New Mutants #1 Spoilers and Review!! [Archive] - Page 2

SugarMan

05-08-2009, 08:22 AM

Finally read issue #1 as well as the NM Spotlight. Actually read issue #1 about 3 times. Love the wraparound variant cover, waiting for the poster.

As for the actual story and characters, loved it. Great to see these group of friends actually acting like the friends they should be by now. Even Illyanna, in her way, shows her concern for teamates, and a concern I haven't seen from her before about children being abducted. It makes sense.

Favorite moments in the book:

-Sam asking Rockslide how he'd like his fist to teach him a lesson at 700 mph
-Illyanna teasing Anole, and later Amara
-Amara's response to the guy with the gun who says he doesn't want to use it
-Bobby's reply to Sam about the pants he's wearing

I like that Illyanna is as unpredictable as ever, but Amara I think is a wildcard as well. Hard to tell where her emotions lie with Empath, or how that will be resolved. I just hope they don't make him a member of the team. Maybe she'll take Magik up on her offer, and even help him escape (after he promises not to seek revenge, which will be a lie).

The thing I hated most about the story? That I have to wait until next month for the next chapter. Issue #1 should have been doublesized. It's been too long since I've had my New Mutants fix, and this was just a teasing.

Reztek

05-08-2009, 09:03 AM

The thing I hated most about the story? That I have to wait until next month for the next chapter. Issue #1 should have been doublesized. It's been too long since I've had my New Mutants fix, and this was just a teasing.

I totally agree!:biggrin:

cookepuss

05-08-2009, 09:47 AM

Issue #1 should have been doublesized. It's been too long since I've had my New Mutants fix, and this was just a teasing.
Hardly. The issue passed quickly, but it was 36 pages long instead of the usual 22. Marvel could have stuffed those extra 14 pages with sketches, bios, or previews for other titles.

Instead, we got all of those pages back in actual story. That more than justified the $3.99 launch price - unlike the overpriced and crap filled "Astonishing X-Men:Ghost Boxes" stuff from several months back.

June 3 seems so far off, but #1 was stuffed with enough story, nods, & general fun that I'm content right now.

SugarMan

05-08-2009, 09:53 AM

^ And yet, there was no Dani, not even a mention of Rahne (Wolfsbane). I loved it, but there could have been a lot more included for this relaunch of a series loved by many. Maybe they could have printed a "director's" cut for an extra buck or two, with more backstory. I would have liked to have seen more discussion with Magik, bringing her back up to speed. The mission was immiment, but they had enough downtime to make costumes and such.

The Lucky One

05-08-2009, 09:57 AM

-Bobby's reply to Sam about the pants he's wearing

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9970/cplague3.jpg

-D

NielsVanEekelen

05-08-2009, 09:57 AM

Zeb did state that the Illyana we'd be exposed to would be "a bit older than you've seen her. She's going to be round about the same age as the others"

But then he later states in the same interview, after bringing up her time traveling ability via her stepping discs: "So for the first year or so we dont know how old this Illyana is, what her context is."

As for the uniform-to-civies scene, I was under the impression that Sam had included wrist-image-inducers like what Nightcrawler used to wear. Since they all went for their wrists as their clothing appeared.

Yeah, I've read the Marvel Spotlight issue now, too. :smile:

Weird though, because it really struck me when they're all in street clothes that Illyana looked younger.

Some of Zeb's comments in the Spotlight are just golden--look forward to seeing Karma eat loads of fast food. :biggrin:

Image inducers seem likely, yeah. But I never liked those either--they take all the drama out of characters who have to deal with a freakish appearance. (Although there was this great Classic X-Men vignette where Logan dared Kurt to turn his off and just walk down down the crowded street.)

SugarMan

05-08-2009, 10:24 AM

Weird though, because it really struck me when they're all in street clothes that Illyana looked younger.

I noticed also that she looked younger in street clothes, but maybe that was just the art. I think Illyanna and Bobby were a year or two behind Sam and Dani. Also in spotlight, it said that she was around the same age (20's) so that makes sense.

MarvelGirlBoy

05-08-2009, 10:41 AM

Beyond the previewed pages, this was boring.

I am uninterested in Da Costa and his ridiculous Topman fashion.
I am uninterested in Guthrie's damage.
I am slightly more interested in Xian and Dani, who are absent. Xian's crotch featured prominently, though.

Magik is pretty fun, though.

Scavenger

05-08-2009, 10:43 AM

1b) Amara is a bitch. .....But a sympathetic mess. She's 2 parts bitch with a pinch of lost girl from the Amazon.

I think "bitch" is a bit strong. She is, however, essentialy the princess of a lost civilization (not in title), so she's go that "I'm royalty, beyatch!" thing that Emma pretends to.

2. Illyana ...... At her core she's a sweet innocent farm girl, but she's an onion.

Cake.

She's a cake.

An onion has layers, but they're all the same. No matter how many layers you peel, it's still onion.

A Cake's layers are all different.

NielsVanEekelen

05-08-2009, 10:48 AM

Like I said earlier... I did really like the issue, especially Sam back into a leadership role. But I'll miss him hangin with the big guns of the X-Men.

He used to hang with Cable. After that, "big guns" sort of loses its meaning. :wink:

They omitted the BEST PART of the original NM unis: the foldover pirate boots.

Boooo!

Everyone in comics used to wear those before pirates became cool again. They just stopped now because they don't want to look like they're following a lame trend.

But for serious, I love these uniforms. I'm actually a fan of having a single team uniform with some personal touches for each.

Since the topic has been brought up a few times now....how ARE the X-Men broken up anyhow?

It seems the majority believe anyone who shows up in Uncanny is TRUE X-MAN (for lack of a better term) but I always viewed Uncanny is an 'overseer' book of the X community as of late. Since so many faces roll in and out of the pages I don't really consider it a team book. Not like, say, Astonishing. There is not a definite cast. Merely those who show up more often than others/ have speaking parts.

New Mutants: Cannonball, Sunspot, Mirage, Karma, Magik and Magma (currently)

Astonishing: Cyke, Wolvie, Emma, Storm, Beast, Armor

X-Force: Wolvie, X-23, Angel, Elixir, Domino, Vanisher, Warpath......wolfsbane

As yet unassigned to a team but still present at X-HQ--->
Dazz, Pix, Northstar, Colossus, etc etc

I'd say that everyone allied with the group in SF counts as an X-Man now, and that there are no set teams.

X-Force is the exception because it's being held secret from most people, but for the rest, teams are put together based on who's available and of use to the mission.

The New Mutants will obviously stick together because they work well together and like each other, but I get the feeling they'll eventually become a bit more separate to justify them as a team.

Adding on.....i loved the family/friendship/bonds dynamic to the book...it is something that made the X-Books popular...and its been missing for some time.

Yes, absolutely--I couldn't agree with this more.

The only one to ever try to enter Illyana's mind was lucky to escape with her life, and that was when Illyana was a powerless six year old. It would be far more difficult and dangerous now. You'd probably have better odds trying to fight Illyana in Limbo than in her head.

Getting into Illyana's head is not so much dangerous as it is impossible, isn't it? Xavier couldn't do it. Magma has possessed her and Empath has influenced her, but really getting into her thoughts just isn't done.

Wow....when was it really? When Kitty is saved...Illyana better have something to do with it.

Just quoted this because I'm so desperate for it to happen too.

^ What have the new Mutants done since then to make people care about them?

nothing

this new book is just marvel trying to cash in on Nostalgia, i doubt it will make it to the next big Event

You know, if you're clearly not interested in this book, you don't have to post here.

Suggesting that there's nothing to love about these characters and no one who cares about them in a thread where people keep saying they love them... well, it doesn't make you look smart.

Jack Flash

05-08-2009, 10:55 AM

I think "bitch" is a bit strong. She is, however, essentialy the princess of a lost civilization (not in title), so she's go that "I'm royalty, beyatch!" thing that Emma pretends to.

- - - - -

Cake.

She's a cake.

An onion has layers, but they're all the same. No matter how many layers you peel, it's still onion.

A Cake's layers are all different.

She's a bitch. I love her. but she's a bitch. a Royal Bitch at that.

and

Onion's have layers and as you peel them you start to cry. Illyana is a onion. Cake is sweet and if you eat to much it gives you a stomach ache. She is not a cake.

pariah-1972

05-08-2009, 10:59 AM

I think the thing is that Marvel has realized that they have screwed the pooch so many times with the New Mutants and all the teen x-books at least Kyle and Yost (i know i'm gonna catch hell for this)started going on a killing rampage and getting rid of all of them that they decided to hit the reset button.

I always liked the close nit family the New Mutans had before Rob Liefeld started bringing in his big ass guns and his growly militantcy.

Sam is probably the only one to come out of all those changes in powers and personality alive by bringing him unto the main x-books.

So DaUltimateSheild they haven't done anything at all recently but thats because the X-office didn't know what to do with them not to mention most of these characters have been screwed over six ways to sunday since the original NM book.

Pixie_Solanas

05-08-2009, 10:59 AM

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9970/cplague3.jpg

-D

Good lord, this panel is so much full of win. Cheap tattoos, fuel leakage, and pants goin' to HELL! Where the hell is this from?

pariah-1972

05-08-2009, 11:01 AM

Good lord, this panel is so much full of win. Cheap tattoos, fuel leakage, and pants goin' to HELL! Where the hell is this from?Crimson Plauge a creator owned work by Perez.

Skeets

05-08-2009, 11:21 AM

Prodigy55

05-08-2009, 11:25 AM

Teh m0nk3y

05-08-2009, 11:30 AM

2. The New X-Men hate her because of the Quest of Magik arc. She attacked them (then later helped them), but she stole a piece of Pixie's soul. Or at least she tried, now Pixie can make a soul-dagger. They also appear to blame her for the demons who attacked them too, but it wasn't really her fault.

It's understandable that all of the New X-Men blame Magik since she was the very reason that Belasco kidnapped the students. They endured torture and torment collectively through that misadventure.

Skeets

05-08-2009, 11:31 AM

1. I don't know how to explain it, someone else would be better. Colossus knows that she is back.

2. The New X-Men hate her because of the Quest of Magik arc. She attacked them (then later helped them), but she stole a piece of Pixie's soul. Or at least she tried, now Pixie can make a soul-dagger. They also appear to blame her for the demons who attacked them too, but it wasn't really her fault.

3. Empath was a Hellion who were the NM's rivals. He had a relationship with Magma.

4. I don't know what happened there, I guess he just quit or something.
Thanks. So did Magik go evil or something?

Yearning4Yorick

05-08-2009, 11:34 AM

^ What have the new Mutants done since then to make people care about them?

nothing

this new book is just marvel trying to cash in on Nostalgia, i doubt it will make it to the next big Event

I guess the same question could be asked what did the New X-Men do to ever get people to care about them? People only started caring about them when they started exploding.

yanapryde

05-08-2009, 11:36 AM

Teh m0nk3y

05-08-2009, 11:36 AM

Thanks. So did Magik go evil or something?

Belasco had recreated her but with a vital missing component... Her soul. So he cast her out. A failed venture and one which he wouldn't accept.
Magik was basically in her Darkchylde persona during this story arc.

yanapryde

05-08-2009, 11:40 AM

Thanks. So did Magik go evil or something?

Magik only has 2/5ths of her soul and thus her moral compass is in constant flux.
She's the poster child for tragic-hero trying to overcome the evil inside her, having endured so many horrors over the course of her life.....Lives?

I'd love to hear a joke somewhere down the road about how old she is.

"Technically, I'm 1 year and 4 months old"

That would be hilarious, given that she's been dead for so long and is newly resurrected.

Skeets

05-08-2009, 11:40 AM

^ What have the new Mutants done since then to make people care about them?

nothing

this new book is just marvel trying to cash in on Nostalgia, i doubt it will make it to the next big Event
What had PAD's X-Factor team done before their series came back? You could argue that was an attempt to cash in on the fans of his original run too, but hey, here we are 40+ issues later.

Skeets

05-08-2009, 11:42 AM

Belasco had recreated her but with a vital missing component... Her soul. So he cast her out. A failed venture and one which he wouldn't accept.
Magik was basically in her Darkchylde persona during this story arc.

Magik only has 2/5ths of her soul and thus her moral compass is in constant flux.
She's the poster child for tragic-hero trying to overcome the evil inside her, having endured so many horrors over the course of her life.....Lives?

I'd love to hear a joke somewhere down the road about how old she is.

"Technically, I'm 1 year and 4 months old"

That would be hilarious, given that she's been dead for so long and is newly resurrected.
Cool, thanks for bringing me up to speed.

Anna

05-08-2009, 11:44 AM

Magik only has 2/5ths of her soul and thus her moral compass is in constant flux.
She's the poster child for tragic-hero trying to overcome the evil inside her, having endured so many horrors over the course of her life.....Lives?

I'd love to hear a joke somewhere down the road about how old she is.

"Technically, I'm 1 year and 4 months old"

That would be hilarious, given that she's been dead for so long and is newly resurrected.

The way she's been talking; she may have lost the 2/5ths.

yanapryde

05-08-2009, 11:45 AM

I fail to understand people's need to bash things.

You don't like it? Don't read it.
You don't like it? Go post somewhere else about something you DO like.

Puzzles me.
Nerds (I use this term endearingly, as I am one) are so critical.
Take your "high school was so hard on me" attitude elsewhere.

yanapryde

05-08-2009, 11:49 AM

The way she's been talking; she may have lost the 2/5ths.

Her tone isn't really new.
She was often testing Wolfsbane's limits and comfort in the past. If you'll note, she has only really shown Amara any signs of hostility (among her New Mutant companions) so far and Amara had shown apprehension about her from the start. I'm guessing Illyana picked up on that right away and that's part of why she's scraping her fingernails on Amara's chalk board, as it were.

pariah-1972

05-08-2009, 11:52 AM

Nice metalphor Yana.

yanapryde

05-08-2009, 11:55 AM

Nice metalphor Yana.

Thank you pariah-1972:smile:

Anna

05-08-2009, 11:56 AM

AcesX1X

05-08-2009, 11:57 AM

The Lucky One

05-08-2009, 11:59 AM

New to all this can someone answer a few questions?

1. So last I read of her, Illyana was dead. How is she back? Does Colossus know she's back?

2. Why do the New X-Men hate her?

3. What is the backstory on Empath? Who is he, what's his relationship to the New Mutants?

4. Roberto was in the Hellfire Club, what happened with that?

1) Yeah, Peter knows. I didn't read the story, but there was an arc in NXM called "The Quest for Magik" where Belasco resurrected her using... uh, his own memories or other people's memories of her, I forget which. Either way, she came back a little... different, and hurt a bunch of people trying to get her Soulsword back in the X-Infernus mini. As of now, while she seems to remember her past life and being good, no one's entirely sure what's going on in her head.

2) In the Quest for Magik arc I just mentioned, some of the NXM got dragged to Limbo for, uh, some reason or another and got put through hell- Anole's arm got chopped off (he grew another), part of Pixie's soul was stolen. Even though Magik herself didn't do those things, the kids largely blame her for it.

3) He was a member of the Hellions, the rival team of mutant students assembled by the White Queen, who used to alternately fight and go to dances with the New Mutants. While most of the Hellions were just slightly misguided or angry (see: Anole), Empath was the exception. Sadistic and heartless, he had no problem using his power to control people's emotions on enemies and teammates alike. His worst action was probably twisting the attraction two of the New Mutants' friends felt for each other into overriding, uncontrollable animal lust and sending them out into the woods during a New York winter to essentially f*** each other to death; and while I know the initial reaction is "Sweet, unlimited sex!", understand that it's by people who can think clearly but have no control over their own actions, who are naked outside in the snow in 20-degree weather for three days straight, unable to stop copulating even long enough to build shelter or look for food. They barely survived, and the worst part is that Empath didn't even dislike them, he just did it to get them out of the way.

So yeah, he's a bastard. However, for reasons she's never been able to figure out even herself, Magma has always had a thing for him. She left the New Mutants to join the Hellions and they were together behind-the-scenes during much of the late 80s and 90s. He was... kind of reformed during that time (as in, not actively hurting people), but recently he's gone back to his old ways.

4) Left it. At one point I'm sure the writers had a plan for him, but writers come and go and the plotline wasn't going anywhere, so Marc Guggenheim had Cyclops convince him to leave in YXM to train the kids.

-D

NielsVanEekelen

05-08-2009, 12:12 PM

Her tone isn't really new.
She was often testing Wolfsbane's limits and comfort in the past. If you'll note, she has only really shown Amara any signs of hostility (among her New Mutant companions) so far and Amara had shown apprehension about her from the start. I'm guessing Illyana picked up on that right away and that's part of why she's scraping her fingernails on Amara's chalk board, as it were.

That fits very well--in the past when she picked on Rahne, it was mostly because Rahne felt uncomfortable around her. Illyana put up a front to impress upon people that she wasn't bothered by the fact that her demon half made people uncomfortable, and that she certainly wasn't terrified by it herself.

Whatever her situation now, I can see her attacking the first person to doubt her, pre-emptively getting the upper hand in a possible future confrontation.

I wasn't talking about that, but her statements in NXM and Infernus that she's lost the rest of her soul.

It wasn't explicitly said, but from the change in her appearance, she regained part of her humanity/her soul when she regained her Soulsword.

Teh m0nk3y

05-08-2009, 12:18 PM

2) In the Quest for Magik arc I just mentioned, some of the NXM got dragged to Limbo for, uh, some reason or another and got put through hell- Anole's arm got chopped off (he grew another), part of Pixie's soul was stolen. Even though Magik herself didn't do those things, the kids largely blame her for it.

Except for the part were Darkchylde takes a part of Pixie's soul.
Then there were thus further consequences of this main action during X-Infernus.
The children being put through hell was otherwise outside her control, but she was the source of the problem.

sunofdarkchild

05-08-2009, 12:29 PM

Its been said here that the comic won't last.

I think that the massive sales of X-Infernus and the reports people are bringing here about issue 1 selling out suggest otherwise. There seems to be a strong market for a book about these characters.

The largely positive reviews help as well.

Illyana did corrupt part of Pixie's soul to make a bloodstone, but I don't think she took a piece of it. Belasco didn't take parts of her soul when he made the original bloodstones. Then again, the use of bloodstones to make a new soul sword is already a huge continuity mistake, so maybe a similar mistake is causing Pixie to be missing part of her soul.

FemGeek

05-08-2009, 01:50 PM

Just got my issue there (with the awesome Alex Ross cover) and I really enjoyed it. The art was very good, and the characterisation was excellent. The story is interesting, with a nice cliffhanger. There wasnt a huge amount of information given, but rather it looks like its going to be well-paced. An enjoyable read, with a good future. An impressive start to a new series.

MuhollandDriver

05-08-2009, 04:59 PM

The same goes for those people who are constantly posting that they don't like New X-Men.

We get it. Great. Start a thread or something to find more like minds.

So...some were wondering what purpose this title would serve beyond nostalgia..

i think it has shown to be a book where the heroes are solid heroes....no gray area stuff (besides Illyana), and "moral dilemnas". It also is a book with a strong sense of family...these themes, at one time, were very important in the X-World.

i sense the book is fairly out of continuity with Dark Reign and such. i'm good with that...let it stand on its own.

As for the Young/New X-Men.....at this point another reboot for them would be a bit of a joke.

A mini-series could work...followed by some one-shots or stories..kind of like "Young Avengers Presents" except for these characters. If those are successful...and build a solid foundation again for the characters....maybe try another series. Only if the previosuly mentioned ideas would prove successful.

Dirkner

05-08-2009, 07:09 PM

I have to chime in at least a bit, since I just got m books finally today!

This was a great way for the new series to start out. I really was into the story and the art was pretty good as well. Right now I was picking up no X-men books at all, but I'll be keeping this one on my to read list.

Puunk

05-08-2009, 09:22 PM

New Mutants had more female than male members. How often does that happen..even today. These days....a team might have one or two token members...and they often resemble a tit in a glass slipper.

I've always loved that about the New Mutants. Them and the Runaways have always had more female members than males.

Puunk

05-08-2009, 09:31 PM

3) He was a member of the Hellions, the rival team of mutant students assembled by the White Queen, who used to alternately fight and go to dances with the New Mutants. While most of the Hellions were just slightly misguided or angry (see: Anole), Empath was the exception. Sadistic and heartless, he had no problem using his power to control people's emotions on enemies and teammates alike. His worst action was probably twisting the attraction two of the New Mutants' friends felt for each other into overriding, uncontrollable animal lust and sending them out into the woods during a New York winter to essentially f*** each other to death; and while I know the initial reaction is "Sweet, unlimited sex!", understand that it's by people who can think clearly but have no control over their own actions, who are naked outside in the snow in 20-degree weather for three days straight, unable to stop copulating even long enough to build shelter or look for food. They barely survived, and the worst part is that Empath didn't even dislike them, he just did it to get them out of the way.

So yeah, he's a bastard. However, for reasons she's never been able to figure out even herself, Magma has always had a thing for him. She left the New Mutants to join the Hellions and they were together behind-the-scenes during much of the late 80s and 90s. He was... kind of reformed during that time (as in, not actively hurting people), but recently he's gone back to his old ways.

Omfg. Seriously? Holy shit .. this dude was crazy then.
Thanks for the recap, really awesome.

pariah-1972

05-09-2009, 05:22 AM

MuhollandDriver

05-09-2009, 07:47 AM

Yes...but if so it should be done very carefully.

That backstory became very convoluted.

NielsVanEekelen

05-09-2009, 07:51 AM

The only reason i can think of for Amara for hanging around that creep after all he's done to her is she feels sympathy for him
and also he seems to be one of the few connections she has to her past since her Nova Roman origin got blasted into smithereeens.

I hope to god they find a way to bring back her original origin back into continuity.

Having a bunch of old school Romans in a remote place in south america is just one of the things i love about comics and it made for a great visual especially since i used to be into Roman mythology when i was a kid.

If you're talking about her having the Alison Crestmere identity, that was already retconned away as fake memory implants (mostly off-panel, but I'll take it).

But whether Nova Roma is still there now and still populated, I'm actually not sure--I don't have the issues, but didn't people move out of the place when it was (falsely, as it turned out) revealed that they weren't really ancient Romans?

As for Empath, for good or ill, the two have a lot of history together, and at this point neither of them is probably sure if Amara ever felt anything real for him. So I can understand why she's drawn to Manuel--she's looking for closure.

pariah-1972

05-09-2009, 11:16 AM

If you're talking about her having the Alison Crestmere identity, that was already retconned away as fake memory implants (mostly off-panel, but I'll take it).

But whether Nova Roma is still there now and still populated, I'm actually not sure--I don't have the issues, but didn't people move out of the place when it was (falsely, as it turned out) revealed that they weren't really ancient Romans?

As for Empath, for good or ill, the two have a lot of history together, and at this point neither of them is probably sure if Amara ever felt anything real for him. So I can understand why she's drawn to Manuel--she's looking for closure.

Well she acts like she has feelings for him, shes practically taking care of him.

Fatguy

05-09-2009, 11:17 AM

jarrod

05-09-2009, 11:51 AM

New Mutants had more female than male members. How often does that happen..even today. These days....a team might have one or two token members...and they often resemble a tit in a glass slipper.
It was pretty common for Claremont actually... Excalibur had more girls too, and starting around "From the Ashes" the X-Men were pretty much always evenly split gender wise. I wish it were still the case. :/

RickyD410

05-09-2009, 11:57 AM

It was pretty common for Claremont actually... Excalibur had more girls too, and starting around "From the Ashes" the X-Men were pretty much always evenly split gender wise. I wish it were still the case. :/

It kinda sucks, cus all the top female X-Men that I always think off are gone: Jean dead, Storm married, Shadowcat dead, Rogue crazy, Polaris space, Marvel Girl space. Hopefully Psylocke is here for good now.

MuhollandDriver

05-09-2009, 11:58 AM

It was pretty common for Claremont actually... Excalibur had more girls too, and starting around "From the Ashes" the X-Men were pretty much always evenly split gender wise. I wish it were still the case. :/

Claremont is the only one who really did it and did it successfully.

Of course...there is nothing inherently wrong with groups that are malecentric....but it is kind of sad that X-Men succeeded at it, which was unheard of then and even now, and today that isn't the case.

jarrod

05-09-2009, 12:01 PM

The last time the X-Men had a strong female weighted team was Carey's X-Men... and most of them became traitors/enemies in the end. :/

Zero Hunter

05-09-2009, 12:10 PM

I just wish the cover had not spoiled the Legion reveal for me. Other than that I really liked this first issue. It was cool seeing the classic gang back together. I hope when can at least get an apperance of Wolvesbane sometime soon just so they can see how screwed up she has been getting since Scott put her on the killing team. Would be an interesting subplot about her freinds being worried about her and how she is acting.

pariah-1972

05-09-2009, 12:51 PM

It kinda sucks, cus all the top female X-Men that I always think off are gone: Jean dead, Storm married, Shadowcat dead, Rogue crazy, Polaris space, Marvel Girl space. Hopefully Psylocke is here for good now.It's all a big plan by Emma to be head bitch in charge .

Apparently it worked.

RickyD410

05-09-2009, 01:22 PM

Hi-Fi

05-09-2009, 01:30 PM

I just reread the issue again, and I liked it much more the second go around. Funny how that sometimes happens, huh? I'm still not completely fixed on the art though. Anyhoo, I'm looking forward to seeing Dani (hopefully) in the second issue. I wanna know how Dani and Shan found out about Marci in the first place. Also, I wanna learn more about Magma and Magik's relationship. Magik really does seem to enjoy torturing her. What kinda friendship is that? I get that Illyana is pretty twisted after whats been done to her, but I mean, you'd think Amara would at least tell her to back off or something.
It's funny, when Illyana first joined the team, they were all pretty much scared of her. Rahne wouldn't even be near to her, calling her Satan spawn or something silly like that and blaming her for everything that would go wrong. If I remember correctly, Amara was the ONLY ONE who gave her a chance (though Sam and Berto were ok with Illyana as well), being an outcast just like her. So it's odd to see Illy picking on Magma like that. Even though it's very enjoyable!

Or am I remembering it wrong? Drew? Anyone?

MuhollandDriver

05-09-2009, 02:29 PM

Magik's role on the team is much like Wolverine's in the Claremont days....def. a member of the team, despite some underlying fear.

Why Magma didn't say anything back? Illyana was right, and she was also trying to offer help in her own way.

i usually am not a fan of resurrections as it can cheapen the death, but i never felt Illyana should have been killed off anyway. Also....it isn't just poof she's back..hug her and move on. It is a process that isn't easy on her or her friends.

For those of You asking why Illyana is acting like this, well....during Claremont's run this was her personality. She can also be quite a loyal, giving friend. But she remains an enigmatic wild card with some biting characteristics.

Louise Simonson did her best, and sometimes succeeded with characterizing the characters. Sometimes, under her writing, Illyana's darkchilde issues came across like a case of the teenage cramps.

pariah-1972

05-09-2009, 04:16 PM

Aguja

05-09-2009, 04:56 PM

My LCS keeps running out of this. I still don't have my copy.

I'm going to bitch them out like Anole soon.

Anna

05-09-2009, 07:14 PM

My LCS keeps running out of this. I still don't have my copy.

I'm going to bitch them out like Anole soon.

Doesn't your LCS reserve copies for regular customers?

Puunk

05-09-2009, 08:12 PM

Doesn't your LCS reserve copies for regular customers?

I guess they do, but I never remember to call in advance. My LCS keeps running out every time I go there.

cookepuss

05-09-2009, 09:31 PM

I always loved Louise Simonson's work i don't think she got enough praise considering how influential she was at least in the 80's she always had a knack for great characterization..
The problem with Weezie's run is that she made some fairly controversial changes to the book. Some were great. Some were less so. Most were a radical shift from Claremon't work.

There were some fair and reasonable reasons to criticize Louise Simonson's run.

Death & Destruction: Illyana was reverted back to a kid. Warlock was killed. Doug was killed. Dani was left behind in Asgard. Rahne was more or less mutilated in Genosha. Basically, Simonson left a path of destruction that set the stage for Kyle & Yost's New X-Men carnage. Unfortunately, the victims of her "rampage" were all Claremont's perfectly crafted core cast. Don't even get me started on how the New Mutant's supporting cast, especially those at Xaviers, fell into obscurity under her run.
Action VS Allegory: There was a lot in Claremont's run that had to do with the various joys & growing pains of youth. Stuff like parent problems, teen suicide, dating, insecurities, fearing the future, etc.. All of it was disguised by adventure oriented storytelling. Under Weezie's run, much of that stuff was jettisoned in favor of the adventure stuff alone. Prolonged adventures in space, Asgard, exotic islands, and so forth. The slow, but steady abandonment of the school concept in favor of teenage adventurers.
Xavier/Magneto VS Cable: This one happened slower, but Simonson gradually eroded the need for teachers & mentors. Because of the fact she moved the team from students to adventurers, it was an easy enough step to turn them into soldiers under the militaristic Cable. For most New Mutants readers, that's not what the premise was about. That was the sole reason why the title was redubbed X-Force. She shifted far from the original premise. For some people, that was one shift too far.
The X-Factor: Let's get this one out of the way. Louise Simonson and her husband had a CLASSIC run on X-Factor. The stuff they did there was genius. Not only did she change classic characters she also introduced new ones. Over the course of her ~60 issue run, she created some teen wards for X-Factor called the X-Terminators. She even got the chance to write an Inferno oriented limited series for these kids. You could tell that she genuinely loved those characters. Unfortunately, I think that she loved them too much. X-Terminators such as Rusty, Skids, Boom Boom, & Rictor nudged the most of classic lineup out. Not a big deal? Lineups change on every team? How would New X-Men fans have felt if nearly their entire lineup was replaced by the Runaways, but the book title never changed? Yeah. I thought so. Abandoning (much of) the cast that held this book together and made it a top seller was a HUGE mistake.

Weezie did some great things in her run. Stories such as Inferno & Fall of the Mutants are classic. Her co-creation of Cable is something that we can still appreciate today. However, as much as she helped cement the New Mutant legacy, she tarnished it.

I hate saying "tarnish" because it sounds so bad. However, Claremont had a certain vision for the New Mutants as a title. The book had a certain momentum and humanity to it. In some ways, she turned her back on that stuff. Stories such as Warlock mourning the dead Cypher show that she can write about people, but it failed to resonate on the same level as Claremont's story of teen suicide in #47. She could write action and adventure, as is evidenced by Inferno. However, it somehow failed to have the same sort of epic feeling as the Claremont helmed Asgardian adventures or the early discovery of a lost civilization of ancient Romans.

Instead of better utilizing the character she was handed from, she slowly and methodically killed, exiled, or otherwise mutilated them in favor of some of her pet X-Factor run characters.

Weezie was a solid New Mutants writer with some moments of genius in her run. I just think that she struck out at bat more times than Claremont ever did.

Just look at Zeb's cast of characters and his choice of enemies. He's obviously sticking with "Coca-Cola Classic" instead of "New Coke" - Claremont's characters VS Simonson's. He's revisiting issues that were started, but unresolved under Claremont's run - Illyana as the fragile girl with a lost youth. (Something explored, but on a less human level in Inferno.) Even Neve's choice of costume designs tosses post-Claremont the vision out of the window.

I'm pretty positive that, under Zeb's run, we won't see the return of Simonson creations like Spyder, Bird-Brain, or Nastirh.

The start of Simonson's run in 1987 heralded the forthcoming excesses that would plague comics for most of the 1990's. Her work here had its moments, but you could almost see why Marvel was going to be in big trouble in only handful of years.

Incidentally, the year she started working on New Mutants was the same year that Marvel Editor-in-Chief Jim Shooter was fired and replaced by gentleman writer Tom Defalco, who himself would be replaced 8 years later by train wreck extraordinaire Bob Harras.

I only mention that because Shooter was the wunderkind writer of DC's Legion of Superheroes title some years earlier. I'm pretty sure that his love for these teen characters is what helped push Claremont forward in the direction that he did, as contrasted by stuff like DeFalco's more action oriented GI Joe or Spider-Man runs. Probably no direct correlation, but interesting enough to see how things shifted when EICs changed and what those EICs worked on.

cookepuss

05-09-2009, 09:34 PM

Doesn't your LCS reserve copies for regular customers?
Not all do. Here in NYC, at Jim Hanley's Universe specifically, they don't. They order a lot of copies of everything since they're practically the Target of LCS', but they don't have pull lists. Many stores don't. They can't afford to hold stuff for one customer if another one is willing to pay now.

BTW: Marvel has already okayed a 2nd printing of this 1st issue.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0905/09/newmutants1.jpg

Unfortunately, the 2nd printing won't be out until June 3rd, to coincide with the 2nd issue.

coconutphone

05-09-2009, 09:44 PM

Good choice of cover :)

I agree with the above poster re: Simonson's run. It was what I was most exposed to as a younger comic reader and I never much cared for it/the NM. She had a fantastic run XF but a mediocre one IMO on NM for reasons stated so well above.

However not all of the changes made can all be blame don her. Killing Doug was along-time artists request, Cable was more of an editorial mandate (though not that specific) as was I imagine the erosion of the school aspect.

Axing Warlock and writing out Rahne and Sunspot were obviously Leifeld requests for his upcoming shift to X-Force. He wanted room for his characters and they did not fit his idea. Especially Warlock. Can you imagine him even tolerating one second of what X-Force were about?

pariah-1972

05-09-2009, 09:45 PM

The problem with Weezie's run is that she made some fairly controversial changes to the book. Some were great. Some were less so. Most were a radical shift from Claremon't work.

There were some fair and reasonable reasons to criticize Louise Simonson's run.

Death & Destruction: Illyana was reverted back to a kid. Warlock was killed. Doug was killed. Dani was left behind in Asgard. Rahne was more or less mutilated in Genosha. Basically, Simonson left a path of destruction that set the stage for Kyle & Yost's New X-Men carnage. Unfortunately, the victims of her "rampage" were all Claremont's perfectly crafted core cast. Don't even get me started on how the New Mutant's supporting cast, especially those at Xaviers, fell into obscurity under her run.
Action VS Allegory: There was a lot in Claremont's run that had to do with the various joys & growing pains of youth. Stuff like parent problems, teen suicide, dating, insecurities, fearing the future, etc.. All of it was disguised by adventure oriented storytelling. Under Weezie's run, much of that stuff was jettisoned in favor of the adventure stuff alone. Prolonged adventures in space, Asgard, exotic islands, and so forth. The slow, but steady abandonment of the school concept in favor of teenage adventurers.
Xavier/Magneto VS Cable: This one happened slower, but Simonson gradually eroded the need for teachers & mentors. Because of the fact she moved the team from students to adventurers, it was an easy enough step to turn them into soldiers under the militaristic Cable. For most New Mutants readers, that's not what the premise was about. That was the sole reason why the title was redubbed X-Force. She shifted far from the original premise. For some people, that was one shift too far.
The X-Factor: Let's get this one out of the way. Louise Simonson and her husband had a CLASSIC run on X-Factor. The stuff they did there was genius. Not only did she change classic characters she also introduced new ones. Over the course of her ~60 issue run, she created some teen wards for X-Factor called the X-Terminators. She even got the chance to write an Inferno oriented limited series for these kids. You could tell that she genuinely loved those characters. Unfortunately, I think that she loved them too much. X-Terminators such as Rusty, Skids, Boom Boom, & Rictor nudged the most of classic lineup out. Not a big deal? Lineups change on every team? How would New X-Men fans have felt if nearly their entire lineup was replaced by the Runaways, but the book title never changed? Yeah. I thought so. Abandoning (much of) the cast that held this book together and made it a top seller was a HUGE mistake.

Weezie did some great things in her run. Stories such as Inferno & Fall of the Mutants are classic. Her co-creation of Cable is something that we can still appreciate today. However, as much as she helped cement the New Mutant legacy, she tarnished it.

I hate saying "tarnish" because it sounds so bad. However, Claremont had a certain vision for the New Mutants as a title. The book had a certain momentum and humanity to it. In some ways, she turned her back on that stuff. Stories such as Warlock mourning the dead Cypher show that she can write about people, but it failed to resonate on the same level as Claremont's story of teen suicide in #47. She could write action and adventure, as is evidenced by Inferno. However, it somehow failed to have the same sort of epic feeling as the Claremont helmed Asgardian adventures or the early discovery of a lost civilization of ancient Romans.

Instead of better utilizing the character she was handed from, she slowly and methodically killed, exiled, or otherwise mutilated them in favor of some of her pet X-Factor run characters.

Weezie was a solid New Mutants writer with some moments of genius in her run. I just think that she struck out at bat more times than Claremont ever did.

Just look at Zeb's cast of characters and his choice of enemies. He's obviously sticking with "Coca-Cola Classic" instead of "New Coke" - Claremont's characters VS Simonson's. He's revisiting issues that were started, but unresolved under Claremont's run - Illyana as the fragile girl with a lost youth. (Something explored, but on a less human level in Inferno.) Even Neve's choice of costume designs tosses post-Claremont the vision out of the window.

I'm pretty positive that, under Zeb's run, we won't see the return of Simonson creations like Spyder, Bird-Brain, or Nastirh.

The start of Simonson's run in 1987 heralded the forthcoming excesses that would plague comics for most of the 1990's. Her work here had its moments, but you could almost see why Marvel was going to be in big trouble in only handful of years.

Incidentally, the year she started working on New Mutants was the same year that Marvel Editor-in-Chief Jim Shooter was fired and replaced by gentleman writer Tom Defalco, who himself would be replaced 8 years later by train wreck extraordinaire Bob Harras.

I only mention that because Shooter was the wunderkind writer of DC's Legion of Superheroes title some years earlier. I'm pretty sure that his love for these teen characters is what helped push Claremont forward in the direction that he did, as contrasted by stuff like DeFalco's more action oriented GI Joe or Spider-Man runs. Probably no direct correlation, but interesting enough to see how things shifted when EICs changed and what those EICs worked on.I think some of that can be blamed on the change of the comic book industry into more "event" oriented stories aka Inferno and Fall of the Mutants which Claremont didn't have to deal with as much.
And i liked her work on X-factor and i don't think she shoved the main cast out of the way for the juniour team at all it felt like a family was coming together especially with Jean practically adopting baby Nathan.

MuhollandDriver

05-09-2009, 09:45 PM

The problem with Weezie's run is that she made some fairly controversial changes to the book. Some were great. Some were less so. Most were a radical shift from Claremon't work.

There were some fair and reasonable reasons to criticize Louise Simonson's run.

Death & Destruction: Illyana was reverted back to a kid. Warlock was killed. Doug was killed. Dani was left behind in Asgard. Rahne was more or less mutilated in Genosha. Basically, Simonson left a path of destruction that set the stage for Kyle & Yost's New X-Men carnage. Unfortunately, the victims of her "rampage" were all Claremont's perfectly crafted core cast. Don't even get me started on how the New Mutant's supporting cast, especially those at Xaviers, fell into obscurity under her run.
Action VS Allegory: There was a lot in Claremont's run that had to do with the various joys & growing pains of youth. Stuff like parent problems, teen suicide, dating, insecurities, fearing the future, etc.. All of it was disguised by adventure oriented storytelling. Under Weezie's run, much of that stuff was jettisoned in favor of the adventure stuff alone. Prolonged adventures in space, Asgard, exotic islands, and so forth. The slow, but steady abandonment of the school concept in favor of teenage adventurers.
Xavier/Magneto VS Cable: This one happened slower, but Simonson gradually eroded the need for teachers & mentors. Because of the fact she moved the team from students to adventurers, it was an easy enough step to turn them into soldiers under the militaristic Cable. For most New Mutants readers, that's not what the premise was about. That was the sole reason why the title was redubbed X-Force. She shifted far from the original premise. For some people, that was one shift too far.
The X-Factor: Let's get this one out of the way. Louise Simonson and her husband had a CLASSIC run on X-Factor. The stuff they did there was genius. Not only did she change classic characters she also introduced new ones. Over the course of her ~60 issue run, she created some teen wards for X-Factor called the X-Terminators. She even got the chance to write an Inferno oriented limited series for these kids. You could tell that she genuinely loved those characters. Unfortunately, I think that she loved them too much. X-Terminators such as Rusty, Skids, Boom Boom, & Rictor nudged the most of classic lineup out. Not a big deal? Lineups change on every team? How would New X-Men fans have felt if nearly their entire lineup was replaced by the Runaways, but the book title never changed? Yeah. I thought so. Abandoning the cast that held this book together and made it a top seller was a HUGE mistake.

Weezie did some great things in run. Stories such as Inferno & Fall of the Mutants are classic. Her co-creation of Cable is something that we can still appreciate today. However, as much as she helped cement the New Mutant legacy, she tarnished it.

I hate saying "tarnish" because it sounds so bad. However, Claremont had a certain vision for the New Mutants as a title. The book had a certain momentum and humanity to it. In some ways, she turned her back on that stuff. Stories such as Warlock mourning the dead Cypher show that she can write about people, but it failed to resonate on the same level as Claremont's story of teen suicide in #47. She could write action and adventure, as is evidenced by Inferno. However, it somehow failed to have the same sort of epic feeling as the Claremont helmed Asgardian adventures or the early discovery of a lost civilization of ancient Romans.

Instead of better utilizing the character she was handed from, she slowly and methodically killed, exiled, or otherwise mutilated them in favor of some of her pet X-Factor run characters.

Weezie was a solid New Mutants writer with some moments of genius in her run. I just think that she struck out at bat more times than Claremont ever did.

Just look at Zeb's cast of characters and his choice of enemies. He's obviously sticking with "Coca-Cola Classic" instead of "New Coke" - Claremont's characters VS Simonson's. He's revisiting issues that were started, but unresolved under Claremont's run - Illyana as the fragile girl with a lost youth. (Something explored, but on a less human level in Inferno.) Even Neve's choice of costume designs tosses post-Claremont the vision out of the window.

I'm pretty positive that, under Zeb's run, we won't see the return of Simonson creations like Spyder, Bird-Brain, or Nastirh.

The start of Simonson's run in 1987 heralded the forthcoming excesses that would plague comics for most of the 1990's. Her work here had its moments, but you could almost see why Marvel was going to be in big trouble in only handful of years.

Incidentally, the year she started working on New Mutants was the same year that Marvel Editor-in-Chief Jim Shooter was fired and replaced by gentleman writer Tom Defalco, who himself would be replaced 8 years later by train wreck extraordinaire Bob Harras.

I only mention that because Shooter was the wunderkind writer of DC's Legion of Superheroes title some years earlier. I'm pretty sure that his love for these teen characters is what helped push Claremont forward in the direction that he did, as contrasted by stuff like DeFalco's more action oriented GI Joe or Spider-Man runs. Probably no direct correlation, but interesting enough to see how things shifted when EICs changed and what those EICs worked on.

Wonderful post. All of it.

Louise Simonson's cast changes made me heartsick at the time.

By the time X-Force came around...i had left Marvel for over a decade.

Tearing the fabric of what made the comic work so her pet characters could shine left a bad taste in my mouth that can linger to this day.

i only became neutral about Cable a few years ago. Tabitha was only tolerable to me as a self-parody in Nextwave.

Ed Brubaker did make Skids an interesting character in The Extremists.

Nonetheless...the quality of that comic steadily went downhill.

i never thought i'd see the New Mutants reunite. It makes me quite happy. i returned to Marvel at the right time!

cookepuss

05-09-2009, 09:51 PM

I think some of that can be blamed on the change of the comic book industry into more "event" oriented stories aka Inferno and Fall of the Mutants which Claremont didn't have to deal with as much.
Ehhhhhh...... Event stuff did hit Claremont's New Mutants pretty hard too. They did "suffer" the effects of stuff like the Asgard Adventures, Mutant Massacre, & Secret Wars II as much. In fact, the New Mutants were killed and resurrected to a near zombie state thanks to Secret Wars II.

However, Claremont used the story to rebuild the characters. Simonson used her crossovers to actually get rid of characters. There's a distinct difference. Weezie used crossovers as cleansing fire. Claremont used them as moments of personal growth.

And, yes, some of what Weezie wrote DID come down from editorial stuff. However, she was the one who had to implement it and it wasn't always pretty.

Again, it's not so surprising on the editor front. Look at Shooter VS DeFalco. One rejuvenated the Legion of Superheroes at age 14 (???) while the other helmed more action oriented and licensed material.

cookepuss

05-09-2009, 09:55 PM

i only became neutral about Cable a few years ago. Tabitha was only tolerable to me as a self-parody in Nextwave.

Then I guess you can take comfort in the fact that she's dead now. :biggrin:

tunasammiches

05-09-2009, 10:53 PM

Just read it. Loved it. this was a perfect resurrection story. It tied seamlessly with continuuity and canon.

Zeb's taken the characters and honored AND evolved them in 1 issue. The nostalgia hit me big time too and now I wanna go back and re-read all my old New Mutants books (I was in highschool when i picked up #50, which was my first NM book). It feels really good to see this team of kids back together. The interactions with Sam and Bobby are awesome and Illyana's interactions with everybody was awesome. Her brief conversation wtih Beast was totally out of left field, but it made sense. The character's been awhile for awhile, and this is the first time she's seen the current incarnation of Beast. Makes sense!

What was refreshing was to see her interact with Amara. These two characters hardly ever acknowledged each other in their time on the team as kids, and aside from being teammates, have no real ties to each other. It's plain to see that Magma couldn't care less about her return. Her doubts about Magik's motives are made evident, and her distrust is plain as day. She was kinda bitchy to her actually. In reading their dialog on the X-jet, I was glad to see Magik totally PWNED her by the end of the scene, while at the same time, kinda disturbed to see how crazy unpredictable Illyana is. She's clearly off a hinge or two, and it reminded me that she's not the snowflake Peter kept calling her. She's a product of being raised in Limbo, so it makes total sense that she's not just gonna be another hero drone. Although I love her character, it dismays me that she's not perfect. At the same time, thank you Zeb for the accurate characterization. Girl was raised by demons. She can't be bubbly. She just can't. I just hope that, although this keeps her interesting, she gets a bit of peace written into her life. She's been through so much since her inception as a character, it'd be nice to throw her a bone for a li'l while.

The costumes are perfect. It's a totally appropriate re-design. They've never properly looked like X-Men, and it's about time that they did. And I love the subtle differences in the costumes. (Bobby's neckline, Amara's sleeveless uniform, the different style gloves) It was great to see Magik in a proper X uniform.

Like I said, Zeb took the characters we knew and threw some contemporary life in them. It's great to see that the NM and NXM don't get along perfectly. Upper classmen vs lower mentality. Again, makes perfect sense. Just cause they all live together, doesn't mean they're gonna like it. Plus, with everything being so hardcore lately, all these kids, old and new, have chips on their shoulders and they're gonna express it. Which is a fun read. Bobby was for once, awesome. His character irritated me often, but seeing this writer take those character traits and re-shape them to be charming and more realistic in portrayal, does the character good. And Sam, although coming off like kind of a bully at the start, shines when Zeb shows how loyal he is to his friends. The NM have been through a lot of tragedy and it looks like Sam to all that really hard. Standing up for Illyana to both Anole and Amara shows that he's really protective of his team. As well as questioning Scott about sending in Xian and Dani into a blind mission. He's got them back now, and it seems like he's holding on for dear life.

I'd love to see Rahne re-join, but I'd love for her story in XForce to conclude properly though. Surely Yost didn't just bring her in to not utilize her? I'd be happy if the NM came in to take her home.

I can't wait to see how they re-introduce Doug. Judging by how he's drawn on the back cover (with the vein-like markings), it looks like he comes back physically altered too.

Overall, it was an exciting read. I'm really relieved this team is back. GenX, and NXM, although great books on their own, never really lived up to how awesome NM was. Can't wait for more. In the meantime, I'm gonna go read me some NM classics, cause this issue was that good.

ps-Yay! Magik's back!!:smile:

Prodigy55

05-09-2009, 10:59 PM

BTW: Marvel has already okayed a 2nd printing of this 1st issue.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0905/09/newmutants1.jpg

Unfortunately, the 2nd printing won't be out until June 3rd, to coincide with the 2nd issue.

Wow, that cover is hot! I like it better than the first print.

CmX

05-09-2009, 11:20 PM

That's a badass cover! I thought those panels were really neat in the issue.

cookepuss

05-09-2009, 11:25 PM

Great homage to Cassaday too.
http://www.just-marvel-x-men.com/image-files/astonishing-x-men-1-100k.jpg

RickyD410

05-10-2009, 04:14 AM

Great homage to Cassaday too.
http://www.just-marvel-x-men.com/image-files/astonishing-x-men-1-100k.jpg

Thats definitely the first thought that came to my head when reading the ish, after the quick shots of the team getting dressed, and then everyone walking out in costume.

NielsVanEekelen

05-10-2009, 05:19 AM

Well, I FINALLY read this, and I totally dug it. I've actually never read a single New Mutants issue before (until it turned into X-Force :wink:), but I'm glad I decided to give this series a shot. The interactions between Sam & Roberto and Amara & Illyana respectively were great fun. I'm definitely looking forward to #2.

I really can't recommend the New Mutants Classic TP's enough if you haven't read the original run!

I hope when can at least get an apperance of Wolvesbane sometime soon just so they can see how screwed up she has been getting since Scott put her on the killing team. Would be an interesting subplot about her freinds being worried about her and how she is acting.

Cyke gets a lot of deserved flak these days, but on this point--it's Rahne who wanted to be involved in the Purifier mission, because of her father. For the rest, I support your post!

Maestro

05-10-2009, 05:26 AM

Illyana is kinda badass in this issue. Surely she would be a good fit for X-Force. She could stab people with her Soulsword and let loose a little

worstblogever

05-10-2009, 05:40 AM

Illyana is kinda badass in this issue. Surely she would be a good fit for X-Force. She could stab people with her Soulsword and let loose a little

That would kind of be counterproductive to her redeeming her soul, though.

Twisted Bliss

05-10-2009, 05:57 AM

Ok. So I finally got hold of a copy.

What the Fudge is going on with Illyana ? Why do they have her sounding like Yoda?
Where is the clever, sassy, tough girl Illyana rather than this Blindfold wannabe version?

Hmmmm.... Illyana was and is my favourite character. But seeing her hiding behind Amara, sounding like she was offering to teach the ways of the Force she is was not my idea of Illyana Rasputin. Darkchilde. Magik.

I'm hung.

adeathinthefamily

05-10-2009, 06:22 AM

This was excellent.

Marvel better not cancel it, like they do with most everything else that doesn't star Wolverine.

Seres

05-10-2009, 07:41 AM

I'm hung.

Tell me about it, stud.

NielsVanEekelen

05-10-2009, 08:14 AM

That would kind of be counterproductive to her redeeming her soul, though.

Well, the same can be said about X-23's efforts in trying to become human rather than a mindless assassin...

I don't think Illyana would be a good fit in X-Force long-term, but if they're ever up against a mystical threat in a mission, Illyana would probably be fine with helping them. Plus, Kyle and Yost love her, that would help. :wink: (And you know what? I'd happily pay to see Illyana's variation on the X-Force uniform. :smile: )

Puunk

05-10-2009, 09:31 AM

This was excellent.

Marvel better not cancel it, like they do with most everything else that doesn't star Wolverine.

LOL! That's so true ...

I've never, ever read New Mutants before (with exception of the second volume, which features the characters later to be known as the New X-Men) but I still knew a lot about the older, original New Mutants. I have to admit, after reading this issue I love them as a team. Illyana's badass, Sam's freaking awesome. I didn't doubt the series one bit - Zeb Wells is an awesome writer; loved him ever since his Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways.

Blade X

05-10-2009, 10:20 AM

I finally read this issue and I thought it was pretty damn good.

I have only one complaint about this issue, Roberto being colored white. What the hell is up with that? Roberto is a Brazilian of mixed African and European descent (his father is black and his mother is white). In the past, he was always colored with a dark brown skin complexion, but in this issue he is colored white. I hope this is a coloring mistake and not an intentional editorial and creative decision.

The Lucky One

05-10-2009, 10:35 AM

That would kind of be counterproductive to her redeeming her soul, though.

It would also be kind of counterproductive to, y'know, winning fights. :wink:

Purifier: "Oh my God, this crazy blonde chick is swinging a huge sword at me and... and, uh, it... went right through me?"
Magik: "Yeah, I was just messin' with ya. The Soulsword only harms magical beings, it passes right through everyone else."
Purifier: "Oh. Cool." *aims gun*
Magik: "Whoops!"

-D

Blade X

05-10-2009, 10:57 AM

I haven't seen anyone use Berto in so long that it's hard to remember but he used to be fairly dark skinned and had curly curly hair.

It's just a nitpick but he was drawn that way for so long why screw it up? it seems very much like white washing if i didn't know better.

My feelings exactly. It does come off as "white washing". Again, I really hope this is an art and coloring mistake.

Blade X

05-10-2009, 11:11 AM

I do not really have a problem with Berto´s colour, as Brasilians come in all colours, shapes and... tastes...

That is true about MOST Latin American country's, as well as MOST African Americans. That being said, Roberto is one of the few comic book characters from a Latin American country who is drawn with some obvious black African features (Cecilia Reyes and Tag being the only other 2 characters that I can think of). Many people tend to forget or don't even know that their are many Latinos of black African descent and who have black African physical characteristics. In fact, Brazil has the 2nd largest population of black people of African descent in the world. So I don't think it is fair to always draw and color most Latino characters with only white and Native American features.

tunasammiches

05-10-2009, 11:38 AM

Twisted Bliss

05-10-2009, 11:40 AM

Tell me about it, stud.

I got chills, they're multiplying
and I'm loosing control
Cause the power you're supplying
Its ELECTRIFYING

Twisted Bliss

05-10-2009, 11:45 AM

I just assumed that Zeb was trying to give her a Russian accent? So her dialog was written like Colossus?

No something was off with Illyana in that. She had starey eyed madness thing going on. Before she creeped people out with her inherent evilness and overt bloodlust.
Now she seemed more like Brad Pitt in 'Twelve monkeys' coming from the future sounding all kkkkeeerrraaazzzyyyy.

I still don't get why she was hidng behind magma...I mean HELLO ! Girls fought the devil incarnate, and she's hiding behind Ms Batshit Crazy Magma.

That said I'm in awe of Zeb for putting the team together in a believable context. Still why didn't Illyana teleport them to Shan/Dani? Why'd they use a Jet ?

pariah-1972

05-10-2009, 11:45 AM

That is true about MOST Latin American country's, as well as MOST African Americans. That being said, Roberto is one of the few comic book characters from a Latin American country who is drawn with some obvious black African features (Cecilia Reyes and Tag being the only other 2 characters that I can think of). Many people tend to forget or don't even know that their are many Latinos of black African descent and who have black African physical characteristics. In fact, Brazil has the 2nd largest population of black people of African descent in the world. So I don't think it is fair to always draw and color most Latino characters with only white and Native American features.I have to agree it does a disservice to the character especially since it could open peoples eyes about different ethnicities like it did me when i first read New Mutants i didn't know anything about Brazil cept it was in south america.

Of course it could be confusing for some people since his mother was white but then some mixed people can be just as dark skinned as regular african americans.

pariah-1972

05-10-2009, 11:48 AM

No something was off with Illyana in that. She had starey eyed madness thing going on. Before she creeped people out with her inherent evilness and overt bloodlust.
Now she seemed more like Brad Pitt in 'Twelve monkeys' coming from the future sounding all kkkkeeerrraaazzzyyyy.

I still don't get why she was hidng behind magma...I mean HELLO ! Girls fought the devil incarnate, and she's hiding behind Ms Batshit Crazy Magma.

That said I'm in awe of Zeb for putting the team together in a believable context. Still why didn't Illyana teleport them to Shan/Dani? Why'd they use a Jet ?Amara is not crazy but she does have a handfull of issues.

Which compard to most of the others makes her seem relatively normal.

lobsterj

05-10-2009, 11:50 AM

I hope Bird Brain shows up.

Hakael

05-10-2009, 11:56 AM

I hope Bird Brain shows up.

i'm hoping this is some funny joke... because if it is, I laughed. If it isnt...

blackphoenix

05-10-2009, 04:00 PM

I loved this book. What was up with that look between Magik and Magma? Don't tell me there's something lesbianic going on there...or was that about Empath?
PLEASE let Magik butcher the New X-men losers. They all suck so hard and only seem to exist to be killed off in the latest mega X-over of the month.
Legion.....*sigh* I really hate these mega-powerful characters noone can beat. If I was on the team, I'd just say, "Eff it, man, I give up. You're frickin' unbeatable" and get Illyana to teleport me to Alpha Centuri....
MAGIK....*drools* I have been in love with her ever since I read the New Mutants Special#1 where she was in a white bikini and the team got abducted to Asgard. I am so glad she's back. I wish Doctor Strange would take her as an apprentice to train her in the usage of her magickal powers. I wonder where the rest of her soul is?
I hope Dani gets re-empowered. Now that Asgard is back, she could at least get her Valkyrie powers back. Is Warlock and Wolfsbane going to be in this series? I thought Rahne was in X-Force now....

EDIT: No Bird Brain!!!! That Ani-mutants thing was the stupidest thing to ever happen in the old series.

blackphoenix

05-10-2009, 04:04 PM

That is true about MOST Latin American country's, as well as MOST African Americans. That being said, Roberto is one of the few comic book characters from a Latin American country who is drawn with some obvious black African features (Cecilia Reyes and Tag being the only other 2 characters that I can think of). Many people tend to forget or don't even know that their are many Latinos of black African descent and who have black African physical characteristics. In fact, Brazil has the 2nd largest population of black people of African descent in the world. So I don't think it is fair to always draw and color most Latino characters with only white and Native American features.

'Berto's skin coloration seems to change every few months. I always thought of him as a Black Brazillian like Roberto Clemente(baseball player) or Sammy Sosa.

marvell2100

05-10-2009, 06:16 PM

My feelings exactly. It does come off as "white washing". Again, I really hope this is an art and coloring mistake.

I was wondering about that. Does 'Berto have the Michael Jackson disease? He looks more Native American than Brazillian. Otherwise the art is good and the story ok, so far. I thought it would have been cool if some of the other new mutants had left with them. Why bother to even show them if you're not going to use them that much if at all. They're obviously not busy.

marvell2100

05-10-2009, 06:18 PM

That is true about MOST Latin American country's, as well as MOST African Americans. That being said, Roberto is one of the few comic book characters from a Latin American country who is drawn with some obvious black African features (Cecilia Reyes and Tag being the only other 2 characters that I can think of). Many people tend to forget or don't even know that their are many Latinos of black African descent and who have black African physical characteristics. In fact, Brazil has the 2nd largest population of black people of African descent in the world. So I don't think it is fair to always draw and color most Latino characters with only white and Native American features.

Hell 'Berto should be darker just from the time he would have spent on the beaches in Brazil.

That JonoGuy

05-10-2009, 06:44 PM

Was Roberto lighter as well during the Young X-Men series?

SayOcean

05-10-2009, 06:59 PM

hell yeah.....its a conspiracy I tells ya......sunspot and M are slowly becoming white

That JonoGuy

05-10-2009, 07:04 PM

It could be that the colorist thinks he is just Brazilian, and doesn't know about his mixed background.

That JonoGuy

05-10-2009, 07:06 PM

Not all do. Here in NYC, at Jim Hanley's Universe specifically, they don't. They order a lot of copies of everything since they're practically the Target of LCS', but they don't have pull lists. Many stores don't. They can't afford to hold stuff for one customer if another one is willing to pay now.

BTW: Marvel has already okayed a 2nd printing of this 1st issue.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0905/09/newmutants1.jpg

Unfortunately, the 2nd printing won't be out until June 3rd, to coincide with the 2nd issue.

They chose well for the 2nd printing cover.

marvell2100

05-10-2009, 07:06 PM

Someone inform the colorist immediately! Don't they know about Wikipedia?

SayOcean

05-10-2009, 07:11 PM

Someone inform the colorist immediately! Don't they know about Wikipedia?I know right or give a copy of a NM(vol 1) book......that wouldnt be hard would it?

marvell2100

05-10-2009, 07:26 PM

I know right or give a copy of a NM(vol 1) book......that wouldnt be hard would it?

Any issue of the original NM between #1 and #100 would have provided excellent clues to 'Berto's skin pigmentation.

SayOcean

05-10-2009, 07:30 PM

Any issue of the original NM between #1 and #100 would have provided excellent clues to 'Berto's skin pigmentation.I know see this makes me thing 1) the colorist/artist or whatever has never seen a picture of Sunspot from the original NM book (which is crazy) or 2) the colorist/artist chose to make sunspot that light (which is even crazier)

marvell2100

05-10-2009, 07:32 PM

I know see this makes me thing 1) the colorist/artist or whatever has never seen a picture of Sunspot from the original NM book (which is crazy) or 2) the colorist/artist chose to make sunspot that light (which is even crazier)

Option #2. They just don't seem to give a fig.

Aguja

05-10-2009, 07:32 PM

It could be that the colorist thinks he is just Brazilian, and doesn't know about his mixed background.

Well Brazilian skin tones are very diverse. I'm assuming the colorists are just going with what they see in TV and media, which usually only depicts the lightest skinned Brazilians. Which would be fine if that was how Berto was depicted from the start. But this Michael Jackson treatment is troubling now.

Blade X

05-10-2009, 09:13 PM

It could be that the colorist thinks he is just Brazilian, and doesn't know about his mixed background.

Again, most Brazilians (like most AA's) are of mixed racial ancestry. The difference between Brazil (as well as other Latin American country's and cultures) and America when it comes to which person belongs to which race is SOLELY based on skin color. In Brazil, if a child of two dark skinned black parents comes out looking white, that kid is considered white, but in America that kid would still be considered black (unless said kid came from either a Latin American country or culture). Like I said in an earlier post, Brazil has the 2nd largest population of black people of African descent in the world (about 40 million), and that's only counting those Brazilians who claim or are categorized (by Brazilian standards) to be black.

Blade X

05-10-2009, 09:23 PM

I know right or give a copy of a NM(vol 1) book......that wouldnt be hard would it?

Better yet, we should try to find pictures of a properly drawn and colored Roberto and either post them in this thread or on a brand new thread for editors,the artist, and the colorist to see.

If that don't work, I say we start a thread in the LYING IN THE GUTTERS forum with the thread title "WHAT'S MARVEL GOT AGAINST BLACK CHARACTERS OF BLACK AFRICAN DESCENT".

Yearning4Yorick

05-10-2009, 09:29 PM

I think it's clear to anyone reading these books, Marvel hates black people.

Blade X

05-10-2009, 09:42 PM

I think it's clear to anyone reading these books, Marvel hates black people.

Sarcasm does not become you.:smile:

Seriously, I don't think Marvel hates black people or black characters. I just think that they don't give a damn about or put much stock in their black characters of African descent. I also strongly believe that they WRONGLY believe black comic book readers of black African descent make up a very tiny to non existent portion of their readership.

Hi-Fi

05-10-2009, 09:48 PM

Roberto is not black. He's mixed. His mother is caucasian.

Hell 'Berto should be darker just from the time he would have spent on the beaches in Brazil.
I'm brazilian, I live in Rio, right in front of a beach and I couldn't be more white. So, you know, it's not always that... black and white.

That said, yes, Roberto's color is all wrong in this. He should have darker skin.

Yearning4Yorick

05-10-2009, 10:01 PM

Sarcasm does not become you.:smile:

Seriously, I don't think Marvel hates black people or black characters. I just think that they don't give a damn about or put much stock in their black characters of African descent. I also strongly believe that they believe black comic book readers of black African descent make up a very tiny to non existent portion of their readership.

I can't disagree with you there, I don't think it leads to an intentional shorting of African related characters, but since they aren't trying to play to the demographic if something gets missed, eh.

Blade X

05-10-2009, 10:04 PM

Roberto is not black. He's mixed. His mother is caucasian.

Being mixed makes him both black and white.

Blade X

05-10-2009, 10:08 PM

I can't disagree with you there, I don't think it leads to an intentional shorting of African related characters, but since they aren't trying to play to the demographic if something gets missed, eh.

You would think that most creators and editors (who consider themselves to be very liberal) would be more aware and enlightened about this kind of stuff.

Prodigy55

05-10-2009, 10:10 PM

I think being mixed makes you mixed. But yeah, colorists make characters different shades all the time, it's not really a big deal (for me at least).

Maestro

05-10-2009, 10:16 PM

can we bitch about something else, now? PLEASE?

Yearning4Yorick

05-10-2009, 10:21 PM

You would think that most creators and editors (who consider themselves to be very liberal) would be more aware and enlightened about this kind of stuff.

I think it's just an editing, it's not like you have Zeb Wells or PAD telling colorists to color them like that, I think it's just something that is easily skipped over.

Blade X

05-10-2009, 10:29 PM

I think it's just an editing, it's not like you have Zeb Wells or PAD telling colorists to color them like that, I think it's just something that is easily skipped over.

I was speaking in general and not specifically about this coloring "error".

Blade X

05-10-2009, 10:34 PM

can we bitch about something else, now? PLEASE?

OK, I'm mad that Wolfsbane isn't on this team. I also want Cypher,Warlock,Boom Boom (resurrect her damn it),Warpath,Rictor,Shatterstar,Risque (resurrect her to damn it)and Jessie Bedlam to join this team.

Anna

05-10-2009, 10:45 PM

Darkchylde

05-11-2009, 12:01 AM

OK, I'm mad that Wolfsbane isn't on this team. I also want Cypher,Warlock,Boom Boom (resurrect her damn it),Warpath,Rictor,Shatterstar,Risque (resurrect her to damn it)and Jessie Bedlam to join this team.

Then, with the exception of Cypher, Warlock and Boom Boom, what we have is X-Force redux. Again.

No thanks, I'm quite happy with the seminal New Mutants starring in their own monthly again. The occasional visit from former allies is great, but this book is about Sam, Dani, Xi'an, Roberto, Amara, and Illyana (and maybe Rahne, Doug, and Warlock).

RickyD410

05-11-2009, 04:23 AM

I also wanna know if C&C have any longterm plans for Rahne in X-Force. She hasnt really been up to much after the very first arc.

Warlock and Doug I think are coming in, just because of the back cover to the Adam Kubert cover.

Boom Boom might be saved! Who knows how Messiah War will end. X-23 marked the spot where they travelled to. If they can make it back to that spot, then they will jump back to the same time they came from (in theory).

The Lucky One

05-11-2009, 06:29 AM

Great homage to Cassaday too.

Didn't Cassaday, in turn, borrow it from The Right Stuff? Pretty sure that's where that scene is from.

Warlock and Doug I think are coming in, just because of the back cover to the Adam Kubert cover.

Beyond that, Wells pretty much confirmed in the New Mutants Spotlight issue that Warlock will be appearing during the first year, and I think elsewhere has said he'll be in the second story arc. As for Doug, it's been so heavily hinted lately (including in the Spotlight) that I'm sure he'll be back in some form or another before long.

-D

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 09:10 AM

Anyone know/have an idea about how long the first arc will be?

As for the accusation that Illyana was 'hiding' behind Amara, on the second to last page, I disagree. Of course.

Illyana is no coward. I believe she was bending down to see 'Shan' getting out of her mini-prison.
I mean, she tore through that house in the beginning, fought off a total stranger and busted down a door, rather assertively.
I stand by my opinion that she was merely bent down to see.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 09:13 AM

Then, with the exception of Cypher, Warlock and Boom Boom, what we have is X-Force redux. Again.

No thanks, I'm quite happy with the seminal New Mutants starring in their own monthly again. The occasional visit from former allies is great, but this book is about Sam, Dani, Xi'an, Roberto, Amara, and Illyana (and maybe Rahne, Doug, and Warlock).

AGREED.
Its amazing that after ONE issue, fans are already insistent on making alterations, especially after the positive reactions it's already gotten.
Well Done Zeb Wells!

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 09:13 AM

Well, i think Zeb Wells mentioned that Illyana is going to be around the same age as the other teammates.

I hate convoluting a character more but that might need to happen. She deserves to be on equal terms with her teammates. She already is in terms of power and fighting. However, she doesn't need to be the scrapper of the team. Being the Molly of the crew doesn't fit her.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 09:24 AM

There was a previous post disapproving of Illyana's speech patterns (?) that I don't quite understand.

Some comparison between her and Yoda?? That's ridiculous.
She doesn't sound like Yoda.
It's all in how you read what she says. Where to make the appropriate pauses.

If I may:

"I can cure him, you know.
What Pixie does with her soul dagger, I can undo.
Would you like me to?"

"No... You like him helpless, I think.
Still.
I will help him if you ask.
It can be our little secret."

Understandably, none of these words were in bold in the issue, but I chose to put them in bold to accent them to show how I read this exchange. I feel like Illyana would have put some emphasis on some of these words to make what she was saying, that much more powerful to Amara. Taunting her in a way. Not rattling it all over in one sentence ala Yoda.

Fatguy

05-11-2009, 10:57 AM

In my head I had Illyana sounding like that weird little blonde girl from the last Harry Potter movie. Kind of monotone/soft and eccentric. I dug it.

Scavenger

05-11-2009, 11:56 AM

Illyana is kinda badass in this issue. Surely she would be a good fit for X-Force. She could stab people with her Soulsword and let loose a little

Wouldn't do much good...Soulsword doesn't hurt non-magical beings.

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 11:59 AM

Wouldn't do much good...Soulsword doesn't hurt non-magical beings.

Well if Pixie's soul spork can cause blindness, short circuit cyborgs, and rip open chests of blue furry elves, Illyana's sword must have another power feat or two!

lockerogue

05-11-2009, 12:03 PM

I haven't gotten the issue but Pixie caused Empath to go blind. BITCH!

Scavenger

05-11-2009, 12:04 PM

Well if Pixie's soul spork can cause blindness, short circuit cyborgs, and rip open chests of blue furry elves, Illyana's sword must have another power feat or two!

Illyanna can't even dream of matching the glory of PIXIE!!! PIXIE IS TEH BOMB!
Why, this exchange from the cartoon sums up teh awesome that is PIXIE!

Pixie: I have glowing wings!
Nightcrawler: Uh...right.

..AWESOME!

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 12:06 PM

Pixie is the next Herald of Galactus.

Scavenger

05-11-2009, 12:25 PM

Pixie is the next Herald of Galactus.

Pixie is the next BOSS of Galactus!

Blade X

05-11-2009, 12:32 PM

Then, with the exception of Cypher, Warlock and Boom Boom, what we have is X-Force redux. Again.

Which was New Mutants with a grim and gritty 90's edge and a new name. While I agree with you that adding the characters I mentioned to the team roster makes this book seem like an X-Force redux, it doesn't have to be X-Force all over again if the writer doesn't take the book in that particular direction. Heck, this series is more of a clone of X-Men, then it is like the original NEW MUTANTS series. If this book is to stand apart from the other X-books and be unique, it needs to have it's own direction regardless of who is on the team roster.

Azure

05-11-2009, 12:34 PM

Illyanna can't even dream of matching the glory of PIXIE!!! PIXIE IS TEH BOMB!
Why, this exchange from the cartoon sums up teh awesome that is PIXIE!

Pixie: I have glowing wings!
Nightcrawler: Uh...right.

..AWESOME!

Pixie is the next Herald of Galactus.

Pixie is the next BOSS of Galactus!

I like the way this thread is heading.

Pixie is a great character, and she and Magik are going to become fast friends and then stab Nightcrawler repeatedly for little apparent reason. It will be glorious!

Anna

05-11-2009, 12:39 PM

If RQ used magic to bind Empath to her, it's possible that Pixie disrupted that causing the blindness.

Anyone remember Igor Kordey's chubby freckle faced short haired Illyana?

NielsVanEekelen

05-11-2009, 01:05 PM

In my head I had Illyana sounding like that weird little blonde girl from the last Harry Potter movie. Kind of monotone/soft and eccentric. I dug it.

Hehehe. Illyana as Luna? I'm going to have to reread the issue with that in mind. :smile:

Wouldn't do much good...Soulsword doesn't hurt non-magical beings.

That's what she used to say regularly, but the effects of the Soulsword are one of the more inconsistent things in her not entirely consistent history.

Anyone remember Igor Kordey's chubby freckle faced short haired Illyana?

In Kitty's mind in God Loves, Man Kills II? Yes. Yes, I do. :smile:

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 01:11 PM

Which was New Mutants with a grim and gritty 90's edge and a new name. While I agree with you that adding the characters I mentioned to the team roster makes this book seem like an X-Force redux, it doesn't have to be X-Force all over again if the writer doesn't take the book in that particular direction. Heck, this series is more of a clone of X-Men, then it is like the original NEW MUTANTS series. If this book is to stand apart from the other X-books and be unique, it needs to have it's own direction regardless of who is on the team roster.

AGAIN with the conclusion-jumping.
ONE issue gang! ONE! And everyone has already begun making their "this book should" claims or "this book is" statements.
At LEAST wait for issue 2, or even better, 3 to start categorizing this wonderful wonderful god-send of a book.

The Black Guardian

05-11-2009, 01:17 PM

Pixie should not be mentioned in this thread, unless it's in reference to how awful and ungrateful she is.

Scavenger

05-11-2009, 01:19 PM

In my head I had Illyana sounding like that weird little blonde girl from the last Harry Potter movie. Kind of monotone/soft and eccentric. I dug it.

Possibly...once Luna learns to love latex and handcuffs and stuff.
Illyana has less of a head in the clouds vibe to her voice than a I can destroy your world and leave you begging for more vibe.

Pixie should not be mentioned in this thread, unless it's in reference to how awful and ungrateful she is.

Pixie should be mentioned in every thread! And she should be in every book! and when she's not there, people should stand around talking about how great Pixie is !!!

Maestro

05-11-2009, 01:37 PM

This issue had like four variants. I hope it sells pretty good and lasts longer than Young X-Men did

NielsVanEekelen

05-11-2009, 01:52 PM

This issue had like four variants. I hope it sells pretty good and lasts longer than Young X-Men did

With the second print coming now, that makes five! (And my store only had two--don't know if I should be sad or relieved, because I would've bought them all.)

Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/050911-BestShots.html) has a review up (C'mon, CBR! What's keeping yours?) and it pretty much mirrors this thread: "Everything about this comic is excellent! The writing! The art! Only, why is Bobby so pale?"

Blade X

05-11-2009, 02:11 PM

AGAIN with the conclusion-jumping.
ONE issue gang! ONE! And everyone has already begun making their "this book should" claims or "this book is" statements.
At LEAST wait for issue 2, or even better, 3 to start categorizing this wonderful wonderful god-send of a book.

Well I can also say that you're jumping to conclusions as well when you make statements like "wonderful wonderful god-send of a book" after just reading the first issue of this series.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 02:47 PM

Well I can also say that you're jumping to conclusions as well when you make statements like "wonderful wonderful god-send of a book" after just reading the first issue of this series.

I'm sorry.
But I only used those words to illustrate my enthusiasm. I've been waiting for Illyana to return to the X-Men-proper for years and years so technically, regardless of how well the book turned out, I would still consider this book to be a wonderful wonderful god-send of a book, for me personally, simply because she will be one of the main cast members.
If she's in it, the book wins, for me. I'm just happy issue 1 turned out to be a good read as well. Its a bonus.

But you are correct. I'm being hypocritical.
I'll do my best to resist crying wolf further. Sorry Blade X.:smile:

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 03:10 PM

Uhm i will go there.

X-Force and New Mutants were two very different things. The only thing they had in common were a couple characters who were in both series.

The theme of this book deales with characters who have been friends since their early teenage years who realize that they still work together great....as family and as a superhero team. Thematically...the classic members of the New Mutants work for this.

If the theme of the book ever turns into girthy dick-gun bonanza time, the members of X-Force should be considered.

Prodigy55

05-11-2009, 03:11 PM

If the theme of the book ever turns into girthy dick-gun bonanza time, the members of X-Force should be considered.

Have you seen the issue 3 cover!?

Fatguy

05-11-2009, 03:13 PM

What's a "Dick-gun", and are they available on Ebay?

That JonoGuy

05-11-2009, 03:13 PM

I don't buy that. The members of X-Force forged strong bonds much the same as the New Mutants did. The difference was in their purpose, not really in the team itself.

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 03:15 PM

If You are talking about Rob's run......i'd disagree. Those issues were flash, guns, bad hair, and body parts.

Yes i saw the issue 3 cover. Love Dani. Still doesn't justify this book morphing into an X-Force reunion.

Maestro

05-11-2009, 03:23 PM

New Mutants vs. X-Force, who would win

Prodigy55

05-11-2009, 03:24 PM

I'm just kidding about the issue 3 cover lol.

But I have to admit, I would kill for an X-Force return... but not early X-Force or Counter X nonsense, 70-101 only.

Jack Flash

05-11-2009, 03:25 PM

darknessatnoon

05-11-2009, 03:34 PM

marvell2100

05-11-2009, 03:38 PM

New Mutants vs. X-Force, who would win

Which X-Force? Milligan and Allred's X-Force would kick everybody's butt.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 03:41 PM

i think I would really like Muholland Driver if he wasn't such an X-terminator-ist, X-Force-aphobe!

Boom Boom, Rictor, Skids and Rusty have just as much right to the name as the other New Muties. And there wasn't a deliniation between them.

I suspect those who oppose the X-forc-ification of this title (i.e. adding skids, rusty, etc) is merely their desire for focus to remain on the characters whose names are originally associated with the title of 'new mutants'.

BoomBoom, Rictor, Skids, and Rusty are all great characters (I don't even know where the last two ended up) but I too would prefer the cast remain as is for a while. But I'd enjoy them running into those later-additions along the way in some stories.

Aguja

05-11-2009, 03:41 PM

X-Force were trash in relation to the New Mutants. Fine, only Boom Boom was trash. As long as she stays a rotting corpse, I don't care what other X-Force members pop up in this title.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 03:41 PM

Never apologize to Blade X.

you frighten me.

darknessatnoon

05-11-2009, 03:47 PM

you frighten me.

Would Illyana be frightened?

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 03:48 PM

unlikely.:wink:

darknessatnoon

05-11-2009, 03:52 PM

Illyana is a wuss.

All it takes to distract her is a milk carton.

Blade X

05-11-2009, 03:53 PM

I'm sorry.
But I only used those words to illustrate my enthusiasm. I've been waiting for Illyana to return to the X-Men-proper for years and years so technically, regardless of how well the book turned out, I would still consider this book to be a wonderful wonderful god-send of a book, for me personally, simply because she will be one of the main cast members.
If she's in it, the book wins, for me. I'm just happy issue 1 turned out to be a good read as well. Its a bonus.

But you are correct. I'm being hypocritical.
I'll do my best to resist crying wolf further. Sorry Blade X.:smile:

There's no need to apologize. You're very passionate about a book that you enjoy and you don't want to see it morphed into something that you might not enjoy. Like you and many others on this thread, I don't want to see this book become X-FORCE PART DUH. However, I do want to see the team roster expanded with the characters I listed (as well as brand new characters) without this book turning into another grim and gritty X-Force redux.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 03:54 PM

Illyana is a wuss.

All it takes to distract her is a milk carton.

You ARE a milk carton.

GASP! <cowers>

Aguja

05-11-2009, 03:54 PM

Illyana is a wuss.

All it takes to distract her is a milk carton.

She really hasn't been the same since Pixie supplanted her as sorceress supreme of the X-Men.

darknessatnoon

05-11-2009, 03:56 PM

She really hasn't been the same since Pixie supplanted her as sorceress supreme of the X-Men.

If Illyana can't hack it, Amanda Sefton is always available as a replacement.

Aguja

05-11-2009, 03:56 PM

OMG Amanda <3 to me she will always be the real Magik.

Blade X

05-11-2009, 03:57 PM

Never apologize to Blade X.

I'm deeply hurt.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 04:00 PM

If Illyana can't hack it, Amanda Sefton is always available as a replacement.

I will say that it IS rather alarming to me how many characters have been put in the 'temp position' for Magik during all her existence pre and post death.

I do wonder why that is.
I'm hoping her ressurection is the editorial staff's eye opener that replacements do not work.
Although great characters in their own right, they ought not mimic Ms.Rasputin and stick with their own talents/appeal. Please and thank you.

Scavenger

05-11-2009, 04:03 PM

Although great characters in their own right, they ought not mimic Ms.Rasputin and stick with their own talents/appeal. Please and thank you.

Right! Amanda has a brother she should be off boffin'!

Pixie_Solanas

05-11-2009, 04:08 PM

OMG Amanda <3 to me she will always be the real Magik.

Amanda Sefton has more win in her character than this entire roster of New Mutants.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 04:11 PM

Amanda Sefton has more win in her character than this entire roster of New Mutants.

I suppose that's why she wasn't included on the team...
She's too good for them....?.....uh.......?

no.

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 04:15 PM

i think I would really like Muholland Driver if he wasn't such an X-terminator-ist, X-Force-aphobe!

Boom Boom, Rictor, Skids and Rusty have just as much right to the name as the other New Muties. And there wasn't a deliniation between them.

You don't have to like me. Your avatar brings infinite love from the loins of my heart. Yes, hearts have loins. May i dip You?

As for the topic at hand....the New Mutants went from this glorious team....

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z202/half-yeti/50570-new-mutants_400.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/dstorres/Marvel%20Universe/X-Verse%20Teams/NewMutantsVol1.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o279/anansi4/181219-197778-new-mutants_super.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o279/anansi4/newmutants-1.jpg

(CONT)

Seres

05-11-2009, 04:16 PM

X-Force were trash in relation to the New Mutants. Fine, only Boom Boom was trash. As long as she stays a rotting corpse, I don't care what other X-Force members pop up in this title.

I now find myself hoping that Chimera will be killed by Wolverine.

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 04:18 PM

To these pezheads....

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o279/anansi4/731726-boom_boom_010b_super.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o279/anansi4/skids.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o279/anansi4/2523922595_6920443f08.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o279/anansi4/215269-69230-rictor_super.jpg

i believe each image, from both posts, speaks for itself

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 04:20 PM

Oh my M.D.
ha ha ha
You WOULD find the worst images of the X-terminators to make a comparison like this. ha ha ha

I agree, of course, but still funny.

sunofdarkchild

05-11-2009, 04:20 PM

Amanda Sefton has more win in her character than this entire roster of New Mutants.

Hell, no!

Seriously, what good stories has she been in, especially as Magik 2? Black Sun was terrible, X-Men Magik wasn't any better.

Not to mention that Illyana and the average New Mutant each have several times the personality Amanda does. She loves/lies to Nightcrawler and occasionally manipulates people to her own ends. That's all she's ever done.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 04:23 PM

Hell, no!

Seriously, what good stories has she been in, especially as Magik 2? Black Sun was terrible, X-Men Magik wasn't any better.

Not to mention that Illyana and the average New Mutant each have several times the personality Amanda does. She loves/lies to Nightcrawler and occasionally manipulates people to her own ends. That's all she's ever done.

Oh no!
sunofadarkchild ....don't provoke the uber-fanz!
Give them their moment and hopefully they'll disappear like Amanda has seemingly done.... oops.:wink:

sunofdarkchild

05-11-2009, 04:30 PM

Oh no!
sunofadarkchild ....don't provoke the uber-fanz!
Give them their moment and hopefully they'll disappear like Amanda has seemingly done.... oops.:wink:

Sorry...

Changing subjects! When looking at the New Mutants 3 cover, did the Terminator 2 song go through anyone else's head?

Scavenger

05-11-2009, 04:32 PM

Oh no!
sunofadarkchild ....don't provoke the uber-fanz!
Give them their moment and hopefully they'll disappear like Amanda has seemingly done.... oops.:wink:

Amanda and Illyanna always got along. There's no reason you can't like both!
(granted the only time I remember them doing stuff together was against the Dire Wraiths, but that was cool!)

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 04:35 PM

Sorry...

Changing subjects! When looking at the New Mutants 3 cover, did the Terminator 2 song go through anyone else's head?

If Greg Land were tracing..he woulda used Linda Hamilton for that image.

Pixie_Solanas

05-11-2009, 04:38 PM

To these pezheads....

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o279/anansi4/skids.jpg

i believe each image, from both posts, speaks for itself

That outfit may be one of the worst ever.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 04:39 PM

If Greg Land were tracing..he woulda used Linda Hamilton for that image.

I quiver in fear at the notion that someday, Land may draw Illyana.

Prodigy55

05-11-2009, 04:44 PM

That outfit may be one of the worst ever.

I really like it actually.

Pixie_Solanas

05-11-2009, 04:49 PM

I really like it actually.

The proportions are all off : high-waisted tights in a primary color, short floppy boots, and a cropped, loose-fit jacket?

sunofdarkchild

05-11-2009, 04:59 PM

Amanda and Illyanna always got along. There's no reason you can't like both!
(granted the only time I remember them doing stuff together was against the Dire Wraiths, but that was cool!)

Us Illyana fans dislike Amanda for lying to Shadowcat and making her give up the last piece of her best friends' soul. Amanda was also much better (although still npthing special) as Daytripper than as Magik. Shoehorning her into the role was a major editorial mistake, which I think Marvel realized, as there were virtually no stories with her this decade.

sunofdarkchild

05-11-2009, 05:01 PM

The proportions are all off : high-waisted tights in a primary color, short floppy boots, and a cropped, loose-fit jacket?

It looks like she's being squeezed in 2 above her waist. That's gotta hurt.

That JonoGuy

05-11-2009, 05:04 PM

I really like it actually.

I agree. It isn't that bad. It was the 80's after all.

Pixie_Solanas

05-11-2009, 05:12 PM

I agree. It isn't that bad. It was the 80's after all.

That's no excuse. Some of the best fashion ever came from the 80s

That JonoGuy

05-11-2009, 05:14 PM

That's no excuse. Some of the best fashion ever came from the 80s

I wasn't using the 80's as an excuse.

Prodigy55

05-11-2009, 05:18 PM

I think with a different artist it could look better, right now her waist is too thin and high.

psycwave

05-11-2009, 05:21 PM

Will Skids be featured in this title?!

That JonoGuy

05-11-2009, 05:22 PM

Will Skids be featured in this title?!

I don't know about featured, but my guess is that she will be making an appearance some time.

Jack Flash

05-11-2009, 05:22 PM

terrible costumes are part of their charm!

NielsVanEekelen

05-11-2009, 05:28 PM

If Illyana can't hack it, Amanda Sefton is always available as a replacement.

Down with the pretender!*

*) I actually liked Amanda just fine, up until she thought she could replace Illyana.

Wait, actually the whole Nightcrawler ongoing where she was still ruling Limbo rocked, too. But she remains a filthy pretender.

Us Illyana fans dislike Amanda for lying to Shadowcat and making her give up the last piece of her best friends' soul.

And this too. Evil!

Dagger

05-11-2009, 05:29 PM

pariah-1972

05-11-2009, 05:35 PM

all you Louise Simonson Haters are going to rot in hell someday:evilangry:

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 05:37 PM

You guys are haters! Skids, Ric, Tabby and Rusty all deserve their fair share of Muties love! Sure, they were added to the team because Louise Simonson couldn't write the originals, but hey! They weren't all that bad! Especially Skids<3<3

You're right.
Buncha haters!!
Those characters are fantastic! So fantastic they deserve THEIR OWN TITLE.
Yes! Give them a book of their own and let them shine WITHOUT Sam, Roberto, Amara, Dani and Illyana.
Yes!

see what I did there?:wink:

Dagger

05-11-2009, 05:40 PM

You're right.
Buncha haters!!
Those characters are fantastic! So fantastic they deserve THEIR OWN TITLE.
Yes! Give them a book of their own and let them shine WITHOUT Sam, Roberto, Amara, Dani and Illyana.
Yes!

see what I did there?:wink:
But why? I don't think they should have to have their own title. They don't have to become permanent cast members here, but they deserve to hang with their friends.

Jack Flash

05-11-2009, 05:44 PM

Jim Crowe Must Go!

Seperate but equal does not work! snobby originalists!

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 05:44 PM

But why? I don't think they should have to have their own title. They don't have to become permanent cast members here, but they deserve to hang with their friends.

Okay okay...howz about around issue 40 they have a New Mutants Special and they can all go on vacay together and just happen to come across a disaster that needs fixing or people that need saving.

I'm sorry Dagger. I'm with the majority on this one. I am looking forward to the cast already set so far.
I love your avatar though. Hot!

psycwave

05-11-2009, 05:46 PM

I only want two things for this book. Warlock and Skids.

Maestro

05-11-2009, 05:46 PM

But why? I don't think they should have to have their own title. They don't have to become permanent cast members here, but they deserve to hang with their friends.

You know who deserves to hang out with their friends? Kitty. Illyana should go back to Limbo and ask whats-his-face for a favor

Fatguy

05-11-2009, 05:47 PM

You're right.
Buncha haters!!
Those characters are fantastic! So fantastic they deserve THEIR OWN TITLE.
Yes! Give them a book of their own and let them shine WITHOUT Sam, Roberto, Amara, Dani and Illyana.
Yes!

see what I did there?:wink:

You're taking this all very strangely....additions to the cast dont = subtractions from the cast.

Also, just to keep things realistic here, Skid/Rusty/Boom Boom etc. arent much lower on the totem pole than Sunspot/Magik/Danni whoever. They're all on the same D list.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 05:47 PM

You know who deserves to hang out with their friends? Kitty. Illyana should go back to Limbo and ask whats-his-face for a favor

too funny.
I will be greatly anticipating/hoping for a Kitty/Yana reunion...I suspect for a very long time.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 05:51 PM

You're taking this all very strangely....additions to the cast dont = subtractions from the cast.

Also, just to keep things realistic here, Skid/Rusty/Boom Boom etc. arent much lower on the totem pole than Sunspot/Magik/Danni whoever. They're all on the same D list.

That's a matter of opinion.
For myself, if the New Mutants are being put in the Alpha-categorizing...
(I assume Cyclops, Emma, etc = A list)
Then Dani and Magik rate at LEAST C list for being ORIGINAL members.

Scavenger

05-11-2009, 05:52 PM

all you Louise Simonson Haters are going to rot in hell someday:evilangry:

I liked Louise elsewhere. I thought she wrote adults (X-Factor) well and kids (Power Pack) well...it was her teens that weren't any good.

Aguja

05-11-2009, 05:52 PM

I now find myself hoping that Chimera will be killed by Wolverine.

:frown: That is cold.

I'm sorry. I still love Darkstar though.

Scavenger

05-11-2009, 05:53 PM

too funny.
I will be greatly anticipating/hoping for a Kitty/Yana reunion...I suspect for a very long time.

DON'T SAY THAT!

As soon as WoK is over, Rachel and Illyana are teaming up to save Kitty! BELIEVE IT!

pariah-1972

05-11-2009, 06:03 PM

I liked Louise elsewhere. I thought she wrote adults (X-Factor) well and kids (Power Pack) well...it was her teens that weren't any good.Have you read her Mystic Arcana one shot with Magik?

She only had half an issue to tell with just Magick and Dani and she nailed it .

pariah-1972

05-11-2009, 06:04 PM

double post.

Dagger

05-11-2009, 06:12 PM

Okay okay...howz about around issue 40 they have a New Mutants Special and they can all go on vacay together and just happen to come across a disaster that needs fixing or people that need saving.

I'm sorry Dagger. I'm with the majority on this one. I am looking forward to the cast already set so far.
I love your avatar though. Hot!
Ugh. This is when affirmative action would come in handy.
You know who deserves to hang out with their friends? Kitty. Illyana should go back to Limbo and ask whats-his-face for a favor
I'd be all for that. I loves me some Kitty.

tunasammiches

05-11-2009, 06:16 PM

I really like it actually.

I really like it too.

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 06:33 PM

You're taking this all very strangely....additions to the cast dont = subtractions from the cast.

Also, just to keep things realistic here, Skid/Rusty/Boom Boom etc. arent much lower on the totem pole than Sunspot/Magik/Danni whoever. They're all on the same D list.

Illyana's X-Infernus sold quite well. The first cover had only her on it, no Wolverine or Cyclops for support. No...having "X-Men" in the title wasn't the seller...since other mini's with "X-Men" in it didn't sell as well (specifically Worlds Apart..which i really enjoyed).

Would an X-Men mini with only Skids or Rusty on it sell as well?

Fatguy

05-11-2009, 06:39 PM

Illyana's X-Infernus sold quite well. The first cover had only her on it, no Wolverine or Cyclops for support. No...having "X-Men" in the title wasn't the seller...since other mini's with "X-Men" in it didn't sell as well (specifically Worlds Apart..which i really enjoyed).

Would an X-Men mini with only Skids or Rusty on it sell as well?

I have no idea. Though, if it was thematically tied into a former X-Event (Inferno, which you know they wanted to invoke by calling it Infernus) and featured Colossus, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and the New X-Men kids, I think it just might.

I'd be a VERY tough sell to be convinced it was Illyana who sold that mini.

Dagger

05-11-2009, 06:47 PM

The Lucky One

05-11-2009, 06:56 PM

I only want two things for this book. Warlock and Skids.

You misspelled "C-y-p-h-e-r."

-D

RickyD410

05-11-2009, 07:03 PM

While I loved X-Infernus, I think it should have focused more on the actual characters who were in Inferno, instead of the New X-Men brats(I've come to loathe them of late) and basically the Astonishing cast.

How did it focus on the New X-Men? Rockslide and Mercury were basically extras. They didnt do anything except stand next to Nightcrawler and Wolverine. The main players were Nightcrawler, Magik, and Pixie. Yes, Pixie is/was a New X-Man, but she was the only important character from them in the mini.

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 07:05 PM

The Lucky One

05-11-2009, 07:08 PM

With the second print coming now, that makes five! (And my store only had two--don't know if I should be sad or relieved, because I would've bought them all.)

I think there were the two "regular" ones -- Ross and Kubert -- and then the other two were rarer variants. My shop had them both behind the counter for $10 apiece.

New Mutants vs. X-Force, who would win

At the risk of turning this into a rumbles thread, it depends on the version of X-Force and of the New Mutants. Both have had stronger and weaker teams, and this particular squad of New Mutants will probably be getting one extremely powerful member in the next story arc. But with all the different versions -- hell, Milligan's team got a new member, like, every fifth issue -- there's no definitive answer. Except the New Mutants.

Start a thread on the Rumbles board, though, then we can talk. :wink:

-D

Dagger

05-11-2009, 07:14 PM

How did it focus on the New X-Men? Rockslide and Mercury were basically extras. They didnt do anything except stand next to Nightcrawler and Wolverine. The main players were Nightcrawler, Magik, and Pixie. Yes, Pixie is/was a New X-Man, but she was the only important character from them in the mini.
It's not from X-Infernus, it's their appearances and lack of consistent good story-telling on their part that is getting on my nerves, and just wishing(hoping) that K&Y get them back soon.

sunofdarkchild

05-11-2009, 07:14 PM

Illyana's X-Infernus sold quite well. The first cover had only her on it, no Wolverine or Cyclops for support. No...having "X-Men" in the title wasn't the seller...since other mini's with "X-Men" in it didn't sell as well (specifically Worlds Apart..which i really enjoyed).

Would an X-Men mini with only Skids or Rusty on it sell as well?

No it wouldn't. Skids and Rusty do not have the same fan follwing as Illyana, and they do not have anywhere near the importance to X-history that Illyana does.

People seem to react to the original (pre-Mutant Massacre) New Mutants in ways that no one has with any of the other "next generations" of X-Men. I'd say they rival Wolverine as selling points.

pariah-1972

05-11-2009, 07:14 PM

They need to put Wolfsbane back on this team before they think about anyone else.
Her and Dani had a great friendship and had a spiritual bond.

Yearning4Yorick

05-11-2009, 07:16 PM

They need to put Wolfsbane back on this team before they think about anyone else.
Her and Dani had a great friendship and had a spiritual bond.

But then we don't get to see what Yost and Kyle have been building up with her.

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 07:17 PM

No it wouldn't. Skids and Rusty do not have the same fan follwing as Illyana, and they do not have anywhere near the importance to X-history that Illyana does.

People seem to react to the original (pre-Mutant Massacre) New Mutants in ways that no one has with any of the other "next generations" of X-Men. I'd say they rival Wolverine as selling points.

i think i agree! Well...Wolverine might have more selling points individually..but the classic team of New Mutants as a whole is a force to be reckoned with.

Fatguy

05-11-2009, 07:17 PM

I'd say they rival Wolverine as selling points.

I'd say its rare to see somebody this incorrect.

Dagger

05-11-2009, 07:20 PM

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 07:32 PM

Almost no one has the same clout as Wolverine in terms of commercial appeal.

My points in the previous post still stand.

There is a thing as "classic members"....they don't have to necessarily be the first members (Cypher, Warlock, Magma, and Magik weren't), but You know a classic member from others.

Reunion books, good ones, will often use the classics and for good reason.

Would a classic Van Halen reunion use that guy from Extreme?

Can't believe i used Van Halen as an example.

Prodigy55

05-11-2009, 07:35 PM

Stop being such elitists, Boom Boom, Rusty, Skids and Rictor are New Mutants!

pariah-1972

05-11-2009, 07:35 PM

But then we don't get to see what Yost and Kyle have been building up with her.Oh please i'm sure it will be either cliche or totally dreary.

Dagger

05-11-2009, 07:37 PM

Stop being such elitists, Boom Boom, Rusty, Skids and Rictor are New Mutants!
Wurd to your mumma's.

sunofdarkchild

05-11-2009, 07:38 PM

Say what? I'm kinda confused with this statement.

X-Infernus sold absurdly well, as a story about Illyana. By all indications this relaunch of the New Mutants is a massive success, selling out in numerous places. These seem to indicate that the New Mutants, Illyana, Sam, Dani, Roberto, Xian, Rahne, Amara, and Warlock, are extremely popular and that there are many people who will buy a comic just for them, like people buy comics just for Wolverine.

SayOcean

05-11-2009, 08:05 PM

i tend to think it was a mixture of Inferno and Illyana. The girl was quite a popular character in the 80s heyday....something those X-Termites save maybe Tabitha never achieved.

Also, i am gathering that the book is selling quite well with its first issue. i don't think a comic made up solely of latter-addition cast members would do that.

While some of You find our responses perplexing, i think many of us might feel the same. The whole intent of this comic is to reunite the classic members. Where are all these "Rusty, Feral, and any character who joined in the very final arc of the first run had better join!" coming from?

Let's say The Avengers got cancelled. A decade later....a reunion happens.

Who is deserving of membership for this reunion...Captain America, Wasp, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Iron Man, Thor, and Henry Pym?

Or Ares, Amadeus Chao, Stature, Tigra, and *gasp* The Sentry?

Nothing inherently wrong with those characters. But do they deserve a spot in a classic Avengers reunion?

i can just imagine people revved up for a long-awaited classic Avengers reunion, then me coming in with

"i want Dr. Druid in this or else!"

All to their own, really. i have characters i love who i may never see again!this is a very good way of trying to explain why some people don't want the xterminators joning the NM.....and it seems that they were just adding white characters....I mean i know rictor was latin...but what about TAki....he was full of win

With the second print coming now, that makes five! (And my store only had two--don't know if I should be sad or relieved, because I would've bought them all.)

Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/050911-BestShots.html) has a review up (C'mon, CBR! What's keeping yours?) and it pretty much mirrors this thread: "Everything about this comic is excellent! The writing! The art! Only, why is Bobby so pale?"im glad that someone else is "Bitching" about bobbys skin color

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 08:37 PM

I have no idea. Though, if it was thematically tied into a former X-Event (Inferno, which you know they wanted to invoke by calling it Infernus) and featured Colossus, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and the New X-Men kids, I think it just might.

I'd be a VERY tough sell to be convinced it was Illyana who sold that mini.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Its okay that you're not convinced it was Illyana. Even if the focus of the story revolved around her and the characters involved were driven by her in some form or another.
:wink:

Aguja

05-11-2009, 08:38 PM

Pixie was the draw for X-Infernus, I thought that was obvious? The story was far more about her than Magik.

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 08:42 PM

Cipher appeared in more panels than Magik and Pixie combined.

SayOcean

05-11-2009, 08:42 PM

Pixie was the draw for X-Infernus, I thought that was obvious? The story was far more about her than Magik.
yeah you also believe that the mediocrity that is Uncanny right now...centers around chimera

Aguja

05-11-2009, 08:42 PM

True, but Cipher is EVERYWHERE. It's unfair to think any other character could equal her in coverage.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 08:43 PM

Pixie was the draw for X-Infernus, I thought that was obvious? The story was far more about her than Magik.

I suppose that could be argued.
You make a valid point. Pixie did have a prominent role THANKS TO MAGIK.

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 08:44 PM

I suppose it can be argued, but should it?

Aguja

05-11-2009, 08:44 PM

yeah you also believe that the mediocrity that is Uncanny right now...centers around chimera

LOL don't hate.

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 08:47 PM

I suppose it can be argued, but should it?

You speak the truth.

SayOcean

05-11-2009, 08:47 PM

LOL don't hate.lol

bitch please

Peter F.

05-11-2009, 08:51 PM

You speak the truth.

How is that the truth? It was a question.

MuhollandDriver

05-11-2009, 08:53 PM

A purely rhetorical one.

SayOcean

05-11-2009, 08:57 PM

How is that the truth? It was a question.yana speaks in riddles....you need not understand him to absorb his wisdom

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 08:58 PM

yana speaks in riddles....you need not understand him to absorb his wisdom

Thank you SayOcean.:smile: !!!

Fatguy

05-11-2009, 09:26 PM

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Its okay that you're not convinced it was Illyana. Even if the focus of the story revolved around her and the characters involved were driven by her in some form or another.
:wink:

Just because the focus of the story was on a certain character, does not automatically mean THAT'S the character people bought the issue for :wink:

Prodigy55

05-11-2009, 10:02 PM

I bought it for Mercury and Rockslide really.

SayOcean

05-11-2009, 10:18 PM

I bought it for Mercury and Rockslide really.i dont have a witty response to this

yanapryde

05-11-2009, 10:53 PM

i dont have a witty response to this

And yet, I'm still entirely amused by your post.:smile:

NielsVanEekelen

05-12-2009, 02:37 AM

Also, just to keep things realistic here, Skid/Rusty/Boom Boom etc. arent much lower on the totem pole than Sunspot/Magik/Danni whoever. They're all on the same D list.

I think all characters introduced in Giant-Sized X-Men #1 should be considered X-Men A-list, B at the very least. And Illyana was there, of course.

DON'T SAY THAT!

As soon as WoK is over, Rachel and Illyana are teaming up to save Kitty! BELIEVE IT!

Don't tell anyone, but that's the secret surprise ending to War of Kings--Vulcan will appear to win, only then he gets hit in the head with that giant bullet. Then they use magik Shi'ar tech to resussitate Kitty after her having been unable to eat or breathe for months. Illyana doesn't teleport in to bring Kitty home until in an epilogue issue.

Have you read her Mystic Arcana one shot with Magik?

She only had half an issue to tell with just Magick and Dani and she nailed it .

That was indeed a cool issue.

While I loved X-Infernus, I think it should have focused more on the actual characters who were in Inferno, instead of the New X-Men brats(I've come to loathe them of late) and basically the Astonishing cast.

That was one thing that really annoyed me about an otherwise praise-worthy mini--it was not, as it was billed, a sequel to Inferno, that gold standard of company-wide crossovers. It was a direct sequel to the Quest for Magik arc in New X-Men.

I think there were the two "regular" ones -- Ross and Kubert -- and then the other two were rarer variants. My shop had them both behind the counter for $10 apiece.

Ah, thanks. I hadn't seen it confirmed anywhere that those other two were rare, or how rare. Was willing to buy all the covers for this first issue, but I'm not getting into those marked-up prices for rare covers.

X-Infernus sold absurdly well, as a story about Illyana. By all indications this relaunch of the New Mutants is a massive success, selling out in numerous places. These seem to indicate that the New Mutants, Illyana, Sam, Dani, Roberto, Xian, Rahne, Amara, and Warlock, are extremely popular and that there are many people who will buy a comic just for them, like people buy comics just for Wolverine.

Let's not get over-excited--X-Infernus sold decently, very decently for one among many X-minis, but it didn't set the charts ablaze.

New Mutants is getting lovely reviews and is selling out, but we won't know what kind of print run it is selling out of until the May charts come in.