BPRD: Mysterious Object

[Gary_B]

I've become a little obsessed with this object that Roger found. Liz used it to channel her abilities at the conclusion of The Black Flame and it was kicked into the same fissure that the Frogs dragged the Black Flame into. I have a feeling that we are going to be seeing that object again soon in the pages of the BPRD.

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Recent developments involve Memnan Saa, who made Liz aware of it, and hint at a return of The Black Flame so I think the mysterious object may show up again.

[hellboyone]

I want to make fresh orange juice with it.

[THE REAL kirk]

Orange Juice of the Damned!

[Noct]

I can't remember where, but it's also in the Hellboy 2 movie. Somewhere. I think in the troll market.

I'll just have to take another gander. Not that it has any relevance to the book, but I remember noticing it.

[Ontarah]

Yea, it wouldn't surprise me. We never did really learn what the heck that thing was. I can't say I'm thrilled about the Black Flame coming back though. I thought he was a little cheeseball. Oh well, I guess I can enjoy the BPRD throwing his cheeseball butt back down some other big fissure or other.

[Gary_B]

Yea, it wouldn't surprise me. We never did really learn what the heck that thing was. I can't say I'm thrilled about the Black Flame coming back though. I thought he was a little cheeseball. Oh well, I guess I can enjoy the BPRD throwing his cheeseball butt back down some other big fissure or other.

Let's try to have a thread where we say positive things about the comics on this board. Or am I just being a dreamer?

[Myron L]

Gary...I think it's an Adult Novelty Item of the Damned...probably from the basement of the Marquis de Sade...

[Ontarah]

Let's try to have a thread where we say positive things about the comics on this board. Or am I just being a dreamer?

Ok, sorry. I think that I didn't quite qualify what I meant up there. It sounds like I'm all embittered and that's not what I meant. I would actually welcome a return of this device specifically because we did not learn all the answers. I'm not complaining that we did not get all the answers beforehand only commenting that the lack of answers probably implies we will see it again. Now, I did mean that about the Black Flame, but I will admit it was off topic.

Anyway, on the topic of the strange device. I just looked up some things in the Black Flame and examined all the Saa visions in there. It seems to me that Saa actually did not really want to point out that device to Liz. Now, whether that's because he wanted her to discover it on her own or because he thinks she doesn't need it is up in the air, but I'm inclinded to think it's the later. He keeps saying things like "you are the key" and "did you not learn the path at the monastery?" It's only once she has Johann help her track Saa down and she starts angrily demanding answers that he reveals the device saying he had hoped she would arrive at the answer on her own but grief over the homunculus clouded her judgement. He also admits in the lastest issue of Black Goddess that he handled Liz improperly or else abduction would not have been neccesary. Now, that could all mean something, or it could mean nothing. I'm personally inclined to think that Liz herself is the key, or more specifically her vril is. That device seems like it can be used for harnessing the vril out of the sky, but Liz already has vril inside herself. I think Saa pointed her towards it because he recognized his tactics weren't working perfectly and that it would help her out, but maybe it fell down the hole because she doesn't need it any longer. Maybe she's sort of grown past it in a way. Not sayin this proves anything. Just that it's a possibility.

Another thing. I forget where, but it's also implied that that device was used by ancient shamans who were taught how to channel vril. In that case, I would hazard a guess that there are more than just that one of those devices around.

[Donald]

I'm reading BPRD the trades so I don't have all the current info, but I'm thinking the Object is either part of the statue the Right Hand of Doom was attached to in Hyperboria or a piece of the watcher that created the Ogdru-Jahad. Strange Places says all parts of that watcher were destroyed, but something that size could escape notice in the confusion. I think that Liz's fire is the fire that watcher stole to create the Ogdru-Jahad, which is why it could kill Katha-Hem when amplified through a piece of the watcher that started it all or something that was in contact with his hand for thousands of years.

Donald

[pimpernel]

I can't say I'm thrilled about the Black Flame coming back though. I thought he was a little cheeseball.

You take that back damn you Ontarah! :mad:

[Jelio]

Let's try to have a thread where we say positive things about the comics on this board. Or am I just being a dreamer?

hahaha i was surprised by that comment and found it a bit funny ... i think we all love Hellboy and BPRD or else we shouldnt be on this board,

that being said if i (or other people) ever make a negative comment about something it is because 99% of Hellboy and BPRD we are already very happy with and we just make a comment because we care

Perhaps its like being in a marriage ... sometimes you forget to say nice things to your significant other that you love and all that it seems you do comment about is how come they didnt clean the dishes



-Jeremy

[Gary_B]

Anyway, on the topic of the strange device. I just looked up some things in the Black Flame and examined all the Saa visions in there. It seems to me that Saa actually did not really want to point out that device to Liz. Now, whether that's because he wanted her to discover it on her own or because he thinks she doesn't need it is up in the air, but I'm inclinded to think it's the later. He keeps saying things like "you are the key" and "did you not learn the path at the monastery?" It's only once she has Johann help her track Saa down and she starts angrily demanding answers that he reveals the device saying he had hoped she would arrive at the answer on her own but grief over the homunculus clouded her judgement. He also admits in the lastest issue of Black Goddess that he handled Liz improperly or else abduction would not have been neccesary. Now, that could all mean something, or it could mean nothing. I'm personally inclined to think that Liz herself is the key, or more specifically her vril is. That device seems like it can be used for harnessing the vril out of the sky, but Liz already has vril inside herself. I think Saa pointed her towards it because he recognized his tactics weren't working perfectly and that it would help her out, but maybe it fell down the hole because she doesn't need it any longer. Maybe she's sort of grown past it in a way. Not sayin this proves anything. Just that it's a possibility.

Another thing. I forget where, but it's also implied that that device was used by ancient shamans who were taught how to channel vril. In that case, I would hazard a guess that there are more than just that one of those devices around.

Saa definitely shows Liz visions of (Hyperborian?) Shamans wielding the object. There is an image of one in my opening post. He has a hand-print on his forehead and a flame over his head. I'm a bit concerned about the Black Flame getting a hold of it because his suit is remarkably similar to the vril energy suit in the Lobster Johnson tpb. That and the fact that the object went down the same hole he was dragged into at the conclusion to The Black Flame arc. The mysterious object appears to be metal. Was it rusty when Roger found it? It is red and textural up on the orange-juicer end and metallic looking on the "handle". After Liz channels huge energy through it and it falls to the ground it appears to be all metallic.

I'm reading BPRD the trades so I don't have all the current info, but I'm thinking the Object is either part of the statue the Right Hand of Doom was attached to in Hyperboria or a piece of the watcher that created the Ogdru-Jahad. Strange Places says all parts of that watcher were destroyed, but something that size could escape notice in the confusion. I think that Liz's fire is the fire that watcher stole to create the Ogdru-Jahad, which is why it could kill Katha-Hem when amplified through a piece of the watcher that started it all or something that was in contact with his hand for thousands of years.

Donald

Interesting theories, Donald. It's definitely a powerful object and hopefully we'll learn more about it from Mike and John.

hahaha i was surprised by that comment and found it a bit funny ... i think we all love Hellboy and BPRD or else we shouldnt be on this board,

that being said if i (or other people) ever make a negative comment about something it is because 99% of Hellboy and BPRD we are already very happy with and we just make a comment because we care

Perhaps its like being in a marriage ... sometimes you forget to say nice things to your significant other that you love and all that it seems you do comment about is how come they didnt clean the dishes



-Jeremy

You may be right. I just find that over the last couple of BPRD arcs there has been less celebration of what's great in the comics and more complaining than there was when earlier arcs trickled out in monthly format.

I want to make fresh orange juice with it.

Gary...I think it's an Adult Novelty Item of the Damned...probably from the basement of the Marquis de Sade...

You two are probably as likely to be right as anyone when it comes to predicting where things will end up.

[Otto66]

The object in question is a dingus or doohikee also sometimes called a crappiepieceofjawnk. No doubt, the "Chekhov's Gun" of the BPRD.:biggrin:

[Gary_B]

The object in question is a dingus or doohikee also sometimes called a crappiepieceofjawnk. No doubt, the "Chekhov's Gun" of the BPRD.:biggrin:

I had to look that up, literate guy. I guess the doohikee already got set up as a loaded gun and Liz even followed the dictates of the literary device in the conclusion to the Black Flame story but when it was shown being knocked into the same hole that the frogs dragged poor old Flamey into the gun was re-loaded.