If Luthor relearned Superman ID would any supsect a BIG Showdown ?

[CMBMOOL]

I'm still displeased with how DC handled the fact that when Luthor knew Superman ID, he barely did anything about it, besides firing Clark Kent from the Daily Planet and then Buying the place.

I mean it could have been similar to the Spider-man vs Green Goblin fights.

So here what I'm asking all of you....If Luthor ever relearned Superman ID, would anyone suspect a BIG arc between the two of them with the rest of the DCU in the middle and leading up to a big showdown ?

I mean come on, it worked for Spider-man. :frown:

[jgiannantoni05]

You have history wrong. In 1999, Lex stopped owning the Daily Planet. In 2002, Lex found out Clark Kent is Superman. All Lex did really was tell Pete Ross, then Manchester Black wiped Lex's mind. He did nothing to the Planet or Clark's job that I remember.

I wish DC did more during the time Lex briefly knew, but I don't want Lex to relearn, and I especially don't want Lex to know permanently. Superman's identity is still special and important to the mythos. This isn't Spider-Man.

Clark would always have to look over his shoulder, Lex would never rest. Ruin Clark's independent character.
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[CMBMOOL]

You have history wrong. In 1999, Lex stopped owning the Daily Planet. In 2002, Lex found out Clark Kent is Superman. All Lex did really was tell Pete Ross, then Manchester Black wiped Lex's mind. He did nothing to the Planet or Clark's job that I remember.

I wish DC did more during the time Lex briefly knew, but I don't want Lex to relearn, and I especially don't want Lex to know permanently. Superman's identity is still special and important to the mythos. This isn't Spider-Man.

Clark would always have to look over his shoulder, Lex would never rest. Ruin Clark's independent character.

Thanks for the time lesson, but still it could have been much fun to see Luthor trying to attack Superman on all sides as both his Human ID and his Superhuman id. :tongue:

[jgiannantoni05]

but still it could have been much fun to see Luthor trying to attack Superman on all sides as both his Human ID and his Superhuman id.
It would be fun, just not so much for canon.

If DC did "What Ifs", the story would be a must. But alas, DC doesn't.
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[dreyga2000]

I thought Luthor learn of Clark's identity but his own ego would refuse to allow him to believe that his greatest enemy could be such a such average joe... Or something to that respect...

[Pedrocas]

This is why I prefer Marvel over DC. Osborn learns of Spidey's secret identity and what does he do with it? Kills Peter's girlfriend. Kingpin discovers Daredevil's secret identity and promptly destroys Matt's life.

So, when Lex learns Supes is Clark and all he does is telling it to someone else, it's plain stupid.

[jgiannantoni05]

So, when Lex learns Supes is Clark and all he does is telling it to someone else, it's plain stupid.
Lex didn't know for long, unlike Norman or Kingpin. As soon as he found out, he promptly killed the messenger, right in his oval office. And probably started his planning his next move (his dismantling of Clark Kent's life). Before he could put it in action, he was mindwiped by Black. While being mindwiped, Lex was scrambling to save documents and computer files that he prepared, but they were all erased.
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[marshal99]

The power of knowing gave Luthor a lot of satisfaction in lording over superman as the president at that time.

[Sean Whitmore]

It also resulted in a great (non-violent) confrontation between the two characters by Joe Kelly.

I don't buy that someone had to die for there to have been a good story.


SEAN

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I thought it was a missed opportunity.

After Loeb left, there seemed to be a bit of uncertainty over what to do with Prez Lex and the new General Zod which nobody seemed to like as soon as it became clear that it was the General Zod.

I did like some of what Kelly did, but I thought it was a mistake having it undone by Manchester Black, who never really did it for me as anything more than a one-note Snotty Brit Comic Writer parody.

I think they should have lifted the Mr.Mykzptlk mindwipe from both the Morrison/Waid/Millar pitch and the similar Loeb/Casey/Kelly team.

I think Superman, his life in ruins after Lex destroys his life, would have no choice but to ask that 5th Dimensional scamp to undo it all with a price: Once every three months, Superman has to help Mxy with some act of spectacular mischeif.

[Rik Levins]

If you haven't seen them, read the first of John Byrne's "Generations" series, for a good idea of what Luthor COULD do to Superman, if he knew the secret. It makes Osborn and Kingpin's revenge schemes look like child's play.

I think Superman, his life in ruins after Lex destroys his life, would have no choice but to ask that 5th Dimensional scamp to undo it all with a price: Once every three months, Superman has to help Mxy with some act of spectacular mischeif.


That's...a really intriguing idea. It would explain all those "Superdick" covers, wouldn't it?

[Toonimator]

That's...a really intriguing idea. It would explain all those "Superdick" covers, wouldn't it?
Could be a fun thing... sorta Superman's "Void" where for all the GOOD he does, every 3 months he has to participate in some monumental prank. Mxy'd probably let Supes get away with NOT doing anything deadly/violent or lasting (eg, causing economies to collapse). Just something Mxy'd get a kick out of making Superman do... part humiliating, part mischievous. Could be a running subplot that nobody knows the cause of these periodic pranks, but when the Prankster starts getting blamed for them he investigates since the pranks are showing him up, and when he discovers Superman is behind them he takes it as a personal insult/challenge and steps up his game in return.

I'll have to check out Generations... I think i only skimmed it in stores years ago, but it's been on my 'want' list (even the later volumes, though I recall opinions on 'em generally being unfavorable)

[Rik Levins]

The first "Generations" (a four-issue mini), is quite good. The second is okay. Ignore the third.

[CMBMOOL]

I think Superman, his life in ruins after Lex destroys his life, would have no choice but to ask that 5th Dimensional scamp to undo it all with a price: Once every three months, Superman has to help Mxy with some act of spectacular mischeif.

That would almost be a similar odd and yet ironic twist to the whole Spider-man OMD deal debate going on. :redface:

[marshal99]

Lex never do anything about knowing superman's identity because he was the prez and he loves to lord it over superman , gives him a edge , a superiority complex over supes by knowing his secret.
Everything that Luthor has done is always trying to rub it into superman's face that he's better. It fits the smug arrogant persona that Luthor had at the time.

[earl]

I thought that it was cool in the Byrne run when Lex is told straight up that Clark Kent is Superman and his ego doesn't allow himself to believe it.

[dupersuper]

I thought Luthor learn of Clark's identity but his own ego would refuse to allow him to believe that his greatest enemy could be such a such average joe... Or something to that respect...

That was Superman #2. Lex was told again even more convincingly years later when he was president.

[brundlefly]

Lex never do anything about knowing superman's identity because he was the prez and he loves to lord it over superman , gives him a edge , a superiority complex over supes by knowing his secret.
Everything that Luthor has done is always trying to rub it into superman's face that he's better. It fits the smug arrogant persona that Luthor had at the time.

Truth. That's what was so cool about Lex's reaction to learning Clark was Superman. He had already beaten him by being elected President of the United States, despite all of Superman's efforts to stop that from happening; Now Superman had to (begrudgingly) answer to him. Finding out Superman's real identity was just icing on the cake of that victory. Lex saw his war with Superman as a chess match and he had already delivered the checkmate. It's more satisfying in that situation to let your enemy live, knowing that you are his better and that you had defeated him, then to pointlessly keep trying to kill him. Particularly since Superman was now an asset to President Lex, as a defense against threats to the USA and Earth. No need to go on a crude "OMG I found out who really are and now I'm gonna kill your mommy and daddy and all your friends!!!" psycho rampage; that's beneath him. The confrontation between Lex and Superman in Joe Kelly's Action Comics #795, "The Thirteenth Hour," was far more satisfying than any "Born Again" knockoff, with Lex blowing up the Kent farm or whatever.