X-Men: Legacy #223 Review thread (Spoilers)

[worstblogever]

X-Men: Legacy #223 Review

There might be Spoilers here and there, so if you don't want 'em, turn your *ss around now.


Right, Legacy. This arc hasn't been all about Xavier's past. Far from it. It's been more about Rogue's. And this issue, we revisit the consequences of her permanent absorption of Carol Danvers for the googleplexeth time. Prof. Carey, I love it when you focus on the continuity we don't know backwards and forwards, for the record.

Still, for those who don't remember, after Rogue got out of the Siege Perilous in Uncanny #269, she fought this odd dessicated husk of Ms. Marvel, and won, partially due to the fact that as Ms. Marvel attempted one more cheap shot, Magneto found her in battle with it, and stepped in to help her out. Savage Land Magneto. In a loincloth, continued.

And this issue, Rogue confronts the life choices she made, then, and uses them as a basis to keep herself alive versus the machinations of Danger. Now, that reflects on old continuity, and Rogue is presented with making the same choices, or new ones. With Mystique in her head... it does come off as recycled, at best. But just like recycled paper, the quality isn't as good the second time around.

Xavier, meanwhile, well... how can I say this... Carey sat at a desk somewhere, and tried to figure out how what Xavier did to Danger could be perceived, or apologized for, based off of what Whedon already wrote. And, after much time, he sighed, and had to make the decision to add more mitigating circumstances, without which, Xavier would just be a straight up bastard. I won't go into all the hows or whys... but let's just say the Xavier/Danger relationship history gets fleshed out a bit more. And it's good.

Finally, that brings us to the participation of Gambit, and the Shi'ar pirates and their mega-flea on happy pills, Horse. Too many thieves and pirates in a room, you know someone's going to try and screw someone over. And who saves who, when a standoff begins?

Really, while the issue of Xavier's morality does club you over the head, in how its handled, the art remains solid in capturing old scenes and giving them new touches, and the biting vengeful way that Danger confronts those who wrong her, as well as the sarcasm of space pirates still made this one a fun read.

7.5/10.

[Optic Rage!]

Thrilling stuff, really.

[Flinkman]

this was one of the better issues of the book....but i certainly won't be sad to see it get a major shift in emphasis here soon.

[darknessatnoon]

this was one of the better issues of the book....but i certainly won't be sad to see it get a major shift in emphasis here soon.

Do you think Rogue absorbed Danger?

[lockerogue]

Cannot wait to get this.

[Flinkman]

Do you think Rogue absorbed Danger?
i dunno how that would be possible...but obviously SOMETHING happened to Rogue since she appears to be all bright & glowing at the end.

[darknessatnoon]

i dunno how that would be possible...but obviously SOMETHING happened to Rogue since she appears to be all bright & glowing at the end.

Well, Xavier said that Danger isn't a machine. She's a life-form. Therefore, she might be vulnerable to Rogue's touch. I can't wait to see Techno Rogue.

[drwho]

perhaps rogue is now the new sage with a computer brain 01010101010

[Washout]

i dunno how that would be possible...but obviously SOMETHING happened to Rogue since she appears to be all bright & glowing at the end.

Maybe she's going to go Binary on Horse's behind. . . I don't knwo what that means per se, but didn't Binary glow?

[darknessatnoon]

I found Xavier's excuse for not freeing Danger immediately to be utter tripe.

He did not know which lines of code to delete for fear of crippling her?

Puhleaze.

Sage could have figured it out in a minute. This is rationalization after the fact and I'm sending Mike Carey a note about it shortly.

[Bronze Badger]

perhaps rogue is now the new sage with a computer brain 01010101010

Please, no.

[Twisted Bliss]

perhaps rogue is now the new sage with a computer brain 01010101010

I can't believe you went there....

oh god

[darknessatnoon]

Maybe she's going to go Binary on Horse's behind. . . I don't knwo what that means per se, but didn't Binary glow?

Rogue never absorbed Binary. She did never use Ms. Marvel's energy powers, however she was wiped clean by Goo. This is a recently acquired power and doesn't match Mystique's profile.

[worstblogever]

The suggestion that Rogue can absorb a machine like Danger hurts me in its lack of logic. I mean, you'd think her big epic battle with Nimrod would've been a lot easier if she could do that.

[darknessatnoon]

The suggestion that Rogue can absorb a machine like Danger hurts me in its lack of logic. I mean, you'd think her big epic battle with Nimrod would've been a lot easier if she could do that.

Nimrod wasn't alive, WBE. Don't be such a nimrod and think before you post.

[drwho]

darkness any suggestions on how this could possibly tie into the original x-man series?

[darknessatnoon]

darkness any suggestions on how this could possibly tie into the original x-man series?

Don't bait me little boy. It never works out well when you do.

[Flinkman]

Well, Xavier said that Danger isn't a machine. She's a life-form. Therefore, she might be vulnerable to Rogue's touch. I can't wait to see Techno Rogue.
good point, i read the issue very quickly so that didn't stick with me. if that indeed turns out to be the case i wouldn't necessarily be opposed....i love Rogue, but honestly she works best for me when she has someone else's powers. just the absorbing crap isn't enough for me & she doesn't seem keen to utilize Mystique's power set so Techno Rogue it is lol.

[darknessatnoon]

good point, i read the issue very quickly so that didn't stick with me. if that indeed turns out to be the case i wouldn't necessarily be opposed....i love Rogue, but honestly she works best for me when she has someone else's powers. just the absorbing crap isn't enough for me & she doesn't seem keen to utilize Mystique's power set so Techno Rogue it is lol.

I think Rogue will look amazing with metallic predator dreads.

[worstblogever]

Nimrod wasn't alive, WBE. Don't be such a nimrod and think before you post.

I'm sorry. The blurting out stupid things must be contagious. I'll quarantine myself immediately.

You know... where's Hi-Fi... did Rogue absorb Magus, that one time, or was it just Magus contaminating Rogue with the T/O virus a bit?

[RoguefanAM]

Techno Rogue...eh, I'm willing to see where it goes.

[Hi-Fi]

Rogue is God now.

Eat that, "Sage".

[Bronze Badger]

Rogue is God now.

Eat that, "Sage".

This was the reaction I was waiting for.

[just another user]

Rogue is God now.

Eat that, "Sage".

So does this mean Sage is going to be playing a big role in the Legacy relaunch? Awesome.

Plus, you know that Sage would eat Rogue (in a lesbian way)

[darknessatnoon]

With her new holographic powers, Rogue will be pretty unstoppable.

Part of my problem with this story is that there were so many scenes in it that Danger would not have known about. Now, some of the data could have been culled from the Reaver Computer (which might also have supplied her with hard light technology), but how would Danger know about Magneto in his underwear in the Savage Land unless ...

Would Rogue be perverty enough to have programmed that scene into Danger for masturbation purposes?

[Twisted Bliss]

I'm sorry. The blurting out stupid things must be contagious. I'll quarantine myself immediately.

You know... where's Hi-Fi... did Rogue absorb Magus, that one time, or was it just Magus contaminating Rogue with the T/O virus a bit?

No way. She just absorbed some of T/O virus and developed an immunity.

She can't absorb inanimate objects abilities or she'd be a walking 'rampant Rabbit' vibrator by now. The woman has been without cock for so long she'd have skin to gel shaped vibrator abilities by now.

[Bronze Badger]

With her new holographic powers, Rogue will be pretty unstoppable.

Part of my problem with this story is that there were so many scenes in it that Danger would not have known about. Now, some of the data could have been culled from the Reaver Computer (which might also have supplied her with hard light technology), but how would Danger know about Magneto in his underwear in the Savage Land unless ...

Would Rogue be perverty enough to have programmed that scene into Danger for masturbation purposes?

This train of thought deserves it's own thread: Was the Danger Room used for masturbatory escapades? Dn@N, I salute your warped thought process.

[darknessatnoon]

No way. She just absorbed some of T/O virus and developed an immunity.

She can't absorb inanimate objects abilities or she'd be a walking 'rampant Rabbit' vibrator by now. The woman has been without cock for so long she'd have skin to gel shaped vibrator abilities by now.

Danger is not inanimate. Did you even read this issue? She's a life-form.

[darknessatnoon]

This train of thought deserves it's own thread: Was the Danger Room used for masturbatory escapades? Dn@N, I salute your warped thought process.

The more I think about it, I realize that Rogue didn't program that scene into the Danger Room - Gambit did. So twisted.

[The Black Guardian]

I found Xavier's excuse for not freeing Danger immediately to be utter tripe.

He did not know which lines of code to delete for fear of crippling her?

Puhleaze.

Sage could have figured it out in a minute. This is rationalization after the fact and I'm sending Mike Carey a note about it shortly.
Careful on that slippery slope. What you're saying is that Xavier is better than Sage (or at least equal). Sure, Sage could have done it, but Xavier isn't capable of such things.
Would Rogue be perverty enough to have programmed that scene into Danger for masturbation purposes?
Danger is capable of reading minds and coming up with holoscenes based on that. It's how the Danger Room tended to work.

[RoguefanAM]

Thinking it over, Rogue with Danger's abilities is strangely interesting.

I definitely prefer them over Sunfire's, even if they make less sense.

Does anyone know if she still has Mystique's powers as well?

[drwho]

preview art of Rogue in a future issue

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n241/miamiuu/c4.jpg

[Bronze Badger]

The more I think about it, I realize that Rogue didn't program that scene into the Danger Room - Gambit did. So twisted.

It would also explain why Danger wanted to kill all the X-Men. Having to simulate all their pornos while being locked in a box.

[darknessatnoon]

preview art of Rogue in a future issue

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n241/miamiuu/c4.jpg

I am so turned on right now.

[darknessatnoon]

Thinking it over, Rogue with Danger's abilities is strangely interesting.

I definitely prefer them over Sunfire's, even if they make less sense.

Does anyone know if she still has Mystique's powers as well?

She used them in her fight against Danger Room Mystique this issue.

[Bronze Badger]

This train of thought deserves it's own thread: Was the Danger Room used for masturbatory escapades? Dn@N, I salute your warped thought process.

Where is Flanuer? This is his thread to start.

[darknessatnoon]

Maybe this will explain Legacy's new direction. With Danger's powers, Rogue would make a perfect teacher for all the Young/New X-Men.

[RoguefanAM]

She used them in her fight against Danger Room Mystique this issue.

Ah. I was just thinking that being Rogue powers are so weird, maybe they were erased when she touched Danger? Yeah, it probably wouldn't make much sense from a story outlook, but writers always make up such crap when they want things straightened out...

Eh, it's probably too early to tell though.

[drwho]

so the new theory is that rogue will become a walking hologram machine?

[worstblogever]

so the new theory is that rogue will become a walking hologram machine?

Oh yeah.

And the new direction for the book is she works at Pink Floyd Laser Light Show Spectaculars.

[blinkinrogue]

i suddenly missed the old danger room. :frown:

[Bronze Badger]

i suddenly missed the old danger room. :frown:

Because you used it when touching yourself?

[RunningWithJuanPablo]

Oh yeah.

And the new direction for the book is she works at Pink Floyd Laser Light Show Spectaculars.

I hear MGMT is already in talks with Rogue about lighting for their upcoming shows. Joking aside, I liked this issue, but it's only my 2nd issue overall of Legacy. I guess I get a bit confused when I see Magneto as a rather young and buff specimen in the comics since i'm so used to what he looked like in the movies, ie. old. ;p

[worstblogever]

I hear MGMT is already in talks with Rogue about lighting for their upcoming shows. Joking aside, I liked this issue, but it's only my 2nd issue overall of Legacy. I guess I get a bit confused when I see Magneto as a rather young and buff specimen in the comics since i'm so used to what he looked like in the movies, ie. old. ;p

Or when he was the doughy White King of the Hellfire Club, for that matter. He got onto a NordicTrack down in the Savage Land, or something.

[blinkinrogue]

havent seen the issue yet, any scans on what rogue looked like after contact with danger?

[Washout]

havent seen the issue yet, any scans on what rogue looked like after contact with danger?

It is not confirmed that she touched Danger, at all. We did not see her. All we saw were her words and that she was glowing.

[drwho]

http://www.springboardtraining.com/light_bulb_w-hands_and_feet.gif

[Bronze Badger]

havent seen the issue yet, any scans on what rogue looked like after contact with danger?

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[Pro]

Danger is not inanimate. Did you even read this issue? She's a life-form

Intelligence, animation and awareness alone does not make one a lifeform.
Any half-decent robot shares those aspects albeit in limited form.

[darknessatnoon]

Intelligence, animation and awareness alone does not make one a lifeform.
Any half-decent robot shares those aspects albeit in limited form.

Professor Xavier called her a life form. Take it up with him, Pro.

[drwho]

so did the danger room ever exist or has it always been danger?

[darknessatnoon]

so did the danger room ever exist or has it always been danger?

The original danger room with rockets and whirly blades did exist. When the mansion was destroyed and updated with Shiar tech (hard light holograms, etc), that's when Danger was activated and uploaded. So, she's been Danger since then.

Now that Rogue is dangerous, this should be her new theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozRu7HpgEF4

[worstblogever]

The original danger room with rockets and whirly blades did exist. When the mansion was destroyed and updated with Shiar tech (hard light holograms, etc), that's when Danger was activated and uploaded. So, she's been Danger since then.

Now that Rogue is dangerous, this should be her new theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozRu7HpgEF4

I was afraid you were going to go with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC1TTz2bMmM

[drwho]

this is much more pertinent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQVlVHsFF8

[worstblogever]

this is much more pertinent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQVlVHsFF8

Your ability to lack relevance never ceases to astound.

[Anna]

Apoligies all around for posting another review without checking for this one...

I thought Magneto's advice to Rogue was spot on. And love what he was wearing. :biggrin:

[f4faith]

Apoligies all around for posting another review without checking for this one...

I thought Magneto's advice to Rogue was spot on. And love what he was wearing. :biggrin:

Except it is not Magneto - its Danger. One assumes by next issue we will finally get an explanation for what exactly has been going on with Rogue and why. It would seem Danger was leading Rogue to a specific end point using her old memories of things that happened but nothing Magneto starts talking about after the first few sentences has anything to do with what happened in the Savage Land and suddenly becomes Danger Magneto trying to tell/lead Rogue to something about her power. The question is of course what end point but also why. Danger tells Xavier she was trying to get Rogue to touch him and take his powers but then what does helping Rogue with her understanding of her power and leading her through this maze of memories have to do with that? Maybe Danger wanted to win over Rogue's help because she felt Xavier had done both of them wrong and of course Danger has knowledge of everyone's power to put them through their paces? Maybe Danger has figured out something about Rogue's power over time?

Also if she really is the one who helps Rogue then them being friends of sorts and her staying with Rogue sort of makes sense.

[mikeb]

Rogue never absorbed Binary. She did never use Ms. Marvel's energy powers, however she was wiped clean by Goo. This is a recently acquired power and doesn't match Mystique's profile.

As far as Rogue not absorbing Carol after she went the process that made her Binary,that is NOT true.Rogue absorbed Carol (temporary) for the second time in X-Men Unlimited# 29,dated Dec.2000.This was during the Maximum Security storyline...:biggrin:

[darknessatnoon]

As far as Rogue not absorbing Carol after she went the process that made her Binary,that is NOT true.Rogue absorbed Carol (temporary) for the second time in X-Men Unlimited# 29,dated Dec.2000.This was during the Maximum Security storyline...:biggrin:

Nobody counts X-Men Unlimited.

[Agent_Torpor]

Nobody counts X-Men Unlimited.

But I just ordered that X-Men Unlimited issue #33 with Emma and Selene bored off their teats at the Hellfire manse!

[Bronze Badger]

But I just ordered that X-Men Unlimited issue #33 with Emma and Selene bored off their teats at the Hellfire manse!

NON-CANON!

[Agent_Torpor]

NON-CANON!

Your ass is non-canon! I want my bored hellfire women!

[timbox]

But I just ordered that X-Men Unlimited issue #33 with Emma and Selene bored off their teats at the Hellfire manse!

Hey, so did I!

[darknessatnoon]

Your ass is non-canon! I want my bored hellfire women!

Hey, so did I!

I used to own it. It's not worth going out of your way for.

[timbox]

I used to own it. It's not worth going out of your way for.

The cover is a Yin and Yang symbol made out of Emma and Selene. You don't see thought-provoking content like that anymore, especially not on covers.

[Agent_Torpor]

The cover is a Yin and Yang symbol made out of Emma and Selene. You don't see thought-provoking content like that anymore, especially not on covers.

Real-time conversation thread-spanning? I need to up my game here!

http://www.ecrater.com/25128/479a650ee9163_25128b.jpg

I am in agape awe at the level of detail on this cover

[Shaid O Gray]

Well, we're finally getting somewhere. And I think Carey is pulling it together. I love Joss Whedon's work, but having Xavier hold a living being in tormenting prison just with a 'oh well my students need a gym' as a motivation was for the birds! Mike inherited that crap and actually came up with something that works. I think it makes perfect sense. I'm really curious how Charles' and Danger's conversation ended and what program Charles was going to run before he got zapped.

And ending on a big ole teasing cliffhanger of course. Glowing (and looks like flying) Rogue? How so? I'm not really buying the 'she absorbed Danger' theory. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I can't imagine turning her into a walking hologram room doesn't seem like something Mike would make Rogue's big new direction. What else? Does she have the ability to access powers she once possessed? Sounds a little like the X-Treme plot and that can't really be worked into a new Status Quo for her either. Dunno. Can't wait to see though.

One quibble: the old "I couldn't be with Magneto because he killed Zaladane in cold blood' is nonsense and can't work. Under Mike's own pen Rogue herself recently tried to kill both Pan and Mystique in cold blood without hesitation, so give me a break with that one.

Danger tells Xavier she was trying to get Rogue to touch him and take his powers but then what does helping Rogue with her understanding of her power and leading her through this maze of memories have to do with that? Maybe Danger wanted to win over Rogue's help because she felt Xavier had done both of them wrong and of course Danger has knowledge of everyone's power to put them through their paces? Maybe Danger has figured out something about Rogue's power over time?

Ah, but that isn't the case though. Danger never meant to help Rogue. The Shi'Ar hit her with their whammy, and at that moment, as Danger reverted to her old Room-Self, she was still processing Rogue's last words:
"All I wanted was to get my powers under some kind of control".

Then the Danger-Room ran a program on that 'command', using all it's data and files on Rogue to harshly shove her in a certain direction. For some kind of 'therapy value', I assume. Therapy, which would apaprently have some kind of result that the Danger computer brain could predict to have a certain result. But the decision of it was sheer coincidence and not anyone's choice.

(See ish 222 for all that)

[Falconen]

You know... where's Hi-Fi... did Rogue absorb Magus, that one time, or was it just Magus contaminating Rogue with the T/O virus a bit?


I thought she absorbed a portion of Magus. If I remember right, when she was thrown away from him, she was all talking weird and Warlocky (Not sure if that is a real word or not, but we'll roll with it) about how she perceived things in a different way.

[Wind Rider]

I agree that Mike Carey put a lot of thought into an explanation of why Xavier kept Danger captive. Even though I still think Xavier was wrong, of course, but Carey provided some good story there. I'm also intrigued by Magnus' words to Rogue and the glow at the very end. The space pirates get on my nerves in this arc, but I guess they are there as a way for Xavier to ultimately redeem himself with Danger. Besides them, I'm enjoying this story.

[f4faith]

One quibble: the old "I couldn't be with Magneto because he killed Zaladane in cold blood' is nonsense and can't work. Under Mike's own pen Rogue herself recently tried to kill both Pan and Mystique in cold blood without hesitation, so give me a break with that one.
He's just giving the "short version". It wasn't the killing of Zaladane per se but the representation of what that killing meant. Magneto had decided where his personal direction lay and it was toward mutant power and separatism again. Zaladane stood in his way along with all the havok she was causing and he wasn't interested in anyone else's opinion on that and certainly not Rogue's. Zaladane's death was just the pinicle of that decission. Basically Rogue and Magneto didn't not come close to having similar interests or goals and their paths were always heading toward a diveragance and while CC wrote Magneto to say he respected Rogue's opinions, Magneto never acted like she was an equal but a kid he felt for. (Of course I could also point out that they never so much as looked at one another prior to him saving her and her ending up in skimpy cloths all grateful). However that is a lot to try to explain when it's clearly irrelevant to the story - because it is not even the real Magneto but a road sign Danger put up with a big arrow pointing "Rogue go this way".

Ah, but that isn't the case though. Danger never meant to help Rogue. The Shi'Ar hit her with their whammy, and at that moment, as Danger reverted to her old Room-Self, she was still processing Rogue's last words:
"All I wanted was to get my powers under some kind of control".

Good point. That would make sense, but it then isnt there some sort of irony that Rogue never made such a request of testing her powers in the Danger Room before if it could have always done this?

[Leogam]

anyone got pics of Rogue from the issue

[Canemacar]

anyone got pics of Rogue from the issue

Courtesy of soulkiller.

http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/?action=view&current=XML223_Gambit_0003.jpg

[Shaid O Gray]

He's just giving the "short version". It wasn't the killing of Zaladane per se but the representation of what that killing meant. Magneto had decided where his personal direction lay and it was toward mutant power and separatism again. Zaladane stood in his way along with all the havok she was causing and he wasn't interested in anyone else's opinion on that and certainly not Rogue's. Zaladane's death was just the pinicle of that decission.

Yeah that's pretty much literally how I see that scene. Magneto turning away from Xavier's path again and turning to his own Mutant Domination ways. Killing Zaladane was indeed the symbol of that.

Well I'm going to go along with your view that that is what Mr Carey was trying to convey and just encapsulated it like that. A little simplistic but I imagine he was pressed for time/space.

Basically Rogue and Magneto didn't not come close to having similar interests or goals and their paths were always heading toward a diveragance and while CC wrote Magneto to say he respected Rogue's opinions, Magneto never acted like she was an equal but a kid he felt for. (Of course I could also point out that they never so much as looked at one another prior to him saving her and her ending up in skimpy cloths all grateful).

Agree again. Don't even get me started on that whole topic. They never even looked at each other sideways before and they were on the X-Men together for a while! (With Mags a lot more noble and caring that he was here!) And Magneto literally goes 'Huh, was that a spark? Ah well, bad idea. Anyway we were at war, what was I doing again?'

And Rogue, well, we pretty much never get her POV in that entire story.

I can understand a brief moment that can happen while fighting a war together (and I got the impression CC meant no more than that, maybe also to give Mag's conversion at the end a little more emotional impact) but I get hyves whenever writers try to pretend they 'had a romance'. Nggghhh!

However that is a lot to try to explain when it's clearly irrelevant to the story - because it is not even the real Magneto but a road sign Danger put up with a big arrow pointing "Rogue go this way".

Alright I'll give Mr Carey the benefit of the doubt. You're probably right as it would really clash with how he's been writing Rogue so far.

Good point. That would make sense, but it then isnt there some sort of irony that Rogue never made such a request of testing her powers in the Danger Room before if it could have always done this?

I was thinking that too. Maybe Danger (while still the Danger Room) would have been capable of it all along given all the info on Rogue she had. No surprise that no one saw it of course. They rarely used the Room for therapy sessions.

(Although SOME writer should have made a joke at SOME point that some X-Men indeed used it for uh, private moments. Come on it HAD to've happened here and there.)

[DeniseXfrost]

HUH? I don't understand this issue. I seriously don't.

...but Magnus is hot.
But I just ordered that X-Men Unlimited issue #33 with Emma and Selene bored off their teats at the Hellfire manse!
<3

[pariah-1972]

Decent enough issue i was wondering how long it would take for someone to exholve Charles of entrapping a sentient machine.

I like the way he draws Rogue she is pretty and nice looking but not too busty or sexxy.


I love the contempt the shi'ar have with us earthlings it cracks me up and they will probably treat us all like animals if they were to come down here.

[Nathan]

Courtesy of soulkiller.

http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/?action=view&current=XML223_Gambit_0003.jpg

great Gambit gets saved by Rogue wow didnt see that coming , im sick of this bullshit writers seem to forget that Gambit can take care of himself especially Carey whos writting is dipping in form all the time,Legacy started out fine but now i thank god i droped this title its a pile of piss as is Uncanny ,X-Men havnt been good for years now and are constantly outshined by X-Force, X-Factor,(when they were around)New X-men bring back Wheadon i say

[Washout]

great Gambit gets saved by Rogue wow didnt see that coming ? i thank god i droped this title its a pile of piss as is Uncanny ,X-Men havnt been good for years now and are constantly outshined by X-Force, X-Factor,(when they were around)New X-men bring back Wheadon i say

You are entitled to your opinion, but if you read the book, you would notice some amazing Gambit moments. My favorite scene in the book is the scene with Gambit and the guns. This book has gone down in quality due to editorial mandates, but Carey is an awesome writer and he works with what he's given.

[darknessatnoon]

You are entitled to your opinion, but if you read the book, you would notice some amazing Gambit moments. My favorite scene in the book is the scene with Gambit and the guns. This book has gone down in quality due to editorial mandates, but Carey is an awesome writer and he works with what he's given.

I completely agree. I was actually impressed with Gambit for once. My real problem with him being in the book is that Gambit and Rogue don't work together when Sage isn't in the picture. I don't really see Danger filling the hole in their relationship like Tessa did.

[Agent_Torpor]

I just hope that Danger doesn't devolve to the Warlock robot-aide-de-camp role - although I fail to see how that isn't possible. However, in Carey I trust.

[timbox]

I completely agree. I was actually impressed with Gambit for once. My real problem with him being in the book is that Gambit and Rogue don't work together when Sage isn't in the picture. I don't really see Danger filling the hole in their relationship like Tessa did.

Danger will create a permanent hardlight hologram around herself making her appear to be Sage. Danger and Sage have the same level privileges in the same databases and share a similar processing capability. Do you think Danger's subroutines can accurately distribute the Sage protocol runtime functionality?

[darknessatnoon]

Danger will create a permanent hardlight hologram around herself making her appear to be Sage. Danger and Sage have the same level privileges in the same databases and share a similar processing capability. Do you think Danger's subroutines can accurately distribute the Sage protocol runtime functionality?

Gambit knows her kiss.

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[darknessatnoon]

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[darknessatnoon]

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[timbox]

What are you posting?

[darknessatnoon]

What are you posting?

Pictures of Gambit, Rogue and Sage together.

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I think Danger can stimulate the chemical reactions in Rogue's brain, causing her to get off, just as well as Sage could. Certainly better than Gambit could ever hope to achieve.

[darknessatnoon]

I think Danger can stimulate the chemical reactions in Rogue's brain, causing her to get off, just as well as Sage could. Certainly better than Gambit could ever hope to achieve.

Don't underestimate. Shaw taught Gambit many pleasuring techniques, and Danger can't kinetically charge Rogue's body parts.

[Agent_Torpor]

"SAGE!!! Don't you walk away from me, woman!"

LOL x 1000. I <3 that fine scripting craftsmanship.

[Canemacar]

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Some back up. If he pulls the trigger, he'd end up shooting the both of them. But I guess it can be chalked up to inexperience; guns make him nervous after all.

[Fatguy]

Poor Rogue, Sage is drooling into her nose.

[darknessatnoon]

Poor Rogue, Sage is drooling into her nose.

ERROR:

Sage bloodied Rogue's nose with a good elbow to the face.

[Fatguy]

ERROR:

Sage bloodied Rogue's nose with a good elbow to the face.

I think you're mistaken, see, in the next panel there is no blood. It was drool, and it all went into poor Rogue's sinuses.

The page clearly shows Sage falling asleep on Rogue's face. Only to be awoken by Gambit looking for somebody to sexually assault.

[darknessatnoon]

I think you're mistaken, see, in the next panel there is no blood. It was drool, and it all went into poor Rogue's sinuses.

The page clearly shows Sage falling asleep on Rogue's face. Only to be awoken by Gambit looking for somebody to sexually assault.

Please don't question the pre-eminent Scholar of X-Treme X-Men.

[Bronze Badger]

I think you're mistaken, see, in the next panel there is no blood. It was drool, and it all went into poor Rogue's sinuses.

The page clearly shows Sage falling asleep on Rogue's face. Only to be awoken by Gambit looking for somebody to sexually assault.

Non-canon. But more interesting than canon, therefore: Make It Canon!

[Shaid O Gray]

I'd forgotten how eye-burningly hideous Kordey's art was to me.

Yep.....eyes burning again.

Aow.

[AcesX1X]

i want igor kordey on art chores for mike carey. no one draws rogue like kordey.

[Nicoclaws]

I'd forgotten how eye-burningly hideous Kordey's art was to me.

Yep.....eyes burning again.

Aow.

Kordey is great, he just needs much time and no inker. I would see him on Astonishing.

[pariah-1972]

Kordey is ok he tends to make people look a little too soft and cuddly.

[Shaid O Gray]

Sorry, all his action poses are stiff and stilted, his faces are weird, uber-smooth and either expressionless or yelling 'OOOOH' constantly. And when they're even remotely tilted the perspective is all screwed and the facial dimension are completey messed up. And am I really the only one noticing Gambit's monkey hands in that one panel?

All I ever hear is 'oh he just needs some time.' And all I've ever seen of him is sheer crap. Tastes will differ but this guy's sense of anatomy was seriously fubar. Pass, thanks.

And on a different note, what a weird-ass scene was that from X-treme. Sage's 'battle instincts' or whatever kicking in for a second, I can see, but to fight (and nearly kill) your teammate for that long? For no reason other than she 'shouldn't surprise' you?? That's not 'oopsy' anymore. That's 'oh so you're completely insane?'

[Joe Franklin]

From today's Cup o Joe.


USB Poort says:
Joe, lets talk about X-Men Legacy for a little bit. So the Professor Xavier show was cool for a while, but now it seems to be lingering a bit. I love seeing Gambit and Rogue back, but I’d love to see them mingle with the San Franciscans.
Do we think they’ll show up during the upcoming Uncanny crossover?

JQ: You’re in luck, USB Poort. As you’ll see in the July solicits, Rogue, Gambit and Danger are headed to San Fran and joining in on the Utopia action.
That will lead into the new direction that Legacy is taking starting right after the crossover!

[Naira K]

And ending on a big ole teasing cliffhanger of course. Glowing (and looks like flying) Rogue? How so? I'm not really buying the 'she absorbed Danger' theory. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I can't imagine turning her into a walking hologram room doesn't seem like something Mike would make Rogue's big new direction. What else? Does she have the ability to access powers she once possessed? Sounds a little like the X-Treme plot and that can't really be worked into a new Status Quo for her either. Dunno. Can't wait to see though.


Do you think it has something to do with the flames Rogue's facing on her #226 cover?

[pariah-1972]

The only thing that can explain the end of Legacy to me is she got Sunfire's powers back which would be a little anti-climatic.

[Canemacar]

I doubt the flames signify Sunfire's power's. Carey was the one that axed them, for one thing. They're probably just there for dramatic effect.

[CmX]

I want Ms. Marvel powers back. I miss Rogue flying around and smashin shit. I don't care how forced it is, just do it.

[pariah-1972]

I want Ms. Marvel powers back. I miss Rogue flying around and smashin shit. I don't care how forced it is, just do it.I dunno i think it would be cool for her to just go back to her original powers and use those like she does in the movies.

[Seikun21]

I dunno i think it would be cool for her to just go back to her original powers and use those like she does in the movies.

She sucked in the movies.

[Bronze Badger]

I want Ms. Marvel powers back. I miss Rogue flying around and smashin shit. I don't care how forced it is, just do it.

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[CmX]

I dunno i think it would be cool for her to just go back to her original powers and use those like she does in the movies.

Isn't that how she is right now? I thought at the end of Messiah Complex she had no powers other than her original absorption ability? Oh and Mystique break dancing in her head.

[Anna]

Couple of thoughts The "Danger" body Xavier was reactivating is a decoy; the real Danger is posing as Rogue, and is glowing in order to fool the pirates. #2 Rogue is now able to pick and choose from any of the powers she's absorbed in the past, and is going to use them all on these guys.

[eurazn]

Couple of thoughts The "Danger" body Xavier was reactivating is a decoy; the real Danger is posing as Rogue, and is glowing in order to fool the pirates. #2 Rogue is now able to pick and choose from any of the powers she's absorbed in the past, and is going to use them all on these guys.

Wasn't Rogue able to do that previously? I could do without the re-hash ...

[Slung]

I want Ms. Marvel powers back. I miss Rogue flying around and smashin shit. I don't care how forced it is, just do it.

I support this 100%

[Anna]

Wasn't Rogue able to do that previously? I could do without the re-hash ...

She could after she touched a Skrull, but had no control. Then Sage amped her up to where she could use them all at once, but she burned that out...

[pariah-1972]

Isn't that how she is right now? I thought at the end of Messiah Complex she had no powers other than her original absorption ability? Oh and Mystique break dancing in her head.She has mystique's shaope changing powers.

[wacky_wacky_wade]

I support this 100%

Me too, I missed Rogue (and Gambit), I would definitely like to see her flying and smashing stuff. I wouldn't like to see her having access to all the powers she absorbed though, too much power doesn't make a more interesting character imho.

[sbo]

I want Ms. Marvel powers back. I miss Rogue flying around and smashin shit. I don't care how forced it is, just do it.

I could not agree more!! Make it so Mr Carey, Marvel, somebody!

[Naira K]

I could not agree more!! Make it so Mr Carey, Marvel, somebody!

Don't you all want some new power? :smile: Like I'm curious how Rogue will work with some energy-based or psychic powers. Always been a fan of her fire powers. That suits her.

[Washout]

Don't you all want some new power? :smile: Like I'm curious how Rogue will work with some energy-based or psychic powers. Always been a fan of her fire powers. That suits her.

They X-men have too many psychics as it is, and Rogue works best as a bruiser, imho.

[Slung]

Don't you all want some new power? :smile: Like I'm curious how Rogue will work with some energy-based or psychic powers. Always been a fan of her fire powers. That suits her.

Not really. I hated the fire powers. I'd like her to have her Ms. Marvel powers, those were the best for her (maybe she can permanently absorb that Moonstone chick.

They X-men have too many psychics as it is, and Rogue works best as a bruiser, imho.

Exactly.

[Fatguy]

Yeah, Rogue NEEDS to be a tank. She's kinda been crap lately. Probably not a coincidence.

[nightw1ng]

Not really. I hated the fire powers. I'd like her to have her Ms. Marvel powers, those were the best for her (maybe she can permanently absorb that Moonstone chick.hm, you know, that actually could work. i believe moonstone is currently powered by 2 moonstones (she absorbed a second one from baron zemo), so rogue could absorb one of them without leaving moonstone powerless (i think moonstone is too interesting to take off the board). the powerset is similar to the current ms. marvel's with the addition of intangibility.

[The Black Guardian]

Yeah, Rogue NEEDS to be a tank. She's kinda been crap lately. Probably not a coincidence.
Agreed. The X-Men have telepaths and blasters, and Rogue simply can't compete. More tanks are always welcome.