Do you think All-Star Superman is Morrison's WM/DKR?

[NickFury90]

What I mean is, that one graphic novel that is a really big success critically and commercially that people are going to look back on in 10, 15 years as their best work like Alan Moore's Watchmen or Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns? I've just noticed he's never won an Eisner for Best Writer like Moore/Miller. Obviously awards don't make someone better than anybody else(Hitchcock never won Best Director), but Morrison has such a large high quality body of work it seems odd that he never won, and was thinking now that All-Star Superman is winning plenty of awards, maybe this could be that one great graphic novel to push his status as one of comics greatest writers over the edge?

tl;dr version: All-Star Superman is Watchmen/DKR level of awesomeness! Agree/Disagree/etc?

[BillR]

No, his "Watchmen" is Flex Mentallo. But considering that will never ever ever be reprinted...

...I'ma have to say the Invisibles.

Not that All Star Superman isn't one of his best.

[Constantine Drakon]

Oh heck no.

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[NickFury90]

Which reminds me that I still need to read that and Seven Soldiers. Working through his JLA series now, read New X-men/Batman/We3/Seaguy(DA FUG!)/All-Star Superman/Animal Man.

[F1uke]

All Star Superman was excellent, but I agree with Morrison on this one. :smile:

"But Seaguy’s just a superhero story too. And by the time we get into the third book, it’s quite a serious superhero story. This is my “Watchmen,” really. "

[paulski]

Nope. It's a fun read but it ain't that super (pardon the pun).

[Pól Rua]

What I mean is, that one graphic novel that is a really big success critically and commercially that people are going to look back on in 10, 15 years as their best work like Alan Moore's Watchmen or Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns? I've just noticed he's never won an Eisner for Best Writer like Moore/Miller. Obviously awards don't make someone better than anybody else(Hitchcock never won Best Director), but Morrison has such a large high quality body of work it seems odd that he never won, and was thinking now that All-Star Superman is winning plenty of awards, maybe this could be that one great graphic novel to push his status as one of comics greatest writers over the edge?

tl;dr version: All-Star Superman is Watchmen/DKR level of awesomeness! Agree/Disagree/etc?

Nope.
All-Star Superman is, to me, like the musician who produces fantastic work which isn't widely accessible, but then releases a commercial pop hit, or an unexpected cover version which gets him 15 minutes of mainstream success.

It's Johnny Cash singing 'Hurt', or Devo singing 'Whip It', or Zevon singing 'Werewolves of London'.

[Skeets]

tl;dr version: All-Star Superman is Watchmen/DKR level of awesomeness! Agree/Disagree/etc?
Nowhere near Watchmen status.

Far superior to the garbage that is DKR.


So, disagree. But may be the best thing he's ever written, though not my favorite.

[Karl O'Neill]

All star superman is a work of art. I friggin love that book.

Best superman story ever.

[WorstThingUS]

I do believe it's a work of pop art, but ironically it's not something that changes the game of everything around it like Watchmen or DKR because it's so good, so head and shoulders above everything else, you know can't do it. Whereas how many sad bastards have we seen attempt to emulate Watchmen and DKR and fail miserably? A crazy Batman and double-digit body count Joker does not art make.

[Seraku]

I liked Hurt :mad:

[BeastieRunner]

I think it's the best Superman story ever. Best comic/graphic novel ... it's up there.

[NickFury90]

I liked Hurt :mad:

You mean Dr.Hurt from Morrison's Batman run? Yeah, I thought he was great. The ultimate mastermind/the devil tries to stop Batman, but Batman is simply unstoppable and plans for everything(Has a BACK-UP secret idenity, just in case his entire life was attacked from all angles. Awesome).

[CannonFodder]

I think it's the best Superman story ever. Best comic/graphic novel ... it's up there.

It's definitely up towards the top for me, but Birthright and Superman for all Seasons were just as enjoyable IMO. I do love the cleverness with which Morrison introduces some new elements, though.

[Tra-EL]

I've read some of the major Superman stories (Kingdom Come, All Star, All seasons, Birthright, Death Of, Return Of, Etc.) and I would have to say that even though I enjoyed all of them, All Star REALLY stood out to me and gave me the sense of something DIFFERENT was going on here and that it really grabbed me in a way the other didn't. I still have yet to pick up VOL 2, but if it is any as good as VOL 1, then I'd have to say All-Star takes the cake of any Superman story out there.

[Duy]

I think All-Star Superman is the best thing Morrison has ever written.

I think Watchmen is the best superhero thing Moore has ever written.

I think DKR is a piece of garbage.

[paulski]

Are you guys talking about Dark Knight Returns or Dark Knight Strikes Again?

I mean, I think it's overrated and all, but I wouldn't call DKR garbage. :confused:

[Duy]

Are you guys talking about Dark Knight Returns or Dark Knight Strikes Again?

I mean, I think it's overrated and all, but I wouldn't call DKR garbage. :confused:
I would, but I wonder just how much of that is me finding it overrated.

I did a paper on DKR back in college, and I concede that a lot of Miller's concepts are sound and even excellent, but the execution? Just plain garbage.

[Xybernauts]

Someone said no to the question. I think it was because Allstar Superman doesn't have the same influence as Watchmen comics. I disagree. I think it's too early to come to that sort of conclusion. I believe in time other writers will come emulate some of the themes and styles we've seen in Allstar Superman. I think the awards the comics have won alone defiantly hint to that. I think winning an Eisner is every writers dream so it's quite likely other up and coming writers, specifically in the comic book industry, will study Morrison's work (or at least flip through it) in order to get an idea of what he did that made his work stand out. I don't know if it's possible to directly copy or use the themes in Allstar Superman because Allstar Superman was specific to Superman comics. I do think that we might see more major comics (i.e. Xmen, Spiderman, Green Lantern, etc.) go back to their roots and create metaphorical pieces of work whose stories revolve around comic books readers' perceptions and interpretations of the book. Of course, this might take about a decade or so for this trend to come to it's fruition.But i believe this is one possible way how Allstar Superman may influence the comic book industry in the future. I think Allstar Superman has critical acclaim. And I think it's a book that will stand the test of time.

[dancj]

Personally I put TDKR above Watchmen and Watchen way above All Star Superman.

But then I also put Animal Man above All Star Superman

[Seraku]

You mean Dr.Hurt from Morrison's Batman run? Yeah, I thought he was great. The ultimate mastermind/the devil tries to stop Batman, but Batman is simply unstoppable and plans for everything(Has a BACK-UP secret idenity, just in case his entire life was attacked from all angles. Awesome).
no I meant the Johnny Cash song

[dancj]

no I meant the Johnny Cash song
Bless .

[Beria]

Although I think All Star Superman is one of the best Superman stories ever, I don't really consider it one of Morrisons major works. That honor belongs to books like The Invisibles and The Filth.

I think ASS is mid quality Morrison. Above JLA and X-Men, but belov the aformentioned Great Works.

[bongoes]

I hated DKR and love All Star Superman but I think tey are kid of similar. Both stories have a mood that really feels like the main character. Batman is dark, bleak, and his fight never ends. Superman is a happier, inspiring character that will live on even if he's not around.

[Kid Kyoto]

Nope, I think Superman never aquires enough of a personality in the story.

I think Morrison's Flex Mentallo is his greatest work.

[Babylon23]

Both Watchman nad DKR redefined the medium. Although it's too early to tell, I don't think All-Star will do that.

Also, I agree with everybody that says Flex Mentallo is Morrison's greatest work.

[Duy]

DKR and Watchmen came at the peak of a movement to make superheroes "realistic" and "gritty". All-Star Superman is NOT coming at a peak to return superheroes to their fantastical, whimsical roots. So yes, in terms of a "movement" of sorts, All-Star will not do that. But that's a question more of timing than of anything involving quality.

[drinkblatzbeer]

no I meant the Johnny Cash song


getting way off topic, but...
how exactly do you think cash did "hurt" because he wasn't mainstream accessible???

the guy was hugely popular!