X-Force #13 - Review and Spoilers

[The Cool Thatguy]

what? that sounds ludicrous. are these magic bullets?

'Cause when you're attacking a school full of superhumans, ya want to cheap out on the ammo!

[AcesX1X]

'Cause when you're attacking a school full of superhumans, ya want to cheap out on the ammo!

listen, you, whoever heard of power-stealing bullets anyway? i'm only entertaining their existence for that amazing hellion shot.

[Come To Deathstrike]

Fear of Josef.

I am vexed by this decision.
I categorically despise deaths that do nothing for the character.

Caliban died, he died in a Caliban moment, that did something Caliban-esque. and was important to Caliban

Boom Boom died to show cyclops is a dick.
I don't need Anybody dying to know this already

Fever pitch died, but nobody cares about Fever pitch, he was a burning skeleton who turned other people into burning skeletons.I agree with this death on a visual level.

Boom-boom is a valid character who should not be refrigerated to further the ongoing "Cyclops is a dick" story.

We get it. He's A dick.

[Anna]

what do you mean? skids power doesn't turn off?

she really needs to change her name. i can't stand typing that. Leech can turn her powers off. So could power dampening technology.

listen, you, whoever heard of power-stealing bullets anyway? i'm only entertaining their existence for that amazing hellion shot.

Tony Stark had bullets specially tuned to various individuals' powers.

[timbox]

listen, you, whoever heard of power-stealing bullets anyway? i'm only entertaining their existence for that amazing hellion shot.

They were hollow-points filled with silver nitrate.

[Seres]

I am vexed by this decision.
I categorically despise deaths that do nothing for the character.

Caliban died, he died in a Caliban moment, that did something Caliban-esque. and was important to Caliban

Boom Boom died to show cyclops is a dick.
I don't need Anybody dying to know this already

Fever pitch died, but nobody cares about Fever pitch, he was a burning skeleton who turned other people into burning skeletons.I agree with this death on a visual level.

Boom-boom is a valid character who should not be refrigerated to further the ongoing "Cyclops is a dick" story.

We get it. He's A dick.


I love you. Sticky this post, Cronin.

[Optic Rage!]

I am vexed by this decision.
I categorically despise deaths that do nothing for the character.

Caliban died, he died in a Caliban moment, that did something Caliban-esque. and was important to Caliban

Boom Boom died to show cyclops is a dick.
I don't need Anybody dying to know this already

Fever pitch died, but nobody cares about Fever pitch, he was a burning skeleton who turned other people into burning skeletons.I agree with this death on a visual level.

Boom-boom is a valid character who should not be refrigerated to further the ongoing "Cyclops is a dick" story.

We get it. He's A dick.


....bitter bitch

**RUNS**

[Samuraixsithlord]

Don't write Tabby off as dead yet. Cable has a time machine, sure it's broken but they may be able to fix it so he can go back and save her from dying.

[AcesX1X]

They were hollow-points filled with silver nitrate.

are you quoting kate beckinsale?

josef, i am upset by this development as well. i have only now begun to calm down. earlier, i was practically hysterical.

[DeadXMan]

What's your problem with white trash? You some kind of racist?

says the one that wants to kill all the jews in X-men:tongue:

[worstblogever]

says the one that wants to kill all the jews in X-men:tongue:

There's ones left? Pray tell, whom?

[timbox]

Her death did something for the story, obviously, look at your ridiculous reaction. I love Boom Boom more than both of you combined and I see it as beautiful.

[AcesX1X]

says the one that wants to kill all the jews in X-men:tongue:

you're late. astonishing 24 came out last summer.

[The Cool Thatguy]

listen, you, whoever heard of power-stealing bullets anyway? i'm only entertaining their existence for that amazing hellion shot.

Actually, yes I have. An old Excalibur issue had bullets from Genosha, made from the skin of mutates, that could kill a wide range of mutants.

That aside, why would anyone bring a knife to a gun fight?

[creaky]

Boom Boom. That's just not right. :frown:

[The Cool Thatguy]

I think Rahne should stop making out with the woman who killed her mummy.

Wait, what? When did Rahne make out with Mystique?

[Come To Deathstrike]

....bitter bitch

**RUNS**

Listen, just because my favourite character is not a whiney old man, who is now just Mister CEO, who must make the important decisions about his team, because he is the CEO, and must make CEO based decisions, because he is the CEO of ALL MUTANCY.

If Mystique started running around knitting everyone jumpers, I would feel your pain.
You must be suffering.

are you quoting kate beckinsale?

josef, i am upset by this development as well. i have only now begun to calm down. earlier, i was practically hysterical.

I went for a walk to calm down. See facebook for photos.

Her death did something for the story, obviously, look at your ridiculous reaction. I love Boom Boom more than both of you combined and I see it as beautiful.

Quiet, surge fan. You are letting your surprise at surge's non-death overwhelm your common sense.

[darknessatnoon]

you're late. astonishing 24 came out last summer.

Almost a year later and we're not even on issue 28.

[DeadXMan]

There's ones left? Pray tell, whom?

you're late. astonishing 24 came out last summer.

Magneto

and it was giant size

[timbox]

Quiet, surge fan. You are letting your surprise at surge's death overwhelm your common sense.

Surge could not dream of a more glorious death. I have already embraced her unavoidable demise.

[worstblogever]

Magneto


Last time I checked, he's not been an X-Man for about fifteen years. Quite the opposite, in fact.

[Beast]

Don't write Tabby off as dead yet. Cable has a time machine, sure it's broken but they may be able to fix it so he can go back and save her from dying.
Yeah, like he went back and stopped Scarlet Witch from going Ape-Poopies.

Or stopped Vulcan from slamming a jet into Banshee.

Cable's just as much of a dick as his old man is. Now we know where he got it.

[DeadXMan]

once an X-men Always an X-man

and besides Eric's student survival rate is much higher then Scott's.


How many have died since Scott and emma took over? 50 +?

[AcesX1X]

once an X-men Always an X-man

and besides Eric's student survival rate is much higher then Scott's.


How many have died since Scott and emma took over? 50 +?

magneto has no place in this thread!

[jarrod]

Tab. :(

God, and here I thought I couldn't hate Boreclops any more than I already did... I CANNOT wait until Bobby, Sam, Theresa, Rictor and Roberto find out.


There's ones left? Pray tell, whom?
David coming's back soon, though his X-Man status is pretty debatable. Ditto for Magneto. Um... I think that's it. :/

[worstblogever]

and besides Eric's student survival rate is much higher then Scott's.


Uh huh. Asteroid M crashing ring a bell? That had a pretty high body count.

And, Genosha was under his watch, too. Millions.

Take your false rhetoric elsewhere.

[DeadXMan]

Magneto is perfect for leading X-Force!

He was a former Nazi Hunt after all and wouldn't let students die, like scott has done.

[drwho]

Stop The Pointless Stupid Deaths. They do realize they are going to run out of mutants at the rate they have been going the past few years dont they? Oh wait i forgot this is the creative team that blew up a whole bunch of characters on a bus that had potential. Aah no im not surprised now.

[DeadXMan]

Uh huh. Asteroid M crashing ring a bell? That had a pretty high body count.

And, Genosha was under his watch, too. Millions.
Take your false rhetoric elsewhere.

That one was Chuck. He should of done a better Job eliminating Cassie. and Emma for betraying them to her:rolleyes: :tongue:

but as head master he only lost one student since the tenacity of the Rasputin Clan for not staying dead has proved itself once again.

Where as Scott's list contiune to grow

[worstblogever]

Stop The Pointless Stupid Deaths. They do realize they are going to run out of mutants at the rate they have been going the past few years dont they? Oh wait i forgot this is the creative team that blew up a whole bunch of characters on a bus that had potential.

Wait, I thought you only came into X-Force threads to complain about pointless resurrections in a book you don't pick up?

Why the sudden change in policy?

[drwho]

pointless deaths and resurrections. you dont just off characters with potential. hell they could have just replaced boom boom with another morlok instead.

[worstblogever]

That one was Chuck. He should of done a better Job eliminating Cassie. and Emma for betraying them to her:rolleyes: :tongue:

but as head master he only lost one student since the tenacity of the Rasputin Clan for not staying dead has proved itself once again.

Where as Scott's list contiune to grow

He had the job for like, what, a few months? And he lost two of his seven students in that time?

Remind me not to vote you onto my PTA board.

[ilikeyourshoes]

Yeah. I'm not sure what the praise is about in this book. I was able to live with Warpath going back a couple years on his characterization. Uhm. The Domino characterization. Yeah. I have no idea where Kyle and Yost take that from. Every thing she does in that book absolutely baffles me.

But the matter at hand: Tabitha.

Yeah, she might get out of it. If not, that was a pretty lame way to die. She's been in limbo for awhile, and to bring her back just to kill her? Stupid.

[drwho]

Yeah. I'm not sure what the praise is about in this book. I was able to live with Warpath going back a couple years on his characterization. Uhm. The Domino characterization. Yeah. I have no idea where Kyle and Yost take that from. Every thing she does in that book absolutely baffles me.

But the matter at hand: Tabitha.

Yeah, she might get out of it. If not, that was a pretty lame way to die. She's been in limbo for awhile, and to bring her back just to kill her? Stupid.

thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Imraith Nimphais]

question...wot is an "un-lame" way to die? After all, Dead is dead.

[ilikeyourshoes]

Dead is dead, yes. However, a lot of comic book deaths have been plotted quite well. They worked with the story, and were not done for mere shock value. They actually meant something.

This would not be one of those times.

[Vanish]

Tabby should've died during her Meltdown days so I wouldn't have to feel sad over losing Boom Boom.

Hopefully she's okay. She's funny. :/

[DeadXMan]

He had the job for like, what, a few months? And he lost two of his seven students in that time?

Remind me not to vote you onto my PTA board.


one is back from the dead so that doesn't count

Scott has lost
Dee Jay
Tag
Icarus
wolf club
a bus load of students
Quill
Wings
Kitty
and for the time being
Boom boom
hellion
and surge
Also he would of let the world die if Jean hadn't forced him to be with Emma.

[CmX]

I'm glad Boomer is dead. I hope Hellion is next.

[nightingaledies]

Totally agree with you. They are treating Tabitha like an extra--kill her off for the shock value and because to Kyle and Yost, she is not important. It's lame because why they killed her off.

[timbox]

Based on all these new posters, the shock value worked. My compliments to the writers.

I understand your anger, I love Boom Boom too, but this was brilliant, emotional perfection.

[nightingaledies]

"wot" is lame about this is how they treat Tabitha and how her death is meaningless. Dead is dead, but don't you think she should have an reason why she died, other then to show how damaged some fuck was.

[yanapryde]

The book is fantastic.
Readers are never satisfied.
The dialouge is excellent and convincing. You can 'hear' their voices. Tone and all. At points, I actually laughed out loud while reading. And let out a gasp more than once. The emotional responses are amazing. I lost my breath for a moment at the end of the issue.

All of this screams successful writing.

Everyone thinks they can do better.
Everyone whines and complains.
Its devastating (Tabby's loss) I agree, and if Julian and Nori die as well, I'm sure to have an equally, if not stronger emotional reaction but I still feel that it is effectively executed (pun intended) and fits.

[timbox]

"wot" is lame about this is how they treat Tabitha and how her death is meaningless. Dead is dead, but don't you think she should have an reason why she died, other then to show how damaged some fuck was.

I guess you got the point then.

[CyclopsFan6894]

Based on all these new posters, the shock value worked. My compliments to the writers.

I understand your anger, I love Boom Boom too, but this was brilliant, emotional perfection.

I think this person has said it best.

[Seres]

The book is fantastic.
Readers are never satisfied.
The dialouge is excellent and convincing. You can 'hear' their voices. Tone and all. At points, I actually laughed out loud while reading. And let out a gasp more than once. The emotional responses are amazing. I lost my breath for a moment at the end of the issue.

All of this screams successful writing.

Everyone thinks they can do better.
Everyone whines and complains.
Its devastating (Tabby's loss) I agree, and if Julian and Nori die as well, I'm sure to have an equally, if not stronger emotional reaction but I still feel that it is effectively executed (pun intended) and fits.

It's not. You could put any character in Tabby's position and the reaction would be the same. It is not a reaction to how well-placed and written she has been in this story: it is a reaction to the back-story and history she has. The writers of this issue took her and put her in this story bluntly and with the sole intention of killing her off.

It is pure shock value.

[CyclopsFan6894]

It's not. You could put any character in Tabby's position and the reaction would be the same. It is not a reaction to how well-placed and written she has been in this story: it is a reaction to the back-story and history she has. The writers of this issue took her and put her in this story bluntly and with the sole intention of killing her off.

It is pure shock value.

Shock value with purpose, the implications of her death and going to be felt for a long time, I'd be the house on it.

[Seres]

Shock value with purpose, the implications of her death and going to be felt for a long time, I'd be the house on it.

I accept your wager. If you are incorrect, I will own your house.

[yanapryde]

Totally agree with you. They are treating Tabitha like an extra--kill her off for the shock value and because to Kyle and Yost, she is not important. It's lame because why they killed her off.

Kyle and Yost didn't choose her for that reason.
Think of her connections to all the characters involved.
Domino.
Warpath.
Vanisher.
She wasn't chosen all willy nilly. The writers decisions have meaning.
They always have. They always will. I hardly think they sat around thinking: "What nobody can we kill in the next issue."

Statments like "they are treating her like an extra" imply that she IS an extra and expendable. To assume that's the reason, speaks to her value among readers.
I was shocked she was included, but after reading this issue, her death made/makes a HUGE impact and her death was circumstantial. She WAS going to be saved, but it made a greater impact given that she wasn't and the reason behind it.

Rest in Peace Tabitha.

[nightingaledies]

I think Tabitha deserve more than this. She's bad ass, she was in the X-force, she was mentored Cable, and what do we get? Tabitha going into limbo, becoming a valley girl, then getting shot for nothing! Oh, tabitha is dead--let's angst and probably forgot her in the next issue.

[CMBMOOL]

I have to say at times like these, Yost and Kyle are writers that you can have a love/hate realtionship with when it comes to their works.


And it is so good each time they work together within a Marvel comic.:tongue:

[yanapryde]

It's not. You could put any character in Tabby's position and the reaction would be the same. It is not a reaction to how well-placed and written she has been in this story: it is a reaction to the back-story and history she has. The writers of this issue took her and put her in this story bluntly and with the sole intention of killing her off.

It is pure shock value.

Again I say: Readers are never satisified.

[drwho]

perhaps boom boom will be resurrected as a techno virus thing and somehow there will be a cure and all the people that were infected will be considered alive again. one mass resurrection.

[Seres]

Again I say: Readers are never satisified.

Your glib remark is duly noted. Would you like me to contrast it with the posts you made about Magik during X-Infernus?

I have always been worried about the nature of this book. It is ramping things up with every issue, and eventually it will work itself into a corner and run out of steam as a result.

First it kills off an army of extras, then it kills off some reasonably known villains, and now it kills known heroic characters. And none of those past three characters have been written by the writers before: they were brought in to be killed off. These past three deaths have not added anything to the series (alright, Tabby has only just died, but still) to the main cast besides a vague feeling of necessary justice. That's what I am complaining about.

[Novaya Havoc]

Totally agree with you. They are treating Tabitha like an extra--kill her off for the shock value and because to Kyle and Yost, she is not important. It's lame because why they killed her off.

You're gonna have egg on your face if X-Force returns to that very moment in time and kill Leper Queen, thereby saving Boom Boom. No character dies forever.

[yanapryde]

Your glib remark is duly noted. Would you like me to contrast it with the posts you made about Magik during X-Infernus?

I have always been worried about the nature of this book. It is ramping things up with every issue, and eventually it will work itself into a corner and run out of steam as a result.

First it kills off an army of extras, then it kills off some reasonably known villains, and now it kills known heroic characters. And none of those past three characters have been written by the writers before: they were brought in to be killed off. These past three deaths have not added anything to the series (alright, Tabby has only just died, but still) to the main cast besides a vague feeling of necessary justice. That's what I am complaining about.

Why is it whenever someone posts a counter argument it is read as hostile? Or in my case: glib ?

And now to bring up Magik? Whats that about? Personal attacks?

[Seres]

Why is it whenever someone posts a counter argument it is read as hostile? Or in my case: glib ?

And now to bring up Magik? Whats that about? Personal attacks?

You didn't offer me a counter-argument. You said that I was never satisfied, when in fact I am frequently satisfied.

I chided you for this but then decided to show you leniency and give you a second chance to counter my argument.

[Imraith Nimphais]

"wot" is lame about this is how they treat Tabitha and how her death is meaningless. Dead is dead, but don't you think she should have an reason why she died, other then to show how damaged some fuck was.

She was in limbo...no other writer had any use for her or wanted to use her...if it were not for K n Y, limbo is where she would have spent the rest of her (forgotten) days...and by you own admission/post...her death had "reason" and import..."to show how damaged some fuck was."

[timbox]

I can vouch for Seres being frequently satisfied.

[Novaya Havoc]

And now to bring up Magik? Whats that about? Personal attacks?

It's how it rolls. Every time I criticize a book? It's because Dazzler isn't in it/doing what I want her to do. Ironically, when I was liking Brubaker's Uncanny and praising it -- and trashing Legacy -- I'd get comments saying "So why are you giving Uncanny a free pass because Dazzler is going to be in it?"

Sometimes people just can't separate character fandom with comic critiques, and then amalgamate the two to make a straw-man argument.

[CmX]

Ugh, I think Boomer is going to be the new Darkstar of fan backlash. Oh well I guess that means we can stop hearing about them bitch about fucking Darkstar.

[ilikeyourshoes]

She was in limbo...no other writer had any use for her or wanted to use her...if it were not for K n Y, limbo is where she would have spent the rest of her (forgotten) days...and by you own admission/post...her death had "reason" and import..."to show how damaged some fuck was."

Someone would have picked her up eventually. She didn't need to die in order for her to be "used".

[Swashbuckler]

I agree that Tab's death was memorable and important. No, it wasn't a death that was all about her. It was a death that illustrated how messed up the whole situation is. Was she used as canon fodder? Kind of, but at least the characters int eh books have important history with her. It's not like she is killed and no one notices. She wasn't being used anywhere else. Her death is the most interesting thing she's done since she chopped her hair off and started going by Meltdown obviously.

[Seres]

Ugh, I think Boomer is going to be the new Darkstar of fan backlash. Oh well I guess that means we can stop hearing about them bitch about fucking Darkstar.

Have a look at my signature. Things are going to be absolutely hellish for you over the next few weeks, I'm afraid.

[drwho]

Ugh, I think Boomer is going to be the new Darkstar of fan backlash. Oh well I guess that means we can stop hearing about them bitch about fucking Darkstar.

boomer has more fans than darkstar.

[yanapryde]

You didn't offer me a counter-argument. You said that I was never satisfied, when in fact I am frequently satisfied.

I chided you for this but then decided to show you leniency and give you a second chance to counter my argument.

I made statements trying to illustrate that I thought Yost and Kyle had a strategy behind Tabitha's death. That it was intentional. And that it was for a purpose. Not just shock. She had a connection to these characters. I don't know who else they could have put in her place to have that kind of effect. Rictor? He's human and somewhere in the midwest I believe. Dani? Also human. I'm not sure of any former teammates would have been successful in this unfortunate turn of events. Please keep in mind these are genuine inquiries. I too regret her death so please don't misunderstand me, even though I'm more accepting of it.

I've been there and done that. My girl is the poster child for death. I sympathize. I really really do.

And....leniency? Ouch.:frown:

[Swashbuckler]

If Feral were alive, she's probably be a victim of the Leper Queen too.

[yanapryde]

It's how it rolls. Every time I criticize a book? It's because Dazzler isn't in it/doing what I want her to do. Ironically, when I was liking Brubaker's Uncanny and praising it -- and trashing Legacy -- I'd get comments saying "So why are you giving Uncanny a free pass because Dazzler is going to be in it?"

Sometimes people just can't separate character fandom with comic critiques, and then amalgamate the two to make a straw-man argument.

Okay, thanks Novaya Havoc.
For what its worth, I'm a Dazzler fan. Blonde Mutant Fans Unite...?

[Novaya Havoc]

Ugh, I think Boomer is going to be the new Darkstar of fan backlash. Oh well I guess that means we can stop hearing about them bitch about fucking Darkstar.

Nah. Darkstar's death was pointless. No one freakin' knew Darkstar. That death served only as shock and set-up for how awesome!!! Weapon XIII/Fantomex would be. One of Morrison's low points.
Tabby's death can go places re: the other characters involved. Basically everyone on X-Force knew her for a long time (Elixir/X-23 excepted).

[Come To Deathstrike]

You're gonna have egg on your face if X-Force returns to that very moment in time and kill Leper Queen, thereby saving Boom Boom. No character dies forever.

They would then have to walk 30 miles back to where they were, to go and save her.
Beast doesn't make very good time machines, poor guy.

[Seres]

I made statements trying to illustrate that I thought Yost and Kyle had a strategy behind Tabitha's death. That it was intentional. And that it was for a purpose. Not just shock. She had a connection to these characters. I don't know who else they could have put in her place to have that kind of effect. Rictor? He's human and somewhere in the midwest I believe. Dani? Also human. I'm not sure of any former teammates would have been successful in this unfortunate turn of events. Please keep in mind these are genuine inquiries. I too regret her death so please don't misunderstand me, even though I'm more accepting of it.

I've been there and done that. My girl is the poster child for death. I sympathize. I really really do.

And....leniency? Ouch.:frown:

I'm sorry; I didn't see the post you made before you replied to me. I hope that they do have the intention of making this death important, but I'm more inclined to believe that once this storyline is over she won't be mentioned anymore; based on the past storylines from Mr Kyle and Mr Yost.

The New Mutants, at least, should make reference to it, what with Cannonball and Sunspot both being members of the new team.

[ilikeyourshoes]

I'm sorry; I didn't see the post you made before you replied to me. I hope that they do have the intention of making this death important, but I'm more inclined to believe that once this storyline is over she won't be mentioned anymore; based on the past storylines from Mr Kyle and Mr Yost.

The New Mutants, at least, should make reference to it, what with Cannonball and Sunspot both being members of the new team.

If Sam doesn't have some sort of reaction to her death, I'm going to be mad. Bobby too.

I doubt Rictor will, mostly because he's out of the X-loop.

[darknessatnoon]

Seres,

Give it a rest. Nobody but you and Ben give a damn about that tramp Darkstar. She was one of the pantheon of boring international characters whose death was meaningless because she is meaningless. I don't want to read her name any more in this thread. Seriously, more people care about Sage. I care more about Shamrock than Darkstar.

And I really don't know what you're rambling on about in your criticisms of the comic. Boomer's death was meaningless? Hello! It was a terrorist plot. It wasn't supposed to be deeply meaningful or honorable. Since your posts are all over the place, I will assume that SeresA and SeresB are both posting and you are both stoned.

[passenger]

It was definitely intentional,and I can see Scott having to deal with some serious consequences,even if Tabby's death gets negated due to time travel.

We are already told by the writers to pay close attention to Beast.My guess is that he will be the next in line (after Rockslide and Logan) to use general Cyclops as a punching bag.

And for all his manipulating,Xavier would never intentionally abandon any of his students the way Cyclops abandoned Boom Boom.

[yanapryde]

I'm sorry; I didn't see the post you made before you replied to me. I hope that they do have the intention of making this death important, but I'm more inclined to believe that once this storyline is over she won't be mentioned anymore; based on the past storylines from Mr Kyle and Mr Yost.

The New Mutants, at least, should make reference to it, what with Cannonball and Sunspot both being members of the new team.


Excellent point. Her death HAS TO resonate with The New Mutants. Perhaps that'll be a very poignant motivator for their reuniting. Tabby was one of them. Perhaps, for some, that is motivation to join together to ensure it doesn't happen to anyone else.

[Swashbuckler]

And I really don't know what you're rambling on about in your criticisms of the comic. Boomer's death was meaningless? Hello! It was a terrorist plot. It wasn't supposed to be deeply meaningful or honorable. Since your posts are all over the place, I will assume that SeresA and SeresB are both posting and you are both stoned.

I am stoned and arguing in favor of her death. That is no excuse for Seres A or B.

[yanapryde]

It was definitely intentional,and I can see Scott having to deal with some serious consequences,even if Tabby's death gets negated due to time travel.

We are already told by the writers to pay close attention to Beast.My guess is that he will be the next in line (after Rockslide and Logan) to use general Cyclops as a punching bag.

And for all his manipulating,Xavier would never intentionally abandon any of his students the way Cyclops abandoned Boom Boom.

To be fair, and I know I'll probably be chastised for stepping into the Summers camp briefly, but DID Scott know where they were when he activated the time-leaping-thingies? I mean, he IS working with a very small window of opportunity for this whole future-chase deal right? I believe that's what Beast implied, but I don't have my issue with me at the moment.

[DeadXMan]

It was definitely intentional,and I can see Scott having to deal with some serious consequences,even if Tabby's death gets negated due to time travel.

We are already told by the writers to pay close attention to Beast.My guess is that he will be the next in line (after Rockslide and Logan) to use general Cyclops as a punching bag.

And for all his manipulating,Xavier would never intentionally abandon any of his students the way Cyclops abandoned Boom Boom.

.... ummm x-men 1.5 ring any bells.:tongue:

[drwho]

so how would you all feel if nothing came from boom booms death? would you all then agree it was just used for shock value?

[Seres]

Seres,

Give it a rest. Nobody but you and Ben give a damn about that tramp Darkstar. She was one of the pantheon of boring international characters whose death was meaningless because she is meaningless. I don't want to read her name any more in this thread. Seriously, more people care about Sage. I care more about Shamrock than Darkstar.

And I really don't know what you're rambling on about in your criticisms of the comic. Boomer's death was meaningless? Hello! It was a terrorist plot. It wasn't supposed to be deeply meaningful or honorable. Since your posts are all over the place, I will assume that SeresA and SeresB are both posting and you are both stoned.

I didn't start the Darkstar talk this time! It was CmX! I am being framed.

My posts are firmly in line with one another. My argument flows from the one to the other to the other.

[darknessatnoon]

.... ummm x-men 1.5 ring any bells.:tongue:

LOL

It's true. For once, you're right deadXMan. I'm sure Petra, Sway, Vulcan and Darwin would take umbrage at this newfound Xavier love.

[jarrod]

.... ummm x-men 1.5 ring any bells.:tongue:
Xavier thought they were all dead... at least that's what Scott told him.

So really, that was due to Boreclops too.

[DeadXMan]

perfectly fine with it.

but I can see this tearing a rip the X-men.

particuly,
the new mutants alumni.

and with Lord Magneto repowered I can see them going to him

[Novaya Havoc]

so how would you all feel if nothing came from boom booms death? would you all then agree it was just used for shock value?

Of course.

However, I highly -- highly -- doubt this is the case.

KY are continuity followers (yet not ContinuityWonks like some others). They know what be up. So chill out.

I loved the story.

[yanapryde]

perfectly fine with it.

but I can see this tearing a rip the X-men.

particuly,
the new mutants alumni.

and with Lord Magneto repowered I can see them going to him

Do you suppose with all the chaos going on, and how we've all been lead to believe that there will be a definite rift in the X-Men (people choosing sides) that there may be a chance for some of our gang to switch over to Magneto's side?
How would they divide?
Scott's side? Emma's side? Maggie's side?:confused:

[jarrod]

Do you suppose with all the chaos going on, and how we've all been lead to believe that there will be a definite rift in the X-Men (people choosing sides) that there may be a chance for some of our gang to switch over to Magneto's side?
How would they divide?
Scott's side? Emma's side? Maggie's side?:confused:
Illyana was pretty pro-Magneto. More than probably anyone else on the Muties.

When Kitty comes back, I'd like to see her working with Magnus rather than the X-Frat.

[darknessatnoon]

Xavier thought they were all dead... at least that's what Scott told him.

So really, that was due to Boreclops too.

No one was talking to you, jarrod.

[CyclopsFan6894]

It was definitely intentional,and I can see Scott having to deal with some serious consequences,even if Tabby's death gets negated due to time travel.

We are already told by the writers to pay close attention to Beast.My guess is that he will be the next in line (after Rockslide and Logan) to use general Cyclops as a punching bag.

And for all his manipulating,Xavier would never intentionally abandon any of his students the way Cyclops abandoned Boom Boom.

I look forward to this story. Cyclops and Beast both had a decent relationship with Boom Boom from the early X-Factor days, I expect, Yost and Kyle being the history buffs they are choose Tabby because of her connection to multiple characters.

so how would you all feel if nothing came from boom booms death? would you all then agree it was just used for shock value?

Yes.

[jarrod]

No one was talking to you, jarrod.
The record demanded correcting anyway. You clearly weren't up to the task.

Scott's hysteria misled Xavier. Really, he's to blame for his brother's corruption and subsequent murder of his biological father.

[DeadXMan]

It starting to Show with Beast
Two of his old friends have been keeping terrible secrets

He knows there is more going on then they are seeing.

Rockslide has shown his disgruntle nature in young. now how will the deaths of Hellion and surge effect him?

Wolverine not liking that so many are walking down the same corpse landed path with him.

Colossus sees Scott as doing nothing to save kitty or his sister.
Storm has had unease since Scott let the sentinels guard the school, and has also doesn't trust Emma as as as she can throw.

everything a powder Keg waiting for a spark.


It a three way battle
Scott, Storm or Magneto

and maybe Chuck

[darknessatnoon]

The record demanded correcting anyway. You clearly weren't up to the task.

Scott's hysteria misled Xavier. Really, he's to blame for his brother's corruption and subsequent murder of his biological father.

Right. Because Cyclops telepathically gave them two hours of training and sent them off on a suicide mission and then he wiped his own brain before bothering to check if they were really dead.

Cyclops can only be blamed for the deaths of Boomer/Boom Boom/Time Bomb/Meltdown/Tabby (still only counts as one person) and Banshee.

[jarrod]

Right. Because Cyclops telepathically gave them two hours of training and sent them off on a suicide mission and then he wiped his own brain before bothering to check if they were really dead.

Cyclops can only be blamed for the deaths of Boomer/Boom Boom/Time Bomb/Meltdown/Tabby (still only counts as one person) and Banshee.
Cyclops told him they were dead, otherwise Xaiver never would've allowed Storm and Lorna to play catch with Krakoa. It's not his fault that the boyscout was feeding him bad info.

[Hakael]

X-Force and Cyclops may have a falling out if all three die. Warpath is already unhappy with the way things are going, Domino was very close to Tabby, and if Hellion and Surge die, I can't imagine Elixir will want to stay involved or that Laura will take Julian's death well.

Add in how many X-Men will disagree with him when they find out what he's done to "protect the species", and Scott's gonna have a lot of his army angry at him.

[CMBMOOL]

X-Force and Cyclops may have a falling out if all three die. Warpath is already unhappy with the way things are going, Domino was very close to Tabby, and if Hellion and Surge die, I can't imagine Elixir will want to stay involved or that Laura will take Julian's death well.

Add in how many X-Men will disagree with him when they find out what he's done to "protect the species", and Scott's gonna have a lot of his army angry at him.
Yet could the same thing be said about Xavier's actions as well ?

[darknessatnoon]

X-Force and Cyclops may have a falling out if all three die. Warpath is already unhappy with the way things are going, Domino was very close to Tabby, and if Hellion and Surge die, I can't imagine Elixir will want to stay involved or that Laura will take Julian's death well.

Add in how many X-Men will disagree with him when they find out what he's done to "protect the species", and Scott's gonna have a lot of his army angry at him.

Most of the X-Men are sheep. Nightcrawler will just slap him on the shoulder and say "don't do it again meine freunde." Beast will cough up a couple of hairballs and get back to failing. Iceman will go back to practicing making ice dildos with his powers.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yet could the same thing be said about Xavier's actions as well ?

Not really. For all the stuff Xavier's done, it's usually been to someone the X-Men don't much care about and they act outraged on principle.

Here, Scott's forcing people to leave their friends in harm's way for a vague mission. I know which one would piss me off more.

[DeadXMan]

Yet could the same thing be said about Xavier's actions as well ?

No one really seems to be angry at chuck, but Scott and Emma

Logan actually thanked him for what he did to him in Orginal Sin. Chuck rebuilt him into a hero.

[worstblogever]

Most of the X-Men are sheep. Nightcrawler will just slap him on the shoulder and say "don't do it again meine freunde." Beast will cough up a couple of hairballs and get back to failing. Iceman will go back to practicing making ice dildos with his powers.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/icemanpole.jpg

Since the 1960s, no one has done it better.

[Swashbuckler]

Scott's leadership qualities are not to be questioned! You all should bow and apologize to Cyclops now!!!

http://x3d.xanga.com/eaff5b7427234236937477/m187241348.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

THREE OUT OF FIVE STARS?!

What is this BENJAMIN BUTTON'S SHIT!!!!1!? (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=829)


Rather odd to make the second half of a two-parter an intro to another story, but I suppose all you really need to know going in is that this group doesn't hesitate to get their hands dirty and Cyclops gives them missions to do just that.

To me, that's where this whole thing goes horribly wrong. Wolverine struggled for years to make himself more than just a killing machine, and to have him lead this group and partake in the killing so readily just seems like a decades-backward leap for the character. But it sells comics. Yost and Kyle use Logan as their voicebox in this story, narrating through Logan's mind. An interesting choice, to be sure, but it allows for a jaded insight to the actions and reactions of this team. Yost and Kyle treat Logan with respect through his thoughts, but his overall actions just seem contrived and forced. This team would be more palatable as a strikeforce if Logan were not on it, I think, but Marvel has stood behind the theory that Wolverine sells comics.

Who in the Lois London Hell gets sandy about Wolverine in X-Force?

BRIAN CRONIN! I demand a new reviewer for X-Force. This is some "politically correct" garbage! It's worse than "Holiday Trees"! If this creature gives Uncanny a higher rating, I will be forced to attack CBR's advertisers.

Or not. But that's just because I'm lazy like most American youths, and not because I wouldn't consider it.

BUT THIS REVIEW!!!!!!!! Burn it.

[Novaya Havoc]

Scott's leadership qualities are not to be questioned! You all should bow and apologize to Cyclops now!!!

http://x3d.xanga.com/eaff5b7427234236937477/m187241348.jpg

That. scan. is. brilliant.

Please post it over and over in the Uncanny thread (even if it's not from that book).

[lockerogue]

Scott's leadership qualities are not to be questioned! You all should bow and apologize to Cyclops now!!!

http://x3d.xanga.com/eaff5b7427234236937477/m187241348.jpg

LOL what book is this from.

[XaviersMisprint]

This issue was phenomenal. I am so disappointed that Boom Boom had to go, though. I hope Elixir heals her because seriously, she JUST started becoming a useful and fun character. She found her niche. And now she's dead!


The Leper Queen is SUCH a likeable character, even whens he kills a bunch of fan-favorites. I am a little upset about this issue, as great as it was, I am sort of emotional about it which rarely happens with comic books. Kyle and Yost know how to write an engaging tale.

[Swashbuckler]

LOL what book is this from.

Wolverine Origins 34

[lockerogue]

Seres,

Give it a rest. Nobody but you and Ben give a damn about that tramp Darkstar.

WTF I also give a damn about that tramp.

[darknessatnoon]

Gaijin Dog.

I love your avatar.

[q.u.e.e.n.]

THREE OUT OF FIVE STARS?!

What is this BENJAMIN BUTTON'S SHIT!!!!1!? (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=829)



Who in the Lois London Hell gets sandy about Wolverine in X-Force?

BRIAN CRONIN! I demand a new reviewer for X-Force. This is some "politically correct" garbage! It's worse than "Holiday Trees"! If this creature gives Uncanny a higher rating, I will be forced to attack CBR's advertisers.

Or not. But that's just because I'm lazy like most American youths, and not because I wouldn't consider it.

BUT THIS REVIEW!!!!!!!! Burn it.

LOL do feel free to stop any time.

It's his job to review the book. Let him do it. That's why you have the forums to discuss your opinion. While I disagree and think he belongs in the book, I can see what he is saying about Wolverine being stuck in this book as the seller...and there's nothing wrong with that..as long as it still sells and makes fans happy.

[drwho]

im not reading the review but as long as the reviewer didnt knock the stars off the book just cus wolverine was in it then that is fine. Reviews should be based on the plots and what happens in the issue. Complaining about a character in the book that is part of the book is not a good way to review it.

[darknessatnoon]

Thank you.
But I do not like yours.

Thank you for reminding me of my priorities. I have changed it.

[Novaya Havoc]

LOL do feel free to stop any time.

It's his job to review the book. Let him do it. That's why you have the forums to discuss your opinion. While I disagree and think he belongs in the book, I can see what he is saying about Wolverine being stuck in this book as the seller...and there's nothing wrong with that..as long as it still sells and makes fans happy.

Put a ballgag in it, Jayme.

[The Phoenix King]

Overall, I just loved this issue, but the three-month wait before we get any answers as to the fate of Surge and Hellion is just a pain. Damn you, Kyle and Yost! DAMN YOOOOUUUU! (does his best Doctor Doom-angry impression). Hopefully they end up surviving and capable, as they are some of my favourite new characters that Marvel's created recently, but if they have to go out, this is probably the best we can hope for.

That is, of course, not to say that they are dead. Cyclops did say that he would send others to help them, and considering how he was fully prepared to pull out X-Force the moment they found Cable, it's possible he has a team in reserve waiting in the wings to act. Combined with Pixie's powers, then it could mean that Surge and Hellion are rescued. Then, there's the fact that their time-travel devices will bring X-Force back to the exact moment to help, although it remains to be seen whether not or they'll be in any condition to help. Maybe Hope could save them? Normally, I'd consider the use of such a thing a major reset button, but given that it's some of my favourites on the line, I'm willing to let it slide. But curse you Chris Yost and Craig Kyle for putting Nori on the chopping block. And bravo for writing such a thrilling and first-class comic! Well done, you magnificent bastards!

[Darth Logan]

Maybe I missed something but can someone please explain to me why they had to time travel at that exact moment? Once they know when and where Cable is can't they leave at any time? It doesn't matter if they leave now, in an hour, or in a week. It's time travel! They'll always get there at the same time.

[Beast]

Maybe I missed something but can someone please explain to me why they had to time travel at that exact moment? Once they know when and where Cable is can't they leave at any time? It doesn't matter if they leave now, in an hour, or in a week. It's time travel! They'll always get there at the same time.
Cause Cable could bounce again, and they'd have to wait for him to re-appear in the timestream again.

[Come To Deathstrike]

Maybe I missed something but can someone please explain to me why they had to time travel at that exact moment? Once they know when and where Cable is can't they leave at any time? It doesn't matter if they leave now, in an hour, or in a week. It's time travel! They'll always get there at the same time.

Because Boom Boom had to die.

[Darth Logan]

Cause Cable could bounce again, and they'd have to wait for him to re-appear in the timestream again.

But they now know he will be in place X at time Y. It doesn't matter if he leaves 5 minutes later. They still show up at that place and time and he'll still be there.

[Peter F.]

But they now know he will be in place X at time Y. It doesn't matter if he leaves 5 minutes later. They still show up at that place and time and he'll still be there.

It's time travel. Don't think about it too much.

[CyclopsFan6894]

But they now know he will be in place X at time Y. It doesn't matter if he leaves 5 minutes later. They still show up at that place and time and he'll still be there.

They time machines Beast was able to put together don't work like all the other ones we've read about. The machines are linked to the sensors Beast entered into the timestream in Cable #6. These sensors relay data back to Beast's computer, it seems they work in a real time manner, meaning that if he's in a certain spot w/ a sensor for an hour, Beast gets the reading of where Cable is for one hour, then he vanishes and it's up to other sensors further down the line to find him. It just comes down to the fact that Beast built shitty time machines.

[Darth Logan]

They time machines Beast was able to put together don't work like all the other ones we've read about. The machines are linked to the sensors Beast entered into the timestream in Cable #6. These sensors relay data back to Beast's computer, it seems they work in a real time manner, meaning that if he's in a certain spot w/ a sensor for an hour, Beast gets the reading of where Cable is for one hour, then he vanishes and it's up to other sensors further down the line to find him. It just comes down to the fact that Beast built shitty time machines.

Hmmm... I guess that makes sense. Where's Forge when you need him?

[Peter F.]

Hmmm... I guess that makes sense. Where's Forge when you need him?

Astonishing X-men.

[CyclopsFan6894]

Hmmm... I guess that makes sense. Where's Forge when you need him?

Drinking the fire water with the other chief's.

[Hakael]

Hmmm... I guess that makes sense. Where's Forge when you need him?

Getting ambushed by Bishop... again.

[Anna]

Scott's leadership qualities are not to be questioned! You all should bow and apologize to Cyclops now!!!

http://x3d.xanga.com/eaff5b7427234236937477/m187241348.jpg

My dear friend Ann Nichols often felt the desire to spit on him.

Ptui!

[DeadXMan]

My dear friend Ann Nichols often felt the desire to spit on him.

Ptui!

For Ann!

*Snot and loggies on cyclops*

[rilynil]

I predict that both Hellion and Surge will survive their trip to New York, since Boom-Boom seemingly met her end this issue.

[SynthesisNY]

is all this killing really necessary considering that mutants are part of the HUMAN SPECIES, and thus are not endangered. so what, no more mutants, boo hoo, maybe then future generations can live normal human lives without persecution. oh wait, but they won't have powers. boo hoo, no special powers to make them feel eccentric and better than people without powers. Cyclops needs to reread his speech in God Loves Man Kills and remind himself that they are all human and its okay. Ordering all these deaths is bad karma, and just leads to escalation and more violence. See the Dark Knight.

[CyclopsFan6894]

I know people don't like killing for the sake of killing but I think the death of Boom Boom is going to be a very powerful one. She is going to be the catalyst for the split that will probably be occurring soon. Boom Boom has early connections to Cyclops, Beast and Angel, she was a long time teammate of Domino and Warpath. This is something that I don't think Yost and Kyle have over looked and it's the reason Boom Boom was chosen.

[The Phoenix King]

I know people don't like killing for the sake of killing but I think the death of Boom Boom is going to be a very powerful one. She is going to be the catalyst for the split that will probably be occurring soon. Boom Boom has early connections to Cyclops, Beast and Angel, she was a long time teammate of Domino and Warpath. This is something that I don't think Yost and Kyle have over looked and it's the reason Boom Boom was chosen.

Hmm, interesting way of looking at it. I'm not much of a Boom Boom fan, so I never really considered it. Then again, I guess you could say the same thing about Icarus, Wallflower or Reverend Craig. The deaths of these characters serve as a catalyst for a change within others and a means of driving the story forward, and, as you so effectively demonstrated, the same could be said of Meltdown as well. Well conceived.

[BulletSpeed]

This book is amazing! Nothing more needs to be said.

[CMBMOOL]

I know people don't like killing for the sake of killing but I think the death of Boom Boom is going to be a very powerful one. She is going to be the catalyst for the split that will probably be occurring soon. Boom Boom has early connections to Cyclops, Beast and Angel, she was a long time teammate of Domino and Warpath. This is something that I don't think Yost and Kyle have over looked and it's the reason Boom Boom was chosen.
Don't forget the rest of the original X-force team. :frown:

[CyclopsFan6894]

Don't forget the rest of the original X-force team. :frown:

Yea I wasn't, I was only mentioning the members of X-Force (current team), since that is probably where the split will start.

[CMBMOOL]

Hmmm... I guess that makes sense. Where's Forge when you need him?
Losing the very few brain cells that he has left, thanks to the double attacks on him by Bishop's actions. :frown:

[Novaya Havoc]

Hmm, interesting way of looking at it. I'm not much of a Boom Boom fan, so I never really considered it. Then again, I guess you could say the same thing about Icarus, Wallflower or Reverend Craig. The deaths of these characters serve as a catalyst for a change within others and a means of driving the story forward, and, as you so effectively demonstrated, the same could be said of Meltdown as well. Well conceived.

Tabby does have a heavy link to all of the characters involved (X-23 and Elixir excepted). She was a fantastic choice.

[Raptor]

Tabby does have a heavy link to all of the characters involved (X-23 and Elixir excepted). She was a fantastic choice.

She was a great choice, but even though I may be in the minority, I don't care for it.

I really like the book, I really liked this issue, but that part I could have lived without.

I'd have prefered eitehr of hte other two. I'm sure I'm "wrong". Meh.

There is a vindictive part of me hoping hte other two get smoked also.

[Shypsi-Prime]

I don't like Scott Summers at all right now after reading this.

R.I.P. Boom Boom :frown:

[Anna]

My dear friend Ann Nichols often felt the desire to spit on him.

Ptui!

For Ann!

*Snot and loggies on cyclops*

I don't like Scott Summers at all right now after reading this.

R.I.P. Boom Boom :frown:


Then join us and spit on him. You'll feel better.

[HeckBoy]

Poor Boom-Boom (and maybe Julian, and to a lesser extent Surge). I can only hope that since time travel's involved, there might be a built-in solution to all of this.

[CmX]

Ugh Ann Nichols? Is she still up and running around in her rascal?

[podmark]

Yay Crain got Elixir right!

Great issue, but I'm shocked C&C got the ok to kill Boom-Boom. And as expected I have to wait 4 months for X-Force to save Hellion and Surge.

Bring on the War.

[CyberHubbs]

Just finished reading it. Yeah, Kyle and Yost are Comic Book Gods. They will lead us all to horrible, gruesome deaths, and we will love them for it.

As for Boom-Boom, I have the sneaky suspicion that it wasn't her. I mean, why waste a perfectly good suicide bomber like that with a bullet to the head? I know Kyle/Yost love their abrupt, anti-climatic deaths, but this was pushing it if it really is Tabby.

[Anna]

Ugh Ann Nichols? Is she still up and running around in her rascal?

I don't spend much time at Comixfan anymore, so I haven't been in touch.

[Omega Alpha]

This was easily one of the best issues of any book at Marvel in recent years. One of the greatest characterizations of both Cyclops and Wolverine I remember reading.

And, while nearly all issues have been very goring, this one is DISTURBING, as much as the best psychological thrillers.

[SayOcean]

why dont they kill off lame xmen like beast.....or rougue...why this hatred on the young muties

[AZPolaris]

She was a great choice, but even though I may be in the minority, I don't care for it.

I really like the book, I really liked this issue, but that part I could have lived without.

I am right there with you. I have let this sink in, and although I see the power of it being Boomer, I am just not OK with it. Yost, I may hold some resentment over this one for a while :frown: Tabitha kicked @$$ and had some pretty good history in the MU. Come on, she was white trash long b4 we ever saw female Angel in NewXMen. I really don't want to see any of the 3 characters die, but seeing tabitha in that last panel kinda hurts. Nice job C&C. And I hate you both. :tongue:

[Vanish]

Just finished reading it. Yeah, Kyle and Yost are Comic Book Gods. They will lead us all to horrible, gruesome deaths, and we will love them for it.

As for Boom-Boom, I have the sneaky suspicion that it wasn't her. I mean, why waste a perfectly good suicide bomber like that with a bullet to the head? I know Kyle/Yost love their abrupt, anti-climatic deaths, but this was pushing it if it really is Tabby.

She's putting her espionage training to work!

Or its a hologram!

Shard!

[Omega Alpha]

LOL! so cyclops has basically just murdered boom boom.


No, The Leper Queen murdered her, and that's her fault alone.

But, yeah, X-force could have stopped it, but Scott chose to take the risk (sending them without being sure whether they killed The Leper Queen or not).

[Falconen]

Poor Rusty was an appetizer for Holocaust, and now Boom Boom was taken out by Leper Queen. What happened to all the the Next Wave crew? I say the young mutants that were taken in by X-Factor are doomed. Poor Leech ended up keeping the mutants unpowered when they were kidnapped by Weapon X, and Artie was depowered (which might not be all that bad of a thing for him). Is Skids now hanging with the remnants of the Morlocks, or did she go back to SHIELD. And, now that SHIELD is defunct (or now HAMMER, or controlled by HYDRA) is she with them, or did she go back to the X-Men ?
On another note, since there were only so many mutants left, (after the Bendis/Quesada had their way) why are we going on a whole sale slaughter of them. Pretty soon we are only going to be left with the same ones we are already having crammed down our throats. I do not want to read stories about the top 10 mutants left alive for the next 4 years. They need to leave off from killing them off one at a time, or resolve their situation, and start seriously repowering some of them.

[sixhoursoflucy]

is all this killing really necessary considering that mutants are part of the HUMAN SPECIES, and thus are not endangered. so what, no more mutants, boo hoo, maybe then future generations can live normal human lives without persecution. oh wait, but they won't have powers. boo hoo, no special powers to make them feel eccentric and better than people without powers. Cyclops needs to reread his speech in God Loves Man Kills and remind himself that they are all human and its okay. Ordering all these deaths is bad karma, and just leads to escalation and more violence. See the Dark Knight.Delivery aside, I largely agree; this is something I've been pondering for a while. Besides the loss of two-hundred or so lives, would the death of the mutant "race" really be that awful? Human consciousness would still go on, and mutants would surely re-evolve at a later point down the line. As much as the creative staff wants to make us believe M-Day is a huge deal, it hasn't ever instilled in me that sense of dread I felt from a film like Children of Men.

[Victorious]

Scott is awesomely written in X-Force. How he protect Dust, his relationship with the Cuckoos, his decisions about Hope, that page of him thoughtful… really great. Love his interaction with Logan a lot, can’t wait to see what happens when the team get back.

Love Dust appearance in this title again! Always good to see her!

Glad Nori and Julian are still alive, and hope they don’t kill them. I’m sure K&Y like these kids, why kill them now after their DWS stories. Can’t wait to see what they are going to do with them…and how Laura and Josh are going to react to Scott decision of leaving them behind. Love how Josh wanted to save them at all cost. And I’m sure Logan would be surprised about some possible Laura reactions about Hellion. He seem to trust her emotionless compromision to the mission, but not Josh’s. I bet he’ll find Laura is much more human than what he think.

No way they’d leave Boom Boom dead, I’m with some others posters here that said they will get back and save her, or Elixir will cure her. She just have a DWS story, she’ll be featured in an upcoming mini and a NM book is starting again where she might be used. And if this is really her death, I think they would have built it up a little bit more.

And since when the Wolf Prince can change into human form?! Is this new or I’m missing something?


Please expand on your belief. Merely stating it does not explain anything for my poor deluded brain :frown:

The characters has definetly been developed. I think the book is so good at combining action with characters development. I seems that it always one or the other, but this book has the exact doses of both.

Warpath thoughts on being in X-Force has been developed in The X-Force Special and in his confrontation with the “Demon Bear”. Also, I think there will be lot of development for him when he meet his resurrected brother.

Archangel has been change from the ordinary Angel into a two personalities persona who is struggling all the time between his true self and his killing machine mode.

Logan has had a lot of development by being the leader and having the responsibility of the team in some way, and pretty much being the one who keep checking on everyone.

Josh has find his purpose again, and he has develop a lot his powers.

Laura is always growing into a more human being, and Elixir help her too. Plus there is a story with her as the main character in the future.

Rahne has had a lot of development, first her doubts with joining the team, then being brainwashed to kill his father and wanting to kill Angel, and then finding the long lost love of her life.

Domino is yet to be developed a little bit more, but there is story of both her and Logan coming out soon.

Vanisher has just been forced to work with the good guys, and he hate it. But I’m sure we will see him change in a lot of ways. Hope he built a emotional relationship with someone on the team, maybe he will became sort of close to Elixir? Love to see that happen. Josh seems to be the only one giving this guy a break.

Cyclops is great in this title too.



ohhh and the art is f**king amazing! the look of the LQ, the last panel with Tab's feet as close up and the panel where they are all fighting is amazing!

[MuhollandDriver]

Yes....ultimately it was the Leper Queen's fault that Boom-Boom is dead.

Nonetheless...that doesn't wash Cyclops of anything.

Wonderful issue. A few points....

1.) Anyone else think there is more to this Asgardian romance plot? Something not so warm and fuzzy?

2.) Boy i cannot stand Cyclops. i also think the writers are intending it that way for some readers. i don't mean it as a criticism either. The writing on this is phenomenal. My values are quite different from his....not that it makes me right and him wrong or vice versa.

3.) Here is a big point....

Remember how many of You were saying "Why on earth would Emma care?"

Well, Emma's main goal has always been to protect the students.

If Emma finds out that Scott left several students to die....expect Scott to be covered in diamond shards. If a split happens in the X-Men....i could even see Emma going to the other side.

This title continues to impress. For me, the flagship is right here.

"Meanwhile in Uncanny....cereal is eaten!"

[Maestro]

Dammit. Hellion gets to live for another day :evilangry:

[DeadXMan]

"Meanwhile in Uncanny....cereal is eaten!"

and a little thing called

THE RETURN OF MAGNETO!!!!!!!

that's the only thing I cared about


now we Land...... joy:rolleyes:

[Kineada]

Most of you are missing the big picture here. To heck with what's going on in the X-Books...Boom Boom possibly being deceased TOTALLY SCREWS any new Nextwave series that might come out! WTFOMG!!!!!11!11!?!?!

I suppose Ellis could just make her a zombie though. It could work...

[DeadXMan]

Jubilee can take er place in next wave 2

[passenger]

Let's see...

We have a possibly dead Boom-Boom.

We have Eli Bard and his technorganic mutant zombies,including a dead mutant tracker (Caliban).

Yep.one way or the other,we WILL see Boom-Boom again:tongue:

[DeadXMan]

Let's see...

We have a possibly dead Boom-Boom.

We have Eli Bard and his technorganic mutant zombies,including a dead mutant tracker (Caliban).

Yep.one way or the other,we WILL see Boom-Boom again:tongue:

I think we have a resurrected thunderbird in that mix.

[Maestro]

I can't believe Vanisher is actually part of the team now. Didn't he have his ear cut off. They are holding the poor guy hostage! If they wanted a teleporter, they should have gotten Nightcrawler. At least him they could trust

[Raptor]

Given how many mutants ahve been killed since M-Day and the 198...can we get an accurate count of how many are left?

[creaky]

I can't believe Vanisher is actually part of the team now. Didn't he have his ear cut off. They are holding the poor guy hostage! If they wanted a teleporter, they should have gotten Nightcrawler. At least him they could trust

Given that everything they do pretty much goes against everything he believes in: no, they couldn't. Plus, it's not the time and place for Logan to have his conscience around.

[passenger]

Given how many mutants ahve been killed since M-Day and the 198...can we get an accurate count of how many are left?

We cannot,since according to Gyrich (A:TI#5 or so),the unnofficial number of powered mutants is around 300,not counting those who died or got repowered (like Pietro) afterwards.

[DeadXMan]

I can't believe Vanisher is actually part of the team now. Didn't he have his ear cut off. They are holding the poor guy hostage! If they wanted a teleporter, they should have gotten Nightcrawler. At least him they could trust

Stockholm is going into effect.

and Kurt's range is four miles max with few that can go with him otherwise the stress will kill him. Porter, on the other hand, is unliminted with both range and amount of people he can port.

[Karthak]

For someone trying to save mutant-kind Summers sure is getting a lot of mutants killed.

[passenger]

For someone trying to save mutant-kind Summers sure is getting a lot of mutants killed.

I agree,and if someone less bloodthirsty manages to solve M-Day,all this "hardcore" attitude will blow on his face very badly.

[Scavenger]

THREE OUT OF FIVE STARS?!

What is this BENJAMIN BUTTON'S SHIT!!!!1!? (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=829)

....
Or not. But that's just because I'm lazy like most American youths, and not because I wouldn't consider it.

BUT THIS REVIEW!!!!!!!! Burn it.

Sigh...do I really have to agree with Novaya Havoc? ok, fine.

Doug Zawisza is the absolute worst reviewer CBR has. If you read his reviews, it becomes clear that half the time he hasn't actually read the book, or understood anything that's in it. (His poor reading comprehension skills came to my attention when he reviewed an issue of Titans complaining about Nightwing being out of character, which was the whole point of the story, and was mentioned by the other characters every other page).

He complains about Wolverine back sliding after getting over being a killer. What Wolverine has he been reading lately? Whedon's "I like beer" Killer McStabby? Bendis' nuanced I stab everyone and speak like Aaron Sorkin wrote me version? Ellis stab stab and have sex with nazi sex midgets one?*

He finds it odd that the second part of an ongoing story is a prologue to the crossover? Does he not understand how the comic industry works that one story leads into another? Or does he not get the dramatic pacing of the story, that the crossover actually intrudes on the action of the regular story, which is a source of tension in the book?

I don't care if he likes the book or not. Valid arguments can be made for it's direction and execution. But Zawisza avoids that, because he might actually have to take some time to read the books he's "reviewing".


*I'm not reading Astonishing, so I don't know if Ellis has brought in the nazi sex midgets yet..but he really likes having them in his books, so if not, it's just a matter of time.

[Scavenger]

Hmmm... I guess that makes sense. Where's Forge when you need him?

Forge? Hell, where's the phone book with Reed Richard's # in it.
Where are the lighting bolts of Akron to cross dimensions and steal Doc Brown's Delorean? Where's calling up Pete Wisdom to see if he can talk to Cornell about borrowing the TARDIS?

There are a lot of better options than using time buttons built by a failed bio-chemist.

[DeadXMan]

and a song for the passing of Meltdown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOyj4ciJk34

[Mitsaso]

Great drama on this one, but I'm disappointed that Kyle and Yost chose to dispose of Tabby so cheaply. It could have been anyone else in her place, maybe some D-lister like Fever Pitch and Beautiful Dreamer, hell, they could have even used Lois London killing a field full of hobos in a dramatic explosion!

But they had to off Boom Boom and destroy any chances of a sequel to Nextwave! :evilangry:

The second I saw Hellion, Surge and Boom Boom as hostages I was sure that their two favorite students would live to see another day and the mutant they "borrowed" would get the shaft. :biggrin:

Also, the part where they were about to get teleported and Logan, instead of just slicing Leper Queen yelled to Dom to do it instead stroke me as weird. He could have sliced the Queen and saved Boom Boom in the second it took him to yell! :evilangry:


This book is one of the funnest in Marvel right now, but I predict it will be soon cancelled, because Kyle and Yost will soon run out of mutants to kill! :tongue: There are supposed to only be 200 of them!!!

[DeadXMan]

Great drama on this one, but I'm disappointed that Kyle and Yost chose to dispose of Tabby so cheaply. It could have been anyone else in her place, maybe some D-lister like Fever Pitch and Beautiful Dreamer, hell, they could have even used Lois London killing a field full of hobos in a dramatic explosion!

But they had to off Boom Boom and destroy any chances of a sequel to Nextwave! :evilangry:

The second I saw Hellion, Surge and Boom Boom as hostages I was sure that their two favorite students would live to see another day and the mutant they "borrowed" would get the shaft. :biggrin:

Also, the part where they were about to get teleported and Logan, instead of just slicing Leper Queen yelled to Dom to do it instead stroke me as weird. He could have sliced the Queen and saved Boom Boom in the second it took him to yell! :evilangry:


This book is one of the funnest in Marvel right now, but I predict it will be soon cancelled, because Kyle and Yost will soon run out of mutants to kill! :tongue: There are supposed to only be 200 of them!!!

Logan was phasing through time so he couldn't stab her

now a bullet could of broken through the temporal filed and kill her..

but they ran out of time

and meltdown is dead

and it Scott's fault.

[Maestro]

Scott Summers is a jerk. I wish Jean was alive only so she could see him now and give him a good SLAP. And then go back to being dead again.

[DeadXMan]

Scott Summers is a jerk. I wish Jean was alive only so she could see him now and give him a good SLAP. And then go back to being dead again.

no, Scott has gone beyond jerk status when he left Maddie and Baby Nathan.

He is in pure douche territory

[timbox]

A lot of you are complaining about all the pointless deaths and how Kyle and Yost are simply choosing random mutants to kill off. Your argument loses some power when your next sentence recommends some other mutant to kill, or who deserved to die more, or whose death would have been better.

If you’re upset that Boom Boom got killed, that’s fine, but don’t try to paint it as bad storytelling when you would have been perfectly happy with Surge or some no-name D-Lister to die instead.

It has already been mentioned several times in this thread of how Boom Boom’s significance affects this team, and why using her made sense. Nobody had a problem with the crazy randomness of Boom Boom appearing on the cover for issue #9.

[DeadXMan]

Her name was Tabitha Smith. Her name was Tabitha Smith. Her name was Tabitha Smith. Her name was Tabitha Smith. Her name was Tabitha Smith. Her name was Tabitha Smith.

civil war X begins

[Home made ectoplasm]

A lot of you are complaining about all the pointless deaths and how Kyle and Yost are simply choosing random mutants to kill off. Your argument loses some power when your next sentence recommends some other mutant to kill, or who deserved to die more, or whose death would have been better.

If you’re upset that Boom Boom got killed, that’s fine, but don’t try to paint it as bad storytelling when you would have been perfectly happy with Surge or some no-name D-Lister to die instead.

It has already been mentioned several times in this thread of how Boom Boom’s significance affects this team, and why using her made sense. Nobody had a problem with the crazy randomness of Boom Boom appearing on the cover for issue #9.

Nicely put, timbox.

[RickyD410]

AAAAAAAHHHHH!!! Just got my issue. This was SUCH A GOOD one. The tension, the drama, the desperation. It was so powerful. I felt so distraught hoping X-Force would save them before the crossover.

Cyclops is SUCH A DICK. I kind of hate him. I get where he's coming from (entire species kinda trumps 3 X-characters) but I still hate him a little bit.

And I'm hurt for Boom Boom. I didnt think she'd die. I thought she'd be fine. I really didnt think she'd go. Damnit. She was so much fun.

I'm just praying that Hellion and Surge will make it when the team gets back to the present. I can't wait to see what Wolverine does to Cyke when they return.

Question: How will they bring Cable and Hope back with them? If Cyke only gave them 7 devices, and all 7 of them went to the future?

Also, does Wolfsbane really have any point to this book now? She should go back to X-Factor if she's not gona be useful here.

My hope: The devices return them to the present 33.2 hours after they jump. Well I'm hoping it takes them back to the exact time they left. So they will be there to stop Leper Queen and save Boom Boom!

[AN0LE]

A lot of you are complaining about all the pointless deaths and how Kyle and Yost are simply choosing random mutants to kill off. Your argument loses some power when your next sentence recommends some other mutant to kill, or who deserved to die more, or whose death would have been better.

If you’re upset that Boom Boom got killed, that’s fine, but don’t try to paint it as bad storytelling when you would have been perfectly happy with Surge or some no-name D-Lister to die instead.

It has already been mentioned several times in this thread of how Boom Boom’s significance affects this team, and why using her made sense. Nobody had a problem with the crazy randomness of Boom Boom appearing on the cover for issue #9.

The fact is, clearly, Boom Boom's death is not as "pointless" and "lame" as a lot of readers are saying... this is evident in that fact that they are so upset about it. The fact that the writers chose Boom Boom to dispatch this time around is to fuel the angst and drama of the entire storyline. Another D-Lister's death would not have effected readers or the X-Force team like the death of someone that we/they have known for such a long time.

[Shyft]

When Domino says "why dont you fly up there and check it out" and Warpath replies "Shut up", does that mean that Warpath can fly but doesnt like to, or can no longer fly? Ive always been a bit confused about that aspect of his powers.

[Trississ]

A lot of you are complaining about all the pointless deaths and how Kyle and Yost are simply choosing random mutants to kill off. Your argument loses some power when your next sentence recommends some other mutant to kill, or who deserved to die more, or whose death would have been better.

If you’re upset that Boom Boom got killed, that’s fine, but don’t try to paint it as bad storytelling when you would have been perfectly happy with Surge or some no-name D-Lister to die instead.

It has already been mentioned several times in this thread of how Boom Boom’s significance affects this team, and why using her made sense. Nobody had a problem with the crazy randomness of Boom Boom appearing on the cover for issue #9.

Well said.

And people should not be so quick to assume she is dead. You have to let these crazy time travel stories play themselves out before you count who's left standing.

[Trississ]

When Domino says "why dont you fly up there and check it out" and Warpath replies "Shut up", does that mean that Warpath can fly but doesnt like to, or can no longer fly? Ive always been a bit confused about that aspect of his powers.

This is off topic as it refers to the Messiah War Prologue preview. The question does not yet have an answer, hopefully we'll find out next week.

[DeadXMan]

well he could fly in the old x-force when they desided to wear all black leather before New x-men ever came out

now it's is he can leap

[RickyD410]

I've decided to stop hating Cyclops. I just severely dislike him. He may have left Boom Boom for dead, but he did tell Logan that he would take care of Surge and Hellion. He said he'd send some other people after them. And he did wait until Leper Queen said where they were before he sent X-Force to the future. So at least the X-Men can save them now.

And if they don't, THEN I'll go back to hating Cyke.

[Trississ]

If any of these three die, it really is Cyclops's fault. I don't see how it isn't. He sent X-Force to rescue them knowing he might need to cut the mission off at any moment. Why couldn't he send another team of X-Men? He's afraid people will find out about his dirty, murderous secret. Why does sending another team to rescue them mean his secret is exposed? He could have claimed ignorance at the knowledge of the Leper Queen's involvement.
It was a bad play on his part. Yeah, I realize it's a hard decision, but I'm beginning to wonder how objective Scott is on the subject of Cable and the baby. Sacrificing three mutants in the present for the possibility that one in the future might be something special and might need help??? From the solicits, Cable is not happy about X-Force finding him. How much worse are those three deaths if Scott beams X-Force to the future just to fuck up Cable's plans too?

[Shyft]

If any of these three die, it really is Cyclops's fault. I don't see how it isn't. He sent X-Force to rescue them knowing he might need to cut the mission off at any moment. Why couldn't he send another team of X-Men? He's afraid people will find out about his dirty, murderous secret. Why does sending another team to rescue them mean his secret is exposed? He could have claimed ignorance at the knowledge of the Leper Queen's involvement.
It was a bad play on his part. Yeah, I realize it's a hard decision, but I'm beginning to wonder how objective Scott is on the subject of Cable and the baby. Sacrificing three mutants in the present for the possibility that one in the future might be something special and might need help??? From the solicits, Cable is not happy about X-Force finding him. How much worse are those three deaths if Scott beams X-Force to the future just to fuck up Cable's plans too?

But its a bit more than might, its 50/50. Either she will save or destroy the mutant race. Cyclops believes she will save it. Therefore, in the long run, that baby is really worth any amount of deaths.

And sorry about the Warpath off-topic, got my X-Force threads confused.

[podmark]

My hope: The devices return them to the present 33.2 hours after they jump. Well I'm hoping it takes them back to the exact time they left. So they will be there to stop Leper Queen and save Boom Boom!

I thought about that but if that was true then the team should have been right back there immediately after leaving, before she was shot. We know that X-Force has to find Cable geographically so chances are when X-Force comes back - even if it's to the exact moment - it won't be the same location. My guess is they might return at the UN building, which is shown in the prologue.

[DeadXMan]

leper queen woke up this morning
and shot Boom boom above the eye
heard her say Thought X-force was the chosen one.

[timbox]

It’s Beast’s technology, they’ll be lucky if they survive the initial jump. They will have to find a real scientist in the future if they ever want to get home.

[Charlotte DeBlr]

It’s Beast’s technology, they’ll be lucky if they survive the initial jump. They will have to find a real scientist in the future if they ever want to get home.

Agree. Time machine built by character whose speciality is biology and genetics=lol. At least Astonishing X-Men got it right- Beast isn't jack of all trades there, for generic uber tech stuff is Forge's domain.

[Trississ]

But its a bit more than might, its 50/50. Either she will save or destroy the mutant race. Cyclops believes she will save it. Therefore, in the long run, that baby is really worth any amount of deaths.

And sorry about the Warpath off-topic, got my X-Force threads confused.

According to Cable and Bishop it's save or destroy. They are from 2 different times in two different timelines. There is no evidence that one of them must be correct. Sure, we, as the readers, are led to believe that given the amount of attention she's received, but there is no evidence that those are the only two options.

The X-Men need to consult Sage.

[prince_nightcrawler]

When I saw Tabby die, all I could think was 'oh, that's sad', then I thought 'omg I'm glad it's not Jubilee, omg I'm glad it's not Jubilee, omg I'm glad it's not Jubilee...'

[RickyD410]

I thought about that but if that was true then the team should have been right back there immediately after leaving, before she was shot. We know that X-Force has to find Cable geographically so chances are when X-Force comes back - even if it's to the exact moment - it won't be the same location. My guess is they might return at the UN building, which is shown in the prologue.

I had that thought too, about the fact that they did not return before Leper Queen shot her. But then again, Time Travel.... kinda just does its own thing sometimes, ya know? It rarely makes sense.

But I didnt think of the location thing. So youre probably right about that one.

[jarrod]

I think Tab's gone for good honestly. Sucks, but it made for a great moment and sets up some good conflicts down the road.

If tracking Cable through timestream's so all encompassingly important, Scott should've contacted Rachel. She can track Nate like no other and knows the timestream like the back of her talon... and even in her "Grey" persona she tends to fumble less than Beast.

[darknessatnoon]

According to Cable and Bishop it's save or destroy. They are from 2 different times in two different timelines. There is no evidence that one of them must be correct. Sure, we, as the readers, are led to believe that given the amount of attention she's received, but there is no evidence that those are the only two options.

The X-Men need to consult Sage.

I really think that Sage could solve a lot of these difficulties. And that's her purpose. She's there to solve problems. Many people say "deus ex machina," but I say learn another Latin phrase.

[Deus ex Chris]

This was a fantastic issue. I just can't help but wonder what this means for the future of Nextwave. There will be a void.

[Shyft]

This was a fantastic issue. I just can't help but wonder what this means for the future of Nextwave. There will be a void.

The could clone her, or say the one killed was a clone. Seeing as how Nextwave kinda plays fast and loose with continuity, i dont see this as being a massive problem if they REALLY want Boom Boom back.

[jarrod]

This was a fantastic issue. I just can't help but wonder what this means for the future of Nextwave. There will be a void.
They could use that cheap Boom Boom stand in, The Dazzler.

[Prodigy55]

Guys! Boom Boom will come back as a TO zombie.

[Deus ex Chris]

The could clone her, or say the one killed was a clone. Seeing as how Nextwave kinda plays fast and loose with continuity, i dont see this as being a massive problem if they REALLY want Boom Boom back.

I don't see why it should be a problem at all, but I know continuity remains an issue for some.

[Alexx1]

I don't know another book by any company generating 31 pages of discussion. Yost and Kyle must be doing something right with this book.

[Majinoaw]

Heel Persona:
X-Force is what Uncanny should be. These guys need to be on Uncanny.
See even I can be a mark at times. No one is immune....

[DarkCrisis]

I'm only ticked cause this screws with Nextwave.

[Seres]

Heel Persona:
X-Force is what Uncanny should be. These guys need to be on Uncanny.
See even I can be a mark at times. No one is immune....

I never have any idea what you are talking about. Define the following words for me:

1: Mark
2: Heel
3: Tweener
4: Persona

[Jay Dogg]

I never have any idea what you are talking about. Define the following words for me:

1: Mark
2: Heel
3: Tweener
4: Persona

They're wrestling terms. Mark is pretty much the same as what people would consider a Comic Fanboy, Heel is the bad guy, and Tweener is in between good and bad.

[Pixie_Solanas]

They're wrestling terms. Mark is pretty much the same as what people would consider a Comic Fanboy, Heel is the bad guy, and Tweener is in between good and bad.

Oh christ, this just makes it worse. I thought he came up with these terms.

Wresslin?

[Seres]

They're wrestling terms. Mark is pretty much the same as what people would consider a Comic Fanboy, Heel is the bad guy, and Tweener is in between good and bad.

And he cycles through these personas?
And he has to tell us which of them he is, because they are ill-defined?

I am taking stock of this "maoam" character. He may need lessons in multiple-personality management.

[SayOcean]

Im going to be just a tad upset if surge and hellion make it out and tabby didnt...Im def not a boom boom fan I liked Meltdown more but damn this sucks.... i mean we were just getting some of our first generation Xkids back and shes gonna be gone.....

If i were the New Mutants Id be pissed and wouldnt go anywhere near the xmen anymore. I wonder if they are gonna show Warpath or Domino's reaction...... they are so concerned with the lame xbrats getting their equally lame friends safe i doubt it

Boom Boom is friends with the Beyonder.....THE beyonder...what have surge and hellion done lately

[Jeremi]

I'm only ticked cause this screws with Nextwave.

Leper Queen better say her prayers before the Captain comes a knocking.

[timbox]

Anyone have a scan of the last page?

[Jay Dogg]

If i were the New Mutants Id be pissed and wouldnt go anywhere near the xmen anymore. I wonder if they are gonna show Warpath or Domino's reaction...... they are so concerned with the lame xbrats getting their equally lame friends safe i doubt it


I'm think that might be used as a way to launch the new New Mutants series that's coming. I kept saying to myself how would they become a team again, and then that part in X-Force happened.

[Seres]

Anyone have a scan of the last page?

Anyone who does this will be reported to Peter David. Don't make me do it, timbox.

EDIT: And Josef F will also be informed.

[Prodigy55]

OMG, Peter David will shut down CBR, don't post it.

[Mundungus]

The Messiah storyline will probably end with Cyclops' hopes coming to fruition in the middle of the Human-Mutant War (in whatever form it'll take) where he'll see his tough decisions payoff but will subsequently be blown up (or something).

[timbox]

Anyone who does this will be reported to Peter David. Don't make me do it, timbox.

EDIT: And Josef F will also be informed.

You cannot deny the horrific beauty of it.

[darknessatnoon]

I'm think that might be used as a way to launch the new New Mutants series that's coming. I kept saying to myself how would they become a team again, and then that part in X-Force happened.

It has nothing to do with New Mutants.

[Seres]

You cannot deny the horrific beauty of it.

You underestimate me.

[insidemyhead]

So Beast told Scott that they could stay in the future for 32.5 hours, but Scott told the team that they have 33.2 hours.

Significant? Or poor editing/continuity?

[timbox]

You underestimate me.

Don’t think I didn’t notice the significance of the milk bottle in your scan of Pixie’s breasts. Freak.

[timbox]

So Beast told Scott that they could stay in the future for 32.5 hours, but Scott told the team that they have 33.2 hours.

Significant? Or poor editing/continuity?

Cyclops doesn't trust Beast's devices either.

[RickyD410]

So Beast told Scott that they could stay in the future for 32.5 hours, but Scott told the team that they have 33.2 hours.

Significant? Or poor editing/continuity?

I also noticed that. No prize answer: Beast quickly tweaked something that gave them just a little bit longer, and that was good enough for Cyke.

[Jay Dogg]

It has nothing to do with New Mutants.

I said "I think"...and she was a New Mutant, right? Not an original, but she was there, and with Cannonball. Maybe they'll leave because of that. I never said that it would be like that.

[Seres]

Don’t think I didn’t notice the significance of the milk bottle in your scan of Pixie’s breasts. Freak.

Matt Fraction is my instrument.

[darknessatnoon]

I said "I think"...and she was a New Mutant, right? Not an original, but she was there, and with Cannonball. Maybe they'll leave because of that. I never said that it would be like that.

No. Just no.

[SayOcean]

No. Just no.
it would sense that maybe jimmy would tell his friends what happened. Remember when the xmen talked to each other and didnt hang out with random ass people just beacause *cough* Emma and piotr *cough*

[darknessatnoon]

it would sense that maybe jimmy would tell his friends what happened. Remember when the xmen talked to each other and didnt hang out with random ass people just beacause *cough* Emma and piotr *cough*

Right. Warpath is a real motormouth.

[FemGeek]

Ah, finally got my issue and finished reading this long-ass thread. That was a GREAT issue, but now I'm gonna be left hanging while we wait out Messiah War. The art was fabulous, Leper Queen looks like burnt toast. and not just burnt toast, but burnt toast that you still wanna eat so you scrape of the really burnt parts to get at the safe mangled bits within. Laura's choice of lipstick is interesting. Emulating Domino now?
As for the story...wow. Didnt see the other two grabs coming, i was all ready for julian to die at the end of this issue. Though I will not miss Tabby. I do find Cyke to be a massive ass, that was way uncool pulling them out at such an important moment. I get the worry about the future of mutant kind, but maybe he should pay attention to the present of mutant kind. All in all, an excellent read.
EXCEPT, what is the deal with Wolfsbane? Is there a reason for her to be on this team aside from being an archangel plot-device?? From what I've seen of her in XForce so far, she would do way better back in XFactor or in NewMutants. It dosent even look like she'll be in Messiah War. Now I'm stepping up my Rahne fan-ness in support of moar Wolfsbane.

[SayOcean]

Right. Warpath is a real motormouth.
his friend got killed, he already thinks the xmen are shady...would you not tell your friends if you thought they were in danger just to protect some secret xteam

[KrullWall]

I think quite honestly this could be one of my favorite comic issues of ALL TIME! Seriously just WOW! I will miss Tabby tho. I do think she will come back at some point in the story tho. Also we better get a follow up on Surge and Hellion. But really I should not even say anything some what negative about this a amazing issue!

[Hi-Fi]

Sam is Tabby's ex-boyfriend. He has to be informed. What, Cyclops is gonna bury her without telling anyone? LOL.

[darknessatnoon]

Sam is Tabby's ex-boyfriend. He has to be informed. What, Cyclops is gonna bury her without telling anyone? LOL.

Rogue tried to kill Mystique at the end of Messiah Complex and left her body sitting to rot in a room without telling anyone. Nice daughter.

[JValentine]

Boom Boom was worthless. I'm glad she's dead.

[passenger]

Rogue tried to kill Mystique at the end of Messiah Complex and left her body sitting to rot in a room without telling anyone. Nice daughter.

Actually,the moment she touched Mystique she found that she was cured of her death touch.All she did was the usual psyche absorbing thing,which was temporary.So she knew Mystique was left alive and well.

[Omega Alpha]

If any of these three die, it really is Cyclops's fault. I don't see how it isn't.

Since it's Bastion and the Leper Queen killing these people, I don't see how it isn't really THEIR fault. Though Scott still has his share of the blame, he didn't kill Tabitha, the Leper Queen did it.

The Messiah storyline will probably end with Cyclops' hopes coming to fruition in the middle of the Human-Mutant War (in whatever form it'll take) where he'll see his tough decisions payoff but will subsequently be blown up (or something).

Yes, probably. I'm thinking mutantkind gets repowered to at least several thousands, but Hope ends up killing millions of people. Probably in SF, and because of Bastion injecting her with the Legacy virus.

[SayOcean]

Rogue tried to kill Mystique at the end of Messiah Complex and left her body sitting to rot in a room without telling anyone. Nice daughter.
but who wouldve cared that Mystique was dead???? Im sure Rictor or Siryn maybe skids would be a lil pissed about boom boom dying

[darknessatnoon]

Actually,the moment she touched Mystique she found that she was cured of her death touch.All she did was the usual psyche absorbing thing,which was temporary.So she knew Mystique was left alive and well.

Oh, so she only meant to kill her mom?

[AcesX1X]

cyclops is a cold snake.

tabitha is like his daughter. he rescued her from that streetwalking lifestyle so long ago. and this? to see him do this is disgusting and vile.

you can say it was leper queen who pulled the trigger. THANKS. anyone with a pair of working eyes can figure that out.

you can say he had a tough choice. there is a ginger in the future to save, after all. but, everyone knows that gingers are inherently evil. even the good ones go psycho from time to time.

but, it doesn't matter. cyclops knew what was going on. he knew who was kidnapped, and it's not like he didn't know what was happening with x-force or what they were seeing. he had a direct link to them the whole time. he knew that if he pushed the button, then boom boom would get shot in the head.

i am fine with this. i think it's amazing character development for the man.

but do not pretend that he did not murder boom boom. because, he did. the leper queen just happened to be his weapon.

[passenger]

Oh, so she only meant to kill her mom?

Her "mom" screwed with her "daughter " so many times,and killed some people close to her,Rogue could take only so much.Exposing an infant to a comatose Rogue's death touch was the last straw.I do not agree with Rogue's reaction,but Mystique deserves death many times over by now.

[Jay Dogg]

No. Just no.

Yeah okay whatever lol...just a thought.

[darknessatnoon]

Her "mom" screwed with her "daughter " so many times,and killed some people close to her,Rogue could take only so much.Exposing an infant to a comatose Rogue's death touch was the last straw.I do not agree with Rogue's reaction,but Mystique deserves death many times over by now.

Right. Because Mystique only saved the Mutant Race by preventing Sinister from dissecting Hope. What a lunatic she is.

[Hi-Fi]

Rogue tried to kill Mystique at the end of Messiah Complex and left her body sitting to rot in a room without telling anyone. Nice daughter.
I wonder if anyone care about whatever happened to Sage. Is she dead, is she MIA? No one seems to give a damn. Not that I blame them or anything.

[Omega Alpha]

cyclops is a cold snake.

tabitha is like his daughter. he rescued her from that streetwalking lifestyle so long ago. and this? to see him do this is disgusting and vile.

you can say it was leper queen who pulled the trigger. THANKS. anyone with a pair of working eyes can figure that out.

you can say he had a tough choice. there is a ginger in the future to save, after all. but, everyone knows that gingers are inherently evil. even the good ones go psycho from time to time.

but, it doesn't matter. cyclops knew what was going on. he knew who was kidnapped, and it's not like he didn't know what was happening with x-force or what they were seeing. he had a direct link to them the whole time. he knew that if he pushed the button, then boom boom would get shot in the head.

i am fine with this. i think it's amazing character development for the man.

but do not pretend that he did not murder boom boom. because, he did. the leper queen just happened to be his weapon.

That would imply that:

1) Cyclops wanted to kill her, or didn't care if she died.

2) Cyclops was associated with the Leper Queen in some way.

When what happened was exactly the opposite.

[AcesX1X]

What a lunatic she is.

excellent point, darknessatnoon. here is another case of a psychotic ginger.

That would imply that:

1) Cyclops wanted to kill her, or didn't care if she died.

2) Cyclops was associated with the Leper Queen in some way.

When what happened was exactly the opposite.

1. obviously, he did not care if she died, and he said as much when he told wolverine that "cable takes priority."

2. cyclops' DIRECT ASSOCIATION to the leper queen happened when he pushed his finger against that button, overriding the better judgment of everyone else involved. he knew what the consequence would be, and he did it anyway. that time-button was just an extension of the leper queen's trigger.

to believe otherwise is complete idiocy.

[darknessatnoon]

I wonder if anyone care about whatever happened to Sage. Is she dead, is she MIA? No one seems to give a damn. Not that I blame them or anything.

I hope Danger steps on Rogue.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just picked the issue and... wow.

God I wish Wolfsbane wasn't in this book. I'd take Boom Boom over her any day and I don't even like Blondie.

Oh, and yeah, Cyke totally left Boom Boom to die. Still, I just don't quite get what's the controversy. It all comes down to 'justification through victory'. folks. It's hardly novelty in the x-verse. Hell, the x-brats got off on disobeyind Chuck/Cyke for years and used it as a 'get out of jail for free' card. If memory serves correctly, you folks were cheering Bobby on not so long ago and calling Cyke a dick for being mean to the kids in MC. Also, it's as if an A-lister tried to murder Cyke twice in the span of 4 issues recently or anything. Somewhat of a funny double standard.

What's new, though, is that it hardly matters whether the decisions are good or bad; people die anyway. And yes, that's one hell of a departure from the average Nonsensical Dreamland that is a superhero comic book.

[Hi-Fi]

That would imply that:

1) Cyclops wanted to kill her, or didn't care if she died.

2) Cyclops was associated with the Leper Queen in some way.

When what happened was exactly the opposite.
He didn't care enough.

[Hi-Fi]

Oh, and yeah, Cyke totally left Boom Boom to die. Still, I just don't quite get what's the controversy. It all comes down to 'justification through victory'. folks. It's hardly novelty in the x-verse.
I *GASP* agree with that. I think this is a fantastic character arc for Cyke and I think he's really testing his ethic boundaries and that makes for a fantastic read.

But to say he didn't let Boom Boom die is just ridiculous. It's right there in the book.

[passenger]

Right. Because Mystique only saved the Mutant Race by preventing Sinister from dissecting Hope. What a lunatic she is.

Mystique only cared to save Rogue at the time at the expense of the baby.Hope could have died for all she cared,as long as Rogue got cured.

And mutants would not be doomed by Hope's potential death,tragic as it would be.Her being born proved that mutants can still be born.That fact would remain regardless of what might happen to her in the end.

[JValentine]

He didn't care enough.

Or just maybe other matters were more important.

[Majinoaw]

Ultmate OAW Persona:
Such interesting discussion with slices of sarcasm and debauchery. A quick question to ponder...how long will this X-Force title last in its incarnation? Does anyone think the title could possibly end after third act of the Messiah trilogy?

[Nevets F]

cyclops is a cold snake.

tabitha is like his daughter. he rescued her from that streetwalking lifestyle so long ago. and this? to see him do this is disgusting and vile.

you can say it was leper queen who pulled the trigger. THANKS. anyone with a pair of working eyes can figure that out.

you can say he had a tough choice. there is a ginger in the future to save, after all. but, everyone knows that gingers are inherently evil. even the good ones go psycho from time to time.

but, it doesn't matter. cyclops knew what was going on. he knew who was kidnapped, and it's not like he didn't know what was happening with x-force or what they were seeing. he had a direct link to them the whole time. he knew that if he pushed the button, then boom boom would get shot in the head.

i am fine with this. i think it's amazing character development for the man.

but do not pretend that he did not murder boom boom. because, he did. the leper queen just happened to be his weapon.

I couldn't have said my thoughts on this development better Aces. Good job.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I *GASP* agree with that. I think this is a fantastic character arc for Cyke and I think he's really testing his ethic boundaries and that makes for a fantastic read.

But to say he didn't let Boom Boom die is just ridiculous. It's right there in the book.

'Never Mind'.

That quote alone pretty much settles it. :eek:

[OK-Deimos]

- Quick, we need to make a story seem really important and to give it a lot of "weight"!
- I know, let's kill off yet another X-character! That always works!
-*hi5*

Oh how I love X-Farce.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ultmate OAW Persona:
Such interesting discussion with slices of sarcasm and debauchery. A quick question to ponder...how long will this X-Force title last in its incarnation? Does anyone think the title could possibly end after third act of the Messiah trilogy?

Won't they hang out with Cyke full-time once the Cykehunt begins...?

[SurgeFan88]

This book was wonderful. I hope neither Surge or Hellion dies.