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Superboy Sr
04-10-2009, 12:25 PM
If you brought Jason Todd back,what would you do different?I would have made him like the Racer X of the Batman Family, he's the middle son of the Bat thus he would feel like he has something to prove. Ed Brubaker did a great job with bringing Bucky Barnes, I like that Winnick brought back Jason & his Outsiders first twenty issues were great but he needed to have a better plan like Ed Brubaker did with Captain America because DC you dropped the ball with the Outsiders and the resurrection of Jason Todd

4thHorseman
04-10-2009, 12:34 PM
I actually liked what Winick was originally doing. Someone with the training from Batman who felt that criminals shouldn't simply be let go since they keep coming back, and it was nice since he had personal experience with the whole idea too to strengthen his claim. He could have been like the bad reflection of Batman.

carabas
04-10-2009, 01:32 PM
...his Outsiders first twenty issues were great but he needed to have a better plan like Ed Brubaker did with Captain America because DC you dropped the ball with the Outsiders and the resurrection of Jason Todd What Ed Brubaker does, planning out years ahead of time, is something almost nodody does. And in defense of Winick's Outsiders, whatver plans he may or may not have had (as were almost every other writer's long term plans - Rucka on Wonder Woman, Gail Simone on Action comics and so on) were abruptly wiped out by DC's forced One Year Later move.

Cayman
04-10-2009, 01:35 PM
I would've had him be Nightwing's arch-enemy.

stillanerd
04-10-2009, 04:40 PM
Well, even though I would have much rather have let him stay dead, the way I'd go about it is to first of all scrap the entire Superboy Prime retcon punch, which was downright ridiculous and has no business being tied to the Batman comics. It would have strictly involved the Lazarus Pit's, with Ra's Al Ghul's henchmen switching the body of Jason Todd, since Jason's death DID take place in the Middle East. It would be revealed that, since Jason was still fresh, the Lazarus Pit would still have worked and revived him. The reason behind this is that Ra's, in case Batman continued to refuse his acceptance to take his place, wanted a "second heir," and so trains him in the ways of the League of Assassins (just like the Annual showed).

However, Jason, believing that Bruce abandoned him, decides to get his revenge first by systematically destroying him and then ruling Gotham in his own terms. In other words, Jason Todd would have been Hush all along, and none of that Tommy Elliot or Clayface fake-out crap. Thus, it sets up Jason as an "evil Robin," one who decides to become everything his mentor fought against in order to break him, sort of symbolic of how children rebel from their parents. And the irony would be that becoming a villain isn't what Jason wanted to be, but now feels it's too late, that he was destined to become his father figure's enemy all along.

Retro315
04-10-2009, 08:29 PM
I would have brought him back as a ghost in some 70's style inspired story where Batman thinks he's losing his mind. Even though that was "kind of" the intent with Clayface looking like Jason in Hush, I'd have gone all out ... and had it go down some very creepy avenues, where Bruce is asking weird questions and worrying Alfred, going down some dark places, questioning his own sanity and rational mind, but ultimately the ghost would help him get closure with his parents or something. Something "street-level supernatural".

Doing the whole 20/20 Hindsight thing, I guess if Bruce wasn't R.I.P. and Jason wasn't brought back two Crises ago ... Blackest Night would've had a lot more impact if Jason was the zombie Black Lantern plaguing Bruce after all these years.

Captain Jim
04-10-2009, 09:10 PM
I agree with a lot of what's already been said.

First of all, I probably would have left him dead.

However, Winick's original premise, that a Jason who returns as a criminal would be Bruce's greatest nightmare, had a lot of promise. And I think he was doing a decent job with it before he was yanked from the book for OYL.

So, I guess I would have kept Winick on the Batman book longer, and wouldn't have let anyone else touch Jason for a long time. And I particularly would not have allowed him to be a part of Countdown.

Name Already Taken
04-10-2009, 09:40 PM
My only experience with Winick's Jason was Under the Hood, which I liked.

As for Jason being brought back, well he might have been better off dead. If he needed to be brought back by editorial mandate or some other tomfoolery, this is how I would have done it if a writer for that story...

No retcon punch. No wacky explanation about some Superman from a destroyed Earth punching ripples in reality that caused him of all people, to come back to life.

Talia, on some wacked out lovesick-binge would have somehow acquired Jason's body and dipped him in a Lazurus Pit as payback or way to prove her love as some sort of strange token for the loss of her Father from the last time he and Bats went at it. Something with Jason's health was wrong, and it is known that the Pit messes with your mind for a little bit after imersion. Jason would have come out insane, and been locked away by the League of Shadows (whatever they're called now) at Talia's request. For him being insane Talia was loathe the present her 'gift' to Bruce as time passed by. While Jason was kept under her care, he would have grown to resent Bruce for abandoning or giving up on him.

Too prove himself to Batman, he would have sought him out in much the same way he did in Hush and Under the Hood. The latent tendency of a somewhat immoral line to walk as a Robin would have carried out farther from his exposure to the pit (like a side effect) such as his newfound ease of violence and killing. It would be an easy retcon down the line to 'blame the ressurection' for his current sociopathic state, especially after finding out he had been repleced by Tim, even though Batman never forgot him or who he was as a protege.

This would lead Jason to be bitter and confused, feeling Bruce was weak in some way, and that he could actually do what Batman couldn't in his war on crime, like actually killing criminals to get things done on a more permanent basis so they wouldn't keep coming back to haunt him every time Arkham blows up or there was a mass escape.

For the storylines I mentioned above, I would have had Hush actually be Jason the entire time (along with Tommy), so there was no switch out with clayface halfway through the fight with, while working in tandem with Tommy Elliot to take down Bruce as a known ghost from his past and also a second, unseen one. I would have kept under the hood the same for the most part, save for some tweaks to fit my personal retcon for Todd.

I haven't read too many of the other stories with JT except for Countdown, but that would be how I would have written his character if he had to be brought back. From the fractured mind of a guy who was brought back to life, only to find he had no meaning or purpose from before and seemingly abandoned and replaced by his mentor without anything more than a glass case with a costume in it in the batcave. I would have liked to see Jason written as a pissed off adolescent who didnt veiw himself as good enough with a chip on his shoulder greater than it already is in current continuity.

So far that got that part nailed down pretty well. As a character, he serves as a great counterpoint and foil to Dick and Tim should he be needed. Every family has a black sheep. It would be nice if they showed him with more positive qualities to look forward to like they tried to briefly in Countdown. A mini would be a decent way to explore this.

/Didn't mean to write an essay for only a few changes I would have made, but hopefully to a few people it made some sense.

Name Already Taken
04-10-2009, 09:54 PM
Sorry if I misplaced a few words above. I was born partially deaf, so sometimes things are out of place or omitted when I proofread, or I miss them entirely. Things do not always come out right in text, I just try and emulate things I have seen before in forums :rolleyes:

Crowforge
04-10-2009, 10:14 PM
I'd make him a Black Lantern and Batman would be forced to wield his green lantern ring to stop him.

Dragen
04-11-2009, 05:55 PM
I'd kill him off again. Most. Useless. Character. Ever.