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DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-17-2009, 05:49 PM

Your avatar totally kills the effect of such a post, lol.

Fatguy

04-17-2009, 05:51 PM

And you forgot about Storm/BP fans. They are nutty!

Oy, forgot them too. I take it back, everybody here is batshit. Except Cable fans.

Optic Rage!

04-17-2009, 05:52 PM

Optic Rage! is easily the most stable Cyclops fan.

Awww, thank you kenners.

Also, I'm not angry, I'm Irish...we swear an awful lot.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-17-2009, 05:52 PM

Oy, forgot them too. I take it back, everybody here is batshit. Except Cable fans.

RW might not be crazy, but his Cable-related theories/wishlists are pretty out there.

Slung

04-17-2009, 05:53 PM

Huh huh. Cause the average UXM thread of late and all the MC whining doesn't prove us right.

All those straight-faced PHOENIX conversations beg to differ. :wink:

To be fair, it's more the 'Cyke is such a Stu, but any female leader beats him at everything and stop saying they're Sues, you sexist f**k' mentally that gets on one's nerves.

The whining is because many are sick of Cyclops being shoved down our throats. And the crazy Phoenix conversations are usually limited to Jean's own thread and do not intrude upon others. And finally, Cyke IS a Stu. He didn't use to be, but since Morrison, he has been.

Oh, and there is no reason for Cyclops to have an Appreciation thread on here - the editors and writers of the X-Books have regular Cyclops Appreciation interviews that are much more prestigious.

I have to agree with Slung on this point. There seem to be more R'Chel fans here (God knows why) than Jean fans, even. Jean/Emma disputes rarely escalate to the level of Cyclops/Storm arguments, either.

As far as the "organized Dazzler cult" ... I'll take that as praise. The Glitterati thank you, Slung! Now bear tribute to our goddess ....
I bear tribute to your goddess. There.

eurazn

04-17-2009, 05:54 PM

To be honest, I have no idea whether Locke meant Rage, Omega or me.

Rage's the angriest by far, by Omega and I can be confrontational jerks too. Oh well.

Yes, I don't know who she meant, either, lol! Like I said, I was just stirring the pot because I thought it was funny the two of you posted within 2 posts of each other or so.

Never mind, maybe it seemed more clever to me at the time than it was in execution ...

Slung

04-17-2009, 05:55 PM

Oy, forgot them too. I take it back, everybody here is batshit. Except Cable fans.

rwsmith is as nutsos as they come. Love him. But his desire to see well-hung hairy bears with guns, knives, claws and pouches wrestle to the death is not healthy.

Fatguy

04-17-2009, 05:56 PM

I love Optic Rage!, so lets not burden him with expectations of being stable. He could never realistically live up to that.

Slung

04-17-2009, 05:56 PM

I love Optic Rage!, so lets not burden him with expectations of being stable. He could never realistically live up to that.

Is anyone on here stable though?

Fatguy

04-17-2009, 05:57 PM

rwsmith is as nutsos as they come. Love him. But his desire to see well-hung hairy bears with guns, knives, claws and pouches wrestle to the death is not healthy.

I'm a Cable fan AND a Wolverine fan, and I'm also the Urban Dictionary definition of "Got it Together".

Optic Rage!

04-17-2009, 05:58 PM

I love Optic Rage!, so lets not burden him with expectations of being stable. He could never realistically live up to that.

WHAT??? Aw...come on.

I'm pretty stable.

Slung

04-17-2009, 05:59 PM

I'm a Cable fan AND a Wolverine fan, and I'm also the Urban Dictionary definition of "Got it Together".

Everyone thinks they themselves have it together. I'm pretty positive dn@n thinks he's the sanest one on here - but he likes Sage.

Fatguy

04-17-2009, 05:59 PM

Everyone thinks they themselves have it together. I'm pretty positive dn@n thinks he's the sanest one on here - but he likes Sage.

No no no no. I'm solid, Slung.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-17-2009, 06:00 PM

And finally, Cyke IS a Stu. He didn't use to be, but since Morrison, he has been.

Compared to B/C-listers, yes. Just like every other A-lister.

Compared A-listers, no. I seem to vaguely recall the bitter CBR collective reminding us of that fact.

The fair comparison's the whole effin point.

Oh, and there is no reason for Cyclops to have an Appreciation thread on here - the editors and writers of the X-Books have regular Cyclops Appreciation interviews that are much more prestigious.

I fail to see how this doesn't count as a 'we're not crazy' argument. :tongue:

DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-17-2009, 06:00 PM

WHAT??? Aw...come on.

I'm pretty stable.

As in always being so ang... irish, then yes, you qualify. :wink:

Optic Rage!

04-17-2009, 06:03 PM

Ok, LOL.

So maybe i'm a little angry.

Slung

04-17-2009, 06:05 PM

Ok, LOL.

So maybe i'm a little angry.

I was terrified of your anger once upon a time. I thought you were going to hunt me down and have your way with my ear canal!

DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-17-2009, 06:05 PM

Ok, LOL.

So maybe i'm a little angry.

Stay true to thy self.

Besides, we'd have no idea on how to handle ya if you started being uber-nice all around. :wink:

Optic Rage!

04-17-2009, 06:08 PM

I was terrified of your anger once upon a time. I thought you were going to hunt me down and have your way with my ear canal!

Would you not rather take my anger out on some other part of your body?

Slung

04-17-2009, 06:12 PM

Would you not rather take my anger out on some other part of your body?

Well, I just don't think you would fit in my nostril.

Anna

04-17-2009, 06:16 PM

R'chel was a low point for Rachel; but not nearly as low as pink/punk dazzgrrl!

Henry T.

04-17-2009, 06:17 PM

I've seen a few nutty ones (the ones who have turned Jean into a religion)

Turning science fiction/fantasy into a religion worked for L. Ron Hubbard.

We could have had tax exempt status and sheeple. :frown:

eurazn

04-17-2009, 06:17 PM

R'chel was a low point for Rachel; but not nearly as low as pink/punk dazzgrrl!

Okay, but what member of the Glitterati will argue with you on that point? lol.

Bronze Badger

04-17-2009, 06:18 PM

R'chel was a low point for Rachel; but not nearly as low as pink/punk dazzgrrl!

I'm sorry I honestly can't think of a high point for Rachel.

Novaya Havoc

04-17-2009, 06:18 PM

R'chel was a low point for Rachel; but not nearly as low as pink/punk dazzgrrl!

And?

This just proves that Claremont finds new and amazing ways to find low points for characters nowadays.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-17-2009, 06:23 PM

And?

This just proves that Claremont finds new and amazing ways to find low points for characters nowadays.

Wait, wait, how does that fit in with the Forever crusade? :biggrin:

Novaya Havoc

04-17-2009, 06:24 PM

Wait, wait, how does that fit in with the Forever crusade? :biggrin:

Because that is X-Men: Corrections. Unfettered from disgusting, heretical post-1991 continuity constraints, Claremont is free to correct continuity.

Anna

04-17-2009, 06:31 PM

I'm sorry I honestly can't think of a high point for Rachel.

She was at her most beautiful when she briefly wore the red Phoenix costume.

Bronze Badger

04-17-2009, 06:32 PM

Because that is X-Men: Corrections. Unfettered from disgusting, heretical post-1991 continuity constraints, Claremont is free to correct continuity.

Actually it is called X-Men: NON-CANON!!! Five bucks Sage shows up before issue #5.

CmX

04-17-2009, 06:32 PM

She was at her most beautiful when she briefly wore the red Phoenix costume.

Wait no, she still had a mullet and was whiney.

Bronze Badger

04-17-2009, 06:33 PM

Wait no, she still had a mullet and was whiney.

Mullet = FAIL. See Longshot.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-17-2009, 06:34 PM

Because that is X-Men: Corrections. Unfettered from disgusting, heretical post-1991 continuity constraints, Claremont is free to correct continuity.

Oh. So he won't f**k up any character or story in any whatsoever way.

Fair enough. I'll just wait for the validation and mass denial to kick in.

Novaya Havoc

04-17-2009, 06:37 PM

Actually it is called X-Men: NON-CANON!!! Five bucks Sage shows up before issue #5.

And sales will triple (PAD's dream!) on the title once she does!

Wait no, she still had a mullet and was whiney.

LOL! Win.

Oh. So he won't f**k up any character or story in any whatsoever way.

Fair enough. I'll just wait for the validation and mass denial to kick in.

Of course not. That's why it is correcting continuity. This way, we won't have to suffer through Austen or Fraction.

Anna

04-17-2009, 06:38 PM

Mullet = FAIL. See Longshot.
His hair is no worse than his taste in women, though that seems to be improving

DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-17-2009, 06:45 PM

Of course not. That's why it is correcting continuity. This way, we won't have to suffer through Austen or Fraction.

See, it's comments like that that throw me off.

To see you of all people becoming one of them makes no sense whatsoever. Surely it's all for the lulz. And yet part of me believes that you *do* hate Fraction that much that you'd temporarily go for it.

I'm no active member of the Glitterati, but surely there's a rule against the CC worship, right?

eurazn

04-17-2009, 06:48 PM

His hair is no worse than his taste in women, though that seems to be improving

I've always been one to say early era Rogue was a little on the butch side, but even that statement from you was a little cruel, Anna! Hi-Fi will regulate momentarily ...

Bronze Badger

04-17-2009, 06:51 PM

I've always been one to say early era Rogue was a little on the butch side, but even that statement from you was a little cruel, Anna! Hi-Fi will regulate momentarily ...

At least Rogue grew out of the '80's. Rachel and Longshot did not.

Novaya Havoc

04-17-2009, 06:53 PM

See, it's comments like that that throw me off.

To see you of all people becoming one of them makes no sense whatsoever. Surely it's all for the lulz. And yet part of me believes that you *do* hate Fraction that much that you'd temporarily go for it.

I'm no active member of the Glitterati, but surely there's a rule against the CC worship, right?

We have neutralized CC to the point where we can now stand in his corner.

Especially compared to Fraction. And you are correct: I do hate Fraction since he is now CC v. 2.0. Mike Carey once held that title, but has since redeemed himself. Fraction is to H&M as CC is to Chic. Both are incredibly timely and will soon fall out of fashion.

CC's legacy must persevere compared to Fraction's abhorrent sins. CC was destroyed on satellite titles. Fraction is currently writing the flagship. Nuance.

Anna

04-17-2009, 06:54 PM

I've always been one to say early era Rogue was a little on the butch side, but even that statement from you was a little cruel, Anna! Hi-Fi will regulate momentarily ...

Oh, come on! Don't you remember who his baby mama is? Hint: She's part of the Sisterhood....

Aguja

04-17-2009, 07:01 PM

Oh. So he won't f**k up any character or story in any whatsoever way.

Fair enough. I'll just wait for the validation and mass denial to kick in.

You seem frighteningly obsessed with Claremont. Did he spurn your advances?

Slung

04-17-2009, 07:02 PM

You seem frighteningly obsessed with Claremont. Did he spurn your advances?

He's part of the anti-CC fandom. They are crazy too.

Novaya Havoc

04-17-2009, 07:04 PM

He's part of the anti-CC fandom. They are crazy too.

You should be against him, too. Claremont despises Jena Grey returning to usurp his pets Madelyne Pryor and Rachel Grey.

darknessatnoon can provide you a scan of tentacle-clad, sewer-loving Jean.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-17-2009, 07:14 PM

You seem frighteningly obsessed with Claremont. Did he spurn your advances?

Actually, I'm a hetero brown-haired w.a.s.p.

It's purely self-preservation.

DocSpin

04-17-2009, 07:49 PM

Novaya Havoc

04-17-2009, 07:51 PM

“There’s a reason why it’s taken ten issues to get the Queen ready and set up how and why she’s trying to get rid of the X-Men.”

Yup -- it's sometimes called "decompressed writing" or somtimes "packaging it for the trade" or even more heinously "let the little suckers spend forty bucks for a single story". :rolleyes:

Most. Definitely.

I liked Brubaker's run. I was fine with the drawn out Hippie/Russia arc, since I knew it was building to #500.

Post-500 gets no excuses. This is just intolerable crap.

The Thunderbird

04-17-2009, 10:13 PM

Could the Sisterhood want to do to the other character what they did to Psylocke not involve about body swap, but rather corrupting the character like what the solicit said? You know, something like this:
http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=previews/marvelcomics/uncannyxmen/508/UNCX509012_col.jpg
Is this what they want to do with the other character?

CmX

04-17-2009, 10:36 PM

My guess is they succeeded in swapping Betsy's body, so now Maddie will try and do the same thing but with Jean's body.

Poor Betsy she looks so rattled in that preview! This has to work/stick. Spiral was the one to begin with who originally switched Psylocke's psyche out. She must be able to do the exact same thing again and it work.

crichjarvis

04-17-2009, 10:39 PM

I haven't read the latest issue... but...
I liked the first Fraction arc with Land on art... the Sisterhood setup... and am looking forward to this continuation.
Fraction seems to have a good road map for some X-Men stories that draw on past strength and core characters...

X-Club is kinda interesting fringe story that's been a huge theme since M-Day, Endangered Species etc.
The Colossus Russian Mob story was boring...

Looking forward to the Dark X-Men idea... not sure if that's Prof. X for real... could it be a shape shifter? Mystique????

And what's wrong with Land-Porn art in X-Men... I mean, I like to read comics... I like watch hot little porn girls...
Why not combine the two interests?
He's not my favorite artist, but the style doesn't make me not want to read about the X-Men...

Bronze Badger

04-17-2009, 10:42 PM

And what's wrong with Land-Porn art in X-Men... I mean, I like to read comics... I like watch hot little porn girls...
Why not combine the two interests?

http://imagechan.com/images/epic%20fail.jpeg

crichjarvis

04-17-2009, 11:14 PM

http://imagechan.com/images/epic%20fail.jpeg

Are you trying to show me how bad a job someone can do trying to COPY something that's supposed to represent beauty (i.e. Land and girls)?
(BTW this is kinda mean/sad/harsh if this picture really is someone's dead wife)

Or are you telling me I'm a failure at posting messages?

Sorry. I'm easily confused.

CmX

04-17-2009, 11:15 PM

Who cares. That shit was hilarious.

pariah-1972

04-18-2009, 12:04 AM

Not to sound like a prude but I really would like to keep porn and comics as separate as possible.

DeniseXfrost

04-18-2009, 12:23 AM

Are you trying to show me how bad a job someone can do trying to COPY something that's supposed to represent beauty (i.e. Land and girls)?
(BTW this is kinda mean/sad/harsh if this picture really is someone's dead wife)

Or are you telling me I'm a failure at posting messages?

Sorry. I'm easily confused.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8899/a0418217.gif (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a0418217.gif)

More failness.

urban_empath.

04-18-2009, 12:25 AM

I'm assuming that you don't think you're part of the crazy collective?

Why are the craziest fans the ones that believe everyone else is wrong?

And in interviews they stated Hope wasn't Jean. In the books they went out of their way to imply that she was. The fact that you decided the interviews over-rode the books does not make you right. Red hair, green eyes, grabbing the Jean and Scott locket.

i just liked that and agree.

crichjarvis

04-18-2009, 12:57 AM

Not to sound like a prude but I really would like to keep porn and comics as separate as possible.

I don't want anyone to think I'm rubbing one out looking at Land's art...
I just don't mind seeing sexy X-Women... (even if they all have the same face).
Silvestri always draws over the top babes...

Does this X-Community like Silvestri?
Do you hate Land because he traces? Or because he traces porn faces?

Slung

04-18-2009, 01:09 AM

I don't want anyone to think I'm rubbing one out looking at Land's art...
I just don't mind seeing sexy X-Women... (even if they all have the same face).
Silvestri always draws over the top babes...

Does this X-Community like Silvestri?
Do you hate Land because he traces? Or because he traces porn faces?

But Silvestri didn't recycle the same old porno poses over and over.

crichjarvis

04-18-2009, 01:11 AM

So looking forward to Silvestri's Dark X-Men oneshot!
Loved seeing him draw the Messiah Complex oneshot...

Has he done any other X-Men books since the Here Comes Tomorrow Morrison book?

Slung

04-18-2009, 01:12 AM

So looking forward to Silvestri's Dark X-Men oneshot!
Loved seeing him draw the Messiah Complex oneshot...

Has he done any other X-Men books since the Here Comes Tomorrow Morrison book?

Just covers I think.

pariah-1972

04-18-2009, 01:45 AM

I don't want anyone to think I'm rubbing one out looking at Land's art...
I just don't mind seeing sexy X-Women... (even if they all have the same face).
Silvestri always draws over the top babes...

Does this X-Community like Silvestri?
Do you hate Land because he traces? Or because he traces porn faces?There's a big different between having sexy women in comics and them being porno.

the new Cap issue has some sexxy scenes with Sharon Carter but there's nothing porno about them.

crichjarvis

04-18-2009, 01:53 AM

There's a big different between having sexy women in comics and them being porno.

the new Cap issue has some sexxy scenes with Sharon Carter but there's nothing porno about them.

How about that scene in the last X-Force with Boom Boom (oops... Meltdown) tied up in the chair...
BoomBoom!

Seriously... Land's porn drawings don't bother me...
Safe to say I'm in the minority.

Aguja

04-18-2009, 02:14 AM

How about that scene in the last X-Force with Boom Boom (oops... Meltdown) tied up in the chair...
BoomBoom!

.

X-Force is a snuff title so such scenes are expected. Uncanny is not.

Slung

04-18-2009, 02:15 AM

How about that scene in the last X-Force with Boom Boom (oops... Meltdown) tied up in the chair...
BoomBoom!

Seriously... Land's porn drawings don't bother me...
Safe to say I'm in the minority.

These really don't bother you?

http://romosome.pyoko.org/pic/scans/land/landshameless.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2636/pornface0011an1.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/investcomics/glpornfaceswipe1.gif

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7108/glpfaceap2.jpg

Slung

04-18-2009, 02:19 AM

Even if I wasn't offended by the porn faces (or in some cases porn poses), the way he recycles and swipes is ridiculous. Or the way his anatomy (arms sticking out of shoulders, whole sides of people's bodies being deformed or not draw at all, missing limbs, dislocated necks, etc).

http://www.4thletter.net/gregland.gif

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m7/rorogarion/newsarama/FFLand1.gif

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee245/bartfargo/GregLandGuess/hmmmmm4kt.gif

DeniseXfrost

04-18-2009, 02:22 AM

Even if I wasn't offended by the porn faces (or in some cases porn poses), the way he recycles and swipes is ridiculous. Or the way his anatomy (arms sticking out of shoulders, whole sides of people's bodies being deformed or not draw at all, missing limbs, dislocated necks, etc).

True the silly grind and smirk gets me all the time. I especially wanted to punch Emma in the face for making the silly poses.

crichjarvis

04-18-2009, 02:31 AM

crichjarvis

04-18-2009, 02:34 AM

And the artist from the new Astonishing book.

Slung

04-18-2009, 02:36 AM

Doesn't bother me...

But these are some great examples of bad Land panels...

I think when you look at the panels individually, it screams bad taste or "I obviously traced this." (though I've read Land continues to say he, "References," these pics and doesn't trace).

Does Marvel or Joe Q. go on record to defend Land?

But when you look at a comic book he's drawn as a whole... I still enjoy it... It's still very modern and very "real life"... not so cartoony...
I do like the other regular Uncanny artist... name is not coming to me... loved his last issue with that Bronze Age Monster coming up out of the swamp... and Angel turning into Archangel and gutting it...

It bothers me more when I see Norman Osbord lookalike Tommy Lee Jones in Dark Avengers...

Love Silvestri...
Love the X-Force artist Clayton Crain...
Love Adam Kubert from Ultimate run
Loved Jim Lee back in the day...

But that first one I posted is like a straight up picture of sex. And I get tired of seeing the same poses and faces in the same issue. Believe me, when Endsong came out, I thought Land was amazing. Now I've seen the same porn face over and over again, its getting old. If he got new photo references (and didn't use obvious porn) I would be fine with it, but apparently he only has a handful of porn pictures to use over and over again.

RoguishGurl

04-18-2009, 02:54 AM

I knew this reminded me of something...

http://i39.tinypic.com/2q9cdoj.jpg

It's not wrong when you trace your own work, right?

Slung

04-18-2009, 03:04 AM

I knew this reminded me of something...

http://i39.tinypic.com/2q9cdoj.jpg

It's not wrong when you trace your own work, right?

I'm just scared at what was happening to that girl's mouth he traced to make those faces. Ick.

peopleofpaper

04-18-2009, 03:19 AM

I knew this reminded me of something...

http://i39.tinypic.com/2q9cdoj.jpg

It's not wrong when you trace your own work, right?

oh gosh. why does he do this? and why does marvel allow him to do this? :confused:

i think his art looks great but when i see the comparisons it's really lame. plus i already assumed British Betsy might be too reminiscent of his Pixie with her pastel hair and all.

crichjarvis

04-18-2009, 03:31 AM

Guess I shouldn't have taken up a defense of Land on my first post!

Interesting comment earlier about the Phoenix force leaving Rachel/Korvus in space...
Looking forward to how this all get's resolved...
Though I feel like the Maddie/RedQueen arc will end up being simplier than a huge Phoenix/Jean arc...
It would be too quick to do a 3-issue arc and then move on to Dark Avengers 6-issue crossover arc...

I think there's more connection between what's going on in the future of Cable/X-Force universe and Hope's connection with the Phoenix/Jean... I mean they showed Hope with the Phoenix in her eyes... so they're setting it up...
Joe/Marvel have said that they plan to bring Jean back, but that they want to make sure it's the right... not rushed.

In general, the X-Universe has a ton of plots that are really good.

Messiah Triology is great...
The new X-Force is a little over the top busy with all the deceased returning as techno-zombie-reincarnates... but love Yost/Crain... they can do no wrong.
Uncanny has Madelyn back and it doesn't seem corny...
Magneto is on the horizon...
X-Factor I just started picking up when Siren gave birth... so obviously I'm blown away.
The Space-X-Men are kinda useless... though I do like Havok still... and Polaris has great potential... I the Uncanny arc Rise and Fall... she was SO powerful with Apocolypse's reconstruction of her magnetic powers... it was great to see her as an archangel type... she kicked ass!
Now in War of Kings/Kingbreaker she is being referred to as having mutant magnetic powers... this is breaking with continuity, right?
What else... what else...

Can we have an alternate universe where Sinister rules...
Seriously... we've see Apocolypse rule and Magneto Rule...
Maybe in Forever, CC can have Sinister travel back in time to capture a pre-Cable Nathan Summers and rule the world with Nathan as his right hand man...

Even though I'm looking forward to the Dark Avengers crossover, I'm not a big fan of Emma working with Osbourn and X-Men being dragged into Marvel's 616 continuity...
Seems like there's enough going on without it.

pariah-1972

04-18-2009, 03:39 AM

How about that scene in the last X-Force with Boom Boom (oops... Meltdown) tied up in the chair...
BoomBoom!

Seriously... Land's porn drawings don't bother me...
Safe to say I'm in the minority.I thought it was hot, but it didn't look like Boom Boom to me even tho her look seems to constantly change she never had huge knockers like that except when Liefeld drew her and he made her look like a tranny most of the time.

worstblogever

04-18-2009, 04:04 AM

OMFG! Dagger's "X" is on her crotch! ROTFLMAO! Guess that really is Cloak though.

It's so Cloak doesn't miss and put it in the wrong hole again.

I knew this reminded me of something...

http://i39.tinypic.com/2q9cdoj.jpg

It's not wrong when you trace your own work, right?

Word, RG. Straight up WORD. And while we're at it... this next post, Slung made me realize something...

These really don't bother you?

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7108/glpfaceap2.jpg

I don't have my issue with me, but I'm pretty sure Emma, in that panel where she's holding her head? Didn't she make that same face, and reaction, when the "psychic event" hit her in Uncanny #508? Or is it just heinously similar porn face reaction?

ManiacalWon

04-18-2009, 04:06 AM

oh gosh. why does he do this? and why does marvel allow him to do this? :confused:

You know... I pay good money for original art and story...

I want a refund.

This is ridiculous...

There are so many artists... begging for work... and this guy...within... several issues of the same title... reuses images and passes them off to us.

I looked at those panels... and thought they looked familiar... *SIGH*...

Marvel.. Hello? Do you even care?

Justin K.

04-18-2009, 04:07 AM

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7108/glpfaceap2.jpg

Wasn't the bottom shot of Jean re-used in X-men: Legacy?
Looks an awful lot like Sway's death

worstblogever

04-18-2009, 04:15 AM

Having looked at the previews, now... I am happy to see Colossus and Rockslide at a Raiders game, amongst the deranged Raiders Nation fans from the Black Hole. Although, I never knew Piotr was a football fan. Rockslide, I could totally believe, but whatever.

I googled "Raider Nation", and look what I found?

http://sports-venue.info/sitebuilder/images/Raider_Nation2-573x382.jpg

Do you think Greg Land asked these people for permission to use their likeness?

And, that Uncanny #512 cover? Giant Robot? GO MADISON JEFFRIES! WOOT!

Nicoclaws

04-18-2009, 04:21 AM

Having looked at the previews, now... I am happy to see Colossus and Rockslide at a Raiders game, amongst the deranged Raiders Nation fans from the Black Hole. Although, I never knew Piotr was a football fan. Rockslide, I could totally believe, but whatever.

He is beefy and tall. According to Fraction's logic, he probably is a (american)football fan - now that he got past Katya, he's having "fun".

worstblogever

04-18-2009, 04:27 AM

He is beefy and tall. According to Fraction's logic, he probably is a (american)football fan - now that he got past Katya, he's having "fun".

I think this guy's got the same pose and face makeup as the guy on the right... different eyes, though.

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper846/stills/1t5izrg5.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_czpdXPp3lNM/SE6jStIuffI/AAAAAAAAAB4/ccx-qNthXXs/S660/IMG_0234.jpg

I mean, Jesus, the jersey number is even traced.

x_goalkeeper

04-18-2009, 04:31 AM

worstblogever

04-18-2009, 04:35 AM

That is a football player? :eek:

I would hate to be the opponent!

No, Xgk.... that's just an Oakland Raider fan, from the stands. I'm noticing Greg Land used him for "reference" material.

Nicoclaws

04-18-2009, 04:37 AM

I think this guy's got the same pose and face makeup as the guy on the right... different eyes, though.

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper846/stills/1t5izrg5.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_czpdXPp3lNM/SE6jStIuffI/AAAAAAAAAB4/ccx-qNthXXs/S660/IMG_0234.jpg

I mean, Jesus, the jersey number is even traced.

Oh my guinness... Even on the forehead.. "ah, crap, there's light, I can't trace the zebra stripes... let's put a sticker there, and make it a white man and change his lips into teeth... perfect."

worstblogever

04-18-2009, 04:38 AM

Oh my guinness... Even on the forehead.. "ah, crap, there's light, I can't trace the zebra stripes... let's put a sticker there, and make it a white man and change his lips into teeth... perfect."

I think he put a few spikes on the hat, too, but yeah. Same guy.

pariah-1972

04-18-2009, 05:08 AM

Is the picture above the photograph supposed to be Greg Land trace?

x_goalkeeper

04-18-2009, 05:12 AM

No, Xgk.... that's just an Oakland Raider fan, from the stands. I'm noticing Greg Land used him for "reference" material.

I knew that :wink:

I have seen some american football games on TV, and I know they do not have the spikes on their bodies like that :smile:

worstblogever

04-18-2009, 05:44 AM

Is the picture above the photograph supposed to be Greg Land trace?

No, it's just the same fan, in a similar pose. Go to the original post in this thread... click on the link, and look at some of the preview images from Uncanny. One of them has Colossus and Rockslide at a Raider game... and... this fan in particular seems to have been honored by Greg Land with a place in an issue in Uncanny.

Tooling around while google image searching "Raider Nation fans", I found a few that have similar makeup, or jerseys to the other fans in his art, but couldn't quite match the poses. #57 here, though... dead on. Actually, I found a few other familiar faces with just "Raider Fans". Here's our two skull guys...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cnV-Xw7SoD8/RwrnCRZRW-I/AAAAAAAAAaw/rGiyOmOvszo/s320/raider_fans.jpg

And #72, here, has a different hat (and no teddy bears on his armor) in Land's art, but the makeup, and goatee are the same.

http://silverandblackdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/2779.jpg

And this guy, #57, again, is the fourth one there with Rockslide and Colossus.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_czpdXPp3lNM/SE6jStIuffI/AAAAAAAAAB4/ccx-qNthXXs/S660/IMG_0234.jpg

So, this all took me about what, five minutes of research to spot, on and off over an hour or so? Try harder, Land.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-18-2009, 06:34 AM

These really don't bother you?

http://romosome.pyoko.org/pic/scans/land/landshameless.jpg

I usually dislike the notion of quoting large scans, but.

omgomgomgomgomglololololololol.

Out of this freakin world.

scouse mouse

04-18-2009, 07:58 AM

worstblogever

04-18-2009, 08:27 AM

Talking about Land and his wonderful tracing, did any body else notice that he used the same Lady M profile shot twice in 508? The first when she is pointing her gun at the Red Queens head and then in reverse when she is arguing with Martinique! He just makes her hair a bit longer the first time he used it.

I mentioned that in the Uncanny #508 thread, yeah. I think it's like page 18 or 19 of it. Just plain lazy. And, with Dodson taking four months of art in between, you'd think Land would've had time to draw two different panels of Lady M's head, rather than duplicate one and reverse image it.

Mitteloss

04-18-2009, 10:19 AM

The Space-X-Men are kinda useless... though I do like Havok still... and Polaris has great potential... I the Uncanny arc Rise and Fall... she was SO powerful with Apocolypse's reconstruction of her magnetic powers... it was great to see her as an archangel type... she kicked ass!
Now in War of Kings/Kingbreaker she is being referred to as having mutant magnetic powers... this is breaking with continuity, right?

I know, isn't Lorna just awesome? Anyway, to answer your question... what if she IS infact a mutant again? In X-Men: Kingbreaker #1, the Shi'Ar scientists took tests on her and kept on referring to her as a mutant. And her hair hasn't grown a normal human colour at all since she's been 'depowered.' What if the Celestial Technology that Apocalypse used to give her the apparently artifical powers, infact reactivated her X-gene?

This is further backed up with Magneto recently been repowered by Celestial Technology in Uncanny and being confirmed by Joe Quesada to now be a mutant. His X-gene was clearly reactivated. And yes, Celestial Technology started the whole mutantkind thing in the first place.

In Uncanny X-Men #508, Beast reveals that the X-gene is still there, just deactivated. One of the scientists mentions something about trying outer space, Beast hasn't. This leads me to think that Magneto's and the HE's success at 'repowering' Magneto with the Celestial Tech (they went to outer space, go figure) they found is infact the key to saving mutantkind and can even work against Wanda's spell on the X-genes.

Therefore, yes, Polaris is a mutant again. So are Magneto and Sunfire.

mikekerr3

04-18-2009, 01:32 PM

Oy, forgot them too. I take it back, everybody here is batshit. Except Cable fans.

Whats crazy about being a Dust and Pixie fan, may I ask:biggrin:

Fatguy

04-18-2009, 01:39 PM

Whats crazy about being a Dust and Pixie fan, may I ask:biggrin:

Pixie is not on the approved list of characters who are allowed to have fans.

eurazn

04-18-2009, 02:08 PM

Pixie is not on the approved list of characters who are allowed to have fans.

Seconded. :tongue:

darknessatnoon

04-18-2009, 02:12 PM

I know, isn't Lorna just awesome? Anyway, to answer your question... what if she IS infact a mutant again? In X-Men: Kingbreaker #1, the Shi'Ar scientists took tests on her and kept on referring to her as a mutant. And her hair hasn't grown a normal human colour at all since she's been 'depowered.' What if the Celestial Technology that Apocalypse used to give her the apparently artifical powers, infact reactivated her X-gene?

This is further backed up with Magneto recently been repowered by Celestial Technology in Uncanny and being confirmed by Joe Quesada to now be a mutant. His X-gene was clearly reactivated. And yes, Celestial Technology started the whole mutantkind thing in the first place.

In Uncanny X-Men #508, Beast reveals that the X-gene is still there, just deactivated. One of the scientists mentions something about trying outer space, Beast hasn't. This leads me to think that Magneto's and the HE's success at 'repowering' Magneto with the Celestial Tech (they went to outer space, go figure) they found is infact the key to saving mutantkind and can even work against Wanda's spell on the X-genes.

Therefore, yes, Polaris is a mutant again. So are Magneto and Sunfire.

I read this post with the voice of "Walter" from Fringe in my mind.

pariah-1972

04-18-2009, 04:00 PM

All the fans on here are crazy cept for maybe Jean fan's but i am biased.

Slung

04-18-2009, 04:02 PM

All the fans on here are crazy cept for maybe Jean fan's but i am biased.

No, Jean fans are definitely crazy. There are just not enough of us and we are not vocal enough to be the craziest.

pariah-1972

04-18-2009, 04:05 PM

No, Jean fans are definitely crazy. There are just not enough of us and we are not vocal enough to be the craziest.I've never seen any of them do anything crazy.

they usually seem pretty tame.
Maybe it's because she has been dead?

Slung

04-18-2009, 04:06 PM

I've never seen any of them do anything crazy.

they usually seem pretty tame.
Maybe it's because she has been dead?

Some have taken it upon themselves to create a semi-religion about the Phoenix blurring the lines of fantasy and reality. That is a little...much for any fandom.

Prodigy55

04-18-2009, 04:07 PM

Jean fans are nuts.

pariah-1972

04-18-2009, 04:08 PM

Some have taken it upon themselves to create a semi-religion about the Phoenix blurring the lines of fantasy and reality. That is a little...much for any fandom.I heard about that recently but i assumed it was a joke.

Religions scare me i'm not sure if semi- make believe ones are going to be any better.

Slung

04-18-2009, 04:08 PM

Jean fans are nuts.

Name a crazy Jean fan on this site (don't say me or I will hunt you down and eat your left butt cheek).

FiddleFaddle

04-18-2009, 04:10 PM

Name a crazy Jean fan on this site (don't say me or I will hunt you down and eat your left butt cheek).

Yeah the left one is the tastier one.

darknessatnoon

04-18-2009, 04:11 PM

Name a crazy Jean fan on this site (don't say me or I will hunt you down and eat your left butt cheek).

The Almighty Pejo

pariah-1972

04-18-2009, 04:12 PM

Name a crazy Jean fan on this site (don't say me or I will hunt you down and eat your left butt cheek).I think i am a little crazy.

Slung

04-18-2009, 04:12 PM

The Almighty Pejo

Pejo is nice guy though. So I think that makes up for crazy, don't you?

Prodigy55

04-18-2009, 04:13 PM

I won't name names!

darknessatnoon

04-18-2009, 04:13 PM

Pejo is nice guy though. So I think that makes up for crazy, don't you?

No I don't.

crichjarvis

04-19-2009, 09:16 PM

When I read the article, I kept thinking the red queen is the scarlet witch. The scarlet witch has gone dark before. Just a thought. And why does every Avengers and X-Men team have to have a Wolverine?

I don't think she's the Scarlet Witch, 'cause like I said before... this is a 3 issue arc where the 3rd issue is everyone kicking the crap out of each other...

To bring the Scarlet Witch back in a short arc like this would be too rushed... Just like bring Jean back is too rushed.

Is there any connection to the Scarlet Witch and these sisterhood members? I don't think so...
And the Scarlet Witch wouldn't go after Scott with sexual fantasies and pose as his ex-wife... doesn't make sense.

If she comes back to the X-books it should be with Magneto's return I think! We know there's a big Magneto arc to come... Hopefully tying into the X-Clubs discoveries (if they ever get any)... and resolving the M-Day drama.

I just hope we don't go back to a world where there are a million lame mutants all over the earth...
Morrison's run was good, but the X-World is better with a small mutant community.

crichjarvis

04-20-2009, 12:54 AM

4sake

04-20-2009, 01:04 AM

BTW...
Are there any great stories to read after the Morrison run?
I've read pretty much read everything up until the Twelve saga... and then read the Morrison run... then skipped to Astonishing...
I didn't read any of the Austen run...
Anything good there?
I didn't read CC's second run with the House of M in the X-books. I read the House of M mini-series by Bendis...
And then picked up the books again with the Shi'ar Rise & Fall and Messiah Complex...

Anything I'm missing out on?

It all depends on what you like & how open you are to new ideas weather not you will think the stories are good are or not... Because some people like the some/many stories that you speaking about while many other people didn't/don't like them. So what characters do you like? I personally think there were alot of good stories & in that time period .

crichjarvis

04-20-2009, 01:17 AM

It all depends on what you like & how open you are to new ideas weather not you will think the stories are good are or not... Because some people like the some/many stories that you speaking about while many other people didn't/don't like them. So what characters do you like? I personally think there were alot of good stories & in that time period .

I think I'd like to read X-23 meets the X-Men in Uncanny...
Love X-23...
Let's see... I like Psylocke back in the day... she came back as a pretty cool ninja girl... but then gave her telepathy away to shut in the Shadow King...
Why didn't they just call Prof X or some telepath to hold the Shadow King in check... Betsy's better as a telepath.
Sounds like I'm getting my wish though.

I like Polaris... I actually read some of the Blood Of Apocolypse and thought it was OK... need to get the trade if it's available as the individual books are hard to find...

Havok was written off in Mutant X... never read any of that.

X-Treme X-Men was terrible... I bought the whole set cheap on eBay, but couldn't get through the series... read the God Loves Man Kills pt. 2 editorially mandated story and wanted to throw up... terrible...

I think even though terribly over exposed... Wolverine is obviously a great character to read...

Kitty, Rachel... I liked the first Excalibur series...

Emma is great... Gen X characters pretty much sucked though...

I grew up on CC and Silvestri, so any of those characters I'd have to say are favorites...
Including Dazzler... (nod to the Glitterati)
Colossus was killed off, but he was one of my favorites...

I do like Rogue and read some of the end of Carey's X-Men run with Rogue's team... I liked her there...

I like Cable...

What else, what else... ?

crichjarvis

04-20-2009, 01:18 AM

Slung

04-20-2009, 01:31 AM

crichjarvis

04-20-2009, 01:34 AM

Actually, as for Betsy losing her telepathy: she did not lose it, she merely held the Shadow King in check. Then Jean DID come along and helped her deal with the Shadow King which gave Betsy Jean's telekinesis and while Jean ended up with Betsy's shadow powers. Don't ask me how.

As for Gen X...WHAT? The first 25 issues of that series is GOLD. PURE GOLD.

1. What just happened to this thread?
All the posts from the past few days disappeared.

2. GenX... yeah... not sure... Jubilee is fun...
But... Skin? Chamber? Banshee?
enhhh...

worstblogever

04-20-2009, 01:43 AM

1. What just happened to this thread?
All the posts from the past few days disappeared.

2. GenX... yeah... not sure... Jubilee is fun...
But... Skin? Chamber? Banshee?
enhhh...

Bachalo art, and great stories from Lobdell. The Emma/Sean sexual tension, and their differing teaching methods made for a nice conflict, as did the early build of Emplate and his crew of goons. Plus, a bunch of kids with seemingly dull powers kept using them in amazing and creative ways to pull out wins.

crichjarvis

04-20-2009, 01:44 AM

Bachalo art, and great stories from Lobdell. The Emma/Sean sexual tension, and their differing teaching methods made for a nice conflict, as did the early build of Emplate and his crew of goons. Plus, a bunch of kids with seemingly dull powers kept using them in amazing and creative ways to pull out wins.

That's my problem.
Worst powers ever.

Nicoclaws

04-20-2009, 01:58 AM

That's my problem.
Worst powers ever.

Disagree here. Powers linked to puberty, really interesting. Not "powerful" but who cares ? New Mutants power were duller, according to me.

4sake

04-20-2009, 03:45 AM

I think I'd like to read X-23 meets the X-Men in Uncanny...
Love X-23...
Let's see... I like Psylocke back in the day... she came back as a pretty cool ninja girl... but then gave her telepathy away to shut in the Shadow King...
Why didn't they just call Prof X or some telepath to hold the Shadow King in check... Betsy's better as a telepath.
Sounds like I'm getting my wish though.

I like Polaris... I actually read some of the Blood Of Apocolypse and thought it was OK... need to get the trade if it's available as the individual books are hard to find...

Havok was written off in Mutant X... never read any of that.

X-Treme X-Men was terrible... I bought the whole set cheap on eBay, but couldn't get through the series... read the God Loves Man Kills pt. 2 editorially mandated story and wanted to throw up... terrible...

I think even though terribly over exposed... Wolverine is obviously a great character to read...

Kitty, Rachel... I liked the first Excalibur series...

Emma is great... Gen X characters pretty much sucked though...

I grew up on CC and Silvestri, so any of those characters I'd have to say are favorites...
Including Dazzler... (nod to the Glitterati)
Colossus was killed off, but he was one of my favorites...

I do like Rogue and read some of the end of Carey's X-Men run with Rogue's team... I liked her there...

I like Cable...

What else, what else... ?

re X-23 : well its was written my CC & she really didn't say or do all that much in the stories but meet Kurt, Storm & etc. But she really only talk to Psylocke in that the whole time she with that team other than out run & out start them. a lot he later brought Psylocke back live (the next arc I believe & that when here & X speak) X meets the team in 450 &stays to 451. Then she shows back up in 455 (which is the issue which Psylocke comes back alive ) Laura is currently in X-Force http://www.comicvine.com/x-23/29-3560/x-force/49-20511/ before that she was in New X-men (20-46) http://www.comicvine.com/x-23/29-3560/new-x-men/49-18078/ were great
did u read her minis? X-23: Innocence Lost & X-23: Target X they take place before she really join the X-world & they were great stories.

re Psylocke: CC did some what interesting some about how he brought he back alive & he made he brother (Jamie)seem as some what sympathetic person & not just a nut which I felt was cool & etc.

re Polaris : I like Polaris to she one of my fav. in the Polaris thread you can find out a lot info on her. http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=170528&page=374. Also I by comics off this site when I can't find them in the stories.. http://www.mycomicshop.com/ during Chuck Austen run he finally tackle the elephant in the room & confirmed her to be Magneto daughter (alot nun Polaris fan in my opinion didn't like this while most of her fans do/did) There was a lot of Polaris during his run. He also reveled that Kurt father as Azazel a mutant in biblical times who was call & know as Satan.

So yeah Kurt dad is the devil lol & its canon now matter how many & much people hate it lol (I personally like the idea &the major of people hated it.) In all honesty it wasn't executed as best as it could have been (because of late art on the issue & because there 3 plots in the book) I also like how he wrote Juggernaut he made seem human & not just a big a-hole. He also went in to more detail about the Juggernaut & Prof.X shared father (Kurt Marko) & how he both effect them & abused both them & etc. I personally enjoyed all of X-men vol2 (157-208)or whatever it called. http://www.comicvine.com/x-men/49-10731/ It pick up right after New X-men 156 & UNX 443 (the 1st 8 are written by Austen. then a petty good X-mas issue by CC.. then the HoM happens :frown: ) UNX 444 is when CC start back writing on Uncanny.

Re Havok : Havok was an major part of Austen runs it when he kind of came back to the X-world. Have you read X-Men: Deadly Genesis? which lead up to Shi'ar Rise & Fall. For Havok, Rachel, & Polaris also read X-Men: Emperor Vulcan, X-Men: Kingbreaker, also Havok had a Divided We Stand story in between those mini. Also read War of Kings (which started 2 months ago) & They are in the few tie issues of War kings also.

re : For a great Rachel story read Uncanny X-men 466-471(End of Greys) Its takes place before she goes into space with her uncle & etc. for more info on here go ask the people in the Rachel Thread http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=186728&page=153.

re Kitty. Did u read all of Astonishing(1-24 & Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men )

Re Emma : she mostly as in Astonishing. she had some good/interesting moments in New Mutants (Vol.2) New X-men academy X/New X-Men http://www.comicvine.com/new-x-men/49-18078/ also she become a main characters in uncanny staring from 495- to now where we are now (508/509)

re : Rogue she had her on series for a while back in 2004 http://www.comicvine.com/rogue/49-19612/ (in which revel more of here history & etc) she was in 47 issues on (X-men vol2) 157-207 (some of which you all ready read Carey run.) Carey run on the x-men is best in my opinion. He fixed all the bad/lazy writing that past writers did to Iceman, Cannonball, Rogue & Gambit & gave them growth. (It like he just get the characters & take them place were they should been longer before now.

Rouge is currently in X-Men: Legacy(the thinking man/woman x-book) the 208-216 are about the Prof.X after MC. Rouge pop up a few times in those issues(which leads up to her arc) also Gambit is in few of the issues of 208-216. 217-218 is a crossover with Wolverine Origins which was called Original Sin (I enjoy the crossover very much) 219 is Prof.X & Juggernaut story (which ties up the lose end of X-men: world war Hulk & Juggernaut X-Men: Manifest Destiny story the to other story I like a lot) 220 is the being of Rouge becoming the main focus & when her arc start.

re Cable: for Cable read Carey run on the X-men issues !90-200 & X-Men Annual (which take place after 193 I think also Rouge is team leader & one of the main focus) http://www.comicvine.com/x-men-annual-covenant/37-106389/
After MC Cable got his own series call Cable (Vol.3) which i like it basically about him, hope & Bishop after MC. http://www.comicvine.com/cable/49-20805/
Also read King-Size Cable Spectacular (which takes place after 5 of Cable vol3 before issue 6 of cable vol3 ) http://www.comicvine.com/king-size-cable-spectacular/49-22978/

re: Colossus he came back of course in Astonishing 4& 5 (had a subplot there out 6-24 & Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men) He had a mini after he came back in which he traces his roots http://www.comicvine.com/x-men-colossus-bloodline/49-18699/ I guessing you saw what he did in MC. he became a main characters in Uncanny starting at 495-507 (where he was mostly depressed about what happen to Kitty in Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men ) He & Kurt both had great X-Men: Manifest Destiny stories being sad about what happen to Kitty. In 507he basically man up lol & remember hey I got a little sister stuck in hell I'd probably should get to doing something about that. So after he get it together after 507 leads us to X-Infernus (which was a get story in my opinion) http://www.comicvine.com/x-infernus/49-24079/

Re: Wolverine I really like Wolverine: Origins. http://www.comicvine.com/wolverine-origins/49-18130/ (which stared after HoM) It basically about Logan learning & remembering his past (because in the HOM of he got his memories back) before you read Wolverine: Origins you should read Wolverine Vol 3 36-40 takes right after it Wolverine: Origins. Most of Wolverine: Vol.3 is great in my opinion (accept 50-55 & 57-61). http://www.comicvine.com/wolverine/49-10809/

Get Mystique! (62-65)takes place right after MC(its was a great story arc in my opinion)staring with 66 it starts Old Man Logan story arc with is different reality Logan. Logan is the field leader of X-Force & a member of The New Avengers http://www.comicvine.com/wolverine/29-1440/the-new-avengers/49-11497/

re : Dazzler just really rejoined the main x-world her X-Men: Manifest Destiny story & in Uncanny 502.

X-Men: Manifest Destiny http://www.comicvine.com/x-men-manifest-destiny/49-22867/

worstblogever

04-20-2009, 03:49 AM

That's my problem.
Worst powers ever.

Then I suspect you might not have read the book. Even Skin's power was used in some amazing ways, like when he took down the X-Cutioner solo. Or Chamber's bio-blasts (which gave him an amazing design). He took down a dragon solo with those. Or Husk's multi-purpose metamorophic abilities. M's psychic potential, Jubilee using her LACK of control over her powers to outwit Emplate... Synch using his powers on well... everyone, to duplicate the powers of friends, and foes... Plus Emma's telepathy and Sean's sonic powers (which he had tons of power feats with them).

But, if that kept you from enjoying it... that's fine.

Anna

04-20-2009, 04:13 AM

re X-23 : well its was written my CC & she really didn't say or do all that much in the stories but meet Kurt, Storm & etc. But she really only talk to Psylocke in that the whole time she with that team other than out run & out start them. a lot he later brought Psylocke back live (the next arc I believe & that when here & X speak) X meets the team in 450 &stays to 451. Then she shows back up in 455 (which is the issue which Psylocke comes back alive ) Laura is currently in X-Force http://www.comicvine.com/x-23/29-3560/x-force/49-20511/ before that she was in New X-men (20-46) http://www.comicvine.com/x-23/29-3560/new-x-men/49-18078/ were great
did u read her minis? X-23: Innocence Lost & X-23: Target X they take place before she really join the X-world & they were great stories.

re Psylocke: CC did some what interesting some about how he brought he back alive & he made he brother (Jamie)seem as some what sympathetic person & not just a nut which I felt was cool & etc.

re Polaris : I like Polaris to she one of my fav. in the Polaris thread you can find out a lot info on her. http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=170528&page=374. Also I by comics off this site when I can't find them in the stories.. http://www.mycomicshop.com/ during Chuck Austen run he finally tackle the elephant in the room & confirmed her to be Magneto daughter (alot nun Polaris fan in my opinion didn't like this while most of her fans do/did) There was a lot of Polaris during his run. He also reveled that Kurt father as Azazel a mutant in biblical times who was call & know as Satan.

So yeah Kurt dad is the devil lol & its canon now matter how many & much people hate it lol (I personally like the idea &the major of people hated it.) In all honesty it wasn't executed as best as it could have been (because of late art on the issue & because there 3 plots in the book) I also like how he wrote Juggernaut he made seem human & not just a big a-hole. He also went in to more detail about the Juggernaut & Prof.X shared father (Kurt Marko) & how he both effect them & abused both them & etc. I personally enjoyed all of X-men vol2 (157-208)or whatever it called. http://www.comicvine.com/x-men/49-10731/ It pick up right after New X-men 156 & UNX 443 (the 1st 8 are written by Austen. then a petty good X-mas issue by CC.. then the HoM happens :frown: ) UNX 444 is when CC start back writing on Uncanny.

Re Havok : Havok was an major part of Austen runs it when he kind of came back to the X-world. Have you read X-Men: Deadly Genesis? which lead up to Shi'ar Rise & Fall. For Havok, Rachel, & Polaris also read X-Men: Emperor Vulcan, X-Men: Kingbreaker, also Havok had a Divided We Stand story in between those mini. Also read War of Kings (which started 2 months ago) & They are in the few tie issues of War kings also.

re : For a great Rachel story read Uncanny X-men 466-471(End of Greys) Its takes place before she goes into space with her uncle & etc. for more info on here go ask the people in the Rachel Thread http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=186728&page=153.

re Kitty. Did u read all of Astonishing(1-24 & Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men )

Re Emma : she mostly as in Astonishing. she had some good/interesting moments in New Mutants (Vol.2) New X-men academy X/New X-Men http://www.comicvine.com/new-x-men/49-18078/ also she become a main characters in uncanny staring from 495- to now where we are now (508/509)

re : Rogue she had her on series for a while back in 2004 http://www.comicvine.com/rogue/49-19612/ (in which revel more of here history & etc) she was in 47 issues on (X-men vol2) 157-207 (some of which you all ready read Carey run.) Carey run on the x-men is best in my opinion. He fixed all the bad/lazy writing that past writers did to Iceman, Cannonball, Rogue & Gambit & gave them growth. (It like he just get the characters & take them place were they should been longer before now.

Rouge is currently in X-Men: Legacy(the thinking man/woman x-book) the 208-216 are about the Prof.X after MC. Rouge pop up a few times in those issues(which leads up to her arc) also Gambit is in few of the issues of 208-216. 217-218 is a crossover with Wolverine Origins which was called Original Sin (I enjoy the crossover very much) 219 is Prof.X & Juggernaut story (which ties up the lose end of X-men: world war Hulk & Juggernaut X-Men: Manifest Destiny story the to other story I like a lot) 220 is the being of Rouge becoming the main focus & when her arc start.

re Cable: for Cable read Carey run on the X-men issues !90-200 & X-Men Annual (which take place after 193 I think also Rouge is team leader & one of the main focus) http://www.comicvine.com/x-men-annual-covenant/37-106389/
After MC Cable got his own series call Cable (Vol.3) which i like it basically about him, hope & Bishop after MC. http://www.comicvine.com/cable/49-20805/
Also read King-Size Cable Spectacular (which takes place after 5 of Cable vol3 before issue 6 of cable vol3 ) http://www.comicvine.com/king-size-cable-spectacular/49-22978/

re: Colossus he came back of course in Astonishing 4& 5 (had a subplot there out 6-24 & Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men) He had a mini after he came back in which he traces his roots http://www.comicvine.com/x-men-colossus-bloodline/49-18699/ I guessing you saw what he did in MC. he became a main characters in Uncanny starting at 495-507 (where he was mostly depressed about what happen to Kitty in Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men ) He & Kurt both had great X-Men: Manifest Destiny stories being sad about what happen to Kitty. In 507he basically man up lol & remember hey I got a little sister stuck in hell I'd probably should get to doing something about that. So after he get it together after 507 leads us to X-Infernus (which was a get story in my opinion) http://www.comicvine.com/x-infernus/49-24079/

Re: Wolverine I really like Wolverine: Origins. http://www.comicvine.com/wolverine-origins/49-18130/ (which stared after HoM) It basically about Logan learning & remembering his past (because in the HOM of he got his memories back) before you read Wolverine: Origins you should read Wolverine Vol 3 36-40 takes right after it Wolverine: Origins. Most of Wolverine: Vol.3 is great in my opinion (accept 50-55 & 57-61). http://www.comicvine.com/wolverine/49-10809/

Get Mystique! (62-65)takes place right after MC(its was a great story arc in my opinion)staring with 66 it starts Old Man Logan story arc with is different reality Logan. Logan is the field leader of X-Force & a member of The New Avengers http://www.comicvine.com/wolverine/29-1440/the-new-avengers/49-11497/

re : Dazzler just really rejoined the main x-world her X-Men: Manifest Destiny story & in Uncanny 502.

X-Men: Manifest Destiny http://www.comicvine.com/x-men-manifest-destiny/49-22867/

X-23 didn't really talk to Betsy; she growled a lot, and played monkey see, monkey do by mimicing everything Betsy did.

worstblogever

04-20-2009, 04:16 AM

X-23 didn't really talk to Betsy; she growled a lot, and played monkey see, monkey do by mimicing everything Betsy did.

Good thing Warren wasn't around. That'd have gotten awkward.

4sake

04-20-2009, 04:16 AM

X-23 didn't really talk to Betsy; she growled a lot, and played monkey see, monkey do by mimicing everything Betsy did.

meant talk like as in interact with..

Gadget3440

04-20-2009, 04:35 AM

As for Gen X...WHAT? The first 25 issues of that series is GOLD. PURE GOLD.

My friend, you sell it short. Platinum baby, platinum.

Whatever happen to Scott Lobdell anyway?

4sake

04-20-2009, 04:45 AM

My friend, you sell it short. Platinum baby, platinum.

Whatever happen to Scott Lobdell anyway?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=15089076

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Lobdell

Anna

04-20-2009, 09:12 AM

meant talk like as in interact with.. Still, it didn't sit well with some; especially with New X-Man fans who weren't thrilled with her joining the cast.

XFan2000

04-28-2009, 02:34 PM

These really don't bother you?

http://romosome.pyoko.org/pic/scans/land/landshameless.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2636/pornface0011an1.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/investcomics/glpornfaceswipe1.gif

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7108/glpfaceap2.jpg

Could someone please explain to me who the characters are in the top three images? They all look like generic people.

Anna

04-28-2009, 02:39 PM

He should direct the Three Olives ad campaign. :tongue:

steve2275

04-28-2009, 07:28 PM

but rather corrupting the character like what the solicit said? You know, something like this:
http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=previews/marvelcomics/uncannyxmen/508/UNCX509012_col.jpg
Is this what they want to do with the other character?
didnt doom do that to COLOSSUS im mua game?:tongue:

KrullWall

04-28-2009, 08:08 PM

I'm excited for learning what happens to betsy tom!!!!

Novaya Havoc

04-28-2009, 08:21 PM

I'm excited for learning what happens to betsy tom!!!!

I'm not.

I'm still wondering what happened to Pixie's BFF!!! that was gay bashed.

alf_to_the_rescue

04-28-2009, 08:29 PM

Could someone please explain to me who the characters are in the top three images? They all look like generic people.

Er... Squadron supreme, including Hyperion, and the Invisible woman. From Ultimate Power me thinks.

KrullWall

04-28-2009, 08:30 PM

I'm not.

I'm still wondering what happened to Pixie's BFF!!! that was gay bashed.

Yea who the hell was that? Why can't they have any friends that aren't mutants, besides the mayor (or whoever the lady is)

Novaya Havoc

04-28-2009, 08:32 PM

Yea who the hell was that? Why can't they have any friends that aren't mutants, besides the mayor (or whoever the lady is)

Because they get gay bashed and then randomly disregarded after they've served their purpose. The Mayor only exists because she's banging the Angel on the side. She's received a saving grace until she, too, is inevitably gay bashed.

I also take umbrage with creating a status quo in that "Attending a Dazzler show" = "Inevitable hate crime."

KrullWall

04-28-2009, 08:37 PM

Because they get gay bashed and then randomly disregarded after they've served their purpose. The Mayor only exists because she's banging the Angel on the side. She's received a saving grace until she, too, is inevitably gay bashed.

I also take umbrage with creating a status quo in that "Attending a Dazzler show" = "Inevitable hate crime."

HAHA you know I know i might be gay-bashed at the dazz show but still think it would be to good to miss out on...even with the men with masks and bats waiting outside

Novaya Havoc

04-28-2009, 08:57 PM

It's true!

1st Fraction Dazzler concert: GAY BASHING!!!!

2nd Fraction Dazzler concert: THA RED QUEEN APPEARS AND RUINS IT!

I do not approve. I bet the third time she has one, Northstar will be gaybashed and then dominated by the Red Queen!

Although, third time might be a charm and Beast might DIE!!!! ♥

pariah-1972

04-28-2009, 09:06 PM

I miss when the books had real human characters in them but of course nowadays we don't have enough room for most of the main cast.

eurazn

04-28-2009, 10:29 PM

Although, third time might be a charm and Beast might DIE!!!! ♥

You tease! Now I'm giddy ...

DarthCyclopsRLZ

04-28-2009, 10:31 PM

Don't kid yourselves, the X-Club shall prevail.

Damnit.

Raptor

04-28-2009, 11:08 PM

I agree. It's someone in a generic white T-shirt and someone with a brown trenchcoat.

Brown Trenchcoat you say!?

That's the classic Beast/Thing disguise, must be Beast.

Novaya Havoc

04-28-2009, 11:10 PM

You tease! Now I'm giddy ...

If Fraction killed Beast he would be a freakin' X-Books MESSIAH!

Instead he chooses to venerate Beast. This is why he will be AUSTEN'D.

Don't kid yourselves, the X-Club shall prevail.

Damnit.

I hate you. I hate you I hate you I hate you. Do not give me such impure thoughts. I CAN SEE YOUR DIRTYPILLOWS!!!!!1 GET IT OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

Fatguy

04-28-2009, 11:13 PM

If Fraction killed Beast he would be a freakin' X-Books MESSIAH!

Instead he chooses to venerate Beast. This is why he will be AUSTEN'D.

Beast is awesome. Confirmed.

Novaya Havoc

04-28-2009, 11:14 PM

Beast is awesome. Confirmed.

Fatguys don't get opinions. Much like they don't get dates.

LungerTony

04-28-2009, 11:15 PM

So far, I am Fraction's Uncanny has just been OK. And nowadays okay books ge axed.
I am only staying on for the Dark Avengers crossover, and the Dodson art that returns with that.

Fatguy

04-28-2009, 11:20 PM

Fatguys don't get opinions. Much like they don't get dates.

But we do get our own titties, and we get bigger airplane seats.

Bronze Badger

04-28-2009, 11:21 PM

Northstar's boyfriend in Uncanny 508 looks like Zoolander when he disguised himself as a black janitor with make-up.

http://www.freenyc.net/images/godfrey.jpg

pariah-1972

04-29-2009, 01:06 AM

So far, I am Fraction's Uncanny has just been OK. And nowadays okay books ge axed.
I am only staying on for the Dark Avengers crossover, and the Dodson art that returns with that.I think Marvel has a lot more faith in Fraction than we do i don't see any indication that they are going to get rid of him, especially with all the long running sub-plots he has going on.