UNCANNY X-MEN #507! (¡¡¡ STOP WITH THE X-CLUB !!!) OMGz SPOILERS~!!1

[Novaya Havoc]

To quote a wise prophet: Jesus Saves, I Spend. And when I buy a copy of Uncanny, I realize I should listen a little more to Jesus and quit spending my money on... this. UNCANNY X-MEN MAKES YOU RENEW YOUR FAITH!

I should have expected an issue like this, considering how terrible the previous issue was. It's not like Matt Fraction can (or will) change these terrible stories on a dime, so we're stuck with immense tragedy in this "sensational installment."

The problem with Fraction is that he doesn't seem comfortable writing the X-Men. Everyone -- everyone -- has de-volved into ridiculous cliche in a near-Claremontian fashion. I've read these stories a million times before. More: the characters themselves have been through these stories a million times before." There's no growth, no progression -- nothing besides a modern dialogue and updated backdrop to the same stuff you read in the 1980's. When will the characters move. on. from. this. cycle. of. BORING!?

I guess X-Men: Forever truly is a brilliant concept then, since Uncanny X-Men is basically doing the same thing.

Since we have our rule prohibiting raw, uncut, sizzling hot SPOILERS!!! I can't SPOIL!!! this for you. So here's the Cliff's Notes. Some sensational things to expect:

1. THE ROTATING CAST IN HOT ACTION! If you had doubts about this master-class idea, you are SO going to have foot-in-mouth disease! Yes, my friends, you will see two -- yes TWO -- females on the X-Plantation eating a bowl of cereal as they answer Beast's (whomustdie) question on the whereabouts of CYCLOPS and the WHITE QUEEN! You'll be shocked at which two random chicks Fraction pulled out for this scene-stealing panel!

2. BEAST!!!! Yes, you two BEAST!!! fans! You'll get pages and pages of BEAST!!!! Beast being scientific! Beast being emo with his BFF Angel! Beast saying the X-Club is here to save mutantkind! BEAST BEAST BEAST!

SIDEBAR SPECIAL!: Why is Fraction pushing this X-Club? Their "drama" is over in mere minutes, they bloviate on how awesomely special they are (when they aren't), and it's full of BORING MEN! Is this Fraction's writing wheelhouse? Because if so, he needs to get out of this disgusting cycle.

3. COLOSSUS' SIDE-PLOT ENDS IN A SENSATIONAL WAY! Yes, my friends. This plot closes "full-circle" in the most laughable, redonkulous way ever. What was apparently written to be a real tear-jerker, it's more like a real LMFAOWTFLOL crescendo. And it results in Colossus ruining the only thing he has going for him: his succulent, motorboat-worthy moobs. Now they're ruined. Now Colossus is fully irredeemable.

4. EMMA FROST'S MADONNA/WHORE! Yes! You get a MomJeans-styled Emma, and also the EEEEVILWHITEQUEEN Emma, just pages apart! Who is Emma Frost? Apparently Fraction doesn't know any more, because as the only woman in this title, she's has to represent the vast array of female character archetypes in comics: the Damsel and the Bitch! Joy!

ALSO!

One character's shameful secret... is revealed! This may change the group dynamic... possibly forever! And an ending so shocking!!!! you could NEVAR HAVE PREDICTED IT!!!!!!!!!1 Except, you know, if you've ever read >10 X-Men comics in your lifetime.

One good scene -- one -- is in this book. One. And it involves Cyclops. And it's a half a page.

Fraction sure knows how to put the F in Fun. And that's exactly how I would grade this issue:

F

Sorry, Dodson.

[rojash]

I'll be sure to be this excited when I read it in three weeks when Marvel decides to send me my subscription copy.

[darknessatnoon]

What kind of cereal does Pixie eat?

[Optic Rage!]

Oh dear.

The sooner Uncanny get's to this crossover the better. And when you consider the implications of wanting this book to be involved in a crossover...well that's not good.

X-Force on the other hand was fucking brilliant. How long until Y&K are on both books?

[Seres]

I agree. Dazzler should have been the main character for this story.

[Leirus]

Oh, so Pixie and Dazzler are eating cereal together?

Or was it Karma and Pixie?

Dazzler´s return to the spotlight has been really impresive.

[Optic Rage!]

I agree. Dazzler should have been the main character for this story.

Is this sarcasm then?

And it was Pixie & Karma eating cereal

[darknessatnoon]

I agree. Dazzler should have been the main character for this story.

Really, don't be snide about the review. The issue is what deserves the snideness. Try to direct your energies appropriately.

I don't care either way if Dazzler is in this. And I am certainly not interested in having Sage part of the mess. But he's right to review it as crap if it is crap - and from what I saw of the previews, it's absolutely ridiculous. Even Emma Frost fans are offended by the portrayal of Emma. And if I were a Colossus fan, I'd rather see my favorite character dead then see him as this pathetic.

And was there ever really any suspense about Godzilla and how he would be stopped? Beast shoulderbutts Angel. Dramatic! This is the ethical split we've all been waiting for!

[AcesX1X]

did beast bring back enough crab for everyone?

[Falconen]

Would it be possible for someone, with a more neutral outlook, to do a review?

[darknessatnoon]

Would it be possible for someone, with a more neutral outlook, to do a review?

We're waiting for Kiplingkat to show up.

[Seres]

Really, don't be snide about the review. The issue is what deserves the snideness. Try to direct your energies appropriately.

I don't care either way if Dazzler is in this. And I am certainly not interested in having Sage part of the mess. But he's right to review it as crap if it is crap - and from what I saw of the previews, it's absolutely ridiculous. Even Emma Frost fans are offended by the portrayal of Emma. And if I were a Colossus fan, I'd rather see my favorite character dead then see him as this pathetic.

And was there ever really any suspense about Godzilla and how he would be stopped? Beast shoulderbutts Angel. Dramatic! This is the ethical split we've all been waiting for!

Those previews definitely made it look as if there was more story to be told!

[worstblogever]

did beast bring back enough crab for everyone?

Well Emma already gave Cyclops cr-


You know what, too easy. But good setup. :wink:

[MartinRedmond]

Congratulations, you have become Matt Faction's #1 fan.

[darknessatnoon]

Those previews definitely made it look as if there was more story to be told!

Angel orally copulates the monster to death. THE END.

Oh, Magneto is hooked up to a giant battery a la Dark Seduction.

Put your shirt back on, Erik.

EDITED BECAUSE I WILL NOT USE SPOILER TAGS IN A SPOILER THREAD

[Optic Rage!]

Well Emma already gave Cyclops cr-


You know what, too easy. But good setup. :wink:

Also, it's not funny

[Pro]

Ah pff .....

Glad I stopped buying this shit months ago.

[CyclopsFan6894]

The Beast and Angel confrontation was extremely weak. Maybe I misread the interviews but to me this was sold as a come-to-Jesus meeting for Angel and Beast over the stuff going down in X-Force. I loved Warren's reveal and thought it was perfect timing to do so, I just hated the aftermath of it.

The scene with Cyclops and the Mayor really was the one strong point in this issue and like the OP said, it was half a page.

The cereal scene, agree or not with the OP one Fraction's stance towards women, this scene does nothing but reinforce his point. The OP makes a wonderful point about Emma Frost being used to touch every type of female characterization. She's Peter's friend, she mindwipe's Shaw...which is it? I understand the need for complex characters but this boards on MPS.

Also I have an issue with the last two pages. You set up this Science team, this team Beast is using to try and fix M-Day then, then one the last two pages of their opening arc you introduce Magneto and the High Evolutionary and a machine that does what? Gives Magneto his powers back? So now what is the point of this Science team? We know that Magneto is going to come back into the fold now in some manner, they clearly have the means to repower mutants now, so again, why introduce this science team, which I initially liked and then go to show that whatever they do has already been done? It completely invalidates this team.

I hope the Sisterhood Arc is better.

[worstblogever]

Would it be possible for someone, with a more neutral outlook, to do a review?

Anyone with an issue can do a counter-point, if they choose, to the original poster's review. But, Godzilla-esque monster whilst Pixie eats cereal (reminds me of the Annual where Rachel Summers ate a hamburger for two pages), Colossus beats up a glorified mutant pimp, and the latest drab episode of Emma & Cyclops get their personalities fleshed out (I think we know 'em by now) while they do little of import... well... I'm not gonna try and defend it. At best, it's a C-. And that's just for the setup of things to come. By that, I mean Magneto's first appearance in six months, with his intentions being a looming threat on the horizon. So yeah, C-. At best. Call Perry Mason, or something, if you want it defended more.

[Twisted Bliss]

So when are Marvel holding the wake.

I mean this was the title that launched the X-franchise and now...now its lucky to raise a laugh.

Its pitiful and oh so so sad to the greats reduced to this.

[david r]

Can we get Peter David on this title soon?

[MartinRedmond]

Angel's troath must be rough.

[darknessatnoon]

Can we get Peter David on this title soon?

He would certainly triple the sales.

[darknessatnoon]

I will concede that I like the Japanese scientist guy. "We are all but ghosts now."

He is the epitome of Mono No Aware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_no_aware), the Japanese literary tradition of sadness at things passing. Ah! Fraction is really doing his research on cultural cliches. That said, I like the guy - whatever his name is.

Dr. Nemesis has potential, too. I wish he would use one of his hypodermic needles to put Beast to sleep. I wouldn't mind him taking over the X-Club (that one note Darwin joke that Fraction loves so much).

[david r]

Dr. Nemesis-----the name reminds me of Mr. Sinister. What is Fraction up to?

[darknessatnoon]

Dr. Nemesis-----the name reminds me of Mr. Sinister. What is Fraction up to?

Dr. Nemesis (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/drnemesisga.htm) is an older character than Sinister. But maybe he's actually a 10 year old boy in disguise?! It would be brilliant!

[Agent_Torpor]

I will concede that I like the Japanese scientist guy. "We are all but ghosts now."

He is the epitome of Mono No Aware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_no_aware), the Japanese literary tradition of sadness at things passing. Ah! Fraction is really doing his research on cultural cliches. That said, I like the guy - whatever his name is.

Dr. Nemesis has potential, too. I wish he would use one of his hypodermic needles to put Beast to sleep. I wouldn't mind him taking over the X-Club (that one note Darwin joke that Fraction loves so much).

God bless 'im, he's really browsing up on his hoary culti-cliches.

[Disco Jess Minge]

I thought Dr. Nemesis was Fantomex only with better fashion sense. I thought he was decent in a european of a Rob Liefeld-half assed created character way. Does that make any sense?

Fraction is a hack anyway. I didn't like The Order. The Uncanny Annual was okay but I really enjoyed Bru's run. I wish he'd come back or get C&C on the title. (Never happen because they have too much on their plate and Marvel doesn't have the common sense to listen to their fans when they're right.)

[NewMutant]

This run is still not as bad as Chuck Austens run. Or Claremonts run when he first returned with The Neo, etc.

[darknessatnoon]

This run is still not as bad as Chuck Austens run. Or Claremonts run when he first returned with The Neo, etc.

Chuck Austen was fun! And CC was LOLbad. At least I got to laugh reading his issues to my boyfriend.

[Optic Rage!]

This run is still not as bad as Chuck Austens run. Or Claremonts run when he first returned with The Neo, etc.

No, but then that's hardly something to gloat about.

[Majinoaw]

Heel Persona:
It seems like only a diehard-Fraction-bought and paid for mark would enjoy this issue of Uncanny X-men.

[.LuckyStar.]

He would certainly triple the sales.
LOL

Beast will fail.

[darknessatnoon]

I think being every X-Woman is what is making Emma fat.

Thank God, Land is back next issue and he'll draw women as they're meant to look.

I saw a woman on the bus once who looked like Land drew her. She was stunning!

[Agent_Torpor]

This run is still not as bad as Chuck Austens run. Or Claremonts run when he first returned with The Neo, etc.

Completely disagree. And I largely dislike Austen's run (save for a few Northstar-related points of interest). And Claremont Redux was full of comedy.

Fraction's Uncanny is just boredom to the nth degree

[Leogam]

Marvel should give peter david uncanny, he always gets the secontier books. He would be great on the X-Men & he's got alot of experience telling good stories with good characterization moments

[CyclopsFan6894]

Marvel should give peter david uncanny, he always gets the secontier books. He would be great on the X-Men & he's got alot of experience telling good stories with good characterization moments

Many would disagree with that.

[Leogam]

im not knocking fraction as a writer, im willing to see where he goes

[Agent_Torpor]

Marvel should give peter david uncanny, he always gets the secontier books. He would be great on the X-Men & he's got alot of experience telling good stories with good characterization moments

i'm not the greatest PAD fan, but at this point, i'd take him on Uncanny.

Hell, i'd take Judd Winick at this point (maybe not - but i'd actually THINK about it).

[Jay Dogg]

Hell, i'd take Judd Winick at this point (maybe not - but i'd actually THINK about it).

He did a good job with The Outsiders and The Exiles, so who knows.

[darknessatnoon]

He did a good job with The Outsiders and The Exiles, so who knows.

I think Winnick on this book would be fun.

[DeniseXfrost]

Can you a picture of your boyfriend Dark?

:D

....yes this is more interesting that shit that is UXM.

[JValentine]

This is a pathetic series at present.

[darknessatnoon]

Can you a picture of your boyfriend Dark?

:D

....yes this is more interesting that shit that is UXM.

He looked like this:

http://surbrook.devermore.net/adaptationsmovie/jason_bourne.jpg

[rojash]

I'd love to see Joe Kelly back on an X-Book. His run is still great to read even 10+ years later.

[Chief Jon]

I know this was probably at least started as a hate thread, and I'm not reading it too closely yet (I actually don't want spoilers for once), but I gotta' say I really love the X-Club. Especially Dr. Nemesis. The Open-cast/no-set-team roster piece too. It somehow seems a lot more real to me in the present context of both the series and the larger Marvel Universe.

[Majinoaw]

Heel Persona:
If you're a mark for the X-Club then no prob Chief Jon. My issue comes from those who pretend that they aren't marks, but secretly are. I've already admitted to being a total mark of X-Force... that book can do no wrong by me.

[DeniseXfrost]

He looked like this:

http://surbrook.devermore.net/adaptationsmovie/jason_bourne.jpg
He's ugly.

[Agent_Torpor]

He's ugly.

Matt Damon has some beefy teats.

[Majinoaw]

Heel Persona:
Matt Damon Marks? really... ahahahahahah!!!!

[darknessatnoon]

He's ugly.

Next time I am about to get laid, I'll check with you first.

[Omega Alpha]

The OP makes a wonderful point about Emma Frost being used to touch every type of female characterization. She's Peter's friend, she mindwipe's Shaw...which is it? I understand the need for complex characters but this boards on MPS.
r.

Uh, I won't be able to read it until tomorrow (and unlike X-force, I'm much more interested in knowing what happened than actually reading and enjoying the story, if you know what I mean), so can someone explain why did Emma mindwiped Shaw? What happened?

[darknessatnoon]

Uh, I won't be able to read it until tomorrow (and unlike X-force, I'm much more interested in knowing what happened than actually reading and enjoying the story, if you know what I mean), so can someone explain why did Emma mindwiped Shaw? What happened?

She hates his guts. He used to treat her like a prostitute. She put him in a power dampening cell and wiped his brain. She made it so that all he can think about is every person who has ever died from a Sentinel, especially the dead in Genosha.

[Omega Alpha]

She hates his guts. He used to treat her like a prostitute. She put him in a power dampening cell and wiped his brain. She made it so that all he can think about is every person who has ever died from a Sentinel, especially the dead in Genosha.

That sounds...meh.

Anyway, I'm hoping that Shaw in a holding cell ends soon, in the inevitable way: he escapes, Namor finds out he's an idiot, and goes to war against the X-men.

I mean, I like Namor, but few things in comics are funnier than him realizing he has been suckered and later getting his ass kicked. :biggrin:

[jester1436]

Can we get Peter David on this title soon?

Marvel should give peter david uncanny, he always gets the secontier books. He would be great on the X-Men & he's got alot of experience telling good stories with good characterization moments

http://i40.tinypic.com/2cru6hy.jpg

[DeniseXfrost]

Next time I am about to get laid, I'll check with you first.
You don't need to...if you can find someone who looks like this

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1729/eddiee.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eddiee.jpg)

[darknessatnoon]

You don't need to...if you can find someone who looks like this

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1729/eddiee.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eddiee.jpg)

http://i40.tinypic.com/2cru6hy.jpg

[DeniseXfrost]

....yeah I prefer someone with olive skin.

[jester1436]

You don't need to...if you can find someone who looks like this

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1729/eddiee.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eddiee.jpg)

He's too busy cheating on his wife with the also married LeAnn Rimes to produce a gay duplicate that then has sex with d@n.

[darknessatnoon]

....yeah I prefer someone with olive skin.

I have olive skin.

[DeniseXfrost]

He's too busy cheating on his wife with the also married LeAnn Rimes to produce a gay duplicate that then has sex with d@n.
I don't blame Lean Rimmes :evilsmile:

[jester1436]

I have olive skin.

Are you trying to seduce Denise?

[Novaya Havoc]

I have olive skin.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[darknessatnoon]

Are you trying to seduce Denise?

I'm holding off for her to get a sex change. Then I will decide.

[DeniseXfrost]

I have olive skin.
The natural one. Not the fake tann.

[eurazn]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2cru6hy.jpg

LOL! Loves it. LOVES.

It summarizes how I feel about the entire issue, really.

[jester1436]

I don't blame Lean Rimmes :evilsmile:

I'm impressed LeAnn is still married to her husband, who is a back up dancer who reeks of the gay.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2410/2435062685_796a831fbe.jpg

[DeniseXfrost]

I'm impressed LeAnn is still married to her husband, who is a back up dancer who reeks of the gay.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2410/2435062685_796a831fbe.jpg
Bitch looks like a tranny there herself.

Edit: He and the bitch who's married to the big fake tits that is Katie price should run away together.

[darknessatnoon]

Bitch looks like a tranny there herself.

That's funny because I was about to cast her as Emma Frost.

[Novaya Havoc]

Can we please get back on topic and discuss Colossus' new HIDEOUSLY FUG tattoo?!

[DeniseXfrost]

That's funny because I was about to cast her as Emma Frost.
There is not a single fierce molecule in her body.

[darknessatnoon]

Can we please get back on topic and discuss Colossus' new HIDEOUSLY FUG tattoo?!

You're just pissed because he didn't get a Dazzler tattoo.

[.LuckyStar.]

Can we please get back on topic and discuss Colossus' new HIDEOUSLY FUG tattoo?!

What does his tattoo look like?
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4408/failbeast.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

You're just pissed because he didn't get a Dazzler tattoo.

False.

The point is that he got a disgustingly cliched tattoo about a disgusting character in the middle of his glistening chesticles, ruining the only thing the character had going for him.

Sad.

[Novaya Havoc]

What does his tattoo look like?
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4408/failbeast.jpg

It is fail.

It's a big heart with "KATYA" in the middle (in Cyrillic). Right in the middle of his chest.

It belongs on some web site that features UGLY TATTOOS.

[lockerogue]

It is fail.

It's a big heart with "KATYA" in the middle (in Cyrillic). Right in the middle of his chest.

It belongs on some web site that features UGLY TATTOOS.

I'm sure Elixir could rid of it.

[MartinRedmond]

False.

The point is that he got a disgustingly cliched tattoo about a disgusting character in the middle of his glistening chesticles, ruining the only thing the character had going for him.

Sad.

Is it a tatoo of Stalin? :confused:

[darknessatnoon]

What does his tattoo look like?
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4408/failbeast.jpg

It looks like this

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/heart-1.gif

except it has Katya written on it. Which means he intends on never getting laid again. Way to move on, Peter.

[MartinRedmond]

You guys have the best collection of clip art ready to use at the right moment. I'm impressed/

[jester1436]

Can we please get back on topic and discuss Colossus' new HIDEOUSLY FUG tattoo?!

http://i43.tinypic.com/ndkd90.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

One of those stars is crooked, jester1436.

[Anna]

She hates his guts. He used to treat her like a prostitute. She put him in a power dampening cell and wiped his brain. She made it so that all he can think about is every person who has ever died from a Sentinel, especially the dead in Genosha. Claudine will save him. :cool:

He's too busy cheating on his wife with the also married LeAnn Rimes to produce a gay duplicate that then has sex with d@n.


Please bring LeAnn and her stud to Celebrity Corner to play with us. :wink: Things are getting a little heavy and we need to lighten up.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=178799

I'd also like a few more spoilers please.

[The Black Guardian]

Can we please get back on topic and discuss Colossus' new HIDEOUSLY FUG tattoo?!
Bah! That was the only good thing in the issue.

♥КАТЯ♥

[Swashbuckler]

Don't shoot me, but I didn't hate this issue as much as I have hated the others. I think the action did it for me. I liked seeing Emma fight those guys. And while it was a complete 360 turn in personality, I liked the Shaw part. And Magneto getting his powers back is hillarious. How many times do the X-Men need to put him in his place before he gives up? Beast was lame and he has the same snout as the dragon thing.

[The Black Guardian]

And Magneto getting his powers back is hillarious. How many times do the X-Men need to put him in his place before he gives up?
As long as it takes until the X-Men realize that he's the one who's right.

Ah, the mark of a true hero.

[Hi-Fi]

I was so glad to see Pixie and Hisako eating cereal when Jean returned home with Colossus! The cutest scene!

[pharoahe22]

I like Dr. Nemesis and Madison Jeffries, but the book overall has been lackluster. And yes, Colossus' tattoo is the ugliest tattoo ever. Elixir does need to get rid of it.

[Novaya Havoc]

I was so glad to see Pixie and Hisako eating cereal when Jean returned home with Colossus! The cutest scene!

This is not what transpired!

[Hi-Fi]

This is not what transpired!
Oops. That's all I can remember from the issue.

[protogarrett]

I was so glad to see Pixie and Hisako eating cereal when Jean returned home with Colossus! The cutest scene!

Wait... what? Please tell me you mean evil Maddie, or maybe Emma dyed her hair. I swear to God, if you mean Jean I think my brain may just seize up.

[Hi-Fi]

Wait... what? Please tell me you mean evil Maddie, or maybe Emma dyed her hair. I swear to God, if you mean Jean I think my brain may just seize up.
Sorry, it was Emma! I guess I got confused by Emma talking like Jean during this issue.

[yanapryde]

Pixie was eating cereal with HISAKO....NOT Karma.

Karma was talking with Cannonball off panel.
Nobody saw it but it was happening I promise.

[The Black Guardian]

Sorry, it was Emma! I guess I got confused by Emma talking like Jean during this issue.
Silly Ems. She does that too often.:rolleyes:

[Seres]

I request a scan of the earth-shattering cereal scene, please.

[timbox]

I request a scan of the earth-shattering cereal scene, please.

You would appreciate Pixie's shirt.

[Anna]

This is not what transpired!


What did happen pray tell?

[Seres]

You would appreciate Pixie's shirt.

What did it say? WHATDIDITSAY??

[timbox]

What did it say? WHATDIDITSAY??

Newbridge is for lovers.

[Beast]

Good issue.

But I can't wait for the Crossover. Fraction seems to be spinning his wheels just a bit waiting for it.

[Seres]

Newbridge is for lovers.

You'd know.

[AcesX1X]

Newbridge is for lovers.

oh, that's what his tweet meant. i was so confused.

[timbox]

You'd know.

You know I know.

[DeadXMan]

Would it be possible for someone, with a more neutral outlook, to do a review?

welcome to the Internet.

Not even Switzerland is neutral here.

[Samuraixsithlord]

quick question.

what did Shaw mean when he wrote Namor on the glass in his cell?

[worstblogever]

quick question.

what did Shaw mean when he wrote Namor on the glass in his cell?

Namor wants him dead, and Emma telepathically made the King of Atlantis think she handed him Shaw's head on a plate back in Uncanny Annual (vol. 3) #2 a few months back. Instead, Emma brought him to the Marin Base Brig, where now, she's handing out her own creative punishments.

[Beast]

Namor wants him dead, and Emma telepathically made the King of Atlantis think she handed him Shaw's head on a plate back in Uncanny Annual (vol. 3) #2 a few months back. Instead, Emma brought him to the Marin Base Brig, where now, she's handing out her own creative punishments.
At least she finally has someone else to practice being kinky on. :biggrin:

[Novaya Havoc]

welcome to the Internet.

Not even Switzerland is neutral here.

There's no point in being neutral! This is my review.

I'm sure Fraction appreciates (his rare) praise. So he can receive my scorn. I am not sanitizing this with a detailed summary as that is forbidden by CBR LAW.

[DeadXMan]

There's no point in being neutral! This is my review.

I'm sure Fraction appreciates (his rare) praise. So he can receive my scorn. I am not sanitizing this with a detailed summary as that is forbidden by CBR LAW.

Ape Law is better

Anways

Welcome back, Lord Magneto!!!

[CmX]

Dodson was awesome this issue! I hope Fraction got enough Colossus out of his system for awhile and Emma too please. Glad to see the closure of Colossus dealing with Kitty and happy it didnt end with her returning.

[creaky]

No Kurtage? :frown:

[worstblogever]

No Kurtage? :frown:

He goes with Piotr to the tattoo parlor, and yet, isn't a good enough friend to get him something a little less bufugly.

[CyclopsFan6894]

So what is the point of the Science Team, from a storytelling perspective, now that the High Evolutionary and Magneto have solved the M-Day problem?

[creaky]

He goes with Piotr to the tattoo parlor, and yet, isn't a good enough friend to get him something a little less bufugly.

Perhaps he will just take him shirt-shopping afterwards? Did he hold his hand?

[Novaya Havoc]

So what is the point of the Science Team, from a storytelling perspective, now that the High Evolutionary and Magneto have solved the M-Day problem?

Fraction thinks they're cool?

THIS IS NOT NEXTWAVE, MATT FRACTION!

Kill the Beast. Or dump him off in Kingbreaker.

[Novaya Havoc]

He goes with Piotr to the tattoo parlor, and yet, isn't a good enough friend to get him something a little less bufugly.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee1/meghanmassacre/tattoos%20and%20piercings/Zipper.jpg

Elegant.

[drwho]

so will magneto actually be a mutant again or just some guy with super human powerS?

[jmc247]

so will magneto actually be a mutant again or just some guy with super human powerS?

The Celestials created the mutant race in the first place with their tech. So, one can guess that Celestial tech somehow can restore an x-gene.

But, like with Polaris we don't know exactly how the Celestial tech is working other then 'it is strange and mutating' according to Emma... which implied it was altering her genetic structure.

[darknessatnoon]

The Celestials created the mutant race in the first place with their tech. So, one can guess that Celestial tech somehow can restore an x-gene.

Didn't you think that scene was a total rip off of Dark Seduction?

[jmc247]

Didn't you think that scene was a total rip off of Dark Seduction?

In terms of a machine 'fixing' Magneto's genetic structure to make him a full mutant again? Well... lets just say it was very similar.

[CyclopsFan6894]

In terms of a machine 'fixing' Magneto's genetic structure to make him a full mutant again? Well... lets just say it was very similar.

By similar you mean exactly like it?

[DeadXMan]

And San Fran is starting to turn on The X-men.

[Novaya Havoc]

And San Fran is starting to turn on The X-men.

When was San Fran ever cool with the X-Men? Because if so, I sure haven't seen it.

[CMBMOOL]

And San Fran is starting to turn on The X-men.
I knew it was too good to be true, and that the X-men praise in San fran wouldn't last. :frown:

[DeadXMan]

By similar you mean exactly like it?

not really

he was still a mutant in Dark seduction ad knew the machine worked

this time he's human and unsure but after seeing how Bad Scott has dropped the ball he is willing to be an experiment for a mad man( given his history you can see why it a big deal) to set things right.

[jmc247]

By similar you mean exactly like it?

In Magneto War he had his DNA damaged and the machine in DS 'fixed' his X-gene so that he could fully connect to the Earth's EM field.

In this issue if the machine/Celestial Tech made him a mutant again (which I am betting it likely did) it would have had to rebuild his x-gene from scratch so it wouldn't be the same, but it would be pretty similar.

[DeadXMan]

When was San Fran ever cool with the X-Men? Because if so, I sure haven't seen it.

well they had the mayor in the back pocket, but like all politicians they change with public opinion.

Just wait until Norman gets there.

[drwho]

I knew it was too good to be true, and that the X-men praise in San fran wouldn't last. :frown:

and nothing will ever be the same up until about 4 months later and nothing will ever be the same again.

[darknessatnoon]

About the tattoo? Isn't Judaism opposed to them? Isn't Piotr desecrating Kitty's memory by tattooing her name on his body?

You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves: I am the Lord (Leviticus 19:28).

Now, even if they ever find Kitty's corpse, he can never be buried in the same cemetery as Kitty.

[jarrod]

Pitor's not "marriage material", Kitty was just passing the time anyway. I'm sure when she comes back, it'll be falling into Pete Wisdom's capable and unmarked arms.

[darknessatnoon]

Pitor's not "marriage material", Kitty was just passing the time anyway. I'm sure when she comes back, it'll be falling into Pete Wisdom's capable and unmarked arms.

I think she should bring home a nice Jewish boy. Say, isn't Magneto available?

[Novaya Havoc]

well they had the mayor in the back pocket, but like all politicians they change with public opinion.

Just wait until Norman gets there.

Oh, please. Yay! A new Val Cooper circa the X-Factor era! Still smells like the same rank-ass Val Cooper. Perhaps Fraction can now create a new Trish Tilby to represent all media outlets?

And she's still called "MAYOR." What a riveting character!

The timeline for this illustrious(ly failed, but had such promise) "Sanctuary City" idea:

1. San Francisco loves Mutants! Welcome, X-Men! All mutants are welcome! (Uncanny #500)

2. Pixie and her gay friend get gay-bashed! OH NOEZ! All mutants: move to the X-Base... permanently! (Uncanny #501)

3. Amnesia strikes yon gaping populace, even as the X-Men save San Francisco from Skrull Genocide! (X-Men: Secret Invasion)

4. OMG PEOPLE DON'T LIKE MUTANTS! PROPOSITION-X!!!! (Uncanny X-Men #506-#507)

I'm sorry. You can't "revoke" something that was never given. Mutants aren't even living or doing anything in the city proper. They're on the X-Plantation.

So how is this any different so far from the 1980's X-Men, replacing NYC with "San Francisco" and Westchester with "Marin" excepted?

[jarrod]

I think she should bring home a nice Jewish boy. Say, isn't Magneto available?
David's coming back. Kitty's resourceful, she'll marry her way into the inner circle.

[darknessatnoon]

Oh, please. Yay! A new Val Cooper circa the X-Factor era! Still smells like the same rank-ass Val Cooper. Perhaps Fraction can now create a new Trish Tilby to represent all media outlets?

And she's still called "MAYOR." What a riveting character!

The timeline for this illustrious(ly failed, but had such promise) "Sanctuary City" idea:

1. San Francisco loves Mutants! Welcome, X-Men! All mutants are welcome! (Uncanny #500)

2. Pixie and her gay friend get gay-bashed! OH NOEZ! All mutants: move to the X-Base... permanently! (Uncanny #501)

3. Amnesia strikes yon gaping populace, even as the X-Men save San Francisco from Skrull Genocide! (X-Men: Secret Invasion)

4. OMG PEOPLE DON'T LIKE MUTANTS! PROPOSITION-X!!!! (Uncanny X-Men #506-#507)

I'm sorry. You can't "revoke" something that was never given. Mutants aren't even living or doing anything in the city proper. They're on the X-Plantation.

So how is this any different so far from the 1980's X-Men, replacing NYC with "San Francisco" and Westchester with "Marin" excepted?

At least CC (Praised Be His Name) had Storm's team living in SF proper. Hell, Storm was even having a lesbian threesome with Jessica Drew and Lindsay McCabe.

[Novaya Havoc]

Seriously. The X-Men living in Alcatraz for 3 issues was more interesting than the entirety of this new direction, to date.

Ugh! Fraction is making me reminisce fondly upon DREAMBOAT CC!!!!

And you all wonder why this title disturbs me so much.

[DeadXMan]

Oh, please. Yay! A new Val Cooper circa the X-Factor era! Still smells like the same rank-ass Val Cooper. Perhaps Fraction can now create a new Trish Tilby to represent all media outlets?

And she's still called "MAYOR." What a riveting character!

The timeline for this illustrious(ly failed, but had such promise) "Sanctuary City" idea:

1. San Francisco loves Mutants! Welcome, X-Men! All mutants are welcome! (Uncanny #500)

2. Pixie and her gay friend get gay-bashed! OH NOEZ! All mutants: move to the X-Base... permanently! (Uncanny #501)

3. Amnesia strikes yon gaping populace, even as the X-Men save San Francisco from Skrull Genocide! (X-Men: Secret Invasion)

4. OMG PEOPLE DON'T LIKE MUTANTS! PROPOSITION-X!!!! (Uncanny X-Men #506-#507)

I'm sorry. You can't "revoke" something that was never given. Mutants aren't even living or doing anything in the city proper. They're on the X-Plantation.

So how is this any different so far from the 1980's X-Men, replacing NYC with "San Francisco" and Westchester with "Marin" excepted?



well we know how San Fran feels about he military and Scott went on and told her he's building an army.

(good one Scott)

and besides it high time Norman gets his fix of throwing people off of high places.

I predict a special election will be held in San Fran soon.

[Robodojo]

So much Colossus-hate in this thread. If only he was as iconic a character as...let's say Dazzler. I don't understand why Colossus gets so much page time while an all-time classic character like Dazzler barely appears anywhere. I just don't get it. It's so unfair, considering all the memorable Dazzler moments that we've been treated to over the years. Like that one time she was jealous over Longshot, or that other time she was all into disco and was a popular disco singer and was not dated at all. Boy, if only Colossus could be relevant like that. :wink:

[Til]

Colossus ruined his chest.

His chest is the sole thing I've found fun and entertaining about him for a while now.

He ruined it........:frown:

[DeadXMan]

only one person ever got the chest tattoo look down right,

and that's Iron fist.

Colossus should gotten a back tattoo or and arm.

[Orzis]

I've quickly looked through the 10 pages of posts but have yet to find the answer to my question (better make that plural), so here it is, now with 100% more n00b filling: Whats the deal with blue-faced Warren/Angel and his symbiote-black costume? And, why did Beast growl with disappointment at him?

[Novaya Havoc]

I've quickly looked through the 10 pages of posts but have yet to find the answer to my question (better make that plural), so here it is, now with 100% more n00b filling: Whats the deal with blue-faced Warren/Angel and his symbiote-black costume? And, why did Beast growl with disappointment at him?

You need to read the flagship X-Title, X-Force, to understand Angel/Archangel.

As far as Beast? No one understands him. This is why he must die.

[XaviersMisprint]

I don't see how people think Uncanny doesn't have a rotating cast. Sure, it isn't ideal at the moment, but I believe it will be soon. I see hardly any Wolverine in these pages at least, barely even in background scenes. In this issue he never even appeared, however we got Archangel, Dr. Nemesis, Madison Jeffries, that new Japanese guy, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Pixie etc. None of them appear in Astonishing X-Men, and besides Archangel, none appear in any other book. Looks like there IS a rotating cast, then....


A few issues ago there was heavy focus on Karma, Storm, Madelyne, Empath, Pixie, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Magneto, Mastermind, X-23, Armor, Cannonball, etc...

No, it isn't ideal. Yet. I know it sounds obnoxious, but give it time. Within the next 10 issues or less I see the book taking a complete spin and all of the obscure fan-favorites will step up. I think right now Fraction is giving A-List focus to establich his footing in the new book, give it a sense of direction.... "What is happening to the X-MEN right now, not just the satellite members?"

There should definitely be more Storm and Dazzler, agreed. Less Emma, more of them. And more Karma. People LOVE her. Plus, they would make the X-Men seem more legal, instead of them hanging out with Pixie and Armor all of the time. More Cannonball, Nightcrawler, Iceman, Gentle, and Psylocke would also be a nice change. But shortly I see this happening!

[Novaya Havoc]

I don't see how people think Uncanny doesn't have a rotating cast. Sure, it isn't ideal at the moment, but I believe it will be soon. I see hardly any Wolverine in these pages at least, barely even in background scenes. In this issue he never even appeared, however we got Archangel, Dr. Nemesis, Madison Jeffries, that new Japanese guy, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Pixie etc. None of them appear in Astonishing X-Men, and besides Archangel, none appear in any other book. Looks like there IS a rotating cast, then....

I care not if Wolverine is present or not. I enjoy him in X-Force. I liked him under Brubaker. IRRELEVANT.

And, let's look at your definition of a "rotating cast" which includes: Dr. Nemesis, "That New Japanese Guy" (my personal favorite), Pixie, and et cetera.

No. There isn't a "rotating cast." By your definition, the MAYOR!!! is a "rotating cast member." Pixie did not rotate. She served as a fag-bash metaphor to make the X-Men really angry about it. The cast is Cyclops/Emma/Beast with a splash of Colossus/Angel, and a trickle of Pixie dust. That is not a rotating cast. I was hoping Uncanny would bring us a good, hot Angel whereas X-Force explored more of Archangel. Nope. Just give Warren to KY already, because he blows in Uncanny.

Uncanny's "Cast" as of this moment is Cyclops/Emma/Beast/Colossus. Riveting.


A few issues ago there was heavy focus on Karma, Storm, Madelyne, Empath, Pixie, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Magneto, Mastermind, X-23, Armor, Cannonball, etc...

No. There was no heavy focus. By this definition, Chris Claremont gave heavy focus to Lila Cheney in Uncanny X-Men #214. Simply because a character appears in >3 panels does not make it a "heavy focus."

- Karma has a couple of tokenized panels.

- Storm has had NOTHING in Uncanny, aside from her missing Empath with lightning and her weird #500 scene with the Japanese dude at the Celestial.

- Madelyne? Nada. Though I know she's waiting for the Sisterhood arc, so I'll give this a pass.

- Empath. So he's a BDSM bottom. Woah. I guess that takes a certain kind of heavy focus, but not the literary kind.

- Pixie. Fag-bashing and tattletale-dom. Not a "heavy focus." More like "walking cliched plot device."

- Nightcrawler. What? Who? (And please don't use him if Colossus is any indicator, Fraction.)

- Wolverine. No he has not had a heavy focus. Which is fine and dandy. But I outlined this above.

- Magneto. LOL! Are you srs?

- Mastermind (Martinique). She had her arc under Bru. Nothing has happened with her under Fraction. Again: I will give him the Sisterhood arc to dazzle me with her.

- X-23. She hasn't done ANYTHING in Uncanny! No hyperbole -- straight up literal. Are you smoking rocks? Give me a hit.

- Armor. Ibid.

- Cannonball. WOAH! He was BLASTIN'! into BATTLE! in #500! Woo?

- Et cetera. My point exactly.


No, it isn't ideal. Yet. I know it sounds obnoxious, but give it time. Within the next 10 issues or less I see the book taking a complete spin and all of the obscure fan-favorites will step up. I think right now Fraction is giving A-List focus to establich his footing in the new book, give it a sense of direction.... "What is happening to the X-MEN right now, not just the satellite members?"

There should definitely be more Storm and Dazzler, agreed. Less Emma, more of them. And more Karma. People LOVE her. Plus, they would make the X-Men seem more legal, instead of them hanging out with Pixie and Armor all of the time. More Cannonball, Nightcrawler, Iceman, Gentle, and Psylocke would also be a nice change. But shortly I see this happening!

I don't afford time. X-Force is on issue 13 and people love it. Fraction's Uncanny run is 7 issues so far -- just 6 issues shy of X-Force. And Fraction isn't even at the point something like X-Force was by issue 7 (much less X-Factor by issue #7 under PAD. Layla knows stuff.).

I don't give time to people who do not deserve it. Fraction is content concocting his "X-Club" circle-jerk of BEAST!!!-iality. No me gusta. "Give it time" is such a Claremontian argument, besides.

More, the readership waited under Brubaker's stalling in the lead-up to #500. Remember the Morlocks and Qwerty? Remember San Fran and Martinique? Or the boys in Russia? Those stories were okay enough, and I gave them a curve-scale in criticism because I knew the other post-MC titles were "supposedly" going to crescendo to match up to Uncanny X-Men #500's Hosannahs in the Highests.

#500 hit it. #501-#507 have completely lost any of that good grace. There is no more grace period. Your student loans are due, Matt Fraction.

I AM SALLIE MAE, AND I SHALL COLLECT YOUR DEBTS.

[Omega Alpha]

I finally read this issue and goddamn, this was garbage. Garbage! Probably the worst written Emma Frost in recent history. And yeah, I know competition is tough. But Colossus was badly written too, and the Beast and Angel thing ended up not going anywhere. Overall, I'm enjoying this book more than under Brubaker, but this was the worst issue in the last 30+ easily.

[Flâneur]

I don't see how people think Uncanny doesn't have a rotating cast. Sure, it isn't ideal at the moment, but I believe it will be soon. I see hardly any Wolverine in these pages at least, barely even in background scenes. In this issue he never even appeared, however we got Archangel, Dr. Nemesis, Madison Jeffries, that new Japanese guy, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Pixie etc. None of them appear in Astonishing X-Men, and besides Archangel, none appear in any other book. Looks like there IS a rotating cast, then....


A few issues ago there was heavy focus on Karma, Storm, Madelyne, Empath, Pixie, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Magneto, Mastermind, X-23, Armor, Cannonball, etc...

There was heavy focus on Honeysuckle, last arc, when I saw a plant.

Stop trying to make rotation happen, Gretchen, it isn't going to happen! If it were going to happen then we would see Karma or Storm or Dazzler or Honeysuckle take on roles as significant as Emma and Scott. They haven't. This means they have not rotated with Emma, Scott, Beast or Colossus. It's up to you as to whether this is a good thing or not but this is not rotation.

No, it isn't ideal. Yet. I know it sounds obnoxious, but give it time. Within the next 10 issues or less I see the book taking a complete spin and all of the obscure fan-favorites will step up. I think right now Fraction is giving A-List focus to establich his footing in the new book, give it a sense of direction.... "What is happening to the X-MEN right now, not just the satellite members?"
Give it time? Why? Why is it deserving of my time and my dollar? Fraction has already put out enough Uncanny to fill out a TPB. Why should I buy that TPB which should be standing alone? Why should I be interested enough to not only get that TPB AND the next TPB and then decide whether the third is maybe possibly coming close to fulfilling the thing I gave it time for? UXM can just go and DIAF.

You're right. It isn't ideal. It isn't rotation. I wish people would stop pretending it is and just roll with the fact that this is just an A-list cast (to boost sales) in a book whose sales never drop because of fanatical completionists.

[Quinnhop]

I have a feeling that the rotating cast will become more obvious as Fraction's run starts to be released in trade format. I mean, from month to month it may not seem like he's shifting the focus, but arc to arc it's obvious that he, in fact, is.

The only reason Lovelorn didn't feel nearly as interesting as it should have is that we just had a "grieving Colossus" arc in the issues leading up to #500.

Beyond that, the biggest problem I've had with Fraction's run is that it's so intensely decompressed. I mean...it's one thing when I'm reading Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and each issue is like a fraction of a greater cinematic masterpiece, but, honestly... Fraction isn't that good.

He's just not that good.

So, what he needs to do is compress this shit. THEN, and only then, will his "rotating cast" become remotely apparent.

[Falconen]

This comic, as of late, seems to have missed its mark. I kind of liked the idea of a rotating cast, (even if the cast memebres are prominently featured in other titles) but Faction seems to be stuck with the Big 3. Emma, Scott and Logan. Leave Logan to Astonishing (since that isn't regularly coming out) and X-Factor (with a little New Avengers thrown in). Scott can oversee X-Factor, maybe have a few panels here as well as Emma, but please, focus on the other characters at the Complex!
We have Daz, the New Mutant crew, as well as the New X-Men just sitting around, waiting for their stories to be told. Now that Young X-Men has finally finished, maybe Faction can start some new stories... but no, he will have to go onto the next great X-Men cross over. Possibly after this next X-Men Messiah thing gets worked out, we can move on.
I really hope the Sisterhood of Evil works out, or I may lose hope and not enter the next stage.

[MuhollandDriver]

If You like the current run of Uncanny....so be it.

However....to think they are living up to the promise of a "rotating cast" is wrong.

A rotating cast is -prominently- using characters for a certain arc or story. Once the arc or story is over, a new set of characters are used for the next arc.

i actually feel that Brubaker's run, despite its problems, accomplished this much more successfully.

Speaking of....i picked up a collected version of The Extremists....sure there were some clunky parts...but there were many enjoyable aspects to it.

It had some high tension...interesting character moments....Q W E R T Y!....Storm actually being utilized appropriately...Skids was finally made into an interesting character...i could actually hear the "voices" of the characters.

i think if "Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire" didn't happen....Brubaker's run would have been more enjoyable.

Uncanny does not have a rotating cast. It has a plethora of background characters. Heck...New X-Men did that, and with more success.

Also.....the "we are only seven issues in!" is no excuse whatsoever.

X-Force was wonderful from issue 1. So was Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain Britain and the MI13, Young Avengers....

If the series doesn't work in the first arc, it needs to start working soon. i felt that KY went for too many pointless histrionics in Childhood's End...others felt the same. They sorted shit out by the next arc. After that, each arc got better and better.

This current writer has had two full arcs....and it hasn't improved.

[DeadXMan]

That thing must of been cloned from the American Godziilla.

[Charybdis4]

I've just lined my cats litter tray with this issue & even she is refusing to s*** on it as it was so offensive.

[timbox]

At least we got to see the Angel/Archangel transformation. He just unzips his Angel suit, he's always Archangel underneath.

[Charlotte DeBlr]

The opinion of Emma fan.

Emma being guilt-ridden person is overplayed and boring as hell. The Colossus scene was comparable in lameness only to Emma's story in Manifest Destiny.

Yes, there's the very Kitty thing to share...if only it have been shared and adressed. In fact the only point behind that was "a brawler companion to Pete who isn't Wolverine" which makes little sence. If ranged ones like Dazzler (who can be versatile powerhouse if written well (not random sparkles BS we've seen so far)) make the thing unfair... then do you call beating of regular thugs with guns by armoured Class 80 guy "fair"? If there was no specific reason explored in the scene....then Emma's presence there is BS of highest order.

If not for two pages with Shaw's torture...there wouldn't have been any Emma for me in this issue. There Emma finally looked at least a bit like Emma, not somebody being pushed into her ass in the scene just cause she's the telepathic alpha female of X-Men right now.

Too bad those two pages (as well as Magneto's repowerment) were put in the end of the issue.

2\5 only for Shaw's scene.

[ExodusCloak]

The opinion of Emma fan.

Emma being guilt-ridden person is overplayed and boring as hell. The Colossus scene was comparable in lameness only to Emma's story in Manifest Destiny.

Yes, there's the very Kitty thing to share...if only it have been shared and adressed. In fact the only point behind that was "a brawler companion to Pete who isn't Wolverine" which makes little sence. If ranged ones like Dazzler (who can be versatile powerhouse if written well (not random sparkles BS we've seen so far)) make the thing unfair... then do you call beating of regular thugs with guns by armoured Class 80 guy "fair"? If there was no specific reason explored in the scene....then Emma's presence there is BS of highest order.

If not for two pages with Shaw's torture...there wouldn't have been any Emma for me in this issue. There Emma finally looked at least a bit like Emma, not somebody being pushed into her ass in the scene just cause she's the telepathic alpha female of X-Men right now.

Too bad those two pages (as well as Magneto's repowerment) were put in the end of the issue.

2\5 only for Shaw's scene.

Hmm I think I understand why Emma was written like that at the beginning of Fractions run, if I'm right it would make a lot of sense.

Remember how we were all shocked at how much better Emma was written in the annual as opposed to SFX and Lovelorn? I think Fraction wrote her like that at the beginning on purpose. It was to show that she's so infatuated with Scott that she wouldn't question any of his decisions we saw this during his argument with Xavier and throughout the Messiah Complex. Whedon also already touched on this in Astonishing but I thought it came full circle that their relationship isn't just Emma being the giver and Scott the taker.
I think she's starting to get a bit fed up...and it would seem that since the annual she's back to being the bitchy White Queen. If I'm correct in saying that the Annual occurs some where in the middle of UXM #507 then the radical shift in personality is down to her pushing Scott away (The Annual and the telephone conversation).

In short we should see a much less caring Emma in future issues.

[prince_nightcrawler]

What happened to Colossus's moobs? Did they get wrecked?

[ch1mera]

The only thing that can save this comic is a gratuitous Dazzler death scene. Archangel can take her out. :biggrin:

[Charlotte DeBlr]

Hmm I think I understand why Emma was written like that at the beginning of Fractions run, if I'm right it would make a lot of sense.

Remember how we were all shocked at how much better Emma was written in the annual as opposed to SFX and Lovelorn? I think Fraction wrote her like that at the beginning on purpose. It was to show that she's so infatuated with Scott that she wouldn't question any of his decisions we saw this during his argument with Xavier and throughout the Messiah Complex. Whedon also already touched on this in Astonishing but I thought it came full circle that their relationship isn't just Emma being the giver and Scott the taker.
I think she's starting to get a bit fed up...and it would seem that since the annual she's back to being the bitchy White Queen. If I'm correct in saying that the Annual occurs some where in the middle of UXM #507 then the radical shift in personality is down to her pushing Scott away (The Annual and the telephone conversation).

In short we should see a much less caring Emma in future issues.

Wise words, colleague...wise words. I came to that conclusion myself. With annual spliting into the storyline in the middle of UXM #507, the difference between Emma in Colossus and Shaw scenes is explained.

[AN0LE]

If You like the current run of Uncanny....so be it.

However....to think they are living up to the promise of a "rotating cast" is wrong.

A rotating cast is -prominently- using characters for a certain arc or story. Once the arc or story is over, a new set of characters are used for the next arc.

i actually feel that Brubaker's run, despite its problems, accomplished this much more successfully.

Speaking of....i picked up a collected version of The Extremists....sure there were some clunky parts...but there were many enjoyable aspects to it.

It had some high tension...interesting character moments....Q W E R T Y!....Storm actually being utilized appropriately...Skids was finally made into an interesting character...i could actually hear the "voices" of the characters.

i think if "Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire" didn't happen....Brubaker's run would have been more enjoyable.

Uncanny does not have a rotating cast. It has a plethora of background characters. Heck...New X-Men did that, and with more success.

Also.....the "we are only seven issues in!" is no excuse whatsoever.

X-Force was wonderful from issue 1. So was Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain Britain and the MI13, Young Avengers....

If the series doesn't work in the first arc, it needs to start working soon. i felt that KY went for too many pointless histrionics in Childhood's End...others felt the same. They sorted shit out by the next arc. After that, each arc got better and better.

This current writer has had two full arcs....and it hasn't improved.

AMEN my friend! Oh, how I miss the days of QWERTY. I would rather look at continuous panels of her in her vegetative state than the tripe that they are passing off in UXM.

Here's hoping that the "Sisterhood" arc kicks things back into gear.

[CMBMOOL]

Hmm I think I understand why Emma was written like that at the beginning of Fractions run, if I'm right it would make a lot of sense.

Remember how we were all shocked at how much better Emma was written in the annual as opposed to SFX and Lovelorn? I think Fraction wrote her like that at the beginning on purpose. It was to show that she's so infatuated with Scott that she wouldn't question any of his decisions we saw this during his argument with Xavier and throughout the Messiah Complex. Whedon also already touched on this in Astonishing but I thought it came full circle that their relationship isn't just Emma being the giver and Scott the taker.
I think she's starting to get a bit fed up...and it would seem that since the annual she's back to being the bitchy White Queen. If I'm correct in saying that the Annual occurs some where in the middle of UXM #507 then the radical shift in personality is down to her pushing Scott away (The Annual and the telephone conversation).

In short we should see a much less caring Emma in future issues.

That was a very good theory and could be prove fatal for the X-men if it came true.

I mean to lose another Telepath back to the path way of evil.

Still if Emma reverts back to her former self and it's Scott's fault, then at least at that time Xavier could step back in and regain his X-men.

[Seres]

Can't we enjoy this comic ironically, like with Heroes?

Pixie was on a scooter once.

[prince_nightcrawler]

Ah, I read that he got a tattoo that says Katya. In Cyrillic, it would look like this

KotR (but the R would be backwards and little)

I am an expert in the Russian language. You can use me as a resource and ask me questions anytime.

[Agent_Torpor]

Can't we enjoy this comic ironically, like with Heroes?

Pixie was on a scooter once.

I wish, like I do with my Claremont Redux issues.

Unfortunately, this is just bad. And not bad in a laughable, wtf way, but a bad in a "hmm, that went over not so well" way. It's an embarassment.

And it would have been more ironic had Pixie taken public transport on in.

[MuhollandDriver]

AMEN my friend! Oh, how I miss the days of QWERTY. I would rather look at continuous panels of her in her vegetative state than the tripe that they are passing off in UXM.

Here's hoping that the "Sisterhood" arc kicks things back into gear.

Hey there You! how have You been?

Yes...hopefully the sisterhood arc will be good. If not...i may drop Uncanny...much as i don't want to. It is rare that a comic can anger me. This one does it!

[Prodigy55]

Ugh, Colossus got a fug tattoo, who the hell wants Kitty Pryde permanently scared on their body?

[jarrod]

Ugh, Colossus got a fug tattoo, who the hell wants Kitty Pryde permanently scared on their body?
No one Kitty's interested in, that's who. lol, Pete's such a loser...

[Agent_Torpor]

No one Kitty's interested in, that's who. lol, Pete's such a loser...

Da, tovarisch.

[Prodigy55]

OMG Beast is so lol... "Angel, how could you keep this from me? wah wah wah"

[Agent_Torpor]

OMG Beast is so lol... "Angel, how could you keep this from me? wah wah wah"

He really does need a legacy virus injected in his eyeball, stat.

And **** Uncanny, where the hell is the current issue Legacy thread?

[Charybdis4]

OMG Beast is so lol... "Angel, how could you keep this from me? wah wah wah"

Wait till you see Hank's reaction when he finds out Lois London is Warren's uber hot new girl.

[Greg Anderson]

Can someone kindly post the Colossus tat?

[Prodigy55]

Can someone kindly post the Colossus tat?

I'll try to scan it when I get home, if nobody posts it before.

[Charybdis4]

Can someone kindly post the Colossus tat?

It just says "Katya" (he's Russian remember...) with a picture of Kitty trapped in a bullet & screaming for all eternity.

[Mundungus]

This arc seemed to be filler anyway. Not useless filler, but mostly setting up different character arcs or plots for future stories.

Sebastian Shaw has been jumping around the X-Universe a lot since Messiah CompleX and maybe I missed an appearance but was he captured in a different book before showing up in this issue?

I understand the symbolism of having Katya tattooed on his chest to reflect his love for her but I have to admit it'll be interesting the next time Colossus rips off his shirt in battle.

I'm also curious what Kitty's reaction is going to be when she returns and sees it.

I know the creators working in the X-Universe right now have been referring to Cyclops building an army, or the X-Men becoming an army but I always took it as some sort of. . . I dunno, metaphor or something. Cyclops saying he IS in fact building a mutant army means that he has a larger agenda in store. Could this be setting up a possible exploration of the Human-Mutant War? How effective could less than two hundred mutants be against legions of anti-mutant assholes?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the girl sitting with Pixie was Armor, not Karma.

The scenes with the Science Team were pretty cool. I have to admit that bringing Archangel back is really pumping up Warren's profile. I love that Beast isn't stuck in his lab all the time.

I think Matt Fraction has a decent handling on the characters, but I wish he would be more proactive with this rotating cast system. Maybe it was just this arc but I want to see more minor characters having more than one or two lines.

Though the New Mutants are going to be back in their own book, so fleshing them out in Uncanny would be redundant. The X-Force team is well handled in their own title. X-Factor is X-Factor.

Truth is, I don't think we should take rotating cast so literally. A lot of the characters are already featured (or will be) in their own books.

I do think Matt Fraction can handle the X-Men. Let's see how the Sisterhood arc goes.

[darknessatnoon]

He really does need a legacy virus injected in his eyeball, stat.

And **** Uncanny, where the hell is the current issue Legacy thread?

No one made it.

[Charlotte DeBlr]

Ah, I read that he got a tattoo that says Katya. In Cyrillic, it would look like this

KotR (but the R would be backwards and little)

I am an expert in the Russian language. You can use me as a resource and ask me questions anytime.

I'm an actual Russian (at least Russian-speaking).
It spells Катя in Russian.
No "o",

[Agent_Torpor]

No one made it.

Give me a few days to savor the Carey-ness and i'll do it if it hasn't been done yet.

[SkinFromBone]

Yawn

I didn't brother renewing my sub for UXM after reading this issue.

Make mine x force.

[Omega Alpha]

That was a very good theory and could be prove fatal for the X-men if it came true.

I mean to lose another Telepath back to the path way of evil.

Still if Emma reverts back to her former self and it's Scott's fault, then at least at that time Xavier could step back in and regain his X-men.


That theory assumes that:

1) Marvel has any interest in have Emma, the most popular female character at the company currently (with Storm), become a villain. Which also means pass from being the A list to a condition in which she was a C-list character at best.

2) They have any interest in have Xavier become the X-men's daddy again, when everything in the last years has been done to put him away from the team, and the character himself has admitted his time has passed.

Which is, IMO, non-sense.

Plus, Fraction doesn't show Emma questioning Scott's judgement (yet at least) so much as deciding to try to help mutantkind in her own way, and keeping a secret more ouf of spite (as in "oh, he's hiding things, I'll hide too") than anything else.

And with Norman on his way to attack the X-men and control mutantkind, even if Emma *wanted* to go evil, she can't. The premise of the crossover is exactly that Osborn doesn't trust her to get the job done.

If, or when, the X-men split, it won't be between Scott x Emma, even because no one would follow her. It would be between Scott and Emma and another side, whatever that is.

[prince_nightcrawler]

I'm an actual Russian (at least Russian-speaking).
It spells Катя in Russian.
No "o",

I used the o because it looks more like the Russian character. The character does not look like an 'a'.

That's cool that you're Russian and all, but that doesn't mean you're a student of the Russian language, um, making a distinction here.

[prince_nightcrawler]

Da, tovarisch.

Tovarisch actually has a 'ts-ch' sound at the end of it. Is that ping ying lol?

[Novaya Havoc]

I used the o because it looks more like the Russian character. The character does not look like an 'a'.

That's cool that you're Russian and all, but that doesn't mean you're a student of the Russian language, um, making a distinction here.

I studied Russian for 4 years.

Trust. It's "Катя." I'm never seen a diminutive for "Yeketerina" (Catherine) spelled "Кoтя."

[Charlotte DeBlr]

I spell the word in Russian to you, you dumbass. I live in Belarus, Minsk. Russian is my mother language (bilingual, but the first language I was taught is Russian and not Belarusian). I think in Russian while I'm writing that.

I'll write it to you in capital letters, you pretentious retard:

КАТЯ

The second letter is A and not O by any stretch of imagination. I'm not an American who took 3 weeks course in Russian and got it confused with Bulgarian from how it looks? Or do you look at transcription when you write? Cause what you've written looks NOTHING like actual Russian spelling. There's no "transitive letter from a to o" in Russian.

http://talktotolstoy.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/russian-alphabet1.jpg

The picture is for visuals. If such "experts" like you are employed by Marvel, no wonder than in 70% of cases the attempt to spell sentence in Russian for them results in epic failure from the POV of native speakers.

If you were the native speaker of Russian, you won't have been talking BS.

[Dagger]

wow. Um....maybe you shouldn't be calling people retards. It's not polite.

[Charlotte DeBlr]

I studied Russian for 4 years.

Trust. It's "Катя." I'm never seen a diminutive for "Yeketerina" (Catherine) spelled "Кoтя."

What's funny there's actually a diminitive in Russian spelled "Котя", but it's a derivative from Константин (Constantine) and is a male name (my Mom calles my Dad Котя sometimes.
But that's offtopic...and sorry for mean words in the previous post- the dude got me f*ckingly pissed.

[timbox]

I turned my keyboard upside down but the R won’t come out right.

[Steven F.]

I turned my keyboard upside down but the R won’t come out right.

LOL.

I have missed you Timbox.

[darknessatnoon]

But that's offtopic...and sorry for mean words in the previous post- the dude got me f*ckingly pissed.

In ENGLISH, we have no such word as f*ckingly. Go post on a Russian message board.

[timbox]

I want to know how to spell fuckingly in Russian. I think it’s an amazing new form of the word.

[Novaya Havoc]

I want to know how to spell fuckingly in Russian. I think it’s an amazing new form of the word.

You can just do it the Fraction way!

Just use < > to make anything any language!

<You HICK!!!>*

[*translated from the Russian! ~N.H.!]

[Seres]

In ENGLISH, we have no such word as f*ckingly. Go post on a Russian message board.

Are you saying that Urban Dictionary isn't a legitimate dictionary?

[prince_nightcrawler]

What's funny there's actually a diminitive in Russian spelled "Котя", but it's a derivative from Константин (Constantine) and is a male name (my Mom calles my Dad Котя sometimes.
But that's offtopic...and sorry for mean words in the previous post- the dude got me f*ckingly pissed.

I already knew that but thanks. I studied Russian longer than you, so don't lecture me. I stand by what I said before, I may not have a keyboard that types Cyrillic characters, but I know what I'm talking about and you're a poser who doesn't know any more Russian than a person in the street, so quit putting on airs.

It's okay he called me retard. Really, it just shows how insecure he is about this. Good job.

[darknessatnoon]

Are you saying that Urban Dictionary isn't a legitimate dictionary?

I'm saying go back to Russia, Seres, and take Darkstar's rotting corpse with you.

[Seres]

I already knew that but thanks. I studied Russian longer than you, so don't lecture me. I stand by what I said before, I may not have a keyboard that types Cyrillic characters, but I know what I'm talking about and you're a poser who doesn't know any more Russian than a person in the street, so quit putting on airs.

It's okay he called me retard. Really, it just shows how insecure he is about this. Good job.

But... she's Russian?

[Novaya Havoc]

What in the Lois London Hell is HAPPENING IN MY THREAD?!??!?!?!

I do not appreciate this! Charlotte DeBlr is correct and this is all that needs to be said on the matter!

[timbox]

Being Russian is obviously not the same thing as studying Russian! Poser!

[darknessatnoon]

I want to know if the tattoo is spelled wrong!

Piotr is an illiterate hick. It would make sense.

Also, do you spell it Dostoevsky, Dostoievsky, Dostojevskij, Dostoevski or Dostoevskii?

[Steven F.]

What in the Lois London Hell is HAPPENING IN MY THREAD?!??!?!?!

I do not appreciate this! Charlotte DeBlr is correct and this is all that needs to be said on the matter!

Not only was Charlotte DeBlr correct, but they also had every right to be aggravated.

[Charlotte DeBlr]

I'm awfully sorry that I started that. And yes, I agree, I'm unable to swear properly in English:)

[Novaya Havoc]

Why are we discussing Colossus?! He is not worth mentioning. EVER.

[Christopher O]

Not only was Charlotte DeBlr correct, but they also had every right to be aggravated.
Let's hope Charlotte is a she or a he and not a they. We have enough of those running around.

[timbox]

I'm awfully sorry that I started that. And yes, I agree, I'm unable to swear properly in English:)

I thought it was perfect.

[Dagger]

Ben! Do you have any fabulous Dazzler avatars? I'm thinking of re-reading my Dazz collection again, and feel the need for inspiration!

[Steven F.]

Let's hope Charlotte is a she or a he and not a they. We have enough of those running around.

I didn't want to assume either way, lol. But yes, lets hope.

[Novaya Havoc]

Ben! Do you have any fabulous Dazzler avatars? I'm thinking of re-reading my Dazz collection again, and feel the need for inspiration!

How fabulous do you want this avatar to be? I have many Dazz-atars.

[Pro]

The picture is for visuals. If such "experts" like you are employed by Marvel, no wonder than in 70% of cases the attempt to spell sentence in Russian for them results in epic failure from the POV of native speakers.

Marvel doesn't give a crap about native speakers. Marvel comics are americanocentric. You're bothered by a spelling error? Not the fact any country outside the US is portrayed as offensively stereotypical?

[jester1436]

Can we please get back on topic and discuss Colossus' new HIDEOUSLY FUG tattoo?!

Why are we discussing Colossus?! He is not worth mentioning. EVER.

Hmmm, color me confused!

[prince_nightcrawler]

But... she's Russian?

You fell into his faulty logic. Just cause someone is a certain ethnicity doesn't mean they are a scholar of that language. He could be a homeless dude for all anyone knows. Trust me, you are better off going to someone who has expertise.

[Pro]

I hope Beast and Dazzler marry and leave for some tropical island.

[Dagger]

How fabulous do you want this avatar to be? I have many Dazz-atars.
Way fabulous. But not any in her new costume. It's too fug for words... Except in your avvie and Eurazn's seems to be very фантастично .

[Charlotte DeBlr]

But... she's Russian?

I'm a girl, and I speak Russian... if not from birth, then from the age kids learn to speak. I learned to speak at the age of 9 months and now I'm 22 years old.

I'm from the country where Russian is the official first language. Not an American with some Russian background. Also I'm a linguist by education (translator). So how all of that leads to me being an illiterate street urchin?

And as for Достоевский? Dostoyevsky is a bit polonised way but that's an official transliteration so I go with that (it's not like I'm very fond of his "sentimental detectives"(c)Nabokov.)

[prince_nightcrawler]

Way fabulous. But not any in her new costume. It's too fug for words... Except in your avvie and Eurazn's seems to be very фантастично .

That means 'fantastic'.

[darknessatnoon]

I'm a girl, and I speak Russian... if not from birth, then from the age kids learn to speak. I learned to speak at the age of 9 months and now I'm 22 years old.

I'm from the country where Russian is the official first language. Not an American with some Russian background.

And as for Достоевский? Dostoyevsky is a bit polonised way but that's an official transliteration so I go with that (it's not like I'm very fond of his "sentimental detectives"(c)Nabokov.)

I like that Nabokov's grandfather was the warden at the prison where Достоевский was almost shot and that Nabokov was forever regretful that his grandfather didn't get to shoot the guy in the head before he produced the four worst novels in Russian literature.

[SayOcean]

uncanny is so awesome they are talking about the correct spelling of a russian word.....oh god..... this thread is awesome

[Novaya Havoc]

I hope Beast and Dazzler marry and leave for some tropical island.

And I hope that the Danish annex the Netherlands. It can be like Greenland.

[Seres]

You fell into his faulty logic. Just cause someone is a certain ethnicity doesn't mean they are a scholar of that language. He could be a homeless dude for all anyone knows. Trust me, you are better off going to someone who has expertise.

You are fascinating! Where did you go in order to learn better Russian than the Russians? I may enroll.

[prince_nightcrawler]

I'm a girl, and I speak Russian... if not from birth, then from the age kids learn to speak. I learned to speak at the age of 9 months and now I'm 22 years old.

I'm from the country where Russian is the official first language. Not an American with some Russian background. Also I'm a linguist by education (translator). So how all of that leads to me being an illiterate street urchin?

And as for Достоевский? Dostoyevsky is a bit polonised way but that's an official transliteration so I go with that (it's not like I'm very fond of his "sentimental detectives"(c)Nabokov.)

Well if you have these credentials why did you get so defensive in the first place?

[Steven F.]

You fell into his faulty logic. Just cause someone is a certain ethnicity doesn't mean they are a scholar of that language. He could be a homeless dude for all anyone knows. Trust me, you are better off going to someone who has expertise.

Wow...your "expertise" also makes you very...offputting.

[prince_nightcrawler]

You are fascinating! Where did you go in order to learn better Russian than the Russians? I may enroll.

I learned from the masters.

[Dagger]

That means 'fantastic'.
According to babel fish, it means fabulous. And I trust babel fish because it invented the language lol.

[Charlotte DeBlr]

Marvel doesn't give a crap about native speakers. Marvel comics are americanocentric. You're bothered by a spelling error? Not the fact any country outside the US is portrayed as offensively stereotypical?

I'm pissed at what they did with Darkstar. The girl is the only cool Belarusian to ever appear in comics... and she's got non-existant name and died in a plot devicy way.
Spelling is just a reason for jokes.

The horrible offensive\boring\nonsensical stereotypes are called клюква (cranberry) in Russian (derived from historical anecdote of Alexandre Dumas telling he sat under huge cranberry tree during his visit in Russia (cranberry isn't a tree even in Russia).
http://spidermedia.ru/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14030

That's where the Russian fans gather to have fun at said "cranberry" (it's rather big collection of moments with varying degree of fun).

[prince_nightcrawler]

Wow...you "expertise" also makes you very...offputting.

Thanks. Should I try to be more charismatic?

[Seres]

I learned from the masters.

Are we not meant to discuss the masters in public in case watchful eyes are listening in?

[jester1436]

You fell into his faulty logic. Just cause someone is a certain ethnicity doesn't mean they are a scholar of that language. He could be a homeless dude for all anyone knows. Trust me, you are better off going to someone who has expertise.

How does one decipher inappropriate Russian, when their head is shoved up their own cavernous back passage?

[ExodusCloak]

That theory assumes that:

1) Marvel has any interest in have Emma, the most popular female character at the company currently (with Storm), become a villain. Which also means pass from being the A list to a condition in which she was a C-list character at best.

2) They have any interest in have Xavier become the X-men's daddy again, when everything in the last years has been done to put him away from the team, and the character himself has admitted his time has passed.

Which is, IMO, non-sense.

Plus, Fraction doesn't show Emma questioning Scott's judgement (yet at least) so much as deciding to try to help mutantkind in her own way, and keeping a secret more ouf of spite (as in "oh, he's hiding things, I'll hide too") than anything else.

And with Norman on his way to attack the X-men and control mutantkind, even if Emma *wanted* to go evil, she can't. The premise of the crossover is exactly that Osborn doesn't trust her to get the job done.

If, or when, the X-men split, it won't be between Scott x Emma, even because no one would follow her. It would be between Scott and Emma and another side, whatever that is.

Maybe I should clarify...evil is a bit extreme. That's not what I was implying with the theory. I just meant that she's going to be written as more of a bitch because she seems like she's tired of crap.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I wanna know something...

Am I the only one who was totally creeped out by this notion of a grown man muttering/repeating a DEAD GIRL'S NAME while getting a tatoo...? AFTER he's gotten better at that, lol?

And, hungh, more of the x-club? Damnit.

[Agent_Torpor]

I like that Nabokov's grandfather was the warden at the prison where Достоевский was almost shot and that Nabokov was forever regretful that his grandfather didn't get to shoot the guy in the head before he produced the four worst novels in Russian literature.

Best post in thread, bar none.

[timbox]

Best post in thread, bar none.

I would like dn@n to translate his posts into Arabic.

[darknessatnoon]

I would like dn@n to translate his posts into Arabic.

Posting in French last night exhausted me linguistically. I need Vitesse back to titillate my language centers.

[AcesX1X]

the tattoo doesn't matter, is the big point.

[Hi-Fi]

Posting in French last night exhausted me linguistically. I need Vitesse back to titillate my language centers.
Non je ne regrette rien.

[Mister Jerusalem]

I'm surprised that the Magneto reveal at the end hasn't gotten more dicussion in this thread. I guess if you bring someone back or re-power them enough, even Mags, eventually no one will care.

Also as far as the development of Cyke has been lately, anyone else think that Scott seems to be headed in much the same direction Cable was pre-X-force 25? For those of you who haven't read it, that's when Cable decided to stop keeping secrets for X-force and treat them like family, instead of a military unit.

Scott, even though he was raised to be a leader/general or whatever, has always seen the X-men as more of a family. Now he's going to the direction of a leader of a military unit who is trying to maintain emotional distance from much of the team and keeping secrets from damn near everyone.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Posting in French last night exhausted me linguistically. I need Vitesse back to titillate my language centers.

Never got the answer about wheither the bad grammar was a joke or not...

Oh, and to steer things back on topic, I want a whole issue devoted to a softball games between the two teams made up of Emma's various personalities.

[Omega Alpha]

Maybe I should clarify...evil is a bit extreme. That's not what I was implying with the theory. I just meant that she's going to be written as more of a bitch because she seems like she's tired of crap.

Well, in this issue she was super-super-super nice and a bitch, heh. :biggrin:

But I really don't see Scott and Emma splitting, let alone being in separate and rival teams. It's going to cause a major crisis, but Fraction himself said he loves the relationship, and them trying to work out the issues, while constantly fighting, and then having sex, and then fighting again, has much more story potential than having them just break up, or Emma becoming a completely evil bitch.

Anyway, what's happening in X-force now will cause serious problems, but I could even see bringing them closer later. If there's someone that understands what Scott is going to feel now, a trauma for being in some part responsible for at least one student death, is Emma. .

Plus, if Maddie will really become a recurring villain (if it is Maddie) then it doesn't make much sense for them to be apart.

[Omega Alpha]

Also as far as the development of Cyke has been lately, anyone else think that Scott seems to be headed in much the same direction Cable was pre-X-force 25? For those of you who haven't read it, that's when Cable decided to stop keeping secrets for X-force and treat them like family, instead of a military unit.

Scott, even though he was raised to be a leader/general or whatever, has always seen the X-men as more of a family. Now he's going to the direction of a leader of a military unit who is trying to maintain emotional distance from much of the team and keeping secrets from damn near everyone.

A lot of people here were comparing Scott to Magneto, but I thought I was the only one that was seeing the similarities to Cable. Seem pretty obvious to me.

Since Scott is Nathan's father and raised him to be how he was, and with the son being older than him now, Cable works both as a mirror of Cyke and as an indication of what Scott might become.

Or, putting in other terms, Cable is who he is in good part because of Cyke, so Scott becoming more like him isn't really out of character.

[darknessatnoon]

A lot of people here were comparing Scott to Magneto, but I thought I was the only one that was seeing the similarities to Cable. Seem pretty obvious to me.

Since Scott is Nathan's father and raised him to be how he was, and with the son being older than him now, Cable works both as a mirror of Cyke and as an indication of what Scott might become.

Or, putting in other terms, Cable is who he is in good part because of Cyke, so Scott becoming more like him isn't really out of character.

Cable is the way he is because of Madelyne trying to serve him up as demon supper while a baby. Cyclops had no influence. When he went to the future to raise him, he was still Jean's pet castrato.

[jarrod]

Cable is the way he is because of Madelyne trying to serve him up as demon supper while a baby. Cyclops had no influence. When he went to the future to raise him, he was still Jean's pet castrato.
That was Stryfe. We all know Mother Askani lied.

[darknessatnoon]

That was Stryfe. We all know Mother Askani lied.

Rachel was a bitter Betty once the Phoenix force dumped her butt for something, anything, better.

[jarrod]

Rachel was a bitter Betty once the Phoenix force dumped her butt for something, anything, better.
I'd be bitter too if Lobdell sacrificed my character to be a Cable plot point.

In canon though, Rachel knew clonophobes like Scott and Jean wouldn't bother if they knew "Nathan" was a fake, and she's also afraid of breast feeding. There was no other option.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The book has enough glitches as it is, don't throw in Rach.

And speaking of Jean's pet castrato, we need to start taking bets on how 'long' before Cyke croaks in a certain upcoming book.

[darknessatnoon]

The book has enough glitches as it is, don't throw in Rach.

And speaking of Jean's pet castrato, we need to start taking bets on how 'long' before Cyke croaks in a certain upcoming book.

In the eight page prelude.

[Dagger]

When are we getting to the Summers Revolution?

[jarrod]

When are we getting to the Summers Revolution?
Over in X-Factor, right now(ish). That's as close to SPOILER as I'll get, PAD scares me.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

In the eight page prelude.

LOL Was gonna say as the first arc's big 'shocker' and then have Jean getting it on with both Wolvie and Sabes in the second arc.

No matter how much of a Cyke-sceptic, thou still can bring the awesome. Carry on.

I want your in-depth commentary of the glorious Colossus tattoo parlor scene.

[Dagger]

Over in X-Factor, right now(ish). That's as close to SPOILER as I'll get, PAD scares me.
LOL. He's gonna hunt you down!

[jester1436]

Over in X-Factor, right now(ish). That's as close to SPOILER as I'll get, PAD scares me.

He will microwave and eat Pablo now.

[Dazzler]

Marvel doesn't give a crap about native speakers. Marvel comics are americanocentric. You're bothered by a spelling error? Not the fact any country outside the US is portrayed as offensively stereotypical?

Well, and most places INSIDE the US that aren't NYC, of course you mean.

I'm originally from the same part of the country as Cannonball and Husk, and I can't believe the amount of stereotypes thrown around.

--Dazz

[Pro]

Well, and most places INSIDE the US that aren't NYC, of course you mean.

I'm originally from the same part of the country as Cannonball and Husk, and I can't believe the amount of stereotypes thrown around.

--Dazz

I supose that's true yea. Still at least southerns live in the 19th century instead of the middle ages when it comes to comics. :)

[MartinRedmond]

Posting in French last night exhausted me linguistically. I need Vitesse back to titillate my language centers.

Bonjour!!!! :D

[darknessatnoon]

Bonjour!!!! :D

Gota inoperante, Martin Redmond.

[MartinRedmond]

L'abboné que vous tentez de rejoindre, vous déteste. Ceci était un message enregistré.

[darknessatnoon]

L'abboné que vous tentez de rejoindre, vous déteste. Ceci était un message enregistré.

Je parle vrai français. Je ne marmonne pas dans le quebecois.

[Pro]

Papa fume une pipe dans la garage.

I really need to brush up on my french ..