I lost the X-Men years ago...

[GHalecki]

but I really wish that I could get back into them.

I was as big an X-Men fan way back in the day as anyone could be. I started to lose my affection for the team during the Australia days, but I held on through the period when they launched the second series. Not long after that, it got to the point where I just couldn't care any more. New Mutants, my favorite title for years, was completely gutted and dessicrated, to be replace by that monstrosity called X-Force. I suffered through years of charachters that were just so crappy no matter how "cool" they were hyped as being (Gambit, Bishop, Cable etc). They kept ramming new charachters into the books when they already had plenty of good ones to go around (did we really need Marrow, Maggot, Celia, Feral and others?) Plus they kept brining on EVIL MUTANTS for god knows what reason (Sabretooth, Mystique, White Queen). Good guys turning bad, bad guys turning good, various brainwashings and so on...

I would still grab a random book here and there for a few years, hoping it would spark something in me, but it never did.

The only bright spots in that period was PAD's great X-Factor run. But as for the X-Men themselves, it just paled before the greatness that used to be. I had really great hopes when it looked like they were completely revamping with an all new team (when Jean put together that team with Northstar and the others to fight Magneto), but that lasted about five minutes.

Can there be any hope for me to come home to my X-Men again? The various things that I have read about what has happened over the years isn't encouraging at all. That whole secondary mutation thing is just so lame (my poor, poor, beast). Aparently Prof X turned out to be a slimy "ends justify the means" hypocrite after all. Scott actually formed an assasination team to go out and KILL people? Anyone even remotely affiliated with the X-Men accepting the White Queen as one of the good guys, enough that she is actually calling the shots about anything, ever? It was one thing when Charles was utilizing her talents and abilities to run a school in Generation X, because he was around (and still of virtuous charchter supposedly) to keep her in check, and Banshee was on site to keep an eye on her in that capacity. That is stretching things far enough for interesting charachterization, but this is rediculous.

Is there any hope for me?

[Slant]

Probably not.

[Novaya Havoc]

Probably not.

Co-signed.

There is always Essential Dazzler, however.

[$5 Milkshake]

Probably not.

lol I was gonna say the same. And not to be snarky, either. Judging from your post, I dont think you'll be "finding" the X-Men you're looking for right now.

[visi]

Claremont's redoing the X history his own way with X Men Forever starting in June I think that may be a little closer to what you miss, other than that you might be as well off to forget about it based on your above y comments

[long live jean grey]

The current X-Men, and Marvel in general, sucks. It's being written for people with short attention spans and 13 year olds.

Summary of X-Men:

Look no more mutants! (Almost)

Look claws! Look Sex! Look Dinosaur/Godzilla thingy

Look HUGE BOOBS!

Look who's good now! Look who's evil now!

Look (insert unimportant character) died!

Look Cyclops is cool/badass/gangsta/awesome! Plus his girlfriend is hot!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look HUGE BOOBS.


There, that is X-Men over the past 5 or 6 years. You're not missing anything.

[DeniseXfrost]

Anyone even remotely affiliated with the X-Men accepting the White Queen as one of the good guys, enough that she is actually calling the shots about anything, ever? It was one thing when Charles was utilizing her talents and abilities to run a school in Generation X, because he was around (and still of virtuous charchter supposedly) to keep her in check, and Banshee was on site to keep an eye on her in that capacity. That is stretching things far enough for interesting charachterization, but this is rediculous.
You're ridculous.

[Novaya Havoc]

The current X-Men, and Marvel in general, sucks. It's being written for people with short attention spans and 13 year olds.

Summary of X-Men:

Look no more mutants! (Almost)

Look claws! Look Sex! Look Dinosaur/Godzilla thingy

Look HUGE BOOBS!

Look who's good now! Look who's evil now!

Look (insert unimportant character) died!

Look Cyclops is cool/badass/gangsta/awesome! Plus his girlfriend is hot!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look HUGE BOOBS.


There, that is X-Men over the past 5 or 6 years. You're not missing anything.

This summary is epic. Marvel should print a one-shot "Chronology of the X-Men" and just print this. It's spot on.

[$5 Milkshake]

The current X-Men, and Marvel in general, sucks. It's being written for people with short attention spans and 13 year olds.

Summary of X-Men:

Look no more mutants! (Almost)

Look claws! Look Sex! Look Dinosaur/Godzilla thingy

Look HUGE BOOBS!

Look who's good now! Look who's evil now!

Look (insert unimportant character) died!

Look Cyclops is cool/badass/gangsta/awesome! Plus his girlfriend is hot!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look HUGE BOOBS.


There, that is X-Men over the past 5 or 6 years. You're not missing anything.

Past 5-6 years? All this you described has been part of the X-Men melodrama for quite a long time now. Except the "Hot girlfriend" thing, that's pretty new. Jean was always more vanilla than sexy. It used to be "Look! Cyclops' girlfriend is going crazy again!".

[Jake V]

If you love something, you should set it free.

You'll know if it was ever truly yours if it comes back to you.

[Omega Alpha]

Hey, look, a post dedicated to rant about the current state of comics, that also includes a Jean Grey fan whining about Emma. That's new and unexpected.

[NewMutant]

You're ridculous.

Agreed. Magneto was just handed the school... but thats ok. Emma works her way from Gen X as a leader of a spin off team, to New X-Men joining the A-team, to Astonishing as headmistess of the school. Shes worked her way and has been a hero longer than a villian. The most "evil" thing she did was kill Firestar's hourse... which wasn't even in a main x-title.

I agree that it gets frustrating to have villians bounce back and forth. Sabbretooth was never really on the team in my mind. In the 90s he was prisoner and in Careys run he was just staying with them for protection.

Mystique makes a little more because she's really only on her side. Thats what was nice about Mystique in X-Factor is she was forced to be there. I personally like her a double agent in solo series.

But Juggernaut was a bit of a shocker... really?

It worked to have Magneto fail at trying Xaviers dream... and I'm glad they did that. But the X-Men would not have just agreed to have him be incharge of the New Mutants all of sudden. There wasn't a transition period really just him agreeing to go on trail. Joseph should have been Magneto it was a way to have him on the team and them come back in this crazy way... but then they screwed that up.

With X-Men the series is based on a belief, who is really to say Magneto is wrong. Or now they are fighting for survival so its not that far a strech to have all mutants working together. Emma works better as a character who is working her to redemption, where Magneto works as someone who tried and failed. But there needs to be lines. I just hope we never have Cassandra Nova on the X-team.

[TJKernan]

I blame the Siege Perilous.

Once they stepped through, everything started sliding to the crapper.

Just read your back issues and Essentials good sir, cuz your team ain't coming back anything soon!

[long live jean grey]

Hey, look, a post dedicated to rant about the current state of comics, that also includes a Jean Grey fan whining about Emma. That's new and unexpected.

Well Emma's a big part of the "the story is iffy but look there's sex!" mentality.

And it's not as if I would just be okay with everything if Jean was brought back. That wouldn't change the fact that the depowering of most mutants and the elimination or conversion of all of the X-Men's credible enemies doesn't make any freaking sense. And what is with the constant events? Just tell some good stories and you don't have to hype up all these stretched-out wannabe blockbuster type events.

It's not about Emma and that's where Emma's fans get annoying. I want the franchise rebooted because it's in a rut and if the powers that be were to put Scemma together from the start of the new series, I wouldn't care. Just let Red and some of the other characters outside of Scott, Emma and Beast do something.


And ENOUGH WITH UNCANNY'S SAUSAGE-FEST!

[DeniseXfrost]

It's not about Emma and that's where Emma's fans get annoying.
Huh? what?

[long live jean grey]

Huh? what?

I was responding to the guy who said Jean fans always complain about Emma or something like that. I was just saying that a Jean fan can dislike the current status quo without it being because of Emma.

[DeniseXfrost]

I was responding to the guy who said Jean fans always complain about Emma or something like that. I was just saying that a Jean fan can dislike the current status quo without it being because of Emma.
Well you did make yourself look like a lunatic Jean grey fan who clearly has a grudge over a fictional character's new girlfriend.

[long live jean grey]

Well they are pushing her kinda hard...

And she is the only female character that gets any panel-space...


It's just like "Okay we get it. Emma's hot and awesome. Now where is Jean and Ororo and why is no one worried about Kitty Pryde?"

[DeniseXfrost]

Well they are pushing her kinda hard...

And she is the only female character that gets any panel-space...


It's just like "Okay we get it. Emma's hot and awesome. Now where is Jean and Ororo and why is no one worried about Kitty Pryde?"
Fraction couldn't write any character, period. Not just Emma.

Jean is dead and Ororo is currently occupying in Wakanda. Kitty pride- stuck in a magical giant bullet and there is nothing the x-men can do about it.

[Sean Whitmore]

Summary of X-Men:

Look no more mutants! (Almost)

Look claws! Look Sex! Look Dinosaur/Godzilla thingy

Look HUGE BOOBS!

Look who's good now! Look who's evil now!

Look (insert unimportant character) died!

Look Cyclops is cool/badass/gangsta/awesome! Plus his girlfriend is hot!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look HUGE BOOBS.


There, that is X-Men over the past 5 or 6 years. You're not missing anything.


HA!

Try the last 25 years.


SEAN

[$5 Milkshake]

HA!

Try the last 25 years.


SEAN

I already said that!

You always did idolize me.

[Sean Whitmore]

I already said that!

You always did idolize me.

Yours was good, mine was better.

The difference?

Showmanship.


SEAN

[$5 Milkshake]

Yours was good, mine was better.

The difference?

Showmanship.


SEAN

I cant argue with that. Your presentation, as always, was flawless.

[Sean Whitmore]

I cant argue with that. Your presentation, as always, was flawless.

It's like in ice skating. Good form will always squeeze that last half a point out of that stingy Russian judge with the bad toupee whose wife is waiting across the street in the hotel room with one of the hot young Puerto Rican waiters from the Italian restuarant in the lobby.


SEAN

[Joe Acro]

Can there be any hope for me to come home to my X-Men again?
You have a few options.

Exiles--It's not based in the standard Marvel timeline, just started up, and might overall be fresh for you.

First Class titles--They're set in the past, perhaps in times you enjoyed (all are currently pre-Outback).

X-Men Forever--Claremont's vision of what he would have done had he not left after X-Men #3, which might be too late in the timeline for you.

And, maybe a few offshoot titles like individual mags (Deadpool, Cable, Wolverine, etc.) or other alternate reality titles, as well.

[$5 Milkshake]

It's like in ice skating. Good form will always squeeze that last half a point out of that stingy Russian judge with the bad toupee whose wife is waiting across the street in the hotel room with one of the hot young Puerto Rican waiters from the Italian restuarant in the lobby.


SEAN

I've always loved that saying.

[Sean Whitmore]

I've always loved that saying.

Not everyone does.

I used that expression one time, and some woman says to me, "Why does the waiter have to be Puerto Rican?"

And I'm like, "Well jeez, lady, he doesn't HAVE to be, but his mother was a Puerto Rican, his father was a Puerto Rican, what d'ya think he should be, Irish?"


SEAN

[T Hedge Coke]

Summary of X-Men:

Look no more mutants! (Almost)

Look claws! Look Sex! Look Dinosaur/Godzilla thingy

Look HUGE BOOBS!

Look who's good now! Look who's evil now!

Look (insert unimportant character) died!

Look Cyclops is cool/badass/gangsta/awesome! Plus his girlfriend is hot!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look at Cyclops' hot girlfriend!

Look HUGE BOOBS.


There, that is X-Men over the past 5 or 6 years.

That's a summary of the X-Men over the past thirty years. Occasionally you could switch "girlfriend" with wife, and sometimes you just switched "Cyclops" with "Storm", but yeah, that's about it. Slightly more range of boob size.

[NewMutant]

Well they are pushing her kinda hard...

And she is the only female character that gets any panel-space...


It's just like "Okay we get it. Emma's hot and awesome. Now where is Jean and Ororo and why is no one worried about Kitty Pryde?"

I agree. But that is new though... basically since Fraction took over. And hopefuly it will change with this Sisterhood arc. Storm is stuck having no development in the X-World because of BP.

The main problem is Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, and Emma are always the focus of the story. I don't mind them on the main team, they probably should be, however still focus on other characters.

[NielsVanEekelen]

New Mutants, my favorite title for years, was completely gutted and dessicrated, to be replace by that monstrosity called X-Force.

Well, I see that this thread has become another round in the contest of who can shout "X-MEN COMICS SUCK!" the loudest, like so many threads here do. :rolleyes:

But if that hasn't scared you off entirely, you should check out the new New Mutants series starting in May--we have high hopes for that, and the very least you'll get is a book about classic characters you love.

[x_goalkeeper]

It seems like you liked the X-Men before and not now? It would be frustrating to wait and hope that it becomes like before again.. because it probably would not happen.

Maybe the X-Men is not your type any more.. but there are many others that you may appreciate more than X-men?

[Sean Whitmore]

Well, I see that this thread has become another round in the contest of who can shout "X-MEN COMICS SUCK!" the loudest, like so many threads here do. :rolleyes:

Well, that's how it started, where else did you expect it to go?


SEAN

[NielsVanEekelen]

Well, that's how it started, where else did you expect it to go?


SEAN

Okay, true enough. But at least the original poster seems to be looking for something positive--guess I grabbed hold of that rare spark and ran with it.

[The Blinkmeister]

Is there any hope for me?

Mmmm.....let's see the evidence.




I had really great hopes when it looked like they were completely revamping with an all new team (when Jean put together that team with Northstar and the others to fight Magneto), but that lasted about five minutes.


Nope, the answer seems to be that you have to give up. LOL! The Eve of Destruction arc :redface:

[GHalecki]

Someone obviously mistook me for some sort of rabid Jean fan upset that Scott has a new girlfriend.

I never particularly cared for Jean myself. I got into the book after she died, and always looked back at the charachter from the perspective of "she is the one that became Phoenix and died". When she came back the first time, it was mildly interesting from the aspect of a dead teammate comes back from the dead (back in the day before it was something that happened once a year).

I have no problem with Scott hooking up with someone else. Just not a murderous villian who was partially respincible for Phoenix going dark to begin with, and who did various other nasty things to the team.

Charles handed over the school to Magneto. That was a very diferent matter all together. Charles and Magneto went way back. Charles knew that there WAS a time before he went evil, and wanted to help him get back on that path. Sure it was a risk, but at least there was a rationality to it, agree with it or not. Charles had reason to think that Magneto WANTED to change.

Emma, from what I remember, never actually reformed. She just changed her tactics. When she first hooked up with Generation X, I don't remember her ever saying that "yes I did horrible evil things, and I am sorry because I want to make ammends". It was more like "well, that didn't work for me so well. It was a good run while it lasted, but I am going to try this for a while."

[Omega Alpha]

Someone obviously mistook me for some sort of rabid Jean fan upset that Scott has a new girlfriend.

No, I haven't. But threads like these are Jean rabid fanboys' magnet (and they appeared shortly after your post).

[The Blinkmeister]

I have no problem with Scott hooking up with someone else. Just not a murderous villian who was partially respincible for Phoenix going dark to begin with, and who did various other nasty things to the team..

Perhaps that turned him on :cool:




Charles handed over the school to Magneto. That was a very diferent matter all together. Charles and Magneto went way back. Charles knew that there WAS a time before he went evil, and wanted to help him get back on that path. Sure it was a risk, but at least there was a rationality to it, agree with it or not. Charles had reason to think that Magneto WANTED to change.

I always thought that Xavier was rather gullible during that time (the aftermath of which probably caused him to fry his brains out of remorse). Then again, the poor bloke was dying :wink:




Emma, from what I remember, never actually reformed. She just changed her tactics. When she first hooked up with Generation X, I don't remember her ever saying that "yes I did horrible evil things, and I am sorry because I want to make ammends". It was more like "well, that didn't work for me so well. It was a good run while it lasted, but I am going to try this for a while."

Well, you got plenty of other villains that you could say the same for (Sabretooth, Mystique, Lady Mastermind). Actually, at least two out of those three actually mortally wounded a member of the big X-family (which is probably more then Emma ever did).

Also don't forget that if you believe the retcon Xavier knew her before her Hellfire days (he tried to recruite her) and that the Generation X thing was done out of remorse for the loss of her hellions (as a social integration project from Xavier).

[DeniseXfrost]

Someone obviously mistook me for some sort of rabid Jean fan upset that Scott has a new girlfriend.

I never particularly cared for Jean myself. I got into the book after she died, and always looked back at the charachter from the perspective of "she is the one that became Phoenix and died". When she came back the first time, it was mildly interesting from the aspect of a dead teammate comes back from the dead (back in the day before it was something that happened once a year).

I have no problem with Scott hooking up with someone else. Just not a murderous villian who was partially respincible for Phoenix going dark to begin with, and who did various other nasty things to the team.

Charles handed over the school to Magneto. That was a very diferent matter all together. Charles and Magneto went way back. Charles knew that there WAS a time before he went evil, and wanted to help him get back on that path. Sure it was a risk, but at least there was a rationality to it, agree with it or not. Charles had reason to think that Magneto WANTED to change.

Emma, from what I remember, never actually reformed. She just changed her tactics. When she first hooked up with Generation X, I don't remember her ever saying that "yes I did horrible evil things, and I am sorry because I want to make ammends". It was more like "well, that didn't work for me so well. It was a good run while it lasted, but I am going to try this for a while."
You obviously didn't know her character well then.

[Joe Acro]

You obviously didn't know her character well then.
Then pull the stick out and explain it to him.

[Slung]

You're ridculous.
Denise, I love you, you know that, but...well, you see, people who started reading the X-Men prior to 1994 have a less optimistic view of Emma Frost. Its hard for some to believe anyone would ever trust her after the things she did. I'm not making a judgement call, just saying you shouldn't judge the views of others.

Past 5-6 years? All this you described has been part of the X-Men melodrama for quite a long time now. Except the "Hot girlfriend" thing, that's pretty new. Jean was always more vanilla than sexy. It used to be "Look! Cyclops' girlfriend is going crazy again!".
I find this idea that Jean is vanilla...a little bit disingenuous. I'm watching you. Closely.

Hey, look, a post dedicated to rant about the current state of comics, that also includes a Jean Grey fan whining about Emma. That's new and unexpected.
And this one too.

No, I haven't. But threads like these are Jean rabid fanboys' magnet (and they appeared shortly after your post).
You seem to have targeted Jean Grey fans. Your prejudice is not becoming.

You obviously didn't know her character well then.
Or, he knows her character differently than you do. People have different views on things. Its okay.

[DeniseXfrost]

Then pull the stick out and explain it to him.
After you pull the double dildo out of your ass.
Denise, I love you, you know that, but...well, you see, people who started reading the X-Men prior to 1994 have a less optimistic view of Emma Frost. Its hard for some to believe anyone would ever trust her after the things she did. I'm not making a judgement call, just saying you shouldn't judge the views of others.

Or, he knows her character differently than you do. People have different views on things. Its okay.
Aw I just love your condescending attitude :tongue: but that Ghaleki person just sounds ignorant.

[Slung]

After you pull the double dildo out of your ass.
I knew you could be pleasant to the help if you tried! *smooch*
Aw I just love your condescending attitude :tongue: but that Ghaleki person just sounds ignorant.
Of course you do. I'm irresistible to women.

[DeniseXfrost]

I knew you could be pleasant to the help if you tried! *smooch*

Pulling his double dildo out? I need more grease.

[Omega Alpha]

Talk about comics, not each other

[Slung]

Talk about comics, not each other

Speaking of sticks, dildos and ruby quartz vizors stuck in tight places...

[Prodigy55]

This thread is disgusting.

[Greg Anderson]

Just read X-Factor.

[NewMutant]

Charles handed over the school to Magneto. That was a very diferent matter all together. Charles and Magneto went way back. Charles knew that there WAS a time before he went evil, and wanted to help him get back on that path. Sure it was a risk, but at least there was a rationality to it, agree with it or not. Charles had reason to think that Magneto WANTED to change.

Emma, from what I remember, never actually reformed. She just changed her tactics. When she first hooked up with Generation X, I don't remember her ever saying that "yes I did horrible evil things, and I am sorry because I want to make ammends". It was more like "well, that didn't work for me so well. It was a good run while it lasted, but I am going to try this for a while."

The only reason Charles had to believe Magneto wanted to change was hope... which is perfectly fair. But that doesn't mean all the X-Men would have agreed to it. Angel left the team because of Wolverine... yet Magneto taking over was just ok. The X-Men were just following Xavier's wishes... just like they were when he offered Emma to co-head Gen X.

People just don't think Emma actually "reformed" because her personality remained the same... she is/was still a bitch and the only thing she regrets was the loss of her students. But just because shes a bitch doesn't mean she can't be a hero. And in reguards to ur "Emma quote"... Emma would never fully apologize to anyone however... New X-Men Annual... on the boat to Tokyo to Cyke:

"I deserve sympathy for the sins of the past, not scorn. Those were difficult days; I was probably out of my mind on drink or drugs. It's not always about "good" and "evil," Scott dear.

Your X-Men are currently the only credible alternative to a world where mutants are simply ghettoized, persecuted, and exterminated."

And thats just the first quote that has come to mind. Whedon, Kyle, and Yost's Emma was always practicely all about gulit and the burden of her past. And its not like the all the X-Men have fully embraced her. Shadowcat and Moonstar were constantly questioning/fighting with her. Storm left the team because she didn't agree with how Cyclops and Emma lead things.

Lets not forget Rogue, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver were all villians first too.

[Valjean999]

Jean is dead and Ororo is currently occupying in Wakanda. Kitty pride- stuck in a magical giant bullet and there is nothing the x-men can do about it.

But only for now

[NickFury90]

ITT: Typical X-fans. All we need now is someone complaining about Wolverine over-exposure and this thread will be complete.

[Alex A Sanchez]

but I really wish that I could get back into them.

I was as big an X-Men fan way back in the day as anyone could be. I started to lose my affection for the team during the Australia days, but I held on through the period when they launched the second series. Not long after that, it got to the point where I just couldn't care any more. New Mutants, my favorite title for years, was completely gutted and dessicrated, to be replace by that monstrosity called X-Force. I suffered through years of charachters that were just so crappy no matter how "cool" they were hyped as being (Gambit, Bishop, Cable etc). They kept ramming new charachters into the books when they already had plenty of good ones to go around (did we really need Marrow, Maggot, Celia, Feral and others?) Plus they kept brining on EVIL MUTANTS for god knows what reason (Sabretooth, Mystique, White Queen). Good guys turning bad, bad guys turning good, various brainwashings and so on...

I would still grab a random book here and there for a few years, hoping it would spark something in me, but it never did.

The only bright spots in that period was PAD's great X-Factor run. But as for the X-Men themselves, it just paled before the greatness that used to be. I had really great hopes when it looked like they were completely revamping with an all new team (when Jean put together that team with Northstar and the others to fight Magneto), but that lasted about five minutes.

Can there be any hope for me to come home to my X-Men again? The various things that I have read about what has happened over the years isn't encouraging at all. That whole secondary mutation thing is just so lame (my poor, poor, beast). Aparently Prof X turned out to be a slimy "ends justify the means" hypocrite after all. Scott actually formed an assasination team to go out and KILL people? Anyone even remotely affiliated with the X-Men accepting the White Queen as one of the good guys, enough that she is actually calling the shots about anything, ever? It was one thing when Charles was utilizing her talents and abilities to run a school in Generation X, because he was around (and still of virtuous charchter supposedly) to keep her in check, and Banshee was on site to keep an eye on her in that capacity. That is stretching things far enough for interesting charachterization, but this is rediculous.

Is there any hope for me?

YES!!!! Fortunately for you, PAD is in the middle of another great X-Factor run!

The current X-Men, and Marvel in general, sucks. It's being written for people with short attention spans and 13 year olds.

Summary of X-Men:

Look (insert unimportant character) died!


Caliban and Boom Boom have relevance to fans of the older X-Men stories. :mad:

Peepers, no. Only WBE seems to care about him.

[Elayis]

I agree. But that is new though... basically since Fraction took over. And hopefuly it will change with this Sisterhood arc. Storm is stuck having no development in the X-World because of BP.

The main problem is Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, and Emma are always the focus of the story. I don't mind them on the main team, they probably should be, however still focus on other characters.

I'd have to argue that it started earlier than Fraction, since Brubaker started. If you really look at his run, there was nothing of substance. Just a whole bunch of cool moments. I mean, did that "Russian Fight Scene(s)/Hippie Love" arc really have a point?

The only X-men title that I've read in the last 4 years that had any substance was Astonishing X-Men, while Whedon was on. But, I also had the advantage that the comic wasn't a must-read for me, so I just picked up the trades when they happened to come out. The delays didn't affect me at all.

I just wish we had some good character stuff, instead of shuffling from cool moment to cool moment. Here's hoping that the DA/UXM crossover channel's Fraction's ability on Invincible Iron Man, and not Uncanny X-Men.

[Agent_Torpor]

Don't look back you can never look back.

[nikbackm]

Don't look back you can never look back.

You can't? I am doing that all the time.

Or maybe you meant go back.

[Agent_Torpor]

You can't? I am doing that all the time.

Or maybe you meant go back.

I can't be arsed to remember the rest of that song.

[NewMutant]

I'd have to argue that it started earlier than Fraction, since Brubaker started. If you really look at his run, there was nothing of substance. Just a whole bunch of cool moments. I mean, did that "Russian Fight Scene(s)/Hippie Love" arc really have a point?

The only X-men title that I've read in the last 4 years that had any substance was Astonishing X-Men, while Whedon was on. But, I also had the advantage that the comic wasn't a must-read for me, so I just picked up the trades when they happened to come out. The delays didn't affect me at all.

I just wish we had some good character stuff, instead of shuffling from cool moment to cool moment. Here's hoping that the DA/UXM crossover channel's Fraction's ability on Invincible Iron Man, and not Uncanny X-Men.

That's true... it basically started post MC. But it wasn't as bad till now.

I PRAY the crossover is good. It has the potential to be GREAT. And I love Fraction's Iron Man.

[Disco Jess Minge]

Maybe the X-Men is not your type any more.. but there are many others that you may appreciate more than X-men?

The Authority was a nice bench warmer between Claremont's first train wreck of a comeback and Grant Morrison's run.

[NickFury90]

I hear Captain Britain and Secret Six are some fantastic team books.

[TJKernan]

I hear Captain Britain and Secret Six are some fantastic team books.


Yeah, both of those are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better reads than X-sleepers right now. Sad, really.