Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine Q's

[g1siberia]

1. what was the cause of the huge delay?
2. why did marvel not just use someone else to finish it sooner?

[agrich]

1. At least one of the two creators got busy with other things.
2. Marvel figured the thing would still sell really well even if there was a lengthy delay, and that many would rather have the same creative team for an entire miniseries rather than a different one for the first two issues than for the rest of the series. And, they were right.

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If you're asking #2, you already know the answer to #1.

[DrDoom616]

1. At least one of the two creators got busy with other things.
2. Marvel figured the thing would still sell really well even if there was a lengthy delay, and that many would rather have the same creative team for an entire miniseries rather than a different one for the first two issues than for the rest of the series. And, they were right.

So, why didn't they do that with Ultimate Power?
3 creative teams finshed that one

[agrich]

So, why didn't they do that with Ultimate Power?
3 creative teams finshed that one

In that case, that was the plan from the beginning. In this case, the plan for was Lindelof and Yu to do the whole thing. I suppose if Lindelof didn't want to finish it and begged out, Marvel would have replaced him. But he didn't, and they didn't, and people are buying it now, so it worked out OK from Marvel's perspective.

[DrDoom616]

In that case, that was the plan from the beginning. In this case, the plan for was Lindelof and Yu to do the whole thing. I suppose if Lindelof didn't want to finish it and begged out, Marvel would have replaced him. But he didn't, and they didn't, and people are buying it now, so it worked out OK from Marvel's perspective.

It was not the original plan at all to have 3 different creative teams on Ultimate Power.

Anyway, I am glad he stayed on the book, and we are getting the only decent Ultimate title running at the minute (Ultimatum really sucks)

[agrich]

It was not the original plan at all to have 3 different creative teams on Ultimate Power.


The series was conceived to have Bendis write three issues, Loeb write three issues, and Straczynski write three issues. Originally. Are you suggesting that Bendis was meant to write the whole series and was replaced by Marvel? Because that certainly didn't happen.

[Will.S]

I just have to say, it's amazing how many reprints this book has and how it still manages to sell well.

I guess people aren't bothered in the slightest about years of delay but it's a little annoying to see that Marvel hadn't even issued any sort of open apology for it or anything. But perhaps that's expecting too much.

[carabas]

The series was conceived to have Bendis write three issues, Loeb write three issues, and Straczynski write three issues.
That was indeed the original plan.

[IamBATFAN]

1. what was the cause of the huge delay?
most likely Lindelof's main job: Lost. Then for Yu, Secret Invasion was offered to him in the meantime.


2. why did marvel not just use someone else to finish it sooner?
because it's a vanity project which the story had no real consequence to the rest of the Ultimate Universe. It's purely a classic Hulk vs Wolverine fight comic book.

[ijffdrie]

actually, shouldnt the introduction of she-hulk be rather big?

[Order of Zeon]

I just have to say, it's amazing how many reprints this book has and how it still manages to sell well.

I guess people aren't bothered in the slightest about years of delay but it's a little annoying to see that Marvel hadn't even issued any sort of open apology for it or anything. But perhaps that's expecting too much.


Yeah i mentioned the same thing in another thread. I was disapointed to see people buy this and Marvel get the impression that is ok to have a delay like th is.

I for one didnt buy anything past issue two the first time around. At the end of the day its a meaningless series in every sense of the word, nothing in it can have any kind of consequence, the possibility isnt even there.

Its better than Ultimatum though, but thats like saying a punch to the face is better than a punch to the privates.

[IamBATFAN]

Yeah i mentioned the same thing in another thread. I was disapointed to see people buy this and Marvel get the impression that is ok to have a delay like th is.

I for one didnt buy anything past issue two the first time around. At the end of the day its a meaningless series in every sense of the word, nothing in it can have any kind of consequence, the possibility isnt even there.

Its better than Ultimatum though, but thats like saying a punch to the face is better than a punch to the privates.


so what about the people wanting to see the series actually get continued, should they be ignored? that's the people Marvel were targeting and the wait paid off (literally); people were asking about it more than they were saying go away, so interest was there despite the long wait. Funny that you want to punish a company for seeing a project through and give the fans what they asked for.

[IamBATFAN]

I just have to say, it's amazing how many reprints this book has and how it still manages to sell well.

I guess people aren't bothered in the slightest about years of delay but it's a little annoying to see that Marvel hadn't even issued any sort of open apology for it or anything. But perhaps that's expecting too much.

i believe Quesada has apologized every time he got asked about it in interviews and at panel discussions at cons, same as Damon Lindelof, infact i recall him at a con saying he had the script to issue 3 in hand because he knew he was gonna get asked about it. So apologies have come, maybe you just missed them.

[Sabrinaset]

Question #3: Would this series be finished BEFORE or AFTER James T. Kirk is born? :tongue:

[Order of Zeon]

so what about the people wanting to see the series actually get continued, should they be ignored? that's the people Marvel were targeting and the wait paid off (literally); people were asking about it more than they were saying go away, so interest was there despite the long wait. Funny that you want to punish a company for seeing a project through and give the fans what they asked for.

So they should be encouraged to bend at knee for a guy simply becasue hes too busy with "real work" to bother finnishing his commitment on time, or in reasonable time?

Offering the books at discount or giving them away as digital comics on their website would have been the best thing to do for the people that waited that long. Of course that would have been a bit extreme given the state of comics, but even An appology page in the book itself would have been a good gesture as well. Convention appology is fine, but it says a lot to put it in the book itself and own up to even the average person that might not have heard about it.

Marvel should feel damn lucky people even wanted to read the stuff, but more likely they just think its ok and wont bat an eye when it happens again.

[DrDoom616]

The series was conceived to have Bendis write three issues, Loeb write three issues, and Straczynski write three issues. Originally. Are you suggesting that Bendis was meant to write the whole series and was replaced by Marvel? Because that certainly didn't happen.

Have you got a link for this information?

[DrDoom616]

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I for one didnt buy anything past issue two the first time around. At the end of the day its a meaningless series in every sense of the word, nothing in it can have any kind of consequence, the possibility isnt even there. QUOTE]

Hahaha of course you didn't buy anything past issue 2 the first time around, they never released any others after issue 2.

Doh!!!

[Will.S]

i believe Quesada has apologized every time he got asked about it in interviews and at panel discussions at cons, same as Damon Lindelof, infact i recall him at a con saying he had the script to issue 3 in hand because he knew he was gonna get asked about it. So apologies have come, maybe you just missed them.
I guess I did miss them (at least the Joe Quesada one) but I meant something more along the lines of a printed one on the comic.

[carabas]

Have you got a link for this information?Links for this sort of thing that are a few years old are very hard to find. Almost none of the main comics sites save their stuff for very long.

But this was common knowledge at the time and announced long before the first issue was even sollicited.

[Order of Zeon]

[QUOTE=Order of Zeon;8838406]
I for one didnt buy anything past issue two the first time around. At the end of the day its a meaningless series in every sense of the word, nothing in it can have any kind of consequence, the possibility isnt even there. QUOTE]

Hahaha of course you didn't buy anything past issue 2 the first time around, they never released any others after issue 2.

Doh!!!

Well they did re release the first two, and though ive gotten rid of my original two i didnt rebuy them. I know some people that did.

[DrDoom616]

Links for this sort of thing that are a few years old are very hard to find. Almost none of the main comics sites save their stuff for very long.

But this was common knowledge at the time and announced long before the first issue was even sollicited.


still doesn't change the fact that Loeb was the only one that delayed that book though.

[DrDoom616]

[QUOTE=DrDoom616;8840866]

Well they did re release the first two, and though ive gotten rid of my original two i didnt rebuy them. I know some people that did.

I kept the first 2 issues, I will buy this when it is released in HC as I think it's great, much better than that Ultimatum fiasco.

I did NOT buy issue 1 & 2 re-release though, didn't see much point in it seeing as I already had them 3 years ago lol

[carabas]

still doesn't change the fact that Loeb was the only one that delayed that book though.Nope. He only had to do three issues, and they were late. Cant blame it on Greg Land there either. The man's notorious for cutting every corner that can be cut.

[DrDoom616]

Nope. He only had to do three issues, and they were late. Cant blame it on Greg Land there either. The man's notorious for cutting every corner that can be cut.

I used to like some of Loeb's work, but recently he has lost the plot

I don't hate Loeb, I just think his current writing sucks