CBR: X-POSITION: Craig Kyle & Christoper Yost

[CBR News]

The "X-Force" writing team of Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost answer your questions about clones and action figures, "X-Force/Cable: Messiah War," and then set Glob Herman on fire...


Full article here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20459).

[Novaya Havoc]

LOL @ SHARIF'S QUESTION! <3 Love it.

Love the interview, one thing excepted: "keep your eyes on BEAST."

Unless this results in his death, I am not interested in Beast.

[timbox]

Surge! Do your worst, Chris Yost!

[DeniseXfrost]

who's the blonde girl?

[RoguefanAM]

Is that surge!?

When the heck did that happen?

hasn't been keeping up with X-force

[lockerogue]

How did she capture surge and who is that mysterious blonde woman.

[Seres]

I've seen one preview page, and already Beast has been acting completely out of character. He has been successful in something.

Stop making Beast into a Marty Sue, Kyle and Yost!

[Justin K.]

OMG!
Surge is back!
Lovin' Crain's art

[Home made ectoplasm]

OMG!
Surge is back!
Lovin' Crain's art

Not for long

[Twisted Bliss]

Was that Boom Boom ?

i.e living up to her codename ?!?!

[Hakael]

Holy crap. They've got Surge, Hellion, and who's the last one? Meltdown?

wow. I'm biting my nails for tomorrow.

[DeniseXfrost]

Was that Boom Boom ?

i.e living up to her codename ?!?!
Great! I hope it's Boom Boom?

[lockerogue]

Was that Boom Boom ?

i.e living up to her codename ?!?!

I read it again and I think it is her. It looks like she's wearing her Nextwave costume.

[Seres]

I read it again and I think it is her. It looks like she's wearing her Nextwave costume.

I think it's Darkstar.

[Justin K.]

who's the blonde girl?

Could that be
Boom-Boom?

[RoguefanAM]

Are spoiler tags really necessary? They're preview pages and coming to a thread not expecting some type of spoilers is...

If they are, I should edit my post. ;;^^

[Prodigy55]

Oh no!
If both Surge and Hellion die, I'm going to stab a mofo
Who is that blond chick?

EDIT: I think it is Boom Boom
Please don't kill her :(

[ExodusCloak]

[spoilBoom-Boom? That's the only one who I can think of.[/spoil]

Crap never mind I'm late.

[Pixie_Solanas]

LOL @ SHARIF'S QUESTION! <3 Love it.

Love the interview, one thing excepted: "keep your eyes on BEAST."

Unless this results in his death, I am not interested in Beast.

That was a sexy question. I hope Warren and X-23 have nasty grudgesex.

[Prodigy55]

Yes, I think it is her Nextwave costume without the jacket.

[Seres]

Surge and Hellion are both going to be killed!

Kyle and Yost are superb writers. I fully expect Boom Boom/Darkstar to escape. Surge and Hellion are doomed, though.

Amen to the Leper Queen.

[Prodigy55]

I think if Surge and Hellion are both being sent to the same place, they might not die. If they can save one, they may be able to save the other...

Boom Boom has yet to be injected so she might be saved too!

[Justin K.]

LOL at the Messiah War preview
Loving Domino and Deadpool's interaction

[Seres]

I think if Surge and Hellion are both being sent to the same place, they might not die. If they can save one, they may be able to save the other...


No. They will both die.

[Prodigy55]

No. They will both die.

No.
I will give you Hellion.
But Surge will not die.

It will probably end up as them saving Surge first, thinking they have time to get to Hellion, but he'll die right before they get to him... making X-23 sad and hate herself for saving Surge first (as she should).

[Home made ectoplasm]

You know that if three mutants have been injected, there is no way X Force will manage to save them all.

[Hakael]

This is a distraction. Its mentioned that they wouldn't have even known Hellion and Surge were abducted if Pierce hadn't blabbed about it. They were never meant to be killed, or maybe their deaths would be an added bonus... but it wasn't the goal here. Bastion's gonna be up to something else we don't know about.

[Prodigy55]

And I noticed Surge was wearing her old New Mutants uniform, why?
Also she's got a pot-belly going on.

[Seres]

No.
I will give you Hellion.
But Surge will not die.

It will probably end up as them saving Surge first, thinking they have time to get to Hellion, but he'll die right before they get to him... making X-23 sad and hate herself for saving Surge first (as she should).

I'm glad that you are finally willing to accept Julian Keller's death.
Sadly, Surge will also be killed.

Don't worry though! Boom Boom will avenge them for you, and then join X-Force.
Because the Marvel Writers love me.

[Home made ectoplasm]

This is a distraction. Its mentioned that they wouldn't have even known Hellion and Surge were abducted if Pierce hadn't blabbed about it. They were never meant to be killed, or maybe their deaths would be an added bonus... but it wasn't the goal here. Bastion's gonna be up to something else we don't know about.

Sort of... their deaths will be the distraction

[chickrockguitar]

Crap! Surge!! Please don't kil her! (or Hellion!) Please!! :eek:

[Prodigy55]

LOL. Cyclops is masturbating when Beast calls him.

[Justin K.]

Am I the only one thinking it will be Hellion biting the dust?
In the future, X-Force walk by the United Nations, where Julian and Noriko are both being sent.
There's an energy field above it, seen at night. It' green. Not so much a field, but it looks like an aura
Could it be a coincidence or a look into the future?

[lockerogue]

What kind of lotion is Surge using to glisten like that? Bitch is shiny.

[HeckBoy]

That was a sexy question. I hope Warren and X-23 have nasty grudgesex.Hey now. Warren only goes for barely-legal girls. X-23's just under that threshold IIRC. :tongue:

Anyway, Surge getting tagged was really surprising. Geez, the X-Men just can't seem to keep an eye on their kids one way or another. The situation with her and Hellion makes it feel like only one's going to be saved, so I hope it's Julian. There's enough young Japanese girls in the Marvel U as it is anyway.

[chickrockguitar]

No. Hellion will be fine.

[Seres]

No. Hellion will be fine.

I'm going to miss him too :frown:

[Grunty]

Hellion? Surge? Boom Boom?

I said it before i say it again. The X-men are truely the WORST at keeping track on their comrades and especialy students.
There is no other explanations how this could have happend, or how Nightcrawler in WATX could get captured by Mystique on their front lawn, or how dozens of mutants could get cruzified IN FRONT OF THEIR MANSION!!!
Does no one of the X-men ever look out of their windows?

It really doesn't wonder me anymore how they could NOT notice the existance of neverland, that hundred of mutants could just dissappear including some friends of them.
Also how the hell could a few half-brained extremist capture Surge and especialy Boom Boom who is a veteran already.

Anyway the X-possition wasn't very intresting for me. Also not much new except those previews.

[Twisted Bliss]

Surge croaks.

Dom will shoot the glass part of the needle. So even if the Leper Queen does try to shove it in Boom Boom's neck the liquid will be all over the floor. Thereby rendering that threat useless.

Then comes the hunt for the remaining two targets.

Given Julian's attitude we'll be lead to believe that he is going to die. Laura goes off to save him on her own. Disobeying Wolverine who has decided they have a better chance at rescuing Surge.

Last scene a massive explosion occurs. With the reader left hanging as to who it was the died.

Well that's my guess anyhow. Cause that's how I'd do it.

[lockerogue]

Surge croaks.

Dom will shoot the glass part of the needle. So even if the Leper Queen does try to shove it in Boom Boom's neck the liquid will be all over the floor. Thereby rendering that threat useless.

Then comes the hunt for the remaining two targets.

Given Julian's attitude we'll be lead to believe that he is going to die. Laura goes off to save him on her own. Disobeying Wolverine who has decided they have a better chance at rescuing Surge.

Last scene a massive explosion occurs. With the reader left hanging as to who it was the died.

Well that's my guess anyhow. Cause that's how I'd do it.

Stop trying to keep that boy alive. Let them both die.

[Prodigy55]

Cyclops and Beast have nice butts.

[lockerogue]

double post

[greenshoes713]

who's the blonde girl?

How did she capture surge and who is that mysterious blonde woman.

:eek: It's Boom-Boom!

Not for long

Stow it!

Crap I don't want anyone to die!

[HeckBoy]

http://comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/messiahwar/XFCABMW001_Page_4.jpg

I wonder if James can actually still fly. Seems like Dom's joking about it, so I assume he still has the ability, if not the skill, to do so.

[Prodigy55]

Is that present Deadpool or future-Deadpool because they only had 7 devices so how could 8 people go? Plus his uniform looks tattered.

[Leirus]

Argh !! "They are yanked out at the worst of the times"...

And what if they donot manage to save anybody because of the crossover?

Or they lost one of them because of that...

But... but this involves timetravel, so could they go back and save her/him in time this time? I know that did not work for Stacy-X, but come on...

Also... what the hell was doing Cyclops when Beast called him? Because that scene disconected looks like he is looking for his "Victoria Secret" catalogue...

[Justin K.]

Is that present Deadpool or future-Deadpool because they only had 7 devices so how could 8 people go? Plus his uniform looks tattered.

I haven't really read cable and deadpool, so correct me if I'm wrong
but didn't Cable provide Deadpool with a time/teleport device?

[ALEX-23]

More Choi and more attention for X-23! I'm in !:biggrin:

[Pach!]

lmao i fucking love this page.

i love that cyclops just sits there doing nothing for hours probably.

http://comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/messiahwar/XFORCE013_Page_3.jpg

[Falconen]

I think Hellion will be saved by either Eli Bard or Selene. The interview did mention that the relationship between Selene and Julian would be touched upon soon.
Of course, he might be killed off, and that might be a reason for Selene and X-Force to team up against Bastion and Co. Her mutant abilities would be of great assistance against those who have been resurrected via the Transmode Virus. She could probably just reduce the tech to dust and they would become "inactive"

[Prodigy55]

He was obviously getting in the mood, then when he moved his hand into position, he was interrupted.

He only needed a minute, Beast is so impatient.

[Pach!]

He was obviously getting in the mood, then when he moved his hand into position, he was interrupted.

He only needed a minute, Beast is so impatient.

there is no zipper in the condom suit.

[Leirus]

there is no zipper in the condom suit.

Well, it is a condom suit after all, no need of a zipper...

[Prodigy55]

there is no zipper in the condom suit.

Who says he's even wearing pants?

[FemGeek]

That was one sexy X-Position. The previews were awesome Deadpool! Surge! What appears to be BoomBoom! Wowsers.
However, I am dissapointed by the obvious lack of Rahne. Heres hoping she aint ignored for the next few months.

[cgar]

i was gonnasay Husk but Boom Boom makes more sense..yah and one of them is going to die. Kind of sucks that we see them just to die though. They could of done some more stuff

[Pach!]

Who says he's even wearing pants?

that is a onesie.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Oh hellz yes to Cyke masterbating under the mahogany conference table as he's waiting for Hank to patch in.

I'm buying the issue just for that alone.

[darknessatnoon]

i was gonnasay Husk but Boom Boom makes more sense..yah and one of them is going to die. Kind of sucks that we see them just to die though. They could of done some more stuff

I would like to see Husk injected with the legacy virus. How much skin would she shed?

[Prodigy55]

that is a onesie.

How do you think he gets into it?

[Vanish]

This page (http://comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/messiahwar/XFCABMW001_Page_4.jpg) is full of WIN.

OMG priceless.

Ahhh poor Surge. Hahaha despite the New X-Men call to death, I actually hope only one of Hellion and Surge dies. Both would be overboard, but one must go.

[greenshoes713]

That was one sexy X-Position. The previews were awesome Deadpool! Surge! What appears to be BoomBoom! Wowsers.
However, I am dissapointed by the obvious lack of Rahne. Heres hoping she aint ignored for the next few months.

Hey, FemGeek!

Its been awhile!

[Come To Deathstrike]

If they kill my beloved Boom-Boom then I will go Novaya Havoc on this book.

[Hakael]

That was one sexy X-Position. The previews were awesome Deadpool! Surge! What appears to be BoomBoom! Wowsers.
However, I am dissapointed by the obvious lack of Rahne. Heres hoping she aint ignored for the next few months.

She's too busy making puppies.

Also, Deadpool is going to be awesome. Julian and Nori need to make it out of this, haters be hating. I can't wait until I get to read this.

[Prodigy55]

This page (http://comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/messiahwar/XFCABMW001_Page_4.jpg) is full of WIN.


Elixir and Deadpool are so cute!

[Pach!]

How do you think he gets into it?

Through the face hole.

[greenshoes713]

If they kill my beloved Boom-Boom then I will go Novaya Havoc on this book.

You'd better!

[Greg Anderson]

If you all really cared bout Yost you'd buy his Image book, Killer of Demons. :tongue: :wink:






I'm serious. :redface:

[darknessatnoon]

If they kill my beloved Boom-Boom then I will go Novaya Havoc on this book.

I have never seen Boom Boom dress so trampily. I think it must be Husk.

[Pixie_Solanas]

This page (http://comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/messiahwar/XFCABMW001_Page_4.jpg) is full of WIN.

OMG priceless.

Ahhh poor Surge. Hahaha despite the New X-Men call to death, I actually hope only one of Hellion and Surge dies. Both would be overboard, but one must go.

I find it utterly ironic that Elixir has the nerve to ask "Who IS this guy?"

LOL.

[Hi-Fi]

This page (http://comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/messiahwar/XFCABMW001_Page_4.jpg) is full of WIN.

OMG priceless.

Ahhh poor Surge. Hahaha despite the New X-Men call to death, I actually hope only one of Hellion and Surge dies. Both would be overboard, but one must go.
Hello, you!

[Pixie_Solanas]

I have never seen Boom Boom dress so trampily. I think it must be Husk.

Austen Husk has been stricken from the continuity scrolls.

Lobdell Husk had a sexy bookworm hayseed farmer's daughter thing goin' on.

[Justin K.]

http://comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/messiahwar/XFCABMW001_Page_4.jpg

I wonder if James can actually still fly. Seems like Dom's joking about it, so I assume he still has the ability, if not the skill, to do so.

Am I the only one who thinks the Green Energy could be from Hellion?
Who knows how long mutant energies can linger, even if the UN was rebuilt

[Til]

Surge! D: D: D: D: D:

If Surge dies and Hellion lives, Fever Pitch from last issue will be nothing compared to my vengeance.

[Prodigy55]

I have never seen Boom Boom dress so trampily. I think it must be Husk.

That's her Nextwave costume minus the coat.

Husk would never be captured.

[Seres]

If they kill my beloved Boom-Boom then I will go Novaya Havoc on this book.

Wolverine and Domino will struggle to decide which of the three to save. This will take a page. Then Tabby will be all BOOM and escape because she is smart, and leave those losers to go save the kids or whatever.

Boom Boom is an important character. Not even Kyle and Yost will be allowed to kill her.

[FemGeek]

Hey, FemGeek!

Its been awhile!

Hey there yourself, it has been a while indeed. XForce always peeks my interest.

She's too busy making puppies.

Also, Deadpool is going to be awesome. Julian and Nori need to make it out of this, haters be hating. I can't wait until I get to read this.

I hope it wont be a case of 'meanwhile, while everyone else saves the world, Rahne is at home being naughty with a werewolf and/or crying.'
And yes, Deadpool will be most awesome. I will settle for nothing less.

[Vanish]

Elixir and Deadpool are so cute!

They are all cute, Prodigy!

I have never seen Boom Boom dress so trampily. I think it must be Husk.

I thought it was Husk too at first!

Because of a tie to Warren and...well the slut attire.

Hello, you!

You dialed, my love?
<3333333333333333333333333todeath

[podmark]

Damn Yost and Kyle are at it again. STOP KILLING MY NEW X-MEN!!!
Husk was my first thought but Boom-Boom makes more sense.


SOO looking forward to this.

[darknessatnoon]

Austen Husk has been stricken from the continuity scrolls.

Lobdell Husk had a sexy bookworm hayseed farmer's daughter thing goin' on.

That's too bad. Austen was the only writer to ever write a decent, interesting, Husk.

That's her Nextwave costume minus the coat.

Husk would never be captured.

Oh, she is a tramp then.

I am grateful my question was answered. It seems we should expect Archangel and X-23 to try to kill one another down the line.

[darknessatnoon]

I thought it was Husk too at first!

Because of a tie to Warren and...well the slut attire.



Come to think of it, Vanisher used to be Boom Boom's pimp and she has a "mommy" thing going on with Domino, too.

[Pixie_Solanas]

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo245/mustafe9/HuskGenX.jpg
She was adorable! You just want to pinch those precocious little cheeks. Either kind.

[Seres]

Come to think of it, Vanisher used to be Boom Boom's pimp and she has a "mommy" thing going on with Domino, too.

I think it is Darkstar. She will block Vanisher's ability to use the darkforce and he will be shot.

[Prodigy55]

I think it is Darkstar. She will block Vanisher's ability to use the darkforce and he will be shot.

Please.... she was already taken care of.

[Peter F.]

Is that present Deadpool or future-Deadpool because they only had 7 devices so how could 8 people go? Plus his uniform looks tattered.

That's future Deadpool. He got locked in a freezer for a thousand years and X-Force and Cable let him out.

[Justin K.]

Loving the Domino babysitter role
Deadpool there is gonna be priceless
along with Vanisher. overall, I'd say Elixir's more mature than those 2

[darknessatnoon]

That's future Deadpool. He got locked in a freezer for a thousand years and X-Force and Cable let him out.

I think all you would need to freeze is the head. Once you thawed it out, the rest of the body would grow back.

[Seres]

Please.... she was already taken care of.

Tell that to Fred Van Lente. Darkstar has returned to the Marvel Universe!
Just in time to see Hellion leave!

[Justin K.]

That's future Deadpool. He got locked in a freezer for a thousand years and X-Force and Cable let him out.

I haven't really read cable and deadpool, so correct me if I'm wrong
but didn't Cable provide Deadpool with a time/teleport device?
*Happened around X-men #200.

[Peter F.]

I think all you would need to freeze is the head. Once you thawed it out, the rest of the body would grow back.

Actually I remember a scene towards the end of the Cable and Deadpool series, Wolverine decapitated Wade. He said that Weasel and Bob Agent of HYDRA had a few minutes to put the head back on the body before the brain died of oxygen deprivation.

[Prodigy55]

Tell that to Fred Van Lente. Darkstar has returned to the Marvel Universe!
Just in time to see Hellion leave!

Fantomex would not allow it.

[Hakael]

Am I the only one who thinks the Green Energy could be from Hellion?
Who knows how long mutant energies can linger, even if the UN was rebuilt

Its possible, but if one or both Julian and Nori die there, I think Josh would be a bit more freaked out than he seems to be.

The only thing I can think of aside from it being something else, is maybe Hellion was able to concentrate enough to fly them up, and away from the building. I can't think there'd be much building left otherwise if those two detonate at full power.

[Seres]

Fantomex would not allow it.

Fantomex never existed. He was Magneto.

These New X-Men characters are dropping like flies! Wolfcub, Hellion, Dust, and Surge are all dead! At least we still have Match, Trance, Loa and Pixie still around, eh?

[Vanish]

Maybe this arc is meant to be the deconstruction of Elixir into the creepster villain we all know he could be!

[Peter F.]

Yeah it looks like those time travel devices will detect Cable, and activate sending X-Force to the future before they can save Hellion and Surge.

Boom-Boom(?) is probably safe, X-Force is right there.

[Prodigy55]

Fantomex never existed. He was Magneto.

These New X-Men characters are dropping like flies! Wolfcub, Hellion, Dust, and Surge are all dead! At least we still have Match, Trance, Loa and Pixie still around, eh?

I would post a picture of dead Darkstar, but I don't want to derail the thread further.

Oooh, maybe when all the important NXM kids die, Trance and Loa can get into the spotlight.

[darknessatnoon]

Actually I remember a scene towards the end of the Cable and Deadpool series, Wolverine decapitated Wade. He said that Weasel and Bob Agent of HYDRA had a few minutes to put the head back on the body before the brain died of oxygen deprivation.

What brain?

[Seres]

I would post a picture of dead Darkstar, but I don't want to derail the thread further.

Oooh, maybe when all the important NXM kids die, Trance and Loa can get into the spotlight.

There are no pictures of dead Darkstar. She didn't die on-panel. This will all be discussed further during The Darkstar Wars.

Stop derailing the thread! I wonder how Vanisher got his ear back.

[Hakael]

I would post a picture of dead Darkstar, but I don't want to derail the thread further.

Oooh, maybe when all the important NXM kids die, Trance and Loa can get into the spotlight.

As much as I like Loa, and to a lesser degree, Trance... not worth it.

Seres is too happy about this, vengeance of a Wallflower fan I guess. And Josh healed Vanisher.

[Prodigy55]

Elixir probably healed it back.

[darknessatnoon]

Does Elixir have the power to heal Deadpool's face?

[podmark]

Maybe this arc is meant to be the deconstruction of Elixir into the creepster villain we all know he could be!

Well we know that Hellion and Surge do get infected, so it's all on Elixir now.

I'm betting he saves them. He just doesn't look that upset in the Prologue pages. Elixir is pretty unstable emotionally he'd be going nuts if he left them to die.

[Hakael]

Does Elixir have the power to heal Deadpool's face?

Thats a damn good question. Probably not without taking away his healing factor.

[Seres]

Seres is too happy about this, vengeance of a Wallflower fan I guess.

At the end of the day, the death of all these New X-Men means more panel-time for Pixie.

[Hakael]

At the end of the day, the death of all these New X-Men means more panel-time for Pixie.

Her panel time in Uncanny isn't terrible enough?

[Prodigy55]

Seres stop pretending to like Pixie.

[lockerogue]

Dust is still alive.

[Vanish]

There are no pictures of dead Darkstar. She didn't die on-panel. This will all be discussed further during The Darkstar Wars.

Stop derailing the thread! I wonder how Vanisher got his ear back.

Just like Risque.

Hmmm....I'm starting to think there's a connection.

And this book has Warpath! Who loves Risque!

I bet she has a shot at becoming America's next best TK on the planet.

[Seres]

Her panel time in Uncanny isn't terrible enough?

Seres stop pretending to like Pixie.

I am wallowing in my victory. Nobody ever said I would be a noble winner.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3654/3358149318_d71b3da8ff.jpg

I will be sad that they are gone, really. I like variety, and 'annoying' is, at the very least, a defined personality.

[rojash]

Sometimes I'm not sure if I should be reading X-Force or just letting it slip through the satellite cracks.

[Prodigy55]

Sometimes I'm not sure if I should be reading X-Force or just letting it slip through the satellite cracks.

Are you kidding, they might be killing 2 of my favourite characters and this is still the best Marvel comic.

[CMBMOOL]

At the end of the day, the death of all these New X-Men means more panel-time for Pixie.
Then she, out of everybody else, deserves to die the most. :mad:

[rojash]

Are you kidding, they might be killing 2 of my favourite characters and this is still the best Marvel comic.

I have a love/hate relationship with the satellite books, since I don't think they've really carried a sense of being important before, other than their sporadic involvement in crossovers.

A good example would be New X-Men/Academy X, where it really had no overall impact on the line, it was just there. Same with X-Force (Vol 1), or X-Factor (Vol 1), even the solo books, like Rogue, Gambit, and Cable.

It's great that each book has its own identity, but I've never ever got the sense from them that they were important to the overall existence of the X-Men, that I get from Uncanny, Legacy, or even Astonishing.

[Assemble]

Legendary. Thats all I can say.:cool: :cool: :cool:

[Optic Rage!]

I'm glad that you are finally willing to accept Julian Keller's death.
Sadly, Surge will also be killed.

Don't worry though! Boom Boom will avenge them for you, and then join X-Force.
Because the Marvel Writers love me.

You might not want to count all your egg's just yet...

[rwsmith]

I'm interested in seeing where this goes, but since this is only Act II of the Mutant Messiah trilogy something tells me that it will end with Cable and Hope still in the future.

Probably for the best, though, as I don't really know where Cable would fit in with the X-men's current direction in the present. I don't see them messing with the team dynamic in X-Force by adding him to the cast since Wolverine is clearly the field leader and it's working quite well that way. And in Uncanny I just feel like he would be out of character unquestioningly taking orders from his dad, plus Fraction doesn't seem to have any love for the character anyway (he seems to prefer playing with the mainstays like Cyclops, Beast, Emma, Colossus, Angel and, of course, Wolverine). If Nate does come back, I suspect no one would really know what to do with him, so we'd probably end up with another Cable/Deadpool scenario where nothing that happens in his solo book is really referenced in any of the other books. He'd just be out on the fringe like he is now, but in the present.

That's why I think he'll remain in the future until Hope is full grown (at which point he'll probably die or something). Or until another writer comes along like Mike Carey who wants to add him to their X-men roster in a way that makes sense and where he is utilized well.

Regardless, this crossover looks good. Can't wait to see X-Force versus Stryfe!

[Seres]

You might not want to count all your egg's just yet...

Nothing can stop me now! Pixie, Boom Boom, Polaris, Darkstar and Molly are all in place to take over the X-Men books!

Everything has fallen into place...

[darknessatnoon]

I have a love/hate relationship with the satellite books, since I don't think they've really carried a sense of being important before, other than their sporadic involvement in crossovers.

A good example would be New X-Men/Academy X, where it really had no overall impact on the line, it was just there. Same with X-Force (Vol 1), or X-Factor (Vol 1), even the solo books, like Rogue, Gambit, and Cable.

It's great that each book has its own identity, but I've never ever got the sense from them that they were important to the overall existence of the X-Men, that I get from Uncanny, Legacy, or even Astonishing.

That's a very strange opinion. At least on this forum, most people don't care what happens in Legacy. And I say that as its biggest fan here. But even all the work Carey does with someone like, say, Shaw, gets ignored line wide if Fraction or anyone else wants Shaw.

X-Force is the book where things happen. Maybe you're right about other satellites, but this is basically the new flagship.

[Prodigy55]

Oh man, I shouldn't have read this :(
I won't be able to get comics until maybe Friday this week.

[rojash]

That's a very strange opinion. At least on this forum, most people don't care what happens in Legacy. And I say that as its biggest fan here. But even all the work Carey does with someone like, say, Shaw, gets ignored line wide if Fraction or anyone else wants Shaw.

X-Force is the book where things happen. Maybe you're right about other satellites, but this is basically the new flagship.

I care about Legacy because I have an attachment to Rogue, and right now it's my favourite X-Book, but I was mostly using it in my example as part of it's pre-Legacy, and possibly post-Legacy, positioning.

I'm not trying to imply that X-Force is a bad book by any means, the problem is easily from the X-Office. They've published so many titles over the years, pushed out so many different series that simply get ignored or die, that I take each satellite book with a grain of salt.

X-Force may be the coolest thing since sliced bread, but Marvel has never made any other satellite seem important, that it just feels like to me that it can be missed, and that's not the fault of this book.

Plus, I kind of passed on it as well because I honestly was not at all interested in Kyle & Yost's work thanks to reading New X-Men.

[RoguishGurl]

Well, if Hellion has to die, at least Surge will die too.

[FroFroYo]

Loa would never be captured so easily.

But that won't stop me from saying:

SURGE!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

D:

[PunisherFan]

Man i'm loving the standoff with the Leper Queen. Such a shame the crossover comes next month...does that mean this story will pick up after or is this the end. I'd rather see Boom-Boom go out of all 3. Too many New X-Men have died lately to kill off 1 or 2 more.

[SayOcean]

Please Husk already had the Legacy virus....that sh!t is old news to her....these kids need to keep up.

why does surge and boom boom tits look like they are experiencing middle age spread. If Boom Boom diesy than i would like those other two kids to die to, Surege really didnt do much for me...she was to white washed, and maybe hellion can turn back into a spoiled prick....

so i really dont care

but the book looks AWESOME

[sneggz]

I haven't really read cable and deadpool, so correct me if I'm wrong
but didn't Cable provide Deadpool with a time/teleport device?
*Happened around X-men #200.

It was a teleporter that was routed through Providence. Doesn't work anymore since Cable blew up Providence. And no to the time travel of it.

[sneggz]

Does Elixir have the power to heal Deadpool's face?

He could. It wouldn't matter tho, his healing factor would just replace the nice skin cells with fucked up ones.

[Toboe]

Am I the only one who actually likes Hellion and Surge? :redface:

[XaviersMisprint]

Boom Boom, Surge, and Hellion!?!?!? Nooooo! I love all three of them! Hellion the least, but still! If this was three or four years ago, I'd say sure, kill them all, who cares? But Boom Boom is now a favorite as well as a fan-favorite of many thanks to NEXTWAVE which basically revitalized her character and pretty much defined her for her entire future as a character. If they kill her now, all that fun with her will be lost! Surge also has a lot of potential as does Hellion. They are pretty much set to be the future of the X-Men. Knowing Kyle and Yost do not mess around, this really bothers me. So does the size of Boom Boom and Surge's breasts and the glare of their skin but that is besides the point.

Fever Pitch and Beautiful Dreamer were enough. And I actually really liked both of them so I'm sort of sad they are gone! Honestly. All of the D-Listers are being killed and they're moving on to the B-Listers now. :(

Save them and join X-Force! Soon please!

[Hakael]

Am I the only one who actually likes Hellion and Surge? :redface:

I believe i've been quoted as liking both, but apparently that's not very cool.

[Assemble]

Am I the only one who actually likes Hellion and Surge? :redface:

I kinda like both, actually.

[podmark]

For some reason it's apparently cool to hate them right now. Well actually that's what this place is usually like :D

[RickyD410]

Am I the only one who actually likes Hellion and Surge? :redface:

I like both!


X-23 and Elixir need to save them!! Aaaaah I hate that the UK doesnt get their books until Thursday! I'm going to miss out on so much discussion tomorrow!!

[Prodigy55]

Upon further review, that is definitely not Surge.
Just some middle aged cosplayer.

[SynthesisNY]

Using Boom Boom as a "suicide bomb" is so incredibly appropriate, can't believe no one saw this coming! If the Leper Queen wants a human bomb, get the mutant who literally makes bombs!

I hope she doesn't go boom boom for real though. I hope none of them die, but someone likely will.

I bet Boomer is saved, otherwise Domino would not be making jokes with Warpath in Messiah War Prologue.

Then the team head for the United Nations building to save Julian and Surge, but before they arrive, they get teleported away courtesy of Cyclops/Beast. That's why Josh and Laura are somewhat calm in Messiah War Prologue, because their friends didn't die yet, and they will likely be teleported back to the same time and location and can save them later. But one or both will die. So sad.

Are there 2 more parts to suicide leper storyarc after Messiah War?

[Trississ]

Hellion will survive. X-23 will save him, but the Cuckoos will have to wipe his memory so he won't remember that she saved him again.

[Vanish]

LOL I don't think its cool to dislike Hellion and Surge. Quite the contrary, if you can go against the grain I can admire that and be susceptible to liking them again.

OMG THUMBELINA.

But the two in particular have been far too angsty lately. It hasn't been a good look.

When New Mutants was on the scene, Surge was my favorite; and back in N&C's New X-Men I loved Hellion. But since then Anole and now Dust are stealing their shine while they're breaking into cabins and hobo's shopping carts like some rude lil' muddahz.

NOT A FAN.

[lockerogue]

LOL I don't think its cool to dislike Hellion and Surge. Quite the contrary, if you can go against the grain I can admire that and be susceptible to liking them again.

OMG THUMBELINA.

But the two in particular have been far too angsty lately. It hasn't been a good look.

When New Mutants was on the scene, Surge was my favorite; and back in N&C's New X-Men I loved Hellion. But since then Anole and now Dust are stealing their shine while they're breaking into cabins and hobo's shopping carts like some rude lil' muddahz.

NOT A FAN.

Hobo shopping carts? When did this happen.

[wolvie616]

Surge!
Boom Boom!
Hellion!
Deadpool!

Genius!!!!

[x_goalkeeper]

If that is Surge, I may have to buy X-Force #13 :smile:

[Justin K.]

If that is Surge, I may have to buy X-Force #13 :smile:

it is her, tied up next to Hellion

[x_goalkeeper]

it is her, tied up next to Hellion

I thought that was her! There are not too many blue haired people :biggrin:

[darkblue]

I thought that was her! There are not too many blue haired people :biggrin:

It also says her name in the preview and her having blue hair is reason enough to keep her alive

[Justin K.]

I thought that was her! There are not too many blue haired people :biggrin:

We still got Beast and Nightcrawler.

[ALEX-23]

It also says her name in the preview and her having blue hair is reason enough to keep her alive

But somebody has to die, I can see it coming!

[Colby]

Loved that interview with Kyle and Yost, and if it made me anticipate Messiah War and X-Force in general even more. Plus a X-23 centric storyline, which is always fun to hear.

[jsterron]

God, what terrible time-travel writing... "How much time do we have?" "Not much..."

Um, really? They have all the time in the world: once they know the point in time they're traveling to, they can depart for it whenever they feel like it. He'll always be there at that point in time. Find a different narrative reason for urgency... One that makes sense.

[cgar]

i still dont get why there killing off so many mutants. i mean yah to show that theres danger but wtf mutants are done. you cant bring a species back with 194 mutants. i guess its good that yost and kyle got us to care about the character but shit your killing them off now. lame

plus they got caught to easy.

[Justin K.]

i still dont get why there killing off so many mutants. i mean yah to show that theres danger but wtf mutants are done. you cant bring a species back with 194 mutants. i guess its good that yost and kyle got us to care about the character but shit your killing them off now. lame

plus they got caught to easy.

If they showed Hellion getting captured
I'll wonder if they show Boom-Boom and Surge's capture too

[Novaya Havoc]

If they kill my beloved Boom-Boom then I will go Novaya Havoc on this book.

No. You will not.

I love X-Force. My power will shine over yours. You cannot go "Novaya Havoc" on a book I like. Only on one I despise. Such as Uncanny X-Men.

The preview is hot. The Leper Queen is the all-star villain of 2009. And that blond chick is sex.

[coconutphone]

KYLE: Ah yes. So there will be a scuba-set of X-Force attacking Atlantis – that’s gonna be amazing…

LOL. Amazing.

[DeniseXfrost]

It's never cool to like Surge.

[Prodigy55]

At least the Leper Queen was not stupid enough to go after a Cuckoo, she would be all "DUTT mindraped" if she tried.

[Disgruntled1]

Fantomex would not allow it. Didn't Wolverine kill Fantomex at the end of Weapon X # 25?

[MuhollandDriver]

i like Hellion and Surge...was never a huge fan....but i like them.

As for the possibility of one dying....i love KY a lot but i am a bit tired of them using this for dramatic effect....it comes across as histrionic.

Especially with where mutants are at....

We have a very limited pool of mutants to select from. i am not saying they should be exempt from killing...but the rate these writers are going...there might not be any left. Creating characters like Ink do not solve the issue.

i also get a bit tired of the youth team being so friggin vulnerable. If they want to seem like they are taking a real risk...throw a classic character in there.

i am already a bit sad that beautiful dreamer and fever pitch are dead...that is enough. You had Your bus explosion, gunshots to the head, and so on. i know these writers are bloodbath happy...and they can continue to be so and try something different. Heck..for these two...having everyone come out intact, and believably so, would be an artistic risk. They did it in Quest for Magik and other arcs. You can still create a great, surprising story with these characters in tact.

[Novaya Havoc]

i like Hellion and Surge...was never a huge fan....but i like them.

As for the possibility of one dying....i love KY a lot but i am a bit tired of them using this for dramatic effect....it comes across as histrionic.

Especially with where mutants are at....

We have a very limited pool of mutants to select from. i am not saying they should be exempt from killing...but the rate these writers are going...there might not be any left. Creating characters like Ink do not solve the issue.

i also get a bit tired of the youth team being so friggin vulnerable. If they want to seem like they are taking a real risk...throw a classic character in there.

i am already a bit sad that beautiful dreamer and fever pitch are dead...that is enough. You had Your bus explosion, gunshots to the head, and so on. i know these writers are bloodbath happy...and they can continue to be so and try something different. Heck..for these two...having everyone come out intact, and believably so, would be an artistic risk. They did it in Quest for Magik and other arcs. You can still create a great, surprising story with these characters in tact.

I love it. The deaths of random cameos such as Beautiful Dreamer and Fever Pitch gave me a sense of emotional investment and urgency I haven't felt since Good Exiles.

Kudos. Mad props. Now KILL BEAST!

[MuhollandDriver]

I love it. The deaths of random cameos such as Beautiful Dreamer and Fever Pitch gave me a sense of emotional investment and urgency I haven't felt since Good Exiles.

Kudos. Mad props. Now KILL BEAST!

Yes...:).....Beautiful Dreamer and Fever Pitch packed quite a wallup...moreso than i expected.....i think adding another New X-Man to the mix, whether You like them or not, runs the risk of being a bit too histrionic and over the top.

We keep running out of mutants. Unless that Messiah Baby starts doing the messiah-shake soon...we are going to run out of characters to write about.

i am not really interested in reading a book solely with Wolverine, Scott, Beast, and Emma.

My lack of enthusiasm for Uncanny being the perfect example.

[Novaya Havoc]

Yes...:).....Beautiful Dreamer and Fever Pitch packed quite a wallup...moreso than i expected.....i think adding another New X-Man to the mix, whether You like them or not, runs the risk of being a bit too histrionic and over the top.

We keep running out of mutants. Unless that Messiah Baby starts doing the messiah-shake soon...we are going to run out of characters to write about.

i am not really interested in reading a book solely with Wolverine, Scott, Beast, and Emma.

My lack of enthusiasm for Uncanny being the perfect example.

There is still the elegant Lois London to write about. Or Skids.

[Prodigy55]

I'm going to cry if Surge dies, I have already braced myself for Hellion by crying a little each day since it was "hinted/rumoured" (aka confirmed).... but I was not prepared for Surge. Poor Noriko, all she ever wanted was to be accepted by her father and re-unite with her brother :( Poo on you haters.

I'm going to cry myself to sleep.
And I won't know until like Friday if they die or not.

[MuhollandDriver]

There is still the elegant Lois London to write about. Or Skids.

i can see it now...Lois London being injected...then running around a crowd with her sensible blouse and her dated hairdo...with her craptastic undefined powers out of control!

i mean that all as a compliment...and i am serious.

Prodigy55 and others....the reason for including these characters could be as simple as the authors miss writing them and want them utilized somewhere...neither needs to die..the story can still be effective...heck the deaths of Beautiful Dreamer and Fever Pitch has already made it a memorable one. That's why i hope an over-the-top death doesn't happen...it could dampen a great story.

[Come To Deathstrike]

No. You will not.

I love X-Force. My power will shine over yours. You cannot go "Novaya Havoc" on a book I like. Only on one I despise. Such as Uncanny X-Men.

The preview is hot. The Leper Queen is the all-star villain of 2009. And that blond chick is sex.

I am going to use A LOT OF BOLD.
Perhaps evenitalics.

[sneggz]

You had Your bus explosion, gunshots to the head, and so on. i know these writers are bloodbath happy...and they can continue to be so and try something different. Heck..for these two...having everyone come out intact, and believably so, would be an artistic risk.

This is exactly why I think C&C will throw us a curveball and have no one die

[verybored3]

leper queen said this one was for a future mission when talking about the blonde mutant lets say it is either boom-boom or husk i think the future mission must have something to do with cannonball who else gives a shit about either of them. if it is husk i will drop x-force like a bad habbit

it is like the genxers are cursed

the only way to survive gen x unscathed is to be a bitch

[SayOcean]

[QUOTE=MuhollandDriver;8598375].

i also get a bit tired of the youth team being so friggin vulnerable. If they want to seem like they are taking a real risk...throw a classic character in there.

QUOTE] Have you READ gen X.... talk to me when there is only two members of you fav team up and running and One of them is minorly featured in a satellite book

[worstblogever]

I haven't really read cable and deadpool, so correct me if I'm wrong
but didn't Cable provide Deadpool with a time/teleport device?

Eh, lord only knows. Daniel Way keeps changing his mind about what tech Wade has. All I know is, I'm squeeing over Kyle & Yost getting to write one-liners for Deadpool. That first one already has me jazzed.

Come to think of it, Vanisher used to be Boom Boom's pimp and she has a "mommy" thing going on with Domino, too.

A lot of history here, indeed. Meltdown's got a little bit of history with Warpath, as well, but the other two... yeah.

It's never cool to like Surge.

I've been saying that for months. Word. The Leper Queen won't deserve the whiny and drama queen antics of Nori the Nooch if she fails to kill her.

Crap! Surge!! Please don't kil her! (or Hellion!) Please!! :eek:

Speaking of which...

There is still the elegant Lois London to write about. Or Skids.

Surge shouldn't die in this issue. She should be sacrificied to she who kills hobos like Surge, and cats like Beast. LOIS LONDON! The Kali of felines and transients.

[Justin K.]

A lot of history here, indeed. Meltdown's got a little bit of history with Warpath, as well, but the other two... yeah.

and Domino. It's funny how all the speculation is flying around Hellion and Surge.

[Charybdis4]

Hopefully Surge kicks the bucket - she will look spectacular when she dies, all that crackling electricity arching around the room!

I really hope they don't kill Hellion. Get rid of his grap emo look & he is rather sexy.

Hopefully Boom Boom will survive, but please don't put her on the team. It's perfect as it is.

I can't believe this comic has made me love Laura - I couldn't stand her when she first appeared.

Bye bye Surge zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Justin K.]

EDIT: Wrong thread, ignore this post...

[Vanish]

I hope Yost get to write Nextwave Boom Boom oneliners. I am like...so ready.

[Justin K.]

I hope Yost get to write Nextwave Boom Boom oneliners. I am like...so ready.

Let's hope she survives first

[chickrockguitar]

I think Hellion will be saved by either Eli Bard or Selene. The interview did mention that the relationship between Selene and Julian would be touched upon soon.
Of course, he might be killed off, and that might be a reason for Selene and X-Force to team up against Bastion and Co. Her mutant abilities would be of great assistance against those who have been resurrected via the Transmode Virus. She could probably just reduce the tech to dust and they would become "inactive"Uhm.. No, they were talking about Wither - Kevin Ford. Not Julian aka Hellion.

Am I the only one who actually likes Hellion and Surge? :redface:No, me too! I'm a fan of both! Hellion more than Surge, but I've always liked her. She's one of my fave kids. They'd better not die! X-23 and Elixir will come to the rescue.

[Anna]

Hellion? Surge? Boom Boom?

I said it before i say it again. The X-men are truely the WORST at keeping track on their comrades and especialy students.
There is no other explanations how this could have happend, or how Nightcrawler in WATX could get captured by Mystique on their front lawn, or how dozens of mutants could get cruzified IN FRONT OF THEIR MANSION!!!
Does no one of the X-men ever look out of their windows?

It really doesn't wonder me anymore how they could NOT notice the existance of neverland, that hundred of mutants could just dissappear including some friends of them.
Also how the hell could a few half-brained extremist capture Surge and especialy Boom Boom who is a veteran already.

Anyway the X-possition wasn't very intresting for me. Also not much new except those previews.
As for a team keeping track of their members I give you Alpha Flight who had members in Neverland(Diamond Lil, Persuasion; placed there by other former members (Madison Jefferies, Wildchild, Aurora). Before that Jefferies had been kidnapp by the Zodiac, and Lil had been kidnapped and infected by some other guy.

:eek: It's Boom-Boom!



Stow it!

Crap I don't want anyone to die!

If you don't like characters dying I think you may have the wrong book.

I have never seen Boom Boom dress so trampily. I think it must be Husk. If the character were to "make like her code name" Boom Boom's the only one that fits.

Yes...:).....Beautiful Dreamer and Fever Pitch packed quite a wallup...moreso than i expected.....i think adding another New X-Man to the mix, whether You like them or not, runs the risk of being a bit too histrionic and over the top.

We keep running out of mutants. Unless that Messiah Baby starts doing the messiah-shake soon...we are going to run out of characters to write about.

i am not really interested in reading a book solely with Wolverine, Scott, Beast, and Emma.

My lack of enthusiasm for Uncanny being the perfect example.

Dreamer made quite an impact for a character who had been in the background for most of her career.

[Bronze Badger]

Through the face hole.

WOW......................

[Bronze Badger]

God, what terrible time-travel writing... "How much time do we have?" "Not much..."

Um, really? They have all the time in the world: once they know the point in time they're traveling to, they can depart for it whenever they feel like it. He'll always be there at that point in time. Find a different narrative reason for urgency... One that makes sense.

According to Beast, they are limited to 32 hours.....

[darknessatnoon]

If the character were to "make like her code name" Boom Boom's the only one that fits.


Thanks for your help, Anna.

[jarrod]

TAB! :frown:

I don't give a $#!% about Julian or Nori, but Tab CANNOT DIE!

[Omega Alpha]

Killing any Nextwave character is an unforgivable sin. Kyle & Yost should know better than messing with Ellis.

[RickyD410]

According to Beast, they are limited to 32 hours.....

Once they use the devices. But really, jsterron is right. If Beast knows that Cable is in Year X at Time Y, they could jump to that point now, or next week, and Cable will still be there.

Thats why Cable not returning doesnt make much sense. Whenever Cable gets the ability to return to the present, he can jump back to the moment Messiah CompleX ended. Unless he never gains the ability to come back to the present, and then it makes sense, because X-Force needed to get him and bring him back.

[darknessatnoon]

Killing any Nextwave character is an unforgivable sin. Kyle & Yost should know better than messing with Ellis.

Aaron Stack should get infected with the techno-organic virus and be forced into slavery to Bastion.

[CyclopsFan6894]

God, what terrible time-travel writing... "How much time do we have?" "Not much..."

Um, really? They have all the time in the world: once they know the point in time they're traveling to, they can depart for it whenever they feel like it. He'll always be there at that point in time. Find a different narrative reason for urgency... One that makes sense.

Actually they do not. Let me explain why:

In a previous issue, I believe it was Cable #6, Beast was working on a way to send little detection devices into the time stream. Think of these as radar, they don't know when Cable is, he's about 1000 years into the future, they've been checking every second ahead of them and have had no luck. It's like looking for one needle in every hay stack through out time. If he appears they have to act because if he jumps again, they loose him. They are reading these signals in a real time manner, it appears that the time devices Cyclops has given X-Force are linked to Cable's location, if he zaps away they lose the ability to send X-Force to him. It doesn't appear that they have the technology to travel anywhere in time, only to the exact time Cable is in, since the little detectors they sent out in Cable #6 are attuned to Cable's signature.

So you see, with these little signal devices tune into Cable's signature, they have to go right when they find him.

[Shyft]

i truly believe Time Travel is worse than Magic when it comes to faux-explanations. Sometimes its better to just run with it.

That cover with Archangel in the background is awesome. What ARE his metal wings these days? Metal Feather? bio-tech fibres? solid metal plates? bat-like wings?

I think a relationship between X-23 and Warren would be cool, what with Archangels wierdness about clones. Blow up Hellion just to be sure.

[RickyD410]

Actually they do not. Let me explain why:

In a previous issue, I believe it was Cable #6, Beast was working on a way to send little detection devices into the time stream. Think of these as radar, they don't know when Cable is, he's about 1000 years into the future, they've been checking every second ahead of them and have had no luck. It's like looking for one needle in every hay stack through out time. If he appears they have to act because if he jumps again, they loose him. They are reading these signals in a real time manner, it appears that the time devices Cyclops has given X-Force are linked to Cable's location, if he zaps away they lose the ability to send X-Force to him. It doesn't appear that they have the technology to travel anywhere in time, only to the exact time Cable is in, since the little detectors they sent out in Cable #6 are attuned to Cable's signature.

So you see, with these little signal devices tune into Cable's signature, they have to go right when they find him.

But if the devices are set to Cable's signature, why do they need to search the timestream anyway? Why dont they just jump right to where Cable is?

And I dont understand why they can't jump to just any time. Where is Forge? Why isnt he working with Beast on this one? Once they find Cable, he will always be at that one place at that particular time.

I mean, if I can time travel, and I jump to the future right now, it doesnt change the fact that I was once here, at 2:42 PM on 18 March 2009. And thats all that the X-Men need to find Cable. Then they jump to that particular point, and find out whats what.

Oh, and welcome to CBR by the way! :smile:

[timbox]

Beast’s technology is sub-par, this is not news. His technological capabilities are limited.

[Majinoaw]

Heel Persona:
If there is any book you can be proud to be a mark of, it's X-Force. I'm rather enjoying the storyline and the art. At first I thought this was going to be a book that was an ode to the 90s X-Force, but it isn't. It's a realistic look at the drastic measures mutants have to make post-decimation. So I'm totally a mark for X-Force. They could shove me crap and I would still buy it cuz I'm that into it.

[CyclopsFan6894]

But if the devices are set to Cable's signature, why do they need to search the timestream anyway? Why dont they just jump right to where Cable is?

Because they have to find him first, that's why they sent out those little balls into the time stream.

And I dont understand why they can't jump to just any time. Where is Forge? Why isnt he working with Beast on this one? Once they find Cable, he will always be at that one place at that particular time.

I mean, if I can time travel, and I jump to the future right now, it doesnt change the fact that I was once here, at 2:42 PM on 18 March 2009. And thats all that the X-Men need to find Cable. Then they jump to that particular point, and find out whats what.

Oh, and welcome to CBR by the way! :smile:

He will always be at the one place in time, correct, but that's not how it was said these things work. X-Force doesn't seem to be able to jump right to specific point in time, they jump to Cable in that specific point in time. No Cable, no link to that time. It appears that machine Beast has that is reading these signals is reading them in real time so if Cable is in a certain spot in time for one hour, they have one hour to get to that certain spot in time or else they will lose him.

As for Forge, I think he's off doing his own thing, Cyclops seems to want to keep as few people as possible in on this and if Beast says he can do it, I think Cyclops finds no reason to call Forge. Beast gave him a way into the future, it's not perfect, but Cyclops seems to be in a hurry, so he takes what he can get.

thank you for the welcome!

[ExodusCloak]

Heel Persona:
If there is any book you can be proud to be a mark of, it's X-Force. I'm rather enjoying the storyline and the art. At first I thought this was going to be a book that was an ode to the 90s X-Force, but it isn't. It's a realistic look at the drastic measures mutants have to make post-decimation. So I'm totally a mark for X-Force. They could shove me crap and I would still buy it cuz I'm that into it.

Is Typhoid your inspiration?

[worstblogever]

Beast’s technology is sub-par, this is not news. His technological capabilities are limited.

Damnable Hot Pockets.

[Shyft]

Does anyone think that as soon as this story-line and the tangle of Leyla Millar are sorted out, Marvel (especially the X-office) should try to stay away from Time travel for a while? Evey new story line confuses things that little bit more, in the big picture.

[ExodusCloak]

Does anyone think that as soon as this story-line and the tangle of Leyla Millar are sorted out, Marvel (especially the X-office) should try to stay away from Time travel for a while? Evey new story line confuses things that little bit more, in the big picture.

I hate time travel but they seem to be doing alright with it in Wolverine and The X-Men so...not sure any more.

[rwsmith]

God, what terrible time-travel writing... "How much time do we have?" "Not much..."

Um, really? They have all the time in the world: once they know the point in time they're traveling to, they can depart for it whenever they feel like it. He'll always be there at that point in time. Find a different narrative reason for urgency... One that makes sense.

Great point. I didn't even think about that. Huge plot-hole IMO. Regardless of whether he jumps again, he will have always been at that particular point in time...so there really is no urgency is there? :confused:

God, time travel sucks.

[CyclopsFan6894]

Great point. I didn't even think about that. Huge plot-hole IMO. Regardless of whether he jumps again, he will have always been at that particular point in time...so there really is no urgency is there? :confused:

God, time travel sucks.

Actually it's not a plot hole if you will read my post.

[rwsmith]

I read your post. It is still a plot hole. No matter what, once Beast's devices have identified Cable at a particular point in the timestream, he will always be at that point in time. Doesn't matter if the devices lose him when he jumps forward, as all you have to do is jump to the exact point in time where he was when you found him (i.e., before he jumped away).

[Omega Alpha]

And I dont understand why they can't jump to just any time. Where is Forge? Why isnt he working with Beast on this one?


That's probably related to what's happening in AXM, whatever that is.

[Shyft]

Actually it's not a plot hole if you will read my post.

But you say in your post Cable being there is in "real time", but there is no real-time in time-travel, surely. That is the whole point of it. If there was real time in time travel, you could never travel anywhere because on some time line any event ever has already happened.

And anyway, if Beast has sent out his trackers, they will always be at that point with Cable too.in 100 years time, Beast will still "just" have sent his trackers out, and they will "just have found Cable".

I dunno you could be right i guess. I just dont get how. I hate time-travel. They should stop it.

[rojash]

The people who are saying that once you determine where Cable is at any one point in time it becomes irrelevant since you can just transport to that point in time whenever you feel like, are 100% correct.

The only hiccup I could possibly see is Cable, you know, walking around, since then he won't be in that precise location for more than a second, but now I'm just being obtuse.

There is no drama in time travel.

[Anna]

Does anyone think that as soon as this story-line and the tangle of Leyla Millar are sorted out, Marvel (especially the X-office) should try to stay away from Time travel for a while? Evey new story line confuses things that little bit more, in the big picture.

Yes, but they won't.

[AcesX1X]

I read your post. It is still a plot hole. No matter what, once Beast's devices have identified Cable at a particular point in the timestream, he will always be at that point in time. Doesn't matter if the devices lose him when he jumps forward, as all you have to do is jump to the exact point in time where he was when you found him (i.e., before he jumped away).

how is this a difficult concept for you to understand?

beast does not have the mental capacity to make these little machines send people to specific times. they go to cable. if cable is not there, these machines are pointless.

[rwsmith]

In that case they should've gone to Forge.

[CyclopsFan6894]

I read your post. It is still a plot hole. No matter what, once Beast's devices have identified Cable at a particular point in the timestream, he will always be at that point in time. Doesn't matter if the devices lose him when he jumps forward, as all you have to do is jump to the exact point in time where he was when you found him (i.e., before he jumped away).

Except they the devices X-Force has don't work like that.

[timbox]

Forge is busy being insane and inventing freaky looking booby-traps.

[darknessatnoon]

Forge is busy being insane and inventing freaky looking booby-traps.

He is being sinister in Astonishing. Plus, he is brain damaged.

[CyclopsFan6894]

In that case they should've gone to Forge.

Again, in my post, I clear this up. Beast said he could do it. Beast is one of Cyclops most trusted friends, Forge is not. This mission he is sending X-Force on is suppose to be a secret. Plus Beast is there, at the mansion, Forge is not.

These devices seem to be able to travel in time, but since they relay information they operate in real time as well, it's why when Beast sent them into the time stream 6 issues ago, they didn't automatically detect Cable. This is why you can't just jump to a point in time and sit and wait. Could Forge have done something like that? Probably, but Forge sucks as a character so he doesnt' get written.

[timbox]

Cyclops is going to be pissed when Forge's team of Chinese X-Men beat his Astonishing team up.

[BGRED37]

It's on wikipedia that Tabitha bites it..... Leper Queen said choose her or choose Hellion and Surge. BUT there outside the United Nation so it wasn't that simple. Sad to see Boom Boom go though.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Forge is busy being insane and inventing freaky looking booby-traps.

Yes, but the man can churn out time travel devices without that nagging little 32 hour time limit nonsense.

[Pixie_Solanas]

how is this a difficult concept for you to understand?

beast does not have the mental capacity to make these little machines send people to specific times. they go to cable. if cable is not there, these machines are pointless.

or the paw dexterity. The man can barely wipe his arse without rubbing it on the Greymalkin carpet.

[rojash]

It's on wikipedia that Tabitha bites it..... Leper Queen said choose her or choose Hellion and Surge. BUT there outside the United Nation so it wasn't that simple. Sad to see Boom Boom go though.

Where does it say Spoilers in the thread title?

[streator]

good interview & preview pages.

if that's meltdown, i hope she doesn't bite it.

[timbox]

Not only do Forge’s time travel devices work properly, they can be cleverly disguised as miscellaneous body parts, should you happen to be missing something. They also have the capability for add-ons such as the tentacle-rape attachment.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Not only do Forge’s time travel devices work properly, they can be cleverly disguised as miscellaneous body parts, should you happen to be missing something. They also have the capability for add-ons such as the tentacle-rape attachment.

It's been awhile since a good ol' fashioned tentacle rape scene. Marvel, get off your asses.

[Omega Alpha]

In that case they should've gone to Forge.

But we don't know what's up with Forge in AXM. He maybe crazy, evil, or even dead at the end of the story, or just screwed things up too much.

[JValentine]

Kyle and Yost are simply awesome. Definately two of Marvel's best writers.

[jsterron]

how is this a difficult concept for you to understand?

beast does not have the mental capacity to make these little machines send people to specific times. they go to cable. if cable is not there, these machines are pointless.

But Cable is always at that particular point in time (or at any other point in time that he has/is/will be at.) In fact, how can these machines know which of the many points in the timestream Cable has visited to send people to?

The answer you apologists for this glaring plot gaffe would seem to offer up is: "whenever he is now." Except that is nonsensical: from the point of view of the present Cable is at once at all points in the future he has traveled to. It makes no sense to say that from the point of view of 2009, Cable is only going to be at a specific point in time (say May 1, 2973 23:12:10EST) for 32 more minutes. If his travels have taken him there, then there will always be a Cable at May 1, 2973 23:12:10EST (or whenever) to send people to.

Face it, it's a huge screw up.

[CyclopsFan6894]

But Cable is always at that particular point in time (or at any other point in time that he has/is/will be at.) In fact, how can these machines know which of the many points in the timestream Cable has visited to send people to?

The answer you apologists for this glaring plot gaffe would seem to offer up is: "whenever he is now." Except that is nonsensical: from the point of view of the present Cable is at once at all points in the future he has traveled to. It makes no sense to say that from the point of view of 2009, Cable is only going to be at a specific point in time (say May 1, 2973 23:12:10EST) for 32 more minutes. If his travels have taken him there, then there will always be a Cable at May 1, 2973 23:12:10EST (or whenever) to send people to.

Face it, it's a huge screw up.

You are wrong. The devices aren't like the time machines we read about in other fiction. The devices relay information from the future to the past, that happens in a real time manner, it isn't happening as one big chunk of information. It's streaming, like radar sort of. Because it's streaming, it happens in real time. Yes they could probably take a lot of time and create a time machine that sends to that specific point in time, but that's not what they are doing. Cyclops is in a hurry, he's getting impatient. The devices they sent out in Cable #6 act as beacons for the bracelets Beast created in X-Force #12, they aren't perfect. This really isn't that hard to understand.

[jsterron]

You are wrong. The devices aren't like the time machines we read about in other fiction. The devices relay information from the future to the past, that happens in a real time manner, it isn't happening as one big chunk of information. It's streaming, like radar sort of. Because it's streaming, it happens in real time. Yes they could probably take a lot of time and create a time machine that sends to that specific point in time, but that's not what they are doing. Cyclops is in a hurry, he's getting impatient. The devices they sent out in Cable #6 act as beacons for the bracelets Beast created in X-Force #12, they aren't perfect. This really isn't that hard to understand.

Um, there is no such thing as "real time." Just different frames of reference. This isn't from 'other fiction.' It's Relativity 101.

These gaping plot ho... err, theoretical cross-time transmitters transmit to the present. From that frame of reference, the signal pointing to Cable in 2973 will always be valid. Yes, from Cable's frame of reference, he will eventually leave 2973 but that is not only irrelevant but nonsensical to the present frame of reference.

Beast doesn't need to build a time machine that goes to 2973; his machines that can take them to Cable are enough. From the X-Men's present frame of reference, there will always be a Cable in 2973 for those machines to take them to.

'Streaming' 'realtime' those things make no sense once the signal is traveling through time. It only makes sense for a signal pinpointing someone in space. You are using spatial common sense rather than temporal common sense, it just doesn't apply.

Yost and Kyle's logic is so messed up and inconsistent that it's impossible to suspend disbelief. It's just plain sloppy.

[CyclopsFan6894]

Um, there is no such thing as "real time." Just different frames of reference. This isn't from 'other fiction.' It's Relativity 101.

These gaping plot ho... err, theoretical cross-time transmitters transmit to the present. From that frame of reference, the signal pointing to Cable in 2973 will always be valid. Yes, from Cable's frame of reference, he will eventually leave 2973 but that is not only irrelevant but nonsensical to the present frame of reference.

Beast doesn't need to build a time machine that goes to 2973; his machines that can take them to Cable are enough. From the X-Men's present frame of reference, there will always be a Cable in 2973 for those machines to take them to.

'Streaming' 'realtime' those things make no sense once the signal is traveling through time. It only makes sense for a signal traveling through space. You are using spatial common sense rather than temporal common sense, it just doesn't apply.

How is it confusing? The devices open up little holes in time to transmit the data, by doing that they link present day to the time they are in, they move then at the same speed, real time.

[jsterron]

How is it confusing? The devices open up little holes in time to transmit the data, by doing that they link present day to the time they are in, they move then at the same speed, real time.

That is the part that can't make sense. "Real time" 1999, 2973, 2099, 89252? When? It can't ever make sense: it's inconsistent physically.

[darknessatnoon]

Enough, NERDS!

Jesus, who cares?

Beast understands the science better than you do. If you think you can do better, invent your own time travel device.

[Anna]

Enough, NERDS!

Jesus, who cares?

Beast understands the science better than you do. If you think you can do better, invent your own time travel device.

Decaf baby.

[timbox]

Beast understands the science better than you do. If you think you can do better, invent your own time travel device.

This Beast lust has to stop.

[darknessatnoon]

Decaf baby.

You watch too much Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Get back to me when you're not paraphrasing ten year old Cordelia jokes.

[jester1436]

You watch too much Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Get back to me when you're not paraphrasing ten year old Cordelia jokes.

When I was in middle school, I overused "What's your childhood trauma?"

Oh Cordelia.

[SayOcean]

Cyclops is going to be pissed when Forge's team of Chinese X-Men beat his Astonishing team up.
i thought it was mildly racist that all of the astonishing team were so surprised there could be a chinese mutant team.......lol but im a loser anyway so...what do i know

UNCONFIRMED SPOILERS:
also For all the hate i have for her if Meltdown is the one to die...I think i may be pissed

[chickrockguitar]

When I was in middle school, I overused "What's your childhood trauma?"

Oh Cordelia.As a big Buffy fan: - LOL!! :biggrin:

[Shyft]

Enough, NERDS!

Jesus, who cares?

Beast understands the science better than you do. If you think you can do better, invent your own time travel device.

yeah NERDS! Do something cool, like post on an INTERNET FORUM ABOUT COMIC BOOKS.

God.

[darknessatnoon]

yeah NERDS! Do something cool, like post on an INTERNET FORUM ABOUT COMIC BOOKS.

God.

What is your childhood trauma?

[Oliverhannah]

Wow.. cant believe it's Boom!! Didnt recognise her!! :eek: I thought that woman is Scribe lol!! :biggrin: :rolleyes:

Look like Bling, Indra, Match, Loa and Trance are next target!!

[Anna]

You watch too much Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Get back to me when you're not paraphrasing ten year old Cordelia jokes.
Take a Midol too while you're at it.
Wasn't too much into Buffy. I preferred Angel.

[Shyft]

What is your childhood trauma?

So is using Buffy quotes "cool" now or not? Im losing track.

[Novaya Havoc]

Cease and desist all commentary, Shyft.

[Shyft]

Cease and desist all commentary, Shyft.

You seem to be under the impression that you are the Lord of the X-Forum. You aren't.

As to the issue, really enjoyed it, although it IS important not to think about the time-travel too much, because as with alot of X-time-travel, it is very very hard to make sense of. I wonder if in the coming issues we will see Hope's mutant abilities at all? That is something i am quite keen to see..

[Novaya Havoc]

You seem to be under the impression that you are the Lord of the X-Forum. You aren't.


You are correct. I am the High Priestess of the X-Forum, not the Lord.

[Shyft]

You are correct. I am the High Priestess of the X-Forum, not the Lord.

no, your not. You arent the anything of the X-Forum. You are just a poster, with the same level of authority as, well, me. So until you become mod of these boards, you telling me to do anything is amusing at best, quite sad (for you) at worst.

[darknessatnoon]

no, your not. You arent the anything of the X-Forum. You are just a poster, with the same level of authority as, well, me. So until you become mod of these boards, you telling me to do anything is amusing at best, quite sad (for you) at worst.

This is not a democracy. Stop acting like you are equal to Novaya.

[timbox]

You arent the anything of the X-Forum.

Even if Novaya Havoc did not have more authority than you, your statement is still false.

[AcesX1X]

what is even going on in here? you people are acting like children who've had too much sugar.

[Swashbuckler]

Heel Persona:

I am not a mark of Shyft

Give me more Sugar Bombz please!

[Majinoaw]

Heel Persona:
The marks have certainly come out today. Like roaches in an apartment when the lights are turned off. High priestess overlord... whatever... a mark is a mark is a mark... is a mark.Mark. Get it good.

[Pixie_Solanas]

You are correct. I am the High Priestess of the X-Forum, not the Lord.

And I slavishly worship at your boot, Priestley Priestess.

[Anna]

AH-HEM Does anyone have Young X-Men spoilers?

[ExodusCloak]

Newsarama Interview with Yost on Kingbreaker #4 beware a paragraph of spoilers:

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/030918-BSE-Kingbreaker04.html

[darknessatnoon]

AH-HEM Does anyone have Young X-Men spoilers?

Did Kyle and Yost write Young X-Men?

[ProfeZZor X]

Glob Herman needs to make a comeback...

[Peter F.]

Did Kyle and Yost write Young X-Men?

The series wouldn't have been cancelled after 12 issues if they had.

[chickrockguitar]

Did Kyle and Yost write Young X-Men?:eek: :eek: :eek: Are you joking?!

No they did not! They wrote NEW X-Men. If they'd have written Young X-Men, it would have been a damn site better book! And would have lasted more then 12 issues.

[timbox]

Read the question again, you two.

[darknessatnoon]

:eek: :eek: :eek: Are you joking?!

No they did not! They wrote NEW X-Men. If they'd have written Young X-Men, it would have been a damn site better book! And would have lasted more then 12 issues.

My point was that Anna was passive aggressively complaining about thread derailment and then asked for Young X-Men spoilers in a Kyle and Yost thread. Thanks for making me spell it out.

[Peter F.]

My point was that Anna was passive aggressively complaining about thread derailment and then asked for Young X-Men spoilers in a Kyle and Yost thread. Thanks for making me spell it out.

I wasn't asking you to spell it out. I was just commenting that Kyle and Yost are better than Guggenheim.

[darknessatnoon]

I wasn't asking you to spell it out. I was just commenting that Kyle and Yost are better than Guggenheim.

Anything I say in response to this will seem like an attack on Kyle and Yost rather than your immature comparison, so I will refrain from putting you in your place.

[Peter F.]

Anything I say in response to this will seem like an attack on Kyle and Yost rather than your immature comparison, so I will refrain from putting you in your place.

Yeah you're right, I really shouldn't have said that. I am being really immature.

I really need to grow up.

[Anna]

My point was that Anna was passive aggressively complaining about thread derailment and then asked for Young X-Men spoilers in a Kyle and Yost thread. Thanks for making me spell it out.

So does anyone have them?