How does he become Red Robin?

[ftspyder]

So we all basically know Tim Drake will become Red Robin, but my question to you all is how so? How will he become Red Robin? What leads him to make the choice to stop being Robin? and why does he choose the Red Robin mantle instead of something else?.....i was also wondering why would Dick take Damien under his wing? I mean i know he will and he`ll probably do it because its Bruce`s son but wouldn`t he think Tim would be better as Robin. Don`t you all think that an ongoing where Dick is Batman and Tim is Robin would be so much better then Dick and Damien? Dicks the muscle and Tims the brains rather then Dick being the muscle and Damien apparently being a scared child who calls for his mother. Anyways what you think?

[drinkblatzbeer]

the more i think about it, and the more preview material i see...

i think it's obviously dick and damian as batman and robin, but i don't think tim becomes red robin, unless it's already been shown in battle for the cowel, i am more leaning towards jean paul being red robin...
i only say this because the red robin pics all make him look more adultish, and we've seen jean paul and robin work together as a team in the past...

[Captain Jim]

I simply cannot believe how many people are seeing Jean Paul behind every bush, despite all the comments to the contrary from DC.

Anyway, Damian is going to be Robin (apparently) because that's what Morrison wants. It's his character, after all.

The identity of Red Robin will not be revealed in BFTC, not until RR #1.

[drinkblatzbeer]

hmmm....thought i read somewhere jean paul was coming back into the batman mythos??

maybe not?

just don't see it being jason, or tim...

[Captain Jim]

We have a new Azrael, but he's not Jean Paul. Writer Fabian Nicieza said he didn't think anyone but Denny O'Neil should write Jean Paul.

[HopeLantern]

I think Tim becomes "double R" at the end of BFTC. I believe it's supposed to be doublesized. I think getting stabbed right near the heart solidifies his change in personality that's been ongoing for the last few months, and he realizes two important things 1) "Robin" is for a child, and at 17, Tim is almost fully a man. "Red Robin" could be the bridge between Robin and Batman, so he takes that mantle. and 2) None of this would have happened if someone had found Bruce. So he's going to do it. And he's going to do it out of Gotham.

[Will.S]

The only thing that throws me off is that Tim is sometimes drawn to look like a man when really he should be more wiry and shorter. This would be doubly true if Tim is Red Robin but we'll see.

[HopeLantern]

The only thing that throws me off is that Tim is sometimes drawn to look like a man when really he should be more wiry and shorter. This would be doubly true if Tim is Red Robin but we'll see.

I definitely agree, Will.S. I noted in a couple of other threads that Red Robin already seems a bit more bulkier then Tim in his Robin gear, assuming Red Robin is in fact Tim. Maybe it's just the artist. But maybe there's also a time lapse between BFTC #3 and Red Robin #1 and Tim simply "bulked up". I guess time will tell.

[F1uke]

I definitely agree, Will.S. I noted in a couple of other threads that Red Robin already seems a bit more bulkier then Tim in his Robin gear, assuming Red Robin is in fact Tim. Maybe it's just the artist. But maybe there's also a time lapse between BFTC #3 and Red Robin #1 and Tim simply "bulked up". I guess time will tell.

How much time has passed between RIP/FC and BFTC? Isn't Batman and Robin starting 6 months after RIP/FC, which could be about the same time Red Robin is starting..

[ftspyder]

I read somewhere that we wont know who Red Robin is until issue one of the ongoing.

[TeamED209]

I'd love to see jean paul come back in any form but i think the chances of red robin not being tim are pretty slim....

[Choppa]

Tim should be an adult for pete's sake. He was 16 at the end of Knightfall so by now he has to be at least around 20 or so.

As for why he becomes RR, doesn't he say something in the last issue of his book about how it's time for a 'new and improved' Robin?

Also, I imagine that Dick takes Damian as his partner because he doesn't want him running around chopping off people's heads. And he wanted to be Robin to impress his "father" anyway.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Tim should be an adult for pete's sake. He was 16 at the end of Knightfall so by now he has to be at least around 20 or so.

He wasn't 16 in Knightfall, he didn't turn 16 until Robin issue 116, which came out in fall of 2003. Editorial has referred to him as 17, and 18 seems more dead on, with him having mentioned being Robin for 5 years, and he started out when he was 13.

[ftspyder]

I think damien should die.....i think tim and dick wouldve been so much better

[HopeLantern]

How much time has passed between RIP/FC and BFTC? Isn't Batman and Robin starting 6 months after RIP/FC, which could be about the same time Red Robin is starting..

Good point... I actually forgot about that from way back in the first part of RIP.
So obviously less than 6 months occurs between BFTC #3 and Red Robin #1. Comic book time really messes me with me... but as best as I can figure it, factoring in Final Crisis, I'm guessing we're about 4-5 months into the time between the end of RIP and BFTC #2? I say that b/c the Flashes jumped 2 mos into the future, and that's where FC picked back up. Plus give or take another 3 mos for Jason to get shot, go to jail, get bailed out by Tim, rehabilitate the knee, recover and put on the "Gatman" outfit, all while Gotham gets destroyed. That only gives a few weeks between BFTC #3 and Red Robin #1, unless he (again, assuming it's Tim) puts on the uniform immediately after the end of BFTC.


I think that made sense...:confused:

[Lemurion]

The way FC ended with the Miracle Machine it may not have taken any time at all.

I think the Dick and Damian pairing works better than pairing either with Tim. Tim and Dick are too close in age and skill for the Mentor/Student dynamic; and Damian doesn't see Tim as an adult yet, so he can't pair up as Tim's Robin. Tim has all the skills and abilities that he's got the "Bat-" part down. He just hasn't had enough time to process his life experience for the "-man."

I think he'll do very well as Red Robin.

[nepenthes]

Simple. A Robin always belongs with a Batman, and since Nightwing is Batman now with Damian as Robin, and Tim probably wants to go off and do his own thing, it's clear he needs a new identity. I missed the Robin issue where he put on the new suit for the fist time but that should explain the rest I guess

[Name Already Taken]

Was it ever explained how Tim recovered so quickly from his burns as his series drew to a close? I didnt follow the last few in his book. Had some amount of time passed between the last issue of Robin and the beginning of BoTC?

I thought Didio mentioned something in a panel or an interview that it would be explained, and it was the reason he was wearing the Red Robin cowl while he recovered. Those burns on his head looked pretty nasty in the panel I saw.

[joemagnum611]

We all think that know Tim will be Red Robin which is so stupid. A Robin is still a Robin. Just cause you pit a Red i front of it doesn't make not make it a sidekick identity. If he wanted to move on and be his own man the he should have done like Dick.

[Redrumbin]

We all think that know Tim will be Red Robin which is so stupid. A Robin is still a Robin. Just cause you pit a Red i front of it doesn't make not make it a sidekick identity. If he wanted to move on and be his own man the he should have done like Dick.

I get what you mean. It's stupid. I hate how DC constantly tries to make an obvious link with Kingdom Come. Tim should become something else like... Well I don't know , I'm pretty sure some guys are paid to figure these things out.

[ftspyder]

I get what you mean. It's stupid. I hate how DC constantly tries to make an obvious link with Kingdom Come. Tim should become something else like... Well I don't know , I'm pretty sure some guys are paid to figure these things out.

I agree 100% with u

[Name Already Taken]

We all think that know Tim will be Red Robin which is so stupid. A Robin is still a Robin. Just cause you pit a Red i front of it doesn't make not make it a sidekick identity. If he wanted to move on and be his own man the he should have done like Dick.

I think its just DC's way of having him move into his own 'identity' beyond Batman's sidekick after RIP and FC. Something many longtime fans could see happening and newer readers could still associate one with the other. The title and suit have been represented by mulpitple people in DC stories, but they may be trying to capitalize on renewed interest in the character and wherever his story takes him after Battle of the Cowl. Once that plays out and characters settle in their new roles for the next year or so, I see it as Tim's own way of trying to step out of Bruce and and Dick's shadow.

When those stories are finally over and Bruce does come back (it will happen) it will make it easier for him to fall back in as Batman's sidekick when the status quo returns.

[Pksoze]

Tim should be an adult for pete's sake. He was 16 at the end of Knightfall so by now he has to be at least around 20 or so.

As for why he becomes RR, doesn't he say something in the last issue of his book about how it's time for a 'new and improved' Robin?

Also, I imagine that Dick takes Damian as his partner because he doesn't want him running around chopping off people's heads. And he wanted to be Robin to impress his "father" anyway.


I remember when Tim was introduced ... I was ten. Now I'm 30. I think he should at least be 18 by now.

[ftspyder]

i think tim as a character has been one of the best. his story is just about as good as bruces.

[Redrumbin]

i think tim as a character has been one of the best. his story is just about as good as bruces.

I agree. To me, when I read Robin it was like reading spiderman back in the days, when he was still a teen, especially during Nicieza's run. The good ol' sarcastic/teen'ish humor.

[ftspyder]

dick will always be the image of Robin, but Tim is my favorite.

[joemagnum611]

I think its just DC's way of having him move into his own 'identity' beyond Batman's sidekick after RIP and FC. Something many longtime fans could see happening and newer readers could still associate one with the other. The title and suit have been represented by mulpitple people in DC stories, but they may be trying to capitalize on renewed interest in the character and wherever his story takes him after Battle of the Cowl. Once that plays out and characters settle in their new roles for the next year or so, I see it as Tim's own way of trying to step out of Bruce and and Dick's shadow.

When those stories are finally over and Bruce does come back (it will happen) it will make it easier for him to fall back in as Batman's sidekick when the status quo returns.

Robin of any kind just seems like a sidekick. Hell when Jason got the suit from the alternate reality Bruce it was for his sidekick. Now Tim is going to be his own man and take up another sidekick persona? That doesn't really work. At least Dick became something that wasn't a sidekick and was allowed to grow beyond the Batman/Robin dynamic. Tim is just another Robin and when Bruce comes back he'll still be that cause Bruce will have his Robin in Damien

[ftspyder]

i was kinda hoping that when Bruce comes back that Tim would reclaim the throne as Robin