Uncanny X-Men #508 *spoilers*

[NewMutant]

And after Jean Paul bites back to Emma they both would go out shpping together. Jean Paul and Emma will be such friendnemies. I could totally see JP C-blocky Scott when it comes to speanding time with Emma with JP loving it.

I totally see Emma and Northstar having a fun relationship.

[darknessatnoon]

Psylocke is not immune to telepathy. I can see why most of you people think that since the last you saw of her was in Die By the Sword. If you people had been reading New Exiles, you would have known by now that Ogun was able to mind-control Psylocke as well.

I am pretty pissed off that WBE hasn't set you straight on this by now.

In any case, all they did was transfer her life force to Kwannon. I think her mind died with the asian body.

[drwho]

So if this is the case is maddie going to need the other x-men bodies in order to resurrect the dead family members.

[Dagger]

Maddie killed herself, at the end of Inferno, because she'd rather die than coexist with Jean, if I remember correctly.

Nate Grey brought her back in X-Man #4.

[Swashbuckler]

So if this is the case is maddie going to need the other x-men bodies in order to resurrect the dead family members.

Dazzler's big scene that was talked about will probably her being forced into Matstermind.

[drwho]

yeah dazzlers big comeback will be her starring as a corpse. As long as they play music in the background that should be cool.

[Novaya Havoc]

Dazzler's big scene that was talked about will probably her being forced into Matstermind.

yeah dazzlers big comeback will be her starring as a corpse. As long as they play music in the background that should be cool.

You both should be fed to the lions like the heretics you are.

[Bingo!]

she must be telepathic. there is no other option. asian psylocke is dead. it is expired. the telekinesis lived in the asian body.

You are correct. A TK would not produce a "massive psychic event." Telepathy wins.

[drwho]

You both should be fed to the lions like the heretics you are.

you worship lois london. look who is talking.

[worstblogever]

I am pretty pissed off that WBE hasn't set you straight on this by now.


Again, I'm actively trying to quarantine New Exiles from the bulk of my memory. It's one of the few things that keeps me functionally sane enough to get through the day.

[Dagger]

you worship lois london. look who is talking.

:confused: :confused: :confused: You're making fun of Lois London with a Sleepwalker avvie?

[drwho]

:confused: :confused: :confused: You're making fun of Lois London with a Sleepwalker avvie?

Sleepwalker had a starring role in a series that lasted over 30 issues. Lois London killed a cat.

[worstblogever]

Sleepwalker had a starring role in a series. Lois London killed a cat.

Ahem. Lois killed a hobo, too. Which is more than Sleepwalker DID in his whole series.

[RunningWithJuanPablo]

Well there seems to be a nice arc developing, but I have no idea who any of these characters are, especially the sisters who keeping talking down to each other. I also had no idea who was transferred into the cadaver at the end, as well as not knowing who body was. It was just confusing at times for my X-noobishness. The art was nice too. Also, what did Nightcrawler mean when he referred to Emma Frost as a $10,000 handbag, or something along those lines?

[lockerogue]

Lois London is fierce. Don't hate Dr. Who.

[jester1436]

Sleepwalker had a starring role in a series that lasted over 30 issues. Lois London killed a cat.

Sleepwalker isn't Dazzler's sister. No one cares.

[drwho]

Well there seems to be a nice arc developing, but I have no idea who any of these characters are, especially the sisters who keeping talking down to each other. I also had no idea who was transferred into the cadaver at the end, as well as not knowing who body was. It was just confusing at times for my X-noobishness. The art was nice too. Also, what did Nightcrawler mean when he referred to Emma Frost as a $10,000 handbag, or something along those lines?

That is what happens when they revisit a 23 yr old storyline.

[Swashbuckler]

The art was nice too. Also, what did Nightcrawler mean when he referred to Emma Frost as a $10,000 handbag, or something along those lines?

Are you kidding?

[Bingo!]

Again, I'm actively trying to quarantine New Exiles from the bulk of my memory. It's one of the few things that keeps me functionally sane enough to get through the day.

I think Fraction clearly proved that New Exiles was a virtual world forced upon Betsy by the Sisterhood, and therefore retconned.

[peopleofpaper]

So the Asian Psylocke in Exiles isn't the real Psylocke? I don't know much about the Exiles. Isn't she on the cover of the upcoming issue and she went back to them in Sword of the Braddocks? The more I think about this the more confused I am.

[Dagger]

Well there seems to be a nice arc developing, but I have no idea who any of these characters are, especially the sisters who keeping talking down to each other. I also had no idea who was transferred into the cadaver at the end, as well as not knowing who body was. It was just confusing at times for my X-noobishness. The art was nice too. Also, what did Nightcrawler mean when he referred to Emma Frost as a $10,000 handbag, or something along those lines?
He was calling her a sows ear.

[drwho]

So the Asian Psylocke in Exiles isn't the real Psylocke? I don't know much about the Exiles. Isn't she on the cover of the upcoming issue and she went back to them in Sword of the Braddocks? The more I think about this the more confused I am.

yeah its another horrible retcon to a story that was explained with a previously horrible retcon.

[Dagger]

I think Fraction clearly proved that New Exiles was a virtual world forced upon Betsy by the Sisterhood, and therefore retconned.
I could live with this. Hopefully Fraction will allow me to enjoy Betsy once again.

[RunningWithJuanPablo]

Are you kidding?

It's like my 4th X-book read, not counting Messiah Complex and the current Messiah War stuff, so I honestly don't know. Also, I tend to stay away from wikipedia to seek out such answers because I don't want to spoil myself since I plan to go back and try to read stories, etc. etc.

[Bingo!]

So the Asian Psylocke in Exiles isn't the real Psylocke? I don't know much about the Exiles. Isn't she on the cover of the upcoming issue and she went back to them in Sword of the Braddocks? The more I think about this the more confused I am.

New Exiles doesn't matter. It's been retconned.

Betsy is now in Kwannon's legacy ravaged body.

[Dagger]

New Exiles doesn't matter. It's been retconned.

Betsy is now in Kwannon's legacy ravaged body.
Did her Legacy Virus get cured when Colossus sacrificed himself?

[Swashbuckler]

It's like my 4th X-book read, not counting Messiah Complex and the current Messiah War stuff, so I honestly don't know. Also, I tend to stay away from wikipedia to seek out such answers because I don't want to spoil myself since I plan to go back and try to read stories, etc. etc.

Fair enough, he's saying she needs to be more then just "fabulous" and that she has more worth then her looks and money. Honestly, "fair enough" isn't me being honest. That text in the issue explained it all. Welcome to the X-Boards and the X-Men. Hope you survive the experience.

[jester1436]

Did her Legacy Virus get cured when Colossus sacrificed himself?

She will use her open sores as a distraction in battle.

[Bingo!]

Did her Legacy Virus get cured when Colossus sacrificed himself?

I don't believe so. Kwannon died while still infected and before Colossus sacrificed himself.

[darknessatnoon]

I think Fraction clearly proved that New Exiles was a virtual world forced upon Betsy by the Sisterhood, and therefore retconned.

Like I said earlier, massage parlour.

[worstblogever]

Well, I thought I'd come back to my Land "Deja Vu" art moment for the day. For those who aren't aware, I'll give my brief recap of some past moments:

Ultimate Sue Richards from Ultimate Fantastic Four #32 vs. Pixie from Uncanny #501:
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/SueRichards.jpg
And both look like money shot face. I believe I also had, in a bigger collection of Land stuff, two Cyclops separated by one issue.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/LandHunt.jpg
Uncanny #501 vs. #502. Also found a woman in Wales from the Free Comic Book Day X-Men vs. a duplicate in Uncanny #500, where it's a woman in a Kitty Pryde outfit.

Well, I've seen Land apologists tell me people who look to catch him doing this have no life for hunting them down. Really, though, it's not hard. Case in point...

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/landhunt2.jpg

[Bingo!]

Like I said earlier, massage parlour.

Those mecha-gloves allow prolonged periods of motion.

Where does this retcon leave Sage?

[darknessatnoon]

Those mecha-gloves allow prolonged periods of motion.

Where does this retcon leave Sage?

She belongs with her true love Gambit/Rogue.

[Alphaxman]

Well I hope Fraction at least mention her time with the New Exiles because I hate it when a writer uses a character and contradicts their last appearance. We need to know how the Sisterhood captured Betsy and if she put up a decent fight. Yes Claremont last Psylocke story was confusing but she was last seen at the Crystal Palace. And if Betsy is now back in her old body, Fraction better explain how Maddie was to do that sense Betsy is immune to any physical and mental alteration thanks to her brother as others have stated. But if Fraction killed her to bring back Kwannon, Betsy better have a flashback scene to give her some kind of closure.

[darknessatnoon]

Well I hope Fraction at least mention her time with the New Exiles because I hate it when a writer uses a character and contradicts their last appearance. We need to know how the Sisterhood captured Betsy and if she put up a decent fight. Yes Claremont last Psylocke story was confusing but she was last seen at the Crystal Palace. And if Betsy is now back in her old body, Fraction better explain how Maddie was to do that sense Betsy is immune to any physical and mental alteration thanks to her brother as others have stated. But if Fraction killed her to bring back Kwannon, Betsy better have a flashback scene to give her some kind of closure.

I think that's more Jeff Parker's territory, though. He's got the job of explaining what happened to the old Exiles.

[Swashbuckler]

I think that's more Jeff Parker's territory, though. He's got the job of explaining what happened to the old Exiles.

Agreed, plus the only closure Psylocke needs is the final panel of her legs closing, ending her reign of slut-tastic nonsense.

[Alphaxman]

Agreed, plus the only closure Psylocke needs is the final panel of her legs closing, ending her reign of slut-tastic nonsense.

I'm not talking about all of Exiles, just how the Sisterhood found and took her. And whatever to that slut-tastic remark. Her outfits are not least slutty than Emma's or Storm's. They just have capes covering their ass.

[Swashbuckler]

I'm not talking about all of Exiles, just how the Sisterhood found and took her. And whatever to that slut-tastic remark. Her outfits are not least slutty than Emma's or Storm's. They just have capes covering their ass.

Her outfit is the least of my concerns. She is a tramp. Ramsey, Angel, Colossus drawing her nude, Sabretooth, Thunderbird III, Cyclops. She's a tramp.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Don't talk ill of the dead, swashbuckler.

[Swashbuckler]

Don't talk ill of the dead, swashbuckler.

What's she gonna do? Throw a maggot off her corpse at me?

[cgar]

she's not dead and she's not a tramp. you two are FoF.and Fraction wont explain how the sisterhood captured her because we'll be learning about that lame science team, we'll have more scenes of pixie eating cereal, emma bonding with someone, and cyclops talking about the baby or having one.

[Alphaxman]

She’s no slutier than Rogue or Emma.
Rogue: Gambit, Magneto, Joseph, Peter, flirting with Longshot
Emma: Shaw, Namor, Sean, Scott, Dark Beast, etc.

[Bingo!]

She belongs with her true love Gambit/Rogue.

You don't think Sage delivered Psylocke to the Sisterhood?

[Novaya Havoc]

You don't think Sage delivered Psylocke to the Sisterhood?

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

[Bingo!]

She’s no slutier than Rogue or Emma.
Rogue: Gambit, Magneto, Joseph, Peter, flirting with Longshot
Emma: Shaw, Namor, Sean, Scott, Dark Beast, etc.

The "Psylocke is a slut/tramp" whine is old and tired. Don't engage those petty statements.

[cgar]

Sage isnt scorned though. She's like way above Psylocke. Betsy's not even on her level anymore. Sage is a goddes NOW remember. Sage is bitchy sometimes though so you never know

[Dagger]

UGH!! @#$%ING UPS! All this weeks books didn't make it to my lcs. They should be there tomorrow. HMMMPH! How am I to see the return of Revanche if the book isn't here! I demand scans!!!!

[Dagger]

She’s no slutier than Rogue or Emma.
Rogue: Gambit, Magneto, Joseph, Peter, flirting with Longshot
Emma: Shaw, Namor, Sean, Scott, Dark Beast, etc.
Do clones really count as separate people?

[Bingo!]

Sage isnt scorned though. She's like way above Psylocke. Betsy's not even on her level anymore. Sage is a goddes NOW remember. Sage is bitchy sometimes though so you never know

You failed to notice that Fraction retconned New Exiles. Even Darknessatnoon has accepted it.

[darknessatnoon]

Sage isnt scorned though. She's like way above Psylocke. Betsy's not even on her level anymore. Sage is a goddes NOW remember. Sage is bitchy sometimes though so you never know

This is the first time I have ever seen you make sense. I think my work with this thread is done.

[Novaya Havoc]

Sage isnt scorned though. She's like way above Psylocke. Betsy's not even on her level anymore. Sage is a goddes NOW remember. Sage is bitchy sometimes though so you never know

That didn't stop Gods like Zeus or Yahweh from being incredulous and vindictive. How is S.A.G.E. any more noble? She's so Old School God.

[Bronze Badger]

You failed to notice that Fraction retconned New Exiles. Even Darknessatnoon has accepted it.

Hopefully, he will retcon New Excalibur. And the whole heap of crap some call Ink. And crocs. I hate those damn shoes.

[Alphaxman]

That didn't stop Gods like Zeus or Yahweh from being incredulous and vindictive. How is S.A.G.E. any more noble? She's so Old School God.

That's why she needs Storm to put her in her place. I miss the Storm, Sage, Bishop dynamic. They balance each other out. If Storm and Sage were still X-Men at the time maybe Bishop wouldn't have gone batshit cazy.

[darknessatnoon]

That's why she needs Storm to put her in her place. I miss the Storm, Sage, Bishop dynamic. They balance each other out. If Storm and Sage were still X-Men at the time maybe Bishop wouldn't have gone batshit cazy.

You aren't reading the Bishop limited series. Storm is the one who drove Bishop crazy in the first place.

[wader0069]

Revanche is NOT back. Maddie says to Psylocke,... Your new home, your new body. So it is still Betsy's psyche. However I to want to know how she could be captured, when she is immune to psychic attacks, and is a strong leveled TK. It makes no sense. Plus where the hell did anyone get she was working in a massage parlor??? That was never said, ,.....ever.

I doubt this will last long, because Psylocke is in her Asian body in a couple covers coming up, with the science team.

[Dagger]

That's why she needs Storm to put her in her place. I miss the Storm, Sage, Bishop dynamic. They balance each other out. If Storm and Sage were still X-Men at the time maybe Bishop wouldn't have gone batshit cazy.
Sure he would have. CC transformed him into Forge, and the multiple personalities drove him there.

[drwho]

so why should betsy care if she got her old body back. not like she was btching about the bod anywhere else. Perhaps she can reunite with Exiles Sabretooth and he would be like WTF Betsy WTF with a tear rolling down his face.

[lockerogue]

I doubt this will last long, because Psylocke is in her Asian body in a couple covers coming up, with the science team.

All of Paquette's women tend to have that same look in the face.

[Dagger]

Revanche is NOT back. Maddie says to Psylocke,... Your new home, your new body. So it is still Betsy's psyche. However I to want to know how she could be captured, when she is immune to psychic attacks, and is a strong leveled TK. It makes no sense. Plus where the hell did anyone get she was working in a massage parlor??? That was never said, ,.....ever.

I doubt this will last long, because Psylocke is in her Asian body in a couple covers coming up, with the science team.
It's this new thing called sarcasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)

[Home made ectoplasm]

Revanche is NOT back. Maddie says to Psylocke,... Your new home, your new body. So it is still Betsy's psyche. However I to want to know how she could be captured, when she is immune to psychic attacks, and is a strong leveled TK. It makes no sense..

Since it makes no sense, maybe your theory is wrong.

The new body is Revanches new body, her old one was a corpse, it has been rejuvinated.

That explains it with no continuity errors.

[coconutphone]

I really enjoyed this. They managed to get hit a ton of character points and get some good plot done. I forgot that Betsy was supposed to be back so it was a nice surprise and I'm intrigued that she's back in her old body.

[wader0069]

All of Paquette's women tend to have that same look in the face.

No she is clearly Asian with the Hand outfit.......

It is not Revanche I assure you that... the dialogue was clearly to be taken that they transferred her psyche into Revanches body. the solicits for the next issue says an old friend is now a foe, and the return of one of the greatest x-ladies. revanche was never a great x-lady...

[Leogam]

YYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!!!!!!!!!!! Im so Happy Betsy is back in her original body, but why did the Sisterhood, want to do this ? Also really good that Northstar joined the cast as a someone gay younger mutants could look up to & come for advice, but why would they cast 3 mutants with light powers to be on the team, and then we have Dagger on Dark X-Men



But back to Betsy, so from what I've read my theory is is that the Sisterhood kidnapped Betsy (in Kwannon body) after she returned from Exiles & stole the coffin of Kwannon (in Betsy body), did some mumbo jumbo magic, and transfered Betsy's soul from Asian body to the newly ressurected British body Kwannon previously inhabited before sucoming and dying to the Legacy Virus. Now we have original Betsy back in the body she was born into (with purple hair not blonde,TP & Precognition), therefore we have Kwannons Asian body die because her spirit already went to the afterlife, and the reason she doesnt remember anyone is cause the sisterhood manipulated her mind so that she will follow thier orders. After this arc is finished I would like to see Betsy join M:13, and Kwannon (with black hair,TK/Low Empathy) either be a villian in the X-Verse, or join X-Force.

[wader0069]

YYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!!!!!!!!!!! Im so Happy Betsy is back in her original body, but why did the Sisterhood, want to do this ? Also really good that Northstar joined the cast as a someone gay younger mutants could look up to & come for advice, but why would they cast 3 mutants with light powers to be on the team, and then we have Dagger on Dark X-Men

I would assume they want Betsy to have her TP. By giving her something she wants ( her original body) she has TP and owes the sisterhood.

[drwho]

so where have we seen betsy btching about her powers? that sounds rather random.

[Bronze Badger]

I would assume they want Betsy to have her TP. By giving her something she wants ( her original body) she has TP and owes the sisterhood.

I didn't know Toilet Paper was such a coveted item among evil mutants.

[Dagger]

No she is clearly Asian with the Hand outfit.......

It is not Revanche I assure you that... the dialogue was clearly to be taken that they transferred her psyche into Revanches body. the solicits for the next issue says an old friend is now a foe, and the return of one of the greatest x-ladies. revanche was never a great x-lady...

Isn't she wearing a dress on the cover of the Paquette cover? I'm pretty sure she is, since they are all in clothes from that era.

[drwho]

Also doesnt it seem weird that betsy would work with spiral who worked with mojo and gave her robot eyes.

[wader0069]

so where have we seen betsy btching about her powers? that sounds rather random.

Well actually in her first appearance in New Exiles, she said this is the time she missed them. When she was in the middle of no where, but I was talking about her original body. I mean it is her body, the one she was born with. Why would she not want it???

[creaky]

Also, what did Nightcrawler mean when he referred to Emma Frost as a $10,000 handbag, or something along those lines?

I need someone to expand on this, please!

[drwho]

Well actually in her first appearance in New Exiles, she said this is the time she missed them. When she was in the middle of no where, but I was talking about her original body. I mean it is her body, the one she was born with. Why would she not want it???

yeah but to turn on her friends to do it. That is really stretching it.

[Aguja]

I am ecstatic that Chimera has replaced Psylocke as a white woman pretending to be Asian. I think Marvel realized Chimera did it better and less offensively, which is why Psylocke was reverted to her former state of being.

[wader0069]

yeah but to turn on her friends to do it. That is really stretching it.


I don't think she is doing it by choice. She is being forced to, Maddie is powerful, and unfortunately Betsy probably could not take the sisterhood by herself.

[Deus ex Chris]

I am ecstatic that Chimera has replaced Psylocke as a white woman pretending to be Asian. I think Marvel realized Chimera did it better and less offensively, which is why Psylocke was reverted to her former state of being.

Probably but psychic dragons are as inexcusable as psychic swords. At least she's not a minstrel show reject.

[Red Lotus]

You aren't reading the Bishop limited series. Storm is the one who drove Bishop crazy in the first place.

Maybe thats why Forge is doing whatever he is doing in AXM. Storm made him go crazy. I'm starting to think that T'Challa is lucky to be in a coma.

[americocaine]

I wonder what Clare-#*#* thinks about this. Ah, don't care for Psycock but its great to see that douche get the heave-ho for his crappy writing so soon. Oh but CHRIS! SEX-MEN FOREVER!

[Novaya Havoc]

I bet Claremont is having multiple seizures over this issue. Poor CC. I have sympathy.

I am slowly constructing my review.

[Alphaxman]

I don't think she is doing it by choice. She is being forced to, Maddie is powerful, and unfortunately Betsy probably could not take the sisterhood by herself.

But She Should Be Force To Do Anything!!! She should be immune to any psychic tapering. But I did stop reading New Exiles early on so I don’t know if Jamie safeguards are still active. But I’ll want and see before I start bitchin’.

[Bingo!]

I bet Claremont is having multiple seizures over this issue. Poor CC. I have sympathy.

I am slowly constructing my review.

He's likely wishing that he placed Betsy safely with the X-Men rather than leave her in Omniversal limbo.

[drwho]

when dazzler gets squished does she still squirt out black goo?

[Anna]

Wisdom already did that in Warren Ellis' Excalibur run. Anything that occurs in New Exiles is not canon. Try again. It's canon; even when Dazz calls T.J. "Grrrl".

Why would Dr Kavita want to join the science team? Didn't she want to cure all mutants? Because Faction's a chauvinist who wants her to make coffe for the men.

That last time Dazzler was well used was in Eve of Destruction when she pwned Magneto. She had help.

too many readers only know psylocke as the asian bombshell. so the fact they are giving her back her original body is not to reader friendly. I mean she hasnt had her original body since like the mid 80s. SO to give her back her old body is somewhat pointless and causes more problems for new readers i would think. It also removes the objections of those who refer to her as an ethnic stereotype.

Lois London is fierce. Don't hate Dr. Who. Unless you're Christian Siriano, don't refer to any female as fierce. Especially one with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

New Exiles doesn't matter. It's been retconned.

Betsy is now in Kwannon's legacy ravaged body.

I don't believe so. Kwannon died while still infected and before Colossus sacrificed himself. Maddie's spell fixed it.
You don't think Sage delivered Psylocke to the Sisterhood?

Sage isnt scorned though. She's like way above Psylocke. Betsy's not even on her level anymore. Sage is a goddes NOW remember. Sage is bitchy sometimes though so you never know If Sage did such a thing, she has her reasons. She'd probably know she was handing the Sisterhood the key to their destruction.

YYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!!!!!!!!!!! Im so Happy Betsy is back in her original body, but why did the Sisterhood, want to do this ? Also really good that Northstar joined the cast as a someone gay younger mutants could look up to & come for advice, but why would they cast 3 mutants with light powers to be on the team, and then we have Dagger on Dark X-Men
Did Logan invite Aurora or just Northstar? Besides maybe it's a signal that Dazzler's becoming redundant.

[Somebody]

when dazzler gets squished does she still squirt out black goo?

I think that was meant to be blood - even now, they're still not allowed to make blood red in non-MAX books.

It could be worse. Once, Moondragon was given bright blue blood for no obvious reason...

[creaky]

I think that was meant to be blood - even now, they're still not allowed to make blood red in non-MAX books.

I seem to recall a LOT of red blood in Messiah Complex and Divided We Stand, neither of which were MAX books.

[Justin K.]

Liv Tyler?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/MadelynePryorLivTyler.jpg

[SkinFromBone]

I know some people like this science club plot but I don't. To many pages wasted on it IMO. UXM is already moving slow ass. I wasn't going to buy it but the preview was interesting. I had a feeling the preview pages would follow with the science club...sitting around and bitching. I can't stand this huge cast Fraction is dealing with because it reads like he's strained on keeping up with so many characters. It's not working for me.

Maybe Maddie will kill the hookers and the science club. That would speed this books pace up a whole issue. I'm liking Maddie and the sisterhood more then I expected so I guess it was worth...half of the money I paid for it. I suck.

[varo]

"that's the most embarrassing thing I've ever heard, and i used to be a part of alpha flight"


that really annoyed me.

[Alphaxman]

"that's the most embarrassing thing I've ever heard, and i used to be a part of alpha flight"


that really annoyed me.

I feel you on this. They may not have been the most ‘successful’ team out their but they saved the world lots of times. But Jean-Paul was never the team’s biggest cheerleader.

[CmX]

I've just re-read it. I finally got it. The Red Queen killed Psylocke to resurrect Revanche. My world is shattered! Stupid X-Office! I can't believe it! I'm so mad!

Don't be foolish.

[nightw1ng]

But She Should Be Force To Do Anything!!! She should be immune to any psychic tapering. But I did stop reading New Exiles early on so I don’t know if Jamie safeguards are still active. But I’ll want and see before I start bitchin’.the way i see it, psylocke in her asian body is protected from psychic manipulation thanks to jamie. since maddie wants someone to control, they kill psylocke's asian body and place it in her old body before she moves on. now she's basically rebooted. no more mojo eyes, no more crimson dawn, no more TK transferred from jean, no more quantum tampering from her brother jamie that protects her from manipulation.

[Washout]

Liv Tyler?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/MadelynePryorLivTyler.jpg

Speaking of, the image of naked Betsy/Kwannon on the last page is really familiar to me for some reason. I want to say it's a picture of Amy from Buffy, but that seems pretty obscure, and I can't find any images that support my claim. Does this look familiar to anyone else?

[DeniseXfrost]

Speaking of, the image of naked Betsy/Kwannon on the last page is really familiar to me for some reason. I want to say it's a picture of Amy from Buffy, but that seems pretty obscure, and I can't find any images that support my claim. Does this look familiar to anyone else?
Scan? I haven't got the issue yet.

[Justin K.]

Scan? I haven't got the issue yet.

I posted a link in the Psylocke thread

[coconutphone]

"that's the most embarrassing thing I've ever heard, and i used to be a part of alpha flight"


that really annoyed me.

I thought it was hilarious. They were a 2nd rate team.

[Washout]

Scan? I haven't got the issue yet.

Here's a link. I would post it directly in the message, but it is a little huger than I meant for it to be.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/havok73/landbets.jpg?t=1239852326

[CmX]

I posted a link in the Psylocke thread

I adore your avatar! :)

[Justin K.]

I adore your avatar! :)

Thanks, I also like yours

[DeniseXfrost]

Here's a link. I would post it directly in the message, but it is a little huger than I meant for it to be.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/havok73/landbets.jpg?t=1239852326
Thanks.

She looks ugly.

[Bronze Badger]

I thought it was hilarious. They were a 2nd rate team.

It's because they were Canadian. Mexico should have there own government sponsored superhero team before Canada does. I mean, what threats does Canada face? A maple syrup famine? A flannel shortage? Seriously, come on.

[peopleofpaper]

I know some people like this science club plot but I don't. To many pages wasted on it IMO. UXM is already moving slow ass. I wasn't going to buy it but the preview was interesting. I had a feeling the preview pages would follow with the science club...sitting around and bitching. I can't stand this huge cast Fraction is dealing with because it reads like he's strained on keeping up with so many characters. It's not working for me.

Maybe Maddie will kill the hookers and the science club. That would speed this books pace up a whole issue. I'm liking Maddie and the sisterhood more then I expected so I guess it was worth...half of the money I paid for it. I suck.

that's the one part of the issue where i just wanted to skip hurriedly. it irks me because it seems to drag on. a long-winded story about the same conversation. it sucks Betsy one way or another seems to be involved with their shenanigans for future issues. the rest of the issue was so great for me to read but that one section didn't attribute to anything for me.

[Justin K.]

It's because they were Canadian. Mexico should have there own government sponsored superhero team before Canada does. I mean, what threats does Canada face? A maple syrup famine? A flannel shortage? Seriously, come on.

RACIST!!!!

[DeniseXfrost]

It's because they were Canadian. Mexico should have there own government sponsored superhero team before Canada does. I mean, what threats does Canada face? A maple syrup famine? A flannel shortage? Seriously, come on.
That's right because only a satan's spawn would want to threaten Canada.

[Bronze Badger]

RACIST!!!!

Are you trying to tell me that Canadians are now their own race? The arrogance of you people. You must be French-Canadian,eh?

[Justin K.]

Are you trying to tell me that Canadians are now their own race? The arrogance of you people. You must be French-Canadian,eh?

No. If you lived in Canada though, you could get away with murder basically
Stupid Justice system here is too Liberal and not harsh enough

[Bronze Badger]

No. If you lived in Canada though, you could get away with murder basically
Stupid Justice system here is too Liberal and not harsh enough

Lenient justice and free meds??!! Why am I living in the US? Oh that's right, because I hate hockey. And the French.

[Justin K.]

Lenient justice and free meds??!! Why am I living in the US? Oh that's right, because I hate hockey. And the French.

Not all of Canada is French, just Quebec mostly...

[Bronze Badger]

Not all of Canada is French, just Quebec mostly...

Any French is too much French.

[Justin K.]

Any French is too much French.

How's life below the Mason-Dixon line?

[Bronze Badger]

How's life below the Mason-Dixon line?

Well, I recently divorced my wife, but I found out that legally she is still my sister. J/K, I really have no problem with Canadians. Except when they come to Florida and drive poorly. Of course, that is symptomatic of all old people, regardless of their Frenchness.

[Justin K.]

Well, I recently divorced my wife, but I found out that legally she is still my sister. J/K, I really have no problem with Canadians. Except when they come to Florida and drive poorly. Of course, that is symptomatic of all old people, regardless of their Frenchness.

Don't worry, I'm just playin'...
Canadians do drive poorly, I got hit by one on Monday

[Omega Alpha]

I've just read it and...damn, this is garbage. At least bad as the last issue, which I though was the worst issue of Uncanny in the last 30+ at least. Fraction's start wasn't all that bad, but this is already worse than Brubaker, and looks like it's gonna get much crappier *cough* "Dark X-men" *cough*. The Uncanny Curse it's still in effect, it seems.

[Justin K.]

as much as this pains me to say. i acctually think your right,i believe that betsys mind was transferred into her old body. with everything that maddie said plus the fact that so many people and writers suddenly want her back in her old body,it seems most likely.

As long as she's telepathic again, I'm happy

[DeniseXfrost]

she does, i'm not at all liking that hairstyle.
Looks like she's constipating.

[Firebaton]

I kinda liked it.

[Justin K.]

Who's the naked chick with Karma?

[cgar]

You failed to notice that Fraction retconned New Exiles. Even Darknessatnoon has accepted it.

Thats good. You see because i don't really care much for God Sage. i liked her more when she mattered.oh wait when was that

This is the first time I have ever seen you make sense. I think my work with this thread is done.

Stop flirting. Its unbecoming ;) i think this is the part where you tell me not to address you anymore


I cant wait till Betsy interacts with the other X-Men

[paulski]

Speaking of, the image of naked Betsy/Kwannon on the last page is really familiar to me for some reason. I want to say it's a picture of Amy from Buffy, but that seems pretty obscure, and I can't find any images that support my claim. Does this look familiar to anyone else?

Yup. Pretty damn good call, I say.

[Justin K.]

You failed to notice that Fraction retconned New Exiles. Even Darknessatnoon has accepted it.

He also retconned Generation X

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/EmmaLesson.jpg

[Waterlily]

Thanks.

She looks ugly.

That's because the Red Queen smoothed out all her scars. They were distinctive, she should've kept them.

[Bronze Badger]

He also retconned Generation X

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/EmmaLesson.jpg

I think the reference there is to New X-Men (Grant Morrison) when the Wild Sentinels destroyed Genosha while Emma was teaching a class.

[Bronze Badger]

Who's the naked chick with Karma?

Lindsay Lohan.

[Justin K.]

I think the reference there is to New X-Men (Grant Morrison) when the Wild Sentinels destroyed Genosha while Emma was teaching a class.

I thought it was yet another Hellions reference

[Justin K.]

Lindsay Lohan.

I came to a realization that the woman with Karma might be one of those Russian chicks

[Bronze Badger]

I came to a realization that the woman with Karma might be one of those Russian chicks

Then they are earning their keep.....

[Jay Dogg]

I felt like I just read an issue of Ultimatum (without the senseless killing) after reading this issue of Uncanny.

Just like Loeb, it felt like Fraction wrote it with a crayon.

[NewMutant]

I thought it was yet another Hellions reference

I think it was a Genosha Morrison ref too. However, what about New X-Men Acadmey X? In Messiah Complex she is shown teaching a class too.

[Bronze Badger]

I think it was a Genosha Morrison ref too. However, what about New X-Men Acadmey X? In Messiah Complex she is shown teaching a class too.

Artists mistake.

[NewMutant]

Artists mistake.

How is the writer not knowing a characters history the artists mistake?

[Bronze Badger]

How is the writer not knowing a characters history the artists mistake?

NON-CANON!

[Dagger]

Lindsay Lohan.

KARMA WOULD NEVER STOOP TO THAT SKANKY FIRE CROTCHETY GINGERS LEVEL!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!

[steve2275]

any COLOSSUS in this issue?

[Bronze Badger]

KARMA WOULD NEVER STOOP TO THAT SKANKY FIRE CROTCHETY GINGERS LEVEL!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!

Yes mistress. What is your opinion of Dagger's new Dark X-Men uniform? I think it highlights her snooch nicely.

[DeadXMan]

I felt like I just read an issue of Ultimatum (without the senseless killing) after reading this issue of Uncanny.

Just like Loeb, it felt like Fraction wrote it with a crayon.

I agree
and how come now they want Betsy in her original body (assuming it is the 616 since she in the floss out fit everyone was bitching about) When CC want to do it her return in Uncanny?

[Dagger]

Yes mistress. What is your opinion of Dagger's new Dark X-Men uniform? I think it highlights her snooch nicely.
I gagged on it. And not in a good way.

[Bronze Badger]

I gagged on it. And not in a good way.

DeniseXFrost and I believe it allows Cloak to find her G-spot better.

[Dagger]

DeniseXFrost and I believe it allows Cloak to find her G-spot better.
If you need a big X to find the spot, you don't deserve to be down there.

[nightw1ng]

I agree
and how come now they want Betsy in her original body (assuming it is the 616 since she in the floss out fit everyone was bitching about) When CC want to do it her return in Uncanny?
different editors. mike marts was the editor back then. now it's axel alonso/nick lowe.

[Justin K.]

any COLOSSUS in this issue?

Yes
As a translator in Emma's class. He was also by her side when she went unconcious

[Bronze Badger]

If you need a big X to find the spot, you don't deserve to be down there.

Ironically, his X symbol is on his forehead. Read into that.

[peopleofpaper]

I agree
and how come now they want Betsy in her original body (assuming it is the 616 since she in the floss out fit everyone was bitching about) When CC want to do it her return in Uncanny?

I always thought Chris said she'd never really return to her original body because of marketing issues or something about the business of her image. But I could have read that on the internet :)

[Sighphi]

Not going through...... 20 something pages but...... has this book explained why Spiral is there?

Cause she doesnt seem like the type of girl that plays second fiddle to anyone but Mojo.

[Justin K.]

Not going through...... 20 something pages but...... has this book explained why Spiral is there?

Cause she doesnt seem like the type of girl that plays second fiddle to anyone but Mojo.

Maddy made everyone an offer
Spiral was probably offered one too
Beats being with Mojo anyways...

[DeadXMan]

and why the hell didn't Logan hop in the blackbird and haul Ass to Japan the second he found out what happened instead of going up to northstar like a smiling idiot.

now I'm not the an expert, but don't they cremate the dead in Japan and bury the ashes?

why can't land keep women's hair the same ( I know I'm answering my own question, but I need to vent)

this was a poor comic book made even poorer that this is the damn Flag ship for the Francaise


get fraction off now, and put either KY or PAD on

[Affinity]

Loved the issue. Fraction is fun. Land is even more fun.

9/10, and they only lost a point because Land gave Northstar's boyfriend horrible hair.

[Leogam]

So now Northstar & Aurora (so is she cured of Multiple Personalty Dissorder ??)have joined the Uncanny team, but I found it weird they didnt put " Light Projection " in their Power Status

[Justin K.]

Loved the issue. Fraction is fun. Land is even more fun.

9/10, and they only lost a point because Land gave Northstar's boyfriend horrible hair.

Glad I'm not the only one who hates the hair

[pariah-1972]

Lol the Jeezum Crow crack killed me.

Good issue not great but good enough i suppose.

Some Questions

How did they get Psylocke? and why are they resurrecting Kwannon? i guess the latter question will work itself out later.

And I'm glad to see Northstar and his sister back in the X-men where they should be i don't know what took them so long.


I wish Greg Land would work on making all his females more distinct and learn to not shove a female to the front of the page every time especially when it's not needed.

Glad to see where getting back to the Hellfire Cult plotline.

[Nicoclaws]

Ok, that was bad. The only interesting and fun moment was the preview. The art is worst thant what Land usually does. The rotating thing is still a joke (I was hoping the tables would turn. Doesn't seem so, but look, Northtar, yaaay ! -well there's Aurora too, but it's a girl, so we don't care as long as she has boobs - Jp got the new power of changing his hair color ?)

Oh, and why does a telepath need a translator ?

[Justin K.]

Oh, and why does a telepath need a translator ?

Colossus was early for class, she didn't expect him

[DeadXMan]

I wouldn't be surprised if warpath beats Bobby up for dry humping his woman in front of the grounds

[Bronze Badger]

I wouldn't be surprised if warpath beats Bobby up for dry humping his woman in front of the grounds

They could totally concieve a litter of snow leopards.

[Nicoclaws]

I wouldn't be surprised if warpath beats Bobby up for dry humping his woman in front of the grounds

What was the point of this cameo ? Is this the "Iceman will appear"-thing they told us ? I was hoping they would turn the whole cast for this arc, keeping just Emma and Scott but noooo.
(and Wolverine smile is scary)

[longshot3]

Why the heck did Beast imply to Jeffries that he had never been to outer space. Wasn't he JUST THERE in the Breakworld arc?

[Anna]

Well, I recently divorced my wife, but I found out that legally she is still my sister. Did you learn that when your Uncle Grandpa told you? :biggrin:

Lol the Jeezum Crow crack killed me.

Good issue not great but good enough i suppose.

Some Questions

How did they get Psylocke? and why are they resurrecting Kwannon? i guess the latter question will work itself out later.


Perhaps Spiral found her? They didn't resurrect Kwannon, just transferred Betsy's life force back into her original body.

[DeadXMan]

What was the point of this cameo ? Is this the "Iceman will appear"-thing they told us ? I was hoping they would turn the whole cast for this arc, keeping just Emma and Scott but noooo.
(and Wolverine smile is scary)

If Logan is smiling you should running away

he shouldn't even be there after the phone call from Dom
he should be halfway over the Pacific with looking to dish out some pain then realizing mercury, X-23 or Pixie sneaked on board.

if you wanted that scene then you should had in first then get the call from domino and then we would have him and the twins going to Japan.
:mad:

[Nicoclaws]

Why the heck did Beast imply to Jeffries that he had never been to outer space. Wasn't he JUST THERE in the Breakworld arc?

"Continuity ? I don't care as long as I can make a -bad- joke" (Fraction)

Why does the new X-base have these old lift I saw when I was ten ?

[DeadXMan]

"Continuity ? I don't care as long as I can make a -bad- joke" (Fraction)

Why does the new X-base have these old lift I saw when I was ten ?

cause Land is a tracer. Seriously I just counted five prono shots, liquor ad, and stills from the Domino movie

[4sake]

Why the heck did Beast imply to Jeffries that he had never been to outer space. Wasn't he JUST THERE in the Breakworld arc?

I think he said that because while he was in outer space he wasn't look for a cure rto m-day because he was to busy trying not to died & beat ord & etc. But while he was in all the other places he named he was doing just that (looking for a cure/fix for m-day).. he didn't get get to when he was in space.

[DeadXMan]

you mean the same aliens that found a way to undo the x-gene

you maybe he could reverse engineer it
or perhaps gets Forges reactivating mutant powers gun he built to restore Storm's Powers

or go to a steal some of the mist from quicksilver when he had his clinic in x-factor....

[pariah-1972]

Did you learn that when your Uncle Grandpa told you? :biggrin:


Perhaps Spiral found her? They didn't resurrect Kwannon, just transferred Betsy's life force back into her original body.It doesn't make much sense either way for them to do that cause both Kwannon and Betsy are loyal X-men.

[DeadXMan]

It doesn't make much sense either way for them to do that cause both Kwannon and Betsy are loyal X-men.

can you say mind control


and if that's the case
I'll be looking for post of certain people that complained in the past when a far better x-writer used it for his stories. to see if they will hold Matt to the same levels.

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp31/McCoolRules69/mickie25.gif

[pariah-1972]

can you say mind control


and if that's the case
I'll be looking for post of certain people that complained in the past when a far better x-writer used it for his stories. to see if they will hold Matt to the same levels.

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp31/McCoolRules69/mickie25.gifBut why go thru all that trouble of changing where her mind is if they are just going to mind control her/

[DrDoom616]

So will Betsy finally get her original body back in this issue?

[DeadXMan]

looks like a besty since she not wearing her exile outfit

and don't you think you'll see a sabertooth sage and company going to rescue her?

and if some actually bothered to write a story here
they arrive at the grave site (tracing sprials portal) just as Logan got there seeing creed we all know what's next.

[DeadXMan]

But why go thru all that trouble of changing where her mind is if they are just going to mind control her/

I don't know. so far DC amazon attacks makes more sense then the last nine issues of uncanny.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

looks like a besty since she not wearing her exile outfit

and don't you think you'll see a sabertooth sage and company going to rescue her?

I thin that the likelihood of any other writer even acknowledging what happened in New eXiles, let alone the finer details, is pretty low.

This looks like real Betsy, here.

[DeadXMan]

so they are gonna to ignore the continuity of the character and not ne of the naysayers of CC's work is going to be raising a fuss.

Freaking hypocrites:rolleyes:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

so they are gonna to ignore the continuity of the character and not ne of the naysayers of CC's work is going to be raising a fuss.

Freaking hypocrites:rolleyes:

I can forgive a costume error. And eXiles go missing all the time, anyway. It's not like the New eXiles team haven't already been replaced.

[ExodusCloak]

so they are gonna to ignore the continuity of the character and not ne of the naysayers of CC's work is going to be raising a fuss.

Freaking hypocrites:rolleyes:

Spiral kidnapped her then forced her to wear her old costume and some metal bondage contraption.

Sage is a Goddess and has more important things to worry about and is above saving that cow much like she didn't physically intervine when Betsy was getting her butt handed to her by the Slaymaster. And Spiral probably killed Sabertooth.

[DrDoom616]

The less said about New Exiles, the better :evilsmile:

[DeadXMan]

it's not about New exiles it's about staying consistent on complaints

so let's review:

S&M theme
ignoring recent continuity of another writer
mind control elements


and you people are prising the writer?

if CC was writing this you all be going ape shit on how he can't write but the same crap over and over again.

[ExodusCloak]

Edit.......

[ExodusCloak]

so let's review:

S&M theme
ignoring recent continuity of another writer
mind control elements


and you people are prising the writer?


And yet while not perfect Fractions dialogue is still superior to Claremonts.

BTW what I pretty much got from the last sentence on the last page is that Maddie transferred Betsy's mind into her old body and she has amnesia (Doesn't remember anything that's happened since the body swap). Don't think it's mind control since we have a Jean look a like there.

[timbox]

LOL you don't want to hang with me. You're always "busy" on MSN. :frown:

What the hell, Hi-Fi?

[darknessatnoon]

Loved the issue. Fraction is fun. Land is even more fun.

9/10, and they only lost a point because Land gave Northstar's boyfriend horrible hair.

9/10

You need to take some remedial math classes in college because there's no way on earth this issue gets more than a 2/10 (which fraction translated to 1/5).

[DeadXMan]

And yet while not perfect Fractions dialogue is still superior to Claremonts.

BTW what I pretty much got from the last sentence on the last page is that Maddie transferred Betsy's mind into her old body and she has amnesia (Doesn't remember anything that's happened since the body swap).


"we canadians got to stick together"

"what about outter space?"


WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHAT?! *skint*

oh yes, soooo superior.....

[DeadXMan]

9/10

You need to take some remedial math classes in college because there's no way on earth this issue gets more than a 2/10 (which fraction translated to 1/5).

that's being generious, Darkness

and thank you for being consistent

[Nicoclaws]

And don't forget the last lines... almost as orrendous as some other poster said.

But according to Fraction, X-men is about "fun". (I'm way too old for this)

[garyfoo182]

I for one do not agree at all with all the Fraction-bashing that seems to be going on. I'm really enjoying Uncanny X-Men and have been since #500. I think it's great having all these cameos and the stories are actually interesting. At least we don't have six issues for EVERY story anymore ust to fill TPB's.

I haven't actually felt this excited about the next issue each time in a long time.

Gary

[timbox]

You do not get amnesia from having your mind instantly transferred to another body. Psylocke is dead; she was sacrificed to bring back Kwannon.

It was perfectly obvious.

For what reason would the Sisterhood care about which body Psylocke was using? Spiral has no need for the bionic eye cameras; they're standing right next to each other.

[DeadXMan]

And don't forget the last lines... almost as orrendous as some other poster said.

But according to Fraction, X-men is about "fun". (I'm way too old for this)


Oh dear sweet Kirby, No!
Fraction ideas of fun and Land's "drawings":eek:

I think tey might have to move uncanny to the Max line.

[Home made ectoplasm]

For what reason would the Sisterhood care about which body Psylocke was using?

This is the question everybody who believes it is Psylocke rather than Revanche needs to ask themselves.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

You do not get amnesia from having your mind instantly transferred to another body. Psylocke is dead; she was sacrificed to bring back Kwannon.

It was perfectly obvious.

That's practically impossible, though. Kwannon is dead. Long dead. Long dead with her soul dispersed and never stored anywhere else. Why exactly would you be able to remove Kwannon's dead and absent soul from the body Jamie constructed for Psylocke? The only thing inside that body was Besty.

The claim that this is somehow Kwannon just doesn't make any sense at all.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

This is the question everybody who believes it is Psylocke rather than Revanche needs to ask themselves.

Because they wanted a precog whose psi powers were not quite so strong that they couldn't be maipulated?

Because they wanted somebody who could gain access to the Hellfire Club?

Because Fraction thought it might be cool?

[DrDoom616]

I like this run a lot more than X-Men Legacy nuff said

[Nicoclaws]

[QUOTE=garyfoo182;8778144]I the stories are actually interesting. At least we don't have six issues for EVERY story anymore ust to fill TPB's./QUOTE]

Did you read Lovelorn ?

[timbox]

That's practically impossible, though. Kwannon is dead. Long dead. Long dead with her soul dispersed and never stored anywhere else. Why exactly would you be able to remove Kwannon's dead and absent soul from the body Jamie constructed for Psylocke? The only thing inside that body was Besty.

The claim that this is somehow Kwannon just doesn't make any sense at all.

As far as I know, it's practically impossible to transfer the mind of someone into another body, as well. I see you side with the Science Club with your disbelief in magic.

[DeadXMan]

could it be Kwannon from a different dimention

[Home made ectoplasm]

Because they wanted a precog whose psi powers were not quite so strong that they couldn't be maipulated?

They're villains, not comic book fans, they're hardly going to be able to keep track of Betsy's convoluted power swaps

Because they wanted somebody who could gain access to the Hellfire Club?

They are telepaths and illusionists, that wouldn't be a problem for them

Because Fraction thought it might be cool?

That could be it...

[Pro]

The claim that this is somehow Kwannon just doesn't make any sense at all.

When has that ever stopped writers?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

As far as I know, it's practically impossible to transfer the mind of someone into another body, as well. I see you side with the Science Club with your disbelief in magic.

Nope. I'm just saying that it goes against previously established rules. Body swaps have happened. But without a body the mind is dead. Kwannon's mind IS dead. Long dead.

No mind. No swap.

Jamie Braddock snagged his sister's mind much earlier and crafted her into a new body. Dubious though that may be.

There is no Kwannon in this scene. If she was you'd see a body with her mind in it. You don't. You see a body with Betsy's mind in it. The body created for her by Jamie could not have been manipulated. Putting her into her original body she can be manipulated. There's logic enough.

[DeadXMan]

They are telepaths and illusionists, that wouldn't be a problem for them


and two of the sisterhood members are the daughters of a member of the inner circle so they have acess to the hell fire club and wasn't maddie the black queen at one time?

[darknessatnoon]

Nope. I'm just saying that it goes against previously established rules. Body swaps have happened. But without a body the mind is dead. Kwannon's mind IS dead. Long dead.

No mind. No swap.

Jamie Braddock snagged his sister's mind much earlier and crafted her into a new body. Dubious though that may be.

There is no Kwannon in this scene. If she was you'd see a body with her mind in it. You don't. You see a body with Betsy's mind in it. The body created for her by Jamie could not have been manipulated. Putting her into her original body she can be manipulated. There's logic enough.

She was manipulated by Ogun when Claremont was writing her. Claremont was the one who made the rule that she can't be manipulated in that body and was the only one who cared about that rule in the first place. Your logic is denied.

[Pro]

But without a body the mind is dead. Kwannon's mind IS dead. Long dead.

Last I checked the brain is part of the body. Neural pathways hold our thoughts. There is no biological reason why the brain can't be reactivated if the body is reconstructed exactly the way it used to be. What you're talking about is the soul.

[darknessatnoon]

Last I checked the brain is part of the body. Neural pathways hold our thoughts. There is no biological reason why the brain can't be reactivated if the body is reconstructed exactly the way it used to be. What you're talking about is the soul.

Souls don't exist.

[DeadXMan]

She was manipulated by Ogun when Claremont was writing her. Claremont was the one who made the rule that she can't be manipulated in that body and was the only one who cared about that rule in the first place. Your logic is denied.

wasn' it the lady manderian that took her body and then was controled by Ogun?

[timbox]

wasn' it the lady manderian that took her body and then was controled by Ogun?

We already established that no one cares.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Last I checked the brain is part of the body. Neural pathways hold our thoughts. There is no biological reason why the brain can't be reactivated if the body is reconstructed exactly the way it used to be. What you're talking about is the soul.

If it's Revanche's body reconstructed exactly the way it used to be it stands to reason it's her mind too. They even ask Revanche how she likes her new body. I understand Betsy fans grasping at straws, but the idea that she has been magically put back in a differnt body is nonsensical and against established Canon.

[darknessatnoon]

wasn' it the lady manderian that took her body and then was controled by Ogun?

It was unclear. But I am glad to find another scholar of New Exiles in this discussion. Greetings DeadXman.

[DeadXMan]

Souls don't exist.

Reed prove there were souls in waid's final run

[Pro]

If it's Revanche's body reconstructed exactly the way it used to be it stands to reason it's her mind too. They even ask Revanche how she likes her new body. I understand Betsy fans grasping at straws, but the idea that she has been magically put back in a differnt body is nonsensical and against established Canon.

*shrugs*

Frankly I don't really care much either way. The book's shit and I'm not buying it anymore anyway.

[darknessatnoon]

Reed prove there were souls in waid's final run

Interesting. Do you know which issue?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

She was manipulated by Ogun when Claremont was writing her. Claremont was the one who made the rule that she can't be manipulated in that body and was the only one who cared about that rule in the first place. Your logic is denied.

Not the same body. That one was killed by Vargas.

The body Psylocke has been in since her return resembles that body, but is in fact something wholly different. Read the issue of Uncanny where Jamie explains how he wrapped reality strands together to create her a body, and make it tamper proof. He literally created that form from scratch. It's not the same body she died in.

Last I checked the brain is part of the body. Neural pathways hold our thoughts. There is no biological reason why the brain can't be reactivated if the body is reconstructed exactly the way it used to be. What you're talking about is the soul.

Then let's call it a soul, then. Because that is very clearly the essence which Jamie was talking about in Uncanny.

[ExodusCloak]

You do not get amnesia from having your mind instantly transferred to another body. Psylocke is dead; she was sacrificed to bring back Kwannon.

It was perfectly obvious.

For what reason would the Sisterhood care about which body Psylocke was using? Spiral has no need for the bionic eye cameras; they're standing right next to each other.

Didn't say it made sense, but why would Maddie say in your new body if it was Kwannon?

In any event the whole point was to locate telepaths for their grand finale...Betsy had TK they needed another telepath. If Kwannons body was just a husk then they transferred Betsy back to her old body so that she'd have her telepathy back cause Maddie needs more telepaths.

[darknessatnoon]

Not the same body. That one was killed by Vargas.

The body Psylocke has been in since her return resembles that body, but is in fact something wholly different. Read the issue of Uncanny where Jamie explains how he wrapped reality strands together to create her a body, and make it tamper proof. He literally created that form from scratch. It's not the same body she died in.



Ogun manipulated her after she was brought back by Jaime. I don't know what you are talking about.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Didn't say it made sense, but why would Maddie say in your new body if it was Kwannon?

Because her old body was a corpse

[DeadXMan]

Interesting. Do you know which issue?

I think it was #509 after Doom made Reed kill Ben.

the TPB was titled hereafter

[ExodusCloak]

Because her old body was a corpse

Hmm makes sense I guess.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Hmm makes sense I guess.

More sense than it being Betsy, who, according to established canon is immune to all forms of magic.

[Azure]

Psylocke was brought back to life by her brother, right? And she was not in the same body, but a cloned variant version?

So, seeing how clones don't have souls and all, Psylocke now has no soul. This is why X-23 liked her - it was a kinship between the soulless.

Why is everyone focusing on Psylocke, anyway? The highlight of this issue was the Russian Prostitutes. They're the most compelling characters in this series at the moment, and certainly won't all be killed off at some point in future. I also think Jubilee is living amongst them, but nobody has recognised her yet.

[ExodusCloak]

More sense than it being Betsy, who, according to established canon is immune to all forms of magic.

I thought she was only immune to telepathy and reality warping.

[Home made ectoplasm]

I thought she was only immune to telepathy and reality warping.

Well, I'm not an expert, I'll let TSID explain:

Read the issue of Uncanny where Jamie explains how he wrapped reality strands together to create her a body, and make it tamper proof. He literally created that form from scratch.

[DeadXMan]

Psylocke was brought back to life by her brother, right? And she was not in the same body, but a cloned variant version?

So, seeing how clones don't have souls and all, Psylocke now has no soul. This is why X-23 liked her - it was a kinship between the soulless.

Why is everyone focusing on Psylocke, anyway? The highlight of this issue was the Russian Prostitutes. They're the most compelling characters in this series at the moment, and certainly won't all be killed off at some point in future. I also think Jubilee is living amongst them, but nobody has recognized her yet.

no in x-treme when Betsy was giving her final goodbye to bishop in the astral plane something grab her soul. Originally it was spoused to bog (sp the guy that gave sage her tattoos) and she would be brought back in prisoner of fire arc as white. but the dead means dead rule was in effect.

when they did give her return the ok CC had Jammie to be the one to recreate her body in to perfection and tweaked her body and mind so magic and telepathy couldn't effect her.

but reality warping could (since Hom was around this time) and physical attacks

and it should be note spiral's Jean bomb did not work on her

so what just happen is a vary big continuity error if that s the 616 Betsy

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Ogun manipulated her after she was brought back by Jaime. I don't know what you are talking about.

Was this an AU Ogun, in New eXiles?

If that were the case, of course, it would prove that it was not as tamper proof as Jamie thought. Perhaps supporting the idea that it could be tampered with her.

Psylocke was brought back to life by her brother, right? And she was not in the same body, but a cloned variant version?

A construct body. We assume it was biologically human. It appeared to be, and was modelled on Kwannon's body.

So, seeing how clones don't have souls and all, Psylocke now has no soul. This is why X-23 liked her - it was a kinship between the soulless.

Um, no. It was a body created to house Psylocke's soul, which Jamie had gathered and placed in this new form.

Why is everyone focusing on Psylocke, anyway? The highlight of this issue was the Russian Prostitutes. They're the most compelling characters in this series at the moment, and certainly won't all be killed off at some point in future. I also think Jubilee is living amongst them, but nobody has recognised her yet.

Harsh.

[Rubicant]

I thought she was only immune to telepathy and reality warping.

Magic is just one of several means of reality warping. High-level psionics, artifacts designed for that purpose (e.g. Infinity Gauntlet, cosmic cubes, Heart of the Universe), and the Power Cosmic would be other examples. When Mojo attacked her after her resurrection, he found that certain spells he tried to cast didn't work on her, specifically the X-Baby one.

[tlp0708]

You know, I immediately thought that it wasn't 616 Betsy. When was the last time she wore that buttfloss Jim Lee outfit?

Am I the only one with this suspicion? Isn't that Asian Betsy on the cover of 512 (?) with the science team?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

You know, I immediately thought that it wasn't 616 Betsy. When was the last time she wore that buttfloss Jim Lee outfit?

Remember who drew this issue? Do you really think costumes matter to him...? :biggrin:

Am I the only one with this suspicion? Isn't that Asian Betsy on the cover of 512 (?) with the science team?

Who knows? Is that the sepia steam-punky cover?

[Deus ex Chris]

Nope. I'm just saying that it goes against previously established rules. Body swaps have happened. But without a body the mind is dead. Kwannon's mind IS dead. Long dead.
We've seen psychics exist without bodies before, as well as piggyback in other bodies. There's nothing to say that can't have happened with Kwannon, but I'd certainly prefer it didn't.

[jarrod]

It doesn't matter in the end, if it's Besty's mind in her original body OR Revanche revived. We ALL know Betsy's going to be alive and well, in asian body, and join the X-Club for some timetravel vacationing. Nothing ever really changes. :/


I guess it's better than being the giant crystal palace on Jean's vulva.

[the Hornet]

Well actually in her first appearance in New Exiles, she said this is the time she missed them. When she was in the middle of no where, but I was talking about her original body. I mean it is her body, the one she was born with. Why would she not want it???


You may be right but wasn't Betsy initially happy with her new Asian and skills when she first got it around the time of the X-Tiction Agenda storyline. Of course, back then she did not know she is in a new body till Kwannon showed up. Still prefer that over the body swap. I truly hope that Betsy retains her martial arts and does not just become another TP again.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It doesn't matter in the end, if it's Besty's mind in her original body OR Revanche revived. We ALL know Betsy's going to be alive and well, in asian body, and join the X-Club for some timetravel vacationing. Nothing ever really changes. :/


I guess it's better than being the giant crystal palace on Jean's vulva.

What an enduring image. :biggrin:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

You may be right but wasn't Betsy initially happy with her new Asian and skills when she first got it around the time of the X-Tiction Agenda storyline. Of course, back then she did not know she is in a new body till Kwannon showed up. Still prefer that over the body swap. I truly hope that Betsy retains her martial arts and does not just become another TP again.

Fighting discipline should be something which would be kept. She may have to train quite a bit to get back up to the same physical peak in her real body, but you wouldn't just forget moves and technique.

[jarrod]

Betsy had come to terms emotionally with her asian body, it's really how she saw herself in the end. That why when Jamie "remade" her, he made her 3rd body look asian again.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Betsy had come to terms emotionally with her asian body, it's really how she saw herself in the end. That why when Jamie "remade" her, he made her 3rd body look asian again.

And because he felt that it was form best suited 'for the threat to come' or whatever. At the time it appeared that was The First Fallen, but that plot was dropped pretty damn quickly...

[timbox]

I would like to see these Russian prostitutes teach Emma a thing or two.

[worstblogever]

Why the heck did Beast imply to Jeffries that he had never been to outer space. Wasn't he JUST THERE in the Breakworld arc?

Not to mention when he was on an X-Team that defeated the Phalanx in the heart of the Shi'ar Empire back in like Uncanny #347.

[jarrod]

And because he felt that it was form best suited 'for the threat to come' or whatever. At the time it appeared that was The First Fallen, but that plot was dropped pretty damn quickly...
I blame Bedard for mucking that one up.


I didn't know The First Fallen was a rice queen? :P

[Home made ectoplasm]

Why the heck did Beast imply to Jeffries that he had never been to outer space. Wasn't he JUST THERE in the Breakworld arc?

Not to mention when he was on an X-Team that defeated the Phalanx in the heart of the Shi'ar Empire back in like Uncanny #347.

I took it to mean that he hadn't been to space in his search for a way to revert M Day, rather than that he had never been in space at all.

[timbox]

Beast did not research the M-day cure in outer space. I think that was the point of the comment.

[Deus ex Chris]

I took it to mean that he hadn't been to space in his search for a way to revert M Day, rather than that he had never been in space at all.

That was my interpretation as well.

[Home made ectoplasm]

That was my interpretation as well.

Thanks Christopher. I'm always happy to help with Beast related matters.

[worstblogever]

Not going through...... 20 something pages but...... has this book explained why Spiral is there?

Cause she doesnt seem like the type of girl that plays second fiddle to anyone but Mojo.

Same mysterious reason why she was an underling of Mystique in Freedom Force back in the day, I suppose.

[worstblogever]

Beast did not research the M-day cure in outer space. I think that was the point of the comment.

Shame. If he talked to Xavier, he could've learned that baptising mutants in the M'Kraan crystal brings their powers back. Just get it on loan from the Shi'ar after you help the Inhumans win the war against them. Crisis over.

[jarrod]

Same mysterious reason why she was an underling of Mystique in Freedom Force back in the day, I suppose.
Mojo wants it? He ordered her to follow Longshot and join FF I thought?

Maybe Mojo wanted her in the Sisterhood to bring British Betsy back for him? Is Maddie a stooge?

[worstblogever]

Mojo wants it? He ordered her to follow Longshot and join FF I thought?

Maybe Mojo wanted her in the Sisterhood to bring British Betsy back for him? Is Maddie a stooge?

Let's be honest, if Maddie was any more of a stooge, she'd look like Larry Fine in S&M gear.

[Cruelly_Innocent]

not to bash Land but...isn't Kavita traced from the actress who played Kavita in X-men 3?

[AcesX1X]

who cares. kavita is not the next sage, no matter how hard certain people try to make her out to be.

[jarrod]

who cares. kavita is not the next sage, no matter how hard certain people try to make her out to be.
She's better than that. She's the next Moira! <3 <3

[AcesX1X]

She's better than that. She's the next Moira! <3 <3

get back in your cage.

[jarrod]

I hope Kavita shows up in X-Men Corrections. We need to have the definitive Indian accent laid down for Fraction...

[worstblogever]

They'll keep Dr. Rao around long enough to return Thunderbird III and Omega Sentinel so they can all lead the Marin Base in a big Bollywood song and dance number.

[psycwave]

Kavita Rao Vs. Sage Vs Moira!

Who wins?

[jarrod]

Kavita Rao Vs. Sage Vs Moira!

Who wins?
Moira's naggy/horny ghost.

I'm still waiting for her ectoplasmic highlands ass to show up in MI13....

[psycwave]

Moira's naggy/horny ghost.

I'm still waiting for her ectoplasmic highlands ass to show up in MI13....

Moira is a horny/naggy gun totting maid ghost.
Sage is a god/crystal palace with a spy background.
Kavita has a white jacket.
It will be a showdown for the ages.

[AcesX1X]

this slander has to stop this instant.

[darknessatnoon]

Kavita Rao Vs. Sage Vs Moira!

Who wins?

The real question is what do Spiral and Deathstrike have planned for the Red Queen?

[jarrod]

The real question is what do Spiral and Deathstrike have planned for the Red Queen?
Fisting?











































*wordz*

[Nicoclaws]

They'll keep Dr. Rao around long enough to return Thunderbird III and Omega Sentinel so they can all lead the Marin Base in a big Bollywood song and dance number.

That would be more fun than anything Fraction can come up with. Make that happen.

[Firebaton]

Wouldn't Maddie just want Betsy in her original body because that is what she is familiar with from the Outback days? I mean she never met asian Betsy that I can recall. It might be a "precious moments" moment.
Also did Land always trace? His Birds of Prey work was MUCH better than this.

[Dagger]

Fisting?
lololololol

[Omega Alpha]

it's not about New exiles it's about staying consistent on complaints

so let's review:

S&M theme
ignoring recent continuity of another writer
mind control elements


and you people are prising the writer?

if CC was writing this you all be going ape shit on how he can't write but the same crap over and over again.

Well, I can't talk about the others, but I am not praising this shit at all. Those last two issues were almost as bad as most of Claremont's worst stuff; and I say almost because there's no Dino Rachel or something similar.