Who is the MU's best flyer?

[arp2008]

Tourch, Angel, Falcon, or Vulture? In terms of speed, agility, maxmun altitude, usage of thier respective flight capabilities, feats, and any other criteria you guys think should be a determinant, who is the MU best all around flyer? Who do you think is faster and more agile in than who? In sum, who do you think rules the sky? :cool:

If there already a thread like this(and something tells me there is) a link would be nice. :smile:

[earl]

I would think it would be the Silver Surfer.

[arp2008]

I would think it would be the Silver Surfer.Earth based whose main power if flight.

[marvell2100]

Redwing
2nd place: John Redcorn

[striderhirryu2]

Northstar is my best bet

[arp2008]

Redwing
2nd place: John Redcorn

Northstar is my best betI missed a lot of names. Damn.

[striderhirryu2]

Add Cloud 9 Aurora, Vance Astro, Wasp, Cannonball, Darkhawk, Richard Rider, Norman Osborn and subsequent goblins too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Marvel_Comics_who_can_fly

[arp2008]

I would think it would be the Silver Surfer.The FF movie the Tourch was just as fast as him. Not as agile, but just as fast.

[striderhirryu2]

Then the movie is wrong because Surfer can travel to other galaxies in very short amounts of time, so that implies breaking the speed of light.

[arp2008]

Then the movie is wrong because Surfer can travel to other galaxies in very short amounts of time, so that implies breaking the speed of light.He does that by creating worm holes.

[striderhirryu2]

The Surfer can navigate through interstellar space, dimensional barriers, and hyperspace, which he can enter to exceed the speed of light when flying on his board

From the Annihilation Nova Corps files.

[BBeeryan]

The Queen of Wakanda happens to be the best flyer of the MU! She can literally force other flyers out of the sky. Who the EFF is messing with that?!

[striderhirryu2]

Northstar kill knock her into the dirt because he can fly at the speed of light.

[BBeeryan]

Northstar kill knock her into the dirt because he can fly at the speed of light.
I have no idea what kind of delusions you're suffering from.

[striderhirryu2]

When someone launches at you at 299,792,458 metres per second I do believe that you're going to drop out of the sky in a very timely manner.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Angel/Archangel, pretty agile, fast, literally born to fly. Might not be the fastest etc, but having natural wings would be pretty damn cool.

[celticguy]

Namor might not be the fastest but probably the strongest flyer, Unless Wonderman is flying these days I forget.

[striderhirryu2]

Well by what terms do you mean earthbound best? In terms of manuverability(dodging and speed), or just a dogfight in the sky?

[Fat Cobra]

Probably Angel/Archangel.

[DeadXMan]

I have never seen the surfer make a wormwhole to travel.

Do you have a scan of this Arp?

as for flyers

mecaanhily: Tony or Rhodes

natural/power

Storm or Thor

[MTL76]

If we're sticking to Earthly heroes/villains, I agree, Northstar is probably tops. He can break the sound barrier several times over, which puts him above Angel and Namor.

[striderhirryu2]

I think Redshift does that with his swords but Firelord, Morg, Surfer, Nova, Airwalker, Stardust and Fallen One just fly really really fast when travelling. God knows why they don't use that speed when fighting but hey, then we'd have Dragon Ball Z in space.

[arp2008]

I think Redshift does that with his swords but Firelord, Morg, Surfer, Nova, Airwalker, Stardust and Fallen One just fly really really fast when travelling. God knows why they don't use that speed when fighting but hey, then we'd have Dragon Ball Z in space.That would be awesome.

[newscott]

I'm gonna toss my vote in there for Sam Guthrie, Cannonball. He's invulnerable when blasting, and he's beaten Gladiator to a stand still.

[celticguy]

I'm gonna toss my vote in there for Sam Guthrie, Cannonball. He's invulnerable when blasting, and he's beaten Gladiator to a stand still.

has he gotten anybeter with his mobility he used to pretty limited.

I guess it would depend on what you needed the flyer to do different characters could do different things it does not make one better than the other.

[Beacon]

Earth-Based and non-cosmic? Northstar

(More or less) Earth-Based but cosmic? Maybe Nova

Cosmic? Most likely the Silver Surfer

[Hamdinger]

What about Monica "Photon" Rambeau? She is as fast and maneuverable as it gets for an earther. :smile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Rambeau

[SayOcean]

Id say Northstar or cannonball

cause their mutants

[mikekerr3]

The Queen of Wakanda happens to be the best flyer of the MU! She can literally force other flyers out of the sky. Who the EFF is messing with that?!

Both the New and Old Ms Marvels can fly to Orbit and beyond as can Tony, lets see Storm try riding the Winds and 200 miles up:biggrin:

[Vegetarian Goat]

I have a hard time believing it's anyone BUT Angel. I mean, most of the guy's high-school/college experience was flight training. Even if there are others who can fly faster, i doubt anyone has the maneuverability or sheer talent for it that Angel has.

[The Black Guardian]

Both the New and Old Ms Marvels can fly to Orbit and beyond as can Tony, lets see Storm try riding the Winds and 200 miles up:biggrin:
Storm has harnessed the solar winds before.:wink:

[striderhirryu2]

Problem is breathing.

[striderhirryu2]

Problem is breathing.

[pharoahe22]

As far as agility and manueverability, I'd have to say Angel/Archangel, just based off of all the training he has done...and his wings were essentially his only power before the Archangel thing. Other people might be faster, maybe much much faster, but I'd say he's probably the best...he was trained to fly at high speeds in close quarters with huge wings.

[mdg1]

Monica Rambeau.

[Aelle3]

Im with you on that one, its Monica Rambeau for me

[HeckBoy]

As far as agility and manueverability, I'd have to say Angel/Archangel, just based off of all the training he has done...and his wings were essentially his only power before the Archangel thing. Other people might be faster, maybe much much faster, but I'd say he's probably the best...he was trained to fly at high speeds in close quarters with huge wings.Plus he's just naturally adapted to flight. I imagine it's second nature to him, much like a bird, even without the training. And although I imagine a lot of the other mutants with flight abilities have compensatory mechanisms as well, most of them probably haven't had the sheer specialization in flight as Warren.

[psm]

I agree Monica Rambeau. She's easily the fastest of the group (minus cosmic beings).

[Shyft]

im sure i've read somewhere that because Archangel flys with actual wings, he has manouverability the others cannot match. He is also lighter due to hollow bones, and has nictating membranes over his eyes, all of which make everything about his body primed for flying.

[striderhirryu2]

^doesn't hollow bones make him break easier? I would think that Arcangel is at a disadvantage with wings because he can only flap them so fast, limiting his speed and hampering his mobility because they're so big and cumbersome. Plus, they'd make a pretty big target.

[Patrick Hultquist]

What about Monica "Photon" Rambeau? She is as fast and maneuverable as it gets for an earther. :smile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Rambeau

Monica Rambeau.

Im with you on that one, its Monica Rambeau for me

I agree Monica Rambeau. She's easily the fastest of the group (minus cosmic beings).

That'd be my vote, too.

[Wild Card13]

He may not be the fastest, but I do remember some issue where Angel was able to outfly the Human Torch. He wasn't able to match him for speed, but he had crazy maneuverability. I don't know. Most of the fliers mentioned here have many abilities, of which flight is only one. Flight is really all Angel can do, so I figure he'd have plenty of practice without any other distractions.

[GHalecki]

Monica technically could fly faster in the atmosphere than anyone else. She also wouldn't have to worry about things like causing sonic booms over populated areas, because she has no mass, just exists as energy.

However if you are talking about PEOPLE people, with actual bodies and such, I would say that Northstar is the fastest, and up there in terms of manuverability. I am not sure about what his range is though (it was stated that his sister has more endurance and can fly farther, but he is definately faster).

In terms of fighting someone else while flying, you have to consider other aspects too. Falcon might be a better fighter while flying, but Nova for example is super strong and invulnerable, so there is no ammount of fighting skill that could make Falc win.

What flyer has the best aerial combat skills, as applied to fighting equivelant level of enemies?

What about a flying hero who is the best in combat against grounded foes?

I would say that Angel would be the best in those three categories. With Northstar being among a bunch of people grouped up in second place.

[DMike]

Monica's certainly one of the fastest, but I remember back in the East Coast/West Coast days when she had trouble maneuvering at her top speeds causing her to lose track of and keep missing Quicksilver, who was still only at speed-of-sound level.

I believe Carol Danvers was acknowledged in an Avengers issue (possibly the Busiek era) as the best aerial combatant in terms of offense and maneuverability.

Warren Worthington has managed to humiliate the old-school Thunderbolts, including Moonstone, through sheer acrobatic maneuvering. IIRC, even Graviton couldn't actually stop him in that same story arc.

Then again, those two are the best fliers, not the fastest.

[SquidSquod]

Ms Marvel because she's a jet pilot.

Iron Man is not bad either with his upgradeable mach 7 speed, best sensor in the planet, stealth capability and all.

[mcgaffer]

Angel has had hours upon hours of training in flight maneouverability. His wings are incredibly sensitive too. I read once that because of the size of them his wings could pick up changes in air pressure such as a bullet being fired. His wings are supposed to be like his own version of a spider-sense. I remember him once beating a Doom built machine specifically designed to test his maneovering abilities.

[GHalecki]

I would grant that Ms Marvel is more powerful, however in terms of skill she shouldn't be even close to Warren.

Just because she is an experienced pilot, is very diferent than doing it under your own power.

I imagine it would be like saying that a race car driver would make a good running back because theyare used to going fast in between opponents.

[striderhirryu2]

Yeah instead of pulling up you just go up. It would be easier imo

[skatalite]

The Sentry

[Golden_Guardian]

The Sentry

Thank god someone finally said it! :biggrin:

[Shyft]

^doesn't hollow bones make him break easier? I would think that Arcangel is at a disadvantage with wings because he can only flap them so fast, limiting his speed and hampering his mobility because they're so big and cumbersome. Plus, they'd make a pretty big target.

The question is who is the best flyer, not who is the most durable whilst flying. Yes hollow bones and big wings make him a little more vulnerable, but in his Archangel form his wings are metal and he has Techno-Organic fillaments all the way through him, improving his durability and his healing.

His speed is definately not as good, you are correct. But the fact that he is basically designed for flying means he is much more adept at it than someone who just pushes alot of energy out of their feet/hands to propell themselves off the ground.

[Rayven]

I voted for namor,

dude has wings on his ankles >>>>>>>>>>

[BBeeryan]

When someone launches at you at 299,792,458 metres per second I do believe that you're going to drop out of the sky in a very timely manner.

What are you talking about?!

[BBeeryan]

What about Monica "Photon" Rambeau? She is as fast and maneuverable as it gets for an earther. :smile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Rambeau

Agreed. I totally forgot about her.

[MythicBrawn]

I vote for Monica too. Remember the X-Men versus Avengers miniseries, she was flying in her light form and turned around without even slowing down. At least, that's what Rogue said when Rogue was trying to fly away while carrying Magneto.

[GHalecki]

I think being made of energy is kind of cheating when compared to most of the rest of the people being discussed, like Falcon, Angel, Northstar, Human torch...

[striderhirryu2]

What are you talking about?!

Northstar. Can. Fly. At. 99%. Of. The. Speed. Of. Light. Therefore, he can knock Storm out of the sky long before she can call wind at a high enough velocity to do anything to him.

But since Monica can do 100% of the speed of light, she wins. Northstar can't go that fast because he'll damage the ozone layer or some lame crap like that.

[Beadle]

Monica's certainly one of the fastest, but I remember back in the East Coast/West Coast days when she had trouble maneuvering at her top speeds causing her to lose track of and keep missing Quicksilver, who was still only at speed-of-sound level.
WCA Annual #1 IIRC. I always remember that scene whenever anyone says Monica is maneuvrable. She's just not at all. She's definitely the quickest on Earth though.

Northstar's ludicrously fast and pretty maneuvrable. Although in close combat, I'm not sure HOW maneuvrable. (And it always surprises me how rarely he punches repeatedly at speed - that should be a very effective strategy for guys like Jean-Paul and Pietro).

Angel's very agile and maneuvrable, but I'm not sure how he fairs with in-air combat. Usually he focuses on air-to-ground strikes.

Torch is similarly agile, but rarely (if ever) gets involved in hand-to-hand fighting with his flight, preferring to focus on ranged attacks. Janet was similar, but closer up.

Sentry's again very fast, and can handle in-air combat, but not very maneuvrable (he seems to work more like a bullet). Same with Blue Marvel. Surfer and the other Heralds would probably fall into this category as well.

In terms of fighting while in the air, Carol, Namor, Tony, Rhodey, Rogue, Captain Britain, Wonder Man or even Thor & Beta Ray Bill would probably come out tops (even discounting the much higher power-levels). They all have a lot of experience of in-air combat.

So pick any of the above. And no, Storm is not in the same league as a flyer. Neither are M, Siryn, Vision, Karolina Dean or many of the others that people might come up with. And Doc Strange just sorta floats around, although he can float pretty fast.

[Spectra]

I vote for Monica too. Remember the X-Men versus Avengers miniseries, she was flying in her light form and turned around without even slowing down. At least, that's what Rogue said when Rogue was trying to fly away while carrying Magneto.

I remember this and agree. There was also a scene where she flew so fast that she leaves the other heroes forzen in place. :biggrin:

[Shyft]

Sentry's again very fast, and can handle in-air combat, but not very maneuvrable (he seems to work more like a bullet). Same with Blue Marvel. Surfer and the other Heralds would probably fall into this category as well.


Actually, Sentry gave Archangel flying lessons when he encountered The X-Men in his first mini.

[Seres]

Megan Gwynn.

[Beadle]

Megan Gwynn.
Consider yourself stoppitted.

[bad trotsky]

I have to go with Angel. Its his main power. They have often shown him with some fighting ability but heck the dude needs some offence. Pull a cloud 9 and give him a blaster.Of course Archangel fixes this. I do like the ablity to switch that was recently introduced in X force.

[Dafyr]

I vote for Cannonball for mix of flight, air combat, speed, stealth, manuverability, and durability. Like Angel he has been taking flight instruction since the begining. Unlike Angel, he also was trained for combat, since the begining. I am hard pressed to think of any non-cosmic, earth based flyer, who can square off against Gladiator one on one, and beat him.