Went to the comic store for the first time in 15 years!!!

[mattmanbass]

A new comic store opened up near my house, made me break out all my old comics and i remembered how much i loved ready all my x-men and uncanny x-men storys, i read all kinds of comics including dc but the x-men were by far my favorite.

As i was looking through the various back issues of the years that ive missed, i was totally blown away by all the different spin offs and changes made to the marval universe, so many new books id never seen, but what really blew me away, what really turned me off was how the artwork seems to have changed dramatically from what i remember, i even ran across an uncanny x-men that looked like the characters on the new teen titans tv show!!! fucking disgusting!!

What i would like to know is which series have stayed true to the traditional artwork and which books and series are worth picking up and getting back into


sorry for the long first post

[$5 Milkshake]

What is "traditional artowrk"? Is that code for boring?

[Home made ectoplasm]

X Men Forever, new Chris Claremont comic out soon. The premise is it follows directly on from X Men 3 when CC stopped writing the X Men. It's gonna be great.

[Pixie_Solanas]

What is "traditional artowrk"? Is that code for boring?

sounds like a continuity wonk-fascist.

[Pixie_Solanas]

X Men Forever, new Chris Claremont comic out soon. The premise is it follows directly on from X Men 3 when CC stopped writing the X Men. It's gonna be great.

I've already pre-ordered 40 copies and will be distributing to elementary school children.

[Prodigy55]

I've already pre-ordered 40 copies and will be distributing to elementary school children.

Is that legal?

[drwho]

If you do not want to buy back issues I would suggest you go to some type of summary page so that you can get a relatively good idea about what is going on in the xuniverse these days. Things have changed a lot and not all for the better. A lot of bad ideas and bad creators have been working on the xbooks for the past 9 yrs which is probably why Avengers outsells them. Marvel has gotten lazy with the books as a line in my opinion. For me I dont dare touch an x book until i can hear some opinions about the story and then I buy the trade paperback. There is a lack of consistency.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

X Men Forever, new Chris Claremont comic out soon. The premise is it follows directly on from X Men 3 when CC stopped writing the X Men. It's gonna be great.

You shouldn't lie to new posters

[Pixie_Solanas]

Is that legal?

It's god's work. I transcend legalities.

[mattmanbass]

hmmm, no not boring, realistic i guess would be the word, i personally found nothing boring about it? am i in the minority? do people actually prefer the more cartoony x-men? i wasnt trying to insult anybody and i see i might have come off rude so i apologize. Is there anyone out there that feels the way i do?

[Mormel]

Yes, there was a thread about this in the Marvel Universe forum. The art has simply evolved. When I was a kid, I preferred reading Marvel comics from the '70s and early '80s, because I didn't always like how the art looked in contemporary comics. Too gritty, perhaps even too realistic sometimes. There are still artists who draw the comic books in a more traditional style, you just need to find them and be lucky if the book you want to read happens to have art in the flavour you prefer.

EDIT: I now see that you actually like your art realistic. I haven't seen a lot of cartoony-looking X-Men art in any previews or scans lately, the trend seems to lean toward the realistic.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

hmmm, no not boring, realistic i guess would be the word, i personally found nothing boring about it? am i in the minority? do people actually prefer the more cartoony x-men? i wasnt trying to insult anybody and i see i might have come off rude so i apologize. Is there anyone out there that feels the way i do?

You just have to see what artists you prefer. There are a lot of different artists out there with varying styles. If you like realism, then maybe greg land... Though thats a certain sort of realism.

[timbox]

The art now is much better than it was in the olden days. Perhaps you need a new prescription for your bifocals.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Greg Land is realistic and not cartoony

[mattmanbass]

X Men Forever, new Chris Claremont comic out soon. The premise is it follows directly on from X Men 3 when CC stopped writing the X Men. It's gonna be great.

that sounds awesome, the 1991 series (the first 3 books were my first x-men comics) was my favorite back in the day, im definatly gonna check that out

[Pixie_Solanas]

that sounds awesome, the 1991 series (the first 3 books were my first x-men comics) was my favorite back in the day, im definatly gonna check that out

Order early and often.

[Nevets F]

I think we would need to see what type of artist you like, because "traditional" is relative.

Do you remember an artist you liked? Do you remember an issue specifically, that had an artist you liked?

[mattmanbass]

The art now is much better than it was in the olden days. Perhaps you need a new prescription for your bifocals.

lol im 26, listen im not saying its bad and nobody should like it, i just couldnt believe they did it to the uncanny x-men! just seems a little crazy to me, x-treme xmen i can understand new series new artwork, i actually think they look very cool, but the manga-ish xmen just seems wrong, but i understand alot of people probably love manga (ie full metal alchemist sucess)

[Prodigy55]

Can we start an X-Men: Forever club?

[Pixie_Solanas]

Something about the lad makes me think he was a Joe Mad fan.

[AcesX1X]

I think we would need to see what type of artist you like, because "traditional" is relative.

Do you remember an artist you liked? Do you remember an issue specifically, that had an artist you liked?

steven f. i did not know you were such a lila cheney fan.

[mattmanbass]

I think we would need to see what type of artist you like, because "traditional" is relative.

Do you remember an artist you liked? Do you remember an issue specifically, that had an artist you liked?

well i like the 1991 xmen series alot, also the xmen 2099 series, i know it wasnt very popular but i dug it, also alot of the older uncanny xmen from the 80's and early 90's, i liked xmen unlimited although it was different it was cool, theres just so much going on now, i also saw a wolverine comic where wolverine was old, that looked cool, anyone know what im talking about?

[Nevets F]

steven f. i did not know you were such a lila cheney fan.

...wha? *confused*

[Pixie_Solanas]

...wha? *confused*

I think that's Purple Girl from the Mantlo AF run. Does look like a diseased (moreso than usual) Miss Cheney.

[mattmanbass]

Something about the lad makes me think he was a Joe Mad fan.

never heard of joe mad, should i have?

[timbox]

well i like the 1991 xmen series alot, also the xmen 2099 series, i know it wasnt very popular but i dug it, also alot of the older uncanny xmen from the 80's and early 90's, i liked xmen unlimited although it was different it was cool, theres just so much going on now, i also saw a wolverine comic where wolverine was old, that looked cool, anyone know what im talking about?

Is it the coloring or the pencils? Olden day comics had really bland, washed-out colors. In the digital age, we use computers.

[mattmanbass]

i also must say how impressed i am with this forum already, its great to know theres people who share my love of comics out there! none of my friends get it lol

[timbox]

i also must say how impressed i am with this forum already, its great to know theres people who share my love of comics out there! none of my friends get it lol

Stop sucking up.

[Nevets F]

well i like the 1991 xmen series alot, also the xmen 2099 series, i know it wasnt very popular but i dug it, also alot of the older uncanny xmen from the 80's and early 90's, i liked xmen unlimited although it was different it was cool, theres just so much going on now, i also saw a wolverine comic where wolverine was old, that looked cool, anyone know what im talking about?

X-Men 2099 had Ron Lim art...which happens to be my favorite artist. :)

So I see the type of artists you like, the same as me really. Some people like Chris Bachalo, which truly makes me want to throw up, and I did not like Kia's art on Uncanny, when they looked manga-ish.

Those types of artists are still out there, they just aren't the "in" thing right now, so they are harder to find, and usually on lesser selling books. The mainstream books have the high profile artists that are popular right now.

And you are talking about Wolverine in the Old Man Logan story arc.

[Nevets F]

I think that's Purple Girl from the Mantlo AF run. Does look like a diseased (moreso than usual) Miss Cheney.

OH! haha, yes it is Purple Girl. I am randomly changing my avatar to reflect the Alpha Flight from the Beginning thread...the quality of the avatars aren't great right now, haha, but it works.

[mattmanbass]

Is it the coloring or the pencils? Olden day comics had really bland, washed-out colors. In the digital age, we use computers.

maybe that is it i dont know, i just wasnt prepared for the new styles there are, just took me a little off guard, i also like continuaty in comics, are all the xmen continuos nowadays? or are there random stories in each book?

[Nevets F]

maybe that is it i dont know, i just wasnt prepared for the new styles there are, just took me a little off guard, i also like continuaty in comics, are all the xmen continuos nowadays? or are there random stories in each book?

All of them are still in continuity.

[mattmanbass]

Stop sucking up.

ok i exclude you from that statement

[Pixie_Solanas]

Stop sucking up.

He needs to genuflect more to our vast collective knowledge.

[timbox]

All of them are still in continuity.

For the most part.

Chris Yost is the writer you want. Get X-Force.

[timbox]

ok i exclude you from that statement

The statement most applied to me. Now it's just rubbish.

[Nevets F]

ok i exclude you from that statement

TIMBOX takes some getting used to. For the most part, ignore it until you are more comfortable.


For the most part.

Chris Yost is the writer you want. Get X-Force.

This part you can listen to TIMBOX on.

[Seres]

ok i exclude you from that statement

timbox can be a real pain sometimes.

Peter David is the writer you want. Get X-Factor.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

X-Men 2099 had Ron Lim art...which happens to be my favorite artist. :)

So I see the type of artists you like, the same as me really. Some people like Chris Bachalo, which truly makes me want to throw up, and I did not like Kia's art on Uncanny, when they looked manga-ish.

Those types of artists are still out there, they just aren't the "in" thing right now, so they are harder to find, and usually on lesser selling books. The mainstream books have the high profile artists that are popular right now.

And you are talking about Wolverine in the Old Man Logan story arc.

Why would you say such a horrible thing. :frown:

[jarrod]

Allred art makes me feel good.

[Prodigy55]

If you don't like Bachalo you can't be my friend anymore Steven.

:(

[timbox]

TIMBOX takes some getting used to. For the most part, ignore it until you are more comfortable.



timbox can be a real pain sometimes.


They are intimidated by my blunt honesty. Just be happy I got to you before the sexual deviants did.

[Nevets F]

Why would you say such a horrible thing. :frown:

Sorry, I just can't stand his art. His best work was on X-Men Unlimited #1...before the frogs and hard to decipher art.


Allred art makes me feel good.

Mike Allred? That's also gross.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Allred art is so pretty it hurts. Sort of like Timbox.

[Nevets F]

If you don't like Bachalo you can't be my friend anymore Steven.

:(

okie dokie.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Some people like Chris Bachalo, which truly makes me want to throw up,

:eek: I feel I don't know you anymore...

[Nevets F]

:eek: I feel I don't know you anymore...

Sorry, I just prefer to look at art that makes sense.

[mattmanbass]

The statement most applied to me. Now it's just rubbish.

ok you win, but your now my go to guy for all my stupid questions :eek:

[Pixie_Solanas]

Bachalo is one of the few artists I will buy anything from, script-irrelevant.

Plus, he drew one of my favorite x-men issues ever, New X-Men #142 by Morrison. The one where Cyke and Wolverine enjoy a beer or two at the Hellfire Club.

[Seres]

ok you win, but your now my go to guy for all my stupid questions :eek:

You are making a terrible mistake.

Oh well. Let's all bond over our mutual love of Humberto Ramos!

[timbox]

Bachalo is one of the few artists I will buy anything from, script-irrelevant.

Even more impressive: footwear-irrelevant.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Even more impressive: footwear-irrelevant.

The man has extreme difficulty with proper footwear, granted.

He did give Generation X heeled boots for their unis, though. Fashion x 1000.

[Nevets F]

Oh well. Let's all bond over our mutual love of Humberto Ramos!

You know, oddly, I do enjoy his art.

[Pixie_Solanas]

You are making a terrible mistake.

Oh well. Let's all bond over our mutual love of Humberto Ramos!

My Supernovas hardcover is tainted by Ramos felching.

[jarrod]

Steven, you are breaking my heart. :(

[Home made ectoplasm]

You know, oddly, I do enjoy his art.

you sick freak

[Seres]

You know, oddly, I do enjoy his art.

It is rewarding! Everytime you look at it you see something new. He is king of angles and Lord Of Art.


My Supernovas hardcover is tainted by Ramos felching.

Wait. Are you using felching in the negative sense? So you don't even like Pixie or Humberto Ramos at all?

[mattmanbass]

Old man Logan story arc you say? I saw that on the rack at the store and i thought what a great idea, if ever there was a superhero that i could see as a grisley old bastard it would be wolverine, i will definatly be getting this one

[Nevets F]

you sick freak

I don't love it, but do enjoy it sometimes. The reason I put "oddly" is because he really isn't the type of artist I would normally like.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Wait. Are you using felching in the negative sense? So you don't even like Pixie or Humberto Ramos at all?

Depends on context. And swimwear.

[timbox]

You are making a terrible mistake.


I think we should take this discussion off-line.

[Bronze Badger]

I think we should take this discussion off-line.

I worry that Seres may be the victim of domestic abuse.

[Home made ectoplasm]

I don't love it, but do enjoy it sometimes. The reason I put "oddly" is because he really isn't the type of artist I would normally like.

He is like a less good Bachalo.

[Seres]

I think we should take this discussion off-line.

I'll talk to you once I get home from work, honey.


I worry that Seres may be the victim of domestic abuse.

I enjoy it. timbox needs to be creative from time to time, and I am a willing canvas. That last sentence of mine was messed up, wasn't it?

[jarrod]

That last sentence of mine was messed up, wasn't it?
I'll get you a towel.

[timbox]

I enjoy it. timbox needs to be creative from time to time, and I am a willing canvas.

Such beautiful poetry.

[Seres]

I'll get you a towel.

Make sure it isn't previously stained, sweetie,

[Prodigy55]

Ramos art is disgusting.

[timbox]

Ramos is brilliant. The old fashioned guy who started this thread wouldn't like him.

[jarrod]

Make sure it isn't previously stained, sweetie,
Those aren't stains, they're love.

[mattmanbass]

I enjoy it. timbox needs to be creative from time to time, and I am a willing canvas. That last sentence of mine was messed up, wasn't it?[/QUOTE]

now this is my kind of party

[Seres]

Such beautiful poetry.


Ramos is brilliant. The old fashioned guy who started this thread wouldn't like him.

I can never resist you when you're in an artistic mood.


Those aren't stains, they're love.

Love is pain.




now this is my kind of party

Stop trying to break up my marriage, you shadowy and mysterious stranger!

[timbox]

Interloper!

[mattmanbass]

Stop trying to break up my marriage, you shadowy and mysterious stranger![/QUOTE]

from what i can already tell i could never fill old timmys shoes, you neednt worry, and im not shadowy, i prefer dynamic

[MartinRedmond]

X-Men Forever's gonna be great. Don't mind the scrubs, they're just bitter cause it's priced a little higher than their weekly allowance.

Humberto Ramos is terrific. He's like a much much better Art Adams. And faster too.

[Seres]

Stop trying to break up my marriage, you shadowy and mysterious stranger!

from what i can already tell i could never fill old timmys shoes, you neednt worry, and im not shadowy, i prefer dynamic

Hee! I'm not a fan of how old timbox is, either. timbox had better stop aging, or I'll lose interest. Don't tell timbox I told you that.

[mattmanbass]

X-Men Forever's gonna be great. Don't mind the scrubs, they're just bitter cause it's priced a little higher than their weekly allowance.

im gonna go subscribe to it at the store tomorrow

[jarrod]

Interloper!
Slut!


..



....


.

Wordcount!

[Prodigy55]

im gonna go subscribe to it at the store tomorrow

Make sure you subscribe at least 12 times.

[Bronze Badger]

Make sure you subscribe at least 12 times.

Even that won't save it.

[mattmanbass]

Even that won't save it.

i assume your not a fan? mind filling me in ?

[Prodigy55]

mattmanbass, would you like to join the X-Men: Forever club?

[Bronze Badger]

i assume your not a fan? mind filling me in ?

Claremont should retire. He already had a alternate universe title called the New Exiles that was garbage. X-men Forever is lather, rinse, and repeat. Stick to writers like Yost and Kyle, Mike Carey, and Peter David. The art will grow on you.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Claremont should retire. He already had a alternate universe title called the New Exiles that was garbage. X-men Forever is lather, rinse, and repeat. Stick to writers like Yost and Kyle, Mike Carey, and Peter David. The art will grow on you.

Except for the Choi art.

[Aguja]

i assume your not a fan? mind filling me in ?

Ignore the haters. They fear the success of X-Men Forever. Inferior titles such as X-Force will be in danger of cancellation soon, and it is making them uneasy.

To speed up the demise of these worthless titles I suggest you purchase several copies of X-Men Forever.

[mattmanbass]

Claremont should retire. He already had a alternate universe title called the New Exiles that was garbage. X-men Forever is lather, rinse, and repeat. Stick to writers like Yost and Kyle, Mike Carey, and Peter David. The art will grow on you.

really thats interesting, from what ive read claremont seems to get alot of props around here, im gonna have to check out some of the other writers you mentioned, which books would you recommend to get me started?

[Bronze Badger]

Ignore the haters. They fear the success of X-Men Forever. Inferior titles such as X-Force will be in danger of cancellation soon, and it is making them uneasy.

To speed up the demise of these worthless titles I suggest you purchase several copies of X-Men Forever.

I would rather pay $2.99 to get punched in the face than buy X-Men Forever #1.

[Bronze Badger]

really thats interesting, from what ive read claremont seems to get alot of props around here, im gonna have to check out some of the other writers you mentioned, which books would you recommend to get me started?

X-Force and X-Factor are the best right now.

[mattmanbass]

mattmanbass, would you like to join the X-Men: Forever club?

sure sign me up

[mattmanbass]

X-Force and X-Factor are the best right now.

really? when i was a kid those always seemed to be the less popular titles, although i always did really like cable, he was a badass

[Seres]

Ignore the haters. They fear the success of X-Men Forever. Inferior titles such as X-Force will be in danger of cancellation soon, and it is making them uneasy.

To speed up the demise of these worthless titles I suggest you purchase several copies of X-Men Forever.

Is there anything you should tell me, Aguja? Report to X-Cres (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=265161&page=79), please!

[timbox]

Is there anything you should tell me, Aguja? Report to X-Cres (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=265161&page=79), please!

I think you should heed this warning, Aguja.

[Chaos_Alfa]

X-Force and X-Factor are the best right now.
I second this.

[jarrod]

Wolverine: First Class and Captain Britain and MI13 are the best now!

[mattmanbass]

i also find it interesting at how split everyone seems to be about the x-force vs forever, is there not room enough for both? i dont understand why people would care if you dont like one or the other just dont read it am i right?

[Bronze Badger]

really? when i was a kid those always seemed to be the less popular titles, although i always did really like cable, he was a badass

Back when you were into comics the art was empasized more than the story. And at that time a lot of the art was similiar. Now the story is taking priority and the artists are more diverse. Some will appeal to you and some will not. But X-Force and X-factor are definitely top shelf right now.

[Bronze Badger]

i also find it interesting at how split everyone seems to be about the x-force vs forever, is there not room enough for both? i dont understand why people would care if you dont like one or the other just dont read it am i right?

Unfortunately, no, there is not room for both. If you place anything written by Claremont in the last 10 years next to X-Force it will disintegrate due to X-Force's overwhelming awesomeness.

[mattmanbass]

Unfortunately, no, there is not room for both. If you place anything written by Claremont in the last 10 years next to X-Force it will disintegrate due to X-Force's overwhelming awesomeness.

LOL ok im gonna pick up some of these x-force's everyone is talking about, what issue did all the goodness start at? i have to see what all the hoopla is about

[Chaos_Alfa]

LOL ok im gonna pick up some of these x-force's everyone is talking about, what issue did all the goodness start at? i have to see what all the hoopla is about

X-Force v3 #1
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8175

[tlp0708]

X-Force v3 #1
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8175

The first two arcs are in trade. Or at least, the second arc will be released in trade soon. If I'm not mistaken, we're only 3 issues into the Leper Queen arc, which is the third one?

[Chaos_Alfa]

The first two arcs are in trade. Or at least, the second arc will be released in trade soon. If I'm not mistaken, we're only 3 issues into the Leper Queen arc, which is the third one?

X-Force arcs:

- Angels and Demons #1 - 6
- Old Ghosts #7 - 10
- Who the hell is Eli Bard? #11
- Suicide Leper #12 - 13
- Messiah War crossover

[mattmanbass]

where can i go to buy all the back issues of x force if my comic store doesnt have them, other than ebay, anyone wanna sell theres?

i looked up these online and i must admit they do look totally badass, my original gripe about the artwork was really just with the uncanny xmen manga issues

[GHalecki]

Well, if you liked the art 15 years ago, my question would be WHAT art from that period did you like?
The "Hot" artists from that period were guys like Jim Lee, Eric Larson, Todd McFarlane, Rob Liefield and others.
But at that point there was also a lot of stuff out there (that I preferred at the time and still do) by guys like Byrne, Perez, Frank Miller, Walt Simonson, Geof Isherwood, Mark Bagley, and others.

Some of these guys are still in the business, but few are doing a lot with Marvel right now. You might take a look at some companies like IDW for a more traditional style on some of their books.