Poll- The Original X-Men

[the Hornet]

Asked this question in "Ask various x-title questions thread" but it does not give me the poll option so putting it here. Hope thats okay. Who do you consider an original X-Man? What I mean by original X-Man in this case is someone officially counted as a team member. I know Prof X is the founder and mentor but was he actually part of the team because I keep seeing two opinions on this. So I am interested in seeing the majority's opinion.

[darknessatnoon]

Sage and Jean Grey, followed by Cyclops, Angel, Beast and Iceman.

Xavier is, of course, the original X-Man.

[CJ Lentze]

I personally do not consider Professor X an X-Man, even though he has been described AS an X-Man in some panels as early as the 1960s. "The most powerful X-Man", "the leader of the X-Men", they'd call him. I don't count him because he didn't go out into the field wearing a blue and yellow costume. So just the original five.

[darknessatnoon]

I personally do not consider Professor X an X-Man, even though he has been described AS an X-Man in some panels as early as the 1960s. "The most powerful X-Man", "the leader of the X-Men", they'd call him. I don't count him because he didn't go out into the field wearing a blue and yellow costume. So just the original five.

You mean six. He would have been the seventh.

[NewMutant]

I consider Xavier the founder and mentor but not part of the team.

Sage might have been found at the same time but she was not on the X-Men then, therefore not an original X-Man.

[timbox]

Sage was the first of Xavier's disciples. The order of the rest of them is irrelevant.

[Home made ectoplasm]

I consider Xavier the founder and mentor but not part of the team.

Sage might have been found at the same time but she was not on the X-Men then, therefore not an original X-Man.

Sage was actually recruited before Cyclops, not at the same time.

[Waterlily]

She was recruited before Cyclops, but as a spy. I prefer to think of her something seperate and ambiguous.

[Home made ectoplasm]

She was recruited before Cyclops, but as a spy. I prefer to think of her something seperate and ambiguous.

something seperate and ambiguous and better?

[darknessatnoon]

She was recruited before Cyclops, but as a spy. I prefer to think of her something seperate and ambiguous.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/scream.jpg

[CJ Lentze]

You mean six. He would have been the seventh.If we're going to include Sage, we could count their cook who was mentioned in issue, ummm, 7 or something (and who had taken the day off at the time) as the 8th X-Man. Especially because he was at the mansion, while Sage was getting cosy with shady millionaires downtown.

[AcesX1X]

It all depends on how you define "x-man" really. sage was the first mutant to recieve combat training from xavier and wear his uniform. She was also one of the first to receive training in the use of her powers and the very first to go off school grounds and use her training to fight for xavier's dream, which she believes in.

It all depends how someone defines what it means to be an x-man.

Personally, I consider that enough to be an x-man, but others may be more illogical and non-scientific in their classifications.

[Home made ectoplasm]

If we're going to include Sage, we could count their cook who was mentioned in issue, ummm, 7 or something (and who had taken the day off at the time) as the 8th X-Man. Especially because he was at the mansion, while Sage was getting cosy with shady millionaires downtown.

Sorry Schuimend Mormel, I don't see how that is comparable at all.

I don't have the pic of her in uniform handy Aces, can you post it?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'll never get what's the use of pretending this is anything but a reader's willingness to humorior aknowledge a certain writer's diva/bitter/power trip.

[CJ Lentze]

Sorry Schuimend Mormel, I don't see how that is comparable at all.He was a key member of the team. He was charged with feeding a group of growing adolescent superpowered mutants. He especially had to put up with the demands of Hank (maintaining the guy's physique) and Bobby (only ate ice cream [he did, check those early issues]).

The X-Cook needs his own appreciation thread. He never even appeared on panel. If that isn't disrespect toward a character, I don't know what is.

[NewMutant]

Sage was actually recruited before Cyclops, not at the same time.

And Cyclops was recruited before Jean... but its still around the same. But they are still original X-Man where Sage is not.

[Home made ectoplasm]

The X-Cook needs his own appreciation thread. He never even appeared on panel. If that isn't disrespect toward a character, I don't know what is.

When you put it like that, lol, it beggars belief he doesn't have an appreciation thread.

I'll never get what's the use of pretending this is anything but a reader's willingness to humorior aknowledge a certain writer's diva/bitter/power trip.

Surely it is the posters who don't acknowledge this that are the bitter ones? :confused: You can't pick and chose continuity.

[AcesX1X]

I don't have the pic of her in uniform handy Aces, can you post it?

Sorry, JAU, I am currently mobile and don't have access to those resources at the moment.

[darknessatnoon]

Sorry, JAU, I am currently mobile and don't have access to those resources at the moment.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/uniform.jpg

[Home made ectoplasm]

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/uniform.jpg

Thanks, that wasn't actually the picture I was thinking of, but it settles the argument anyway.

[Waterlily]

something seperate and ambiguous and better?

Hmmmm yes, I'm more interested in the X-Men's spies than the actual teams. So I prefer to think of her this way.



http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/scream.jpg

*is deleted from the universe*

[darknessatnoon]

Thanks, that wasn't actually the picture I was thinking of, but it settles the argument anyway.

Bonus Sage goodness:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/highlight1.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Surely it is the posters who don't acknowledge this that are the bitter ones? :confused: You can't pick and chose continuity.

You're right. Poor choice of words. Should've humored the lot of you.

What I meant was aknowledging it as more than what it is.

Of course it's continuity. But if you think it was about great storytelling rather than vengeance and having a new pet character, then you're kidding yourself big time. Which is fine, I suppose. At any rate, it's perfectly in line with the teachings of Master C, really.

[Jack Flash]

This poll fails since the correct answer of Storm, Colossus, Wolvie, Thunderbird, Nightcrawler, Banshee, and Sunfire aren't an answer. They are the original X-Men. The rest is just a sham.

[timbox]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/224184-183966-sage_super.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Surely it is the posters who don't acknowledge this that are the bitter ones? :confused: You can't pick and chose continuity.

X-Men Forever. LOL. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[Congo Jack]

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/highlight1.jpg
Yes... 'handsome'.

[ALEX-23]

I tend to think of this as the original X-men!

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/300px-Uncanny_X-Men_1.jpg

[darknessatnoon]

I tend to think of this as the original X-men!

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/300px-Uncanny_X-Men_1.jpg

There is a corrected version of that cover out there somewhere.

EDIT:

http://i38.tinypic.com/2vv28i0.jpg

[ALEX-23]

There is a corrected version of that cover out there somewhere.

Missing someone?

[darknessatnoon]

This poll fails since the correct answer of Storm, Colossus, Wolvie, Thunderbird, Nightcrawler, Banshee, and Sunfire aren't an answer. They are the original X-Men. The rest is just a sham.

http://file044a.bebo.com/2/original/2008/08/13/14/1768524073a8625999406o.jpg

[Home made ectoplasm]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/224184-183966-sage_super.jpg

That's the one I was thinking of timbox!

[Home made ectoplasm]

Of course it's continuity. But if you think it was about great storytelling rather than vengeance and having a new pet character, then you're kidding yourself big time. Which is fine, I suppose. At any rate, it's perfectly in line with the teachings of Master C, really.

See, I don't understand this argument. How is Sage any more of a "pet" character than, say, Cyclops?

[bigbluntz]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/Magnetodebut.png

"the X-Men started off as five"

"Xavier recruited Cyclops, Iceman, Angel, Beast and Jean Grey calling them "X-Men" because they possessed the "x-gene"

"Instead of being chosen for the first X-Men class, Sage was sent to spy on the Hellfire Club"

[AcesX1X]

Missing someone?

I think it's weird that Professor xavier isn't in that image too.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

See, I don't understand this argument. How is Sage any more of a "pet" character than, say, Cyclops?

I know you don't.

That being said, I'd venture a wild guess that indomitable will and random powers tweaks/upgrades are a decent place to start with. Actual guardianship/godhood/whatever of the Omniverse might be considered, too, if just for a goof.

[Home made ectoplasm]

I know you don't.

That being said, I'd venture a wild guess that indomitable will and random powers tweaks/upgrades are a decent place to start with. Actual guardianship/godhood/whatever of the Omniverse might be considered, too, if just for a goof.

pets are generally fluffy and cute, not omnipotent.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

pets are generally fluffy and cute, not omnipotent.

Fine, I can see a peace-promoting tactic when I see one.

Neither Sage nor Cyke really qualify as cute or fluffy. :tongue:

And back to the original question, O5 FTW.

[Optic Rage!]

http://file044a.bebo.com/2/original/2008/08/13/14/1768524073a8625999406o.jpg

LMFAO<3

I wonder if this has been shown to CC.

[Omega Alpha]

There's a reason as to why the O5 are the O5. Xavier was as much of a X-man as he was a New Mutant; the X-men were his students, not a team per se, at least not in the beginning.

As for Sage, not only she was never a X-man, because there was no such thing at the time, but really, this is Claremont, and post 2000. In other words, it's completely irrelevant.

[Novaya Havoc]

There is a corrected version of that cover out there somewhere.

EDIT:

http://i38.tinypic.com/2vv28i0.jpg

This is how God intended it to be.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

This is how God intended it to be.

If just for the sake of humoring a confused x-fan...

I get the rampage. Still, exactly *how* serious are you about selling out to the Claremont collective?

[bigbluntz]

Technically he met Storm, Shadow King, Magneto, then Sage in that order.

[SugarMan]

There will only be 5 original X-Men, members who were actually active and wore the uniform. That would be Psyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Iceman, and Angel. I also consider Havok, Polaris, and Multiple Man to be "original" members, they were part of the supporting cast. If Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch had joined the X-Men instead of the Avengers, I would consider them also.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/23/xmen_first_class_4.jpg
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/robert_pattinson/

[mimic_616]

I don't acknowledge Sage as part of the original X-Men. It was just another ridiculous idea CC cooked up to include his, then, favourite character. :rolleyes:

[psycwave]

I don't acknowledge Sage as part of the original X-Men. It was just another ridiculous idea CC cooked up to include his, then, favourite character. :rolleyes:

But you admit it is canon. Even if he did cook it up he made it so. Sage is an original X-man. She is apart of the 06.

[mimic_616]

But you admit it is canon. Even if he did cook it up he made it so. Sage is an original X-man. She is apart of the 06.

Agree to disagree.

[bigbluntz]

But you admit it is canon. Even if he did cook it up he made it so. Sage is an original X-man. She is apart of the 06.

No becuz she wasn't being trained to be on his team of X-Men, plus if ur goin by that horrible ret-con Storm predates Sage.

[That JonoGuy]

I consider Xavier the founder and mentor but not part of the team.

Sage might have been found at the same time but she was not on the X-Men then, therefore not an original X-Man.

That's my view on it as well. If the team had known of her undercover work, I might be inclined to consider her a member.

[darknessatnoon]

That's my view on it as well. If the team had known of her undercover work, I might be inclined to consider her a member.

How do you know Jean didn't know? Morrison suggested as much when he showed them together.

[lockerogue]

Jean knew about Sage along. She was keeping this a secret from the rest of the X-Men. Especially Cyclops.

[Aguja]

Sage is often ignored as one of the original six because Cyclops supporters are insecure at the very idea of him not being Xavier's chosen one. But the reality is Scott was the professor's 3rd choice after Tessa and Jean. It is not by accident that Scott's star has risen now that these two are out of the picture.

[bigbluntz]

I'm not much of a Cyclops fan. But you have to admit Xavier had met and helped a few mutants B4 he met Sage. If it hadn't been for the alien Lucifer crippling him she wouldn't have heard his telepathic cries and rescued him in the 1st place.

But that's all off point. Point is Xavier trained Tessa to spy on the Hellfire Club not be in his team of X-Men.

Thing is there are more than one account of when she meets Xavier. Sage says herself that this was about the same time as he located Beast, but in other accounts he found Sage first. So question is which one is cannon?

[otipep_90]

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/scream.jpg

Look everyone, now Greg Land has some tracing material for when Sage shows up in uncanny. O face and all!

:eek: WOW great find darknessatnoon...

She's just a spy so not technically an O5/O6

[psycwave]

Jean also knew that Tessa was a member of the 06. It was their little secret. Well that and the fact that Xavier was a creepy old man.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/498204-hi_sage.jpg

[psycwave]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/217973-83626-sage.jpg

[coveredinbees]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7933/sagevsfloor.jpg

Prof X, Cyclops, Iceman, Angel, Beast, Marvel Girl
I like Sage, but she wasn't part of the team. She was busy.
Prof. X actually helped the kids on the first couple of missions IIRC, so yeah.

[psychic_therapy]

*points at the "pollboard"*

The more thorny issue is if Prof X is considered an "X-Man"