Who do you like the best (Gambit-Longshot-Wisdom) [Archive]

the Hornet

05-04-2009, 09:58 PM

Doesn't Wisdom... shoot energy blades, not throw them? :confused:

Gotta hand it to you, I've heard plenty of people say Gambit is a ripoff of Longshot, but this is the first time I've ever heard Wisdom brought into the mix.

-D

Really? Visually, his style of throwing/shooting seems almost the same to me as Gambit throwing his cards or Longshot his blades. Maybe he does shoot them, just never registered it to me till now that way.

eurazn

05-04-2009, 09:59 PM

I know it is blasphemy here to say it, but with Novaya currently on hiatus from the boards due to Rachel-Abomination week, I'll safely say LONGSHOT!

Novaya may be on hiatus, but I certainly am not. As a card-carrying member of the Glitterati, I hereby issue you a citation, Slung, for a crime against good taste! :tongue:

Longshot is the female R'Chel. They have mutual mullet-envy.

As for the topic at hand, I voted Gambit because before he got snared in an emo, self-loathing relationship with Rogue, he was the seks.

Slung

05-04-2009, 10:02 PM

Novaya may be on hiatus, but I certainly am not. As a card-carrying member of the Glitterati, I hereby issue you a citation, Slung, for a crime against good taste! :tongue:

Longshot is the female R'Chel. They have mutual mullet-envy.

As for the topic at hand, I voted Gambit because before he got snared in an emo, self-loathing relationship with Rogue, he was the seks.

http://thegamersguild.net/cricket/dc/longshot.jpg

eurazn

05-04-2009, 10:04 PM

I know it is blasphemy here to say it, but with Novaya currently on hiatus from the boards due to Rachel-Abomination week, I'll safely say LONGSHOT!

http://thegamersguild.net/cricket/dc/longshot.jpg

I'd post images of Jean getting hentai-ravished by tentacles or bearing her OWN tentacles, but I have RESPECT for you, Slung.

You clearly HATE us, however.

[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite

05-04-2009, 10:15 PM

http://thegamersguild.net/cricket/dc/longshot.jpg

You should have gone through Comicvine. Here are some MUCH better better pics.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6754/244679-41457-dazzler_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33806/709786-61010_super.jpg

http://www.comicartcybermall.com/longshot.jpg

ĐØМ

05-04-2009, 10:25 PM

I'd say Gambit. I thought he was good in his earlier appearances, anyway. Longshot's alright, but he needs a new hairstyle. Wisdom...eh, never liked him at all.

Hakael

05-04-2009, 10:32 PM

Wisdom's hot knives are a bit more versatile than simple "change and explode". He doesn't necessarily use them as projectiles all the time, and can find other uses for the thermal energy.

I like Gambit, loathe longshot... but Wisdom wins here.

Slung

05-04-2009, 10:35 PM

I'd post images of Jean getting hentai-ravished by tentacles or bearing her OWN tentacles, but I have RESPECT for you, Slung.

You clearly HATE us, however.

I do not HATE at all. I chose a picture of Longshot NOT one with him dominating Dazzler. I clearly respect you!

That JonoGuy

05-04-2009, 10:44 PM

Really? Visually, his style of throwing/shooting seems almost the same to me as Gambit throwing his cards or Longshot his blades. Maybe he does shoot them, just never registered it to me till now that way.

I thought it was more like energy knives shooting from his fingertips. At least that is how i remember it from his early appearances.

That JonoGuy

05-04-2009, 10:46 PM

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;8876497']You should have gone through Comicvine. Here are some MUCH better better pics.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6754/244679-41457-dazzler_super.jpg

Longshot looks nice, but i can't take my eyes off of Dazzler. She looks fantastic there. :biggrin:

Flinkman

05-04-2009, 10:55 PM

Longshot! but i do like Gambit & Wisdom is finally starting to grow on me after all these years over in CB&MI:13

That JonoGuy

05-04-2009, 10:58 PM

I never really got the appeal of Longshot. Peter Wisdom is too much of a Warren Ellis creation. That just leaves me with Gambit, who I will gladly accept.

Nikto

05-04-2009, 11:00 PM

Longshot and Wisdom have been non-entities to me, so Gambit wins here.

just another user

05-05-2009, 01:15 AM

I have no opinion on Wisdom.

Gambit is almost always sucky.

Longshot is usually great.

Shaid O Gray

05-05-2009, 01:55 AM

I like Wisdom (CB&MI13 is pretty darn good book) although I gotta give it to the Cajun. It's not his (or Rogue's) fault that theri relationship got DawsonsCreek-ed to death. Write them as an ass-kicking cool couple and there would've been no problem. But nnoooo it had to get all emo and whiny.

Still, better times may be ahead.

I never got the Longshot thing. The mullet was hideous. The droopy-doe-eyed innocent-little-boy thing got old in about 5 minutes. I loved the Silvestri days but Longshot's "but-but why are people mean to each other??" moments were grating. Not to mention his "what's that" moments. When he would see...you know, any object. He sounded like a 6 year-old, which, in an adult's body always came across to me as....well, a little mentally challenged. And 'luck' is a lame, lame power.

So no offense to Longshot fans of course...(Oh lookitat! Gambit won by a mile!) To each their own and all.....but Longshot sucks big hairy ones.:biggrin:

Nah just kidding. You're all okay.

creaky

05-05-2009, 02:29 AM

Longshot reminds me of that really awkward guy who would ruin every school dance in the 80s by getting ridiculously drunk, paw the girls' breasts and then pass out in the punch he just puked in.

Gambit is now a doe-eyed puppy and has lost all his appeal. The pink ballerina outfit doesn't help.

Wisdom is British. British people will ALWAYS be cooler by default. He is also currently being written by Paul Cornell. Plus, unlike the other two, he knows how to dress.

The Sword Is Drawn

05-05-2009, 02:45 AM

Doesn't Wisdom... shoot energy blades, not throw them? :confused:

Gotta hand it to you, I've heard plenty of people say Gambit is a ripoff of Longshot, but this is the first time I've ever heard Wisdom brought into the mix.

Aye. Not a lot of similarity in play, there. Wisdom fires plasma knives from his fingertips. Although, anybody who has ever read the guy knows his mutant power is far from his most interesting character element. It's the espionage that makes him far cooler than the other two.

Although X-Men Origins: Wolverine did remind how cool Gambit CAN be when treated well.

Peter Wisdom is too much of a Warren Ellis creation.

Have you read him lately? Cornell has fleshed hi out into a far more three dimensional character, now.

x_goalkeeper

05-05-2009, 03:13 AM

I do not like Gambit or Longshot, but I am most familiar with Gambit, so I choose Wisdom! The european character has cool points :cool:

Canemacar

05-05-2009, 03:36 AM

Gambit by far. Wisdom is more or less Ellis' self-insertion from back in his run on Excalibur and Longshot is...well, Longshot.

RickyD410

05-05-2009, 05:50 AM

Longshot: I dont have much of an opinion on him yet. But I'm warming up to him in X-Factor. I loved his Uma Thurman comment.

Gambit: I've always liked Gambit. I think he's really sneaky and suave. He's just kinda badass when he's not being sulky and emo.

Wisdom: PURE LOVE. I absolutely love Wisdom right now. He's one of my favorite characters. I love his leadership, his sense of humor, his history, his business first mentality, his attitude, everything. He's such a badass character, I love him!

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4686/wisdomcool.jpg

timbox

05-05-2009, 05:53 AM

Who is the more popular of the terrible characters?

This poll fits the theme of Rachel Week, why is she not an option?

darknessatnoon

05-05-2009, 06:14 AM

Who is the more popular of the terrible characters?

This poll fits the theme of Rachel Week, why is she not an option?

There are no terrible characters. Only terrible fans.

alf_to_the_rescue

05-05-2009, 06:48 AM

I'd have to go for Longshot, out of the three. I always thought his memory loss could be played up more, making him more a tragic figure, that he's lived so many lives but can't remember them.

timbox

05-05-2009, 06:48 AM

There are no terrible characters. Only terrible fans.

You would know.

The Sword Is Drawn

05-05-2009, 06:49 AM

Wisdom is more or less Ellis' self-insertion from back in his run on Excalibur

He wasn't at the time. He certainly isn't any more. Have you even read the guy, recently?

Who is the more popular of the terrible characters?

None of these characters can truly be called terrible. Not even longshot...

Grapeweasel

05-05-2009, 06:52 AM

Wisdom-Kitty Pryde gets my vote as the ickiest pairing in comics.

I've never been able to give the character a fair evaluation separate from that.

Grapeweasel

05-05-2009, 06:54 AM

And I like Longshot in the Mojoverse.

Don't like him in the 616.

[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite

05-05-2009, 01:34 PM

And I like Longshot in the Mojoverse.

Don't like him in the 616.

We haven't seen much of him in the Mojoverse, have we?

That JonoGuy

05-05-2009, 01:40 PM

Have you read him lately? Cornell has fleshed hi out into a far more three dimensional character, now.

Not lately, no. The last time I read something with him was during X-Force Counter X. JFM did a nice job with him in X-Force prior to CX. If his current portrayal is anything like that then i am sure I will enjoy CB & MI: 13.

eggie

05-05-2009, 02:12 PM

I voted for Gambit! Before him and Rogue got together (thus destorying character development for either of them for years) Gambit was THE MAN!!! I liked how in AoA instead of throwing cards he charged and threw razor sharp knives...way cool!!

Sighphi

05-05-2009, 02:15 PM

I was lurking and although I knew about comparisions being made about Longshot and Gambit, I just realized Wisdom had a similar power too, at least in execution (throwing energy blades). Who do you guys think is the coolest and why?

Longshot.
Since Gambit is just Longshot Version 2.

eggie

05-05-2009, 07:04 PM

Longshot.
Since Gambit is just Longshot Version 2.

Gambit, like Longshot but better :tongue:

The Lucky One

05-05-2009, 08:33 PM

I liked how in AoA instead of throwing cards he charged and threw razor sharp knives...way cool!!

You know, I'll be honest, I never understood that. Maybe someone can explain to me the point of throwing a bladed weapon that's just going to explode against whatever it hits. So you can stab someone AND blow them up? I guess it's no more ridiculous than the playing cards, but still, seems like overkill. Nice that they borrowed yet another element for Gambit from Longshot, but it just doesn't make any sense with Gambit's power. Knives? Really?

I know, I know... they wanted something to make him look kewler from a visual standpoint and I'm overthinking it. But if Gambit's going to keep appearing, maybe he could someday use something that makes sense and that you could actually throw farther than 50 feet, like ball bearings or marbles or something.

-D

Slant

05-05-2009, 08:50 PM

The cards are alot easier to carry in bunches. 52 cards is pretty compact compared to carrying 52 marbles. But anytime they get creative and have him use something around him is a plus. Him charging the bus in Evolution was pretty badass.

Wind-Breaker

05-05-2009, 09:06 PM

Longshot has a mullet, so he's DQ'd in my book. It’s a toss up with Wisdom and Gambit with me. CC and Cornell wrote an entertaining Wisdom. But despite his eyesore of a costume and annoying dialect, Remy gets the edge because I loved Gambit's solo written by Fabian a tad more.

Canemacar

05-05-2009, 09:53 PM

I know, I know... they wanted something to make him look kewler from a visual standpoint and I'm overthinking it. But if Gambit's going to keep appearing, maybe he could someday use something that makes sense and that you could actually throw farther than 50 feet, like ball bearings or marbles or something.

-D

Still jealous? :biggrin:

1: The knives made sense; they'd penetrate an enemy, then detonate, causing a lot more damage than a surface detonation like with the cards. that how he was able to kill Colossus with a single throw.

2: Throwing range with normal cards is irrelevent; with the kinetic charge, they're propelled as far as he needs. Throw in the afore-mentioned bonuses of lightweight, easy-to-carry, easy-to-conceal, easy-to-obtain, mass-produced, etc and it makes you wonder why he'd use anything BUT cards.

steve2275

05-05-2009, 10:50 PM

gambit
wisdom
longshot

The Lucky One

05-06-2009, 06:14 AM

Still jealous? :biggrin:

Being perfectly honest? No. :wink:

It's like this. Pretend that somehow you were able to poll everyone in America and ask them, what's the best movie ever made about teenage vampires? By far the most popular response would be Twilight. You, of course, would immediately think "These people are obviously brain damaged, the best and only answer is The Lost Boys."* And you would be right, because The Lost Boys is awesome and Twilight sucks sour goat taint. But then what? Do you take it personally and devote your time to visiting message board after message board in an effort to convert flocks of teenage girls whose main opinion consists of "Eww, Keifer Sutherland's mullet is gross, and Edward Cullen is soooo cool and dreamy!" Or do you good-naturedly shrug your shoulders, accepting that the popular opinion doesn't keep you from popping in your Lost Boys DVD anytime you want to watch, and wear your status as a cult fan proudly? I don't mean that pretentiously, it's just an easy decision, y'know?

*(Of course, that's to say nothing of those who prefer Let The Right One In. Born Fantomex fans.)

-D

The Sword Is Drawn

05-06-2009, 06:18 AM

Wisdom-Kitty Pryde gets my vote as the ickiest pairing in comics.

I've never been able to give the character a fair evaluation separate from that.

Whereas I think it was probably the best written, most enjoyable to read, X-Pairing of the 90s. Nothing else even got close.

Not lately, no. The last time I read something with him was during X-Force Counter X. JFM did a nice job with him in X-Force prior to CX. If his current portrayal is anything like that then i am sure I will enjoy CB & MI: 13.

I think you would, yes. He's very much written as the spy and black ops guy, organising things with a healthy sense of duty paired with irony.

Grapeweasel

05-06-2009, 06:41 AM

Whereas I think it was probably the best written, most enjoyable to read, X-Pairing of the 90s. Nothing else even got close.

Really?

Because it literally went from hate to love in three pages (I counted).

It was clearly a writer living vicariously through a surrogate, which can never be anything but creepy.

blinkinrogue

05-06-2009, 09:16 AM

I think i'll go with gambit, loved him in TAS. too bad his popularity dwindled throughout the years.

Canemacar

05-06-2009, 09:26 AM

Being perfectly honest? No. :wink:

You're taking it way too seriously. I just enjoy teasing you.

Besides. If you want to talk practicality, a leather jumpsuit has got to chafe something horrible. He probably goes through a bottle of talc powder a day.

streator

05-06-2009, 09:56 AM

definitely gambit, although i enjoy each character to a certain degree.

RBishop

05-06-2009, 12:09 PM

I went with Pete Wisdom. He does what needs to be done with British style.

Never been a Longshot fan; I just don't get the character or his appeal.

As for Gambit, he could have been something, but got dragged down by his mind-blowingly boring relationship with Rogue. Yeah, we get it, you can't touch her, which sucks, but you really love her, so either live with it or move on, but stop being a mopey little emo bitch about it.:evilangry:

mythog

05-06-2009, 12:36 PM

eggie

05-06-2009, 02:28 PM

Blame the writers who wrote it that way not the character, I really find it funny that people seem to blame Gambit for being mopey and emo like he had a choice.

Exactly! Writers didn't know what to do with him while he was with Rogue...I am now confident that we will see a better Gambit than we've seen in a long time and maybe a resurgence in his popularity!

jarrod

05-06-2009, 02:35 PM

I like all three. :/

I bet they've all slept with The Dazzler though. Ick.

Being perfectly honest? No. :wink:

It's like this. Pretend that somehow you were able to poll everyone in America and ask them, what's the best movie ever made about teenage vampires? By far the most popular response would be Twilight. You, of course, would immediately think "These people are obviously brain damaged, the best and only answer is The Lost Boys."* And you would be right, because The Lost Boys is awesome and Twilight sucks sour goat taint. But then what? Do you take it personally and devote your time to visiting message board after message board in an effort to convert flocks of teenage girls whose main opinion consists of "Eww, Keifer Sutherland's mullet is gross, and Edward Cullen is soooo cool and dreamy!" Or do you good-naturedly shrug your shoulders, accepting that the popular opinion doesn't keep you from popping in your Lost Boys DVD anytime you want to watch, and wear your status as a cult fan proudly? I don't mean that pretentiously, it's just an easy decision, y'know?

*(Of course, that's to say nothing of those who prefer Let The Right One In. Born Fantomex fans.)

-D
We prefer Near Dark. Let the Right One In isn't about teens, it's tweens. :P

Canemacar

05-06-2009, 02:38 PM

Exactly! Writers didn't know what to do with him while he was with Rogue...I am now confident that we will see a better Gambit than we've seen in a long time and maybe a resurgence in his popularity!

The movie may have failed to kickstart any interest in him from Marvel, but a dedicated writer can work wonders; Carey's already demonstrated an ability to clean up a busted character.

I bet they've all slept with The Dazzler though. Ick.:P

Come on, Gambit may have slept with everyone from mystique to sinister but he's got *some* standards.

Fionnuala

05-06-2009, 03:06 PM

Gambit looks far nicer on a page than any of these other guys.

jarrod

05-06-2009, 03:56 PM

Come on, Gambit may have slept with everyone from mystique to sinister but he's got *some* standards.
Give it time. Even Professor C can't shield him forever...

eurazn

05-06-2009, 04:20 PM

Come on, Gambit may have slept with everyone from mystique to sinister but he's got *some* standards.

Obviously. That's why he keeps Rachel at a galaxy's distance.

The Sword Is Drawn

05-07-2009, 04:13 AM

Really?

Because it literally went from hate to love in three pages (I counted).

It was clearly a writer living vicariously through a surrogate, which can never be anything but creepy.

I don't honestly believe, even for a second, that Warren Ellis genuinely wanted to screw Kitty Pryde, and used Wisdom as a way of doing it. This is Ellis. When he wants to mess with something he does it deliberately and to extremes. And it's usually very funny.

In the three issues of Dream Nails there was contempt an bickering between the two, which developed into something else. It's not just 3 pages. There was subtext. It was the kind of love/hate relationship which probably couldn't last. But for the period it did was pretty intense. It was Kitty's first adult relationship, and all that bickering and teasing each other probably made for just as explosive a relationship in other areas, too...

They were just so much fun to read.

It's the only one of Kitty's relationships I've truly been able to buy into. Both are incredibly intelligent individuals. They may have their differences, but in Wisdom Kitty very much found her intellectual equal.

I mean, we all take it as read that Kitty and Colossus is this big, long time, idyllic X-Couple. But serious? What would that actually TALK about in their own time?