What do you thikn is Power Girl's position in the modern-day Superman family/ DCU ?

[CMBMOOL]

I mean is she like the Black sheep of the family, due to her history and memories of the past ?

Is she the Universe's biggest hic-up and doesn't know what do to with her since her old world is gone ?

She maybe getting her own ongoing series, but after this long ?

Here I was hoping for her to tie-into Blackest Night due to the return of Earth-2 Superman and yet she still going to be the supporting character to the JSA tie-in to the event.

I mean what do you all think of Power Girl, beyond the sex appeal :evilangry:, and her position in the Superman family and the entire DCU ?

[Mat001]

That's what her monthly series is about to cover. It'll be starting very soon. They wanted to have some issues in the can before launching. Not to mention the Terra mini-series that came out earlier.

As to Superman, she's not going to be tying into the Superman books, but rather her own book and the JSA. The JSA will be where she deals with Kal-L.

[CMBMOOL]

That's what her monthly series is about to cover. It'll be starting very soon. They wanted to have some issues in the can before launching. Not to mention the Terra mini-series that came out earlier.

As to Superman, she's not going to be tying into the Superman books, but rather her own book and the JSA. The JSA will be where she deals with Kal-L.

I truly think it's ashamed, because she has all of Superman/Supergirl's powers and ablities, but she restricted to The JSA due to her not having any connections to the modern-day Superman mythos. :frown:

[celticguy]

I truly think it's ashamed, because she has all of Superman/Supergirl's powers and ablities, but she restricted to The JSA due to her not having any connections to the modern-day Superman mythos. :frown:

it beats being stuck in titans or the outsiders.

[Deadpooligan]

I mean what do you all think of Power Girl, beyond the sex appeal :evilangry:, and her position in the Superman family and the entire DCU ?

>Power Girl's position
>beyond the sex appeal

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[CMBMOOL]

>Power Girl's position
>beyond the sex appeal

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Hey no body's perfect.

[WorstThingUS]

I truly think it's ashamed, because she has all of Superman/Supergirl's powers and ablities, but she restricted to The JSA due to her not having any connections to the modern-day Superman mythos. :frown:

It's ridiculous is what it is. On one hand she's got all this love for Kal-L and she misses him but has zero interest in knowing Kal-El? As I've said before, I didn't have much interest in Busiek's stories on Superman, but he got the characters right and PG was in fact very much part of the Superman family, being mentioned and making appearances.

>Power Girl's position
>beyond the sex appeal

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Be strong!

[F1uke]

What do you thikn is Power Girl's position in the modern-day Superman family/ DCU ?

Doggie Style.

[F1uke]

>Power Girl's position
>beyond the sex appeal

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LMAO just read the thread after responding, looks like I don't have as much restraint...

[Toonimator]

Hey no body's perfect.
You sayin' PG is fat?

kidding aside, I get that "The JSA is her home" but it's just this weird big missed opportunity, it seems, to keep her excluded from the Superman family. Just as it was weird to keep KC Supes isolated in the JSA for so long, too. Maybe after all the New Krypton stuff has died down, Supergirl & PG can learn to get along better, PG can hang out with Supes more... hell, even NOW she should be kinda interested in New Krypton! Yeah it's not 'her' Krypton that's been resurrected, but there've gotta be enough similarities to grab her interest.

[dreyga2000]

I personally never thought of Powergirl as a part of the Super Family (when i was introduced to her she was an Altalentan)... Now a days in my mind she's a part the "Earth-2" Family... yeah, yeah I know what you're going to say....But in my mind those characters have thematic feel/resonance substantially they share, which I feel from Powergirl despite all of the modern DCU hardships and what not she's been through...

I persoanally prefer her not to be a seperated enitity, with it's own style and feel, from the Superman titles...

[Mat001]

DC is keeping Power Girl to the JSA, so she won't be seen as another Superman related book. Which would be a good thing since it allows her to shine without relying on him for a bump. She is close to Kal-El as seen in the late 80's and over the last two years since "Infinite Crisis", but looking at him is a reminder of what she lost. And he has his own Kara now.

[HaroldAllnut]

I'm looking forward to her solo series. I think Power Girl is a great character (who desperately needs a less-revealing costume) and I'm looking forward to the development of her alter-ego, Karen Starr.

Though she is Kryptonian, I never saw her as a member of the Superman family; however, I don't think this is a bad thing. I think she's got great potential to be a solo heroine in her own right, and she's always been a valuable member of the JSA.

>Power Girl's position
>beyond the sex appeal

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HOLD IT TOGETHER, MAN!!

[WorstThingUS]

DC is keeping Power Girl to the JSA, so she won't be seen as another Superman related book. Which would be a good thing since it allows her to shine without relying on him for a bump. She is close to Kal-El as seen in the late 80's and over the last two years since "Infinite Crisis", but looking at him is a reminder of what she lost.

But so is the JSA because it's not "her JSA" either. Ironically, she's as alone in the world as Superman once was. And she's got just as much reason to be with him or to avoid him as she does to be with or to avoid the JSA. They're either painful reminders of what she's lost or familiar figures to be embraced.

But what I really find strange is that there has never been one attempt to explore her life on Krypton because "mentally" she spent her entire life there. Even though it was a virtual life, that wouldn't change her emotions. And have we ever found out why she's so rough 'n tumble as opposed to Supergirl given how similar both Supermen were?

I guess this is my disconnect from her. She doesn't necessarily act the way she should based on her experiences, but because of what editorial wants to do with her.

[IvCNuB4]

In the last PowerGirl mini she went to Kal for advice. I got a family vibe from those scenes.

Also last year Waid used her for an issue of "Brave and Bold", where Kal referred to Supergirl and Powergirl a his cousins. That was nice ....

[Mat001]

But so is the JSA because it's not "her JSA" either. Ironically, she's as alone in the world as Superman once was. And she's got just as much reason to be with him or to avoid him as she does to be with or to avoid the JSA. They're either painful reminders of what she's lost or familiar figures to be embraced.

Actually, the JSA of Earth-0 are the same ones who were folded in from the original Earth-2. They don't remember everything about their old lives like she does, but Jay, Alan and Ted are the same men that she knew before the first Crisis. The new Earth-2 is similar to the old one, but not the same. Kal-El is the redefined version of the Earth-1 Superman. So she sees him the same way she did before the first Crisis. Also, she bonded with the Earth-22 Superman since he looked more like her cousin and they were both the last of their kind.

[krammocon]

Don't forget to grab a copy of Power Girl #1! Out May 6, 2009! hehe

[CMBMOOL]

You think that based upon two issue of her latest series, is she still reguared as the Black Sheep of the BIG S family ? :frown:

[Static-Pulse]

You think that based upon two issue of her latest series, is she still reguared as the Black Sheep of the BIG S family ? :frown:

Isn't she kind of in the same place Barbara Gordon was ten or fifteen years ago? She's a member of the Family, but she has her own things going on. If Supes needed her, she'd be there, but otherwise she's grown into being a hero of her own.

[Mat001]

Exactly. The point of her ongoing is to be her own person. She's not from this Krypton. She's not Kal-El's cousin. They're friends and commrades, but that's it. She's more of a spin-off of JSA than the Superman books.

[IvCNuB4]

True enough but in Brave and Bold #12 he refers to Supergirl and her as his "cousins" ....

[Mat001]

True enough but in Brave and Bold #12 he refers to Supergirl and her as his "cousins" ....

They are family in name only, not by blood. When Kal-El showed up from Earth-22, she took to him and spent time with him, because he's closer to her cousin in age and appearence, rather than Clark.

[IvCNuB4]

I understand that she's not his cousin from his own universe. It was just nice of him to recognize her as a part of the Superman Family .....

[Sandy Hausler]

Hey no body's perfect.

Her's is pretty damn close. (That is if you like well endowed women.)

Sandy Hausler

[Dafyr]

Her's is pretty damn close. (That is if you like well endowed women.)

Sandy Hausler

I second this....... Though on topic, I think that there would be some family recognition there. I would believe that in the absence of blood relatives, the next best thing should be a viable alternative. Kryptonians from another demension, with attitudes corresponding to the Kryptonians you knew, is a no brainer I think. Earth -2 Supes and reg Supes are close enough in mentality. Saying that just because one is a lot younger is just silliness, especially if PG got to explore what her Krypton might have been like.

[livin_target]

One thing that I found strange was that she had very little to do with the New Krypton arc in Action Comics. I know they tried to rationalise it by her saying "These are not my people", but I would've thought Zor-El and Alura would've been very interested in meeting their daughter from an alternative universe even if it was just from a scientific standpoint.

[Mat001]

You assume that they even know who Power Girl really is. Being around these Kryptonians would only open up old wounds, worse than being around Clark and Chris. Karen would have to face these people, some of whom look familiar and know that they are not her family. That's why she is distancing herself from them. She'd feel worse being around them, which is why she was having problems during the fight.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Power Girl is the crazy aunt of the Superman Family. She's a little too ballsy and brassy for the rest of the family. She sometimes dresses inappropriately, yet she's more connected to the family's earliest roots than anyone.

[Pinnacle]

I like her becoming her own hero, and not being in the shadows, but I also feel like she should be involved in big Superman things like New Krypton and the appearances of Nightwing, Flamebird, and Mon-El. It only seems natural that she would at least drop by.

[Michael P]

Fifth wheel.

[Mat001]

Fifth wheel.

And then some.

[Scavenger]

I prefered her as a part of the Aquaman family. Making her Arion's granddaughter, while an imperfect patch, at least made her different. Now she's just Supergirl with larger breasts.

[mgs]

>Power Girl's position
>beyond the sex appeal

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I'll say it, Wet Nurse! :biggrin:


I keed, I keed!! :wink:

[Mat001]

I prefered her as a part of the Aquaman family. Making her Arion's granddaughter, while an imperfect patch, at least made her different. Now she's just Supergirl with larger breasts.

Save for that stretch of time, that's what she was created to be.

[Scavenger]

Save for that stretch of time, that's what she was created to be.

And then she was changed and made more interesting. And now she's back to just being another kryptonian.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

And then she was changed and made more interesting. And now she's back to just being another kryptonian.

If by interesting, you mean convoluted, then sure, I agree.


I like her current origin much more.

[KET]

If by interesting, you mean convoluted, then sure, I agree.

Nahhh, the revision initially had promise; but the ideas eventually got squandered by successive writers and editors who could only see 'retro' instead.


I like her current origin much more.

You mean the recycled, intentionally vague 'displaced Earth 2 Supergirl with bigger breasts' origin? What's so "current" about it? :wink:

[Scavenger]

If by interesting, you mean convoluted, then sure, I agree.
.

What's more convoluted...Granddaughter of the greatest sorcerer or ancient Atlantis or Cousin of Superman, but not THE Superman, but the Superman of Earth-2, but not THE Earth-2, but a different Earth-2.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

What's more convoluted...Granddaughter of the greatest sorcerer or ancient Atlantis or Cousin of Superman, but not THE Superman, but the Superman of Earth-2, but not THE Earth-2, but a different Earth-2.

Nice try. "Supergirl from another dimension" fits much better.

[superchick]

Nice try. "Supergirl from another dimension" fits much better.

And this is why I would kill her off, we already have Supergirl why do we need another one from a parallel world whose purpose of fighting crime is exactly the same. I still think having Kara Zor-El and Kara Zor-L on the stands is asking for confusion.

[Shellhead]

Let's face it, Power Girl survived Crisis on Infinite Earths because she had huge breasts. Supergirl didn't, so she didn't.

[Mat001]

And this is why I would kill her off, we already have Supergirl why do we need another one from a parallel world whose purpose of fighting crime is exactly the same. I still think having Kara Zor-El and Kara Zor-L on the stands is asking for confusion.

By that reckoning, let's get rid of the Flashes and the Green Lanterns, because more than one is too confusing. :rolleyes:

[IvCNuB4]

What's more convoluted...Granddaughter of the greatest sorcerer or ancient Atlantis or Cousin of Superman, but not THE Superman, but the Superman of Earth-2, but not THE Earth-2, but a different Earth-2.

Actually she is from THE Earth-2 ....

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Let's face it, Power Girl survived Crisis on Infinite Earths because she had huge breasts. Supergirl didn't, so she didn't.

Sorry, it was because they were obsessed with wanting Supes to be "THE LAST BEING FROM KRYPTON!!!!"..


Which is why PG's origin got messed up, and Danvers/Matrix showed up.

[KET]

By that reckoning, let's get rid of the Flashes and the Green Lanterns, because more than one is too confusing. :rolleyes:

...and while we're at it, let's get rid of all those other psychedelic Lantern shades Geoff Johns keeps toking up, too.

Reducing character redundancy CAN be fun! :biggrin:

[KET]

Sorry, it was because they were obsessed with wanting Supes to be "THE LAST BEING FROM KRYPTON!!!!"..


...which really wasn't such a bad idea in the first place, given the overall repetative trademark mediocrity we have now.



Which is why PG's origin got messed up, and Danvers/Matrix showed up.

No, that was mostly due to editorial interference. Byrne allegedly wanted to use PG for his "Supergirl Saga", but he couldn't get clearance. So then he went in a different direction with his story instead.

He may have also gone with Earth 2 instead of a 'pocket universe' as well, but I'm just speculating at this point.

The repeated use of Matrix after Byrne left the Superman books was most likely due to the usual 'beat any idea into the ground' mentality that DC seems to trade in too frequently with their mainstream line.

[superchick]

By that reckoning, let's get rid of the Flashes and the Green Lanterns, because more than one is too confusing. :rolleyes:

Yes because that Hal Ordan is such an original character that he makes Hal Jordan's existance seem more complicated than it is. Ordan is also hung like a horse so is automatically more worthwhile

[Mat001]

Power Girl is not the complicated. An older Supergirl from a parallel Earth. Just the same with Jay Garrick, Alan Scott and Carter Hall. Not that difficult.

[Rei no Otaku]

I like that Power Girl isn't really a part of the Superman family. Let her do her own thing. Her new series will give her a chance to establish her own identity, and she won't be overshadowed by the S.

[Will.S]

I never quite knew what to make of Power Girl.

The first exposure I had to the character was in Flash #59:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/31724-3790-35331-1-flash_super.jpg

And that Power Girl doesn't really seem to resemble the one that existed pre-Crisis one or the more recent one which went back to the old look. I was mostly introduced to her current form through Infinite Crisis which apparently made her Kal-L's cousin from Earth-2 but for some strange reason she's not always lumped into the Superman family of books.

I guess in some ways she's a redundant character with Kara around again so they have to shuffle her off into books like JSA where legacy heroes can find a home or when they give her her own title such as right now. I didn't really enjoy the first issue or two since it only read as mildly accessible but if anyone can tell me that it's improved since then, please let me know.

[Rei no Otaku]

I don't see how she's redundant since Supergirl has been reintroduced. While the origins are similar, their personalities are completely different. I especially like how Power Girl has adjusted to being leader of the JSA.

[Will.S]

I don't see how she's redundant since Supergirl has been reintroduced. While the origins are similar, their personalities are completely different. I especially like how Power Girl has adjusted to being leader of the JSA.
Not really referring to her personality but her role as Superman's cousin.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Not really referring to her personality but her role as Superman's cousin.

But her role isn't Superman's cousin. She was even able to move beyond that in Earth 2 Pre-Crisis.

That's Kara's.



Karen's role is JSA mainstay, and head of Starrwave.

[Rei no Otaku]

But her role isn't Superman's cousin. She was even able to move beyond that in Earth 2 Pre-Crisis.

That's Kara's.



Karen's role is JSA mainstay, and head of Starrwave.
Exactly. Power Girl doesn't need to have anything to do with Superman. She's moved well beyond that. She has grown into her own identity, and it's a great one.

[Will.S]

But her role isn't Superman's cousin. She was even able to move beyond that in Earth 2 Pre-Crisis.

That's Kara's.

Karen's role is JSA mainstay, and head of Starrwave.

Exactly. Power Girl doesn't need to have anything to do with Superman. She's moved well beyond that. She has grown into her own identity, and it's a great one.
I'm not saying that she has to be heavily involved with Superman, obviously she hasn't in a long time and even when she has it's been fairly brief. I just think that the reason why she hasn't been made a more Superman family character (outside of IC) is because she's already been been with the JSA for a good amount of time and has become more of her own character rather than having to fill the role of Superman's cousin, especially now that Kara is back.

If Kara never returned, I'm sure there would be a more concerted effort to give Superman another fellow Kryptonian character to relate to through the use of Power Girl since she's the next best thing in Kara's absence.

[KET]

Exactly. Power Girl doesn't need to have anything to do with Superman. She's moved well beyond that. She has grown into her own identity, and it's a great one.


Right, she has...she's now....oh, wait, no she really HASN'T changed. She's still a fairly generic super-brick with a large rack.

The JSA connection doesn't change anything, since she was always hanging out with 'next-generation' or Golden Age hangers-on ever since she was created.

Starrware might as well be a dummy front, for all of its DCU presence beyond any required PG story.

[Vic Vega]

Right, she has...she's now....oh, wait, no she really HASN'T changed. She's still a fairly generic super-brick with a large rack.

The JSA connection doesn't change anything, since she was always hanging out with 'next-generation' or Golden Age hangers-on ever since she was created.

Starrware might as well be a dummy front, for all of its DCU presence beyond any required PG story.

Well, there is her brash persona which is kinda unique for female characters. She also is to the modern JSA what J'onn was to the League: team mainstay, heart and soul-etc.

I kinda think she doesn't really even need Starrware to further flesh out her character. Last i checked the JSA has 23 members. Running that team would be 24-hour a day job under the best of circumstances.

[CBikle]

Both characters are individually popular and different enough to merit existence; there's no need to get rid of either.

I think that if things weren't so busy in the DCU and if the editors could get their crap together, it would've made sense for Power Girl to be a little more involved with the New Krypton storyline (especially since Johns was writing both JSA and Action comics at the time).

[Mat001]

Starrware might as well be a dummy front, for all of its DCU presence beyond any required PG story.

It's only been about three issues. You have to give it a chance.

If Kara never returned, I'm sure there would be a more concerted effort to give Superman another fellow Kryptonian character to relate to through the use of Power Girl since she's the next best thing in Kara's absence.

Why? He had Krypto and New Krypton would still cover that without Power Girl involved.

[Will.S]

Why? He had Krypto and New Krypton would still cover that without Power Girl involved.
I'm referring to a pre-New Krypton, Kara-El'less, scenario.

[WorstThingUS]

Right, she has...she's now....oh, wait, no she really HASN'T changed. She's still a fairly generic super-brick with a large rack.

The JSA connection doesn't change anything, since she was always hanging out with 'next-generation' or Golden Age hangers-on ever since she was created.

Starrware might as well be a dummy front, for all of its DCU presence beyond any required PG story.

Seriously. All that stands out are her chest size and the fact that she's angry a lot and they've done more with the former than with the latter. But this is hardly a Power Girl issue. You could say this about all female characters. They can't get Wonder Woman done right and she's supposedly one of the big three icons, and Supergirl ran for three years on the fumes of her name alone, so you think they're going to get B - C lister like Power Girl going? They might as well tie her into Superman more to give her more support. I mean, god forbid we ever get a story about the E-2 Krypton. It's only been 70 years. She sees a New Krypton in this universe and there's no examination of how it makes her feel about her own? About how her mother and father were alive here (albeit briefly for dad)?Am I the only person curious as to why this Kara Zor-El is so different while the Supermen all tend to be the same? You can't really give her a solid future until you give her a solid past and Infinite Crisis painted her as more a daughter to Kal-L than cousin so that casts everything in a new light. It would have been good for her and the book to be tied into the World of New Krypton rather than this Ultra-Humanite story, which ironically also serves to connect her to Superman more as he was Superman's first ever super-villain, predating Luthor.

[Will.S]

She sees a New Krypton in this universe and there's no examination of how it makes her feel about her own? About how her mother and father were alive here (albeit briefly for dad)?Am I the only person curious as to why this Kara Zor-El is so different while the Supermen all tend to be the same? You can't really give her a solid future until you give her a solid past and Infinite Crisis painted her as more a daughter to Kal-L than cousin so that casts everything in a new light. It would have been good for her and the book to be tied into the World of New Krypton rather than this Ultra-Humanite story, which ironically also serves to connect her to Superman more as he was Superman's first ever super-villain, predating Luthor.
I think those are all potentially interesting angles that could be explored with her.

[gwydion]

Save for that stretch of time, that's what she was created to be.

Actually, while she was created to be Earth-Two's Supergirl, she was also created to be more interesting than Kara Zor-El was at the time---who DC felt was too bland and vanilla.

For the longest time now, she's been mishandled by writers who didn't know what she was supposed to be about, or who didn't like her but felt compelled to use her anyway.

Now, with her own series, and her early appearances in JSA vs Kobra, (and to a lesser extent in Tangent: Superman's Reign), she's finally going back to an evolution of her old personality, and assuming the role she would have had as a grown-up and more experienced and skilled version of Supergirl.

Finally we see her as a real leader of the JSA, (in Kobra if not yet in the main title), and an excellent solo hero in her own title. None of the uncertain, whiny loser we've been saddled with for so long.

There still seems to be an attitude on the part of some in DC that seeks to marginalize her by excluding her from events she logically should be involved in, using Supergirl instead. Hopefully that will change soon, and she will get her due across the DC line-up, outside of JSA and her own title.

[Shellhead]

In the Superman family, Supergirl is the rebellious kid sister. Power Girl is the butch lesbian cousin who is so repressed that she doesn't even know that she's repressed. Look at the JSA annual from months back, the sexual tension between Power Girl and Huntress of Earth-2 was pretty obvious.

[Vic Vega]

That PeeGee isn't diectly tied to the Superman family is an advantage. She can be the straight ahead brawler that Wonder Woman and Supergirl can't be because of thier iconic status.

I really don't want to see PeeGee tied to the Superman universe anymore than necessary.

I can see the two Karas having a somewhat sisterly relationship but I don't need to see PeeGee going to new Krypton or anything like that.

She already has a surrogate family in the JSA, with Ma Hunkle being her pseudo mom.

What need to be done is solidfy her friendships in the JSA. Does she have any friends on the team? A love interest?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

That PeeGee isn't diectly tied to the Superman family is an advantage. She can be the straight ahead brawler that Wonder Woman and Supergirl can't be because of thier iconic status.

I really don't want to see PeeGee tied to the Superman universe anymore than necessary.

I can see the two Karas having a somewhat sisterly relationship but I don't need to see PeeGee going to new Krypton or anything like that.

She already has a surrogate family in the JSA, with Ma Hunkle being her pseudo mom.

What need to be done is solidfy her friendships in the JSA. Does she have any friends on the team? A love interest?

Stargirl and Dr. Midnight would be considered friends (though it's kinda more like mentoring with Stargirl).

Wildcat, a verbal sparing partner.

[CMBMOOL]

I really don't want to see PeeGee tied to the Superman universe anymore than necessary.



So how would you classify her then, if she isn't a part of the Superman universe ? :mad:

[Mat001]

There still seems to be an attitude on the part of some in DC that seeks to marginalize her by excluding her from events she logically should be involved in, using Supergirl instead. Hopefully that will change soon, and she will get her due across the DC line-up, outside of JSA and her own title.

What events? "Amazon's Attack"? Kara's only been utilized really in the Superman titles, Teen Titans, the Legion and "Final Crisis".

[Kid Kamikaze10]

So how would you classify her then, if she isn't a part of the Superman universe ? :mad:

Again, in what comic did Power Girl first appear?


It wasn't Superman, or Action Comics. It was All-Star Comics #58 (the original JSA comic), helping the JSA.

She may be the Supergirl of E2, but she's always been with the JSA. She's a JSA character primarily.



She's about as connected with the Super family as Alan Scott is to the GLC.

[CMBMOOL]

She's about as connected with the Super family as Alan Scott is to the GLC.

Yet, how many times have Alan Scott came into contact with some of other GLC members besides Hal, John, Guy and Kyle ?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Yet, how many times have Alan Scott came into contact with some of other GLC members besides Hal, John, Guy and Kyle ?

How many times does Power Girl come into contact with Steel, Eradicator, Kon El, hell, even Lois or Ma Kent?

[WorstThingUS]

She's about as connected with the Super family as Alan Scott is to the GLC.

I'm unaware of Alan Scott's blood relation to any member of the GLC. I'm also unware of Alan Scott growing under the eye of any member of the GLC or being particularly affected when said member died. Her name is Kara Zor-L. You don't get more connected than that. Oh, and that dumb hole in her outfit is because she wanted an "S" to go there one day.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I'm unaware of Alan Scott's blood relation to any member of the GLC.

He's not, and she's not.


I'm also unware of Alan Scott growing under the eye of any member of the GLC or being particularly affected when said member died.

Different Superman, and she wasn't raised by her parents. She was raised within her ship.


Her name is Kara Zor-L. You don't get more connected than that. Oh, and that dumb hole in her outfit is because she wanted an "S" to go there one day.

http://gallery.xcave.net/images/comics/dc/powergirl/PowerGirl_AllStarComics064_02a.jpg

[CMBMOOL]

http://gallery.xcave.net/images/comics/dc/powergirl/PowerGirl_AllStarComics064_02a.jpg

Yet that was before the whole costume change and being made into a sex-up symbol with Superman like powers. :rolleyes:

[WorstThingUS]

He's not, and she's not.

She's Kara Zor-L from Kyrpton with a cousin named Kal. He's Kal-El from Krypton with a cousin named Kara. I'd say she's got a lot more to do with the Superman family than Alan Scott does with the GLC. You're the one who picked a faulty comparison.


Different Superman, and she wasn't raised by her parents. She was raised within her ship.

Not according to Infinite Crisis where Kal-L tells her that since she came into their lives she was like a daughter to him and Lois. And in JSA Classified Power Girl tells Kal-El that the reason she has the hole in her chest is because she left it open for the "S" that would go there one day and when she thought she wasn't his cousin, she left empty to represent the hole she felt. Also, in JSA Classified it was set up that PG had a relationship with Kal-El like the Silver Age Supergirl originally had with Superman, all the way down to meeting the Kents. So they are tight. She even babysat Chris Kent when he was around and they mentioned her absence when on a family picnic. I'm pretty sure none in the GLC mentions Alan Scott for any reason other than, "Hey, didn't you sleep with his daughter?"

[Vic Vega]

So how would you classify her then, if she isn't a part of the Superman universe ? :mad:


She is the JSA's answer to J'onn J'onzz. That is team lifer, stalwart and greatest sucess(having gone from noob hero to pro hero under the JSA tuteledge).

That why is a big deal for her to be running the show there. Its the validation of everything she ever worked for (not that she'd admit it openly).

What would her relation to Superman be now anyway? She isnot his cousin and she knows it. The Kal-L and Lois she had as surrogate parents are dead.

Thier interactions now would be kinda awkward. She be treated like family but know that she wasn't.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

She's Kara Zor-L from Kyrpton with a cousin named Kal. He's Kal-El from Krypton with a cousin named Kara. I'd say she's got a lot more to do with the Superman family than Alan Scott does with the GLC. You're the one who picked a faulty comparison.

Alan called himself Green Lantern first, had a daughter formerly in the GLC, helped Kyle become a GL, and the Starheart, were he gets his powers, was built by the Guardians.

So what if they are her alternate reality family? They aren't her's directly (it's Supergirl's family, not her's), and she decided that JSA would be her primary family. The Krypton here is another version of Krypton, not that she got to know her own outside of a virtual reality. How is she gonna connect with the Kryptonians anyway?

At best, to the Superman family, she's a "kooky feminist aunt".


Not according to Infinite Crisis where Kal-L tells her that since she came into their lives she was like a daughter to him and Lois.

But she was already grown up at that point. It may have been that type of relationship, but they didn't raise her. Not for very long a best.


And in JSA Classified Power Girl tells Kal-El that the reason she has the hole in her chest is because she left it open for the "S" that would go there one day and when she thought she wasn't his cousin, she left empty to represent the hole she felt.

Which, as I just showed, is out-of-character. Yes, Johns, even in a story fixing up PG's origin, wrote her out-of-character.

He did the same thing throughout JSoA, too. Which makes sense, since he doesn't like the character very much.


Also, in JSA Classified it was set up that PG had a relationship with Kal-El like the Silver Age Supergirl originally had with Superman, all the way down to meeting the Kents.

She also spent a lot of her time in the JSA. Probably even more time.

So they are tight. She even babysat Chris Kent when he was around and they mentioned her absence when on a family picnic. I'm pretty sure none in the GLC mentions Alan Scott for any reason other than, "Hey, didn't you sleep with his daughter?"

I'm sure the Guardians would, since they helped create the Starheart.

And the Earth-based Lanterns as well, especially Kyle and Hal.

[WorstThingUS]

Alan called himself Green Lantern first, had a daughter formerly in the GLC, helped Kyle become a GL, and the Starheart, were he gets his powers, was built by the Guardians.

So they kept the Guardians involvement in his origin after all these years? That's interesting.

So what if they are her alternate reality family?

...and your admitted use of the word "family" pretty much ends it right there.

How is she gonna connect with the Kryptonians anyway?

You mean other than she's Kara Zor-L from Krypton? You mean other the million defacto similarities that entails all the way down to her parents being there?

At best, to the Superman family, she's a "kooky feminist aunt".

She's more than that and it's been shown that way.

But she was already grown up at that point. It may have been that type of relationship, but they didn't raise her. Not for very long a best.

Again, this ends at "that type of relationship." Just because it wasn't long enough in your opinion, that doesn't invalidate it. Quantity is not quality. From Infinite Crisis #2:

PG: You treated me...both of you...like I was your daughter
Lois: Oh, honey. As far as we're concerned you are our daughter.


Which, as I just showed, is out-of-character. Yes, Johns, even in a story fixing up PG's origin, wrote her out-of-character.


No, she's been retconned and until something changes it (or changes it back), that's now part of her origin on E1, initially very much wanting to be like her cousin, just as Supergirl was initially changed to be more rebellious despite wearing the "S." Maybe someone will blame that behavior by PG on "radiation sickness" too but for now, PG was more than willing to be "Supergirl" at one point.

She also spent a lot of her time in the JSA. Probably even more time.

But she didn't see them as blood family the way the retcons show her with either Superman. Spending more time with people you work with doesn't mean you're closer to them than your family. Quantity is not quality.

[gwydion]

In the Superman family, Supergirl is the rebellious kid sister. Power Girl is the butch lesbian cousin who is so repressed that she doesn't even know that she's repressed. Look at the JSA annual from months back, the sexual tension between Power Girl and Huntress of Earth-2 was pretty obvious.

"Butch lesbian"? She's never come across as either. As for the Annual, I think you're reading into it what simply wasn't there. Power Girl has always been portrayed as straight.

[CMBMOOL]

With the events of Legion of 3 worlds telling us that some of the Pre-crisis Earths are still out there, does anyone think there's a chance that the original Earth-2 is still out there ? :frown:


Could that be what DC is building Power Girl towards, since it like a second chance for her to find her original home ? :frown:

[WorstThingUS]

With the events of Legion of 3 worlds telling us that some of the Pre-crisis Earths are still out there, does anyone think there's a chance that the original Earth-2 is still out there ? :frown:


Could that be what DC is building Power Girl towards, since it like a second chance for her to find her original home ? :frown:

E2 was recreated except it recreated a Power Girl too, so hers is gone for good.

[Frank]

During Infinite Crisis when there was an understanding that there was going to be a big shake-up in the DC Universe and some characters would adopt other roles, I wished after all is said and done that Supergirl would go to the Legion times and be revealed to be from that time and a descendant of Superman AND STAY THERE. While Powergirl would have taken over her book as....Superwoman.

[Spiffy]

What do you think is Power Girl's position in the modern-day Superman family/ DCU ?

Well, if its much like Wally Wood's inspiration, that position would be "bending over with a big hole in her shirt while fan boys drool at the cleavage".

Although the current Power Girl title's writing has overall been pretty lacking, I did chuckle that it had the balls to joke about this though.

[Tweedsuitcase]

i have a pg question relating to that jsa annual. forgive me if it's lame, i'm pretty new to the dcu. i sort of understand the supergirl/pg relationship, but what confuses me is that there are two powergirls, also? coming in cold, i didn't really understand that jsa annual. i assume the pg who was the main character is "the" pg setting up her solo series? are all the other people in that book the jsa from the main title? or an alternate one? help! lol

[Walter West]

Isn't she a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian? Should she have Superboy-Prime levels of power? I always thought she should actually be more powerful than the New Earth Superman because she's a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian with corresponding levels of abilities.

[Mat001]

i have a pg question relating to that jsa annual. forgive me if it's lame, i'm pretty new to the dcu. i sort of understand the supergirl/pg relationship, but what confuses me is that there are two powergirls, also? coming in cold, i didn't really understand that jsa annual. i assume the pg who was the main character is "the" pg setting up her solo series? are all the other people in that book the jsa from the main title? or an alternate one? help! lol

The main Power Girl is from the original Earth-2 who merged into Earth-0. When Power Girl was sent to the new Earth-2, she learned that the new Earth-2 Kal-L disappeared at the end of the first Crisis. The Power Girl who attacked Earth-0 Power Girl is the new Earth-2 Power Girl. In other words, this one never went to Earth-0. She was lost for a time and is now back. This was done to show the differences between the old Multiverse and the new one.

Isn't she a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian? Should she have Superboy-Prime levels of power? I always thought she should actually be more powerful than the New Earth Superman because she's a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian with corresponding levels of abilities.

Pre-Crisis Kryptonians from Earth-2 are stronger than Earth-0 Kryptonians. But Earth-2 Kryptonians are not stronger than Earth-1 or Earth-Prime Kryptonians. Mainly as those two are at the same power levels. Earth-1 and Earth-Prime.

[bongoes]

Is there an explanation as to why PG isn't outlawed from Earth like other Kryptonians? Is because she's from a different Earth?

[Walter West]

Pre-Crisis Kryptonians from Earth-2 are stronger than Earth-0 Kryptonians. But Earth-2 Kryptonians are not stronger than Earth-1 or Earth-Prime Kryptonians. Mainly as those two are at the same power levels. Earth-1 and Earth-Prime.

That's awesome! How did you come to know that?

[Sandy Hausler]

The main Power Girl is from the original Earth-2 who merged into Earth-0. When Power Girl was sent to the new Earth-2, she learned that the new Earth-2 Kal-L disappeared at the end of the first Crisis. The Power Girl who attacked Earth-0 Power Girl is the new Earth-2 Power Girl. In other words, this one never went to Earth-0. She was lost for a time and is now back. This was done to show the differences between the old Multiverse and the new one.

What the heck is Earth-0?

Sandy Hausler

[Mat001]

Is there an explanation as to why PG isn't outlawed from Earth like other Kryptonians? Is because she's from a different Earth?

Probably because no one outside of the superhero community knows she's Kryptonian. It's not like she went to the Daily Planet and shouted, "I'm Kryptonian, hear me roar!" after "Infinite Crisis" ended. I think most people still think she's from Atlantis still.

That's awesome! How did you come to know that?

This was established in the 70's, whenever Kal-El and Kal-L teamed up. And when it was made clear starting with "Man Of Steel", that Earth-0 Kryptonians are weaker. Pre-Crisis, Kal-El could move planets with ease. Kal-L couldn't. Kal-El could time travel, whereas Kal-L couldn't.

What the heck is Earth-0?

It's the designation for New Earth. First revealed in "Final Crisis".

[gwydion]

The exact relationship between Earth-Two Kryptonians and New Earth/New Earth-1 Kryptonians isn't clear with respect to their powers.

While 70s and early 80s Kal-L was indeed owned by Earth-1 Kal-El, by COIE, he seemed to be about as powerful and effective against the Anti-Monitor as Kal-El---indeed, it was Kal-L who finished the Anti-Monitor by throwing a moon and a couple of asteroids at him, (with help from Darkseid). And IIRC, he KOed Earth-1 Superman just before that, giving him to Superboy Prime to take through the rift thingee to safety, as he intended to finish the AM.

In IC, Kal-L seemed to be about as powerful as New Earth Kal-El, or perhaps somewhat more powerful, being able to stop a Doomsday punch cold with his open hand, not a feat that Kal-El has ever done.

These days, there hasn't been any definitive comparison. There have been contradictory suggestions in the early Supergirl run that don't seem to be applicable do to special circumstances, and Power Girl was certainly able to have her way in a fight with at least one New Earth Kryptonian, but that says nothing other than that she is a better fighter and in a league with those Kryptonians in terms of power. As were Wonder Woman and others.

So the power levels of Earth-Two Kryptonians have varied greatly over the years, and seem to be at a midpoint at this time.

[Mat001]

The exact relationship between Earth-Two Kryptonians and New Earth/New Earth-1 Kryptonians isn't clear with respect to their powers.

While 70s and early 80s Kal-L was indeed owned by Earth-1 Kal-El, by COIE, he seemed to be about as powerful and effective against the Anti-Monitor as Kal-El---indeed, it was Kal-L who finished the Anti-Monitor by throwing a moon and a couple of asteroids at him, (with help from Darkseid). And IIRC, he KOed Earth-1 Superman just before that, giving him to Superboy Prime to take through the rift thingee to safety, as he intended to finish the AM.

In the case of knocking out Kal-El, Kal-L caught him by surprise. And the Anti-Monitor was weaked before he finished him. It should also be noted the Superboy-Prime was able to take out both Supermen individually, but had trouble breaking their double grip when they went through the red sun. Prime was also able to burn a hole in Clark's hand in "Legion Of 3 Worlds" with his heat vision. He did it earlier in "Tales Of The Sinestro Corps Presents: Superman-Prime", thought there he caught him in the shoulder.

[Sandy Hausler]

It's the designation for New Earth. First revealed in "Final Crisis".

Just to be sure I understand, Earth 0 is the Earth on which all of the current DC characters reside?

Sandy Hausler

[Devil_LeonX]

She's Kara Zor-L from Kyrpton with a cousin named Kal. He's Kal-El from Krypton with a cousin named Kara. I'd say she's got a lot more to do with the Superman family than Alan Scott does with the GLC. You're the one who picked a faulty comparison.



Not according to Infinite Crisis where Kal-L tells her that since she came into their lives she was like a daughter to him and Lois. And in JSA Classified Power Girl tells Kal-El that the reason she has the hole in her chest is because she left it open for the "S" that would go there one day and when she thought she wasn't his cousin, she left empty to represent the hole she felt. Also, in JSA Classified it was set up that PG had a relationship with Kal-El like the Silver Age Supergirl originally had with Superman, all the way down to meeting the Kents. So they are tight. She even babysat Chris Kent when he was around and they mentioned her absence when on a family picnic. I'm pretty sure none in the GLC mentions Alan Scott for any reason other than, "Hey, didn't you sleep with his daughter?"

whoa that's cool! but is JLA Classified in continuity??

[Devil_LeonX]

In the last PowerGirl mini she went to Kal for advice. I got a family vibe from those scenes.

Also last year Waid used her for an issue of "Brave and Bold", where Kal referred to Supergirl and Powergirl a his cousins. That was nice ....

yeah it was!!gives me a nice fuzzy feeling inside

[FemGeek]

She even babysat Chris Kent when he was around and they mentioned her absence when on a family picnic.

I didnt know that either! Which issue is this in? you are a font of knowledge, WorstThing.

[Mat001]

Just to be sure I understand, Earth 0 is the Earth on which all of the current DC characters reside?

Sandy Hausler

Yes. It's the Earth that was first seen towards the end of "Crisis On Infinite Earths", when they merged together. New Earth was just the temporary title until Morrison revealed the number designation in "Final Crisis".

[CMBMOOL]

You know it's kind of funny that her current storyline uses a character that was within the 70s/early 80s version of the SUperman comics. :redface:

So maybe every little bit helps, right ?:redface:

[gwydion]

I didnt know that either! Which issue is this in? you are a font of knowledge, WorstThing.

I don't think it was ever shown on panel, merely referred to in the Superman comic where he takes the Kents, Supergirl, and Lois and Chris to an alien planet for a picnic, and they serve Kryptonian food. Chris makes a face and mentions that her prefers the cheeseburgers Power Girl makes...:tongue:

[Mulett]

Power Girl needs to be a part of the Superman family - and I'm really sad the whole "World of New Krypton" has passed with almost no Power Girl involvement.

In Supergirl a couple of years ago, Karen and Kara were evenly matched - and Kara is as strong as Kal-El which benchmarks Karen's powers for me.

But it really depends who's writing her.

When Green Arrow and Black Canary were married, Power Girl was left out of the list of class-A powered superheroes. And Black Adam took her out really easy in JSA too.

She's my favourite DC character, and the ONLY survivor of the pre-Crisis universe that I grew up with. I guess I feel she's just not treated with any respect.

[Devil_LeonX]

Power Girl needs to be a part of the Superman family - and I'm really sad the whole "World of New Krypton" has passed with almost no Power Girl involvement.

In Supergirl a couple of years ago, Karen and Kara were evenly matched - and Kara is as strong as Kal-El which benchmarks Karen's powers for me.

But it really depends who's writing her.

When Green Arrow and Black Canary were married, Power Girl was left out of the list of class-A powered superheroes. And Black Adam took her out really easy in JSA too.

She's my favourite DC character, and the ONLY survivor of the pre-Crisis universe that I grew up with. I guess I feel she's just not treated with any respect.

Yeah it would be nice to see her with the rest of the Superman family!

[CMBMOOL]

Power Girl needs to be a part of the Superman family - and I'm really sad the whole "World of New Krypton" has passed with almost no Power Girl involvement.

In Supergirl a couple of years ago, Karen and Kara were evenly matched - and Kara is as strong as Kal-El which benchmarks Karen's powers for me.

But it really depends who's writing her.

When Green Arrow and Black Canary were married, Power Girl was left out of the list of class-A powered superheroes. And Black Adam took her out really easy in JSA too.

She's my favourite DC character, and the ONLY survivor of the pre-Crisis universe that I grew up with. I guess I feel she's just not treated with any respect.

Even her own series avoids some JSA crossover, especially with her guest staring in Magog this week. :frown:

Oh sure members of the JSA do show up into the new series from time to time, but when it comes to actual crossovers, it a big NO-No in DCU land. :mad:

I mean even the She-Hulk mention events of the past and her on-going series is canceled and replaced with a red version of her along with the daughter of Thundra and the Hulk. :evilangry:

[Finganforn]

Just my two cents.

I think her position is "she needs to move on". She is a character entirely independent (both in the books and out of them). Super isn't 'her super' and I haven't followed their relationship as much, but at least from all I can see they don't have much in common other than powers and origin, so I don't really see her having any reason to be part of the S family. She could be a 'friend of the family' or so, be very welcomed and such, but I do see her not willing to take part on the club. If she was always her own girl, I think things with her could get much more interesting. IMO she should leave the past on the past. It is not like she is forgetting her past, is more like when your parents die, you honor their memory, it is dear to you and all, but you move on and continue your own history.

[gwydion]

I think part of the issue is that while Power Girl seems not to be considered an official part of the Superman Family anymore, there are others who are but have a far more dubious relationship to Superman or Krypton.

[CMBMOOL]

Just my two cents.

I think her position is "she needs to move on". She is a character entirely independent (both in the books and out of them). Super isn't 'her super' and I haven't followed their relationship as much, but at least from all I can see they don't have much in common other than powers and origin, so I don't really see her having any reason to be part of the S family. She could be a 'friend of the family' or so, be very welcomed and such, but I do see her not willing to take part on the club. If she was always her own girl, I think things with her could get much more interesting. IMO she should leave the past on the past. It is not like she is forgetting her past, is more like when your parents die, you honor their memory, it is dear to you and all, but you move on and continue your own history.

Yet when the past comes back to haunt you in a strange way, what do you do?

Do you confront it to put it to rest or do you avoid it like the plauge even though it will still be there ? :frown:

[mathew101281]

I think Powergirl is to the superman family what Huntress is to the batman family

just like Supergirl and Batgirl are analogs in their respective families.

(robin and superboy for that matter)

both huntress and Powergirl have tenutive connections to their respective familes both were originally created to exist on earth two and both had to be refashioned to exist in the post crisis dc

[Finganforn]

Yet when the past comes back to haunt you in a strange way, what do you do?

Do you confront it to put it to rest or do you avoid it like the plauge even though it will still be there ? :frown:

When it comes, then it isn't you still "oh wait, i was there, but now there doesn't exist anymore, oh life, what do I do now". What I meant was an internal change. In the case, I assume you refer to the past hauting her as Superman and all the related stuff, right? If she had moved on, on the terms I proposed, she would see that it as just something that reminds, but that isn't the things she lost, so it is something entirely new, even if it does trigger some memories it is not what is on the memories. She could try, and I believe she already tried enough, and if it really pleases her she accepts not because it is a replacement of the old, but because she like the new yet familiar thing. But if she doesn't feel all that comfortable, then she just 'doesnt buy the new shoes', so to speak. This kind of change is an upgrade on maturity, and for PG it seems to me it is the one she needs now, and imo she would become an even more amazing character and independent should she take that step.

[CMBMOOL]

I think Powergirl is to the superman family what Huntress is to the batman family

just like Supergirl and Batgirl are analogs in their respective families.

(robin and superboy for that matter)

both huntress and Powergirl have tenutive connections to their respective familes both were originally created to exist on earth two and both had to be refashioned to exist in the post crisis dc

Yet with the Earth-2 Huntress and the Huntress of today at least she had Bruce to count on since her parents were dead like his was.

Power girl wasn't given that option at all. Which is fortunate since she was raised by the Earth-2 Superman of that world. :redface:

[CMBMOOL]

Given the upcoming relaunching of DC COmics titles, it seems that Power Girl has no place in the SUperman family and no place in the DCU...again.:frown:

[gwydion]

Given the upcoming relaunching of DC COmics titles, it seems that Power Girl has no place in the SUperman family and no place in the DCU...again.:frown:

Well, she evidently has SOME place in the DCU; it's just likely not to be a very good one. Looks like she took twenty steps forward over the last 7 years or so, and now fifty steps back.:mad: