X-Force #13 - Review and Spoilers

[Shyft]

- Quick, we need to make a story seem really important and to give it a lot of "weight"!
- I know, let's kill off yet another X-character! That always works!
-*hi5*

Oh how I love X-Farce.

I realise 34 pages is alot to wade through, but there have been a ton of reasons why killing Boom Boom worked story-line wise.

[jarrod]

Sam is Tabby's ex-boyfriend. He has to be informed. What, Cyclops is gonna bury her without telling anyone? LOL.
Bobby too. And she was flirty with the other Bobby and Rictor also. Tab gets around.

I know the New Mutants are going to be (in part) set up by Cyke, but I sort of wonder if they won't be the ones leading the opposition once this gets out...

[Majinoaw]

I think X-Force will get back in time and clean this up. I don't think this sticks. If anything it'll be a dirty secret that X-Force has to keep if they save her. The internal agony will eat them up inside.

[AcesX1X]

this book really does need more explosions.

kyle and yost, make it happen!

[Mr. Cakes]

I think X-Force will get back in time and clean this up. I don't think this sticks. If anything it'll be a dirty secret that X-Force has to keep if they save her. The internal agony will eat them up inside.

That would be unfair to Beautiful Dreamer and Fever Pitch. That's like saying their lives aren't as important as Boom Boom's, and while they perhaps aren't in the X-Men's eyes, it would just show incredible bias. I hope they get to the other two in order to save them, though.

[Trississ]

Every month I imagine Chris and Craig giggling hysterically while reading the review threads for X-Force. It must be amusing from their standpoint to see us beating our heads against the wall wondering what will happen. Sadistic bastards! :biggrin:

[CMBMOOL]

Every month I imagine Chris and Craig giggling hysterically while reading the review threads for X-Force. It must be amusing from their standpoint to see us beating our heads against the wall wondering what will happen. Sadistic bastards! :biggrin:
I guess that's were they get their kicks, by tormenting us and kill off some fan favorities in the process.

[AcesX1X]

Every month I imagine Chris and Craig giggling hysterically while reading the review threads for X-Force. It must be amusing from their standpoint to see us beating our heads against the wall wondering what will happen. Sadistic bastards! :biggrin:

i know, it's hot right?!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Every month I imagine Chris and Craig giggling hysterically while reading the review threads for X-Force. It must be amusing from their standpoint to see us beating our heads against the wall wondering what will happen. Sadistic bastards! :biggrin:

I have no idea what you're talking about.


1. You're f***ed if you chose Cyke's fortress.
2. You're even more f****ed if you didn't pick Cyke's fortress.
3. Just you wait for the mutanthunt if you have anything to do with X-Force.
***X-Factor team members may claim exemption since no self-respecting villain actually cares.

Pretty straightforward, really.

[Scavenger]

Boom Boom is friends with the Beyonder.....THE beyonder...

I was going to point this out...that's a good get out of death free card to have, no?

[Hakael]

I've decided to stop hating Cyclops. I just severely dislike him. He may have left Boom Boom for dead, but he did tell Logan that he would take care of Surge and Hellion. He said he'd send some other people after them. And he did wait until Leper Queen said where they were before he sent X-Force to the future. So at least the X-Men can save them now.

And if they don't, THEN I'll go back to hating Cyke.

But how can the X-Men save them? This is an altered version of the Legacy Virus, and its fast acting. Hell, Leper Queen told them to hurry up and was worried they'd go nuclear in transit. They just sent the healer out with X-Force. Even if Scott sent a team to free them, they'd still die without Elixir. Beast won't have time to alter the cure they have for the virus to match the changes sinister made without looking at a sample. X-Force will have to come back in the right time frame to save them.

[darknessatnoon]

But how can the X-Men save them? This is an altered version of the Legacy Virus, and its fast acting. Hell, Leper Queen told them to hurry up and was worried they'd go nuclear in transit. They just sent the healer out with X-Force. Even if Scott sent a team to free them, they'd still die without Elixir. Beast won't have time to alter the cure they have for the virus to match the changes sinister made without looking at a sample.

Wow...

You're right.

Surge and Hellion are toast.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

If it's any consolation, Cyke & cie most likely fail in at least one timeline.

[AcesX1X]

Wow...

You're right.

Surge and Hellion are toast.

LOL.

perfect response.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wow...

You're right.

Surge and Hellion are toast.

Curfew at Casa Cyclops doesn't sound so bad now, eh?

[AcesX1X]

Curfew at Casa Cyclops doesn't sound so bad now, eh?

hellion was abducted down the street from "casa cyclops."

surge was probably in one of the dumpsters around back.

[CmX]

If Hellion and Surge do end up dead, I hope they go out in a sexy revealing dress as well.

[Scavenger]

Wow...

You're right.

Surge and Hellion are toast.

He didn't say he'd save them. He said he'd "take care of them".

He meant with a squeegee.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

hellion was abducted down the street from "casa cyclops."

surge was probably in one of the dumpsters around back.

You could've just pointed out the upcoming UXM arc rather than indulge in hyperboles and shameless lies. :tongue:

And I'll assume you skipped over my quick summary of the current x-verse...?

[AcesX1X]

You could've just pointed out the upcoming UXM arc rather than indulge in hyperboles and shameless lies. :tongue:

i don't read UXM, i have no idea what you're talking about.

it's not a lie. what do you mean? hellion was clearly at the starbucks in san francisco.

yes, that would be a fair assumption. feel free to link me if you feel it's important.

[Hakael]

After thinking about it more, its possible for Beast to have analyzed a sample from Beautiful Dreamer to work out a cure, (Fever Pitch probably ashed himself, so nothing there). Even so, Dreamer died two days before Surge and Hellion got infected. That's not much time to work with, and Cyclops had Beast on looking for Cable, so its not very likely.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

i don't read UXM, i have no idea what you're talking about.

Casa Cyclops = getting murdered by porn stars/bad girls

Dodging curfew = BOOM


it's not a lie. what do you mean? hellion was clearly at the starbucks in san francisco.

THE Starbucks?

yes, that would be a fair assumption. feel free to link me if you feel it's important.

12 posts up.

[AcesX1X]

After thinking about it more, its possible for Beast to have analyzed a sample from Beautiful Dreamer to work out a cure, (Fever Pitch probably ashed himself, so nothing there). Even so, Dreamer died two days before Surge and Hellion got infected. That's not much time to work with, and Cyclops had Beast on looking for Cable, so its not very likely.

get real.

it took beast ten years to find a cure to the first legacy virus, and even then....it wasn't even him who found the cure.

you expect him to find a cure to virus #2 in one issue?! LOL.

[Trississ]

After thinking about it more, its possible for Beast to have analyzed a sample from Beautiful Dreamer to work out a cure, (Fever Pitch probably ashed himself, so nothing there). Even so, Dreamer died two days before Surge and Hellion got infected. That's not much time to work with, and Cyclops had Beast on looking for Cable, so its not very likely.

True... but Beast has the X-Club now. They can divide their attention.
*snickers*

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

After thinking about it more, its possible for Beast to have analyzed a sample from Beautiful Dreamer to work out a cure, (Fever Pitch probably ashed himself, so nothing there). Even so, Dreamer died two days before Surge and Hellion got infected. That's not much time to work with, and Cyclops had Beast on looking for Cable, so its not very likely.

That, and Hank hasn't exactly been in the business or succeeding these days, lol.

But then again... SI.

[darknessatnoon]

True... but Beast has the X-Club now. They can divide their attention.
*snickers*

That's true. They seem like a very cooperative bunch who will follow Beast's orders without question.

[Hakael]

get real.

it took beast ten years to find a cure to the first legacy virus, and even then....it wasn't even him who found the cure.

you expect him to find a cure to virus #2 in one issue?! LOL.

Did I not say in my post that he doesn't have time and its not likely? I thought I did.

[madrox1977]

This issue was amazing and the ending just left me speechless, cyke is officially a naughty swear word that women hate.

A+

[AcesX1X]

Did I not say in my post that he doesn't have time and its not likely? I thought I did.

the fact that you even brought up the possibility is what concerns me more.

[tunasammiches]

What?? Not Boom Boom!! My heart broke on that last page. It's so tragic! I loved her as a supporting character. Marvel's so dark now, they could use characters like her around. I hope X-Force does come back in the same moment in time and save her. But I have a feeling that solution's too obvious for C&C. That being said, it was brilliant that of all people, they chose her. And they chose her to die in the XForce book, which I think makes her death even less meaningless than what some people on this thread are saying. Her death impacts so many characters. It's just sad that death has to be the way to do it.

Question: What relationship does Tabby have to the Vanisher?

I hate it when characters are in real danger, even new characters like the kids (Hellion and Surge) and the only writers that make me feel that way are C&C. Truth is, I don't want anyone to die. Except maybe Sage. And the new Cypher.

As much as it tore me up to see her die, and see Cyclop's degeneration into being a heartless muthaf$^%#er, I have to admit, these are the most poignant moments each of these characters have had in years. I hope that if Boom Boom really IS dead... then we see it having major repercussions to Cyclops. The way he's behaving by keeping secrets from Emma, Beasts reactions in this book and Uncanny, and everything that's going down with XForce, it's all going to end in a really big way. Hopefully when that happens it'll be written by C&C.

[Hakael]

the fact that you even brought up the possibility is what concerns me more.

I'm a Hellion fan, and a Surge fan to a lesser degree. I'm looking for a way out, even if its not possible without Elixir. I'm in denial. Let me work through the stages of grief please.

[AcesX1X]

I'm a Hellion fan, and a Surge fan to a lesser degree. I'm looking for a way out, even if its not possible without Elixir. I'm in denial. Let me work through the stages of grief please.

i don't know what stage of grief i am in.

[darknessatnoon]

i don't know what stage of grief i am in.

I'm in the elation stage.

[AcesX1X]

I'm in the elation stage.

i'm honestly on the verge. i feel like i could collapse on the inside at any second. it's very exhilirating, but maddening at the same time.

[Optic Rage!]

Aces, i left a messege for you in X-Cres.

beware

[ClanAskani]

I liked the issue, but I think that it's hindered by all the past lack of explanation about why the messiah baby is so important. Scott comes off as a complete ass, which probably isn't the intent. He's suppose to be having to make an impossibly difficult decision. But it seems rather wreckless and stupid to me.

The problem I have with Scott being willing to sacrifice Julian, Nori and Tabitha to save the baby, is that there’s little reason other than hope and faith that she’s going to save mutantkind. They don’t know why she was born, what she can do or if she actually can save mutantkind. She’s sort of a vague symbol of hope.

So, Scott’s motivations seem rather irrational. If his whole mission is to save mutantkind, and he’s willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish that. Yet, there’s no evidence that the messiah baby actually will help the cause. And everything that is being done to protect her is costing more and more mutant lives. But for what?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But for what?

Sure, it's one hell of a Hail Mary. Still, two mutant time travellers aknowledge and are willing to kill each other over how important she is to the mutant species.

[ClanAskani]

Sure, it's one hell of a Hail Mary. Still, two mutant time travellers aknowledge and are willing to kill each other over how important she is to the mutant species.

But neither Cable or Bishop's futures are "the future". Their timelines have already changed. And Bishop is flippin' nuts.

And Cable isn't telling Scott to let the rest of the mutants die to protect the baby.

[Swashbuckler]

I liked the issue, but I think that it's hindered by all the past lack of explanation about why the messiah baby is so important. Scott comes off as a complete ass, which probably isn't the intent. He's suppose to be having to make an impossibly difficult decision. But it seems rather wreckless and stupid to me.

The problem I have with Scott being willing to sacrifice Julian, Nori and Tabitha to save the baby, is that there’s little reason other than hope and faith that she’s going to save mutantkind. They don’t know why she was born, what she can do or if she actually can save mutantkind. She’s sort of a vague symbol of hope.

So, Scott’s motivations seem rather irrational. If his whole mission is to save mutantkind, and he’s willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish that. Yet, there’s no evidence that the messiah baby actually will help the cause. And everything that is being done to protect her is costing more and more mutant lives. But for what?


The point is, he's trusting Cable. Cable claims to know that this baby is the Messiah and that this baby will save the mutants. His relationship to Cable is the focal point behind it all. His trusting him to take this kid, just life he trusted the Askani to take Cable when he was a baby. He doesn't know exactly how it happens, he's trusting that Cable knows.

[darknessatnoon]

Gambit and Storm pressed young Bishop into a psychotic hatred of the Messiah Baby for no real reason. He must have it confused with Rachel Summers. And Cable took bullets for the baby because his biological clock is ticking and he felt like playing Daddy.

Cyclops is clearly acting on just a hunch.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And Cable isn't telling Scott to let the rest of the mutants die to protect the baby.

You're absolutely right. Cable already left them to fend for themselves. Kinda what Messiah Complex was all about, really.

Anyway, forgot to mention Sins, Blue & Exodus having an interest in it. Still four big names if you insist on not including Bishop.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Gambit and Storm pressed young Bishop into a psychotic hatred of the Messiah Baby for no real reason. He must have it confused with Rachel Summers. And Cable took bullets for the baby because his biological clock is ticking and he felt like playing Daddy.

Cyclops is clearly acting on just a hunch.

'Daddy' issues with Sinister, then? :biggrin:

[Trississ]

I liked the issue, but I think that it's hindered by all the past lack of explanation about why the messiah baby is so important. Scott comes off as a complete ass, which probably isn't the intent. He's suppose to be having to make an impossibly difficult decision. But it seems rather wreckless and stupid to me.

The problem I have with Scott being willing to sacrifice Julian, Nori and Tabitha to save the baby, is that there’s little reason other than hope and faith that she’s going to save mutantkind. They don’t know why she was born, what she can do or if she actually can save mutantkind. She’s sort of a vague symbol of hope.

So, Scott’s motivations seem rather irrational. If his whole mission is to save mutantkind, and he’s willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish that. Yet, there’s no evidence that the messiah baby actually will help the cause. And everything that is being done to protect her is costing more and more mutant lives. But for what?


Agreed.
The only evidence that she can save (or damn for that matter) mutankind is circumstantial. Cyclops seems to be working off the assumption that other groups (the Marauders, Purifiers, Cable, Bishop etc..) have more information than they do, which may or may not be true. But he doesn't know for sure. Sure, she's the only mutant born after M-Day, but what does that mean exactly? She's an exception to the Scarlett Witch's spell or that the Scarlett Witch's spell will not prevent mutants from being born? Obviously the spell didn't irradicate the mutant gene entirely and no one seems to know why. What makes anyone sure more mutants won't be born eventually?
Also, what's the point? If Cyclops keeps sacrificing mutants, there won't be a race to save.
Also, who can say what X-Force's presence in the future will do? They may help, but they may end up causing more problems than they solve. There are some serious issues on the team right now, who knows who's going to go postal next.

Overall it seems like a huge gamble on odds no one can calculate.

[Trississ]

The point is, he's trusting Cable. Cable claims to know that this baby is the Messiah and that this baby will save the mutants. His relationship to Cable is the focal point behind it all. His trusting him to take this kid, just life he trusted the Askani to take Cable when he was a baby. He doesn't know exactly how it happens, he's trusting that Cable knows.

I'm sure Cyclops's trust in Cable is a soothing balm to Hellion, Surge and Boom-Boom. Well, Hellion and Surge at least.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I seem to recall it being refered to as an 'Hail Mary' on panel.

Just saying.

[darknessatnoon]

I'm sure Cyclops's trust in Cable is a soothing balm to Hellion, Surge and Boom-Boom. Well, Hellion and Surge at least.

Those aren't exactly the three most unselfish X-Men ever. I say Cyclops was culling the weak links. First Rogue, then the uppity children.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Those aren't exactly the three most unselfish X-Men ever. I say Cyclops was culling the weak links. First Rogue, then the uppity children.

The curfew obviously was a test, eh.

[Trississ]

Those aren't exactly the three most unselfish X-Men ever. I say Cyclops was culling the weak links. First Rogue, then the uppity children.

LOL, that's very true. But they were at least on his side. What happens when he runs out of selfish mutants to sacrifice?

[Omega Alpha]

Agreed.
The only evidence that she can save (or damn for that matter) mutankind is circumstantial. Cyclops seems to be working off the assumption that other groups (the Marauders, Purifiers, Cable, Bishop etc..) have more information than they do, which may or may not be true. But he doesn't know for sure. Sure, she's the only mutant born after M-Day, but what does that mean exactly? She's an exception to the Scarlett Witch's spell or that the Scarlett Witch's spell will not prevent mutants from being born? Obviously the spell didn't irradicate the mutant gene entirely and no one seems to know why. What makes anyone sure more mutants won't be born eventually?
Also, what's the point? If Cyclops keeps sacrificing mutants, there won't be a race to save.
Also, who can say what X-Force's presence in the future will do? They may help, but they may end up causing more problems than they solve. There are some serious issues on the team right now, who knows who's going to go postal next.

We've already seen what the baby can do in MC when she restored Rogue's sanity with only one touch, and she's clearly very powerful. We just don't know how much.

[QUOTE=Trississ;8609596
Overall it seems like a huge gamble on odds no one can calculate.[/QUOTE]

But that's exactly what is.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Huh, Hellion wasn't really on his side after MC, was he?

[darknessatnoon]

LOL, that's very true. But they were at least on his side. What happens when he runs out of selfish mutants to sacrifice?

Rogue will touch someone else and he can sacrifice her again.

[Prodigy55]

Boom Boom's death is the fault of Seres.

Chris Yost saw your "Hellion must die" thread (and the other one about hitting him) and was angered that you wanted to kill one of his babies. He acted accordingly by killing someone in your sig.

He will kill Molly Hayes in Runaways #10.

[Swashbuckler]

Knowing the future and the diverging timelines are my LEAST favorite thing in the X-Books right now. Heroes plots end up sucking everytime they try to incorporate some "future" one must change. It's what makes Rachel Grey the crappiest character ever. It's what makes Bishop such a hot mess. They need to just kill all these "future" clowns and the baby. Then things could proceed like normal.

[Trississ]

We've already seen what the baby can do in MC when she restored Rogue's sanity with only one touch, and she's clearly very powerful. We just don't know how much.



But that's exactly what is.

Exactly... we don't know exactly how powerful she is. Hell, we don't even know exactly what her power is.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Exactly... we don't know exactly how powerful she is. Hell, we don't even know exactly what her power is.

All we know is that it changes the course of destiny, lol. :wink:

[Prodigy55]

They're probably going to drop her down a flight of stairs one day and abruptly end this Messiah nonsense.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Actually, Cable would have drop down aforementioned stairs too.

Just to be on the safe side.

[ClanAskani]

Just because Hope might be powerful doesn't justify Scott sacrificing three mutants to save her. He seems to think that he absolutely has no choice. The mutant race depends on the messiah baby. But why? He doesn't know.

He may trust Cable now, but Cable has gone off the deep end before (Burnt Offerings, anyone?) Cable went off on his own to save the baby. He didn't want the X-Men's help. Scott hasn't questioned why he has to do this. It's great he has trust in his son, but it's difficult to see why he's making the decisions that he is when he doesn't have all the information and is making seemingly rash decisions based on the belief that the messiah baby saves mutantkind.

I don't want to hate Scott, but I do if he's going to not wait a couple of hours to protect his former students to send X-Force off on a wild goose chase. And it's not like he doesn't have a whole X-Men "army" to send to the future after Cable if X-force was busy elsewhere.

[darknessatnoon]

Just because Hope might be powerful doesn't justify Scott sacrificing three mutants to save her. He seems to think that he absolutely has no choice. The mutant race depends on the messiah baby. But why? He doesn't know.

He may trust Cable now, but Cable has gone off the deep end before (Burnt Offerings, anyone?) Cable went off on his own to save the baby. He didn't want the X-Men's help. Scott hasn't questioned why he has to do this. It's great he has trust in his son, but it's difficult to see why he's making the decisions that he is when he doesn't have all the information and is making seemingly rash decisions based on the belief that the messiah baby saves mutantkind.

I don't want to hate Scott, but I do if he's going to not wait a couple of hours to protect his former students to send X-Force off on a wild goose chase. And it's not like he doesn't have a whole X-Men "army" to send to the future after Cable if X-force was busy elsewhere.

The whole army of the X-Men isn't going to kill Bishop on his say so. That's why X-Force is there. They are a wetworks squad, not a bunch of New X-Men babysitters.

And Cyclops trusts Cable not only out of instinct, but because Professor Xavier also vouched for the importance of Cable's mission to protect the baby.

[Hakael]

Just because Hope might be powerful doesn't justify Scott sacrificing three mutants to save her. He seems to think that he absolutely has no choice. The mutant race depends on the messiah baby. But why? He doesn't know.

He may trust Cable now, but Cable has gone off the deep end before (Burnt Offerings, anyone?) Cable went off on his own to save the baby. He didn't want the X-Men's help. Scott hasn't questioned why he has to do this. It's great he has trust in his son, but it's difficult to see why he's making the decisions that he is when he doesn't have all the information and is making seemingly rash decisions based on the belief that the messiah baby saves mutantkind.

I don't want to hate Scott, but I do if he's going to not wait a couple of hours to protect his former students to send X-Force off on a wild goose chase. And it's not like he doesn't have a whole X-Men "army" to send to the future after Cable if X-force was busy elsewhere.

Hell, it wouldn't have been even that long. They have Vanisher, and they knew where they were being taken. Scott's got his priorities messed up, and I'm happy Logan called him on it. Its going to be interesting to see what happens when they get back.

[ClanAskani]

The whole army of the X-Men isn't going to kill Bishop on his say so. That's why X-Force is there. They are a wetworks squad, not a bunch of New X-Men babysitters.


Scott isn't just incharge of X-Force. He has the rest of the X-Men at his command.

While killing Bishop would be best left to X-Force, the concept of potentially having to kill him because he's gone nuts and is trying to kill Cable and the baby isn't going to offend a lot of the other X-Men. There's a pretty long list of X-Men who've killed before.

[darknessatnoon]

There's a pretty long list of X-Men who've killed before.

Rogue is currently unavailable.

[Trississ]

The whole army of the X-Men isn't going to kill Bishop on his say so. That's why X-Force is there. They are a wetworks squad, not a bunch of New X-Men babysitters.

And Cyclops trusts Cable not only out of instinct, but because Professor Xavier also vouched for the importance of Cable's mission to protect the baby.

Considering Cyclops's attitude toward Xavier right now, using Xavier's word to justify his actions is purely a rationalization on Cy's part. Perhaps I'm not as clear on the issues between Xavier and Scott as I could be, but don't they stem from the fact that Xavier's ends did not justify the means? Xavier was making choices that weren't his to make? Sound familiar?

[darknessatnoon]

Considering Cyclops's attitude toward Xavier right now, using Xavier's word to justify his actions is purely a rationalization on Cy's part. Perhaps I'm not as clear on the issues between Xavier and Scott as I could be, but don't they stem from the fact that Xavier's ends did not justify the means? Xavier was making choices that weren't his to make? Sound familiar?

They stem from the fact that Xavier mind-raped him, causing him to spend thirty years as a quivering blob of jelly with no spine.

[chickrockguitar]

Got my issue today!
AWESOME!!
WIth only #10 beating it, its IMO, the 2nd best issue of the series!

Oh man, if Julian dies, Laura's SO gonna gut Scott.

[Trississ]

They stem from the fact that Xavier mind-raped him, causing him to spend thirty years as a quivering blob of jelly with no spine.

Pfft... who hasn't Xavier mind raped?

[AcesX1X]

Considering Cyclops's attitude toward Xavier right now, using Xavier's word to justify his actions is purely a rationalization on Cy's part. Perhaps I'm not as clear on the issues between Xavier and Scott as I could be, but don't they stem from the fact that Xavier's ends did not justify the means? Xavier was making choices that weren't his to make? Sound familiar?

sort of. basically, cyclops is angry at xavier for taking advantage of him. you see, cyclops has severe abandonment issues, and latches on to dominant personalities very easily. he has huge self-esteem issues and when he found out xavier used him like a tool, well...he got very upset and turned the rest of the x-men against xavier.

so, cyclops does his own share of bad things, but it's not the same as xavier. because with xavier, it was personal, and with cyclops, it's not really personal at all. mostly because cyclops struggles with the concept of personality.

just kidding!

[darknessatnoon]

Pfft... who hasn't Xavier mind raped?

Fair question, but it's a matter of degree. Did any of the rest of them end up having to marry Jean because they were so brain damaged that they need her to lead them by the short hairs?

[greenshoes713]

So how do you think Scott is going to explain Boom Booms death to the other X-Men not that they'll care or anything. Her death is hilarious IMO...if someone had to be cannon fodder I'm glad it was her....someone needs to change her status on facebook to deceased.

Oooh! You cold!

and she has a FaceSpace thank you very much!

Boom Boom. That's just not right. :frown:

I'll let your Hellion hate slide, in your moment of grieving *hugz*

Scott's leadership qualities are not to be questioned! You all should bow and apologize to Cyclops now!!!

http://x3d.xanga.com/eaff5b7427234236937477/m187241348.jpg

UGH What a square!

why dont they kill off lame xmen like beast.....or rougue...why this hatred on the young muties

Uh Rogue!? Fool you tripping!

Boom Boom was worthless. I'm glad she's dead.

Oh Like you'd make a better X-Man?

Boom Boom's death is the fault of Seres.

Chris Yost saw your "Hellion must die" thread (and the other one about hitting him) and was angered that you wanted to kill one of his babies. He acted accordingly by killing someone in your sig.

He will kill Molly Hayes in Runaways #10.

Yes it's all Seres's fault.

They're probably going to drop her down a flight of stairs one day and abruptly end this Messiah nonsense.

LOL That's so wrong its funny!

[CMBMOOL]

Fair question, but it's a matter of degree. Did any of the rest of them end up having to marry Jean because they were so brain damaged that they need her to lead them by the short hairs?
Besides who else got controlled by the spirit of Apocalypse.

[FemGeek]

Oh man, if Julian dies, Laura's SO gonna gut Scott.

And she should. At the very least Scott deserves a massive slap for leaving Tabby to die. She could cut him instead of herself.

[tunasammiches]

I just re-read it. I can't believe they killed Boom Boom! It was so devastating.

[/nerdrant]

[Tazirai]

Love the book. But it saddens me that they keep killing mutants left and right. I swear at the end of the Day there will be like only X-men an Magneto left.. They will continue to battle for no reason... Marvel has done good with this book.

But their cosmic series is where it's at.:biggrin:

[DeadXMan]

I just re-read it. I can't believe they killed Boom Boom! It was so devastating.

[/nerdrant]

Then Join us in stopping Scott's dark regin. this is the last teammate we'll let him kill do to his incompetence.
Just put
"Her name was Tabitha Smith" in your sig.

[tunasammiches]

Then Join us in stopping Scott's dark regin. this is the last teammate we'll let him kill do to his incompetence.
Just put
"Her name was Tabitha Smith" in your sig.

Priceless. :)

[Optic Rage!]

Then Join us in stopping Scott's dark regin. this is the last teammate we'll let him kill do to his incompetence.
Just put
"Her name was Tabitha Smith" in your sig.

I think **DeadXMan is a fucking moron** would catch on a lot quicker.

[greenshoes713]

I think **DeadXMan is a fucking moron** would catch on a lot quicker.

LOL

Dude chill!

[DeadXMan]

I think **DeadXMan is a fucking moron** would catch on a lot quicker.

good thing I got that Trade marked.

BTW you owe me a nickel.

[psycwave]

Sooo Boom Boom had to fake her death in order to be a sleeper agent in the Messiah War where she return as the true savior of mankind and end the Leper Queen's miserable life once and for all????

Cause thats what I got out of this issue.

[Prodigy55]

Sooo Boom Boom had to fake her death in order to be a sleeper agent in the Messiah War where she return as the true savior of mankind and end the Leper Queen's miserable life once and for all????

Cause thats what I got out of this issue.

Chris Yost killed her because you hate Hellion and Surge.
Sorry, sad truth.

[Anna]

She died so the ever superior Jubilee can be restored to us. :biggrin:

[DeadXMan]

it would be balance with Armor being on Cykes side
and Jubilee being on Logan's when it goes down

[4sake]

She died so the ever superior Jubilee can be restored to us. :biggrin:

I really miss Jubilee, hopefully she will be back to the X-world soon.

[Vanish]

She died so the ever superior Jubilee can be restored to us. :biggrin:

Let's not get crazy here!

[fitditz]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but wouldn't the team be warped back to the exact same point in time? If so, that would mean that they'd return just in time for Wolverine or Domino to take out Skelator and save Boom Boom.

[Hakael]

i'm not at all surprised that craig kyle choose to save his personal pet jullian from being murdered. but how dare he choose a well established and loved character as boomer and kill her off in such a pathetic and demeaning way.the least he could have done was have her fight for her life,instead he has her waking up severely drugged and tied up barely even knowing wats going on. i demand blood! the blood of julian and surge must occur inorder to sanctify the loss of boom boom.

two wrongs do not make etc, etc.

[Kid Icarus]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but wouldn't the team be warped back to the exact same point in time? If so, that would mean that they'd return just in time for Wolverine or Domino to take out Skelator and save Boom Boom.

It only can move them through time, not space. So they will end up at the same time but not necessarily be anywhere near where they need to be.

[Vanish]

<3

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9206/youwish.jpg

Legacy Virus is the new Botox.

[darknessatnoon]

<3

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9206/youwish.jpg

Legacy Virus is the new Botox.

It's like Forrest Gump, when that girl gets a special strain of HIV that makes her more beautiful the closer she gets to death.

[lockerogue]

At least Boom Boom died looking fierce.

[Omega Alpha]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but wouldn't the team be warped back to the exact same point in time? If so, that would mean that they'd return just in time for Wolverine or Domino to take out Skelator and save Boom Boom.

In theory, yeah, but I don't think Kyle & Yost will kill The Leper Queen just yet, or take away part of the impact of the story by keeping Tabitha alive.

[Taskmaster]

After reading this issue I really hope that somebody kills Cyclops, i've hated him for a long time, but never really thought he was scum like I do now, his selfishness cost at least one if not more of his teamates their lives. If I were X-Force i'd tell Cyclops to go f'himself at this point because I couldn't follow someone whom would do what he did

[Affinity]

It's like Forrest Gump, when that girl gets a special strain of HIV that makes her more beautiful the closer she gets to death.
Lol. That made me grin.

[Tomas]

I think that that Marvel will revive Boom Boom, for the simple reason if Warren Ellis decides to do a second Nextwave mini.

[coconutphone]

For the poster(s) who said that Boom-Boom was a white trash version of Jubilee, get your time line (ha!) straight: Boomie was introduced well before Jubes.

[KrullWall]

Why couldnt Cyclops waited i dont kno.... 5 secounds to kill the leaper queen.

And who in the hell is going after hellion and surge while xforce is gone for 33.35 hours (or however long they are gone)

Plus is letting them leave to go help a baby from the future really more helpful than helping the mutants that are alive and dont have bullets in their head!

At least boom boom got to die looking like a morlock hooker

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Quick math lesson, folks:

Odds of the mutant race getting anywhere without Hope: just about 0%.

Odds if they do get the brat to do her thing: 50/50.

That's all it comes down to, really.

[SynthesisNY]

so much has happened in 13 issues. what was the most shocking event so far?

Last page events:
1. Matthew Rishman shooting Rhane
2. Magus on ocean floor
3. return of Cameron Hodge, Graydon Creed, Reverand Craig, Steven Lang, Boliver Trask, Leper Queen, Pierce
4. return of Archangel
5. Matthew Risman confronts Bastian
6. hitlist on screen
7. Vanisher with legay virus
8. Demon Bear
9. the Right
10. Eli Bard dug up the Apache gravesite
11. Zombie Calaban
12. Fever Pitch Explodes
13. Leper Queen kills Boom Boom

Additional shocking events:

Return of Bastian
Wolfsbane chews off Angel's wings
Wolfsbane eats her father
X-23 cutting herself
the Choir, an army of technorganic-winged purifiers
Eli Bard revealed as demonic
Archangel frequently thinking about killing his teammates
X-23 cutting off Vanisher's ear
Hrimhari meets up with Wolfsbane
Hrimhari can turn into a human form
Warpath's tribe as zombies, including Thunderbird
Blink (possibly) in the shadows next to Selene
Eli Bard's origin
Beautiful Dreamer killing 1000 humans
Bastian has other strains of the legacy virus
Capture of Hellion, Surge, and Boom Boom

Personally, I was most shocked with the killing of Boom-Boom, Bastian's brotherhood of resurrected mutant killers, and Wolfsbane eating her dad (which is also kinda funny if you don't know the context in which this happens. Without the context (brainwashing), one could imagine Rhane sitting at a dinner table with a knife and fork, slowly eating a 5 course meal of Reverand Craig body parts.)

Also that Hrimhari guy came out of nowhere. Something fishy going on with his sudden appearance.

[Victorious]

so much has happened in 13 issues. what was the most shocking event so far?

Last page events:
1. Matthew Rishman shooting Rhane
2. Magus on ocean floor
3. return of Cameron Hodge, Graydon Creed, Reverand Craig, Steven Lang, Boliver Trask, Leper Queen, Pierce
4. return of Archangel
5. Matthew Risman confronts Bastian
6. hitlist on screen
7. Vanisher with legay virus
8. Demon Bear
9. the Right
10. Eli Bard dug up the Apache gravesite
11. Zombie Calaban
12. Fever Pitch Explodes
13. Leper Queen kills Boom Boom

Additional shocking events:

Return of Bastian
Wolfsbane chews off Angel's wings
Wolfsbane eats her father
X-23 cutting herself
the Choir, an army of technorganic-winged purifiers
Eli Bard revealed as demonic
Archangel frequently thinking about killing his teammates
X-23 cutting off Vanisher's ear
Hrimhari meets up with Wolfsbane
Hrimhari can turn into a human form
Warpath's tribe as zombies, including Thunderbird
Blink (possibly) in the shadows next to Selene
Eli Bard's origin
Beautiful Dreamer killing 1000 humans
Bastian has other strains of the legacy virus
Capture of Hellion, Surge, and Boom Boom

Personally, I was most shocked with the killing of Boom-Boom, Bastian's brotherhood of resurrected mutant killers, and Wolfsbane eating her dad (which is also kinda funny if you don't know the context in which this happens. Without the context (brainwashing), one could imagine Rhane sitting at a dinner table with a knife and fork, slowly eating a 5 course meal of Reverand Craig body parts.)

Also that Hrimhari guy came out of nowhere. Something fishy going on with his sudden appearance.



more shocking: definetly Rahne eating her dad, poor Rahne.

also, his Hrimhari human form new? I don't really think it's her. maybe selene or someone on her side....

also, it was mention that Boom Boom has ties to Vanisher. I had no idea about that, which ties?

[podmark]

I'd probably go with Boom-Boom's death as most shocking. I just didn't see it coming right up til I turned the page.

Honourable mention goes to Rhane eating Warren's wings. That sequence was probably the single most frightening thing I've seen in a comic, and I'm pretty sure it surprised me. And it looked awesome, Crain really nailed that issue.

[SynthesisNY]

Oh I forgot:

Elixir putting a tumor in Vanisher's brain
Vanisher as a "hostage" member
X-23 enlists the Cuckoos as allies
Eli Bard "absorbing" the Magus
X-23's suicide attempt
Warpath learning shaman/mystical skills from Ghost Rider
Pierce's actions in Young X-Men likely influenced by Bastian

and how could I forget
Hepzibah yelling at the phone to speak

[tunasammiches]

At least Boom Boom died looking fierce.

She did look fierce. Unfair!!! I don't want her to be dead.

[PunisherFan]

Couldn't Cyclops have waited? I mean Cable is in the future, once they have a lock on him he isn't going anywhere...they all could have saved Boom Boom, Surge and Hellion, all thrown a party, had grandkids and then jumped to that exact point in time where Cable was. lol As for Boom Boom coming back after Messiah Arc I am going to have to go with "no". It would take away the shock of the moment and cheapen the issue if it were reversed in the future. And I don't think they wanted to kill off Leper Queen, which would have been the only alternative to saving Boom Boom. Anyway it was a great issue and I'm glad they didn't kill off Leper Queen... she is starting to become my favorite X-villain.

[Omega Alpha]

Cable could have jumped again at any moment, and they would lose his location. Remember that the time-travelling devices don't exactly have Doom's seal of approval, if you know what I mean.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Couldn't Cyclops have waited? I mean Cable is in the future, once they have a lock on him he isn't going anywhere...

It's been clearly stated in the issue that they can't *keep* a lock on him and that Cable will go wherever and whenever he pleases.

The whole point was that Cable could disappear at any time.

[MuhollandDriver]

sort of. basically, cyclops is angry at xavier for taking advantage of him. you see, cyclops has severe abandonment issues, and latches on to dominant personalities very easily. he has huge self-esteem issues and when he found out xavier used him like a tool, well...he got very upset and turned the rest of the x-men against xavier.

so, cyclops does his own share of bad things, but it's not the same as xavier. because with xavier, it was personal, and with cyclops, it's not really personal at all. mostly because cyclops struggles with the concept of personality.

just kidding!

i want to kiss this post! i agree with it wholeheartedly!

The only time i have wholly liked Cyclops as a character was in Joss Whedon's run.

As for Tabitha....i am not sure if she will be saved or not.....if she is....i really don't think it will take much away from the impact of that moment. It was quite a moment....nothing that happens later can take that away.

It is hands down a very shocking moment.

Rhane eating her father will always have a special place in the abyssal area of my heart.

[ClanAskani]

Cable could have jumped again at any moment, and they would lose his location. Remember that the time-travelling devices don't exactly have Doom's seal of approval, if you know what I mean.

Or Scott could have found Rachel and got her to locate Cable. She's always been able to find him, no matter where or when he is, and even when he's been able to telepathically hide himself from Jean and Charles.

The urgency is where I think Scott fails. X-Force should have at least tried to save Boomer.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Omega saving the day, eh?

Such compelling drama.

[Hakael]

Or Scott could have found Rachel and got her to locate Cable. She's always been able to find him, no matter where or when he is, and even when he's been able to telepathically hide himself from Jean and Charles.

The urgency is where I think Scott fails. X-Force should have at least tried to save Boomer.

She's busy in space... with Star Lord. and X-Force did try to save Boomer, Scott prevented them from doing so.

[Justin K.]

Oh I forgot:

Elixir putting a tumor in Vanisher's brain
Vanisher as a "hostage" member
X-23 enlists the Cuckoos as allies
Eli Bard "absorbing" the Magus
X-23's suicide attempt
Warpath learning shaman/mystical skills from Ghost Rider
Pierce's actions in Young X-Men likely influenced by Bastian

and how could I forget
Hepzibah yelling at the phone to speak

You forgot to mention Selene

[Winter Bolt]

Just saying I love Boom Boom, always have, and I give full support to her coming out of this alive. If not... I will miss Boom Boom and I think it was a shame to throw her in the freezer. Operation Thaw Boom Boom! Happy thoughts happy thoughts... clapping hands... clapping hands... Popeyes chicken... Popeyes Chicken... fluffy bunnies... fluffy bunnies... butterflies... butterflies...

[$5 Milkshake]

I didn't know Boom-Boom was such a sexy little minx.

[Anna]

I didn't know Boom-Boom was such a sexy little minx.

She wasn't until this week.

[Slung]

Boom Boom has been a character I've really grown up with (X-Factor was my first X-Book). This really makes me kind of sad.

Oh, and Crain is amazing.

[tunasammiches]

Yeah I'm not ready for Tabby to be dead. Is there still time to coerce editorial to save her after Messiah War??

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

very very sad to see Tabitha go out like that. she died without any personal touch, it could have been any other nameless mutant. bad form Kyle and Yost, and to think i am a fan

i hope this is misdirection and she pulls through.

[Mitsaso]

very very sad to see Tabitha go out like that. she died without any personal touch, it could have been any other nameless mutant. bad form Kyle and Yost, and to think i am a fan

i hope this is misdirection and she pulls through.

That's what I meant. If she had to go in the very issue she appeared in, then it could have at least been in a way that honors her character, not like a helpless crying hostage. Too generic for someone like Tabby! Could have been anyone, it would still mean the same things for X-Force and Cyclops.

And it just isn't nice to go around killing characters you basically borrow from other books. Let's assume I'm PAD and I wanna kill people in my X-Factor for shock value and to boost the drama. It makes more sense to kill someone from the large cast I already have rather than borrow characters who thrived in other books and off them instead. Would people like it if PAD brought Marrow back in the X-Cell arc just to kill her shockingly? Don;t think so.
And the weird thing with Kyle and Yost is that they had a multitude of young students to pick from their previous book (New X-Men) that would have actually been considered theirs to do as they please with.

[Thomas Uk]

Man X-force seems to be the most shocking read every week! The tension being built up near the end with the time slide imminent and the mission still un-finished was really gripping. Poor Boom-Boom!

Surely some of the other X-characters will eventually notice if people like Boom-Boom are missing. How will the news be broken to them without X-force's secrecy being compromised?

The biggest strength I think X-force has at the moment is being able to juggle several plotlines at once without any off them seeming like filler. Definately keeps me hooked and wanting to see how they all get resolved. Theres so much going on but with the regular character interaction and emotive storytelling its not rushed.

Looking forward to the crossover!

[Shyft]

That's what I meant. If she had to go in the very issue she appeared in, then it could have at least been in a way that honors her character, not like a helpless crying hostage. Too generic for someone like Tabby! Could have been anyone, it would still mean the same things for X-Force and Cyclops.

But no matter who they chose, someone would have been upset.


And it just isn't nice to go around killing characters you basically borrow from other books. Let's assume I'm PAD and I wanna kill people in my X-Factor for shock value and to boost the drama. It makes more sense to kill someone from the large cast I already have rather than borrow characters who thrived in other books and off them instead. Would people like it if PAD brought Marrow back in the X-Cell arc just to kill her shockingly? Don;t think so.
And the weird thing with Kyle and Yost is that they had a multitude of young students to pick from their previous book (New X-Men) that would have actually been considered theirs to do as they please with.

If you are referring to Nextwave, it plays so fast and loose with continuity and reality, it wouldnt be a massive stretch to bring Boom Boom back. Alternate Reality, Clone, Resurection, Synthoid, Time Travel. There are so many choices. And no-one would mind.

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

nah, im sure fewer fans were distraught over beautiful dreamer and fever pitch lol

the thing is... it's quite disrespectful to the readers and the characters when a character like Boom Boom is killed off in this manner in a book carrying the X-Force logo. Boom Boom was probably the only character to be a member of the team through the entire 120 or so issue history of the previous run. and now she got killed without barely putting up a resistance or getting to say a word, as a cipher.

[darknessatnoon]

nah, im sure fewer fans were distraught over beautiful dreamer and fever pitch lol

the thing is... it's quite disrespectful to the readers and the characters when a character like Boom Boom is killed off in this manner in a book carrying the X-Force logo. Boom Boom was probably the only character to be a member of the team through the entire 120 or so issue history of the previous run. and now she got killed without barely putting up a resistance or getting to say a word, as a cipher.

She drinks too much spiked coffee. Nuwala was a plant.

[timbox]

I wish the writers would stop disrespecting the readers and kill only boring characters that no one cares about. Seriously, Chris Yost, this abuse has to stop.

[Mitsaso]

I wish the writers would stop disrespecting the readers and kill only boring characters that no one cares about. Seriously, Chris Yost, this abuse has to stop.

It's not a matter of how popular a canon fodder character is.

I like Hellion more than Tabby, but if they have chosen to kill him off instead, it would have felt more appropriate, due to his ties with X-23 and Elixir and because he "belongs" to Kyle and Yost in a way.

But bringing in Tabby as a generic unconscious hostage and killing her like a dog, without even giving her the chance to say something dumb/in character? BIG no-no.

And Shyft, you're right about the Nextwave thing, a zombie Tabby would be hilar, for example, it's just sad to see her go like this after her recent one-shot that re-introduced her into the X-fold. Fooled me into thinking she was meant for something better.

[timbox]

But bringing in Tabby as a generic unconscious hostage and killing her like a dog, without even giving her the chance to say something dumb/in character? BIG no-no.

I don't agree that she was brought in as a generic hostage; I think she has several connections to this team. More connections than Hellion has. I would have liked some dialog and some action from both her and Surge. I wish we could have seen both of their abductions, but there wasn't enough time in one issue. Kyle and Yost chose to show Hellion's capture so they could once again emphasize what a moron he is.

[Shyft]

Its fair enough to want some dialogue out of her i guess. But she definately has enough connections to various members that it isnt completely random "lets kill an X".

[North-Star]

That's what I meant. If she had to go in the very issue she appeared in, then it could have at least been in a way that honors her character, not like a helpless crying hostage. Too generic for someone like Tabby! Could have been anyone, it would still mean the same things for X-Force and Cyclops.

And it just isn't nice to go around killing characters you basically borrow from other books. Let's assume I'm PAD and I wanna kill people in my X-Factor for shock value and to boost the drama. It makes more sense to kill someone from the large cast I already have rather than borrow characters who thrived in other books and off them instead. Would people like it if PAD brought Marrow back in the X-Cell arc just to kill her shockingly? Don;t think so.
And the weird thing with Kyle and Yost is that they had a multitude of young students to pick from their previous book (New X-Men) that would have actually been considered theirs to do as they please with.


I think it was very clear, why these three got abducted by the Leper Queen. Who do you think will give a bigger explosion filled up with Legacy Virus. Electricity wielding, energy speeding Surge or power sucking Leech? (Come to think of it, if you up Leech's power, wouldn't he depower a sjitload of mutants.....).

And on the matter of Boom-Boom dying, without it being with a personal touch to the character (great one liner etc)... I enjoyed that. It ups the stakes, any character can go. No one is safe. I'm actually scared for Hellion and Surge now..

On the downside though, the Messiah War crossover will probably only take up for about 30 seconds in mainstream 616, so there is a possibility to rush Tabitha to a hospital and she'll survive....

I hope she stays dead, and maybe Surge can explode like a MF too...

[Mitsaso]

I think it was very clear, why these three got abducted by the Leper Queen. Who do you think will give a bigger explosion filled up with Legacy Virus. Electricity wielding, energy speeding Surge or power sucking Leech? (Come to think of it, if you up Leech's power, wouldn't he depower a sjitload of mutants.....).

And on the matter of Boom-Boom dying, without it being with a personal touch to the character (great one liner etc)... I enjoyed that. It ups the stakes, any character can go. No one is safe. I'm actually scared for Hellion and Surge now..


Yeah but the Leper Queen didn't even use Tabby's explosive powers, she just wanted her as a damsel in distress so that she would get X-Force to kill her!

Little did she know! If she had kept Hellion instead, X-23 would slice her ass the moment they entered that room...!

Stupid Leper Queen. :biggrin:

[darknessatnoon]

Stupid Leper Queen. :biggrin:

She is the greatest villainness since Sharon Ginsberg.

[Sean Walsh]

And somehow..........Boom Boom's death marked the end of X-FORCE for me.

It's a great story, but........they killed Boom Boom. :eek:

I really don't know why it affected me so negatively like this, but....I just can't read it anymore...



...help? :confused:

[Aubergine~!]

I, for one, won't miss Boom Boom (despite her being eerily hot in this issue).

This would be my only problem with the issue. Boom Boom's death is pretty pointless, and closes the door on a NextWAVE reunion.

Just kill off a generic innocent exploding mutant. Same effect.

[timbox]

Just kill off a generic innocent exploding mutant. Same effect.

Obviously not, as made perfectly clear by several posts, including your own.

[Shyft]

This would be my only problem with the issue. Boom Boom's death is pretty pointless, and closes the door on a NextWAVE reunion.

Just kill off a generic innocent exploding mutant. Same effect.

If you've had any experience of NextWAVE you should know it would hardly make them miss a step to resurrect Boom Boom in some way.

[.LuckyStar.]

I really loved this issue! I hope they can come back in time to save Tabitha. Also, they should kill an A-Lister next. That'd be surprising and The Beast is the best option as he is the most beloved member.

[timbox]

I really loved this issue! I hope they can come back in time to save Tabitha. Also, they should kill an A-Lister next. That'd be surprising and The Beast is the best option as he is the most beloved member.

Several members of the O5 are available.

[AcesX1X]

It's a great story, but........they killed Boom Boom. :eek:

I really don't know why it affected me so negatively like this, but....
...help? :confused:

don't feel bad. i called my doctor and asked him to up my dosage as soon as i recovered from reading the issue.

[Charybdis4]

Sad to see Boom Boom killed, but the fact that she was murdered in such a casual & clinical way, not only highlighted the Leper Queen's despair but further upped the tension quota in this book.

It was a (sad) but brilliant move.

Shame it wasn't Jubilee, but this was an A+ book.

I am now an official worshipper of Vanisher.

[Novaya Havoc]

I really loved this issue! I hope they can come back in time to save Tabitha. Also, they should kill an A-Lister next. That'd be surprising and The Beast is the best option as he is the most beloved member.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[XSE Drake]

Any thoughts on what the eff is going on with Wolfsbane? Her two pages seemed sort of out of place in this issue... is there something we're missing?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Any thoughts on what the eff is going on with Wolfsbane? Her two pages seemed sort of out of place in this issue... is there something we're missing?

Nope. Her subplot merely flat out sucks. Like, hardcore.

[Prodigy55]

I think this wolf prince guy is trouble.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Speaking of furry nonsense...

Hank *knows* Bishop killed millions (or was it billions) in different timelines, right? And he's still whining about Cyke wanting to off him...?

Talk about out of sight, out of mind, lol.

And I like Hank. Still... damn.

[Majinoaw]

Heel Persona:
I'm a Hank mark, when Hank is done properly. Lately he has been far too whiney. Bring back Ape Hank, that version was a character I could dig. At least then he had trish Tilby...

[Victorious]

I am now an official worshipper of Vanisher.


Welcome to the club! He is amazing in thiS book. Hilarious lines and wonderful powers. Plus his condition makes him an interesting character, wonder if he eventually will became more attached to someone on the team. I'm thinking about Elixir since he is the only one who seems to treat the guy in a good way and they seem to be together in battle often as a teleportation/healing combo. Love to see this happen. Maybe he will found himself in a situation were he must show that he care for the kid deep down, that would be great. Can image Dom not giving him peace about his "heroic" side. Or maybe he try to get close to Josh just to have his tumor removed...

[Pixie_Solanas]

Hot:

Leper Queen's fab boots


Not:

Boom Boom's gnarly feet in the last panel. Ergh.


Hot:

Scott furiously masturbating at his mahogany desk

Not:

Hank-tech with a side-effect of DEATH

[SayOcean]

Tabitha wouldnt have died if she was still Meltdown, and not regressed to Boom boom

[timbox]

Not:

Boom Boom's gnarly feet in the last panel. Ergh.


I like her feet. Do you happen to have a scan of this page?

[Pixie_Solanas]

I like her feet. Do you happen to have a scan of this page?

Give me about 10 minutes and I can whip it up. I just so happened to bring my copy into work today.

[Seres]

Give me about 10 minutes and I can whip it up. I just so happened to bring my copy into work today.

No. timbox has to meet requirements before this travesty could possibly be allowed to happen.

[AcesX1X]

do Not Post This Image.

[timbox]

I want to see the Leper Queen's hot boot in all their glory.

[psycwave]

Tabitha Smith is not dead. She is merely faking it so she go unnoticed on a magnificent shopping spree.

[Pixie_Solanas]

do Not Post This Image.

Why? It's got some great LQ ass shot action too...

[AcesX1X]

Tabitha Smith is not dead. She is merely faking it so she go unnoticed on a magnificent shopping spree.

i wish this were the case so much.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I've got the image. Do I post or not?

[Seres]

I've got the image. Do I post or not?

Do not do it. PM it to timbox if you have to, but do not make it public.

[psycwave]

I've got the image. Do I post or not?

Pm it to me as well.

I just realized is Hepzibah really not going to join X-force anytime soon? I wonder if this is a good thing or not?

[Vivica Kang]

Why does it seem like cyclops is being more stupid.....since he so worried about cable! He should have went instead of X-force! But im looking forward to the upcoming Story Arc Messiah War! And finally cyclops will have to tell the team! Along with Emma's Cabal...

[Wind Rider]

Aaaaaaaaahhh, the sanctuary of X-Force........ so peaceful, so soothing, so satisfying..... it washes away the dredge and pain of having read a certain other X-title.

I always save the best for last.

[timbox]

I've got the image. Do I post or not?

What the hell are you waiting for? The memory of Leper Queen's fashion is fleeting.

[Vivica Kang]

What the hell are you waiting for? The memory of Leper Queen's fashion is fleeting.

LOL! I WANT TO SEE Leper Queen!

[Pixie_Solanas]

whoa its a comin

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1408/x3e940b3136.th.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x3e940b3136.jpg)

[Seres]

This thead is reported. You are all banned.

[timbox]

I wish some blood had splashed onto her arm.

[timbox]

This thead is reported. You are all banned.

Did you see those boots?

[Pixie_Solanas]

Did you see those boots?

Hot, even for a charred crispy kfc skinhead.

Tab's big toe freaks me out, tho.

[Vivica Kang]

She's creepy! With a capital C!!!:eek: And isnt she going to be coming back after the messiah war storyline??

[RoguishGurl]

Any thoughts on what the eff is going on with Wolfsbane? Her two pages seemed sort of out of place in this issue... is there something we're missing?
I think there is more to that story than meets the eye. I don't think Kyle/Yost would have included it in the issue if there wasn't a reason for it.

[tunasammiches]

Pm it to me as well.

I just realized is Hepzibah really not going to join X-force anytime soon? I wonder if this is a good thing or not?

that's prolly a good thing. i think i want other characters to stay out of xforce because once they step foot in that book, they're on the chopping block. plus, hepzibah should just go back to the starjammer. looks like chod's gonna need some company after all.

1. i'd love to see cable's reaction to tabby's death. i hope he has one.
2. can't wait to have dom, warpath, and cable reunited
3. i hope its not possible that cyclops is this huge of a dick, and is possessed by cassandra nova instead. (although that would be less dynamic him actually just being a huge dick.)

[AcesX1X]

close Thread.

[Anna]

whoa its a comin

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1408/x3e940b3136.th.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x3e940b3136.jpg)

Whoo! Look at that!

[-danny-]

Whoo! Look at that!

Why is Tabby barefoot? What was she doing when they kidnapped her?
Or did the Leper Queen steal her boots? Same shoe-size?

[jarrod]

Whoo! Look at that!
**vomits**

[Imraith Nimphais]

Oh Goddess!...how I LOVE this book!
I have to say...I am very interested to see where "the Divine Ones" are taking the Rahne and Hrimhari plot...I do hope it is resolved here in X-Force... Truth to tell, I so want this whole Messiah Baby/War to be over and done with (quickly) so we can get back to this simmering, sultry subplot...along with Selene's devious, diabolical machinations...both masterfully painted by Crain, no less.

[navi410]

Does anyone really think boom boom is dead? This is a time travel arc and I've been reading comics far too long to know that they are gonna retcon this at the end of Messiah war. Look at the first arc of young avengers or Age of Apocalypse or that JLA arc which I can't remember. Time travel deaths has been easily reverse since back to the future. I wouldn't worry about boom boom.

[Mitsaso]

Tabitha Smith is not dead. She is merely faking it so she go unnoticed on a magnificent shopping spree.

She is now shopping in the Big Mall In The Sky... :frown:

[Imraith Nimphais]

Yes...I do think she is actually dead...as to have the X-Force team "time travel" back and save her would set in motion quite a dangerous precedent...as there would (could) now be multitudinous and vociferous clamourings for them to do the same for every other "favourite" mutant deemed "worthy" who has died. Time travel should never be used as a "cure-all" as the very impracticality of such a move would then beg the question...If it can be done for "such and such" why not go back and undo "such and such"? (The x-students on the bus? Jean Grey? M-Day, perhaps?)

[tunasammiches]

Yes...I do think she is actually dead...as to have the X-Force team "time travel" back and save her would set in motion quite a dangerous precedent...as there would (could) now be multitudinous and vociferous clamourings for them to do the same for every other "favourite" mutant deemed "worthy" who has died. Time travel should never be used as a "cure-all" as the very impracticality of such a move would then beg the question...If it can be done for "such and such" why not go back and undo "such and such"? (The x-students on the bus? Jean Grey? M-Day, perhaps?)

Normally, I would agree with you 100%... but this is Boom Boom we're talking about. Not Boom Boom...

[Omega Alpha]

One thing about this Rahne subplot is that Asgard now it's not in Oklahoma anymore, so she would in theory either have to go with him to Latveria or leave him.

Anyway, this subplot doesn't sound right. Something is going on there.

[Trississ]

One thing about this Rahne subplot is that Asgard now it's not in Oklahoma anymore, so she would in theory either have to go with him to Latveria or leave him.

Anyway, this subplot doesn't sound right. Something is going on there.

The Wolf Prince is a delusion. Rahne's has PTSD from her recent trauma and is suffering from a psychotic break. No surprise really, all things considered.

[Omega Alpha]

The Wolf Prince is a delusion. Rahne's has PTSD from her recent trauma and is suffering from a psychotic break. No surprise really, all things considered.

But then how would she know about Ragnarok and what happened in Thor?

He seems real enough, but there's certainly a catch.

[AcesX1X]

Anyway, this subplot doesn't sound right. Something is going on there.

OMG aren't all those dead mutants back?

it's CHANGELING/MORPH and he is going to try and murder wolfsbane and she will switch into lunatic-mode and eat him.

[HepOne]

I guess it's already been said, but that death is part of what is wrong with X-Men comics. It ruined the issue for me

[tunasammiches]

so much has happened in 13 issues. what was the most shocking event so far?

Last page events:
1. Matthew Rishman shooting Rhane
2. Magus on ocean floor
3. return of Cameron Hodge, Graydon Creed, Reverand Craig, Steven Lang, Boliver Trask, Leper Queen, Pierce
4. return of Archangel
5. Matthew Risman confronts Bastian
6. hitlist on screen
7. Vanisher with legay virus
8. Demon Bear
9. the Right
10. Eli Bard dug up the Apache gravesite
11. Zombie Calaban
12. Fever Pitch Explodes
13. Leper Queen kills Boom Boom

Additional shocking events:

Return of Bastian
Wolfsbane chews off Angel's wings
Wolfsbane eats her father
X-23 cutting herself
the Choir, an army of technorganic-winged purifiers
Eli Bard revealed as demonic
Archangel frequently thinking about killing his teammates
X-23 cutting off Vanisher's ear
Hrimhari meets up with Wolfsbane
Hrimhari can turn into a human form
Warpath's tribe as zombies, including Thunderbird
Blink (possibly) in the shadows next to Selene
Eli Bard's origin
Beautiful Dreamer killing 1000 humans
Bastian has other strains of the legacy virus
Capture of Hellion, Surge, and Boom Boom

Personally, I was most shocked with the killing of Boom-Boom, Bastian's brotherhood of resurrected mutant killers, and Wolfsbane eating her dad (which is also kinda funny if you don't know the context in which this happens. Without the context (brainwashing), one could imagine Rhane sitting at a dinner table with a knife and fork, slowly eating a 5 course meal of Reverand Craig body parts.)

Also that Hrimhari guy came out of nowhere. Something fishy going on with his sudden appearance.

Most shocking moments in XForce:

1. That C&C keep delivering us a healthy dose of Furry porn every month, with the Rahne/Himhari subplot. Put some clothes on those Furries! Sheesh, not all of us are as progressive as you guys.

2. The dialog: Wolverine orders Domino to blow up a wall:
Wolverine: "Great, Dom...open it up."
Domino: "Logan, you say the most romantic things to me."

3. That the Vanisher is awesome sauce.

ps- Did anyone else see Danger standing guard above Pierce's cell in issue 12? ( I dunno what page it is, since Marvel doesn't believe in page numbers, but it's when Dust is talking to him)

[FemGeek]

But then how would she know about Ragnarok and what happened in Thor?

He seems real enough, but there's certainly a catch.

I think he's for reals as well. Rahne could smell if it was someone else (eg she knows what mystique smells like). And yeah, I also agree about the catch, theres always a catch. I hope its not a horrible catch though, shes had enough horrible for a while. X Force keeps suprising me though, so I'm not sure what to expect.

[Charybdis4]

Why is Tabby barefoot? What was she doing when they kidnapped her?
Or did the Leper Queen steal her boots? Same shoe-size?

I like this idea.

I can picture it now......

The Sapien League all go to bed & The Leper Queen sneaks down stairs & slips on a pretty floral dress, Boom Boom's boots & a lovely blonde wig (in a similar style to Lois London.) She add a little touch of lipstick & then sings "I feel pretty, oh so pretty" in front of a full length mirror.

let it be so.

[Majinoaw]

Heel persona:
Marks rejoice for this is truly a book to be markish about.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Heel persona:
Marks rejoice for this is truly a book to be markish about.

Out of the blue, but whatever.

I'm one of the... what, three(?) posters thinking the mark thingy is actually funny. :biggrin:

[$5 Milkshake]

Out of the blue, but whatever.

I'm one of the... what, three posters thinking the mark thingy is actually funny. :biggrin:

Dont encourage it.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Dont encourage it.

So you basically want me to pull an old school Cyclops, eh? :biggrin:

[$5 Milkshake]

So you basically want me to pull an old school Cyclops, eh? :biggrin:

Emulating new school Cyclops seems more appropriate here. Got a wetworks team handy?

[tent]

Rahne and that Wolf boy is just lame and doesnt have a place in this book.
Get her on missions or get her out please.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Emulating new school Cyclops seems more appropriate here. Got a wetworks team handy?

I meant 'old school Cyclops' as in 'playing peacekeeper with folks deserving worse than a slap on the wrist'. Which kinda used to be his thing, really. Well, more a verse-wide motif, but whatever.

I don't think the CBR collective currently deserves any better than whatever's Majinoaw's dishing out (which isn't much, let's be honest). Ain't gonna do a damn thing to stop him/her.

Rahne and that Wolf boy is just lame and doesnt have a place in this book.
Get her on missions or get her out please.

Welcome to the club.

[$5 Milkshake]

Rahne and that Wolf boy is just lame and doesnt have a place in this book.
Get her on missions or get her out please.

Why is they lame?

I like the subplot of Rahne trying to get her shit together. Its character building for one of the book's cast. It cant ALL be dad eating.

[darknessatnoon]

Why is they lame?

I like the subplot of Rahne trying to get her shit together. Its character building for one of the book's cast. It cant ALL be dad eating.

I laugh (in a good way) every time that subplot burbles up.

[FemGeek]

Why is they lame?

I like the subplot of Rahne trying to get her shit together. Its character building for one of the book's cast. It cant ALL be dad eating.

It's a good story, but it seems like theyre dragging it out coz they dont know what to do with Rahne. So far shes been plot-device, nightmares, sub-plot, and soon to be absent. I'd like her stuff to pick up, and if shes gonna be a member of X Force then she should be a member of X Force.

[$5 Milkshake]

It's a good story, but it seems like theyre dragging it out coz they dont know what to do with Rahne. So far shes been plot-device, nightmares, sub-plot, and soon to be absent. I'd like her stuff to pick up, and if shes gonna be a member of X Force then she should be a member of X Force.

I can see your point, as a Wolfsbane fan, I'm not too keen on her in X-Force. However, I like what's happening with her in the book now. It feels "Dragged out" because it's a background ongoing subplot, taking the backseat to the main overall story. I actually really like how they're structuring the book. The big, main plot maintaining the biggest spotlight with some quick glances at other stuff happening at the same time (Rahne, the people looking for X-23, etc.).

[Imraith Nimphais]

It's a good story, but it seems like theyre dragging it out coz they dont know what to do with Rahne. So far shes been plot-device, nightmares, sub-plot, and soon to be absent. I'd like her stuff to pick up, and if shes gonna be a member of X Force then she should be a member of X Force.

Kyle and Yost know exactly wot they are doing/going to do with Rahne...they are Gods and as such, they are omniscient.:biggrin:

[FemGeek]

Kyle and Yost know exactly wot they are doing/going to do with Rahne...they are Gods and as such, they are omniscient.:biggrin:

They do write her character well, but I'd like to see more Rahne. With M War going on, it looks like she'll be outta the picture totally, rather than being merely sidelined. If one of em shows up, i'm gonna ask. Or if one of em is lurking mayhaps they would care to pitch in withut spoiler-ising hint ahem. Anyway, however it turns out, I'd like to see some Wolfsbane action, rather than some more Wolfsbane crying.

[SayOcean]

i also like the rahne subplot and its pacing.... not all of x force needs to be killing people and rhane ate her dad..it would out of character for her...or anyone come to think about it....to just pick up and start killing again

but I'm not to sure i buy that's the real wolf prince, could he turn into a human back in his first appearances? i also wish the kid wasn't white....back in the original NM there's was a story about rhane dreaming she was a princess and her prince had bobby's features but had a white complexion

maybe hinting that rahne couldn't see herself falling in love with a person of color

[Imraith Nimphais]

They do write her character well, but I'd like to see more Rahne. With M War going on, it looks like she'll be outta the picture totally, rather than being merely sidelined. If one of em shows up, i'm gonna ask. Or if one of em is lurking mayhaps they would care to pitch in withut spoiler-ising hint ahem. Anyway, however it turns out, I'd like to see some Wolfsbane action, rather than some more Wolfsbane crying.

I would love this also...(MW, hurry up and be done with!)

[FemGeek]

i also like the rahne subplot and its pacing.... not all of x force needs to be killing people and rhane ate her dad..it would out of character for her...or anyone come to think about it....to just pick up and start killing again

but I'm not to sure i buy that's the real wolf prince, could he turn into a human back in his first appearances? i also wish the kid wasn't white....back in the original NM there's was a story about rhane dreaming she was a princess and her prince had bobby's features but had a white complexion

maybe hinting that rahne couldn't see herself falling in love with a person of color

Youre right, he couldnt become human, but it implys that since he is in this realm (midgard) he can now change into a mortal shape. Does this mean he is mortal? Is everyone from Asgard etc. mortal now? I dunno wat the deal is with that, I dont read Thor. I think Hrimahri is white because everyone else in Asgard etc. was white too, I remember wenches thinking bobbys skin colour was exotic and sexy.

[Til]

^ Not sure about the major Asgardians, but the rank and file ones are mortal now.

[FemGeek]

^ Not sure about the major Asgardians, but the rank and file ones are mortal now.

Ah, thats helpful to know. Thanks :smile:

[DeadXMan]

when dose that x-force: one shot of Logan and Dom coming out

[tent]

What does mortal mean? How can a man turn into a wolf a werewolf and regular human being? Not mortal at all if you ask me?

^ Not sure about the major Asgardians, but the rank and file ones are mortal now.

[tent]

Why is Wolverine taking Cable's sloppy seconds? (Domino)

[rwsmith]

Why not? At least, that's probably how Logan looks at it. Cable's moved on anyway. He even got married for awhile in the future.

Hopefully if/when Cable returns to the present they don't hook him back up with Domino. I never really saw them as a serious couple anyway. More like friends with benefits, like she is with Wolverine now.

[tent]

Poor Domino the Lil Kim of comics.

Why not? At least, that's probably how Logan looks at it. Cable's moved on anyway. He even got married for awhile in the future.

Hopefully if/when Cable returns to the present they don't hook him back up with Domino. I never really saw them as a serious couple anyway. More like friends with benefits, like she is with Wolverine now.

[Til]

What does mortal mean? How can a man turn into a wolf a werewolf and regular human being? Not mortal at all if you ask me?

Mortal means that you die. Immortal means that you live forever. The Asgardians used to be immortal, but since the Ragnarok cycle has been permanently ended, they are now mortal, as shown in Thor's book.

[RunningWithJuanPablo]

Wow! I just read this and it was intense. Grim ending, loved it. I've got to go back and get all of the books from the beginning.

[DeadXMan]

that's what she been wearing since nextwave.

It needed the trench coat

[Mr. Cakes]

she looked like a hooker! her outfit looked like they captured her right out of a whore house.

This is Boom Boom we're talking about.

[RickyD410]

This is Boom Boom we're talking about.

Yeah. And it looked pretty similar to the last outfit we saw on her.

http://www.readaboutcomics.com/images/2008/091008_xmenmanifestdestiny03.jpg

[Anna]

Yeah. And it looked pretty similar to the last outfit we saw on her.

http://www.readaboutcomics.com/images/2008/091008_xmenmanifestdestiny03.jpg

Is Fredrick's still in business?

[IseeFrost]

^ I don't think so.

I'm waiting for Monet, Monet, Monet,..MONET (as sang like "money")

[tent]

Thank you for explaining that. I seriously did not know what it meant and was too lazy to look it up. So their powers are still there but they can be killed ...interesting.

I still dont think it has any place in the X force book though.

Mortal means that you die. Immortal means that you live forever. The Asgardians used to be immortal, but since the Ragnarok cycle has been permanently ended, they are now mortal, as shown in Thor's book.

[CMBMOOL]

Poor Domino the Lil Kim of comics.

That was funny. :tongue:

[Vanish]

^ I don't think so.

I'm waiting for Monet, Monet, Monet,..MONET (as sang like "money")

FOR WHAT?

TO SAVE THE DAY?

[Slung]

FOR WHAT?

TO SAVE THE DAY?

She would be hard for Yost and Kyle to kill off considering that she is invulnerable and has other heightened abilities and immunities.

[mattbib]

Just read this issue..

Tab better not be dead fo' real. She was in the second comic I ever read (SWII#5). :(

[DeadXMan]

She would be hard for Yost and Kyle to kill off considering that she is invulnerable and has other heightened abilities and immunities.


antamtium bullets works wonders

[Slung]

antamtium bullets works wonders

In-vul-ner-a-ble.

The chick is immovable like the blob and unstoppable like the Juggernaut.

[Raptor]

antamtium bullets works wonders

Making the hardest metal in the world does not allow it to hurt things it normally could not. Adamantium is simply the hardest metal. It will not break. It will not bend. It does not...erm, should not simply have more concussive power or force. It shouldn't cut through more things. It simply doesn't make sense that it would be sharper or a better bullet.

Perhaps I am wrong and Marvel decided adamantium does everything. Comic books don't have to make sense. I just don't see it making a difference.

Just read this issue..

Tab better not be dead fo' real. She was in the second comic I ever read (SWII#5). :(


I agree, I was astounded. I hope she isn't but I'm a pessmist so....

In-vul-ner-a-ble.

The chick is immovable like the blob and unstoppable like the Juggernaut.

Far as I know she's been moved and it wasn't too hard. I'm certain she isn't as strong as Juggernaut. It can't take quite that much to put her down for good. Adamantium bullets or whatever wouldn't do it. Making her powers kill her from the inside out? Yeah that'd do it.

Prying her from PAD's comic would be the hard part. Not happening.

[Majinoaw]

Heel Persona:
I'm still marking out over this issue nearly a week later. Also keep Meltdown dead. It makes for a stronger story overall.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

I'm pretty sure Tabitha has bite the dust and I hope Wolverine and Domino stay together

P.S. I know no one really cares, but I have to admit the only time I find Wolverine cool is in X-Force, but I can't stand him in anything else.

[psycwave]

P.S. I know no one really cares, but I have to admit the only time I find Wolverine cool is in X-Force, but I can't stand him in anything else.

I agree completely.

[Majinoaw]

P.S. I know no one really cares, but I have to admit the only time I find Wolverine cool is in X-Force, but I can't stand him in anything else.

Heel Persona:
He's actually given strong characterization in this book and it actually makes sense to have him to be a member of this team. In my mind from a story telling standpoint he really doesn't "add" anything to New Avengers. His solo series is so inconsistent and all over the place... it makes no sense. Just look at how Wolverine's solo title has been handled in the past few years. For every Old Man Logan, we have Evolution... the book seems like it hasn't had any real direction since Hama left. (It has had great stories every now and then tho). But the marks will continue to purchase it and send the message to Marvel through high numbers, that Wolverine is needed as an integral character in at least 30 percent of their titles, and as a guest-star in the other 50 percent.
So I agree with you and I do care Perfection Emma...

[Anna]

If Tabitha must come back, put her in Selene's technozombie army.

[Pixie_Solanas]

She would be hard for Yost and Kyle to kill off considering that she is invulnerable and has other heightened abilities and immunities.

Create some goofy-ass b.s. about a "magical" sword that negates the invulnerability and cut off her head.

Marvel, the thinking man's comic company. :rolleyes:


P.S. I know no one really cares, but I have to admit the only time I find Wolverine cool is in X-Force, but I can't stand him in anything else.

That's because of the top-notch writing.

[Falconen]

I don't think Hellion has anything to worry about. Selene is very protective of her toys, and only she is allowed to abuse them, in her mind.
Poor Surge on the other hand, her situation doesn't look as good.

[ikeepitblazin]

I don't think Hellion has anything to worry about. Selene is very protective of her toys, and only she is allowed to abuse them, in her mind.
Poor Surge on the other hand, her situation doesn't look as good.

Technically, Dani is still a Valkyrie. Since Surge is pretty close to Dani, I wouldn't be surprised if the writers could somehow incorporate Dani's Valkyrie status as a means to revive Surge back to life.

[Falconen]

For some reason, I was confusing Hellion with Wither and his connection to Selene. Sorry for that. Hellion was Emma's boy toy. Wither was Selene's.

[Tomas]

Interesting moment from Second Genesis. Maybe a future glimpse of Scott's darker side or Boom Boom's fate?

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/TomasSchwarz/scott.png

[SayOcean]

Interesting moment from Second Genesis. Maybe a future glimpse of Scott's darker side or Boom Boom's fate?

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/TomasSchwarz/scott.pngthis happened like 60 years ago...i bet all the writers had forgotten about his and please stop with the new xmen and NM connections....dani dont give a sh!t about surge....have you read her earlier appearances in NM

[Deus ex Chris]

Interesting moment from Second Genesis. Maybe a future glimpse of Scott's darker side or Boom Boom's fate?

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/TomasSchwarz/scott.png

Of course Cyclops and Havok would be getting all emo and whiny, while Storm and Polaris are doing the heavy lifting.

[streator]

i read issues 11-12 earlier tonight, decent stuff.

bastion's more in control than i was thinking.

was fever pitch ever an acolyte, though? warren referred to him as one right before he exploded, and i don't think he was ever anything besides a member of gene nation.

also, at the end of issue 11, we see eli bard with warpath's reanimated tribe. i can't remember seeing it mentioned before, but proudstar is right there next to him (same belt, headband). should be an interesting fight for jimmy whenever it occurs.

/looking forward to issue 13

[Anna]

i read issues 11-12 earlier tonight, decent stuff.

bastion's more in control than i was thinking.

was fever pitch ever an acolyte, though? warren referred to him as one right before he exploded, and i don't think he was ever anything besides a member of gene nation.

also, at the end of issue 11, we see eli bard with warpath's reanimated tribe. i can't remember seeing it mentioned before, but proudstar is right there next to him (same belt, headband). should be an interesting fight for jimmy whenever it occurs.

/looking forward to issue 13

He was in Gene Nation and in Banshee's X-Corps. Wiki lists him as a member of the Brotherhood, when they infiltrated X-Corps.

[Kid Icarus]

this happened like 60 years ago...i bet all the writers had forgotten about his and please stop with the new xmen and NM connections....dani dont give a sh!t about surge....have you read her earlier appearances in NM

DUUUDE
did you read Divided they Stand
Dani and Surge totally had a moment

[Brent1974]

Well, just got the issue, Cyclops is definately a grade A loser. He needs to be put down imo. Hopefully there will be some ramifications to him hitting the switch and causing Boom-Boom's death essentially.

On the other end another fantastic issue and a over all great ending save for Cyclops being in it.

Cant wait for the next issues and Messiah War :D

(Posters Note: Just my opinion on Cyclops, never have liked him, others do and that is completely fine heh.)

[chickrockguitar]

So... Where's the "Messiah War" one shot previews/spoiler thread?
I won't get my issue until Fri/Sat, and I need spoilers! :tongue:

[The Thunderbird]

Interesting moment from Second Genesis. Maybe a future glimpse of Scott's darker side or Boom Boom's fate?

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/TomasSchwarz/scott.png

What if the woman that was in danger was Emma or Jean without the Phoenix?

[Karthak]

Hrmm, a thought just occurred to me. X-23 really likes Hellion. So if he gets killed because they were zapped into the future will Laura try to gut Cyclops?

[Anna]

Hrmm, a thought just occurred to me. X-23 really likes Hellion. So if he gets killed because they were zapped into the future will Laura try to gut Cyclops?

She'll try, but Scott will have the Cuckoos mindwipe her before she can reach him.

[Omega Alpha]

Hrmm, a thought just occurred to me. X-23 really likes Hellion. So if he gets killed because they were zapped into the future will Laura try to gut Cyclops?

No, she would understand that their mission take priority. She's more likely to cut herself more than anything.

[Trississ]

No, she would understand that their mission take priority. She's more likely to cut herself more than anything.

Neither will be necessary. She obviously has a plan to save Hellion, Surge and Boom Boom while still completing the Cable/Hope mission. She's really that good. Just wait, you'll see.

[Karthak]

No, she would understand that their mission take priority. She's more likely to cut herself more than anything.

I wonder. She seems to have a tendency to explode when pushed too far.

[Push You Down]

What if the woman that was in danger was Emma or Jean without the Phoenix?



Cyke would do the same thing. Greatest good. Greatest number. Doesn't make him a monster.

[Anna]

Cyke would do the same thing. Greatest good. Greatest number. Doesn't make him a monster.

Like when the he and the X-Men watched Fitzroy kill all of the Hellions in order to save Emma's body; which he would have let rot if Jean's psyche hadn't been trapped inside?

[AcesX1X]

Like when the he and the X-Men watched Fitzroy kill all of the Hellions in order to save Emma's body; which he would have let rot if Jean's psyche hadn't been trapped inside?

priestess of lord magneto, cyclops wasn't present during this incident of which you speak.

[SayOcean]

DUUUDE
did you read Divided they Stand
Dani and Surge totally had a momentYeah but Dani knows whats up and wouldnt assoicate herself with lil kids when she had her real friends around...hell her and Magik were willing to kill phat karma.....so it would be no problem for her to drop surge like a hot wonton