thing he ever had to do. It'd be a shame if Doug does return and we never find out how Magneto reacts upon learning the news.

-D

[yanapryde]

Personally, I'd ask whether Magneto's going to be making an appearance. He was their mentor for a good 40 issues, and even though they disagreed a lot of the time, they're arguably closer to him than any of the X-Men or other classes. I'd particularly like to see how he reacts to Illyana being back, since they were as "close" as Magneto gets to anyone. And if the hints about Doug coming back are true... well, Magneto claimed telling Doug's parents about his death was the hardest thing he ever had to do. It'd be a shame if Doug does return and we never find out how Magneto reacts upon learning the news.

-D

Oh yes. Well done.
I'd certainly be interested, enthused even, to witness some Magneto / New Mutants interaction. I remember there was a brief storyline involving he and the X-Force crew (Sam, Dani, Tabby, James) back when Cheung was on pencils and he DID acknowledge his having been their former instructor. It would be great to see that sort of interaction again, especially now with Illyana back.
I"m just DYING to see some reactions from Yana about the many many things that had taken place while she was dead.
Her brother's whole death/mess, Kitty being lost in space, Lockheed having been revealed to be a spy (?) for S.W.O.R.D., Dani being depowered, Emma Frost's co-heading the X-crew, Wolverine's 'sister' Laura, her brother Mikhail's whereabouts and/or fate, etc etc.
I mean, she was fully aware of Empath's recent shenanigans and Pixie's having 'disabled' him AND Amara's visitations after all. I just have too much I want to know and too little patience.

[otipep_90]

Wonder if the New Mutants will be interacting with other mutants their own age that were created much later, like Skid, Lifeguard, Thunderbird III, Slipstream, Stacy-X, Chamber, Omega Sentinel, Marrow, Maggot etc.?

And if we'll see some of the old Hellions back at some point?

never mind lol

Edit.

[SayOcean]

lol i just read it...and thought i t was AWESOME.....although i dont remember illyana being so mean to Amara....but the tension between them is good....can't wait till the other NM come around, and even though i knew legion was gonna appear it was still awesomes.....lets hope shan wakes up and kicks so butt

P.S. I love yana pryde

[yanapryde]

lol i just read it...and thought i t was AWESOME.....although i dont remember illyana being so mean to Amara....but the tension between them is good....can't wait till the other NM come around, and even though i knew legion was gonna appear it was still awesomes.....lets hope shan wakes up and kicks so butt

P.S. I love yana pryde

Awwwww:redface: !!! yay for CBR friends!

[cookepuss]

My only question would be this:
In their original volume 1 incarnation, New Mutants was an essential part of the X-family. Thanks to being the first X-Men related spinoff (ongoing), New Mutants was as much of a core book as Uncanny X-Men itself. From "Fall of the Mutants" to "Inferno," New Mutants was at the heart of every major mutant related crossover.

Once the preliminaries are out of the way and the team is officially reestablished, can we expect New Mutants to be brought back into the core of all things X?
The huge concern here is that New Mutants will fall prey to the same sort of disconnection that plagued books such as Generation X, Young X-Men, and New X-Men (v2). Though New X-Men was connected to "Messiah Complex," it was in no way as essential to the X-Men line of comics as New Mutants was back in the day.

New Mutants was in indispensable part of the X-Men universe and should be again.

[yanapryde]

My only question would be this:
In their original volume 1 incarnation, New Mutants was an essential part of the X-family. Thanks to being the first X-Men related spinoff (ongoing), New Mutants was as much of a core book as Uncanny X-Men itself. From "Fall of the Mutants" to "Inferno," New Mutants was at the heart of every major mutant related crossover.

Once the preliminaries are out of the way and the team is officially reestablished, can we expect New Mutants to be brought back into the core of all things X?
The huge concern here is that New Mutants will fall prey to the same sort of disconnection that plagued books such as Generation X, Young X-Men, and New X-Men (v2). Though New X-Men was connected to "Messiah Complex," it was in no way as essential to the X-Men line of comics as New Mutants was back in the day.

New Mutants was in indispensable part of the X-Men universe and should be again.

oh wow. well said cookepuss. good question.

[pariah-1972]

I wish i could write a great question like that.

[Maestro]

My only question would be this:
In their original volume 1 incarnation, New Mutants was an essential part of the X-family. Thanks to being the first X-Men related spinoff (ongoing), New Mutants was as much of a core book as Uncanny X-Men itself. From "Fall of the Mutants" to "Inferno," New Mutants was at the heart of every major mutant related crossover.

Once the preliminaries are out of the way and the team is officially reestablished, can we expect New Mutants to be brought back into the core of all things X?
The huge concern here is that New Mutants will fall prey to the same sort of disconnection that plagued books such as Generation X, Young X-Men, and New X-Men (v2). Though New X-Men was connected to "Messiah Complex," it was in no way as essential to the X-Men line of comics as New Mutants was back in the day.

New Mutants was in indispensable part of the X-Men universe and should be again.

I'm not sure what you mean. do you want New Mutants to have constant tie-ins to other crossovers? that will just interrupt the plot.

[SayOcean]

I think the poster meant to have Nm actually play a part in the day to day lives of the Xmen....though with the current way uncanny is being written it might be bad for the team, the xmen arent really a family anymore it seems they are just once beig crossover or big event after another I dont really know how they would recapture (lol gay word) that old New Mutants magik

[sunofdarkchild]

My question is "what is Illyana's reaction to Kitty's situation?"

[cookepuss]

My question is "what is Illyana's reaction to Kitty's situation?"
This hasn't been addressed.

Because Astonishing is a book that lives on the outskirts of the X-universe, Marvel took a while for even the main X-Men book to address Kitty's bullet death trap.

As it relates to Illyana, her character has been so busy with her own drama that there hasn't been a single moment for her to breathe.

She came back in with a bang in New X-Men and there was that whole Limbo/Belasco crisis. The next time she appeared was in a one-off story in the "Divided We Stand" issue, but she was busy dealing with more soul/Limbo stuff. After that, there was X-Inferno, which we all know there was no room there for her to grieve given the ongoing battle.

New Mutants #1 is the most quiet time she's had since her reappearance. Even then, she popped back in half-beaten & with some arrows sticking out of her.

I'm sure that they'll address this as soon as Zeb gives them some quiet time. However, I'd suspect that grieving is not going to be a part of this arc.

I'm not sure what you mean. do you want New Mutants to have constant tie-ins to other crossovers? that will just interrupt the plot.
In terms of my above posted question...... If he's asked it, let Zeb interpret it as he wishes. There are various ways to look at the issue of the New Mutants' role into the core X-universe.

And, believe it or not, it's actually possible to tie the book to the ongoing events in the other X-books without stopping the forward momentum of the current storylines. This is why those creative summits exist. Writers and editors can work these things into the book. They can turn events into huge advantages instead of crippling burdens. They can plan ahead an make them a seamless part of what came before.

It's totally possible to integrate the book into the X-universe proper as a core book without destroying it. Besides, integration doesn't always entail them taking part in the main events. That would be nice, if it could be done in a natural way, but it's not necessary.

Integrating the New Mutants into the X-universe proper could also mean not relegating them to that dark corner of the universe where most spinoff titles often exist.

I'd rather not clarify my question any further for Zeb because it all depends on how he and Marvel editorial view the book.

We're not privy to what goes on in their meetings. We have no idea how the book is perceived. We have no idea what cool ideas may come about later on in year two.

I'd rather that New Mutants not live on the fringe of the mutantverse with the likes of (the awesome) X-Factor, but I'm happy either way.

As long as the book is written with love and the stories keep me coming back for more, I'm cool. The moment I become "not cool" is when the book is treated like a quick fix for nostalgia freaks.

[SayOcean]

i have a question for you and everyone else who would want the new mutants to eventually be intergrated into mainstream x society..... how would you go about doint it

[yanapryde]

i have a question for you and everyone else who would want the new mutants to eventually be intergrated into mainstream x society..... how would you go about doint it

I'm not writer, but looking back at past (far past) New Mutants issues and how they tied into the general X world....it can't be THAT difficult can it?
The mutant massacre for example was a great example of integrating several titles. The New Mutants were at the mansion, upon the X-Men's arrival from the Morlock tunnels and they assisted in trying to help the survivors in little ways they could (make sandwiches, move debri, make room, etc) and I thoroughly enjoyed that kind of storyline.
I'd just love to see the New Mutants team interact with the rest of the X-family.

If we were to look at how Uncanny uses the rotating cast (allegedly) I'd use, for example, the core cast (Scott, Emma, etc) and swap them out with the NM cast, and have them interact with Scott Emma etc (but putting Scott etc as minor supporting characters) leaving the focus on WHAT/HOW the NM would react to whats going on.

I am now realizing my rambling may not make sense at all.
And thus....I stop.
Sorry gang for my potentially worthless post.

[sunofdarkchild]

i have a question for you and everyone else who would want the new mutants to eventually be intergrated into mainstream x society..... how would you go about doint it

Back in the day the New Mutants and the X-Men used to train together in the danger room. These scenes, like the cute one in Uncanny 193, allowed the two groups to interact and get to know each other, setting up their teamup in the subsequent Asgard saga where they worked well together.

These characters all have relationships with the X-Men, albeit a somewhat different version, from way back. Nightcrawler was somethiing of a mentor to Sam early on, there was a little rivalry between Sunspot and Colossus, and of course Illyana was nearly as close to the X-Men as she was to the New Mutants, even moreso with Kitty and Peter.

And all of the New Mutants have a relationship with Emma Frost.

If these facts are remembered then integration in everyday/noncombat situations should happen naturally, leading to occassional integration into combat situations as well.

[4sake]

i have a question for you and everyone else who would want the new mutants to eventually be intergrated into mainstream x society..... how would you go about doint it

Scott make their squad the the defaulted away team X-men.. He or another higher ranking x-man (Hank, Logan, Kurt, Emma & etc) will she then on mutant related missions (those missions can take 3-6 issues to tell) & after they come back to the Fan San (depending on how many issues those missions take use 1 or 2 issues having them reacting to whatever going on in San Fan & with there order teammates, families, friends & etc (the plots in Uncanny, X-force, Legacy, Cable & maybe X-factor & the crossovers). Then when all or some the X-men books crossover the NM X-men squad will know what going on & etc where when the do crossover it won't seem forced & etc.

Atleast that how I would do it & hope happens.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I'd actually like it if the New Mutants became established as somewhat separate from the great mass of X-Men in San Francisco.

With Wells describing the new book as being about finding your place in the world after becoming adults, the idea of moving out of your "parents" house to your own place just seems to fit too perfectly not to use.

The way to keep the book separate yet integrated would then be through the characters and their relationships--

--Cannonball and Iceman are friends, they'll keep in touch.
--Illyana and Piotr will have regular family time, be it dinner or whatever. (And she's a timeteleporter--that really rules out any excuse to miss an appointment.)
--The Mutants need someone found, they ask for a search through Cerebra. They need something fixed, they ask Beast to work his magic. (They need cash, Sam can promise Warren not to kill him for laying hands on his baby sister.)

That would all establish a cordial but deep relationship that would mean that when something big comes up (like a crossover), Cyclops can call, and the Mutants would be only too happy to help out perfoming a mission that is key to everything and thus stealing all the glory. :wink:

[yanapryde]

I'd actually like it if the New Mutants became established as somewhat separate from the great mass of X-Men in San Francisco.

With Wells describing the new book as being about finding your place in the world after becoming adults, the idea of moving out of your "parents" house to your own place just seems to fit too perfectly not to use.

The way to keep the book separate yet integrated would then be through the characters and their relationships--

--Cannonball and Iceman are friends, they'll keep in touch.
--Illyana and Piotr will have regular family time, be it dinner or whatever. (And she's a timeteleporter--that really rules out any excuse to miss an appointment.)
--The Mutants need someone found, they ask for a search through Cerebra. They need something fixed, they ask Beast to work his magic. (They need cash, Sam can promise Warren not to kill him for laying hands on his baby sister.)

That would all establish a cordial but deep relationship that would mean that when something big comes up (like a crossover), Cyclops can call, and the Mutants would be only too happy to help out perfoming a mission that is key to everything and thus stealing all the glory. :wink:

MORE of THIS....ha ha ha

[Scavenger]

I'm not writer, but looking back at past (far past) New Mutants issues and how they tied into the general X world....it can't be THAT difficult can it?
The mutant massacre for example was a great example of integrating several titles. .....

Except that was 2 books written by 1 writer, who had pretty much carte blanche to write what he wanted.

Even with just Uncanny, it's 2 writers, one of whom who's being pushed as the greatest thing ever despite not being able to write his way out of bag, with books who's editorial staff is more concerned with ....examining....Greg Land's art sources to actually having any kind of cohesiveness to their book line.

[KJ_81]

I'm not sure what you mean. do you want New Mutants to have constant tie-ins to other crossovers? that will just interrupt the plot.

I just don't know how it really can tie into the 'real X-Men' like they used to.

Uncanny doesn't even have a team, everyone is really just a part of the crowd.

For what you wanted, they'd really have to be connected to the Astonishing crew, and well, you can see how difficult that is, and how little we'd actually get out of it considering the book's scheduling.

Really, the time is right for them to step out of the shadow of the elder team.

IMO if this series is to succeed, they have to.

The Uncanny team isn't being X-Men anymore, they're not a team. The New Mutants are (well, they're starting to).

Many people are not happy with Uncanny. NM could provide the elements those people are missing.

[yanapryde]

When oh When will we get the Next X-Position???:confused:

[pariah-1972]

When oh When will we get the Next X-Position???:confused:Be patient young Padowan.

[Aguja]

I finally got this! EPIC.

Although I never remembered Magik being so bitchy.

[pariah-1972]

I finally got this! EPIC.

Although I never remembered Magik being so bitchy.She developed it from being HBIC in Limbo.

[yanapryde]

She developed it from being HBIC in Limbo.

HBIC?
Her Being In Control?

[SayOcean]

i think he meant Head Bitch in Charge....and while she was always snarky...we havent seen this much bitciness directed at a fell Nm in a while....but i remember her being kinda bitchy to rhane and dani....but dani would always call her out for it

[yanapryde]

i think he meant Head Bitch in Charge....and while she was always snarky...we havent seen this much bitciness directed at a fell Nm in a while....but i remember her being kinda bitchy to rhane and dani....but dani would always call her out for it

More-so Rahne.
And really more-so in that mini-series about them going to the future and finding out Illyana dies of the Legacy Virus. She was pretty pointedly snarky at Rahne during the Truth or Dare game they played prior to their time-leap.

But REALLY?....Rahne was a bitch to Illyana. So....she was really just playing the part that she'd been given, you know?
Same in the situation with Amara on the jet.
Amara was sizing Illyana up, giving her the stink-eye and questioning the validity of her intentions and what did Illyana do? She put her in her place.
In that brief exchange on the jet, she basically pointed out that Amara has no grounds for questioning her motivations, when Amara's had some questionable behavior herself.:cool:

[NielsVanEekelen]

I think Yana might be pouring on extra bichiness on purpose. There's something more going on with her and what she knows than she's telling the others. When Amara probes, Illyana puts up a wall of bitchiness that deflects and distracts Amara admirably.

[pariah-1972]

HBIC?
Her Being In Control?Head bitch in charge:smile:

[SayOcean]

More-so Rahne.
And really more-so in that mini-series about them going to the future and finding out Illyana dies of the Legacy Virus. She was pretty pointedly snarky at Rahne during the Truth or Dare game they played prior to their time-leap.

But REALLY?....Rahne was a bitch to Illyana. So....she was really just playing the part that she'd been given, you know?
Same in the situation with Amara on the jet.
Amara was sizing Illyana up, giving her the stink-eye and questioning the validity of her intentions and what did Illyana do? She put her in her place.
In that brief exchange on the jet, she basically pointed out that Amara has no grounds for questioning her motivations, when Amara's had some questionable behavior herself.:cool:

lol yeah rahne was a bitch to illyana...so much so that i wanted magik to just lay some black magic smackdown on her ass
and i reread that seen with amara and magik......amara wasnt being that out of place to ask Magik some of the stuff....it did seem magik realy was being a bitch....which is awesome

[MuhollandDriver]

Magik has always been snarky. Her behavior was totally in character.

Rhane, who i also love, is nonetheless a twerp.

She even goes to the same hair stylist as R'chel Grey.

[FemGeek]

Oi, all you Yana fans! Let's not forget New Mutants issue #73 The Gift, where Rahne was the one to reach out to Magick when she totally lost and refused to give up on her when Magick gave up on herself. AND Rahne jumped reckleddly through Limbo to rescue baby Ilyana, and was the first to crandle her broken, empty armour. Rahne didnt hate Yana she just reminided her of what she herslf was. Plus Yana was a scary chick!

[NielsVanEekelen]

Oi, all you Yana fans! Let's not forget New Mutants issue #73 The Gift, where Rahne was the one to reach out to Magick when she totally lost and refused to give up on her when Magick gave up on herself. AND Rahne jumped reckleddly through Limbo to rescue baby Ilyana, and was the first to crandle her broken, empty armour. Rahne didnt hate Yana she just reminided her of what she herslf was. Plus Yana was a scary chick!

Rahne was bitchy to Illyana because her strict, religious upbringing conflicted violently with Illyana being a demon sorceress. Having someone consider her evil while she was giving her all to fight her inner evil only played on Illyana's insecurities. Consequently, she taunted Rahne, and they just encouraged eacht other's enmity.

The thing of it was, Rahne saw the demon witch first, and the human girl behind that only barely. So when the team was in Limbo and got a clear picture of how young and innocent Illyana had been when she was taken, and the things she suffered through in Limbo (which she had never really talked to any of them about), Rahne felt horribly guilty for how she'd judged her.

That, I think, is what made her take action beyond even what Dani and the others did.

[sunofdarkchild]

For the first 10-12 issues Rahne had nothing good to say about Illyana. "Evil," "witch," "spawn of Satan." I don't think Rahne said anything to her that wasn't yelling.

The first conversation the New Mutants had about Illyana did not speak well about them, for our purposes about Amara. Keep in mind that this is before they found out that Illyana had any powers.

Amara: "She's very strange. Is she a mutant like you?"

Roberto: "We don't know. Her brother is."

Amara. "She reminds me of Selene, the demon sorceress that preyed upon my people in Nova Roma and tried to steal Dani's soul."

Stevie (their dance teacher): "Illyana isn't like that Amara!"

Roberto: "Are you sure Stevie? Sometimes even the X-Men seem afraid of her."

It's a wonder Illyana became friends with any of them given how they treated her. She heard the whole exchange.

[SayOcean]

i dont know if its the wine in my syestem,the puppy in my lap, or just the craziness of my memorial day....but the last like 3 posts i have cracked up on.....and yeah if i was magik I probably wouldnt be friends with any of them...but i guess thats cause i kinda hold grudges....secret grudges.

[Vanish]

I actually thought this was kinda bad.

For one, I thought Diogenes did much better work during X-Men: World's Apart.

Secondly, I equate this issue with the debut of Young X-Men, but I'm less excited.

And I'm really starting to lose a lot of love for Anole and Cannonball.

This equals into sadness on my part.

[SayOcean]

I actually thought this was kinda bad.

For one, I thought Diogenes did much better work during X-Men: World's Apart.

Secondly, I equate this issue with the debut of Young X-Men, but I'm less excited.
And I'm really starting to lose a lot of love for Anole and Cannonball.

This equals into sadness on my part.what??????? for reals???? were you reading the same books everyone else was?

[Vanish]

what??????? for reals???? were you reading the same books everyone else was?

Yes.

Wasn't a fan.

[Alex A Sanchez]

For the first 10-12 issues Rahne had nothing good to say about Illyana. "Evil," "witch," "spawn of Satan." I don't think Rahne said anything to her that wasn't yelling.

Illyana wasn't even in the first 12 issues. Don't quote me on that- but she wasn't in the first 5 for sure.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Yes, she was! Issues 1 and 3! :tongue:

But you're right, she didn't become a starring character until #14, which is where the conversation comparing her to Selene is from.

[sunofdarkchild]

Illyana wasn't even in the first 12 issues. Don't quote me on that- but she wasn't in the first 5 for sure.

The first 10-12 issues where she was a major character! Issue 14 and on! sheesh! But she was in issues 1 and 3. 3 was such a sad moment.

[The Lucky One]

You know, it just dawned on me, but... does Sam bringing along spare uniforms for Shan and Dani indicate he knows their measurements? Those outfits are form-fitting, so either Sam knows offhand or the information is stored in the X-Men's hard drive. I don't know many women who would want a male friend knowing their measurements, or having it saved on a computer system for that matter. You gotta figure that's some highly, highly encrypted data if Emma has anything to say about it.


Sam: Let's see, uniforms for the Chief and Shan... now if memory serves, Shan is 32C-22-34, and Chief runs a 36C-24-38. 'Berto, help me out, is that right?
Bobby: No, remember? Dani went on the pill when she started dating Agent Pierce and gained to a 36D.
Sam: Right, right. Okay, 36D-2... you know, she's been snacking more than usual lately, I'm going to make it a 36D-28-38.
Bobby: Probably a safe bet.


-D

[4sake]

You know, it just dawned on me, but... does Sam bringing along spare uniforms for Shan and Dani indicate he knows their measurements? Those outfits are form-fitting, so either Sam knows offhand or the information is stored in the X-Men's hard drive. I don't know many women who would want a male friend knowing their measurements, or having it saved on a computer system for that matter. You gotta figure that's some highly, highly encrypted data if Emma has anything to say about it.


Sam: Let's see, uniforms for the Chief and Shan... now if memory serves, Shan is 32C-22-34, and Chief runs a 36C-24-38. 'Berto, help me out, is that right?
Bobby: No, remember? Dani went on the pill when she started dating Agent Pierce and gained to a 36D.
Sam: Right, right. Okay, 36D-2... you know, she's been snacking more than usual lately, I'm going to make it a 36D-28-38.
Bobby: Probably a safe bet.


-D

WoW lol :biggrin: :smile:

[Anna]

You know, it just dawned on me, but... does Sam bringing along spare uniforms for Shan and Dani indicate he knows their measurements? Those outfits are form-fitting, so either Sam knows offhand or the information is stored in the X-Men's hard drive. I don't know many women who would want a male friend knowing their measurements, or having it saved on a computer system for that matter. You gotta figure that's some highly, highly encrypted data if Emma has anything to say about it.


Sam: Let's see, uniforms for the Chief and Shan... now if memory serves, Shan is 32C-22-34, and Chief runs a 36C-24-38. 'Berto, help me out, is that right?
Bobby: No, remember? Dani went on the pill when she started dating Agent Pierce and gained to a 36D.
Sam: Right, right. Okay, 36D-2... you know, she's been snacking more than usual lately, I'm going to make it a 36D-28-38.
Bobby: Probably a safe bet.


-D
If these are altered standard issue uniforms then the unstable molecules would make them "one size fits most".

[pariah-1972]

If these are altered standard issue uniforms then the unstable molecules would make them "one size fits most".I could use one of those were can i get one?

[NielsVanEekelen]

You know, it just dawned on me, but... does Sam bringing along spare uniforms for Shan and Dani indicate he knows their measurements? Those outfits are form-fitting, so either Sam knows offhand or the information is stored in the X-Men's hard drive. I don't know many women who would want a male friend knowing their measurements, or having it saved on a computer system for that matter. You gotta figure that's some highly, highly encrypted data if Emma has anything to say about it.


Sam: Let's see, uniforms for the Chief and Shan... now if memory serves, Shan is 32C-22-34, and Chief runs a 36C-24-38. 'Berto, help me out, is that right?
Bobby: No, remember? Dani went on the pill when she started dating Agent Pierce and gained to a 36D.
Sam: Right, right. Okay, 36D-2... you know, she's been snacking more than usual lately, I'm going to make it a 36D-28-38.
Bobby: Probably a safe bet.


-D

:biggrin:

I imagine though, that all the X-Men's measurements are indeed stored somewhere. Seeing how often those people ruin their outifts, it would save so much time they'd probably be able to save the planet two extra times per month!

[Anna]

I could use one of those were can i get one?

Reed Richards, the Avengers or the Shi'ar.

[pariah-1972]

Reed Richards, the Avengers or the Shi'ar.Hmm you wouldn't happen to have their number on you would ya?

[Twisted Bliss]

If these are altered standard issue uniforms then the unstable molecules would make them "one size fits most".

Unstable Molecules aka fire proof spandex

[NielsVanEekelen]

New Mutants #1 debuts at 20 in the Diamond sales charts: (http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2009/2009-05.html)

Comic-book Title Issue Price Publisher Order Index
17 X-Force 15 $2.99 Marvel 65.43
18 Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk 6 $2.99 Marvel 64.09
19 Justice Society of America 27 $2.99 DC 62.92
20 New Mutants 1 $3.99 Marvel 62.50
21 X-Men Legacy 224 $2.99 Marvel 60.57
22 Invincible Iron Man 13 $2.99 Marvel 57.54


There were a lot of covers and we'll have to wait and see the infamous second issue drop, but couple this with the generally positive reception, and I have high hopes for a long run.

By contrast, Young X-Men launched at 19, Cable at 24, and X-Force at 1 (although that last one seems just a freak occurrence).

Oh, and New Mutants is the highest debuting new series of the month (for whatever that's worth)!

[jarrod]

New Mutants #1 debuts at 20 in the Diamond sales charts: (http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2009/2009-05.html)



There were a lot of covers and we'll have to wait and see the infamous second issue drop, but couple this with the generally positive reception, and I have high hopes for a long run.

By contrast, Young X-Men launched at 19, Cable at 24, and X-Force at 1 (although that last one seems just a freak occurrence).

Oh, and New Mutants is the highest debuting new series of the month (for whatever that's worth)!
Solid debut, though it undersold the #1's for YXM, Cable and X-Force. Still, those books were all coming off Messiah Complex directly and I sort of doubt New Mutants will have the same sort of drop off... hopefully it stabilizes in the 50s.