I'm beginning to change my mind on who's going to be Batgirl [Archive]

Captain Jim

04-01-2009, 10:37 PM

I'm still pretty confident that it's not going to be Cassie. In one of the earlier convention talks this season, they referred to a "new" Batgirl, and that rules out Cassie, as far as I'm concerned. Also, Didio called the sales on her mini-series "disappointing," so it's hard for me to imagine that they'd follow up with an ongoing.

I thought for a long time that the new Batgirl would be a healed Barbara Gordon. Didio's attraction to the "iconic" version of the DC characters supported this idea, as did his quizzing of convention attenders a year ago on who they think of when they hear "Batgirl." (The response was overwhelmingly Babs.) Then there have been all those apparent "hints" that she is going to be healed, as well as the cancellation of Birds of Prey and the appearance of the new Oracle mini. (Plus the solicitation for #3 refers to a "stunning conclusion that will change Oracle and the Birds of Prey forever!")

But I started being bothered by this theory when they announced the new Batwoman series in Detective. Because, visually, the new Batwoman and a Barbara Gordon Batgirl would be almost identical. Plus is Kate really any older (or significantly older) than Babs so that the former should be BatWOMAN and the other BatGIRL? I think not.

So, who am I leaning toward at the moment? Stephanie Brown. I know I'm not the first to suggest this, but it's beginning to make more and more sense. What really pushed me over the line was editor Mike Marts' recent comment that "Spoiler's appearances in Gotham Gazette are only the beginning of what's next for Stephanie Brown." http://comics.ign.com/articles/968/968443p1.html

Sure, I know that's vague, but it really does fit. Add that to the fact that Robin recently told her he didn't ever want to see her in that costume again and the recent revelation that Dixon was directed to bring the character back by editorial.

It appears that Carrie will still have a role in the DCU and I certainly hope Babs does as well (I will be furious if they kill her off). But in my mind, it's beginning to look more and more likely that Stephanie will be Batgirl.

Mac

04-01-2009, 10:48 PM

I'm agreeing with most that taking Oracle back to being Batgril is a pointless, regressive step. She's been there. She's done that.
Now she's Oracle. End of story. Don't mess up a good thing.

I really like Stephanie. And the whole "Don't let me see you in that costume again" line from Tim certainly did leave it open to interpretation that would place donning a new costume (Batgirl) as a feasible option.

Though that Origins/Omens page in Nightwing certainly did depict Barbra as Batgirl....=/

F1uke

04-01-2009, 10:52 PM

Though that Origins/Omens page in Nightwing certainly did depict Barbra as Batgirl....=/

Steph dyes her hair red, and Tim becomes Nightwing, and they make out :eek:

But seriously, I agree that Steph seems like a solid choice for Batgirl at this point

CYOTI

04-01-2009, 10:54 PM

There is another choice, Beryl the Squire.

paulski

04-02-2009, 01:08 AM

Didio called the sales on (Cassie's) mini-series "disappointing," so it's hard for me to imagine that they'd follow up with an ongoing.

...visually, the new Batwoman and a Barbara Gordon Batgirl would be almost identical.

So, who am I leaning toward at the moment? Stephanie Brown. I know I'm not the first to suggest this, but it's beginning to make more and more sense.

Those points were pretty much what made me lean in Steph's direction in the first place. Cassie was clearly out and Babs just didn't make sense. So that basically left Steph. Which would be pretty damn cool IMO, even better than her being Robin for a whole 3 issues... :wink:

Balac

04-02-2009, 01:54 AM

Given that Steph was originally created to (eventually) be Batgirl this would be an interesting turn of events. Much as I like Stephanie I worry what would happen to Cass then. I don't see Steph taking her friends identity without one heck of a reason, just hope that reason is not 'Cass dies'.

DonC

04-02-2009, 04:34 AM

Stephanie would be a good choice. Certainly better than Barbara.

Now if only they'd bring back Chuck Dixon to write that book.

Alexx1

04-02-2009, 06:10 AM

I could see that and get behind it as long as Babs stays Oracle (that means they can't kill her) and plays a BIG hand in Steph's Batgirl development and training.

The thing that I'm curious about though is why would BOP be in the Batgirl series if it does star Stephanie Brown? I am wondering if Babs goes missing or something at the end of Oracle mini and thus the need for BOP in the Batgirl series. Maybe we are heading for another "Hunt for Oracle" type story.

It would be cool to have some interaction between Stephanine and Helena. We haven't had any except for that one story and it was pretty cool. I'm surprised no writer ever followed up on it but it could have a pretty neat friend/sisterly relationship. It would also be neat to see Steph take on a persona that Helena also had even if brief.

I hope the creative team will be announced this weekend.

Joe Acro

04-02-2009, 08:05 AM

It would also be neat to see Steph take on a persona that Helena also had even if brief.
Huntress was Batgirl at some point?

Static-Pulse

04-02-2009, 08:14 AM

There is another choice, Beryl the Squire.

If they made Beryl the new Batgirl, and did not put a writer like Johns or Simone on the book, that might actually get me excited about a Batgirl comic...and I say that as a crazy, bitter Cassandra Cain fan.

carabas

04-02-2009, 08:39 AM

Huntress was Batgirl at some point?No Man's Land. Batman was gone, and Helena rigtly figured that Gotham, which was pretty much descended into an anarchy, needed the Bat.

And when she failed (with 'failed' here meaning not being able to live up to expectations Bruce himself doesn't live up to) a returned Batman gave her costume to Cassandra "who?" Cain.

The only bit about the Cassandra Cain Batgirl I vividly dislike, how she got to be Batgirl.

Alexx1

04-02-2009, 08:45 AM

No Man's Land. Batman was gone, and Helena rigtly figured that Gotham, which was pretty much descended into an anarchy, needed the Bat.

And when she failed (with 'failed' here meaning not being able to live up to expectations Bruce himself doesn't live up to) a returned Batman gave her costume to Cassandra "who?" Cain.

The only bit about the Cassandra Cain Batgirl I vividly dislike, how she got to be Batgirl.

I hated the way Batman treated Helena who I thought went above and beyond the call of duty for Gotham in NML. While I'm glad she went back to being The Huntress, I do find myself wishing she'd been able to explore being Batgirl a bit more. It fits her too, but I think DC was more interested in her remaining the blacksheep of the family. So many missed opportunties with this character (Helena Bertinelli) imo. A character who by all rights should be more relevant in the DCU.

WorstThingUS

04-02-2009, 09:09 AM

Alexx1

04-02-2009, 09:10 AM

Huntress was Batgirl at some point?

Might I also add she looked pretty awesome as Batgirl!

Alexx1

04-02-2009, 09:15 AM

Hasn't it pretty much been confirmed by the Omens & Origins back up that it's going to be Babs? Not to mention the name of her mini is "The Cure." Unless she's going to be giving up the superhero life to manage the band there's not really much room for speculation.

I keep thinking the cure has more to do with Wendy and Calculator than Oracle. And if she walks again, what does that have to do with BOP if they are already disbanded. I don't see how or why the stakes would include them (as Jim mentioned above: "(Plus the solicitation for #3 refers to a "stunning conclusion that will change Oracle and the Birds of Prey forever!")". I don't see what they'd have to do with it again if she does walk or becomes Batgirl. The only way I can see them affected by anything (or changed forever) is if something happens bad to Babs, like she's harmed in some way.

Golden_Tuna

04-02-2009, 11:57 AM

Much as I like Stephanie I worry what would happen to Cass then. I don't see Steph taking her friends identity without one heck of a reason, just hope that reason is not 'Cass dies'.

Your completely right, I love both girls...and it would be awesome to see Steph become Batgirl.

But what would become of Cass...if she doesn't die, that is?
Didn't Bruce just adopt her too?

Henker

04-02-2009, 12:18 PM

I wouldn't mind Steph becoming Batgirl. I love Cass too though, so I hope she isn't killed off or sidelined forever. A Batgirl book starring Steph as Batgirl and Cass in a new costume would definitely be on my pull list.

celticguy

04-02-2009, 12:21 PM

Henker

04-02-2009, 02:18 PM

it would get her around being forbidden from being spoiler.
Hmm, maybe that's how they could do the switch without having to resort to character death. Cass decides to stop being a superhero for some reason. When she does, she goes over to Steph and says, "I know Tim doesn't want you to be Spoiler, but he never said anything about Batgirl", then hands over the costume. Steph does eventually convince Cass to come back, but Cass lets her keep the title.

Anyway, if they do make Steph Batgirl, I'm confident DC won't do anything horrible to Cass. In my experience Cass fans and Steph fans tend to be one and the same, so killing Cass off to facilitate Steph becoming Batgirl do little aside from hurting potential customer interest.

DLH1970

04-02-2009, 02:38 PM

Alexx1

04-02-2009, 03:37 PM

My only question is if Didio thinks that Cassandra as Batgirl doesn't have good enough sales why would Steph as Batgirl be any different? Steph would be even less recognized as Batgirl then Cassandra.

That's a good point and one I've thought of but if you through Babs in the book as Oracle and throw in some BOP characters as supporting does that make it a bit more interesting. I dunno.

Captain Jim

04-02-2009, 06:35 PM

My only question is if Didio thinks that Cassandra as Batgirl doesn't have good enough sales why would Steph as Batgirl be any different? Steph would be even less recognized as Batgirl then Cassandra.

Well, basically, Cassie's already had her chance at being Batgirl. It would be a whole new ball game with Steph. IIRC, Steph was pretty popular as Robin, during her brief tenure.

Captain Jim

04-02-2009, 06:38 PM

The solicitation for Gotham Gazette: Batman Alive says this about the Stephanie segment: "One hero who has determined a course of action no matter whose plans it spoils." I know, vague again, but it fits.

Captain Jim

04-02-2009, 06:40 PM

Hasn't it pretty much been confirmed by the Omens & Origins back up that it's going to be Babs?

I'm not ruling out Babs, but I don't think this is incontrovertible evidence.

CYOTI

04-02-2009, 06:42 PM

My only question is if Didio thinks that Cassandra as Batgirl doesn't have good enough sales why would Steph as Batgirl be any different? Steph would be even less recognized as Batgirl then Cassandra. Favoritism. Same reason why he has given the Metal Men so many chances, both are properties that he is fond of.

Captain Jim

04-02-2009, 06:42 PM

There is another choice, Beryl the Squire.

Unless the creative team was out of this world, I'd have absolutely no interest in this.

Given that Steph was originally created to (eventually) be Batgirl this would be an interesting turn of events.

I wasn't aware of that; please elaborate.

The Cool Thatguy

04-02-2009, 06:45 PM

Well, basically, Cassie's already had her chance at being Batgirl. It would be a whole new ball game with Steph. IIRC, Steph was pretty popular as Robin, during her brief tenure.

More like "Was already completely undermined as Batgirl" ;)

Henker

04-02-2009, 06:56 PM

I wasn't aware of that; please elaborate.
From what I understand, Spoiler was created four years after The Killing Joke by Chuck Dixon. Dixon's intention was that Spoiler would eventually become Batgirl, but this never panned out for some reason.

Captain Jim

04-02-2009, 07:05 PM

From what I understand, Spoiler was created four years after The Killing Joke by Chuck Dixon. Dixon's intention was that Spoiler would eventually become Batgirl, but this never panned out for some reason.

I've never heard that. Has anyone else?

RonnieThunderbolts

04-02-2009, 07:07 PM

I've never heard that. Has anyone else?

I've never heard that anywhere either. Be interesting to hear where he got that from.

Captain Jim

04-02-2009, 07:13 PM

I've never heard that anywhere either. Be interesting to hear where he got that from.

I just asked Dixon on his own forum; I'll report back when he answers.

Henker

04-03-2009, 02:33 AM

I just asked Dixon on his own forum; I'll report back when he answers.
I heard on a message board a couple years back. I saw Chuck's response, looks like my information was incorrect.

Seraku

04-03-2009, 11:02 AM

Alexx1

04-03-2009, 11:08 AM

CYOTI

04-03-2009, 12:34 PM

Hope it's Tony Bedard.

Golden_Tuna

04-03-2009, 03:02 PM

please not Misfit...please not Misfit...

OverMaster

04-03-2009, 03:51 PM

I've never heard that. Has anyone else?

I figure he might have mistaken it with Alan Grant's initial plans for Anarky, who IIRC was created as a potential (if not definitive) candidate for the Robin role just a few years before Spoiler's debut.

FemGeek

04-03-2009, 05:00 PM

so today Mike Marts reports that the editors have finally tacked down the premise of Batgirl, as well as her identity.

later on he throws out the names "Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Misfit…" in the same sentence.

This is innnnteresting. I wouldnt really mind Steph getting it, specially if it was ok'd by Cass. But not Misfit. Misfit is the joke Batgirl. I might get this if Cass is in it, otherwise I can't bring myself to care enough.

Captain Jim

04-03-2009, 06:07 PM

I just asked Dixon on his own forum; I'll report back when he answers.

When I asked, "Any truth to this?" (i.e., that Stephanie was created to some day become Batgirl) he responded ...

Not a wit, a jot, a scintilla of truth to that.
It was never considered, even once, that I know of.
Steph was created as a plot device for a single arc in Detective. "What if a super-villain had a rebellious daughter dedicated to thwarting him?"
The rest was all fan response to her.

Cayman

04-03-2009, 06:41 PM

I tend to think Spoiler will be the star of Batgirl too, and unless the creative team is amazing, I'll be skipping the title.

Captain Jim

04-03-2009, 07:03 PM

http://dcublog.dccomics.com/category/editors/

Dan DiDio is pulling the Bat Group down into his office for an urgent meeting. Topic: BATGIRL.

Just emerged from Dan’s office. Decided the fate of several characters. As usual, we created more questions then we set out to answer, but hey—that’s the fun part of the job. I’m surprised we ended up where we did, but WOW. Can’t wait to actually start on the title.

Talk about creating more questions than answers! Is he saying they haven't even started on Batgirl yet?

And what's with this: "I'm surprised we ended up where we did." They hadn't even decided who Batgirl would be?

I'm starting to wonder if they may have started off in one direction and then changed their minds mid-stream.

Alexx1

04-03-2009, 07:31 PM

Yes, it's starting to sound a bit messy to me. It would have seemed that in cancelling BOP DC knew what direction it was taking Barbara and the other characters. Now I don't think they have a clue what they're about to do and it worries me to no end...

Static-Pulse

04-03-2009, 07:52 PM

please not Misfit...please not Misfit...

Motto. I'd read a book with Beryl Hutchinson as Batgirl. I might read a book with Stephanie Brown as Batgirl. I would never, never, never read a book with Misfit as Batgirl.

So, you know, it'll probably be Misfit. *sigh*

joe27

04-03-2009, 08:14 PM

Eww, I never even considered the possibility that Steph might be the new Batgirl. I hope they don't go that way.

She's so promiscuous and will probably just get pregnant again.

joe27

04-03-2009, 08:16 PM

Who the **** is Misfit? Is that Cassandra Cain's half brother from Destructions Daughter? Why would they have a dude as Batgirl? :rolleyes:

The Cool Thatguy

04-03-2009, 08:16 PM

http://dcublog.dccomics.com/category/editors/

Talk about creating more questions than answers! Is he saying they haven't even started on Batgirl yet?

And what's with this: "I'm surprised we ended up where we did." They hadn't even decided who Batgirl would be?

I'm starting to wonder if they may have started off in one direction and then changed their minds mid-stream.

More than likely. Isn't that why Dixon quit, because they changed course every five minutes?

joe27

04-03-2009, 08:20 PM

More than likely. Isn't that why Dixon quit, because they changed course every five minutes?

He was fired.

paulski

04-03-2009, 08:31 PM

Talk about creating more questions than answers! Is he saying they haven't even started on Batgirl yet?

And what's with this: "I'm surprised we ended up where we did." They hadn't even decided who Batgirl would be?

I'm starting to wonder if they may have started off in one direction and then changed their minds mid-stream.

Wouldn't be the first time. It's been happening far too often in the DCU lately for my liking. :frown:

Yeah, this is pretty worrying news. Sometimes I think these companies should just keep us in the dark for our own good.

Seraku

04-03-2009, 08:53 PM

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that's actually where I got my info, I just paraphrased it

Captain Jim

04-03-2009, 08:54 PM

Eww, I never even considered the possibility that Steph might be the new Batgirl. I hope they don't go that way.

She's so promiscuous and will probably just get pregnant again.

Oh, come on, that was years ago. You make her sound like a slut. :rolleyes:

Seraku

04-03-2009, 08:57 PM

Who the fuck is Misfit?she's this character Gail Simone created for Birds of Prey.

she's essentially an overpowered (strength, regen AND teleport) comedic relief character. I personally like her, but fan reaction has been quite divided on her, wit little middle ground that I've seen.

Captain Jim

04-03-2009, 08:57 PM

Who the **** is Misfit? Is that Cassandra Cain's half brother from Destructions Daughter? Why would they have a dude as Batgirl? :rolleyes:

Misfit is a teenage girl who was introduced in Birds of Prey sometime back. When she first appeared, she disguised herself as Batgirl (the Barbara Gordon version). She is a teleporter.

F1uke

04-03-2009, 09:00 PM

Misfit is a teenage girl who was introduced in Birds of Prey sometime back. When she first appeared, she disguised herself as Batgirl (the Barbara Gordon version). She is a teleporter.

Isn't rule number one of the Bat family (Besides don't talk about the Bat family) is no superpowers? I don't think they'd make her Batgirl again.

Captain Jim

04-03-2009, 09:04 PM

Isn't rule number one of the Bat family (Besides don't talk about the Bat family) is no superpowers? I don't think they'd make her Batgirl again.

Yeah, I agree.

Joe Acro

04-03-2009, 09:07 PM

I'm starting to wonder if they may have started off in one direction and then changed their minds mid-stream.
I really hope that's not the case.

But is likely the truth.

paulski

04-03-2009, 10:11 PM

I actually like Misfit. But she ain't no Batgirl.

I don't think there's much chance of that happening. I know I certainly wouldn't interested in picking up that book.

Henker

04-03-2009, 10:18 PM

I actually like Misfit. But she ain't no Batgirl.

I don't think there's much chance of that happening. I know I certainly wouldn't interested in picking up that book.
Misfit works well as a secondary character, a foil to the more uptight members of the Batfamily. She definitely couldn't hold a book on her own though.

paulski

04-03-2009, 11:25 PM

Exactly right, on both counts.

Golden_Tuna

04-03-2009, 11:55 PM

Eww, I never even considered the possibility that Steph might be the new Batgirl. I hope they don't go that way.

She's so promiscuous and will probably just get pregnant again.

All we know is that she slept with one guy. One. If that makes a person promiscuous, every being in this world is a whore.

And I'd for sure bet that going through the whole adoption process, as well as dating Tim- the eternal virgin- would change a person's perspectives on sex a bit.

carabas

04-04-2009, 01:33 AM

I'm starting to wonder if they may have started off in one direction and then changed their minds mid-stream.I think they were really putting Barbara Gordon back in the suit, and then saw that this was just a wee bit more controversial than they had thought, and then they maybe looked at sales of post-One More Day Amazing Spider-Man, and figured, "Okay, pissing off a large part of Babs' fanbase is perhaps not the best way to go. Who else do we have?"

Ben Reilly#6

04-04-2009, 03:46 AM

so today Mike Marts reports that the editors have finally tacked down the premise of Batgirl, as well as her identity.

later on he throws out the names "Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Misfit…" in the same sentence.

Just emerged from Dan’s office. Decided the fate of several characters. As usual, we created more questions then we set out to answer, but hey—that’s the fun part of the job. I’m surprised we ended up where we did, but WOW. Can’t wait to actually start on the title.

Ugh. Why does it feel like someone just farted in my face?

I can almost, almost stomach the idea of "Team Batgirl", but Misfit being featured in the book in any way? Oh hell no. And the fact that they're just now getting to it...ugh. It'll be a longshot if this actually turns out well.

joe27

04-04-2009, 05:43 AM

All we know is that she slept with one guy. One. If that makes a person promiscuous, every being in this world is a whore.

And I'd for sure bet that going through the whole adoption process, as well as dating Tim- the eternal virgin- would change a person's perspectives on sex a bit.

Did you actually see the guy who got her pregnant? He made a brief appearance in an issue of Robin (Steph kicked his ass).

He's some stonerish white guy with dreads. If her standards are so low that she'll sleep with him, I find it hard to believe he's the only guy she's had sex with.

I'd argue that dating Tim has only made her more promiscuous. If she couldn't control herself before (as evidenced by stonerish white guy with dreads), trying to stay faithful to a no-sex guy like Tim has probably had a compressed spring effect on her. She no doubt goes off every so often. A dirty weekend here and there.

Mister Intensity

04-04-2009, 08:11 AM

Cayman

04-04-2009, 08:32 AM

I think they were really putting Barbara Gordon back in the suit, and then saw that this was just a wee bit more controversial than they had thought, and then they maybe looked at sales of post-One More Day Amazing Spider-Man, and figured, "Okay, pissing off a large part of Babs' fanbase is perhaps not the best way to go. Who else do we have?"

A company that is just replaced Superman in its Superman titles and Batman in its Batman titles is afraid of controversy?

ScottyQuick

04-04-2009, 10:21 AM

Ugh. Why does it feel like someone just farted in my face?

I can almost, almost stomach the idea of "Team Batgirl", but Misfit being featured in the book in any way? Oh hell no. And the fact that they're just now getting to it...ugh. It'll be a longshot if this actually turns out well.

See, for me, it's the opposite. "Team Batgirl" is the only thing that would make me excited for Cass losing her cowl, and Charlie is just awesome.

Seraku

04-04-2009, 10:24 AM

Misfit works well as a secondary character, a foil to the more uptight members of the Batfamily. She definitely couldn't hold a book on her own though.

I kinda wanted her to join the TT, maybe that would make the book awesome again

carabas

04-04-2009, 10:30 AM

A company that is just replaced Superman in its Superman titles and Batman in its Batman titles is afraid of controversy?Superman is still around. Batman will make his way back to the present day in due time. But recripling Babs if the Batgirl gambit doesn't pay off (and it looks like it won't) is just silly.

Seraku

04-04-2009, 10:43 AM

Supen is still around. Batman will make his way back to the present day in due time. But recripling Babs if the Batgirl gambit doesn't pay off (and it looks like it won't) is just silly.

how many times was Xavier recrippled after being healed? :evilsmile:

Golden_Tuna

04-04-2009, 10:49 AM

Did you actually see the guy who got her pregnant? He made a brief appearance in an issue of Robin (Steph kicked his ass).

He's some stonerish white guy with dreads. If her standards are so low that she'll sleep with him, I find it hard to believe he's the only guy she's had sex with.

I'd argue that dating Tim has only made her more promiscuous. If she couldn't control herself before (as evidenced by stonerish white guy with dreads), trying to stay faithful to a no-sex guy like Tim has probably had a compressed spring effect on her. She no doubt goes off every so often. A dirty weekend here and there.

Yes I've seen him, she was also only 14...and aren't all of us ashamed/ embarrased of our first relationship? Did you read the issues when she actually gave birth? How completely traumatized she was about the whole ordeal? Your honestly gonna try to tell me that giving birth to your first child and having to give her away when you don't want to even though you know you have to, doesn't warp a persons world a little?

And the whole point of having Tim in Steph's life was to change her view of the world; she grew up when she was dating Tim. Remember when she first showed up in Detective she was completely prepared to murder her father when she caught him. Tim/Bruce changed her mind.

There was even a point in which Tim&Steph saved a convient store and Steph was content to steal a soda, figuring she earned it. Tim lectured her, and once again changed her mind. This theme is consistent through the whole Tim/Steph Robin run. Stephanie starts out making mistakes, being confused and Tim slowly points her a better direction.

To say being with him made her sex-starved, and more loose is missing the bigger picture. Like I said she made ONE mistake, and she's learned from it. Just like she's done with the millions of other mistakes she's made...lol

RonnieThunderbolts

04-04-2009, 11:01 AM

Yes I've seen him, she was also only 14...and aren't all of us ashamed/ embarrased of our first relationship? Did you read the issues when she actually gave birth? How completely traumatized she was about the whole ordeal? Your honestly gonna try to tell me that giving birth to your first child and having to give her away when you don't want to even though you know you have to, doesn't warp a persons world a little?

And the whole point of having Tim in Steph's life was to change her view of the world; she grew up when she was dating Tim. Remember when she first showed up in Detective she was completely prepared to murder her father when she caught him. Tim/Bruce changed her mind.

There was even a point in which Tim&Steph saved a convient store and Steph was content to steal a soda, figuring she earned it. Tim lectured her, and once again changed her mind. This theme is consistent through the whole Tim/Steph Robin run. Stephanie starts out making mistakes, being confused and Tim slowly points her a better direction.

To say being with him made her sex-starved, and more loose is missing the bigger picture. Like I said she made ONE mistake, and she's learned from it. Just like she's done with the millions of other mistakes she's made...lol

Yeah, there is nothing to indicate in the slightest way that Stephanie was EVER promiscuous. Getting pregnant proves that one has had sex ONCE. It in no way indicates an indiscriminate or especially active recreational sex life. You have it completely right Golden Tuna.

Hawkman

04-04-2009, 11:35 AM

I'm starting to wonder if they may have started off in one direction and then changed their minds mid-stream.
There's no doubt in my mind that this is exactly what's been going on with Hawkman over the last year or so. Just read the Hawkman Special from August and now look at what's taking place in Strange Adventures for proof. Heck, they killed both him and Hawkgirl off in Final Crisis, only to change their minds immediately thereafter, as the scene featuring Roy in a cemetery--though calling it a "park"--in the last issue of JLA pretty much indicates. (And was more or less confirmed by McDuffie.)

I can't imagine why Batgirl would be any different. It's why speculating over the future of DC's characters is so frustrating sometimes. I came up with what I thought was a pretty good theory (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8343517&postcount=72) regarding the intentions for Hawkman coming out of Starlin's special, but I've since given up on any of it coming to fruition.

The storylines for DC seem so malleable anymore that I've come to the conclusion that investing too much energy in trying to figure out where they're going ahead of time is often a wasted effort. Even if you're right today, you could still be wrong tomorrow, pending the whims of the editors. I'm not necessarily saying that as a criticism either, but rather as a matter of fact.

Henker

04-04-2009, 11:48 AM

There's no doubt in my mind that this is exactly what's been going on with Hawkman over the last year or so. Just read the Hawkman Special from August and now look at what's taking place in Strange Adventures for proof. Heck, they killed both him and Hawkgirl off in Final Crisis, only to change their minds immediately thereafter, as the scene featuring Roy in a cemetery--though calling it a "park"--in the last issue of JLA pretty much indicates. (And was more or less confirmed by McDuffie.)

I can't imagine why Batgirl would be any different. It's why speculating over the future of DC's characters is so frustrating sometimes. I came up with what I thought was a pretty good theory (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8343517&postcount=72) regarding the intentions for Hawkman coming out of Starlin's special, but I've since given up on any of it coming to fruition.

The storylines for DC seem so malleable anymore that I've come to the conclusion that investing too much energy in trying to figure out where they're going ahead of time is often a wasted effort. Even if you're right today, you could still be wrong tomorrow, pending the whims of the editors. I'm not necessarily saying that as a criticism either, but rather as a matter of fact.
No kidding. DC doesn't seem to have any sort of long term plan for too many of its books. They tell us something one day, then the next day they're telling us the exact opposite. It's a total mess right now, and one they need to solve soon lest they drive off too many readers.

Batgirl and the Hawks are among my favorite comic characters. Speculation right now is not fun.

Cayman

04-04-2009, 12:08 PM

Superman is still around. Batman will make his way back to the present day in due time. But recripling Babs if the Batgirl gambit doesn't pay off (and it looks like it won't) is just silly.

Oracle is Oracle because of her mind, not her disability. Barbara can continue to be Oracle even if she regains the use of her legs, and she can continue to be Oracle even if she resumes her Batgirl identity.

d newton

04-04-2009, 09:45 PM

I can almost, almost stomach the idea of "Team Batgirl", but Misfit being featured in the book in any way? Oh heck no. And the fact that they're just now getting to it...ugh. It'll be a longshot if this actually turns out well.
Have you read any Birds of Prey issues with Misfit in them?

Spiffy

04-05-2009, 12:06 AM

Oracle is Oracle because of her mind, not her disability. Barbara can continue to be Oracle even if she regains the use of her legs, and she can continue to be Oracle even if she resumes her Batgirl identity.
Ay caramba. Don't you and carabas have this same argument, with the SAME points made, every two months or so?

Joe Acro

04-05-2009, 09:00 AM

Oracle is Oracle because of her mind, not her disability. Barbara can continue to be Oracle even if she regains the use of her legs, and she can continue to be Oracle even if she resumes her Batgirl identity.I'm with you until that last thought.

I think being Oracle and being Batgirl is a conflict. She can't be running intelligence for the field while she herself is fighting in the field, and do so as effectively as doing such things individually.

Static-Pulse

04-05-2009, 12:20 PM

She can't be running intelligence for the field while she herself is fighting in the field, and do so as effectively as doing such things individually.

Sure she can. Oracle used to have an entire network of informants who worked for her, as shown in both the NML issues where she had people running around the ruins of gotham as well as one of the early issues of Sovereign Seven when one of her informants was investigating for her. Oracle's abilities also come from her software, which scours the public Internet as well as government intranets. Oracle could very easily work in the field, relying on an entire network of informants and software to collect and organize her information...sort of a wiki-powered super-hero.

That said, I wouldn't want Oracle to downgrade to Bat-anything. If she regains the use of her legs, I hope Oracle goes on to be a kind of international operative, taking on the troubleshooter role of Dixon's Black Canary and maybe introduce an AI personality (or Beryl Hutchinson!) to play the "Oracle" role.

That said, I don't think there are any writers or editors (Joe Casey notwithstanding) at DC who have the technological chops to pull something like that off. Greg Rucka might. I also don't think there's a market for an Oracle book where Babs becomes a spy-type character.