Dirty Deeds w/ Apocalypse

[worstblogever]

Dirty Deeds!

"Dirty Deeds" is a series of threads where a discussion can be held about the morally questionable, or outright evil acts of characters in comics. It might be a discussion about times a hero crossed a moral line they shouldn't have, or a discussion of a villain's most horrific acts in their history, but the premise remains the same.

Where possible, a poll will be included to vote upon said character's "dirtiest deed".

Please do remember that there are no wrong answers, this is all a matter of opinion. Since everyone has a different set of morals, please try and respect differences in people's own beliefs.

Previous Dirty Deeds Features:
#1- Dark Beast (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=7127725#post7127725)
#2- Mastermind (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=7146655#post7146655)
#3- Colossus (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=229287)
#4- Donald Pierce (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=229784)
#5- Feral (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=230381&page=5)
#6- Pyro (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=230895)
#7- Juggernaut (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231579 )
#8- Sunfire (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=232010 )
#9- Havok (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=232508)
#10- Emma Frost (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=232859)
#11- Rogue (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=233485)
#12- Sage (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=233799)
#13- Spiral (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=234401)
#14- Marrow (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=234789)
#15- Cameron Hodge (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=235473)
#16- Magik (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=236153)
#17- Empath (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=236552)
#18- Jean Grey (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=237110)
#19- Pete Wisdom (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=237681)
#20- Reverend Stryker (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=238243)
#21- Sunspot (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=239039)
#22- Arcade (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=239518)
#23- Gambit (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=240015)
#24- Aurora (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=240581)
#25- Mystique ( http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=241282)
#26- Monet St. Croix (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=248195)
#27- Scalphunter (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=248740)
#28- Angel ( http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=249638)
#29- Toad (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=250414)
#30- Sebastian Shaw (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=251215)
#31- Nightcrawler (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=252069)
#32- Warpath (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=252985)
#33- Blob (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=253491)
#34- Psylocke (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=254010)
#35- Henry Peter Gyrich (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=254646)
#36- Emplate (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=255480)
#37- Stacy X (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=255993)
#38- Omega Red (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=256700)
#39- Forge (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=258668)
#40- Shadow King (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=258951)
#41- Dazzler (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=260691)
#42- Beak (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=261375)
#43- Fabian Cortez (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=261805)
#44- Deadpool (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=262816)
#45- Belasco (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=263365)
#46- Kitty Pryde (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=264101)
#47- Scarlet Witch (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=264356)
#48- Black Tom Cassidy (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=264956)
#49- Northstar (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=265326)



Believe it or not, it’s the fiftieth golden anniversary of Dirty Deeds! And, with a milestone like that, I can’t just look at someone naughty, or scandalous in the X-Men. Oh, no. I can’t just delve into the semi-dastardly moments of the average villainous thug. Nuh uh. I’m going all out. We’re looking into the Dirty Deeds of a guy who’s (supposed to be, anyway) evil and threatening enough to name himself after the end of the world itself! That’s right, for the big five-oh, we’re going to look at…

En Sabah Nur…
Apocalypse!!!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/10789/747360-apocalypse2_large.jpeg

[worstblogever]

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So what is Apocalypse's "Dirtiest Deed"?


- Slaying three of his Kinsmen as part of his initiation into the Sandstormers? (revealed in Rise of Apocalypse #1)

- Using the Eye of the Ages on Ozymandias to turn him into a man of stone, and his eternal slave? (revealed in Rise of Apocalypse #4)

- Awakening the powers of Bennet Du Paris, transforming him into Exodus, and then leaving him in a coma for 800 years? (revealed in Black Knight: Exodus #1 )

- Stabbing the External, Saul, leaving him for dead, and then stealing the alien spaceship that he had found, so he alone could know the secrets contained within it? (revealed in X-Force (vol. 1) #37)

- Slaughtering the armies of Vlad Tepes? (revealed in X-Men: Apocalypse vs. Dracula #1)

- Transforming the Victorian scientist, Nathaniel Essex, into Mister Sinister? (revealed in Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix #1-4)

- Attempting to murder the British royalty, Queen Victoria and Prince Albert? (revealed in Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix #1-4)

- Kidnapping a Victorian man, and forcing him into a transformation cocoon, turning him into his Harbinger? (Cable (vol. 2) #50)

- Using his Celestial technology to empower the global blackmailer, Moses Magnum? (revealed in Classic X-Men #25)

- Forming the Alliance of Evil, and having them kidnap Michael Nowlan and his wife, then battle X-Factor, resulting in the deaths of both Nowlans? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #4-6)

- Transforming the Morlock Plague into his Horseman, Pestilence? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #10)

- Transforming the crippled war veteran, Abraham Kieros into his Horseman, War? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #11)

- Transforming the young anoxeric girl, Autumn Rolfson, into his Horseman, Famine? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #12)

- Kidnapping a badly wounded Warren Worthington III, brainwashing him, and convincing him to become his Horseman, Death? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #15-18)

- Turning his Horsemen loose to attack New York City, hoping it would start a war between humans and mutants to force the mutant race to fight and become stronger and survive? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #24)

- Serving champagne to a minor, his Horseman Famine? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #27)

- Turning Caliban into his Hellhound? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #51)

- Experimenting upon rogue Inhumans to make his Riders of the Storm aka the original Dark Riders? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #65-68)

- Detonating the Celestial Ship in the hopes that X-Factor would be consumed in the explosion? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #65-68)

- Sending the Riders of the Storm to kidnap Nathan Christopher Summers? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #65-68)

- Attempting to turn the Blue Area of the Moon’s Inhuman inhabitants into a conquering army? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #65-68)

- Infecting Nathan Christopher Summers with the techno-organic virus? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #65-68)

- Attempting to murder Franklin Richards as a way of slowing down Onslaught? (Cable (vol. 2) #35 )

- Kidnapping the Incredible Hulk and transforming him into the Horseman, War? (Incredible Hulk #455-457)

- Kidnapping Caliban, and attempting to make him his new Horseman, Pestilence? (Cable (vol. 2) #73)

- Kidnapping Wolverine, replacing him with a Skrull imposter, and forcing him to fight Sabretooth for the right to be transformed him into the Horseman, Death? (Uncanny X-Men #375, X-Men (vol. 2) #95, Wolverine (vol. 2) #125)

- Kidnapping the mutants known as “The Twelve”, and attempting to absorb their life energies, resulting in the death of Cyclops? (Cable (vol. 2) #75-76, X-Men (vol. 2), X-Man #59-60, Uncanny X-Men #377, X-Men (vol. 2) #96-97,)

- Kidnapping Gazer, forcing him to fight an archaelogist to the death for the right to be transformed into his new Horseman of War? (X-Men (vol. 2) #182-183)

- Kidnapping Polaris and transforming her into his new Horseman of Pestilence? (revealed in X-Men (vol. 2) #185)

- Kidnapping Sunfire, and transforming him into his new Horseman of Famine? (revealed in X-Men (vol. 2) #182-183)

- Transforming Gambit into his new Horseman of Death? (X-Men (vol. 2) #184)

- In the wake of M-Day, attacking the Xavier Institute in a flying sphinx and trying to get the 198 to drink his blood to ensure their loyalty? (X-Men (vol. 2) #182-186)

- Trying to brainwash the young clone of Cable, Stryfe, so that he could one day perform a procedure to use his body as a new host for his consciousness? (Askani’Son #1-4)



He’s been an Egyptian warlord, an exploiter of alien technology, a cult leader, and a threat to the world in ages past, and future! Now, vote for what you think is the worst of Apocalypse’s “Dirty Deeds”!

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[david r]

I still think it's what he did to Warren. It was just a heinous act, which shook the Original 5 to their core.

[worstblogever]

I still think it's what he did to Warren. It was just a heinous act, which shook the Original 5 to their core.

Likely, yeah.

I dunno, for being around for 7,000 years, he sure doesn't have a great variety of schtick. It's all, "corrupt and make _____ into a Horseman", or "exploit _______ to absorb their power", or "kidnap or attempt to murder baby _________".

Compared to the variety you get from Cameron Hodge, En Sabah Nur's a three trick pony of evil, really.

[Pro]

The problem with Apocalypse is that he can never really live up to his evil nature as it would involve the death of millions of humans. So instead he keeps plotting and keep failing and every time he does so he becomes a little less impressive.

[nikbackm]

Other.

He should not have come back.

[Bolebeau]

The problem with Apocalypse is that he can never really live up to his evil nature as it would involve the death of millions of humans. So instead he keeps plotting and keep failing and every time he does so he becomes a little less impressive.

I agree.

Though at LEAST he could obliterate some fictional middle eastern country like so many other supervillains have done.

[Nicoclaws]

I agree.

Though at LEAST he could obliterate some fictional middle eastern country like so many other supervillains have done.

"Because I can."

[mcgaffer]

Creating Mr.Sinister, he unleashed a monster on the world almost as dangerous as himself. He knew what type of man Sinister was and what he could become even without his guiding hand.

[Valeria Kementari]

- Transforming the Victorian scientist, Nathaniel Essex, into Mister Sinister? (revealed in Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix #1-4)

- Attempting to murder the British royalty, Queen Victoria and Prince Albert? (revealed in Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix #1-4)

This was actually in "The Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix". The "Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix" is the one where they raise Cable in his askani future.

He's dirtiest deed has got to be serving champagne to poor little Autumm... whatever happened to her anyway?

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Again the problem with Apoc is he way more bad ass in cartoons and video games then he is the comics, the X-men couldn't even hurt Apoc in the 90s X-Men cartoon and in X-Men Legends II Apoc came way closer to taking over the world then he ever did in the comics.

[worstblogever]

The problem with Apocalypse is that he can never really live up to his evil nature as it would involve the death of millions of humans. So instead he keeps plotting and keep failing and every time he does so he becomes a little less impressive.

He could, in theory. any one of the big events that is supposedly putting mutants further on the flatscans s*** lists could be because he finally starts his war, and actually does some real damage to a real target. The only fictional country he really ever threatened was Wallachia in the past, and in the present, the Inhuman Nation on the Blue Area of the Moon.

Surely, he's got more going than that.


I agree.

Though at LEAST he could obliterate some fictional middle eastern country like so many other supervillains have done.

Worked for Black Adam in DC, right?


Again the problem with Apoc is he way more bad ass in cartoons and video games then he is the comics, the X-men couldn't even hurt Apoc in the 90s X-Men cartoon and in X-Men Legends II Apoc came way closer to taking over the world then he ever did in the comics.

Still, Dr. Doom comes close to global domination, or more. So do a lot of the Avengers villains. What could it hurt to give Apocalypse a real chance to do his thing, rather than just be a running joke outside of AoA?


He's dirtiest deed has got to be serving champagne to poor little Autumm... whatever happened to her anyway?

Last she was seen, she was freed from Apocalypse's control, and presumably sent back to live with her family in Ohio in Uncanny #295.

[ExodusCloak]

I voted other as his biggest crime is being pathetic or breaking a table.

[Seres]

Blood Of Apocalypse is the best story he's ever been in.

[worstblogever]

Blood Of Apocalypse is the best story he's ever been in.

Have anything to do with your love of Milligan?

[worstblogever]

The lesson here is... it's perfectly morally acceptable to do horrible things to Wolverine.

That's a pattern I've noticed in Dirty Deeds... any wrong done to Logan that makes it to the poll always finishes last. Cracks me up.

[Omega Alpha]

Infecting baby Nathan and trying to kill Franklin are the most evil actions of his.

But creating Sinister and Stryfe ended up being the worst, he created two monsters as bad as he is.

[Seres]

Have anything to do with your love of Milligan?

It's the story that used him best! His plan in that story was brilliant and mad. And on top of that, I love Peter Milligan.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Still, Dr. Doom comes close to global domination, or more. So do a lot of the Avengers villains. What could it hurt to give Apocalypse a real chance to do his thing, rather than just be a running joke outside of AoA?

.

But we are talking his past feats, not theoretical feats.

You have admit he is way better in cartoons and video games then he is comics. In the Fox cartoon he tried to rewrite the time stream to his liking and in X-Men Legends II he managed to recreate parts of AoA in a 616 style universe. When has he ever done anything like that in the 616 universe?

I think he is more bad ass in the games and cartoons because they are more self contained, they are not part of a shared universe, Apoc has to be bad ass, he is only facing the X-Men and they have way fewer villains then the whole of the Marvel Universe. He had to step there.

[Beni]

The lesson here is... it's perfectly morally acceptable to do horrible things to Wolverine.

That's a pattern I've noticed in Dirty Deeds... any wrong done to Logan that makes it to the poll always finishes last. Cracks me up.

That is a funny trend!

Also I am surprised about the lack of deaths or killings with Apocalypse.. I do not know too much about the character really, only the recent story with the 198.

[Pro]

He could, in theory. any one of the big events that is supposedly putting mutants further on the flatscans s*** lists could be because he finally starts his war

He tried wiping out 90% of humanity in blood of Apocalypse and came off more incompetent than ever, turning Gambit into a blue smurf and eventually "committing suicide" by jumping into a machine he was sure would kill him. Instead of killing him he ended up in the service of a celestial.

I like the concept of an age old mutant with a Darwinist outlook on life but Apocalypse never gets to fullfill his full potential in the earth 616 reality.

Hence why marvel needs to repower mutants, move the vast majority of them to an outback planet in the Shi'ar empire and let Apocalypse cut loose. He could conquer the mutant homeworld, wipe out the shi'ar throne world, start a war on an epic scale marvel would never allow him to start on earth.

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[mcgaffer]

The moral that im see'ing is if the person has a healing factor, it's ok. Basically whatever you do to them just heals over, so do what you want.

[Joe Acro]

Looking over that list, Apocalypse's deeds don't really seem very dirty.

Maybe it's just me.

[psychic_therapy]

Looking over that list, Apocalypse's deeds don't really seem very dirty.

Maybe it's just me.

Not just you. It is surprising, really.

[worstblogever]

The only confimed mass slaughter by Apocalypse in the 616 is what... when he wiped out Vlad Tepes' army?

You'd think there was more... but that's it.

[Bronze Badger]

Looking over that list, Apocalypse's deeds don't really seem very dirty.

Maybe it's just me.

Hey should come back without the Celestial tech and just whoop some ass.

Looking like this:

http://www.99centcomicsonline.com/99centx/apocalypse1.jpg

[Raptor]

I voted: Making Mr. Sinister.

He is in someways responsible for most of Nathaniel Essex's Dirty Deeds. Therefore that one act counts as many.

As for Logan...he did him a favor if you ask me.

[psychic_therapy]

The only confimed mass slaughter by Apocalypse in the 616 is what... when he wiped out Vlad Tepes' army?

You'd think there was more... but that's it.

I might have voted for that if it were in the poll... but I'm guessing it's not because it was not on-panel?

[worstblogever]

I might have voted for that if it were in the poll... but I'm guessing it's not because it was not on-panel?

War is war. And honestly... it's against Dracula, who's not so much a boy scout, either. It'd be like if he waged war on Latveria.

Which, would be a pretty sweet story, actually.

[psychic_therapy]

War is war. And honestly... it's against Dracula, who's not so much a boy scout, either. It'd be like if he waged war on Latveria.

Which, would be a pretty sweet story, actually.

Understood... the "victim" also determines the dirtiness of the deed.

[worstblogever]

Understood... the "victim" also determines the dirtiness of the deed.

Which, should have no bearing on it, in all reality, but hey, the X-Forum isn't an actual judge or jury, so whatevah.

[psychic_therapy]

Which, should have no bearing on it, in all reality, but hey, the X-Forum isn't an actual judge or jury, so whatevah.

Well, killing a soldier in Vlad Tepes army is much less heinous than, say, killing Hope.

[Lester C.]

Being the ultimate loser. Guy has the power of a god and for seven thousand years has nothing but a losing track record.

[Beni]

Well, killing a soldier in Vlad Tepes army is much less heinous than, say, killing Hope.

It is the difference between X-Force and Bishop right now.. both are killers or attempting to kill.

[Gadget3440]

I voted other myself. For one who's apparently one of Marvel's most fearsome villains, he's done jack diddly. I knew he was an underachiever, but this just really highlights it.

Attempting to kill Franklin Richards is what one would expect of a villain. If he was successful, now that would have been something.

The best thing he did was curb stomp Sabretooth from behind when he rescued Pestilence.

[jmc247]

Being the ultimate loser. Guy has the power of a god and for seven thousand years has nothing but a losing track record.

Not a bad choice... otherwise I would go with the crap he pulled in The Twelve.

[ChaZ X]

While I admit that Old Poccy Lips hasn't had a heck of a lot of luck in appearances in X-books, The guys been around for thousands of years so he's probably done a lot that hasn't been told yet. I mean think about it he probably tested out his survival of the fittest stuff a lot before he found that many other mutants. He was probably wiping out whole villages back in the day, maybe that whole mid east country that was mentioned, it's just now they've repopulated Or no one knew there was ever anything there since it was so long ago.

I know if it didn't happen in a book it didn't offically happen for voting as a dirty deed, but don't thhink he's a wuss without all the facts.

Also on the flip side, imagine if like way down the line(future) he was considered someone who helped the mutant race? he helped several depowered mutants get some semblance of power back, he's, arguably improved several mutants and thus made them better able to defend mutant kind.

Guess it depends on who writes the history books huh?

[limerick]

I still think it's what he did to Warren. It was just a heinous act, which shook the Original 5 to their core.
One thing in Apocalypse's favour was he did save Warren from certain death by removing him from the plane just before it was about to explode.Okay,what he did after that wasn't nice but Warren'd be seafood now if it wasn't for Apocalypse!

[psychic_therapy]

One thing in Apocalypse's favour was he did save Warren from certain death by removing him from the plane just before it was about to explode.Okay,what he did after that wasn't nice but Warren'd be seafood now if it wasn't for Apocalypse!

That would be the anti-dirty deed for Apocalypse. Bad enough he seems strangely lacking in dirty deeds!

[Beni]

One thing in Apocalypse's favour was he did save Warren from certain death by removing him from the plane just before it was about to explode.Okay,what he did after that wasn't nice but Warren'd be seafood now if it wasn't for Apocalypse!

It seems like he can not do his job well as a villian! :biggrin:

[Canemacar]

It seems like he can not do his job well as a villian! :biggrin:

They should re-write him as a lovable oaf who tries to be a big bad villain but who's incompetence and good nature keep screwing things up for him.

You break into his lair, destroy his equipment and beat up his army only to find out he's baked you cookies and has guitar hero set up in the other room.

[Beni]

They should re-write him as a lovable oaf who tries to be a big bad villain but who's incompetence and good nature keep screwing things up for him.

You break into his lair, destroy his equipment and beat up his army only to find out he's baked you cookies and has guitar hero set up in the other room.

And he only gets horsemen sometimes just to have some friends to play with! :biggrin:

[worstblogever]

And he only gets horsemen sometimes just to have some friends to play with! :biggrin:

All too true. There was the champagne scene in the Xmas issue of X-Factor, where he had a champagne toast with them all, after all.


I bet they even had a Secret Santa gift exchange.

Plague got War syphilis. Then they all laughed.

[Beni]

All too true. There was the champagne scene in the Xmas issue of X-Factor, where he had a champagne toast with them all, after all.


I bet they even had a Secret Santa gift exchange.

Plague got War syphilis. Then they all laughed.

WBE, it is really surprising how Apocalypse had deeds but not too dirty. Would good deeds by Apocalypse be easier? :biggrin:

[worstblogever]

WBE, it is really surprising how Apocalypse had deeds but not too dirty. Would good deeds by Apocalypse be easier? :biggrin:

Other than saving Angel and Plague (for his own purposes, at least)... and allying himself against Onslaught and Stryfe (again, for his own purposes)... I can't think of any.

[Justin K.]

Other than saving Angel and Plague (for his own purposes, at least)... and allying himself against Onslaught and Stryfe (again, for his own purposes)... I can't think of any.

Helped the X-men a little bit in X-Cutioner's song

[worstblogever]

Helped the X-men a little bit in X-Cutioner's song

That would have been what I was referring to when I said he allied himself against Stryfe.