"Green Arrow/Black Canary" becomes "Green Arrow" again in July

[K-DoG7p7]

Soo..

Anyone heard of who thew creative team will be? because I won't pick it up if its Keisberg

[Flamebird]

And you're getting this information(on April Fools Day) from. . .?

[K-DoG7p7]

And you're getting this information(on April Fools Day) from. . .?
This Weeks DC NAtion..
I have had it confirmed from a lot of people..
People here who have their comics can confirm it


Its keeping the GA/BC numbering so its Green Arrow #22 in July

[spark627]

I wonder if this is true and not some sort of April Fool's joke being played by DC.

I imagine if this is true, then GA and BC are getting divorced...?...

I do think it is interesting that Dinah will be appearing in WW around this time. I am wondering if Gail is writing the BC feature.

[K-DoG7p7]

Its basically a confirmation of what NYtimes said the other day..
and no one is talking about a divorce.. might just be that they realize that married superheros do not have to be attached at the hip..

[spark627]

Its basically a confirmation of what NYtimes said the other day..
and no one is talking about a divorce.. might just be that they realize that married superheros do not have to be attached at the hip..

But if they are still married, why not keep it GA/BC and just had a half decent writer write it?

[Flamebird]

If it is true, they should just keep the title and split the book down the middle.

Let each character rotate to the "front" storyline for each arc and occasionally have the stories run together or cross over.

[Alexx1]

I'd like to see Tony Bedard writing the BC backup. He seems to have a fond respect for Dinah. It still amazes me though how so many DC writers CAN'T write her or other female heroines.

[joe27]

Good riddance. And I know a lot of married guys who try to spend as little time as possible with their wives, so if she's NEVER around, it won't be that farfetched.

I'm reminded of that great Liam Gallagher quote: "No such thing as happily married. If you wanna see the opposite sex sprout four heads, then exchange a couple of rings. You walk to the altar with a woman with one head and you walk back up with a fucking monster."

[Corrina]

Its basically a confirmation of what NYtimes said the other day..
and no one is talking about a divorce.. might just be that they realize that married superheros do not have to be attached at the hip..

Or maybe a realization that they made a mistake by taking Canary out of BoP and shoehorning her back into GA's life.

Because that worked so well for both titles and both characters.

As an editorial edict, this one was epic fail.

OTOH, Gail did say in another thread that Dinah will be showing up in WW. #34 and #35, yes?

[Corrina]

Good riddance. And I know a lot of married guys who try to spend as little time as possible with their wives, so if she's NEVER around, it won't be that farfetched.

I'm reminded of that great Liam Gallagher quote: "No such thing as happily married. If you wanna see the opposite sex sprout four heads, then exchange a couple of rings. You walk to the altar with a woman with one head and you walk back up with a fucking monster."

Joe.

C'mon.

Yeesh.

[joe27]

I'd like to see Tony Bedard writing the BC backup. He seems to have a fond respect for Dinah. It still amazes me though how so many DC writers CAN'T write her or other female heroines.

Sounds good to me, so long as it's done someplace other than Green Arrow.

A back-up featuring Connor Hawke makes the most sense, since he was Green Arrow for a while (is he still? i never really got how that worked), and is currently off on his own somewhere, no doubt having all sorts of adventures and we're missing out.

Black Canary already appears in JLA. She's like the critical darling of the line-up. Sort of like Lollapalooza '95, where Sonic Youth were the headliners, but people only went to see Hole.

Plus, so long as Black Canary is relegated to a back-up slot in a male character's book, people are going to complain of sexism. I thought the suggestion of having her back-up stories in Wonder Woman was a great idea, but apparently that's not happening.

[K-DoG7p7]

From the latest 20 questions on Nurama

16. There were some more questions about the co-features, chief among them a poster asked if the co-features would be ongoing, or if creators would come on for a period and tell a “co-feature” story and then another team would take the slot, or the book would lose its co-feature for a period, or...what?

DD: Well, the way we stand now, there are seven co-features in total – five were announced, and I can confirm the last two as being Captain Atom in Action Comics and we’ll be splitting Green Arrow and Black Canary in that series, so Green Lantern will have the lead feature, and Black Canary will have the co-feature. And before anyone gets upset about the feeling that Black canary should be the lead, that’s the most fluid of the co-features – we may see a full-on 30-page story with the two of them together, or Green Arrow taking a couple months as the co-feature while Black canary takes the lead slot. So that’s pretty fluid.

The plan is that those are the features at this time, until we choose differently – by which I mean that we have another character that could work in a co-feature slot or that a co-feature performs beyond our expectation and is able to spin off into their own project, leaving a vacancy. So there are several ways to see them change.

Still wont work without a new Creative team

[Lester C.]

Thankfully Dinah is slated for a back up feature. If she wasn't you know she was going to end up getting shoved into a refrigerator.

[Corrina]

Thankfully, she's a back-up feature???

She had her own BOOK before this mess started.

:sigh:

I don't want crumbs. I want my cake back.

[Lester C.]

Thankfully, she's a back-up feature???

She had her own BOOK before this mess started.

:sigh:

I don't want crumbs. I want my cake back.

No she didn't. I think it was only meant to be temporary to let Oracle shine but Gail herself wrote Dinah out of Birds of Prey a couple of years before the book was canceled despite strong sales over many, many years. I'm only bringing this up because with JLA disbanded, BOP canceled, and Dinah taken off Green Arrow and Black Canary the only place left for her is death and Limbo without the backup feature.

[Corrina]

No, Lester.

Gail wrote Canary out of BoP because it was an editorial decision to marry GA and BC. It was even in one of those DC Nation colums, with Didio telling Judd Winick to get them together.

Then we had the marriage issue/specials, and then into the GA/BC book.

[Crowley]

um... she's leader of the Justice League!

K,

ANOTHER Green Arrow thread? I can't be the only YABster who's sick of the constant bitching. I quite like the book... many others do.

Instead of spending loads of time tearing down a book... put that effort into making something yourself.

[K-DoG7p7]

Thankfully, she's a back-up feature???

She had her own BOOK before this mess started.

:sigh:

I don't want crumbs. I want my cake back.

she hasn't had her own book since the 90's

and BOP was a team book.. sure she was one of the stars but it was still a team..

[Lester C.]

she hasn't had her own book since the 90's

and BOP was a team book.. sure she was one of the stars but it was still a team..

I only read Gail's run but I would argue that BOP was Dinah's book and Oracle was a supporting character.

[K-DoG7p7]

Instead of spending loads of time tearing down a book... put that effort into making something yourself.
but.. I have been working on a comic, will probably never get past script.. but what the hell.. maybe if i get someone to draw it then maybe a web comic.. who knows


but this is a new thread because of ACTUAL NEWS, not rumors or bitch thread.. but actual news

[Lester C.]

um... she's leader of the Justice League!

K,

ANOTHER Green Arrow thread? I can't be the only YABster who's sick of the constant bitching. I quite like the book... many others do.

Instead of spending loads of time tearing down a book... put that effort into making something yourself.

See the lastest JLA thread for reasons why that's not the case.

[K-DoG7p7]

I only read Gail's run but I would argue that BOP was Dinah's book and Oracle was a supporting character.

Actually.. Gails run was Dinah, Helena and Babs trio title.. Dinah and Helena got the spotlight most of the time :p
Dixons BOP was Babs and Dinah (mostly Dinah)

[Lester C.]

Actually.. Gails run was Dinah, Helena and Babs trio title.. Dinah and Helena got the spotlight most of the time :p
Dixons BOP was Babs and Dinah (mostly Dinah)

My point excatly. It was more Dinah's book than anyone elses.

[K-DoG7p7]

See the lastest JLA thread for reasons why that's not the case.

lol.. You think Dinah is gone from the series?
have a look at covers for the upcoming issues :tongue:

[K-DoG7p7]

My point excatly. It was more Dinah's book than anyone elses.

I would argue that Dinah and Helena had the same amount of time in the spotlight in Gails run..

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Good riddance. And I know a lot of married guys who try to spend as little time as possible with their wives, so if she's NEVER around, it won't be that farfetched.

I'm reminded of that great Liam Gallagher quote: "No such thing as happily married. If you wanna see the opposite sex sprout four heads, then exchange a couple of rings. You walk to the altar with a woman with one head and you walk back up with a fucking monster."

Liam Gallagher is known for his patience and understanding. The fact him and his brother have fought so many times as adults show you this man isn't the voice you should be accepting. Good singer and band that Oasis is...but I'd go to the Gallagher's for marriage advice like I'd go to see Jerry Springer discuss politics.

[Corrina]

Actually.. Gails run was Dinah, Helena and Babs trio title.. Dinah and Helena got the spotlight most of the time :p
Dixons BOP was Babs and Dinah (mostly Dinah)

No, I would argue Dixon's BoP was Babs and Dinah but more Babs than Dinah.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Concerning Green Arrow....I'm sorry the entire thing wasn't working. I think its best to take Ollie and focus the series on him and keep Dinah as support. This way the usual plots of Dinah being a hostage won't happen.

My main hope is Mike Grell comes on the series and fixes the character.

[shrike]

um... she's leader of the Justice League!

K,

ANOTHER Green Arrow thread? I can't be the only YABster who's sick of the constant bitching. I quite like the book... many others do.

Instead of spending loads of time tearing down a book... put that effort into making something yourself.

If you don't like the threads hating on the GA/BC situation, stop reading them. And MAYBE the effort people are putting into things is, I dunno, speaking their mind (and their wallets) about the piss poor content of said book. Just because I'm not aspiring to be a writer or an artist doesn't mean I (or anyone else) can't call a piece of shit a piece of shit. And trust me a lot of people find the series a big, heaping piece of shit with a side order of shit.

Re: Bad threads. No one has a gun to your head, Jesus. :rolleyes:

[Crowley]

If you don't like the threads hating on the GA/BC situation, stop reading them. And MAYBE the effort people are putting into things is, I dunno, speaking their mind (and their wallets) about the piss poor content of said book. Just because I'm not aspiring to be a writer or an artist doesn't mean I (or anyone else) can't call a piece of shit a piece of shit. And trust me a lot of people find the series a big, heaping piece of shit with a side order of shit.

Re: Bad threads. No one has a gun to your head, Jesus. :rolleyes:

How many forums do you need to bitch?

The DC forum isn't enough?

Jesus... what a fucking waste of time. Bitch here all you want, but one thread per forum should be enough.

[shrike]

Jesus... what a fucking waste of time.

Much then like 'responding' to those who hate it, which I'm sure is equally 'lame'.

Well you can enjoy it equally on both boards then. In fact, you could hit all the big boards on the internet, they are all pretty much filled with bile by a multitude of posters at the crap your 'good pal' Norton and Kreisberg drudge out every month. LOL

[Corrina]

Crowley, please chill.

Shrike, if you could try to use less swear words, especially ones that dance around calling the writer itself a bad name, that would be good. :)

[shrike]

Shrike, if you could try to use less swear words, especially ones that dance around calling the writer itself a bad name, that would be good. :)

I will try but I may very well fail my 'Curse Like A Sailor' course I've been taking at nights.

[Crowley]

Much then like 'responding' to those who hate it, which I'm sure is equally 'lame'.

Well you can enjoy it equally on both boards then. In fact, you could hit all the big boards on the internet, they are all pretty much filled with bile by a multitude of posters at the crap your 'good pal' Norton and Kreisberg drudge out every month. LOL

the recursive loop you and several others continually twist in to justify the miserable bitching continues to be hilarious.

The bad stereotype of online comic nerd is the reason that the pros don't listen and don't take seriously a large percentage of the online bitching.

[Lester C.]

Much then like 'responding' to those who hate it, which I'm sure is equally 'lame'.

Well you can enjoy it equally on both boards then. In fact, you could hit all the big boards on the internet, they are all pretty much filled with bile by a multitude of posters at the crap your 'good pal' Norton and Kreisberg drudge out every month. LOL

Mike Norton's is Tom Stillwell's friend. He might know Crowley as well, but it's Tom who has weekly drinks with him.

[Crowley]

Mike Norton's is Tom Stillwell's friend. He might know Crowley as well, but it's Tom who has weekly drinks with him.

Clarification: the three (Mike, Tom and I) of us join several others every week in Chicago for a Drink and Draw, and I knew Mike about 2 years before I knew Tom because we both worked at the same company (ddp) at different times. Skottie Young started it. It's a lot of fun.

[DavidAllred]

I like the book ok now. There are still some major problems that I believe stem from DC not understanding either character at all; therefore they seem a bit clueless on how to best use them.

That said, after 30 years of collecting all things Ollie, I can honestly say I've been jerked around enough this decade to formally declare:

"I don't give a flying crap what they do anymore."

Something tells me that given the sales numbers, there are approximately 75,000 readers who see it the same way.

[Lester C.]

Clarification: the three (Mike, Tom and I) of us join several others every week in Chicago for a Drink and Draw. Skottie Young started it. It's a lot of fun.

That's cool. I'd love to hang out a comic book creator I love like Garth Ennis.

[shrike]

the recursive loop you and several others continually twist in to justify the miserable bitching continues to be hilarious.

The bad stereotype of online comic nerd is the reason that the pros don't listen and don't take seriously a large percentage of the online bitching.

Dear, if I get an undercooked steak I'm going to send it back. Every. Single. Time.

If they don't listen, then I find it excruciatingly funny how flustered, frustrated and downright childish some of them get, then.

[Crowley]

Dear, if I get an undercooked steak I'm going to send it back. Every. Single. Time.

If they don't listen, then I find it excruciatingly funny how flustered, frustrated and downright childish some of them get, then.

Fair enough.

I just won't go to the restaurant again, I don't feel the need to go scream at the chefs every night.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Theres a reason why there is so many Green Arrow threads made. He's a character who many remember as being pretty damn good at one point. Now add the fact he's been part of Identity Crisis , had a huge marriage that happened in the books and revamped into a series with Black Canary who has her fans....its no shock there is a ton of threads dedicated to the character.

I support K-Dawg in his determination to see Green Arrow done right. I know a few laughed at me when I pretty much in threads that McDuffie was on , beg for Roy Harper and Kendra to be broken up. And it happened ...:tongue:

[BnL]

I would argue that Dinah and Helena had the same amount of time in the spotlight in Gails run..

Nah, I'd say BoP was clearly Dinah's book during Gail's run, with Babs a close second. Dinah got the most storylines, and Helena the least. In fact, I can only recall Helena having one major plot that was really her own (when she infiltrated the mob to collect information on them). I'm pretty sure I remember Gail saying that she regretted not getting the chance to do more with Helena as well, so that would lend itself to the notion that Huntress got the least amount of time in the spotlight.

[Lester C.]

Nah, I'd say BoP was clearly Dinah's book during Gail's run, with Babs a close second. Dinah got the most storylines, and Helena the least. In fact, I can only recall Helena having one major plot that was really her own (when she infiltrated the mob to collect information on them). I'm pretty sure I remember Gail saying that she regretted not getting the chance to do more with Helena as well, so that would lend itself to the notion that Huntress got the least amount of time in the spotlight.

You and everyone else are wrong! Creote, Savant and Josh were the REAL stars of Gail's run and I don't give a *censored who knows it!:cool: