BIG BIG BIG sorry to anyone i offended

[marvelbhoy]

as i said big sorry if i offended, but again if you read the full statement i wrote on my last thread i was genuinly trying to create a discussion on why comic book fans get such a bad rep. i honestly think this is a discussion worth having. maybe the people or mods who keep closing my threads have a problem with this discussion because perhaps they might know where the discussion will go once the majority of people get talking.

Is there no people out there who just might know what im talking about. i am honestly serious about wantng to have a discussion about why comic reading fans get such a bad name.


also..... the first thread i had wasnt making fun of people it was asking folk to highlight what they thought was funny about the stupid behaviour of "fanboys"(put in inverted so i didnt offend anyone)


i have stupid fanboy behaviour, we all do thats why we are on a bloody website forum.

[Karl O'Neill]

you didn't offend me.

peace

[Tom]

also..... the first thread i had wasnt making fun of people it was asking folk to highlight what they thought was funny about the stupid behaviour of "fanboys"

That is the very definition of "making fun of" someone.

Since you seem genuinely confused:

you must understand that most fanboys dont have much interaction with the female species unless its their moms which explains why they think that girls who go with guys are whores. their mommy told them


Come on lets get ripping

ah so your one of the lesser spotted intellectual snobbish fans.


oooohhhhh i bet you read indy comics and look down on all us big 2 readers like we are stupid. that is until grant morrison writes something unreadable then you get on the intellectual bandwagon about how its only stupid people who cant understand it.

THAT'S trolling.

As long as you stick to actually discussing a topic (instead of going out of your way to make fun of and insult people), you should be fine. Here endeth the lesson

[marvelbhoy]

That is the very definition of "making fun of" someone.

Since you seem genuinely confused:


ok sorry ,quote 1 and 3 could be taken as me being out of order but the others cant. cmon do people here have that much of a bereft of human contact and intereaction that they cant get sarcasm and dry wit. i will take the piss out of myself just as much.


this whole point is getting us to the actual thing i was getting to.

whats wrong with getting "ripped" on??

is the way that comic "fanboys" react to "outsiders" and non "fanboys" part of the reason they get laughed at, bullied, teased, looked down at.


I know i can go into a pub and stand at one end of the bar and talk to the drunk guy about how rotten the beer tastes, then go half way up and talk to the guy about the footy or horse racing on the telly then go further up and talk to the guy reading the financial times about the world economic crisis. could most "fanboys do that???






THAT'S trolling.

As long as you stick to actually discussing a topic (instead of going out of your way to make fun of and insult people), you should be fine. Here endeth the lesson


Consider me Schooled

[Tom]

If you have any further questions, feel free to PM me or another mod.

[marvelbhoy]

is the way that comic "fanboys" react to "outsiders" and non "fanboys" part of the reason they get laughed at, bullied, teased, looked down at.


I know i can go into a pub and stand at one end of the bar and talk to the drunk guy about how rotten the beer tastes, then go half way up and talk to the guy about the footy or horse racing on the telly then go further up and talk to the guy reading the financial times about the world economic crisis. could most "fanboys do that???

also can i ask the rest of this community to please agree or disagree with me. maybe im way out of order but is the rest of the vast majority od comic readers actually like the stereotype or are they just everyday guys that like sports, woman, pornn and beer???

(i do know thats just as much of a stereotype but im trying to make a point)

[Tom]

I have deleted one post in this thread and since you reposted it, edited it out of your next post. I've done all the explaining I'm going to do on this. You don't get to make fun of people or insult them. That's the bottom line. If you can't follow that very simple rule, you'll be banned.

Do not reply to this post.

[marvelbhoy]

again. im really sorry but why is my discussion creating hassle from the mods?? unless the mods feel im a actually making a point. do the vast majority of "fanboys" need to try harder to get rid of the negative stereotype. if we dont then what can we do to get rid because god damn there is a reason that i didnt admit to reading comics growing up and there is a reason that people are embarrassed about reading comics and its cause the majority of the out loud and out the closet comic readers are just too damn close to the character on the simpsons.



whats wrong wiith trying to lose this stereotype.



perhaps the people that genuinly want to lose this are just too bogged down by the vocal minority that think you have to act a certain way to be in that group.



the only way i can try and compare it is the way that some people think the have to act if they are gay, you know the young gay and proud and camp people. i have gay friends who despise that kind of behaviour cause it gives them a negative stereotype to compete with.


im prob not putting this across properly but i do hope someone out there gets what im saying.

[dupont2005]

i don't know what you are trying to illustrate. most people on this board seem like normal adults to me. when i had a local comic shop, most of those people seemed like normal, casual readers.

[Paul McEnery]

i don't know what you are trying to illustrate. most people on this board seem like normal adults to me. .

You should probably worry about this.

[marvelbhoy]

You should probably worry about this.

thank you so much.

[Paul McEnery]

thank you so much.

[john goodman]quit while you're behind, Captain Banned[/john goodman]

[Cyke]

The thing is, most people who read comics don't worry about "fanboy cliches" or what makes people froth at the mouth. Indeed, if you go to a message board thread full about comic-related complaints, you'll find a cycle full of the usual suspects.

I feel like addressing the stereotype only reinforces the stereotype as well. It's like trying to fight violent stereotypes with guns and kung-fu.

[Paul McEnery]

The thing is, most people who read comics don't worry about "fanboy cliches" or what makes people froth at the mouth. Indeed, if you go to a message board thread full about comic-related complaints, you'll find a cycle full of the usual suspects.

I feel like addressing the stereotype only reinforces the stereotype as well. It's like trying to fight violent stereotypes with guns and kung-fu.

But that's my favourite way!

[marvelbhoy]

The thing is, most people who read comics don't worry about "fanboy cliches" or what makes people froth at the mouth. Indeed, if you go to a message board thread full about comic-related complaints, you'll find a cycle full of the usual suspects.

I feel like addressing the stereotype only reinforces the stereotype as well. It's like trying to fight violent stereotypes with guns and kung-fu.

whats wrong with that stereotype, the only way to beat kung-fu is a gun, havent you seen indiana jones?????

[Michael P]

whats wrong wiith trying to lose this stereotype.


Nothing, on the surface, but posting self-congratulatory (and, curiously, anti-intellectual) two-minute hate threads about the topic isn't going to accomplish it. If anything, it makes you look like merely another incarnation of the stereotype, the "I'm a better nerd than you" fanboy.

[marvelbhoy]

seriously now.

i dont agree with that statement.


if that was true we would never get rid of negative stereotypes.


do i even have to quote all the bad stereotypes that are now looked down on because it was right to stand up to them.



cmon now. why cant we stand up to these crazy stereotypes.


i want to be able to say i read comics without people laughing at me. Do i carre in the long run that they do. yeh i do a bit, does it stop me reading comics? nah. do i want people to stop the negative look down, you bet i do.


ill tell you what.

i blame the trekkies




and wait for it





..........its comicons fault.

[dupont2005]

You should probably worry about this.

you should see the people i work with

[dupont2005]

i want to be able to say i read comics without people laughing at me.

then become a man

[marvelbhoy]

[john goodman]quit while you're behind, Captain Banned[/john goodman]

i dont get this quote. sorry

[marvelbhoy]

then become a man


it doesnt stop me reading comics or loving them id just love to be able to read them without that attitude from folk, cmon why cant we stop the reason that people have this attiutude to comics.

[Michael P]

The depth of your lack of understanding of this issue is positively Marianasan.

[Puma]

i dont get this quote. sorry

You seem to want the folks on this board to do what exactly? Laugh at behaviors many of us possess? Bring them out into the open and have an encounter session?

All you need to do to counter the fanboy stereotype is (1) rid yourself of the idea that it is just men on this site; (2)go out into the forums and threads that are not dedicated solely to one publisher/comic; and (3) give up your crusade.

[Cody H]

it doesnt stop me reading comics or loving them id just love to be able to read them without that attitude from folk, cmon why cant we stop the reason that people have this attiutude to comics.The same reason we can't stop people from being judgmental about [insert practically anything here.] I think most of the folks here have kind of come to accept that there tends to be a stigma associated with reading comic books without being overly angry or frustrated about it. That's probably why you aren't really getting alot of people sharing your sentiments.

[Kid Omega]

not giving a shit is step one.

While I empathize with your point that many people equate comic fans with smelly cosplayers at comicon, I have to point out that your reaction to anyone not reading superhero comics is just as closed minded, obnoxious, and incorrect. If you don't like it when people laugh at you for reading X-men, then extend the courtesy you would like to recieve to people who, say, prefer Optic Nerve or The Invisibles.

Savvy?

[marvelbhoy]

The depth of your lack of understanding of this issue is positively Marianasan.

please please please with your massively bigger than me intellect explain what marianasan means.

i must just be a dumb clown.


you also callled me a "im a better nerd than you" cliche. not true but hey you must be the "im more intelligent than you and wont begin to think that im in any way wrong geek":rolleyes:

[Karl O'Neill]

Somebody has a persecution complex.

[Kid Omega]

please please please with your massively bigger than me intellect explain what marianasan means.

i must just be a dumb clown.


you also callled me a "im a better nerd than you" cliche. not true but hey you must be the "im more intelligent than you and wont begin to think that im in any way wrong geek":rolleyes:

GOOGLE MARIANAS

And for gods sake...

Have some dignity.

[marvelbhoy]

The same reason we can't stop people from being judgmental about [insert practically anything here.] I think most of the folks here have kind of come to accept that there tends to be a stigma associated with reading comic books without being overly angry or frustrated about it. That's probably why you aren't really getting alot of people sharing your sentiments.

ok you have came to acept it, fair ennough but should black people just have accepted that they did have to sit on a certain part of the bus. no the shouldnt cause it was wrong.


im betting that for all the people that read these forums (and there is vast more views than posts) more people agree with me but the reason im losing this debate is that the only people who post fall into the exact same stereotype im talking about.


i am sorry about the assuming everyone is a guy but have you ever actually been in a lcs. the vast majority of comic readers are guys. sorry but they are.point taken though

[marvelbhoy]

GOOGLE MARIANAS

And for gods sake...

Have some dignity.

you are the "im more intelligent than you geek" cool. diidnt think that your sort spoke to mine.

let me guess? your at uni doing some sort of science or writing degree or you work as a jounalist/writer/librarian


either that or you are at art school.



bet your a democrat with totally liberal views too.

[mailedbypostman1]

You're forgiven.
*whispering* Did he do something really wrong?

[Kid Omega]

you are the "im more intelligent than you geek" cool. diidnt think that your sort spoke to mine.

let me guess? your at uni doing some sort of science or writing degree or you work as a jounalist/writer/librarian


either that or you are at art school.



bet your a democrat with totally liberal views too.

I'm an unemployed bricklayer with a drinking problem, and no education past 6th grade. I vote a straight constitution party ticket.

But I can use Google.

[marvelbhoy]

I'm an unemployed bricklayer with a drinking problem, and no education past 6th grade. I vote a straight constitution party ticket.

But I can use Google.

do you tell the guys on the building site that you read comics????


point proven. :cool:

[marvelbhoy]

You're forgiven.
*whispering* Did he do something really wrong?


*whisper* i dont think i did but there is far too many sensitive people on here:wink:

[Cody H]

ok you have came to acept it, fair ennough but should black people just have accepted that they did have to sit on a certain part of the bus. no the shouldnt cause it was wrong.I didn't mean to imply that by accepting something, you choose not to do something about it. I was more referring to something along the lines of not letting the fact that some people look down on folks who read comics make them angry. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's not okay to be angry about it, but you probably won't find many others at CBR who share that anger. Also, I don't think the stigma of reading comic books is directly comparable to the kind of discrimination Black individuals have faced because people who read comic books haven't, by virtue of reading comic books, faced discrimination in terms of employment, education, housing opportunities, and violation of rights.

[Kid Omega]

do you tell the guys on the building site that you read comics????


point proven. :cool:

KAPOW!

I have done been scooled. Pwned, even.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

*whisper* i dont think i did but there is far too many sensitive people on here:wink:

Ya don't say?

[Athena Bast]

I'm a girl and I like Neil Gaiman.

[Paul McEnery]

I'm a girl and I like Neil Gaiman.

Ya don't say!

[darkhanamaru]

I'm a girl and I like Neil Gaiman.

but are you a redhead?

[Athena Bast]

but are you a redhead?

:eek: That was our little secret! :redface:

[Chris N]

please please please with your massively bigger than me intellect explain what marianasan means.

i must just be a dumb clown.


you also callled me a "im a better nerd than you" cliche. not true but hey you must be the "im more intelligent than you and wont begin to think that im in any way wrong geek":rolleyes:

Kid Omega may be a dumb bricklayer, but he understands capitalization, spelling, punctuation etc. etc. etc.

If he does look down on you, I see why.

[DonC]

but are you a redhead?


Yes, she is. A hot one, no less.

[marvelbhoy]

is neil gaiman that crabbit old english guy with the big beard????

[marvelbhoy]

Kid Omega may be a dumb bricklayer, but he understands capitalization, spelling, punctuation etc. etc. etc.

If he does look down on you, I see why.

so it ok to look down on people who cant wrote priper england. duh.

thus commence the onslaught of more intellectual snobbery

[Athena Bast]

Yes, she is. A hot one, no less.

Oh shush!

*keep talking*

[Matt Algren]

Awww, you guys got me a troll for Easter! You shouldn't have!!!



To be fair, he's Scottish, so he's probably drunk.

[Spike-X]

is neil gaiman that crabbit old english guy with the big beard????
Yes, that's the one. He wrote the comic of the Watchmen movie, and that one with the little girls having sex.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

is neil gaiman that crabbit old english guy with the big beard????

No, Gaiman does those little pamphlet things you find at the bus station about Our Lord & Saviour Jesus.

[Matt Algren]

Kid Omega may be a dumb bricklayer, but he understands capitalization, spelling, punctuation etc. etc. etc.

If he does look down on you, I see why.
Went up the sixth grade and thinks he's better'n his kin, he does. He's got his eye on young Miss Betsy Perkins, and durned if her eye ain't turned by his fancy words.
so it ok to look down on people who cant wrote priper england. duh.

thus commence the onslaught of more intellectual snobberyIndeed, your assertion would appear to be confirmed by the evidence in this venue. Indubitable, old chap. Indubitable.

[Paul McEnery]

Kid Omega may be a dumb bricklayer, but he understands capitalization, spelling, punctuation etc. etc. etc.

If he does look down on you, I see why.

The ladder, for one thing.

And the scaffolding.











And the elevator shoes.

[Chris N]

so it ok to look down on people who cant wrote priper england. duh.

thus commence the onslaught of more intellectual snobbery

If I do get snobbish, it's because I find most people don't understand my taste in comics and I react.

But especially on this site it seems to be cool to bash Rob Liefeld, when I feel most people don't really get what he is trying to say with his artwork.

Take his character, Smash. Most people see him as a Hulk ripoff, but the comic is actually an homage, that takes the basic premise of Hulk and exaggerates certain aspects to make you think about what it is you're reading.

Most people don't get that and just laugh at Rob and at me. And it gets annoying.

So I apologize if I offended you with my knee-jerk reaction. I think I just became a snob to counter the snobbery I encountered. You know, "laugh at others before they laugh at you".

I never liked Neil Gaiman either. Even his supposedly great work like Sin City is basically an attempt to do exactly what Rob Liefeld had been doing for years.

[Paul McEnery]

Indeed, your assertion would appear to be confirmed by the evidence in this venue. Indubitable, old chap. Indubitable.

Please. Stop using priper English. It makes me feel looked down on.

[Kid Omega]

BIG BIG BIG sorry to anyone I offended... and here's a thread to offend anyone I missed on my first pass.

[Paul McEnery]

BIG BIG BIG sorry to anyone I offended... and here's a thread to offend anyone I missed on my first pass.

And yet I'm still not feeling that my end has been priperly offed.

[DonC]

Oh shush!

*keep talking*



She also loves Jim Balent's comics more than most men. Is that good?


I didn't know there was going to be a quiz.

[ALEX-23]

I'm a girl and I like Neil Gaiman.

So does my girlfriend!

[Paul McEnery]

You sure about that? The only other thing I have is how you boast about giving head like a pro.

Unfortunately, that pro is Lee Trevino.

[marvelbhoy]

Awww, you guys got me a troll for Easter! You shouldn't have!!!



To be fair, he's Scottish, so he's probably drunk.

is true, i am drunk, always drunk. either that or sniffing far to much bad coke.


seriously again though. comic book fanboys take themselves far too seriously. whats wrong with laughing at yourself and the sheer stupid things we all do.


well apart from me cause im a scottish perfect guy

[Athena Bast]

Please. Stop using priper English. It makes me feel looked down on.

it's priper england you tool!

[Paul McEnery]

So does my girlfriend!

Don't worry. He'll tire of her and throw her back in the pool.

[Chris N]

So does my girlfriend!

Fanboys don't have girlfriends.

[Athena Bast]

is true, i am drunk, always drunk. either that or sniffing far to much bad coke.


seriously again though. comic book fanboys take themselves far too seriously. whats wrong with laughing at yourself and the sheer stupid things we all do.


well apart from me cause im a scottish perfect guy

I can think of 4 Scots off the top of my head that are perfecter.

[Paul McEnery]

Fanboys don't have girlfriends.

What? Of course we do. And they all look like Fire, but they've got boobs like Power Girl, but they're all lovely like Wonder Wo...

Oh, you mean real ones.

Sorry.

[Athena Bast]

Fanboys don't have girlfriends.

But they do have moobs!

[DonC]

Unfortunately, that pro is Lee Trevino.


I had a rare moment of class and decided to edit that out. I was hoping no one saw it.

[Puma]

I'm an unemployed bricklayer with a drinking problem, and no education past 6th grade. I vote a straight constitution party ticket.

But I can use Google.

iwarrior? is that you?

[Paul McEnery]

I can think of 4 Scots off the top of my head that perfecter.

Population of Scotland Facts

Here you will find facts and information relating to the population of Scotland and a population density map of the Scottish Regions. Also included are population statistics for each Scottish city, life expectancy, birth rate and the literacy rate in Scotland.
Population 5,144,200
Scotland's Cities – Populations Glasgow 577,980
Edinburgh 446,110
Aberdeen 179,950
Dundee 141,930
Inverness 42,400
Stirling 33,060
Birth rate 10.7 per 1,000 population
Death rate 11.0 per 1,000 population
Net migration rate: 4.1 migrant(s) per 1,000 population
Population growth rate: 0.4%
Life expectancy at birth: male: 74.2 yrs
female: 79.3 yrs
Literacy 99%

[ALEX-23]

Fanboys don't have girlfriends.

Then I guess I'm not a fanboy!

[marvelbhoy]

Population of Scotland Facts

Here you will find facts and information relating to the population of Scotland and a population density map of the Scottish Regions. Also included are population statistics for each Scottish city, life expectancy, birth rate and the literacy rate in Scotland.
Population 5,144,200
Scotland's Cities – Populations Glasgow 577,980
Edinburgh 446,110
Aberdeen 179,950
Dundee 141,930
Inverness 42,400
Stirling 33,060
Birth rate 10.7 per 1,000 population
Death rate 11.0 per 1,000 population
Net migration rate: 4.1 migrant(s) per 1,000 population
Population growth rate: 0.4%
Life expectancy at birth: male: 74.2 yrs
female: 79.3 yrs
Literacy 99%


i dont get what your trying to get to by posting this.



does that all mean that we scottish folk are all crazy drugadled boozers who hate the english. cause we are. and the ones that aint aint bloody scottish

[Chris N]

again. im really sorry but why is my discussion creating hassle from the mods?? unless the mods feel im a actually making a point. do the vast majority of "fanboys" need to try harder to get rid of the negative stereotype. if we dont then what can we do to get rid because god damn there is a reason that i didnt admit to reading comics growing up and there is a reason that people are embarrassed about reading comics and its cause the majority of the out loud and out the closet comic readers are just too damn close to the character on the simpsons.

The vast majority of comic book readers do not fall into the stereotype you describe. Like many stereotypes, it stems from a poor use of statistics causing one to assume that traits exhibited by outstanding members of a particular group will be exhibited my the majority of the group.

There is nothing embarrassing about reading comic books. I am sorry if you feel that there is. As an art form it has proven its legitimacy, and awareness and acceptance of it among the general populace is continually on the rise.

I find that many people around me have not read comics but are quite open to doing so. It is simply a matter of finding them a comic book which aligns with their own interests.

A good first step for you might be to not be embarrassed by the comics you read. Read them whenever you like and don't be afraid to discuss them with your peers. You may generate interest or at least awareness. Good luck.

[Spike-X]

The vast majority of comic book readers do not fall into the stereotype you describe. Like many stereotypes, it stems from a poor use of statistics causing one to assume that traits exhibited by outstanding members of a particular group will be exhibited my the majority of the group.

There is nothing embarrassing about reading comic books. I am sorry if you feel that there is. As an art form it has proven its legitimacy, and awareness and acceptance of it among the general populace is continually on the rise.

I find that many people around me have not read comics but are quite open to doing so. It is simply a matter of finding them a comic book which aligns with their own interests.

A good first step for you might be to not be embarrassed by the comics you read. Read them whenever you like and don't be afraid to discuss them with your peers. You may generate interest or at least awareness. Good luck.
Well, look at you, showing off with your correctly spelled words and punctuation and stuff!

I bet you don't even move your lips when you read, do you?

[Puma]

The vast majority of comic book readers do not fall into the stereotype you describe. Like many stereotypes, it stems from a poor use of statistics causing one to assume that traits exhibited by outstanding members of a particular group will be exhibited my the majority of the group.

There is nothing embarrassing about reading comic books. I am sorry if you feel that there is. As an art form it has proven its legitimacy, and awareness and acceptance of it among the general populace is continually on the rise.

I find that many people around me have not read comics but are quite open to doing so. It is simply a matter of finding them a comic book which aligns with their own interests.

A good first step for you might be to not be embarrassed by the comics you read. Read them whenever you like and don't be afraid to discuss them with your peers. You may generate interest or at least awareness. Good luck.
F*cking Phds.

[Kid Omega]

Well, look at you, showing off with your correctly spelled words and punctuation and stuff!

I bet you don't even move your lips when you read, do you?

he doesn't move his lips when he TALKS!

And sometimes he drinks a glass of water, while Knobby Mapleface keeps on talking.

It's awesome. "Im not the dummy... You're the dummy!!"

[marvelbhoy]

Well, look at you, showing off with your correctly spelled words and punctuation and stuff!

I bet you don't even move your lips when you read, do you?


HAH. you just made me laugh out loud. your my favourite posterr.


for the moment

[ALEX-23]

I don't think someone should be embarrassed about read comics, but I do think its embarrassing when someone talks about them 24/7 and speak of them as if they are reality! I've met people like that! Not too many of them, but I've seen it.